Why I bought an RTX 4090 to play Skyrim Legendary Edition in VR with a Pimax 8KX VR headset
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- Опубліковано 4 жов 2024
- This video is for the Skyrim LE fanatics who like to play it in VR, with the Vorpx software, especially if they use a Pimax 8KX in its native 4K resolution. My previous graphics card was an RTX 3090, and now I will show you what you can increase in performance if you upgrade to the new RTX 4090.
I can see why you bought it. You definitely need an RTX 4090 to carry and handle those melons. In fact, you need at least two RTX 4090 for each melons to have better fps.
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Nice video, you deserve more subs.
And congrats on that card! What a beast
Thank you!
This is the third time I've posted this response... but it's not stored. I had to make a new post.... responding to the post below.
Ok... in the meantime I signed up for your kindness and availability. My current PC has a gtx980, i7 5930k, 16 ram, with 150 mods, especially npc(population) increase, many vegetation mods, increase in enemies, and HDT physics. Some time ago I tried to see if it was possible to put a 1080ti but reading forums it would have created a bottleneck for me due to the CPU. In general I get an average of 35-40 fps outdoors, and 55-58 indoors which can drop with many enemies on screen. For example in Riften, which has a tripled population for mods, I can drop to 20-25 fps. Now what I would like is to build a new PC that allows me to play not only SE\AE and possibly other games but also my modded LE... maybe it's possible.... ?
what do you think about it ?
I should get a new PC by the end of the year.... maybe I'll ask you for advice if it doesn't bother you.
No problem! Skyrim companions always help each other, and for me, talking about Skyrim is one of the best things to talk about.
What's outdated on your PC (when it comes to Skyrim) is first your processor and then your graphics card. Let me first explain why Skyrim, Fallout 4 and Starfield are very CPU-intensive games.
Skyrim is a game loaded with something called draw calls. Search UA-cam, and you will know what a draw call is. And unfortunately, Skyrim is also full of scripts! These two things overload, and how!, the CPU. These two "defects" of Skyrim are typical of Bethesda RPGs, and that is why Fallout 4 in 2015 and Starfield in 2023 are also very CPU-heavy RPGs.
Haters of Bethesda's RPGs will come here and say that it's because it's a dated game engine, but this just shows how these haters (and even some famous UA-camrs) don't understand anything about game engines. Bethesda's RPGs use a game engine that allows you to do a bunch of mods that no other game engine allows. This game engine, which is always evolving without losing its main features that make it unique, also allows the player to interact with many of the game's scenario elements, unlike what happens with most other games.
A game engine that is the opposite of all this is precisely the one used by Bethesda to make the Doom franchise games. In Doom games, draw calls and scripts are kept to a minimum. Why? For the game to be light on the CPU and even on the graphics card, allowing you to easily obtain many FPS, as this game is a point and shoot.
And what is the consequence of this? You have no NPCs; the story is a succession of combat arenas, with some intermediate animations to tell some parts of the story; your path in the game is linear; and you cannot interact with the elements of the scenario. If someone thinks it would be possible to make an interesting RPG with the Doom game engine, it's because they don't understand anything about how different game engines work.
That said, with Skyrim LE your first bottleneck is the CPU, especially when you load the game with a lot more NPCs. Therefore, your first upgrade will have to be the CPU and I highly recommend it be an Intel CPU, as AMD CPUs are weak in games with a lot of draw calls (that's why even today, Intel CPUs perform better in games like Starfield than AMD CPUs, even considering the latest generation processors from both brands).
However, be warned that the GTX 980 (I had two in SLI mode to play Skyrim in 4K, before buying the GTX 1080Ti) can be short if you want to play Skyrim in 1080p with modes that are quite heavy, especially with 4k or even 8k textures. And if we use mods that alter the weather and introduce lots of raindrops, get ready to see your CPU and graphics card completely overloaded, even at 1080p!
I advise you to first upgrade the CPU to an Intel no lower than 12th gen (minimum 12700K) and if money is tight, later upgrade the graphics card to something modern with at least (minimum!) 12GB of VRAM. It's just that once you have a better PC, you'll also want to try Starfield, especially when it goes on sale prices.
And after that, think about increasing the resolution and size of the monitor. As I said before, wanting to update everything at once is very expensive. I strongly suggest updating in phases, depending on your financial resources.
