Why Nobody Is Buying Graphics Cards Anymore
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- Опубліковано 17 лют 2023
- It genuinely seems like manufacturers may have over extended or over estimated how much people were willing to pay for new hardware as people are showing no interested in these recently released graphics cards nor are they excited for what’s coming in the future. There was no reason out there to justify the insane price hikes we’ve gotten for the latest hardware from Nvidia and AMD. Inflation plays a role for sure but to hike up cards by around $400 from the last gen is ridiculous. The hype has been killed. Hardly anyone is buying these new cards. People have tuned out from the market they’re choosing the used market, staying with what they have, and looking at alternatives like the console market.
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When a gpu is nearly a rent payment, it makes it hard to justify. Especially when a new one will be out in 1-2 years.
To be fair, the production cost of wafers are increasing exponentially, as the transistor size goes down. Maybe, instead of trying to go lower every few years, try doing better collab with software developers to optimize performance.
Holy crap. GPU's cost way more than my rent. Your area must be pricy.
A new one is always out in 1-2 years.
@@over9000optimally rent where I'm at is $3000- $5000 and climbing
@@ToreOnUA-cam why they don't release more older gen GPUs at affordable rate?
There was *never* a graphics card more than 500 bucks I was tempted to buy. The companies are nuts!
Exactly.. Just bought an beautiful white edition zotac 3060 with 12gb and it's fast enough for me as I'm not really a gamer. Great card got it for 350.
I never got it myself
"So this RTX 3090 can do true 4K with ray tracing and high settings?"
"Yes"
"then what can this 4070/80/90/ti do that it cannot?"
"It... costs more?"
They've got to be incredibly mad/stupid/greedy to think the prices they ask relative to what these cards bring to the table is worth it.
Yeah. PS5s MSRP is less than $600, i'd rather buy that than build a gaming PC. My PS4 is still alive all these years after i bought it 10 years ago. I won't be surprised if PS5 will also survive that long, maybe i'd buy one once i find a new game that i am willing to spend money on.
I wonder when a card like rtx 3090 will go down to 500 bucks? Maybe 3 years more? Then I'll prob get it cause it can run 4k smoothly.
@coops1992 Given inflation combined with everytbing else going on, 5 years is the probably time things get reasonable again. That is, of course, hinged on the USD not falling off the fucking earth even more than all it has which given what's happening in the world is HIGHLY likely at this point so.....its gonna be a long time.
the problem with the high end gpu market, is that you can get an entire desktop PC system (with a good video card) for what they are asking for a single video card.
So whats the problem then. If you can get an entire pc and a good video card for the same price then theres no problem.
@@jebes909090I was able to get a pc with a 3070 but it was my first pc. Lots of ppl are just trying to upgrade pcs that they already have so it’s kinda outrageous that 1 upgrade could go for the price of their whole pc
@@jebes909090 The industry has the problem.
@@hyhhy the entire world has a problem, not an optional part industry. Good luck trying to buy a house. The price has increased 5-10x in the past ten years. Grocieries cost 5-10x as much. Gas has increased 2-3x.
What country do you live, jebes?
I'm still rocking my 1080 Ti. It works great for 1080p gaming. I would really enjoy an upgrade, but I can't justify the cost because I just dont have much time to play games anymore.
Same 😂 Still rocking the 1080 and it's fine, I don't need any more
Same, was a mad card when I got it. Years ago but beside the point. Lol
@1986tessie yeah man I felt like a total badass for ten minutes, then a better card released 🤣
Still banging my 1080ti, no problems with gaming. The only issues I have are when I try to upscale certain games to like 200x resolution with everything else also set on ultra lol
I still have my 1070ti an it does the job well even today
I remember when the most powerful cards were an eyewatering £400. Now you can pay double that and still be 2 or 3 tiers below the flagship card.
@@SgtShnackendale There's just no point in going for flagships anymore. They cost silly money just because they can. But even the tiers below are about a third to double what they should really be priced at. Crypto miners really fucked us all over and now card manufacturers are refusing to put up with demands for reasonable value. 4060 is a joke compared to the 3060.
I bought an Nvidia 8800GTX when they came out for around £450, it was the 2nd most powerful card on the market after the 8800 Ultra!
Well, I remember paying around 300 Euro for 4 mb of ram. Yes, megabytes not gigabytes. Pricing adjusted roughly to inflation and back then I payed around 4000 for an office desktop pc.
@@michaelkores6860 yes but that's how things should be, getting cheaper over time, unlike graphics cards
@@towngirlz the 8800 GTX was a beast. I remember that thing still kicked ass in 2012-2013.
It's like nVidia and AMD are actively trying to kill PC gaming.
... and it's working. I have no interest in buying a new GPU anytime soon and I use to upgrade and buy new hardware on an 'as and when' basis.
@@b0rg1010 having joined the PC master race in 1994, I remember back then it seemed like every six months to a year there was a new graphics card or processor that blew away the last one... the pace of improvement has stagnated over the past couple of decades to the point where we're using hardware that's a few generations back and it's still "fine." I haven't seen so much "upgrade inertia" since the late 80's (when I was watching the market from behind a Commodore 64) when people had Turbo XT's with Hercules or CGA displays and upgrading to EGA or VGA was a major jump for them, and the 386 was out of reach financially. If anything, it's worse because of the stagnation of real wages (and thus disposable income) for the majority.
Maybe that is the new world order
they clearly want you to buy a console instead, never been a better time to get a ps5, especially with all the crap pc ports of late. Guess I can always use my pc for non demanding indy titles
no such thing. nvidia and AMD are just try to milk those that are thinking pc gaming is all about PCMR. years ago they also PC gaming is dead because console in so much better in certain aspect. and yet PC gaming still live to this day. all this new expensive hardware only going to piss hardware enthusiast that like to upgrade on more regular basis because now it is very expensive to do so.
I think we also need to consider that the most popular games on PC right now are free-to-play esport games like Fortnite, Valorant, Apex and so on. And all of these run at 200 frames or more on pretty much every modern GPU, even on some APUs. The bigger market has no reason to change.
Yes this right here. The developers know this. The more people can play a game, the more money they get. So of course the game can be played on years old hardware.
Also the most AAA nowadays are just right shit. The most played games are all years old. The market is just oversaturated.
Yes i agree,people complain about prices but if youre on a 1080p or even a 1440p monitor... a 500 dollar gpu will pump out great numbers.
I just bought a 6800xt for bout 500 dollars and its pumping out 144fps
People just look at the high end models and say prices are insane. But theres plenty of good gpu that will pump out numbers especially if youre on 1080p
@@appakinggg To be fair, those 500 usd GPUs are a bit overpriced at the moment. You have to look at the $300 range to find sensible prices (and my point applies completely to that range of prices, perhaps even more)
@@neoshenlong yes but inflation is too account for. Maybe people are on 6 year old gpus and look at prices but inflation is compounding. Combined with the fact it gets increasingly harder to edge oit the last bit of performances.
For sure the companies are still bastards and overpricing
6% compound inflation anually makes a 300dollar gpu, 425 dollars after 6 years... and thats just inflation calculated in. Combine covid problems, shortages...
And a 300 dollar gpu sells for 600
yaeh gen alpha gamers are normies now
Got a RTX 2070 super right before the huge spike in prices, it lets me play all the games I enjoy on high or max setting with little to no stuttering for the most part, even 3 years on. I have literally no reason to get a better card.
Same boat here, if the game developers give half a shit about optimizing the 2070 can run on high!
All fun an games till they push out a "update" that your cards can't handle
The GPU market is a great lesson on how even if there is a duopoly, the market still has to compete with other products because 1600 dollars used to buy a GPU is 1600 dollars that could be used on a trip, new hobby, fancy dinner, tickets, Steam Deck, console, etc.
