Well I really hope yall got something out of this one! Links to all the plans are in the description. Here are the time stamps: An update video - ua-cam.com/video/PMcIJWPxC0w/v-deo.html 00:00 - Intro & Plan 00:45 - New Press Feet 02:57 - Disassembly 04:55 - Frame Mod & Adding Feet 06:46 - Motor & Pump Shelf 07:27 - New Pump Bracket 10:12 - Enlarging Pin Holes 13:57 - Traveling Guide Mod 14:38 - Die Holders & Dies 18:29 - Slag Catcher 19:21 - Wiring Switch 21:28 - Hydraulic Assembly 28:03 - Start Up & Traveling Block Connect 29:32 - Testing, Front Die Tabs, & Outro
@@futuresonex Thanks for your subscription! The cylinder will do around 30 tons.... I can't say what the system is rated for since it's a custom build and not "rated...." Build at your own risk
@@RedBeardOps Your DePressing project turned out good. Look into the JIC style fittings for future projects they are a whole lot easier to work with than NPT threads.
There is a big difference in HP between an internal combustion engine, and an electric motor. I converted my gas powered log splitter to electric(to use it indoors), and educated myself on this subject pretty well. As a general rule you can use an electric motor with half the HP of gas… I used a 2hp 1750rpm electric motor to replace my 6hp gas and am actually still well within rated range requirements by the pump. Reason being is the torque rating on the electric motor is far greater, and it’s instantaneous! Nice job on the press, I’m building myself one also!
Yeah I went with a 3hp 3500rpm motor and Geeze it’s got way motor power than the gas 6hp and is extremely fast. I put a larger diameter ram on it and it slowed it down just a little.
Yes. You can look up online calculaters that convert hydraulic, electric motor and gasoline engines. Once a fuel engine starts bogging down it loses power instantly. An electric motor can twist even at a stall condition.
Also, induction electric motors will happily draw more amperage under load to output more power than what it's rated for. It's important, however, to understand that you can't run it this way continuously or you'll burn it up. The "rated" power is the output it will run at continuously without overheating. In applications where the motor is stressed intermittently, such as a press, it will work fine. The reason they will make more power has to do with how an induction motor works. With no load, the system experiences a high feedback in the system. This serves to lessen amperage draw in order to run at the rated RPM. Induction motors are "synchronous" in nature, meaning they want to run at the RPM it was designed. When you apply a load, the RPM's drop. This is known as "slip". Slip results in lessening the system feed back, thus increasing amperage draw. More amps means more power. The motor is trying to get back to its rated RPM. You can think of the feedback and slip as a "cruise control" of sorts. Just like when you have cruise turned on in your car, start up a hill, and more gas is applied by the control to maintain the same speed. Motors used in equipment that have to overcome a load at startup typically have a capacitor circuit ("capacitor start") to provide an extra jolt of power to allow it to get going under load, otherwise it might not be able to start.
Yessir, that was fantastic! I got hurt very badly in a work injury 2 years ago. Sitting here feeling sorry for myself after unsuccessful another surgery last week trying to figure out how I was going to be able to get back into my shop again. Thank you Red Beard for giving me my desire to want to try to get back out into my shop. Hells yes!!!
Another excellent video. Thank you!! The thing about pressure gauges most people don't realize is that you never want a gauge that maxed out at the max pressure you are working at. Gauges work by bending an arm inside the gauge. The more it has to flex the more it will wear out the gauge plus a small amount of error in the reading comes into play, the more it has to flex, the greater the error will become over time. At most you want your max working pressure to be in the middle of the scale for the gauge you are using.
I built a press just like this one, only a little beefier. 6" HSS... I put it on casters to move it around my garage. Love it. Covid lockdowns kept me from working... So I built a forge, press and 2x72. Only thing I wanna change on the press is a 5" cylinder. only one available was a 4". It's fast and works great.
I have been watching your forge press videos the past few days, absorbing your experiences, as I, too, am designing my own press. This evening I was searching on information about cylinders, and happened upon a thread on bladeforums. I read a bunch of the posts, and at one point I looked at the names of the posters. Lo, and behold, the OP was none other than RBO himself, getting learned up on building a press. Good stuff.
This is a fantastic video. The filming angles were perfect, your commentary was extremely clear and to the point. Your explanation was easy to follow and understand. The fact that you went the extra few miles and added a parts list and a list of places to get the needed parts from, is going the extra few miles. Thank you for putting together and posting this video. It is as interesting as it is educational. I look forward to your next build. Outstanding work. Stay safe and may God bless you and yours.
Posted 3 hrs and already got 150 likes and over a 1,000 views. James, you do good work, not only on video editing but your craftsmanship is outstanding. Thanks for taking the time.
Well done James! Heavy duty and a lot of precision in that baby. I built mine 3 years ago and it works great. You'll love using it I'm sure. Good luck! Can't wait to see you using it.
I just built a small press. Just an FYI all of the builders and makers of hydraulic suggest and build their presses with the tank above the pump to prevent starving pump and any cavitation. Great build!!
Great to see you getting your press back into use, I’m looking forward to seeing some results when you get it ironed out ( no pun intended) Like everything you build or make you present really well, good communication and detailed info. I’ll see you on the flip side from lockdown in Melbourne Australia. Regards and stay safe Rex
I’ve been bedridden for about a week with pretty bad back injury. Finally healed up and I got sick now I’m sitting at home with 102° fever and I can’t sleep. Saw this video and it knocked me out right away. To the point that every time I wake up from my baby power naps I would restart the video because I wanted to see your progress with this. Awesome job looks great. Just for me please round out those corners on your rounding dies
Great job! One thing you can do when drilling large holesaw holes is to drill a 1/4” hole thru the part, on the circumference. This lets the chips drop out and the saw won’t re grind the metal. Hole saws have no chip clearance. Your press is excellent!
