Well I really hope yall got something out of this one! Links to all the plans are in the description. Here are the time stamps: An update video - ua-cam.com/video/PMcIJWPxC0w/v-deo.html 00:00 - Intro & Plan 00:45 - New Press Feet 02:57 - Disassembly 04:55 - Frame Mod & Adding Feet 06:46 - Motor & Pump Shelf 07:27 - New Pump Bracket 10:12 - Enlarging Pin Holes 13:57 - Traveling Guide Mod 14:38 - Die Holders & Dies 18:29 - Slag Catcher 19:21 - Wiring Switch 21:28 - Hydraulic Assembly 28:03 - Start Up & Traveling Block Connect 29:32 - Testing, Front Die Tabs, & Outro
@@futuresonex Thanks for your subscription! The cylinder will do around 30 tons.... I can't say what the system is rated for since it's a custom build and not "rated...." Build at your own risk
@@RedBeardOps Your DePressing project turned out good. Look into the JIC style fittings for future projects they are a whole lot easier to work with than NPT threads.
Yessir, that was fantastic! I got hurt very badly in a work injury 2 years ago. Sitting here feeling sorry for myself after unsuccessful another surgery last week trying to figure out how I was going to be able to get back into my shop again. Thank you Red Beard for giving me my desire to want to try to get back out into my shop. Hells yes!!!
There is a big difference in HP between an internal combustion engine, and an electric motor. I converted my gas powered log splitter to electric(to use it indoors), and educated myself on this subject pretty well. As a general rule you can use an electric motor with half the HP of gas… I used a 2hp 1750rpm electric motor to replace my 6hp gas and am actually still well within rated range requirements by the pump. Reason being is the torque rating on the electric motor is far greater, and it’s instantaneous! Nice job on the press, I’m building myself one also!
Yeah I went with a 3hp 3500rpm motor and Geeze it’s got way motor power than the gas 6hp and is extremely fast. I put a larger diameter ram on it and it slowed it down just a little.
Yes. You can look up online calculaters that convert hydraulic, electric motor and gasoline engines. Once a fuel engine starts bogging down it loses power instantly. An electric motor can twist even at a stall condition.
Also, induction electric motors will happily draw more amperage under load to output more power than what it's rated for. It's important, however, to understand that you can't run it this way continuously or you'll burn it up. The "rated" power is the output it will run at continuously without overheating. In applications where the motor is stressed intermittently, such as a press, it will work fine. The reason they will make more power has to do with how an induction motor works. With no load, the system experiences a high feedback in the system. This serves to lessen amperage draw in order to run at the rated RPM. Induction motors are "synchronous" in nature, meaning they want to run at the RPM it was designed. When you apply a load, the RPM's drop. This is known as "slip". Slip results in lessening the system feed back, thus increasing amperage draw. More amps means more power. The motor is trying to get back to its rated RPM. You can think of the feedback and slip as a "cruise control" of sorts. Just like when you have cruise turned on in your car, start up a hill, and more gas is applied by the control to maintain the same speed. Motors used in equipment that have to overcome a load at startup typically have a capacitor circuit ("capacitor start") to provide an extra jolt of power to allow it to get going under load, otherwise it might not be able to start.
Another excellent video. Thank you!! The thing about pressure gauges most people don't realize is that you never want a gauge that maxed out at the max pressure you are working at. Gauges work by bending an arm inside the gauge. The more it has to flex the more it will wear out the gauge plus a small amount of error in the reading comes into play, the more it has to flex, the greater the error will become over time. At most you want your max working pressure to be in the middle of the scale for the gauge you are using.
I have been watching your forge press videos the past few days, absorbing your experiences, as I, too, am designing my own press. This evening I was searching on information about cylinders, and happened upon a thread on bladeforums. I read a bunch of the posts, and at one point I looked at the names of the posters. Lo, and behold, the OP was none other than RBO himself, getting learned up on building a press. Good stuff.
I built a press just like this one, only a little beefier. 6" HSS... I put it on casters to move it around my garage. Love it. Covid lockdowns kept me from working... So I built a forge, press and 2x72. Only thing I wanna change on the press is a 5" cylinder. only one available was a 4". It's fast and works great.
Posted 3 hrs and already got 150 likes and over a 1,000 views. James, you do good work, not only on video editing but your craftsmanship is outstanding. Thanks for taking the time.
This is a fantastic video. The filming angles were perfect, your commentary was extremely clear and to the point. Your explanation was easy to follow and understand. The fact that you went the extra few miles and added a parts list and a list of places to get the needed parts from, is going the extra few miles. Thank you for putting together and posting this video. It is as interesting as it is educational. I look forward to your next build. Outstanding work. Stay safe and may God bless you and yours.
Great to see you getting your press back into use, I’m looking forward to seeing some results when you get it ironed out ( no pun intended) Like everything you build or make you present really well, good communication and detailed info. I’ll see you on the flip side from lockdown in Melbourne Australia. Regards and stay safe Rex
Well done James! Heavy duty and a lot of precision in that baby. I built mine 3 years ago and it works great. You'll love using it I'm sure. Good luck! Can't wait to see you using it.
Awesome stuff! The combo dyes looks great! Also... the timelapse of you becoming He-Man to move that thing across your shop was pretty good for my mental health.
Yet another great shop project! I really enjoy how you own every part of the build, warts and all….because it helps viewers see that we all have challenges and can overcome them. This is one project I would love to take on, but am too short for time left to do it. So, I’m especially happy for your successful completion. Go RBO!