People only have a certain amount of money and at some point they'll just use that money on something else.
Honestly, if it weren’t for me being a massive flight sim nut and needing to upgrade due to system bottlenecks I’d be keeping my 2080 for a long time yet. I can easily max out most games so long as RT isn’t on.
At this point I reckon if I didn’t play RTS or simulators I’d just stick with a console.
Huge amount of the market has switched back to console gaming. Or just nothing when nothing is worth playing.
@@cattysplat i don't see any statistics indicating anyone would have switched to consoles or abandoned PC gaming. just looking at steam charts the player counts for the big titles like CS, Dota, Apex, PUBG etc are all consistent. maybe you mean players of games outside of the steam platform like LoL, WoW, Fortnite and the likes jumped ship but i see no news indicating that, though to be fair other companies are way less transparent with their player numbers.
@@cattysplat if anything the player numbers for CSGO have risen from ~1M concurrent player peaks throughout 2022 to ~1.3-1.4M jan-mar 23.
lots of people coming from consoles forget that the habits of PC gamers are completely different than those of console gamers, for example a large portion of the PC gaming community just sticks with one favourite game over years, while on consoles it is common to get the "new big release" on launch day, play it for a while then move on to the next hot new thing. Buying a new Fifa or COD yearly etc. You will find people on PC doing that, but not nearly as prevalent.
@@baraka629 I switched back to consoles. The last console I had was a PS3 but now I have a PS5 and Series S. Those two combined couldn't have gotten me a decent GPU so yeah I'm out of PC gaming and my 1070 will be it for 2 or 3 more years.
During the crypto craze, Nvidia and AMD fell for the illusion that gamers want high end cards.
Most don't care as long as your card can pump out more frames than your monitor can handle.
Now that mining is dead, the performance/price is simply a massive overkill. I still have a 1650 Super and most games run fine. It feels like GPUs have reached the same kind of product maturity as smartphones.
It was always the Mid-Range and Budget gpus that sold well. Because, guess why? Most gamers are teens or young adults with limited cash flow. Steam stats says everything. Never mind that there is a global demand. It's not just North America and Western Europe that want these things.
Is mining dead? Didn't know that
@@TheMarcelo88 Things like Bitcoin run best on dedicated ASIC machines. Etherium or more precisely Ether was by far the biggest GPU-mined crypto and it changed to proof-of-stake, an economic model which eliminates the need for wasteful mining (and makes the already scammy thing more scammy but whatever)
Also most PC games aren´t PC exclusive anymore and are aimed at console specs, so any 1000$ graphics card is orders of magnitude overqualified for the job ^^
@@mafiousbjalso pc games are usually the worse ports or any game out so ppl usually buy for there console first anyways
It seems to me that the scalpocalypse kept game developers from leveraging the horsepower of the newer GPUs, since to sell games they had to accomodate people with several-year-old hardware. Then the market became flush with last gen's GPUs, those who wanted them went ahead and got them, and now there's no killer apps pushing recently sated gamers to the next generation.
Games coming out today can run passably on hardware almost a decade old. And as far as I know there's no experience on PC that requires a 4080 to enjoy.
My rtx2080 cant handle Hogwarts Legacy.
That's a good thing.
Hogwarts Legacy, Warzone 2
The only such experience is hpc calculations.
@@jamx02 a 3080 or 3090 can't run those at max graphics?
My current card is a Radeon RX 580, which I got in late 2020 before the GPU price hike and shortage. It still runs new games just fine. I mostly play indie titles and ports of older games nowadays so there's not much incentive to upgrade other than playing games in native 4K.
I have the same one lol
I have a 590, almost the same, and play every game that is realize.
Same rx580 the only real upgrade is 300+ dollar's and that's just dumb.
I have the exact graphic card. I’m debating on whether to upgrade or crossfire it.
Same build here. I'm planning on upgrading to 3060 Ti
I remember a time where you didn't have to save up for months just to buy a PC component... but now it's insane
Yeah you probably could've gotten a decent low-mid card for less than a weeks wage not too long ago.
That's because these UA-camrs are making it a trend. Then companies add more crap into to it and then the price blow up in our faces
Stimulus bill did more bad than good 😂
Now you now how hard is to get something in third world country
Have literally had a stack of parts on the table for 5 months. Gpu and mobo is $3000 combined.
Blows my mind when you can buy a full rig with a beast graphics card for just slightly more than the card you want on its own. THAT IS INSANE!
old GTX 1070 system, yeah, the PC is not worth any, the card is !
Until people stop paying the prices for the GPU’s just gonna continue and what’s even worse is the people that buy every new generation like they do with iPhones and the Samsung galaxies they don’t do anything particularly better, but he has a People that more money than brains, and they got to have a new no matter what
@@lucasRem-ku6eb 1070 is still an excellent card and still play modern games you’re not gonna be getting 300 FPS but who cares there’s still a ton of people out there using 60 Hz monitor still so via 4090 and you don’t buy a high refresh monitor what’s the point
@@South_0f_Heaven_ They needed $600 + for these cards, yeah keep it please! The issue with GTX 1070 is resolution, 1920x1080 max, it can do esports on high framerates !
Doesn't make any sense to me. Even with consoles, the price difference between a new console and a new SSD or older gen with hard drives wasn't actually that much. In some cases, the hardrives were more expensive.
I'd be building a new computer right now if prices weren't so ridiculous.
I upgraded back in 2018 to a new PC with a RTX2080. Up until then, as far as I knew, the 1080 still was up there as one of the best cards and has been for years. Picture me surprised when NVIDIA released the 3080 just 2 years later.
I’m still using my 1080 that I got on release day in 2016. Still plays most games on high on 1440p with no issues. I even beat cyberpunk when it first released with barely any issues. I have the money to upgrade to 4090 but I see no reason to.
@@15xgg80 was wondering how tf you can play cyberpunk no problem when i cant without major lag spikes but then i looked it up and say the 1080 has 8 gb vram while for whatever reason they decided 3060 mobile chips would only get 6 gb, thought i lucked out getting a 3060 laptop while desktop gpus were basically nonexistent, but the 6 gb vram and the i7 cpu only having 4 cores proves me otherwise
I was an avid hardware guy for years. Now though, once prices exponentially rose, I have tuned out of the hardware scene. I play on 1440p and am content with my old 8700k and 2080Ti. The only concession I took two years ago was to double RAM from 16 to 32 GB. I’m happy and play everything I want to play.
same, i have a 9900k overclocked 5ghz and 2080 ti, at some point i just decided everything runs badly on PC is just bad optimization & lazy devs and games just doesn't seem to be that much difference from 4 years ago either, Like it's never about optimizing the game but more like what's the top card in the market atm, devs will only optimize barely so the game is playable on THAT CARD. Most new techs are just new software tricks or dedicated hardware for specific task like tensor-core.
Still running a reg rtx 2080 I got a deal on years ago. 5800x with 32gb ddr4 and theres nothing i have a problem running at 1440 even some 4k 60ish
That's not old, and most people still don't have a 1440p monitor.
@@s2korpionic In the world of PC hardware, 2018 is old. I just stopped caring anymore, but all the people still into hardware will be happy to explain how much things have moved on since then.
Yea. I'm so old that once we hit 60FPS andn1080P I figure that's better than my old eyes (who grew up with 260 resolution TV). Was into overclocking in the 90's/2000's. Now I don't care. Wish I could find a new game that I wanted to play. My around $200 RX 580 is all I need at the moment, minus a VR set a friend gave me. Any suggestions on a open world RPG with F5 saving like Skyrim, Witcher?