I too had issues drilling large holes in 1inch plate. After drilling 3 of the 13 holes needed, I decided to scratch the plate with the hole saw, then drilling a few 3/16" holes around the perimeter of the intended hole diameter. Drilling the 4 smaller holes took about 5 min, but saved me 30 min per large hole. The smaller holes allowed a place for the fine shavings to fall through, instead of creating a slurry of oil and fine ground metal particles.
I was told when I built my press 20-something years ago that the slider should be tight enough to scrape the mill scale off the uprights. Never had a problem since.
@@RedBeardOps I use a Barnes-type 2 stage coupled onto a 5hp electric motor. Gets up to around 12 tons in the first stage, about 28 tons second stage, 5" dia. cylinder.
James, quick question.... I'm using your exact setup so I know I get it right, however some of the links for the motor and pump don't seem to work anymore, or the part is unavailable.... what direction should the pump vs the motor rotate? Clockwise for the pump and CCW for the motor I'm assuming? Thank you
funny thing about that trapped pressure. I removed the plugs on the bench and there was no pressure reinstalled the plugs and put the cylinder on the frame and removed the plugs and they popped just like the did in your video. this build has taken a long time but i am almost done just waiting on one part and then to make the dies. I'll send you a pic on instagram when I finish.
@@RedBeardOps did you have to do any adjustments to the pump or control valve. I am only getting about 1000 -1200 psi on the gauge and then it looses all power. I triple checked and everything is connected properly but it is still not giving me much compression it had trouble deforming a 1x2 piece of pine. any suggestions?
@@benjamineangeloni2335 On the control valve there is a cover that is covering an adjustment screw. It's a large allen head. This adjustment allows you to regulate the max PSI
I figured you had more to do with this press than merely the occasional pressing bearings in and out and such. Because that was a lot of work and parts for the occasional press set up. Thumbs Up!
Awesome stuff! The combo dyes looks great! Also... the timelapse of you becoming He-Man to move that thing across your shop was pretty good for my mental health.
Yet another great shop project! I really enjoy how you own every part of the build, warts and all….because it helps viewers see that we all have challenges and can overcome them. This is one project I would love to take on, but am too short for time left to do it. So, I’m especially happy for your successful completion. Go RBO!
Holy smokes what a beast of a press! That's very well made! This might be a great idea for my shed. I always wanted a power hammer but my neighbors would kill me. This might be a realistic alternative.
@@RedBeardOps I'd make a way smaller version just for forging steel. something that can sit on my workbench, not on the floor, if that's even possible. Thank you so much for the idea. Keep up the good work!
That's awesome man, if things go well this year, I'll be building it. I mean in a perfect world we all be able to afford a c.i.w. press, but this is great too
Thank you! I've been contemplating on ideas about what and how I was going to fabricate a press, and this has definitely helped. Love the videos, and keep up the great work!
Thank you for this video, and the very detailed comments and instructions. I have been himhawing around because of my hydraulics ignorance, and haven't finished mine. This helps give me encouragement to get it completed. Great job!
Man that was a fabulous video! I had seen hydraulics being used but it looked like it might be beyond my reach. Not so! And I have a good enough forehead to install any pin in any machine. Great job!
30 amps at 220 volts (your switch) will max out at just under 9 hp, so even a 5 hp motor will play nice with your antique switch, lol. As for tank capacity in gallons, a quite surprising just under 7 1/2 gallons fits in a cubic foot, so a 10 gallon tank will be roughly a puny looking 12x12x18 inches (or 14 inch cube). Great build!
@RedBeardOps just a little payback to thank you for the rebuild vid! If you do run into a need to level the press, you could just use bolts and 2 nuts at each corner (1 nut above and below each bolt down tab), and dial her in perfectly plumb. Btw, totally agree with your choice to put you die "pinch point" right around hip/navel height, it's a great low effort working height
I've been surfing UA-cam for probably about a week with the search phrase ( how to make a press for foraging ) after seeing this video your presses top 5 so far and I'm confident no matter how many more I watch it won't go lower than top 5. May become my top 1🤘😁Thanks for sharing it and another thing I took away from this experience.. I never seen combo dies 😳 or even thought of that 🤔. This video like was the key to unlock my creativity to take this further ‼️ thank you so much ‼️
It is always really inspiring to see someone build things like this with some clever use of whatever tools they have available. It was a well structured and detailed video, good job! I also plan on building a big forging press in the near future
thanks for all the work and lessons learned, you have helped me tremendously, Thank you for sharing as well, you did not have to and I appreciate it. I did not find the parts list, I am interested in the hydraulic pump and electric motor you use. Thanks again
Hey Tony, the parts are in my video description (depending on your device, this can bee in different places under the video.). Glad it helped! Be safe with your build!
I would like to turn my log splitter turned press vertically instead of horizontal and ankle high, probably going to buy a shorter cylinder, but, evidently, to get it right and tight, i need a few more things, like lots more practice stick welding, something to make machine type tolerances, and probably something that cuts better than a cut-off wheel in a chop saw, skil saw, or 4" hand grinder. Am also thinking quick disconnect hoses for being able to use the original cylinder for a hoist.
Awesome guide and build. Only concern is the guidance. How much space do you have between the frame and moving block? Have you experienced any problems when pressing off-center? Anything you would build different one year later?
Hey Kurt, The C-channel helps keep everything tight. When I originally welded the traveling block together (back in like 2006); I clamped the C-channel to the guide rails and welded in place. So it's pretty tight. I think an improvement would be to increase the length (height) of these C-channels extending up even to the height past the cylinder. All that being said, this thing has been working great for me. I bet there is also an improved solution with bronze wear plates as well (adjustable with set screws)... and replaceable.