Note that, when you increase the resolution, the demand for more space in the computer's RAM for textures will be greater, especially when you go to 4K, so in Skyrim LE you will possibly have more CTD in areas with many NPCs, since each NPC takes up a lot of RAM space and Skyrim LE is restricted to the roughly 3.1 GB of RAM, inherent in a game engine that is still 32-bit. For me, the place with the most CTDs due to excess NPCs was always Riverwood, especially when I loaded its Inn with a lot of followers.
I would nobody recommend to play Skyrim with VorpX since we have a native option with SkyrimVR. The "benefits" of the LE and AE version are absolutely negligible.
I wouldn't recommend it either to someone who really don't know very well these games and just want's to know how is the experience of to play it in VR. And also I must say that I play this Skyrim LE in VR, with the VorpX, in a seated position, something I think it's not possible to be done yet with Skyrim VR. And why I play seated? Well, I will answer that question and why I still play Skyrim LE in VR with Vorpx on another video.
I'm waiting until dlss3 becomes more prominent in games and they fix V-sync latency issues with Dlss3, before I pay for a rtx 40 series card
continue from the post below.....Thank you for your availability and for explaining things I didn't know. It may seem strange to you but I'm not very interested in having a PC that works at 4k; with my current PC, at 1080, I don't have many CTDs (the ones I have are in the transition areas from one cell to another), and the areas load quite quickly despite the many PNGs added, perhaps because I reduced them all to 1k the textures of the game. I only have fps drops in some scenes with many pngs in combat. But despite this I feel the need for a new PC and when I do I will buy all the components together, perhaps with your help in deciding which components. A question: I have vsync active.... is that right?....I have more than 200,000 instances scripts (seen with Falrim tools).... its ok? next time I will tell you my needs better.... to understand a little more.
Sorry for the delay in responding.
Starting with V-Sync, yes, you can and should have it active, because it will reduce image tearing. Many players think that by disabling V-Sync and thus gaining some FPS, especially in lighter passages of the game, they can get a more fluid image, but they are often wrong! Skyrim's game engine is made to work at the 60Hz rate of monitors (don't forget that this was the norm in 2011!), so the only thing you should worry about is having a video card with a lot of memory that guarantees you 60FPS in any place of this game. If you want to see a Skyrim mod that is very heavy on the CPU and graphics card, install Midwood Isle. When your computer can do 60FPS anywhere on Midwood Isle, then you know you have a computer powerful enough to run any mod for Skyrim.
I lost my Skyrim save games about a year ago, because I discovered that they had an incorrect embedded script that caused me to have a CTD when I tried to access the Soul Cairn. I lost about 6 and a half years of gaming!
This is why my game currently only has 81612 script instances, 5197 script definitions and 4 active scripts, with a papyrus size of 6.3MB.
However, on December 29, 2017, in a savegame that for me became a reference point when I wanted to recover a save game that I thought was safe, I had 222173 script instances, 8442 script definitions, 18 active scripts and a papyrus size of 13.9MB. And after that the number of scripts and the size of papyrus even increased. So, to answer your question, 200,000 script instances is already a lot!
And yes, my CTDs also happened when I entered some cells. This is why I say be careful with how many unique NPCs you have for each cell.
Nowadays, it's been weeks or even months since I've played Skyrim. My current game is Starfield.
@@letsplayskyrimle9391 Thanks for the reply, and don't worry reply when you can....
I forgot to mention that I install mods manually... and sometimes it's difficult for me to remove some mods, but when I have to play a mod that I then remove I have a save that I resume when finished. I intend to play Midwood Isle in the autumn( I've already translated it into my language, Italian) then I'll see. For the scripts I have I don't think I can do anything.... however I have 10 active ones and the papyrus is 11mb. I'll see how it goes when I start playing again, now it's hot as hell here and I don't even turn on the PC. I'll get in touch when I decide to buy the new PC for advice. Thanks again.