I’ve been bedridden for about a week with pretty bad back injury. Finally healed up and I got sick now I’m sitting at home with 102° fever and I can’t sleep. Saw this video and it knocked me out right away. To the point that every time I wake up from my baby power naps I would restart the video because I wanted to see your progress with this. Awesome job looks great. Just for me please round out those corners on your rounding dies
I've been surfing UA-cam for probably about a week with the search phrase ( how to make a press for foraging ) after seeing this video your presses top 5 so far and I'm confident no matter how many more I watch it won't go lower than top 5. May become my top 1🤘😁Thanks for sharing it and another thing I took away from this experience.. I never seen combo dies 😳 or even thought of that 🤔. This video like was the key to unlock my creativity to take this further ‼️ thank you so much ‼️
Great job! One thing you can do when drilling large holesaw holes is to drill a 1/4” hole thru the part, on the circumference. This lets the chips drop out and the saw won’t re grind the metal. Hole saws have no chip clearance. Your press is excellent!
Thank you! I've been contemplating on ideas about what and how I was going to fabricate a press, and this has definitely helped. Love the videos, and keep up the great work!
It is always really inspiring to see someone build things like this with some clever use of whatever tools they have available. It was a well structured and detailed video, good job! I also plan on building a big forging press in the near future
I figured you had more to do with this press than merely the occasional pressing bearings in and out and such. Because that was a lot of work and parts for the occasional press set up. Thumbs Up!
Holy smokes what a beast of a press! That's very well made! This might be a great idea for my shed. I always wanted a power hammer but my neighbors would kill me. This might be a realistic alternative.
@@RedBeardOps I'd make a way smaller version just for forging steel. something that can sit on my workbench, not on the floor, if that's even possible. Thank you so much for the idea. Keep up the good work!
funny thing about that trapped pressure. I removed the plugs on the bench and there was no pressure reinstalled the plugs and put the cylinder on the frame and removed the plugs and they popped just like the did in your video. this build has taken a long time but i am almost done just waiting on one part and then to make the dies. I'll send you a pic on instagram when I finish.
@@RedBeardOps did you have to do any adjustments to the pump or control valve. I am only getting about 1000 -1200 psi on the gauge and then it looses all power. I triple checked and everything is connected properly but it is still not giving me much compression it had trouble deforming a 1x2 piece of pine. any suggestions?
@@benjamineangeloni2335 On the control valve there is a cover that is covering an adjustment screw. It's a large allen head. This adjustment allows you to regulate the max PSI
I just built a small press. Just an FYI all of the builders and makers of hydraulic suggest and build their presses with the tank above the pump to prevent starving pump and any cavitation. Great build!!
Man that was a fabulous video! I had seen hydraulics being used but it looked like it might be beyond my reach. Not so! And I have a good enough forehead to install any pin in any machine. Great job!
HEY! You have the best video on UA-cam! I hope in the future after the shop is up, to build this press. And to become a patron! But for now, subscribed and saved the video. Thank you for putting together all these details. You did just an amazing job videoing the process. I think that you are a film maker! Thank you for the plans! It so nice to have them just to have something to think about a few times a week, until the build starts. )))
James, quick question.... I'm using your exact setup so I know I get it right, however some of the links for the motor and pump don't seem to work anymore, or the part is unavailable.... what direction should the pump vs the motor rotate? Clockwise for the pump and CCW for the motor I'm assuming? Thank you
Great work, wonderful project and thanks for showing this off, Red!:) To contacts and grinding them: Plug contacts for the mains connection in particular have a protective coating, which is usually applied galvanically. This guarantees high mechanical strength(like abrasion resistance and impact resistance) with simultaneous protection against corrosion, which guarantees low contact resistance. This is particularly important for the protective conductor (residual current tripping, personal protection). So grinding the contacts was the worst thing you can do (In electrician circles: A crime worse than murder! Hehehe). Use either contact spray that is approved for electrical contacts and often also contains a rust remover and maybe polish very gently ... So it's better to use a new plug. It's better for life and limb :)
Thank you for this video, and the very detailed comments and instructions. I have been himhawing around because of my hydraulics ignorance, and haven't finished mine. This helps give me encouragement to get it completed. Great job!
Damn, every thing you do screams MERICA! Solid build, you explain everything, and you throw in diagrams for those of use not versed in hydraulics. I appreciate you realize we are not all at your level, and you make it easy to understand instead of talking down to us. That is mentorship vice lecturing. Again, thank you.
Thank you greatly sir! Glad you enjoyed the video! I enjoy the process of going though a project and trying to boil it down to key points and take away... presenting the info helps me learn it better for sure. Have a great Sunday!
That's awesome man, if things go well this year, I'll be building it. I mean in a perfect world we all be able to afford a c.i.w. press, but this is great too
I too had issues drilling large holes in 1inch plate. After drilling 3 of the 13 holes needed, I decided to scratch the plate with the hole saw, then drilling a few 3/16" holes around the perimeter of the intended hole diameter. Drilling the 4 smaller holes took about 5 min, but saved me 30 min per large hole. The smaller holes allowed a place for the fine shavings to fall through, instead of creating a slurry of oil and fine ground metal particles.
Nice build! I would love to do something like this one day. I'm new to this type of work but I'm starting out building one of Brian Houses 2x72 grinders. It's so much fun building your own tools!
I am only half way through this video but the work and narration so far is enough to know this is a channel that should be subbed and followed. SUBBED> Thanks for the upload.
I was told when I built my press 20-something years ago that the slider should be tight enough to scrape the mill scale off the uprights. Never had a problem since.
@@RedBeardOps I use a Barnes-type 2 stage coupled onto a 5hp electric motor. Gets up to around 12 tons in the first stage, about 28 tons second stage, 5" dia. cylinder.