You also could be getting higher pressure flow due to the size of your fittings and hoses that makes a big difference in the output and flow rate of your hydraulic pump also, the reason why you had trapped pressure is from the test point when they test them they test them under high load and then Them I work with hydraulic cylinders all day every day on heavy equipment and it’s the same thing
Loved your build and the video. Your instruction was excellent. I do need to make one comment about your rational regarding the motor and pump bases and not wanting to use shims. As a millwright and a certified vibration analyst I've seen hundreds of motor bearing failures over the years primarily due to motor shaft misalignment. The motor bearing is the weak link because of the close running tolerances. My key point here is that standard practice is that you need shims under the motor or pump feet so that you can have the ability to get the best shaft alignment possible. So for this reason I don't think intentionally eliminating shims is the best practice. Loved your build and coincidentally I just had a forge given to me so this press just became the winter project. Bruce
Just a tip on the cold saw...don't cut anything of any thickness, as the blades don't last anytime at all. I went the cold saw after burning out 6 Abrasive drop-saws, and one of those type saws!
Great work, wonderful project and thanks for showing this off, Red!:) To contacts and grinding them: Plug contacts for the mains connection in particular have a protective coating, which is usually applied galvanically. This guarantees high mechanical strength(like abrasion resistance and impact resistance) with simultaneous protection against corrosion, which guarantees low contact resistance. This is particularly important for the protective conductor (residual current tripping, personal protection). So grinding the contacts was the worst thing you can do (In electrician circles: A crime worse than murder! Hehehe). Use either contact spray that is approved for electrical contacts and often also contains a rust remover and maybe polish very gently ... So it's better to use a new plug. It's better for life and limb :)
Just a few notes on the hydraulics (maybe you addressed them and i missed it), you don't need thread sealant on basically any threads that aren't tapered. Usually, straight threads aren't what seals in the oil. If they don't have an o-ring, they'll usually seal with a metal cone in the middle. Also, be very careful using any black iron pipe and fittings unless you know they're rated for the pressures you're using.
Damn, every thing you do screams MERICA! Solid build, you explain everything, and you throw in diagrams for those of use not versed in hydraulics. I appreciate you realize we are not all at your level, and you make it easy to understand instead of talking down to us. That is mentorship vice lecturing. Again, thank you.
Thank you greatly sir! Glad you enjoyed the video! I enjoy the process of going though a project and trying to boil it down to key points and take away... presenting the info helps me learn it better for sure. Have a great Sunday!
HEY! You have the best video on UA-cam! I hope in the future after the shop is up, to build this press. And to become a patron! But for now, subscribed and saved the video. Thank you for putting together all these details. You did just an amazing job videoing the process. I think that you are a film maker! Thank you for the plans! It so nice to have them just to have something to think about a few times a week, until the build starts. )))
Nice build! I would love to do something like this one day. I'm new to this type of work but I'm starting out building one of Brian Houses 2x72 grinders. It's so much fun building your own tools!
I want to start out by saying thank you very much for not only taking the time to do this but for also sharing it with all of us for free. I really appreciate you and your channel. I am following along with building my own one of these and I have watched your video many times but I do not see where you use the Hose Barb Fitting. Can you tell me where it is that I need it and what size I need to get it? Your link just sends me to the page where I have 4 options. Again thank you for what you have done here, it's been a huge help!
@@RedBeardOps I'm in the final phase of putting together my press. I figured out what the barbed fitting is for. It's for the red Suction Hose (3/4''). I assume we don't see you using it in your video because it was already put on in your past build. So if anyone in the future needs to know what one to order it is the 3/4 one if they order the 3/4 red suction hose. I wonder why you have two red suction hoses in your parts used list. You only use the 3/4 one in your video. I ordered both of them thinking that everything on your list I needed but it seems the 1" red hose is not needed. Also, I needed three 3/4'' x 3/4'' 90 Swivel. In your parts list you only have two listed. It might be helpful for future users to know that. Thanks again for doing this. I am almost done with my press thanks to your video.
@@RedBeardOps I have everything done except the forging dies. I was wondering what material did you make your dies from? Also, did you ever make a foot pedal for this? I have been trying to think of a way to make one for it and I am not sure how to do it. The first time I turned my press on I was just like you in your video. I was standing as far back as I could and trying to use the press. Thanks again for doing this and also for answering my questions.
@@sankojin I just used mild steel, they've been holding up decent. You can for sure go more extreme here if wanted. I haven't made the foot pedal yet... on the list... Glad you're getting your press up and running! Good luck with the rest of your build!
Really enjoyed this video and parts list. I really appreciate it and it will definitely be helpful seeing as im educating myself and getting ready to try a build
Thanks for the info sir! The old 5 gal tank was pretty nasty too.... so I also wanted to replace it for that reason. I'm sure you're right though. Especially since this thing doesn't run for hours on end.
Awesome build… but those are just jic fittings, about as standard as it gets in hydraulics, the hoses can also be made at any hydraulic shop, most tractor/farm stores also have various lengths in stock for anyone looking to build a setup like this.
It would be great to see “real time” video of this press drawing out. It’s hard to get an idea of what the performance would be like if the video is sped up. It’s hard to find any videos of a press being used online without the video sped up….. This is a great build, great improvements,
I am only half way through this video but the work and narration so far is enough to know this is a channel that should be subbed and followed. SUBBED> Thanks for the upload.
Great video. Thanks for all the effort you put into making us understand. One question - the valve specify in your description isn't available on Amazon. Are you aware of another one on amazon that would do the same thing?
Hey Tim, I know a few people have had issue with the valve. I'm fairly sure they have to be modified/bypassed to move the cylinder in both directions (this is a standard feature on the prince valuve but isn't intuitive). I'd advise contacting prince and asking them what model number you should order for your application. The one I bought was from over 10 years ago.