I had a 1060 up until a couple of weeks ago. I now have a 3070 that I picked up used for a very reasonable price. It’s quite the difference, but to be honest, the 1060 was still holding its on pretty well. Nvidia and AMD have lost their minds with this pricing.
i might understand amd but nvidia was just being ngreedia, they keep amping up the prices so of course amd have to atleast follow a little bit or else they will just lose their market shares
They probably use the same logic as gacha game developers: they started relying on a limited but wealthy population of "whales" who always buy the best for bragging rights. Myself, I'm still running a 1080Ti, and even though I don't have ray-tracing, I don't think I'm missing out on anything really "game-changing". Based on RTX on and off images posted on the web, I consider RTX more of a gimmick than a "must have" feature.
not really , money just isnt worth what it was years ago when a high end card was only 650. speed it forward to today and that same 650 is more around 1200...lets go brandon.
so true
Nvidia ceo has dementia
I'd been wanting to upgrade my entry level graphics card for something better, now that I've gotten more experience in gaming. But, the high prices kept me playing with the one I had. Recently it started having problems, so I started looking around again. Surprisingly the prices have started going down and I picked up a new 8 gig RX6600 at a decent price. It was already discounted 20% and I added my relative's 10% discount because they work at Amazon, where I bought it. The difference in my gaming experience is HUGE and it I didn't have to mortgage the house to do it!
I remember scrounging up cheap used parts on ebay to get a decent gaming computer back in 2011-2015 it was super easy and it helped a lot of my friends get into pc gaming. Just something highschoolers could reasonably obtain if they really wanted it. No way this is the case now.
I'm worried about the very real possibility of getting laid off, and putting food on the table in the face of high inflation. I'm not worried about saving up so I can buy Jensen a new leather jacket. I don't care to run a portable space-heater PC with self-igniting cables and exotic cooling requirements, either.
Lots of things pushing me away from upgrading my PC, and honestly, I don't really care anymore.
Been there. Dread it. Maybe this will work for you too :
1) Identify long-term hardware that is dependent on costly proprietary software (John-Deere, BMW, Apple...)
2) Identify good people with complementary skills
3) Verify market by talking to some prospects
4) Do a Linux ! Develop an alternative, with essential features, requested by user, etc.
Because of corporate greed, this is a HUGE market and not likely to diminish. Stay small to avoid prosecution or become big enough to win
Most likely you don’t even need a upgrade
This shows how their tactics shrink their own market. People that used to care about buying GPU's now saw how they don't really need them as much or bought a console etc etc and got out of the habit of getting new GPU every little while and now this companies are left with a shrink market.
This will come back to bite them no matter what anyone thinks. Nvidia already has more inventory in their storage than they EVER had.
@@sayeretmatkaal Linux sucks tho
@@hihellothere9569
How? There are HUNDREDs of Linux models out there, atleast a few should satisfy ANY requirement. Or you can even make your own (LFS, Gentoo, Arch)
Or are you shilling for gates/apple? 😃
I got tired of the market manipulation. It made me realize that my need is stronger than my want.
Good cryband not have a pc
My GPU journey for the last 10 years was going from
GTX 560 to a RX 480 to a RTX 2080, which still feels like the smartest thing I've ever did. Bought the 2080 from eBay for ~350€ when the next generation came along, so I've been comfortably looking at all these prices as they went by 😅
2080 is still a kickass card... up there with 1080Ti in terms of bang for buck over many years
@@razorback0z yeah! To be honest, I feel like most of GPU power over the last couple of years goes mostly into bad optimization and being able to run games that use it for very diminishing returns..
@@razorback0zray trace is over hyped and way too early to buy in on 1080Ti is the way right now imho
When the nvidia 2000 and, not long after, 3000 series were announced (and their equivalents), I bought extras of the GPU I still use which is the gtx 1080 and 1080 TI. Got them before prices spiked. One of the best PC decisions I've ever made.
The prices are just insane for the amount of actual "upgrade" you are getting from version to version. Scalpers and Cryptominers drove the price beyond all reason for most people. It is a price point issue -- you can get people to pop out $400 if you can see a serious visual difference, but the plus $1K market is going to be small.
The employers had no idea how much it would benefit others to have their salaries raised. That is where things stopped. So now people are going to move to the recycling industry and then to other places where it will be easier for them to expect faster and more transparent money transfers.
Yep I bought and built my last PC I have around $2,500.00 tied up in it with all hardware Monitor keyboard ETC I will not need another for at least the next 6-7 years if not longer
Well no need to worry about crypto miners because eth2 is POS so no more GPU mining. So the prices should start getting back to normal within 6-8 months
This is such petulant crying. You can’t blame scalpers and cryptominers when they’re buying GPUs and then not buy any when they’re available. It’s like a child NOT playing with their toy, but suddenly wants to play the the toy when another kid plays with it.
Non-crypto consumers have a lot of options, like the RTX 20 series is so underrated and crypto mined 30 series GPUs are relatively cheap and pretty reliable.
It’s not only crypto miners fault, if it’s anyone’s fault, it’s consumers too.
@@Artholos well you can’t blame them anymore and I’m fact you can probably buy some used cards for a good price. Think LTT did a test on crypto mining cards and they ran fine and you get them for a used price
As someone who is more than overdue an upgrade (still running a 1070), the thing that's putting me off is that many of the AAA titles being benchmarked on a 4070ti or 4080 aren't achieving amazing results and so these cards don't look massively future proof. If I spend £1000-£1200 on a card I want it to last me about 6 years. Plus, a lot of recent games just don't appeal to me so it's hard to justify the purchase. I'll just wait until this thing completely packs up and then get something mid-range.
Bro, I am sorry, but what are you talking about?
I went from RTX 3070 (which scorches your 1070) to 4080, which scorches my RTX 3070.
From 1080p to 1400p I saw leaps and bounds on my GeForce 1080 to RTX 3070 upgrade. I also had 1070ti, and 3070 scorches both of them.
You have 1070 and talking about "4070ti or 4080 aren't achieving amazing results"
Go buy RTX 4090, that scorches RTX 4080 if you want that insane improvement, but stop spreading misinformation. RTX 3070 obliterates your 1070, let alone 4080
I fully agree. 12gbs on the 4070 ti isn't going to be enough long term. 16gbs won't last much longer. Better off going for the 7900xt for that 20gbs of vram.
Yup. None of the cards are able to max settings all games at 4K120. 😪
@righteousone8454 what he is saying is, given that he is paying 1200 for a card it should at least last for 6 years max settings AAA games at max settings 140+ fps 4k since, since 4k is the new max resolution and for the 1080p of 2016, when the max tier card cost 700 was maxing everything and was priced lower even accounting for inflation
@@righteousone8454 you clearly don’t know what op was talking about. Op wasn’t saying that the latest GPUs don’t demolish their 3070. Op was saying the latest cards don’t demolish the latest games, only the 4090 does that. The 4090 is going to be able to last a very long time, but op is doubting the 4070 and 4080 will have that same longevity. If the longevity isn’t extremely high, then price must be lower to compensate for the shorter cycle.
Price is not lower, and in fact extremely high. A typically 1070 went for around $450 in 2016, which is around $550 today. A typical 4070 goes for around $850, which is around the inflation adjusted price of the 1080 in 2016. The 1080 had the benefit of being the flagship, while the 4070 is only around the 5th or 6th strongest card on the market today.
Remember: There are a ton of older games you can play, you don't need a new GPU. Let them choke on their stock. If your old GPU breaks, buy an APU instead of a GPU. Intel Pentium G604+motherboard would be a lot cheaper than even the cheapest first hand GPU, and it can still run old games.