Loved your build and the video. Your instruction was excellent. I do need to make one comment about your rational regarding the motor and pump bases and not wanting to use shims. As a millwright and a certified vibration analyst I've seen hundreds of motor bearing failures over the years primarily due to motor shaft misalignment. The motor bearing is the weak link because of the close running tolerances. My key point here is that standard practice is that you need shims under the motor or pump feet so that you can have the ability to get the best shaft alignment possible. So for this reason I don't think intentionally eliminating shims is the best practice. Loved your build and coincidentally I just had a forge given to me so this press just became the winter project. Bruce
30 amps at 220 volts (your switch) will max out at just under 9 hp, so even a 5 hp motor will play nice with your antique switch, lol. As for tank capacity in gallons, a quite surprising just under 7 1/2 gallons fits in a cubic foot, so a 10 gallon tank will be roughly a puny looking 12x12x18 inches (or 14 inch cube). Great build!
@RedBeardOps just a little payback to thank you for the rebuild vid! If you do run into a need to level the press, you could just use bolts and 2 nuts at each corner (1 nut above and below each bolt down tab), and dial her in perfectly plumb. Btw, totally agree with your choice to put you die "pinch point" right around hip/navel height, it's a great low effort working height
Just a few notes on the hydraulics (maybe you addressed them and i missed it), you don't need thread sealant on basically any threads that aren't tapered. Usually, straight threads aren't what seals in the oil. If they don't have an o-ring, they'll usually seal with a metal cone in the middle. Also, be very careful using any black iron pipe and fittings unless you know they're rated for the pressures you're using.
It would be great to see “real time” video of this press drawing out. It’s hard to get an idea of what the performance would be like if the video is sped up. It’s hard to find any videos of a press being used online without the video sped up….. This is a great build, great improvements,
I want to start out by saying thank you very much for not only taking the time to do this but for also sharing it with all of us for free. I really appreciate you and your channel. I am following along with building my own one of these and I have watched your video many times but I do not see where you use the Hose Barb Fitting. Can you tell me where it is that I need it and what size I need to get it? Your link just sends me to the page where I have 4 options. Again thank you for what you have done here, it's been a huge help!
@@RedBeardOps I'm in the final phase of putting together my press. I figured out what the barbed fitting is for. It's for the red Suction Hose (3/4''). I assume we don't see you using it in your video because it was already put on in your past build. So if anyone in the future needs to know what one to order it is the 3/4 one if they order the 3/4 red suction hose. I wonder why you have two red suction hoses in your parts used list. You only use the 3/4 one in your video. I ordered both of them thinking that everything on your list I needed but it seems the 1" red hose is not needed. Also, I needed three 3/4'' x 3/4'' 90 Swivel. In your parts list you only have two listed. It might be helpful for future users to know that. Thanks again for doing this. I am almost done with my press thanks to your video.
@@RedBeardOps I have everything done except the forging dies. I was wondering what material did you make your dies from? Also, did you ever make a foot pedal for this? I have been trying to think of a way to make one for it and I am not sure how to do it. The first time I turned my press on I was just like you in your video. I was standing as far back as I could and trying to use the press. Thanks again for doing this and also for answering my questions.
@@sankojin I just used mild steel, they've been holding up decent. You can for sure go more extreme here if wanted. I haven't made the foot pedal yet... on the list... Glad you're getting your press up and running! Good luck with the rest of your build!
Really enjoyed this video and parts list. I really appreciate it and it will definitely be helpful seeing as im educating myself and getting ready to try a build
thanks for all the work and lessons learned, you have helped me tremendously, Thank you for sharing as well, you did not have to and I appreciate it. I did not find the parts list, I am interested in the hydraulic pump and electric motor you use. Thanks again
Hey Tony, the parts are in my video description (depending on your device, this can bee in different places under the video.). Glad it helped! Be safe with your build!
I would like to turn my log splitter turned press vertically instead of horizontal and ankle high, probably going to buy a shorter cylinder, but, evidently, to get it right and tight, i need a few more things, like lots more practice stick welding, something to make machine type tolerances, and probably something that cuts better than a cut-off wheel in a chop saw, skil saw, or 4" hand grinder. Am also thinking quick disconnect hoses for being able to use the original cylinder for a hoist.
Well done Red Beard love the thought that goes into home building ,making do with what you have ( mini mill ), looks real tidy now Think I will subscribe and watch more Cheers from Aus
Awesome guide and build. Only concern is the guidance. How much space do you have between the frame and moving block? Have you experienced any problems when pressing off-center? Anything you would build different one year later?
Hey Kurt, The C-channel helps keep everything tight. When I originally welded the traveling block together (back in like 2006); I clamped the C-channel to the guide rails and welded in place. So it's pretty tight. I think an improvement would be to increase the length (height) of these C-channels extending up even to the height past the cylinder. All that being said, this thing has been working great for me. I bet there is also an improved solution with bronze wear plates as well (adjustable with set screws)... and replaceable.
Hello there the link to the cylinder says that cylinder is no longer available can you give a suggestion for another one that's not supper expensive like 250ish bucks I'm new to all this and don't know what I'm looking for
where the motor and pump are mounted how high up is that shelf from the floor ? and the width ? thanks just asking so my hoses dont come up short should be starting fabrication next week thanks james
@@RedBeardOps awesome thanks how is your press working out for you ? I cant wait to get mine built will keep you posted appreciate everything you have posted
Just a tip on the cold saw...don't cut anything of any thickness, as the blades don't last anytime at all. I went the cold saw after burning out 6 Abrasive drop-saws, and one of those type saws!