How small of square tubing could this press be made? 2" 3" thick wall square tubing? I'm wanting to make one on rollers similar to coal iron works 12 ton. Very good video one your build. Thanks for sharing the video and plans.
Hey Kent, without running very detailed calculations I don't know for sure. I know the 1/4'' thick 4'' is working very well. I bet you could go smaller on a 12 ton, but once again, I really don't know.
Great video. After a couple of years of operation how is it holding up? Is there force, do you want or need more, is the frame holding up? Keep up the videos, watch them a lot :)
So far so good! It's holding up. Force is great for what I'm doing, no issues. Frame is still solid. Some slight galling where the guides meet the frame and rub. Can't complain here!
Thank you for sharing this video, it's very helpful. I have one question: I see that the pump's datasheet recommends the pump to be installed at same level (or below) vs. the tank, in order to help with suction. I see that you choose a different approach, i.e. the pump is installed above the tank. Did you have any issue with this setup? Or, do you need any special care or procedure? Thank you!
Really appreciate the detail! I just built a press based off of your design and all is well so far. Quick question: why can't I get the pressure gauge to register any psi while running? I noticed your gauge wasn't moving either (29:49). What am I missing? Thanks again!
Does your gauge move when actually pressing? With resistance? When It's just circulating there really shouldn't be much PSI - From what I understand. Be safe my friend! These things are dangerous
@@RedBeardOps Yeah dude, I'm a moron. Pressure shows when I'm actually putting pressure on something (who'd a thunk it?). Thanks for the reply and all of your videos!!
Well I really hope yall got something out of this one! Links to all the plans are in the description. Here are the time stamps:
An update video - ua-cam.com/video/PMcIJWPxC0w/v-deo.html
00:00 - Intro & Plan
00:45 - New Press Feet
02:57 - Disassembly
04:55 - Frame Mod & Adding Feet
06:46 - Motor & Pump Shelf
07:27 - New Pump Bracket
10:12 - Enlarging Pin Holes
13:57 - Traveling Guide Mod
14:38 - Die Holders & Dies
18:29 - Slag Catcher
19:21 - Wiring Switch
21:28 - Hydraulic Assembly
28:03 - Start Up & Traveling Block Connect
29:32 - Testing, Front Die Tabs, & Outro
Very nice, new subscriber! So about how many tons would this press be rated for roughly?
@@futuresonex Thanks for your subscription! The cylinder will do around 30 tons.... I can't say what the system is rated for since it's a custom build and not "rated...." Build at your own risk
@@RedBeardOps Your DePressing project turned out good. Look into the JIC style fittings for future projects they are a whole lot easier to work with than NPT threads.
Thank you so much for posting this ‼️
@@futuresonex getting ready to say the same thing ‼️
There is a big difference in HP between an internal combustion engine, and an electric motor. I converted my gas powered log splitter to electric(to use it indoors), and educated myself on this subject pretty well. As a general rule you can use an electric motor with half the HP of gas… I used a 2hp 1750rpm electric motor to replace my 6hp gas and am actually still well within rated range requirements by the pump. Reason being is the torque rating on the electric motor is far greater, and it’s instantaneous! Nice job on the press, I’m building myself one also!
Very good to know! Good luck with your build Jeremy!
@@RedBeardOps thanks!
Yeah I went with a 3hp 3500rpm motor and Geeze it’s got way motor power than the gas 6hp and is extremely fast. I put a larger diameter ram on it and it slowed it down just a little.
Yes. You can look up online calculaters that convert hydraulic, electric motor and gasoline engines.
Once a fuel engine starts bogging down it loses power instantly. An electric motor can twist even at a stall condition.
Also, induction electric motors will happily draw more amperage under load to output more power than what it's rated for. It's important, however, to understand that you can't run it this way continuously or you'll burn it up. The "rated" power is the output it will run at continuously without overheating. In applications where the motor is stressed intermittently, such as a press, it will work fine.
The reason they will make more power has to do with how an induction motor works. With no load, the system experiences a high feedback in the system. This serves to lessen amperage draw in order to run at the rated RPM. Induction motors are "synchronous" in nature, meaning they want to run at the RPM it was designed. When you apply a load, the RPM's drop. This is known as "slip". Slip results in lessening the system feed back, thus increasing amperage draw. More amps means more power. The motor is trying to get back to its rated RPM. You can think of the feedback and slip as a "cruise control" of sorts. Just like when you have cruise turned on in your car, start up a hill, and more gas is applied by the control to maintain the same speed.
Motors used in equipment that have to overcome a load at startup typically have a capacitor circuit ("capacitor start") to provide an extra jolt of power to allow it to get going under load, otherwise it might not be able to start.
Yessir, that was fantastic!
I got hurt very badly in a work injury 2 years ago. Sitting here feeling sorry for myself after unsuccessful another surgery last week trying to figure out how I was going to be able to get back into my shop again. Thank you Red Beard for giving me my desire to want to try to get back out into my shop. Hells yes!!!
Heck yeah Brady! Glad it helped!
Another excellent video. Thank you!!
The thing about pressure gauges most people don't realize is that you never want a gauge that maxed out at the max pressure you are working at. Gauges work by bending an arm inside the gauge. The more it has to flex the more it will wear out the gauge plus a small amount of error in the reading comes into play, the more it has to flex, the greater the error will become over time. At most you want your max working pressure to be in the middle of the scale for the gauge you are using.
I built a press just like this one, only a little beefier. 6" HSS... I put it on casters to move it around my garage. Love it. Covid lockdowns kept me from working... So I built a forge, press and 2x72. Only thing I wanna change on the press is a 5" cylinder. only one available was a 4". It's fast and works great.