I spent about 2 year thinking about upgrading my RTX2080… but now I'm just sick of the daft prices. So I'm going give Nvidia the finger, and making do with what I've got.
Same boat
This is the first time in my life I’m actually considering getting a console rather than upgrading my PC. It’s not even an issue of being able to afford it, I just cannot justify the price no matter how I spin it.
PS5 is your best bet. If you like Game Pass, I say skip the Series S and go for the X. Too many performance problems on the S.
Did exactly that by going for the PS5. The performance is stable, the games are decent (let's be honest, modern games are terrible, but there are still some that are worth it).
My only recommendation is that you should probably think about 6950 XT for 1440p or even 4K, if you already have a PC tower that can fit it and a capable PSU, as it's quite a good deal these days (if you live in a country with cheap electricity that is).
@@aiodensghost8645 there honestly nothing wrong with the series S the way things are going with physical gaming I’d say stick with the S and get an expansion card. Save some money 💰
I’m kinda in the same boat. I’m playing a lot less games now than I was when I was a teenager and into computers. My PC is pretty dated, but still able to perform almost anything I need it to, with some adjustments. But rather than throw a ton of money into updates, I’d almost rather shoot for a PS5 or Xbox. I’m not playing many games, and it’s not a passion of mine at all anymore. Only thing is that I exclusively play FPS games on Mouse / Keys and have an extensive library I don’t wanna restart
I’ll probably just get the steam deck whenever my pc dies or becomes too outdated
I upgraded to a 12 GB 3080 last year and it hasn't disappointed. I can probably wait for Nvidia's 80xx cards to come out before I consider upgrading. A video card is a discretionary purchase, and if you think about it, both AMD and Nvidia need us a lot more than we need them. RTX 4090, $2500. Really? They must be smoking some pretty good stuff.
The 3080 are perfect. Bestbuy and micro center have the rtx4090 for 1699.99
I got my 4090 for 1700. Just don’t pay scalper prices
@@00_UU it's not even worth 1700
@@00_UU up here in Canada they are $2500. I prefer to keep my kidneys…
Same. I have the 12gb 3080 and have no plans to upgrade any of our family pcs for several years
I was interested, but with supply issues and markups, I bought a Lenovo legion 17" laptop with a 3060, and planned on building a custom PC with the 40s series. Then the 40 series was so expensive, and other pc parts were so expensive that it just makes sense to keep my 3060 laptop. I use a controller and an external monitor and game at 1080p with other settings maxed and I'm happy with it
Many people like myself paid so much for the 3xxx series that there is no reason good enough to get ripped off again on the 4xxx series. I personally paid $999 for an MSI Gaming X Trio 3070 ti. Still feeling stupid for paying so much during the shortage, but I really needed an upgrade during the Covid/mining days.
It's insane how the price of high end gpus doubled and some even tripled since the great crypto rush.
I’m glad it’s dropped since then!
@@GrabbaBeer how much further do you think that GPU prices will fall?
@@simplebidnessman honestly looking at crypto prices I don’t think they’re going to drip anyone. Maybe 50-100 at most. I think they’re set higher now after everything else has gone up. Crypto seems to have bottomed out and gpu prices seem to have stabilized with its demand. But I could be wrong. No one knows what the market will truly do next
@@thomasb282 New? From where?
I think they're milking it for all they can. Have to get rid of older Gen stock so they can't lower prices on the new.
it was helpful to hear the suggestion you gave here about checking your needs for the GPU with the games you want to play. thank you.
I built my rig when the 10 series released and it was low end, I'm talking 6gig 1060 and an i5 6500 with 16gigs of ram, it's still going strong and I don't plan on upgrading till this pc either dies or hardware prices drop significantly. It does what I need without question and if it starts to get slow it usually means I need to clean the fans, after that it's basically good as new.
Many creators warned that GPU makers scalping consumers for their stimulus checks during a crisis would have long term negative impact on interest. I understand once a corporation can make quadruple margins its hard to go back but the way they keep trying to artificially stimulate the market to fit that fantasy has only made it worse. Gaming has had total collapse in the past and its certain to occur again. Perhaps its now, and frankly i am glad for it. Its the only hope for a return to quality and value across the gaming industry. Great vid, nailed it!
I don't think there's anything to do with scalpers. People are just not seeing a need to upgrade their systems when the games they play are several years old. It's more new games are not selling other than the select few
@@gogereaver349 i only upgrade when i have to lol
wont keep going on for long especially due to the recession and peoples financial issues, they will either halt production and research to cut on cost which would mean utter technological stagnation and than death of the company or they will have to lower prices or produce more affordable models
@@gogereaver349 Scalpers DEFINITELY played a role in GPU price gouging over the last couple of years. Both Nvidia and AMD expected gamers to continue paying the artificially inflated premiums GPUs were selling for during the height of the crypto mining era. Now, both companies are dealing with the effects of the bottom falling out of the crypto mining market. Surprisingly, neither company is taking the lead in meeting consumers halfway - which is why we really needed Intel to be competitive. Unfortunately, that didn't happen.
Corporations tend to be myopic in regards to their greed/profits. Far from the most pragmatic of approaches indeed.
The biggest challenge for tech channels is that the Great GPU Price Crash that everyone waited for never really happened. I was LUCKY to get a 30-series card at (inflated) MSRP, and that was at the lowest dip possible here in Norway. That sucks. It's nowhere near the reasonable prices people hoped for. Of course that leads to resignation and disinterest. The only GPU news I'm interested in right now is Intel Arc.
Where are all the millions of crypto farm GPUs? Where are all the scalped cards people were sitting on? We know they exist. Some of them have turned up in South America, with their chips literally painted over to look new. That explains some of it, but what about the rest? This is the kind of news I would like to see tech channels reporting on right now. Tech channels should give their test rigs some rest and adapt to meet what people want to see.
Ikr? A fricking 3070ti still sits at $650-700, at least the good iterations and not Manli or whatever. Sure it used to be $1200 a couple years back, but it's still way overpriced for its age.
the greed from mining just "evolved" and they got another idea about the maximize their money making scheme. the forth boom will come why should they sell all the GPU that they already had?
They're on ebay at least on the amd side you can regularly find 6600's for less than $200, 5700xt for around $170 and 5600xt for less than $150. Those are great value because even the 5600xt is still a very capable 1080p card way faster than 6400s and 6500s, so until they lower the price of those cards the used market won't go any lower.
@@arenzricodexd4409 I highly doubt there will be another GPU based mining boom. But if that were to happen, it would be more cost effective to use the newest hardware available.
@@PropaneWP maybe. but don't underestimate greed. when Bitcoin migrate to ASIC we end up seeing new algo such as ether being created to be ASIC resistant. because some miner did not like those expensive ASIC only affordable to rich miner. and in initially it is all about AMD GPU only. but they see nvidia GPU and start creating new algo that is more optimized for nvidia architecture.
I recently upgraded to a 144 hz monitor with my old 580 and it's doing fine. I wish I could update to an RTX for all of that raytracing and AI optimizations but a card that does that nicely and is also a valuable upgrade from my 580 is simply too expensive to even consider.
Consider rtx4060. Ray tracing is pointless on any card. Makes way less difference than good monitor. Dlss must have.
Agree. I was thinking of upgrading my 3070 to 4070 12GB, but then decided to wait and upgraded to 3080Ti for USD 450 only and sold my 3070 for USD 350, I consider that a good upgrade and now will wait for 5 series or 8 series from AMD and pricing, backbone being o/c 4.7Ghz 5600X with 32GB and SSDs.