Does the 4X4 tubing handle roughly the same amount of power as using I-beam? I see lots made with I-beams but square tubing seems more readily available to me.
Great video im working on a press for my channel ....the reason your getting more pressure is because the pump is only 11 gpm before it has a load on it once 500 psi builds it drop down to 2 or 3 gpm. If it was 11 gom all the time your motor wouldn't be able to handle it....great job man
Hello, I am designing a forge press using the same cylinder, I was wondering if you could please let me know what the outside diameter is of the cylinder so I can work around the fitment with the cylinder.
@@RedBeardOps that’s alright, just whenever you get a chance that would be great. I looked on northern but just found the bore diameter, pin to pin center on center distance and of course the stroke. Nothing for the outside dimensions
Great video. Thanks for all the effort you put into making us understand. One question - the valve specify in your description isn't available on Amazon. Are you aware of another one on amazon that would do the same thing?
Hey Tim, I know a few people have had issue with the valve. I'm fairly sure they have to be modified/bypassed to move the cylinder in both directions (this is a standard feature on the prince valuve but isn't intuitive). I'd advise contacting prince and asking them what model number you should order for your application. The one I bought was from over 10 years ago.
Well I really hope yall got something out of this one! Links to all the plans are in the description. Here are the time stamps:
An update video - ua-cam.com/video/PMcIJWPxC0w/v-deo.html
00:00 - Intro & Plan
00:45 - New Press Feet
02:57 - Disassembly
04:55 - Frame Mod & Adding Feet
06:46 - Motor & Pump Shelf
07:27 - New Pump Bracket
10:12 - Enlarging Pin Holes
13:57 - Traveling Guide Mod
14:38 - Die Holders & Dies
18:29 - Slag Catcher
19:21 - Wiring Switch
21:28 - Hydraulic Assembly
28:03 - Start Up & Traveling Block Connect
29:32 - Testing, Front Die Tabs, & Outro
Very nice, new subscriber! So about how many tons would this press be rated for roughly?
@@futuresonex Thanks for your subscription! The cylinder will do around 30 tons.... I can't say what the system is rated for since it's a custom build and not "rated...." Build at your own risk
@@RedBeardOps Your DePressing project turned out good. Look into the JIC style fittings for future projects they are a whole lot easier to work with than NPT threads.
Thank you so much for posting this ‼️
@@futuresonex getting ready to say the same thing ‼️
Yessir, that was fantastic!
I got hurt very badly in a work injury 2 years ago. Sitting here feeling sorry for myself after unsuccessful another surgery last week trying to figure out how I was going to be able to get back into my shop again. Thank you Red Beard for giving me my desire to want to try to get back out into my shop. Hells yes!!!
Heck yeah Brady! Glad it helped!
There is a big difference in HP between an internal combustion engine, and an electric motor. I converted my gas powered log splitter to electric(to use it indoors), and educated myself on this subject pretty well. As a general rule you can use an electric motor with half the HP of gas… I used a 2hp 1750rpm electric motor to replace my 6hp gas and am actually still well within rated range requirements by the pump. Reason being is the torque rating on the electric motor is far greater, and it’s instantaneous! Nice job on the press, I’m building myself one also!
Very good to know! Good luck with your build Jeremy!
@@RedBeardOps thanks!
Yeah I went with a 3hp 3500rpm motor and Geeze it’s got way motor power than the gas 6hp and is extremely fast. I put a larger diameter ram on it and it slowed it down just a little.
Yes. You can look up online calculaters that convert hydraulic, electric motor and gasoline engines.
Once a fuel engine starts bogging down it loses power instantly. An electric motor can twist even at a stall condition.
Also, induction electric motors will happily draw more amperage under load to output more power than what it's rated for. It's important, however, to understand that you can't run it this way continuously or you'll burn it up. The "rated" power is the output it will run at continuously without overheating. In applications where the motor is stressed intermittently, such as a press, it will work fine.
The reason they will make more power has to do with how an induction motor works. With no load, the system experiences a high feedback in the system. This serves to lessen amperage draw in order to run at the rated RPM. Induction motors are "synchronous" in nature, meaning they want to run at the RPM it was designed. When you apply a load, the RPM's drop. This is known as "slip". Slip results in lessening the system feed back, thus increasing amperage draw. More amps means more power. The motor is trying to get back to its rated RPM. You can think of the feedback and slip as a "cruise control" of sorts. Just like when you have cruise turned on in your car, start up a hill, and more gas is applied by the control to maintain the same speed.
Motors used in equipment that have to overcome a load at startup typically have a capacitor circuit ("capacitor start") to provide an extra jolt of power to allow it to get going under load, otherwise it might not be able to start.
Another excellent video. Thank you!!
The thing about pressure gauges most people don't realize is that you never want a gauge that maxed out at the max pressure you are working at. Gauges work by bending an arm inside the gauge. The more it has to flex the more it will wear out the gauge plus a small amount of error in the reading comes into play, the more it has to flex, the greater the error will become over time. At most you want your max working pressure to be in the middle of the scale for the gauge you are using.
Great job, bro. I’m impressed at your high quality output with no industrial sized tools. Props.
Thank you sir!
I have been watching your forge press videos the past few days, absorbing your experiences, as I, too, am designing my own press.
This evening I was searching on information about cylinders, and happened upon a thread on bladeforums. I read a bunch of the posts, and at one point I looked at the names of the posters. Lo, and behold, the OP was none other than RBO himself, getting learned up on building a press. Good stuff.
Bladefourms is excellent! If you go far enough back I have some 2006ish threads on building this press the first time!