Right on! It's nice having one of these in the shop for sure! I ended up putting mine on casters as well. Cheers man!
Great job, bro. I’m impressed at your high quality output with no industrial sized tools. Props.
Thank you sir!
I have been watching your forge press videos the past few days, absorbing your experiences, as I, too, am designing my own press.
This evening I was searching on information about cylinders, and happened upon a thread on bladeforums. I read a bunch of the posts, and at one point I looked at the names of the posters. Lo, and behold, the OP was none other than RBO himself, getting learned up on building a press. Good stuff.
Bladefourms is excellent! If you go far enough back I have some 2006ish threads on building this press the first time!
This is a fantastic video. The filming angles were perfect, your commentary was extremely clear and to the point. Your explanation was easy to follow and understand. The fact that you went the extra few miles and added a parts list and a list of places to get the needed parts from, is going the extra few miles. Thank you for putting together and posting this video. It is as interesting as it is educational. I look forward to your next build. Outstanding work. Stay safe and may God bless you and yours.
Wow, thanks for the comment! Cheers sir! Have a great 4th of July!
Posted 3 hrs and already got 150 likes and over a 1,000 views. James, you do good work, not only on video editing but your craftsmanship is outstanding. Thanks for taking the time.
Thank you greatly sir! And thanks for the help on bladeforums. With projects like these having a solid group of men as a sounding board really helps.
Well done James! Heavy duty and a lot of precision in that baby. I built mine 3 years ago and it works great. You'll love using it I'm sure. Good luck! Can't wait to see you using it.
Thank you greatly sir! I'm excited to start making some pattern welded steel over here! Cheers!
I just built a small press. Just an FYI all of the builders and makers of hydraulic suggest and build their presses with the tank above the pump to prevent starving pump and any cavitation. Great build!!
Thanks Stephen, and good point!
Great to see you getting your press back into use, I’m looking forward to seeing some results when you get it ironed out ( no pun intended)
Like everything you build or make you present really well, good communication and detailed info. I’ll see you on the flip side from lockdown in Melbourne Australia. Regards and stay safe
Rex
Heck yeah Rex, thank you! Sorry to hear about he lockdown. Cheers
I’ve been bedridden for about a week with pretty bad back injury. Finally healed up and I got sick now I’m sitting at home with 102° fever and I can’t sleep. Saw this video and it knocked me out right away. To the point that every time I wake up from my baby power naps I would restart the video because I wanted to see your progress with this. Awesome job looks great. Just for me please round out those corners on your rounding dies
Thanks Christopher! I did end up doing that. Cheers sir
Great job! One thing you can do when drilling large holesaw holes is to drill a 1/4” hole thru the part, on the circumference. This lets the chips drop out and the saw won’t re grind the metal. Hole saws have no chip clearance. Your press is excellent!
Thanks for the info!
I too had issues drilling large holes in 1inch plate. After drilling 3 of the 13 holes needed, I decided to scratch the plate with the hole saw, then drilling a few 3/16" holes around the perimeter of the intended hole diameter. Drilling the 4 smaller holes took about 5 min, but saved me 30 min per large hole. The smaller holes allowed a place for the fine shavings to fall through, instead of creating a slurry of oil and fine ground metal particles.
Veery good idea sir!
I was told when I built my press 20-something years ago that the slider should be tight enough to scrape the mill scale off the uprights. Never had a problem since.
Nice! Cheers sir
@@RedBeardOps I use a Barnes-type 2 stage coupled onto a 5hp electric motor. Gets up to around 12 tons in the first stage, about 28 tons second stage, 5" dia. cylinder.
Workshop and gym combined you are a man with a refined taste.
Thank you greatly! This is obviously an accurate statement. 🙌
amazing... just amazing...as an absorber of knowledge yet able to do smithing, this was a huge win in how i can go about setting up equipment
Cheers sir! Glad you liked it
James, quick question.... I'm using your exact setup so I know I get it right, however some of the links for the motor and pump don't seem to work anymore, or the part is unavailable.... what direction should the pump vs the motor rotate? Clockwise for the pump and CCW for the motor I'm assuming? Thank you
I had to go back and watch myself. Looking at 20:55 it appears the motor turns CCW and the pump shaft turns CW. So you're right!
@@RedBeardOps omg. Good eyes!! As many times as I’ve watched this video, I actually missed that. Thank you!
@@SwitchbackXThunter Hahahaha, I knew it was in there somewhere! I have the advantage of making the video ;)
funny thing about that trapped pressure. I removed the plugs on the bench and there was no pressure reinstalled the plugs and put the cylinder on the frame and removed the plugs and they popped just like the did in your video. this build has taken a long time but i am almost done just waiting on one part and then to make the dies. I'll send you a pic on instagram when I finish.
Guess that's hydrostatic head for you! Lol. Be safe man. Cheers
@@RedBeardOps how much of the extension of the ram did you leave at point where the dies come together?
@@benjamineangeloni2335 Are you asking what the actual total stroke is from wide open to dies touching? If I remember right it's around 7.5''
@@RedBeardOps did you have to do any adjustments to the pump or control valve. I am only getting about 1000 -1200 psi on the gauge and then it looses all power. I triple checked and everything is connected properly but it is still not giving me much compression it had trouble deforming a 1x2 piece of pine. any suggestions?
@@benjamineangeloni2335 On the control valve there is a cover that is covering an adjustment screw. It's a large allen head. This adjustment allows you to regulate the max PSI
I figured you had more to do with this press than merely the occasional pressing bearings in and out and such. Because that was a lot of work and parts for the occasional press set up. Thumbs Up!
You are correct! I'll be using this press for making pattern welded steel and general knife making! CHeers
You came a long way from the first build! Congratz!
Thank you!