Me here waiting for 3060 price to drop😑
HI, you shall try installing my mods list I can run at 60 fps smooth with a reverb g2 and 500% super sampling and in game super sampling that i estimate at 65%.
at the beginning of the video there's the deploy and loard order for mods and plugins. That will drastically change how skyrim looks. THE RTX 4090 and a skyrim VR with reverb g2- jedi trees, blubbode's trees
Hi! Keep in mind that the game you see where is not the Skyrim VR released by Bethesda in 2011, but the Skyrim Legendary Edition, the original 32 bit, played in VR with Vorpx, which is much more heavy on the CPU and GPU. I'm planning to try again Skyrim VR on Christmastime. Anyway, thanks for your information. I will see it with more detail when I return to Skyrim VR
Thanks for the benchmark. Can you please do a comparison using Skyrim VR (with those great mods) if you have it too since I expect that is how most people play Skyrim in VR. Why do you choose LE with VORPX vs. Skyrim VR version (with motion controllers and all VR-specific mods), out of curiosity, since I never even considered this way?
Hello, Volodymyr. I'll try to do a comparison between Skyrim LE in VR, using Vorpx, with the real Skyrim VR, more around Christmastime, when I hope to have more time available. This video alone took me almost 3 days to make! However, you can already see a video of Skyrim VR played with an RTX 4090 and a VR headset Pimax 8KX, on the Doofersmith1911's UA-cam video channel. Search the UA-cam for "Skyrim VR MODDED(8k textures/ENB) on RTX 4090 and Pimax 8KX".
You may not believe it, but my Skyrim LE has almost no mods that change the landscape, furniture or objects. And I don't use any ENB (it's incompatible with the Vorpx). I know that in this video the colours and contrast look richer than in the regular game, but that's an artefact of the video capture done by MSI Afterburner. So, what you see there is almost all vanilla Skyrim.
The mods I use are essentially NPC body changes (I use CHSBHC for female NPCs), dozens of armour changes or new armour for CHSBHC female bodies, bodies and armour physics changes (HDT Physics Extensions and Loremonger With Collisions), adult animations (FNIS, Sex Framework and a lot of adult animations that you can find on the Sexlab website), vanilla followers (Taipan's Vanilla Follower's All in One and a few others) and many mods that extend Skyrim's adventures (Falskaar , Wyrmstooth, Helgen Reborn, Beyond Skyrim: Bruma and many others). Except for the animation mods and many of the armours for CHSBHC, all these mods can be found on the Nexusmods website, which I think you already know.
In this video, the follower you see there is Sottanna, The Nightingale, a fully vanilla follower (non-vanilla followers eat a lot of memory in a 32-bit game) and the armour she uses is the Dandelion Armour, which, if I remmeber correctly, you can find it on the Sexlab website.
As for why I play Skyrim in VR using Skyrim LE, with the Vorpx, instead of the real Skyrim VR... Well, that's a very long conversation, which I'll probably have in the video I plan to do for Christmastime. One of the reasons is some mods that don't work in Skyrim SE and Skyrim VR, such as mods that involve body and armour physics from HDT-LE, but there are also some things in Skyrim VR that I don't like (mainly related to the use of motion commands in VR and some third view animations that are missing). I hope to talk about it in a next video. But, yes, Skyrim LE in VR, with VorpX, should be more heavy on the CPU and graphics card then the real Skyrim VR. That's why I want to try again Skyrim VR.
@@letsplayskyrimle9391 HI ! I remember that already in 2019 there were body mods supporting body physics. There are probably even better ones now. I played the vr version with pimax 4k and 5k+
I have 4090 and was wondering about skyrim. I have PSVR and skyrim is amazing on that. I confused as to why you need all this power for skyrim vr on pc. Ive done cyberpunk in vr and that makes sense lol its demanding. I have reverb g2.
With Skyrim VR launched by Bethesda, you don't need all this power. You can play at 4K with an RTX 3090 or possible an RTX 3080 with all settings at max, probably with an i7-10600 or 10700K. This is Skyrim LE on VR with Vorpx. Read the previous messages, and you will begin to understand why is so heavy.
So I also have the Crystal and for the first time I want to play the SkyRim VR . I downloaded the 2023 Min overhaul mods and it’s working but I’m having problems getting the Crystal Controllers to work with the SkyRim ? Is there anyway you can explain what I need to do to get the controllers to work ? I can’t move or anything except maybe using the trigger to goto settings . I am using the VRIK and the VR settings under movement I have direct movement also have the headset set to Handle Index Simulation . I tried using the Oculus binding settings as well the index settings nothing works .
I'm sorry, but I can't help you. I only have the original HTC Vive controllers and they always worked without problems, even with the Pimax 8KX. Are you sure you configured these commands correctly in Pitool? Do they work in other VR games?