I still remember buying my first card, a Voodoo 3 2000. This thing was maybe 2 models away from the very top range and only cost maybe 200 bucks, if that. It's really simple. The corporations may say this or that as to why the prices are rising, but the reality is because we only have two companies that make them to any standard, and the CEOs of both are cousins.
at that time nvidia was making crappy videocards nobody wanted to buy) the history repeats itsef lol
the Voodoo 😁👍🏻
Voodoo 😱🤯
if you don‘t want the expensive high end cards - the don‘t get them! don‘t lament that they exist, because they are the ones which in a couple of years you can get for cheap! ofc everybody wants high end for cheap - but then the gpu comapnies would be less profitable and would have less money overall to invest in new tech, rnd, and keep on pushing the tech forward! the people who are buying the high end cards are funding the improvement of the tech for everybody!
Dude I thought maybe you're kidding about the last line but no, they're apparently actually literally relatives!!! 😂🤯 Talk about the chance of 2 relatives heading the world's GPU duopolies!
I think nvidia underestimated how elastic graphics card demand actually is.
I got a graphics card back in 2017 before they started to skyrocket...my monitors are 1080p and 1440p. And the eye has a hard time seeing an actual difference for more than 60 fps... now please remind me why i need to upgrade from what i got now if it was able to handle that already?
The concern isn’t focused solely on price tiers per expected performance, but also the fidelity at which the cards can run at. Buyers are the older RTX 3000 and rx 6000 are plenty good enough to play at nearly all resolutions while taking a hit to graphical settings. So the newest gen can provide a few more fps. Only if you’re playing 4k and for the few at 8K would the new gen be worth it. Then there’s the cost component as well.
40 series has brought substantial gen on gen performance and feature improvements, it's just the pricing that is out of whack. Crypto blew up GPU values to insane levels and nVidia forgot what the market is like when it's just gamers.
They no longer need gamers. Crypto miners and AI companies can generate thousands times more profit than gamers.
@@noiresama7222 but now they NEED gamers since crypto markets are in the shitter for the last year and a half. So the statement "they forgot what it's like when it's just gamers" holds true right now. Crypto enthusiasts aren't buying nearly the same amount of cards or other mining equipment at this time.
AI researchers are a very small market and crypto is basically dead.
@@HydratedBeans they also have productivity users
@@noiresama7222 most productivity users are corporate and thus don't buy at market, they get a negotiated company price
My old 3700k system lasted 8 years with one upgrade to a 1080ti. I built a new PC right before the price boom (cyberpunk 2077 hype was real) and actually was able to buy a 3080 on release day for MSRP. I don't see me upgrading for a long time unless they drop prices down to a reasonable level again.
I'm using my APU in Ryzen 5 2400g
The prices aren't going to go down again.
You won't need a new card for a loooooooong time. 3080 and above is going to be usable for at least 3 more generations.
@@benhawkins6510 think so? at 1440p im assuming?
Word. I built my system--including down to the thermals paste that has an eight-year lifespan--to last eight years with hopefully no replacements and FOR SURE no upgrades. Gaming is fun and all but I'm not willing to pay $1000+/year to keep up with the latest shit.
I put together my pc back in the early days of 2020 before the whole fiasco. Had a 5700xt and a 3600, felt really good but in the end fast forward to the beginning of 2023 I snagged a red devil 6950xt for 700 bucks and got a 5600x for 150 and now im very satisfied with my pc and most likely won't upgrade anytime soon maybe 5 years from now. Still waiting for the whole am5 platform to go down in price, because for ram cpu and a new motherboard now would be around the 600 dollar mark and thats insane.
I am still using 1050. I have been working in some computer repair shop so I still have access to their components services. I am interested in 3070 12 gig oc since I do a lot of 3D work and I am getting to more complex stuff (I do level design...). Basically the price in the store is from 600-750 USD and I can get it for around 400-450 USD. So, they are getting them under $400. This means that the prices are almost doubled in the stores. I am in East Europe so there is also the shipping factor, but not to that degree...
10 years ago, every new generation of GPUs were huge upgrade. It was always tough to decide whether to buy or wait, since so much progress was happening so fast. Last years, only thing that's been rising fast is prices. Yes, of course performance of new cards is somewhat better, but not at the level you'd really need to buy them or felt forced to buy them. And game devs have to make games mostly to fit what rigs people have so things have stalled a bit. Really, prices should come down or there should be bigger improvements in performance for most looking to get new GPU.
I somewhat agree with you. However, if you came from almost anything older/worse than a 3060(maybe even an 8 gig 3070) the performance upgrade would be massive if you went to a 4090 (maybe even the 4080).
@@adamlarussa5243 but noone who has money to blow on a 4090 dient uprgade to the 30 series already. an everyone else just dosent want to spend that kind of money. They'll look for a 2060-90 or go with a 3060-90 if they wanna spend some cash
@Cloud Ex Machina thats not entirely true. I had a 3090ti, and went to a 4090. And even i can see the performance difference.
hmm kind of, not really, the 4090 is about twice as fast as the 3090. thats the biggest leap. that really insane. but it's expensive so not pracicle for most people. the lower models arnt that much better over 30 series.
@@adamlarussa5243 But you are an exception, not the majority of the marketplace I'd think.
The problem Nvidia and AMD had was they expected everyone to continue upgrading. Lots of people only got PC's from covid benefits. And not as many people are still looking.
Covid benefits? Dude I want some! Where do you live?
People over here in the Netherlands didn't get any benefits of any kind, except business owners.
@@QoraxAudio I think even the normal savings for jobs did it as well. In Germany for example the state use some tax money to allow companies to cut wages up to 100% while the people got their money instead.
So the basic income was only reduced minor while a lot of expenses (traveling/vaccation costs, restaurants, ....) were cut down. So it was a net gain for a short time fot things like PC hardware, but also SIm racing stuff, hobby stuff in general.
@@alphastratus6623 Plus with the pandemic shutdowns and uncertainty, and being confined at home, a lot of people decided to pull the trigger on building their new machine right then and there rather than chance waiting into the uncertain future.
That's how I wound up building my PC with a 2070 super for 500$. I'm not saying it was a great value proposition, but given I was upgrading from IIRC a Fermi series card, and the ensuing scalpocalypse I'd say I didn't exactly the worst possible decision.
@@alphastratus6623 Yes in our country companies also received benefits, but people didn't.
Yeah people did spend less on holidays and more on hobbies indeed; I've been selling audio equipment quite well, especially at the beginning of the lockdowns, back in 2020.
@@Bustermachine The pandemic was a completely different time and times have changed now. I really hope that less people buy the new GPU's, even the 4090 so NVIDIA can open they're eyes to realize how expensive these cards actually are. Because with the rtx 50 series coming out one day NVIDIA knows they can sell it at an even higher price, and then same again when the rtx 60 series comes out even further in the future
My desktop I built in 2018 has a 1060ti. I just ordered a 4060ti this past weekend. I'm glad to see prices have come down some, but they are still too high for most consumers.
Still rocking a 1080 non ti. Rt stuff didn't really interest me and only in the last generation have I even considered upgrading; in large part due to the crazy inflated costs and the nerfed price to performance ratio compared to 10 series and previous. If I did pick one up I'd prolly look at the 7900 xt, but want to wait to see what the 7800 looks like and how black friday deals will affect pricing.
What do yall think, is the 7900xt worth it? I suspect there's no way to say its not going to be a substantial performance boost but the price to performance has had me riding a fence for months or maybe years as I consider the upgrade. Frankly I'd like to see the 4090 come down to $1,000 while something like the 7900xt would be around 600ish. Basically a return to form for 10 series and previous generation cards rather than these over priced rt cards that have to run only partial rt with their dlss or w/e because the hardware just is not capable of dealing with this without disabling areas or reducing quality. Anyways id love to get any feedback on this, thanks for your time.