Awesome stuff! The combo dyes looks great! Also... the timelapse of you becoming He-Man to move that thing across your shop was pretty good for my mental health.
LOL, cheers Cameron!
This is the most detailed forging press build video I've seen. This video helped me a lot. thank you 🍻
I'm glad you liked it HANS! Cheers man!
Thank you!!!! You put an extreme amount of work into this.
You're very welcome!
Very well documented and put together. I look forward to seeing some Damascus soon. Thanks for the video!
Glad you enjoyed it! Cheers Shawn
Yet another great shop project!
I really enjoy how you own every part of the build, warts and all….because it helps viewers see that we all have challenges and can overcome them. This is one project I would love to take on, but am too short for time left to do it. So, I’m especially happy for your successful completion. Go RBO!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Holy smokes what a beast of a press! That's very well made! This might be a great idea for my shed. I always wanted a power hammer but my neighbors would kill me. This might be a realistic alternative.
It might be! It is still pretty loud... but not too bad
@@RedBeardOps I'd make a way smaller version just for forging steel. something that can sit on my workbench, not on the floor, if that's even possible. Thank you so much for the idea. Keep up the good work!
That's awesome man, if things go well this year, I'll be building it. I mean in a perfect world we all be able to afford a c.i.w. press, but this is great too
My Blacksmith grandfather would have loved your press.
I really liked the combo-dies.
Glad to hear it! Thank you Howard!
Thank you! I've been contemplating on ideas about what and how I was going to fabricate a press, and this has definitely helped. Love the videos, and keep up the great work!
Glad it was helpful!
....glad this showed up in recommendations,, i really have a urge for something of this nature, even if only to craft a few items a year with.
Thank you for this video, and the very detailed comments and instructions. I have been himhawing around because of my hydraulics ignorance, and haven't finished mine. This helps give me encouragement to get it completed. Great job!
Good luck sir!
Man that was a fabulous video! I had seen hydraulics being used but it looked like it might be beyond my reach. Not so! And I have a good enough forehead to install any pin in any machine. Great job!
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for the comment Mark
30 amps at 220 volts (your switch) will max out at just under 9 hp, so even a 5 hp motor will play nice with your antique switch, lol. As for tank capacity in gallons, a quite surprising just under 7 1/2 gallons fits in a cubic foot, so a 10 gallon tank will be roughly a puny looking 12x12x18 inches (or 14 inch cube). Great build!
Thanks for the info!
@RedBeardOps just a little payback to thank you for the rebuild vid! If you do run into a need to level the press, you could just use bolts and 2 nuts at each corner (1 nut above and below each bolt down tab), and dial her in perfectly plumb. Btw, totally agree with your choice to put you die "pinch point" right around hip/navel height, it's a great low effort working height
Definitely on my list of "to build items" great clean build 👍
Awesome! Thank you Rodney! Glad you enjoyed it. Good luck with your build!
I've been surfing UA-cam for probably about a week with the search phrase ( how to make a press for foraging ) after seeing this video your presses top 5 so far and I'm confident no matter how many more I watch it won't go lower than top 5. May become my top 1🤘😁Thanks for sharing it and another thing I took away from this experience.. I never seen combo dies 😳 or even thought of that 🤔.
This video like was the key to unlock my creativity to take this further ‼️ thank you so much ‼️
Good luck with your build! Be safe out there
That IS a really nice weld. Bravo.
THanks!
A half hour long video to start my knifeday? Yes please!
Cheers sir! Glad you liked it!
Wow! Great build!! Well done mate and thanks for the plans
Glad you like it! Cheers Ronny!
It is always really inspiring to see someone build things like this with some clever use of whatever tools they have available. It was a well structured and detailed video, good job! I also plan on building a big forging press in the near future
Thank you very much! Glad you enjoyed the build!
You blow my mind with your skills good job mate.
Thank you sir!
Good upgrade 👍Hydraulic fittings usually use tapers or dowty washers to seal. The tape can leak under the high hydraulic pressure.
Congratulations on the job. May I know the characteristics of the pump and the piston? Thank you
Hey Carlo, I put some links in the video's description. Cheers
You sir, are an absolute gem for what you share. I really appreciate it 🙏
Glad you're enjoying the videos! Be safe with your builds.
That chop saw is a beast....
Darn right it is! Cheers man
thanks for all the work and lessons learned, you have helped me tremendously, Thank you for sharing as well, you did not have to and I appreciate it. I did not find the parts list, I am interested in the hydraulic pump and electric motor you use. Thanks again
Hey Tony, the parts are in my video description (depending on your device, this can bee in different places under the video.). Glad it helped! Be safe with your build!
I would like to turn my log splitter turned press vertically instead of horizontal and ankle high, probably going to buy a shorter cylinder, but, evidently, to get it right and tight, i need a few more things, like lots more practice stick welding, something to make machine type tolerances, and probably something that cuts better than a cut-off wheel in a chop saw, skil saw, or 4" hand grinder.
Am also thinking quick disconnect hoses for being able to use the original cylinder for a hoist.
Good luck with your build Bill! Be safe!
Great show I’m half way through building my press and a few idea I didn’t think of
Awesome, good luck Christian!
Even though I've never welded or worked with hydraulics seeing someone make a tool like this gives me confidence that I could do it too...
Good luck Michael! Be careful
@@RedBeardOps oh I won't be able to try doing this for a long time. I need my own place first. Someday though...someday...
Awesome guide and build. Only concern is the guidance. How much space do you have between the frame and moving block? Have you experienced any problems when pressing off-center? Anything you would build different one year later?
Hey Kurt, The C-channel helps keep everything tight. When I originally welded the traveling block together (back in like 2006); I clamped the C-channel to the guide rails and welded in place. So it's pretty tight. I think an improvement would be to increase the length (height) of these C-channels extending up even to the height past the cylinder. All that being said, this thing has been working great for me.