Also try the Pimax forums (pimax.com/forum/). They may take some time to respond, but they are usually a good help.
@@letsplayskyrimle9391 so I’m guessing you used Pimax 8 so should be the same controllers . So what you think I’m doing wrong ? When I goto steam vr settings it has 2 bindings I can use which is one for Oculus and one for the VRIK I tried both bindings for the controllers and still the same I can’t walk or buttons don’t work ? Am I missing something else ?
no mods with 20 fps wtf?
Please, read the video description. That's the game in VR at 4K per eye, using Vorpx (VorpX is very, very heavy), on one of the most heavy places of the game (Falkreath Tower). If you see the entire video carefully, you will see that I also run this game out VR, at stable 60 FPS on the same place. And there are some mods in it! The images that you see at Midwood Isle are from a mod, in fact a very heavy mod, a true nightmare of draw calls (and an excellent way to test any CPU). Try it!
Is it better to use a 4090 for skirim LE without WR... or is it better to use a 4080... since I have to change video card?
Not using VR, I can play Skyrim LE at 8K, with iMultisample=16 (configured in SkyrimPrefs.ini), which is absurd!, with frames stable at 60. With my previous RTX 3090, I had to set iMultisample = 0 (i.e. antialiasing was disabled) to get the stable 60FPS. Furthermore, the VRAM used does not exceed 8GB, but this depends on the mods you have installed.
That said, an RTX 4080 is enough to play Skyrim LE at 8K. However, if you want to go for Skyrim SE and use mods with very heavy textures (4k, 8k and even 16k textures), then be prepared to buy a graphics card with 24GB of VRAM. There's a video on UA-cam of a Japanese guy who plays Skyrim SE, I don't remember if in 4K or 8K resolution, with a lot of very heavy texture mods, and he manages to almost completely fill the 24GB of VRAM on an RTX 4090.
@@letsplayskyrimle9391 Thanks, playing LE at 1080 would be enough for me, since I would have to build a new PC I wanted to know if 4080 was enough, or should I get a 4090 which seems excessive for 1080.
If anything, I would switch to AE later, now I have mods that I like on LE, which are not on SE, also for this reason I would like to build a new PC. What do you think ?
@@massimoc6219 Even an RTX 4080 is excessive for playing Skyrim at 1080p. And an RTX 4090 to play at 1080p is throwing money away.
An old GTX 1080Ti is enough to play Skyrim LE at 1080p, even with heavy mods. I know this because it was the graphics card I used until November 2020, when I replaced it with an RTX 3090. And I used the GTX 1080Ti to play Skyrim at... 4k!
Why would you want to keep playing 1080p? I currently use a 42" 4K monitor (an LG 42C3 TV), which is about 60cm (24") from my eyes and I wonder if I was wrong in not opting for the 48" version of this TV, since the larger the image in front of you, the more you feel in the game. And an RTX 4080 or an RTX 4090 is useful for playing in 4K or even 8K, in the case of older games like Skyrim.
And don't worry about the fact that Skyrim is a 2011 game. With the high-resolution texture pack released by Bethesda, the game is still very good visually, even when the image in front of you is very large.
I also play the Skyrim LE version because there are mods that I like that are not available for the SE version. And there are more people who opted for the LE version of Skyrim for the same reason. However, I confess that the SE version has tempting advantages, one of which is the absence of the memory limit that affects the LE version and which is the main cause of my CTD.
If you want to increase your immersion in Skyrim, consider increasing the resolution and image size to as much as your budget allows. But don't be in a hurry! If I have a good computer today, it's because I built it little by little, over the years.
@@letsplayskyrimle9391 Thanks and I just signed up for your kindness. At the moment I have an old pc with gtx 980 and I7 5930k, and with 150 even relatively heavy mods, addition of npc, many vegetation mods, etc... I get an average of 40 fps outdoors which can drop to 25-30 when I have many enemies or NPCs (even more than 30 at a time).... or when I go to Riften which has tripled population for mods. Indoors I almost have a fixed 58 fps (blocked). Since I have to change PC but I didn't want to give up my modified Skyrim (each mod installed manually) I was looking for someone who played Skyrim LE with better performing PCs. And I found you. So the new PC should let me play with Skyrim SE\AE.... but also with LE that I modified. I don't know if this is possible.... maybe yes... what do you think?,
Possibly I will ask you for information when I decide on the new PC... I think for the end of the year.