I'm still actively looking to buy a GPU, but get discouraged when I'm faced with buying a "new" GPU that was released almost 3 years ago, or buying one that costs twice as much for a small uplift.
I didn't realize how powerful the graghics on the newer motherboards are. I played mw2 on medium settings with no video card.
What was the name of the racing game that you showed in this video?
Because my current card, a Radeon RX 570, is still holding up well enough for all the games that I'm interested in. The RX 570 aged surprisingly well even though I think it was considered a budged card even for it's time. It is struggling at the newest games, but I am less and less interested in the big AAA releases anyway. Nowadays I like diving into the past for the old time classics and overlooked titles.
I've been rocking my RX580 and same its been doing just fine
I got a RX 590 in 2018. One of the fans has stopped working and I need to keep the side off the case off or the GPU overheats and shuts down.
Even that is less trouble than paying $600+ for an equivalent replacement.
I've got an RX480 and a Haswell i5. Yea, it's probably getting close to EOL, but I find myself gravitating to the console.
@@DragNetJoe wowsers 4th gen huh, I went from a i5 6600k to a i5 12600k back in December, talk about an upgrade.
@@TheGlock30owner You can either buy fan replacements for cheap or alternatively: You can strap a chassis fan, any kind to your gpu with like cable ties and itll work just fine. There are tutorials for both online
I've been on a GTX 960 since 2015 and it's gotten to the point where I can't play newer games anymore, but I also can't really upgrade because even the low-end cards have seemed super expensive for what they are. It sucks.
Just buy old 1080Ti card
RTX 3060 and rx 6650xt is now sold for reasonable price, 280$ for RTX 3060 and 275$ for the rx 6650xt
I saw a used 970 the other day for AU$100 (US $60). You could get one of those and sell your 960.
i know, crazy yeah. Still using my GTX980. it's still perfectly fine for most things these days still. Have not got a grand for a new card, it's just ridiculous
This info might be out of date, but when I last did research, any x60 model was usually worse than the x70/x80 of the previous generation. The x80s were top tier regardless of generation, but performance was diminishing returns on the x70 of the same generation for like double the amount of cash.
*Therefore the only models it really made any sense to buy were x70s, regardless of generation.*
If you couldn't afford an x70 in the current gen, you were better off buying the x70/80 from the previous gen than the current x60. And getting an x80 over an x70 wasn't really worth the extra cash unless money really was no object and you had it to burn.
Like I said, this info might be out of date, but was the case last I researched.
As someone who only played old times RTS, I was wondering if I really need better gpu than GeForce GT 740 DDR5 now (lol). Running everything smoothly on High or better with just 30-40% usage.
Should there be great RTS like new Generals, Red Alert or Starcraft... then maybe.
You don't; you don't even need DGPU's for any rts games made in 2008 and older. All of the command and conquer series for example.
Waiting for Starfield for years my rig is getting older and older. These prices nowadays are really sad. My old Ryzen 5 3600 with RX5700XT OC from Gigabyte need to last for a while still. Thanks for FSR and for playing @1080p, otherwise I don't know what I would do...
The first pc I built back in 2010 had a Radeon HD 4850 512 MB. It was like $140 and my total pc was $512. I cut grass for weeks to raise that money. Those days are over. I would never tell a kid now to get a PC because of how expensive it is.
Same i bought new 4890 for less than 300. Now gtx 4090 or whatever it name is priced around 3500 usd? I m not genius but i'm not so stupid enough to buy it. Stick with integrated right now
I honestly have been using my xbox more and more with it running games well and not needing a upgrade for around a decade. As consoles are infinitely better value in every way, they are running everything at 4k, and smoothly for $500 which makes a pc a bad value.
Have to agree but it is a huge mistake by both AMD and Nvidia as if they lose the interest of the core gamer market that brought them all this success going back so many years, it will be over. Also making a profit is of course the goal but my God, they are just rubbing it in right now and almost laughing at us from on high as they price the most important customer that being the low to mid range gpu buyer out of the market..
Why would they care about low-margin gaming cards?
@TheBCWonder thats where they make most of their money
The most important buyer of GPUs is no longer gamers. The most important buyer of GPUs is businesses buying tens of thousands at a time for supercomputers, clusters, massive renderfarms and compute farms, "cloud" companies, research faciilities, the type of customer that sees a $10,000 chip as a business expense and buys a new one every few years.
Below that you've got console makers buying custom silicon in bulk, large chain stores and PC vendors hoping to flog cheap pre-builts, and IT departments who just need something that can display a picture.
Way below that, you have PC gamers looking for what the latest generation of breeze-block-sized toy GPUs they can cram into a box will cost and might offer. The only thing that keeps PC gamers as even a going concern these days, is they have a habit of being very loud. It's free marketing, but only if you have them on side.
If Nvidia and AMD cause a decline in the PC market, then PC ports will get shittier, and there will be less interest in their top tier cards...
They don't give a damn about little johnny gamer dude.
I was actually thinking of upgrading my GPU from 2070 Super to a 3080 but go used since the prices are floating around 450$. The reason for upgrading is I really want to be able to run Starfield at 1440p 60fps and from what I’ve seen the jump isn’t insignificant. But what do you think?
I think, the RTX 30 series were isn't worth it to buy. Still better RTX 20 series with friendly price
what is this game with racing 4:21 and what gpu is needed for that performance?
AMD has already admitted that they're shortdropping shipments intentionally, because the increased prices actually brought them in more profit. So, they are intentionally keeping demand higher than supply now so they can keep the prices jacked up.
At least they admitted, but then artificially reducing supply won’t help them in the long run.
AMD have not done that you decepticons. It's not the AMD who pull that trigger, it's the retailers who've been doing that.
@@deleater the head of AMD was the one who said it. It popped up in my Google feed, so I read an entire article about it. They said they made more money that way, and even if it slows, they would have to still make less money per material cost that they were making before doing this in order for that to technically not be true.
AMD mixing up people ditching nvidia for good strategy. Tech people at AMD are great but their sales team not so much. Higher prices will equal lower turn over. Sure may look good on paper at the start but people won't be replacing their cards as often now. Short sighted sales plan. Opens up market for Intel.
I don't think you can complain. That's just how markets work. If it was your company and your money in question, you'd do the same...business is not a charity
I'm still using a GTX 1080. For my last few PC builds I've just been getting a lot of use out of my hardware-- I had a Haswell setup for the longest time (until 2021 I think?) and then finally upgraded to an AM4 build (5600X, 32GB ram). I'm way overdue for a GPU upgrade at this point, but first the pandemic / crypto crisis pricing-- and even just the literal time / effort investment required to buy a product at any price due to shortages-- put me off when I did the AM4 upgrade. Then it got close to current-gen GPU launch time, and I didn't want to pay launch-day MSRP for a 30-series card that was on its way out. Then the current gen stuff arrived, the prices for last-gen stayed at full MSRP, and the price of the new hardware was literally ridiculous. Fuck off: I'm not paying over a thousand dollars for a mainstream flagship graphics card. I'm not paying $900 for a gimpy mid-range card that can't even do 4k properly running today's games, let alone have any headroom for future releases. And I'm not paying $1,600-2,000 for a 4090 because low-volume halo / techdemo cards have always been a dumb flex for people with too much money.