I bet there is also an improved solution with bronze wear plates as well (adjustable with set screws)... and replaceable.
You also could be getting higher pressure flow due to the size of your fittings and hoses that makes a big difference in the output and flow rate of your hydraulic pump also, the reason why you had trapped pressure is from the test point when they test them they test them under high load and then Them I work with hydraulic cylinders all day every day on heavy equipment and it’s the same thing
Thanks for the info!
Loved your build and the video. Your instruction was excellent. I do need to make one comment about your rational regarding the motor and pump bases and not wanting to use shims. As a millwright and a certified vibration analyst I've seen hundreds of motor bearing failures over the years primarily due to motor shaft misalignment. The motor bearing is the weak link because of the close running tolerances. My key point here is that standard practice is that you need shims under the motor or pump feet so that you can have the ability to get the best shaft alignment possible. So for this reason I don't think intentionally eliminating shims is the best practice.
Loved your build and coincidentally I just had a forge given to me so this press just became the winter project.
Bruce
Damn! Thats a sweet build there... great job!!
Thank you!
GPM x 4 = tank size. This will ensure proper fluid cooling. You won't be constantly at 11GPM so it shouldn't be an issue for your setup.
Thanks for the note Eric!
@@RedBeardOps no worries man.
Just a tip on the cold saw...don't cut anything of any thickness, as the blades don't last anytime at all. I went the cold saw after burning out 6 Abrasive drop-saws, and one of those type saws!
Thanks Sam, I've been loving mine!
Great work, wonderful project and thanks for showing this off, Red!:)
To contacts and grinding them: Plug contacts for the mains connection in particular have a protective coating, which is usually applied galvanically. This guarantees high mechanical strength(like abrasion resistance and impact resistance) with simultaneous protection against corrosion, which guarantees low contact resistance. This is particularly important for the protective conductor (residual current tripping, personal protection). So grinding the contacts was the worst thing you can do (In electrician circles: A crime worse than murder! Hehehe). Use either contact spray that is approved for electrical contacts and often also contains a rust remover and maybe polish very gently ... So it's better to use a new plug. It's better for life and limb :)
Getting my list of steel used, looked into many presses yours is within my scope...awesome job....
Good luck man, be safe
Just a few notes on the hydraulics (maybe you addressed them and i missed it), you don't need thread sealant on basically any threads that aren't tapered. Usually, straight threads aren't what seals in the oil. If they don't have an o-ring, they'll usually seal with a metal cone in the middle. Also, be very careful using any black iron pipe and fittings unless you know they're rated for the pressures you're using.
Thanks for the tips!
Great video! Any chance you have an updated link for the motor?
Hey man, I'd probably consider a motor like this one. amzn.to/3zlDhFx
Single Phase, wired 220, 3450RPM. This one is 5HP. Has a 5/8 shaft.
Life protip if you have a pre drill hole you want to enlarge, you can use a the same size as the hole saw bolted inside the larger hole!
Fireball Tools make some fantastic things
They sure do!
Damn, every thing you do screams MERICA! Solid build, you explain everything, and you throw in diagrams for those of use not versed in hydraulics. I appreciate you realize we are not all at your level, and you make it easy to understand instead of talking down to us. That is mentorship vice lecturing. Again, thank you.
Thank you greatly sir! Glad you enjoyed the video! I enjoy the process of going though a project and trying to boil it down to key points and take away... presenting the info helps me learn it better for sure. Have a great Sunday!
I really like your creative tool use!
Thank you! Cheers!
Excellent build now I’m a bit new subscriber! Great work great detailed information thank you
Awesome, thank you!
HEY! You have the best video on UA-cam! I hope in the future after the shop is up, to build this press. And to become a patron! But for now, subscribed and saved the video. Thank you for putting together all these details. You did just an amazing job videoing the process. I think that you are a film maker! Thank you for the plans! It so nice to have them just to have something to think about a few times a week, until the build starts. )))
Thanks Gary! Glad you enjoyed this one!
Nice! I really appreciate you sharing this!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Nice build! I would love to do something like this one day. I'm new to this type of work but I'm starting out building one of Brian Houses 2x72 grinders. It's so much fun building your own tools!
Heck yeah Mark! You can do it! Cheers sir
just found your channel and really like the video, thank you for the knowledge.
Thanks for watching!
I want to start out by saying thank you very much for not only taking the time to do this but for also sharing it with all of us for free. I really appreciate you and your channel. I am following along with building my own one of these and I have watched your video many times but I do not see where you use the Hose Barb Fitting. Can you tell me where it is that I need it and what size I need to get it? Your link just sends me to the page where I have 4 options. Again thank you for what you have done here, it's been a huge help!
Gosh, I gotta be honest, this was so long ago that I don't remember the finer details. You'll have to research your specific hoses and fittings.
@@RedBeardOps I'm in the final phase of putting together my press. I figured out what the barbed fitting is for. It's for the red Suction Hose (3/4''). I assume we don't see you using it in your video because it was already put on in your past build. So if anyone in the future needs to know what one to order it is the 3/4 one if they order the 3/4 red suction hose. I wonder why you have two red suction hoses in your parts used list. You only use the 3/4 one in your video. I ordered both of them thinking that everything on your list I needed but it seems the 1" red hose is not needed. Also, I needed three 3/4'' x 3/4'' 90 Swivel. In your parts list you only have two listed. It might be helpful for future users to know that. Thanks again for doing this. I am almost done with my press thanks to your video.
@@sankojin I think I put them both in there since some systems could use either. Sorry if it was confusing. Glad your build is going ok! Cheers!