I built a press just like this one, only a little beefier. 6" HSS... I put it on casters to move it around my garage. Love it. Covid lockdowns kept me from working... So I built a forge, press and 2x72. Only thing I wanna change on the press is a 5" cylinder. only one available was a 4". It's fast and works great.
Right on! It's nice having one of these in the shop for sure! I ended up putting mine on casters as well. Cheers man!
Posted 3 hrs and already got 150 likes and over a 1,000 views. James, you do good work, not only on video editing but your craftsmanship is outstanding. Thanks for taking the time.
Thank you greatly sir! And thanks for the help on bladeforums. With projects like these having a solid group of men as a sounding board really helps.
This is a fantastic video. The filming angles were perfect, your commentary was extremely clear and to the point. Your explanation was easy to follow and understand. The fact that you went the extra few miles and added a parts list and a list of places to get the needed parts from, is going the extra few miles. Thank you for putting together and posting this video. It is as interesting as it is educational. I look forward to your next build. Outstanding work. Stay safe and may God bless you and yours.
Wow, thanks for the comment! Cheers sir! Have a great 4th of July!
Great to see you getting your press back into use, I’m looking forward to seeing some results when you get it ironed out ( no pun intended)
Like everything you build or make you present really well, good communication and detailed info. I’ll see you on the flip side from lockdown in Melbourne Australia. Regards and stay safe
Rex
Heck yeah Rex, thank you! Sorry to hear about he lockdown. Cheers
This is the most detailed forging press build video I've seen. This video helped me a lot. thank you 🍻
I'm glad you liked it HANS! Cheers man!
Well done James! Heavy duty and a lot of precision in that baby. I built mine 3 years ago and it works great. You'll love using it I'm sure. Good luck! Can't wait to see you using it.
Thank you greatly sir! I'm excited to start making some pattern welded steel over here! Cheers!
Awesome stuff! The combo dyes looks great! Also... the timelapse of you becoming He-Man to move that thing across your shop was pretty good for my mental health.
LOL, cheers Cameron!
Yet another great shop project!
I really enjoy how you own every part of the build, warts and all….because it helps viewers see that we all have challenges and can overcome them. This is one project I would love to take on, but am too short for time left to do it. So, I’m especially happy for your successful completion. Go RBO!
Glad you enjoyed it!
I’ve been bedridden for about a week with pretty bad back injury. Finally healed up and I got sick now I’m sitting at home with 102° fever and I can’t sleep. Saw this video and it knocked me out right away. To the point that every time I wake up from my baby power naps I would restart the video because I wanted to see your progress with this. Awesome job looks great. Just for me please round out those corners on your rounding dies
Thanks Christopher! I did end up doing that. Cheers sir
Workshop and gym combined you are a man with a refined taste.
Thank you greatly! This is obviously an accurate statement. 🙌
I've been surfing UA-cam for probably about a week with the search phrase ( how to make a press for foraging ) after seeing this video your presses top 5 so far and I'm confident no matter how many more I watch it won't go lower than top 5. May become my top 1🤘😁Thanks for sharing it and another thing I took away from this experience.. I never seen combo dies 😳 or even thought of that 🤔.
This video like was the key to unlock my creativity to take this further ‼️ thank you so much ‼️
Good luck with your build! Be safe out there
You came a long way from the first build! Congratz!
Thank you!
Great job! One thing you can do when drilling large holesaw holes is to drill a 1/4” hole thru the part, on the circumference. This lets the chips drop out and the saw won’t re grind the metal. Hole saws have no chip clearance. Your press is excellent!
Thanks for the info!
Thank you! I've been contemplating on ideas about what and how I was going to fabricate a press, and this has definitely helped. Love the videos, and keep up the great work!
Glad it was helpful!
It is always really inspiring to see someone build things like this with some clever use of whatever tools they have available. It was a well structured and detailed video, good job! I also plan on building a big forging press in the near future
Thank you very much! Glad you enjoyed the build!
I figured you had more to do with this press than merely the occasional pressing bearings in and out and such. Because that was a lot of work and parts for the occasional press set up. Thumbs Up!
You are correct! I'll be using this press for making pattern welded steel and general knife making! CHeers
Holy smokes what a beast of a press! That's very well made! This might be a great idea for my shed. I always wanted a power hammer but my neighbors would kill me. This might be a realistic alternative.
It might be! It is still pretty loud... but not too bad
@@RedBeardOps I'd make a way smaller version just for forging steel. something that can sit on my workbench, not on the floor, if that's even possible. Thank you so much for the idea. Keep up the good work!
Very well documented and put together. I look forward to seeing some Damascus soon. Thanks for the video!
Glad you enjoyed it! Cheers Shawn
amazing... just amazing...as an absorber of knowledge yet able to do smithing, this was a huge win in how i can go about setting up equipment
Cheers sir! Glad you liked it
funny thing about that trapped pressure. I removed the plugs on the bench and there was no pressure reinstalled the plugs and put the cylinder on the frame and removed the plugs and they popped just like the did in your video. this build has taken a long time but i am almost done just waiting on one part and then to make the dies. I'll send you a pic on instagram when I finish.
Guess that's hydrostatic head for you! Lol. Be safe man. Cheers
@@RedBeardOps how much of the extension of the ram did you leave at point where the dies come together?
@@benjamineangeloni2335 Are you asking what the actual total stroke is from wide open to dies touching? If I remember right it's around 7.5''
@@RedBeardOps did you have to do any adjustments to the pump or control valve. I am only getting about 1000 -1200 psi on the gauge and then it looses all power. I triple checked and everything is connected properly but it is still not giving me much compression it had trouble deforming a 1x2 piece of pine. any suggestions?