I feel like GPUs are in a similar situation to where CPUs were during the long-ass stagnation period of Intel Core dominance-- yeah, there were new products every year but they were expensive and they didn't offer any substantial performance improvements in real-world use cases for people who play games as a hobby. It's just not worth spending thousands of dollars to slightly increase a benchmark score each year. The reality is that I can still play all the games I actually want to play-- which is not many these days anyway, since like many of us I'm regrettably a fucking adult now-- on my GTX 1080. I spent a little money this year dropping a 5800X3D into my system because it actually does a lot more for performance in a game I enjoy (Escape from Tarkov) than a GPU upgrade would have. Tarkov is the most demanding title I play (pretty much the only other games I've played in years are EVE Online-- a MMO from 2003-- and Valorant, which I play casually with some friends). I play at 1440p/144hz. Neither of those games needs any more GPU horsepower to be playable in that configuration.
My last PC upgrade, I did so that I could get actual playable framerates in CoD: MW. I actually needed more CPU cores, more mhz, and more RAM to make that happen. But now? I didn't even buy the new CoD game because it looks worse to my eye than its predecessor. All the titles I do play are old. Until I decide to switch to 4k displays, or someone drops some must-play title that wrecks PCs, why would I spend extortionate amounts of money on a graphics upgrade that I don't even need?
Breathe buddy breathe...
I’m not reading all that
I read all of it, because I can relate to it. The kids above, well just don’t understand until the time
comes. But yeah, 100% on COD being meh and just sticking with mostly older games that doesn’t require that much GPU horsepower. I still haven’t upgraded my 3900x, because I still love having 12 physical cores and I know my ass would benefit from a 5000 series chip upgrade…. but meh. The only upgrade so far was a 4TB SSD, I bought to back up my old Hard Drives from my first PC that I used for games/files.
@@Jake-vr8lu Theres a free Chrome extension called Read Aloud that converts text to speech so you can just highlight text and it reads it for you, very useful for reading walls of text.
Yeah, same here, I'm sticking with my rx590. It works, Grim Dawn runs fine on it.
The latest thing I upgraded like a year ago was my CPU and RAM going from a Ryzen 5 3600X and 8 GB if ram to an i7 12700KF with 32 GB of ram. But I kept my GPU a 2080 super that I got when it came out for $700.
I’ve been recently thinking about upgrading but never saw the worth in it. The amount of performance i’ll get for the games I play isn’t worth the money I would spend, which could go to better peripherals like a monitor.
Although being able to make use of my 1000W PSU wouldn’t hurt 🗣️
What was that first game he showed with the guy riding a horse through a town?
$300 is my sweet spot. The last card I bought was a $230 Geforc 1050 GTX. I am not a big gamer and if I can't find a good deal, I will stick with what I've got.
I'm still using my 1050ti that I bought in 2018 for €190.
Edit: a word
I'm just going used, bought GTX 1060 3gb used in 2019.12 for 80 Euro, now have used Rx 6600 from 2022.12, bought it for 140 Euro, now probably need upgrade my R5 1600af to maybe 5600, and I'm good for 3 more years
@@mrlightwriter Good stuff bro, I also bought my GPU in 2018 (GTX 1060 6GB). Think I got it for 320€ because pricing in my country sucks and the prices were creeping up due to crypto mining. I was thinking about upgrading this year (GTX 4060 or RX 7600 XT) but this vid made me skeptical.
This is the thing most people should do. Just stick with your current card until you get a deal! I sold my gtx 1070 for $150 profit during crypto mining and purchased a Legion laptop with rtx 3070 which was a nice upgrade and helped me during work from home.
Once gpu mining became obsolete last year I purchased a used 3080 for $400 for my desktop which was sitting idle since the day I had sold my 1070. Recently I also got that terrific deal of $419 for 3080 and sold my previous 3080 for $600 making a big profit of $200. Effectively I still own the 3080 however at $219 if I consider the profit from other 3080. And if I also consider the $150 profit from selling my 1070, then it will be $69 for upgrading from 1070 to 3080!!!
This is an absurd price to performance level of a 1050 GTX lol.
To make you understand why, back in 2008, a 9800GT costed 120 eu in europe and that was an AIB model.
4 years ago, iirc the 1050 was around 150 to 180 eu here in europe and that was with VAT included something you guys in America don't have so you are almost always getting GPUs at lower prices than us.
Honestly I've been so happy with my 5900X and 6800XT I decided to go for a custom loop and call it a day for the next 10 years.
ikr? i spend literally everything i had to upgrade my pc and i got a rx6600 with some 4th gen cpu because i have no money to upgrade the motherboard and the cpu so i will just play with like 50% of the real power of the gpu until i gather some money.
I have that CPU and plan on getting that GPU, do you think I should wait for a sale?
@@simplebidnessman wait for the 7900xt price to go down - or go with the 6900xt because last I checked the prices went down.
@@simplebidnessman i have no idea because i live in asia and things are much different in the market in here, idk where you live but i would buy the gpu if i really want to play games and i have enough money, but if spending that much will put you on the edge then yeah wait for a sale or something.
I'm the same with my 5800x3d and 6900 xt
I have a PC and Laptop, but I choose to primarily play the Series X. It really is an impressive piece of hardware, and can hold its own very well in the PC arena. You'd be extremely hard-pressed to make any PC for $500 that comes close to the Series X! Game Pass is a really good deal, there's a good amount of games in the store, and I'm still sitting on a bunch of Xbox 360 games so I can always load them up too!
Hi what graphic card are able to run red alert 3 smoothlt 1060 enough??
My GTX 760 still handles a lot of my 1080p game needs, upgrading to a 2070s at the end of this month. The beauty of running cards until they don't work is it's soo easy and cheap to upgrade to crazy levels.
Not the politest question, but can i buy 760 from you?
You can still have plenty of fun doing this and there are plenty of enjoyable games at this reso, especially 4X strategy games. That said, in my mind nothing can duplicate the joy and beauty of a true 4K 120 FPS experience. You're basically in the other world.
Exactly I using an old GT 730, works fine, but getting either a RX570, or RX 5600XT in a couple weeks, Never seen a reason to upgrade every year just because a new better card released.
Still on my 660ti at 1080p, can't fault it in the slightest it does what i want from it and I've taken great care of it and my rig as a whole keeping things clean and cool, i just don't give a shit anymore about the PC tech rat race.
I think one part you haven't mentioned is indie games. They are going strong and run fine on 1080p60 due to the nature of their graphic style or gameplay pace. Whether it's people not upgrading their rigs that are making them popular or they are just getting better quality is up for debate.
Another thing affecting prices is the prosumer market. AI, 3D and video rendering, Adobe, all use the graphics cards now. Small businesses and prosumers are buying up the latest Nvidia cards for these. They will drop launch prices to get the 4090 to swap out their 3090 ASAP, because money is made on those machines.
Ding ding ding. I play nothing but indie games on my mini PC. Paid like 550 for a beelink with a 6800h. It works sooo God for everything indie. I get indie games for like 5 bucks on sale.
Yeah I bought a 3090 and it was kind of a waste. Almost every game I play works at 1440p 144fps on my 1080ti
Every game run well at 1080p60 if you never tried anything higher.
Yeah, that’s the thing. The 4090 has a justifiable price tag, after all it is the literal best there is. Everything under it though is priced well above an acceptable range.
@@Middleseed agreed. The xx90 is just the new Titan. It’s everything else that’s obscene
Still on my MSI 2080 Duke and no plans to upgrade this generation. Maybe the 50xx will be different since I've have my 2080 since a couple months after launch.
Has nothing to do with caring or not caring.
Most people just cant afford an upgrade.
Even those that can afford it some are a bit wiser with money and don't see the value.