@@RedBeardOps I have everything done except the forging dies. I was wondering what material did you make your dies from? Also, did you ever make a foot pedal for this? I have been trying to think of a way to make one for it and I am not sure how to do it. The first time I turned my press on I was just like you in your video. I was standing as far back as I could and trying to use the press. Thanks again for doing this and also for answering my questions.
@@sankojin I just used mild steel, they've been holding up decent. You can for sure go more extreme here if wanted.
I haven't made the foot pedal yet... on the list...
Glad you're getting your press up and running! Good luck with the rest of your build!
What a great press. Can't wait to see how easy it makes it for you to make damascus.
Thank you sir! Glad you like it. I can't wait either!
Fantastic job making your hydraulic press
Thank you very much!
Looks great, James! I would recommend you add a foot pedal for the valve, but I’m sure you’ve thought of that. Can’t wait to see the Damascus!!! 👍
Thanks for the suggestion sir. People do seem to like those, and I can see why. It's on the list for sure. Have a great weekend!
Tasty press with loads of info...........just whats needed, thankyou.
Thank you greatly Tasty! Cheers
good job, and thank you for sheering.
You bet! Cheers
Those combo dies are awesome. Definitely round them off though.
I did! Much better for sure. Cheers Doug
Really enjoyed this video and parts list. I really appreciate it and it will definitely be helpful seeing as im educating myself and getting ready to try a build
Glad it was helpful! Be safe with your build! Lots of pressure.
You could probably use a heavy magnetic drill with a base that has a steel plate on the top for the magnet, instead of moving the mini press around.
For sure!
Great job FYI 5 gallon tank was probably ok. I have a 3 gallon on a monster wood splitter and my hydo oil only gets warm
Thanks for the info sir! The old 5 gal tank was pretty nasty too.... so I also wanted to replace it for that reason. I'm sure you're right though. Especially since this thing doesn't run for hours on end.
Awesome build… but those are just jic fittings, about as standard as it gets in hydraulics, the hoses can also be made at any hydraulic shop, most tractor/farm stores also have various lengths in stock for anyone looking to build a setup like this.
nice, I like it standard
Fantastic video! I learned a ton and regret building our powerhammer instead of a press... but it was far cheaper.
Thank you so informative I now feel confident to build one 😀
Good luck! Be careful and take your time! Cheers
Well done and thanks for the parts/plans.
Thanks Justin!
It would be great to see “real time” video of this press drawing out. It’s hard to get an idea of what the performance would be like if the video is sped up. It’s hard to find any videos of a press being used online without the video sped up…..
This is a great build, great improvements,
ua-cam.com/video/qwGdKEtOhrk/v-deo.html - I think I have some shots in that one
Thanks Kent
I am only half way through this video but the work and narration so far is enough to know this is a channel that should be subbed and followed.
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Thanks for the upload.
Welcome aboard! Thank you greatly!
Awesome build. Thanks for the walk through.
You bet! Thanks!
Great narration, great fabrication, faultless
Thank you! Cheers David
Great video. Thanks for all the effort you put into making us understand. One question - the valve specify in your description isn't available on Amazon. Are you aware of another one on amazon that would do the same thing?
Hey Tim, I know a few people have had issue with the valve. I'm fairly sure they have to be modified/bypassed to move the cylinder in both directions (this is a standard feature on the prince valuve but isn't intuitive). I'd advise contacting prince and asking them what model number you should order for your application. The one I bought was from over 10 years ago.
How small of square tubing could this press be made? 2" 3" thick wall square tubing? I'm wanting to make one on rollers similar to coal iron works 12 ton. Very good video one your build. Thanks for sharing the video and plans.
Hey Kent, without running very detailed calculations I don't know for sure. I know the 1/4'' thick 4'' is working very well. I bet you could go smaller on a 12 ton, but once again, I really don't know.
Thanks for making this!
You bet!
Great Press and vid of everything, really enjoyed watching this thanks for sharing it.
Glad you enjoyed it! Have a great weekend sir!
Excellent build! I wish I had room for one of these in my shop
Cheers from Canada
Thank you very much! Cheers back at you from Texas!
Amazing work!!! Regards from Argentina 🇦🇷
Thank you! Cheers!
Great information and generous with your plans! Thank you!!
Glad it was helpful! Cheers Steve!
Great video. After a couple of years of operation how is it holding up? Is there force, do you want or need more, is the frame holding up? Keep up the videos, watch them a lot :)
So far so good! It's holding up. Force is great for what I'm doing, no issues. Frame is still solid. Some slight galling where the guides meet the frame and rub. Can't complain here!
Thank you for sharing this video, it's very helpful. I have one question: I see that the pump's datasheet recommends the pump to be installed at same level (or below) vs. the tank, in order to help with suction. I see that you choose a different approach, i.e. the pump is installed above the tank. Did you have any issue with this setup? Or, do you need any special care or procedure? Thank you!
It is ideal to have the pump below the tank to keep it primed with a couple of feet of hydrostatic head. That being said, I haven't had issues yet.
Awesome restoration and very nice rig
Thank you very much! Glad you enjoyed it
Very excellent video and content. Thank you for sharing the details and explanation so freely.
Glad it was helpful!
Nice job! What is the approximate tonnage of this press?
Glad you liked it! About 25T
Really appreciate the detail! I just built a press based off of your design and all is well so far. Quick question: why can't I get the pressure gauge to register any psi while running? I noticed your gauge wasn't moving either (29:49). What am I missing? Thanks again!
Does your gauge move when actually pressing? With resistance? When It's just circulating there really shouldn't be much PSI - From what I understand. Be safe my friend! These things are dangerous
@@RedBeardOps Yeah dude, I'm a moron. Pressure shows when I'm actually putting pressure on something (who'd a thunk it?). Thanks for the reply and all of your videos!!