Ps: I was thinking of changing the 980 to the 1080ti but my system doesn't allow it... and I would have a bottleneck due to the processor... which is already the weakest element of my PC.
I'll write to you again... if it doesn't bother you.
@@letsplayskyrimle9391 Thanks, and I signed up because you were very kind.
I was looking for someone who played Skyrim LE with new high-performance PCs and I found you. Now I have a PC with gtx980 and intel i7 5930k cpu and 16 Ram, with 150 mods that add a lot of population, a lot of vegetation, and many more enemies, more mods of HDT physics. I get an average of 35-40 fps outdoors, 58 fps indoors (locked in video card setting), which can drop to 45-50 with many enemies. I had tried to get a 1080ti years ago but it doesn't work with rest of the components and it would have caused bottleneck due to my processor. Now I would like to assemble a new PC but one that allows me to play not only SE\AE.... also my modified Skyrim LE.... I don't know if it's possible... maybe yes... What do you think?
I should buy the new PC by the end of the year..... I'll ask you for advice if necessary... if it doesn't bother you.
Does pimax work with lot of vr mod games?
Pimax runs on SteamVR, so it works with any game that uses SteamVR, regardless of whether that game uses mods. This means that games you play on Valve Index, HP Reverb 1 or 2, HTC Vive Pro 1 and 2, and other VR headsets that use SteamVR, are also compatible with Pimax.
The big problem with the Pimax 8KX is that due to its high resolution and because it uses two screens that are arranged at an angle (instead of being parallel), in order to increase the field of view (FOV), this implies using in some games, which they were not designed for VR and\or for such a large FOV, a mode of use called parallel projections, which puts a lot of strain on the computer (penalizes performance by about 2/3 or more). If you have a computer that isn't truly high-end, the Pimax 8KX might not be the best VR experience.
To make things even more difficult, the process of adjusting the image in VR to a person's eyes, in the Pimax 8KX is time-consuming and requires experience, and sometimes very different configurations from those used with other VR helmets. I'd say it's a VR headset for the fanatic VR gamer, especially when he wants a great FOV. That's what happens to me.
What you see here is the Pimax 8KX using software called VorpX, which allows you to play in VR, or in big screen mode, many games that weren't designed for VR. Even Cyberpunk 2077 can be played in VR (seated and with mouse and keyboard) using this Vorpx. VR image quality will vary from game to game, with Skyrim Legendary Edition being one of the games where 3D image representation in VR is very, very good.
Unfortunately, it is not possible to show a real 3D image on UA-cam, as I see it on Pimax, because if it were possible, I would even do live showing what that experience is like, for people who cannot spend so much money on a setup like this could share in that pleasure. Furthermore, I have already played this Skyrim LE at 8K resolution in VR, with this VorpX software (yes, the RTX 4090 is very overloaded, but you can try it for a while) and the 3D image is even more enhanced, in such a way that you have the feeling that you are not even seeing an artificial image in a VR helmet, but that you are actually there!
As for mods, as you might already know, especially in the old Skyrim LE, there's almost everything! Obviously, if you use very image-heavy mods like ENB, that will reflect even more on this game when played in VR with VorpX. However, with Bethesda's Skyrim VR, performance seems to be much better, and you should be able to use the mods that were made for Skyrim Special Edition (SE), which, before long, should outnumber those for Skyrim LE. I advise you to see what mods are available for games by checking the site nexusmods.com and then check the VorpX site and confirm that this software is compatible with the game you want to try.
Finally, I would like to point out again that the success of the VR image will depend on the game, and in some games the most you will be able to see will be a 2D big screen image (personally it is something that I do not like to see in a VR headset, as I get better results with a 40" 4K monitor).
Im getting Pimax Crystal over pimax 12k for distortion free and extra cleariry. I used to have pimax 5k plus back in 2018 from Kickstarter but had some software issue and game compatible issue so i sold it right away but im sure pimax team corrected by now. Thanks for the reply
Why not just play skyrim vr, it also has boob mods.
Skyrim VR does not support HDT-LE (only HDT-SMP, which is very demanding on the CPU) and cannot be played sitting down using keyboard and mouse (as far as I know). I use VR just to get a really 3D image.