@@benjamineangeloni2335 On the control valve there is a cover that is covering an adjustment screw. It's a large allen head. This adjustment allows you to regulate the max PSI
Thank you!!!! You put an extreme amount of work into this.
You're very welcome!
I just built a small press. Just an FYI all of the builders and makers of hydraulic suggest and build their presses with the tank above the pump to prevent starving pump and any cavitation. Great build!!
Thanks Stephen, and good point!
Definitely on my list of "to build items" great clean build 👍
Awesome! Thank you Rodney! Glad you enjoyed it. Good luck with your build!
Man that was a fabulous video! I had seen hydraulics being used but it looked like it might be beyond my reach. Not so! And I have a good enough forehead to install any pin in any machine. Great job!
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for the comment Mark
HEY! You have the best video on UA-cam! I hope in the future after the shop is up, to build this press. And to become a patron! But for now, subscribed and saved the video. Thank you for putting together all these details. You did just an amazing job videoing the process. I think that you are a film maker! Thank you for the plans! It so nice to have them just to have something to think about a few times a week, until the build starts. )))
Thanks Gary! Glad you enjoyed this one!
James, quick question.... I'm using your exact setup so I know I get it right, however some of the links for the motor and pump don't seem to work anymore, or the part is unavailable.... what direction should the pump vs the motor rotate? Clockwise for the pump and CCW for the motor I'm assuming? Thank you
I had to go back and watch myself. Looking at 20:55 it appears the motor turns CCW and the pump shaft turns CW. So you're right!
@@RedBeardOps omg. Good eyes!! As many times as I’ve watched this video, I actually missed that. Thank you!
@@MVCompassRose Hahahaha, I knew it was in there somewhere! I have the advantage of making the video ;)
Great work, wonderful project and thanks for showing this off, Red!:)
To contacts and grinding them: Plug contacts for the mains connection in particular have a protective coating, which is usually applied galvanically. This guarantees high mechanical strength(like abrasion resistance and impact resistance) with simultaneous protection against corrosion, which guarantees low contact resistance. This is particularly important for the protective conductor (residual current tripping, personal protection). So grinding the contacts was the worst thing you can do (In electrician circles: A crime worse than murder! Hehehe). Use either contact spray that is approved for electrical contacts and often also contains a rust remover and maybe polish very gently ... So it's better to use a new plug. It's better for life and limb :)
Thank you for this video, and the very detailed comments and instructions. I have been himhawing around because of my hydraulics ignorance, and haven't finished mine. This helps give me encouragement to get it completed. Great job!
Good luck sir!
My Blacksmith grandfather would have loved your press.
I really liked the combo-dies.
Glad to hear it! Thank you Howard!
Damn, every thing you do screams MERICA! Solid build, you explain everything, and you throw in diagrams for those of use not versed in hydraulics. I appreciate you realize we are not all at your level, and you make it easy to understand instead of talking down to us. That is mentorship vice lecturing. Again, thank you.
Thank you greatly sir! Glad you enjoyed the video! I enjoy the process of going though a project and trying to boil it down to key points and take away... presenting the info helps me learn it better for sure. Have a great Sunday!
That's awesome man, if things go well this year, I'll be building it. I mean in a perfect world we all be able to afford a c.i.w. press, but this is great too
I too had issues drilling large holes in 1inch plate. After drilling 3 of the 13 holes needed, I decided to scratch the plate with the hole saw, then drilling a few 3/16" holes around the perimeter of the intended hole diameter. Drilling the 4 smaller holes took about 5 min, but saved me 30 min per large hole. The smaller holes allowed a place for the fine shavings to fall through, instead of creating a slurry of oil and fine ground metal particles.
Veery good idea sir!
Wow! Great build!! Well done mate and thanks for the plans
Glad you like it! Cheers Ronny!
Even though I've never welded or worked with hydraulics seeing someone make a tool like this gives me confidence that I could do it too...
Good luck Michael! Be careful
@@RedBeardOps oh I won't be able to try doing this for a long time. I need my own place first. Someday though...someday...
You sir, are an absolute gem for what you share. I really appreciate it 🙏
Glad you're enjoying the videos! Be safe with your builds.
A half hour long video to start my knifeday? Yes please!
Cheers sir! Glad you liked it!
Looks great, James! I would recommend you add a foot pedal for the valve, but I’m sure you’ve thought of that. Can’t wait to see the Damascus!!! 👍
Thanks for the suggestion sir. People do seem to like those, and I can see why. It's on the list for sure. Have a great weekend!
Nice build! I would love to do something like this one day. I'm new to this type of work but I'm starting out building one of Brian Houses 2x72 grinders. It's so much fun building your own tools!
Heck yeah Mark! You can do it! Cheers sir
I am only half way through this video but the work and narration so far is enough to know this is a channel that should be subbed and followed.
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Thanks for the upload.
Welcome aboard! Thank you greatly!
Damn! Thats a sweet build there... great job!!
Thank you!
You blow my mind with your skills good job mate.
Thank you sir!
Good content as always brother! I've been waiting on this video for awhile now :) +50k subs! man nice! hope to see you 100k in no time!
Thank you greatly sir! Glad you enjoyed this one
Good upgrade 👍Hydraulic fittings usually use tapers or dowty washers to seal. The tape can leak under the high hydraulic pressure.
I was told when I built my press 20-something years ago that the slider should be tight enough to scrape the mill scale off the uprights. Never had a problem since.
Nice! Cheers sir
@@RedBeardOps I use a Barnes-type 2 stage coupled onto a 5hp electric motor. Gets up to around 12 tons in the first stage, about 28 tons second stage, 5" dia. cylinder.
....glad this showed up in recommendations,, i really have a urge for something of this nature, even if only to craft a few items a year with.
Excellent build now I’m a bit new subscriber! Great work great detailed information thank you
Awesome, thank you!
Subbed Red Beard. Awesome content, thank you for taking the time to share this with us.
Thanks! I'm glad you enjoyed it!
Loved your build and the video. Your instruction was excellent. I do need to make one comment about your rational regarding the motor and pump bases and not wanting to use shims. As a millwright and a certified vibration analyst I've seen hundreds of motor bearing failures over the years primarily due to motor shaft misalignment. The motor bearing is the weak link because of the close running tolerances. My key point here is that standard practice is that you need shims under the motor or pump feet so that you can have the ability to get the best shaft alignment possible. So for this reason I don't think intentionally eliminating shims is the best practice.
Loved your build and coincidentally I just had a forge given to me so this press just became the winter project.
Bruce
Getting my list of steel used, looked into many presses yours is within my scope...awesome job....
Good luck man, be safe
A magnetic drill would be a real game changer for your workshop. Nice build 👍
Absolutely! Thanks
30 amps at 220 volts (your switch) will max out at just under 9 hp, so even a 5 hp motor will play nice with your antique switch, lol. As for tank capacity in gallons, a quite surprising just under 7 1/2 gallons fits in a cubic foot, so a 10 gallon tank will be roughly a puny looking 12x12x18 inches (or 14 inch cube). Great build!
Thanks for the info!
@RedBeardOps just a little payback to thank you for the rebuild vid! If you do run into a need to level the press, you could just use bolts and 2 nuts at each corner (1 nut above and below each bolt down tab), and dial her in perfectly plumb. Btw, totally agree with your choice to put you die "pinch point" right around hip/navel height, it's a great low effort working height
Just a few notes on the hydraulics (maybe you addressed them and i missed it), you don't need thread sealant on basically any threads that aren't tapered. Usually, straight threads aren't what seals in the oil. If they don't have an o-ring, they'll usually seal with a metal cone in the middle. Also, be very careful using any black iron pipe and fittings unless you know they're rated for the pressures you're using.
Thanks for the tips!
It would be great to see “real time” video of this press drawing out. It’s hard to get an idea of what the performance would be like if the video is sped up. It’s hard to find any videos of a press being used online without the video sped up…..
This is a great build, great improvements,
ua-cam.com/video/qwGdKEtOhrk/v-deo.html - I think I have some shots in that one
Thanks Kent
That IS a really nice weld. Bravo.
THanks!
I want to start out by saying thank you very much for not only taking the time to do this but for also sharing it with all of us for free. I really appreciate you and your channel. I am following along with building my own one of these and I have watched your video many times but I do not see where you use the Hose Barb Fitting. Can you tell me where it is that I need it and what size I need to get it? Your link just sends me to the page where I have 4 options. Again thank you for what you have done here, it's been a huge help!
Gosh, I gotta be honest, this was so long ago that I don't remember the finer details. You'll have to research your specific hoses and fittings.
@@RedBeardOps I'm in the final phase of putting together my press. I figured out what the barbed fitting is for. It's for the red Suction Hose (3/4''). I assume we don't see you using it in your video because it was already put on in your past build. So if anyone in the future needs to know what one to order it is the 3/4 one if they order the 3/4 red suction hose. I wonder why you have two red suction hoses in your parts used list. You only use the 3/4 one in your video. I ordered both of them thinking that everything on your list I needed but it seems the 1" red hose is not needed. Also, I needed three 3/4'' x 3/4'' 90 Swivel. In your parts list you only have two listed. It might be helpful for future users to know that. Thanks again for doing this. I am almost done with my press thanks to your video.
@@sankojin I think I put them both in there since some systems could use either. Sorry if it was confusing. Glad your build is going ok! Cheers!
@@RedBeardOps I have everything done except the forging dies. I was wondering what material did you make your dies from? Also, did you ever make a foot pedal for this? I have been trying to think of a way to make one for it and I am not sure how to do it. The first time I turned my press on I was just like you in your video. I was standing as far back as I could and trying to use the press. Thanks again for doing this and also for answering my questions.
@@sankojin I just used mild steel, they've been holding up decent. You can for sure go more extreme here if wanted.
I haven't made the foot pedal yet... on the list...
Glad you're getting your press up and running! Good luck with the rest of your build!
What a great press. Can't wait to see how easy it makes it for you to make damascus.
Thank you sir! Glad you like it. I can't wait either!
Great show I’m half way through building my press and a few idea I didn’t think of
Awesome, good luck Christian!
Really enjoyed this video and parts list. I really appreciate it and it will definitely be helpful seeing as im educating myself and getting ready to try a build
Glad it was helpful! Be safe with your build! Lots of pressure.
I really like your creative tool use!
Thank you! Cheers!
Fireball Tools make some fantastic things
They sure do!
Fantastic video! I learned a ton and regret building our powerhammer instead of a press... but it was far cheaper.
thanks for all the work and lessons learned, you have helped me tremendously, Thank you for sharing as well, you did not have to and I appreciate it. I did not find the parts list, I am interested in the hydraulic pump and electric motor you use. Thanks again
Hey Tony, the parts are in my video description (depending on your device, this can bee in different places under the video.). Glad it helped! Be safe with your build!
That chop saw is a beast....
Darn right it is! Cheers man
Excellent build! I wish I had room for one of these in my shop
Cheers from Canada
Thank you very much! Cheers back at you from Texas!
Congratulations on the job. May I know the characteristics of the pump and the piston? Thank you
Hey Carlo, I put some links in the video's description. Cheers
I would like to turn my log splitter turned press vertically instead of horizontal and ankle high, probably going to buy a shorter cylinder, but, evidently, to get it right and tight, i need a few more things, like lots more practice stick welding, something to make machine type tolerances, and probably something that cuts better than a cut-off wheel in a chop saw, skil saw, or 4" hand grinder.
Am also thinking quick disconnect hoses for being able to use the original cylinder for a hoist.
Good luck with your build Bill! Be safe!
Well done Red Beard love the thought that goes into home building ,making do with what you have ( mini mill ), looks real tidy now
Think I will subscribe and watch more
Cheers from Aus
Thank you greatly Iain! Cheers from Texas
Awesome guide and build. Only concern is the guidance. How much space do you have between the frame and moving block? Have you experienced any problems when pressing off-center? Anything you would build different one year later?
Hey Kurt, The C-channel helps keep everything tight. When I originally welded the traveling block together (back in like 2006); I clamped the C-channel to the guide rails and welded in place. So it's pretty tight. I think an improvement would be to increase the length (height) of these C-channels extending up even to the height past the cylinder. All that being said, this thing has been working great for me.
I bet there is also an improved solution with bronze wear plates as well (adjustable with set screws)... and replaceable.
Wauw that's insanely impressive. Just found your channel and I'm really enjoying it 😃👍
Heck yeah! Welcome aboard Anders. Glad you enjoyed it
Excellent name. Viking!!
Tasty press with loads of info...........just whats needed, thankyou.
Thank you greatly Tasty! Cheers
just found your channel and really like the video, thank you for the knowledge.
Thanks for watching!
That turned out great! Your new shop is looking awesome!
Thank you! It's coming along for sure. Cheers!
Great video! Any chance you have an updated link for the motor?
Hey man, I'd probably consider a motor like this one. amzn.to/3zlDhFx
Single Phase, wired 220, 3450RPM. This one is 5HP. Has a 5/8 shaft.
Hello there the link to the cylinder says that cylinder is no longer available can you give a suggestion for another one that's not supper expensive like 250ish bucks I'm new to all this and don't know what I'm looking for
I'd advise doing your own research, but this one was on my list. Note I don't have any experience with it. amzn.to/3A1vzR5
Life protip if you have a pre drill hole you want to enlarge, you can use a the same size as the hole saw bolted inside the larger hole!
Man, great vid, Bud! Appears it’s time for a magnet drill though 😁 I own that mini mill also and it is NOT fun to move around...
For real!
Great Press and vid of everything, really enjoyed watching this thanks for sharing it.
Glad you enjoyed it! Have a great weekend sir!
where the motor and pump are mounted how high up is that shelf from the floor ? and the width ? thanks just asking so my hoses dont come up short should be starting fabrication next week thanks james
The top of the shelf is about 25'' from the ground
@@RedBeardOps awesome thanks how is your press working out for you ? I cant wait to get mine built will keep you posted appreciate everything you have posted
@@Anderson-HandForged Working great. Well, actually now it's kinda in storage since i'm moving. But it was working great
I wish there was a video just dedicated towards the hydraulic set up because I’m totally new to this.
It can be daunting for sure. I'd study the diagram if I were you
Nice! I really appreciate you sharing this!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Try to push your welds instead of dragging. One of the biggest tips that helped me! 👍🏼👍🏼
Thanks for the tip!
Amazing work!!! Regards from Argentina 🇦🇷
Thank you! Cheers!
Just a tip on the cold saw...don't cut anything of any thickness, as the blades don't last anytime at all. I went the cold saw after burning out 6 Abrasive drop-saws, and one of those type saws!
Thanks Sam, I've been loving mine!
Great narration, great fabrication, faultless
Thank you! Cheers David
Fantastic job making your hydraulic press
Thank you very much!
Does the 4X4 tubing handle roughly the same amount of power as using I-beam? I see lots made with I-beams but square tubing seems more readily available to me.
I have not run these calculations. Haven't had any issues on my end.
Awesome build. Thanks for the walk through.
You bet! Thanks!
Well done and thanks for the parts/plans.
Thanks Justin!
Great video im working on a press for my channel ....the reason your getting more pressure is because the pump is only 11 gpm before it has a load on it once 500 psi builds it drop down to 2 or 3 gpm. If it was 11 gom all the time your motor wouldn't be able to handle it....great job man
Thanks man, and glad you enjoyed the build.
Do you think that a 5 - 7.5-gallon tank would work well enough?
I'm not an expert here... when I did a little research on tank sizes it all came back with 'get the biggest you can buy/afford/fit'
Hello, I am designing a forge press using the same cylinder, I was wondering if you could please let me know what the outside diameter is of the cylinder so I can work around the fitment with the cylinder.
Hey Ethan, I'm not close to my shop right now... Not sure on the dimensions. I think you may be able to find it in the product guide on Northern
@@RedBeardOps that’s alright, just whenever you get a chance that would be great. I looked on northern but just found the bore diameter, pin to pin center on center distance and of course the stroke. Nothing for the outside dimensions
Very excellent video and content. Thank you for sharing the details and explanation so freely.
Glad it was helpful!
Great information and generous with your plans! Thank you!!
Glad it was helpful! Cheers Steve!
Great video. Thanks for all the effort you put into making us understand. One question - the valve specify in your description isn't available on Amazon. Are you aware of another one on amazon that would do the same thing?
Hey Tim, I know a few people have had issue with the valve. I'm fairly sure they have to be modified/bypassed to move the cylinder in both directions (this is a standard feature on the prince valuve but isn't intuitive). I'd advise contacting prince and asking them what model number you should order for your application. The one I bought was from over 10 years ago.