Yep and it’s about recognising value. PC gamers are a bit more savvy and can see the obvious rip off.
With the insane price gouging and artificial scarcity over the past 3 years, is it really a surprise people aren't in a hurry to buy GPUs?
I was already sticking with my old hardware i5 9600k/RTX 2070 a system built for 1080p gaming but due to an unexpected monitor death, I found my rig lacked te necessary fps for 1440p gaming. Sure I'd love a 4090 but $2K? After looking at 3080Ti and similarly priced cards which were effectively "last gen" I decided after carefully considering the performance, that a 4070Ti was pretty much exactly what I needed. Yes it was expensive, but it was available and at MRRP, paired with i5 13600kf I'm reasonably happy (that $900 price niggles but the mobo price increase was more of a shock tbh) my advice when building a PC, decide on the performance level you want to reach, and assemble a list of products capable of that performance. Overall the cost of the 4070Ti build wasn't that much higher (made huge savings on NVMe drives compared to 3 years ago and RAM too) given the massive jump in performance.
video cards *USED* to be like $300-$500 now they are usually over $1200 for a slightly future proof card. gpu's should not cost the same as a mortgage payment.
It’s just a one part of the pc. Most of us doesn’t want anything that is more expensive than 60 series. They could made more money if there was any noticeable performance increase in 60 series.
So true. I maintain a PC hardware affiliate website and the sales are incredibly low. It's like 2-3 times less compared to 2021.
yet retailers stubbornly refuse to lower prices. let's see who bends 1st then. We are in the zone baby, we have waited for way too long to bend over now. 1200 for shitty ass gpus. nope.
@@eawblablatron9161 not like retailers can be expected to sell the gpus at a loss. It's nvidias and adds fault.
@@atnfn don't ask me plz to feel sorry about retailers. they are just merchants. if they weren't selling gpus they would be selling potatoes in a farmers market. their moto is easy money and greediness. their brain always think " I'll buy this that much and I'll sell it that much and I'll make this profit". at least Ngreedia designs and makes the gpus. retailers just unload the truck , fix the boxes on their storage room and wait to sell. they dont even know what a capacitor is.
if tomorrow, bottled farts were to gain more value than gpus then those "retailers" would abandon all gpus in a sec and sell bottled farts! they don't love gaming or offering to the gaming community.
I wonder what was going on in 2021 that would contribute to that….
@@atnfn they wil lhave to lower prices sooner or later, ones their sales start going down as well
Seems that Nvidia's driver updates for older GPUs are deliberately slowing performance down to get customers to buy the new ones...just like Apple was doing with their old iphones to get people to buy their new ones...
Seems like? Or are? Have you tested and verified this?
I I wouldn't put it past them, but there's always the option of using a previous driver. There's a reason that I have a copy of all of NVIDIA's drivers going back to when I built my first gaming PC in 2008 (Version 178.13).
@@bricaaron3978 it is a strategy called PLANNED OBSOLESCENCE. The product is designed to work well but will purposely fail over time. But because the product work so well at first you end up buying the next product from the same company. Company's no longer make products to last as long has possible but make products only to maximize profits.
@@Infinite8blue You failed to address my point.
@@bricaaron3978 it is hard to capture this evidence unless you are looking for it. Are you expecting someone to paste their evidence here? Lol issa UA-cam comment section bro
@@bricaaron3978 good habit. You could Google it I'm sure there's some one out there that's been watching. Even with out proper evidence, and considering most major companies do this, I absolutely believe it is happening. That's just me personally.
In 2014, I bought a laptop with GeForce 500M GPU, it was not a gaming laptop, but it served me well. I was able to play games like Fallout 3, and Mass Effect 2 & 3 with no problem (but the GPU was only able to handle games that are released before 2015). I never had the chance to play games that are released after 2015. It has been 9 years of me using that same laptop. So recently, I finally decided to get a new laptop, so I got a Gaming Laptop with Nvidia RTX 4060 in September this year (2023). Now, I can play games like Witcher 3 at high graphics setting. I am happy with what I got. 😀 [I want to share something strange though, at the time when I bought my new laptop, I observed that the gaming laptops with RTX 4060 has the pretty much the same price as gaming laptops with RTX 3060.] I thought that was a bit strange. In the end, I chose the RTX 4060 instead of the 3060.
I'm on something like a ten year cycle at this point. Not interested in a computer over 1000 US$. I used to be a 3000 US$ enthusiast, but I found that the components were not as hardy as the mid-range performance parts because enthusiasts tolerated less stable hardware for very marginal processing power gains and tolerate much shorter replacement cycles than those that don't have an unlimited budget for always jumping at the so-called "latest and greatest".
During the 90s and early 2000s, there was a massive difference between computers and games and software generally across five years. It didn't make a lot of sense to get too sentimental about 5 year old hardware given that 5+ year old games were garbage in all kinds of ways with graphical considerations being actually pretty high. The first games I was playing were jittery and the graphics were so disconcerting that I'd be motion sick the majority of the time that I was playing. Around 2010, we hit a couple of critical milestones for computer gaming, software, and hardware. A computer from 2020 isn't actually all that different from a computer in 2010, but the computers from 2020 are considerably more expensive for very very marginal gains, and those marginal gains are not all that important given that the boom in game development right now is in "retro" games which have very modest hardware requirements and benefit very marginally from enthusiast hardware.
Even in the CPU market, the gains are mostly WHO CARES? One of my favorite games Oxygen Not Included is a single threaded game, so all this "super ultra multithreaded" stuff doesn't matter because the game only uses a single thread for the most part and all that matters there is things like clock cycles and cache performance which basically hasn't moved much since the Pentium 4 in the early 2000s. Games like Oxygen Not Included don't care much about GPU characteristics other than you have one--from at least 10 to 15 years ago. Even for games like Fortnite or any number of the more contemporary 3D graphical games, the general bottleneck for performance is mostly the LAN/WAN interfaces, and the vagaries of WIFI largely makes most people not notice appreciable differences due to the inherent latency in non-wired solutions and the largely uncontrollable bandwidth limitations of ISPs.
The Digital Rents are too damn high.
I'm still using my 1070TI. This is the longest I've ever used a video card because an upgrade of the same tier level now is absurdly expensive. I can afford a new one but I can't justify it because my card still gets the job done.
Same, Im still rocking a 1080ti, i see zero need to upgrade anytime soon. it runs evreything at 1440p with great fps.
@@bryanbrewer4272 same... I don't game as I used before and it gets the job done perfectly on newer games like re4 remake 1440p
I still run my 10 year old Xeon rig. I upgraded to a 1660 Super two years ago just because I bought an ultrawide 144Hz monitor and my old GTX770 did not support the refresh rate.
Other than that, yeah, New rig would be awesome but I am not willing to invest 1500+ in a new rig at this point.
You said what I am sure that everyone else is thinking. Some how the manufactures forgot these card are something we play with and they can only get so much for a toy.
Tbh my 1660s has held up pretty decent, and would probably upgrade my motherboard and cpu next along with my ram. While it can handle most current gen games such as red dead 2, vr titles such as medal of honor above and beyond, along with some rather buggy stuff like star citizen, I do think once games like gta 6, starfield and armored core 6 come out, it will probably start running into issues then.
After years and years before Covid, I got used to not buying a new GPU. Thanks to their refusal to spool up more manufacturing capacity. Instead they just, like you say, decide to scalp the customer. Finally upgraded my 1060Ti to a 3060 when it hit rock bottom at MSRP price. So, at that trend I'll probably upgrade at 5000 or 6000 series.
People are back at work and money is tight right now with ballooning prices on everything including GPUs. Hopefully nvidia takes a massive hit this generation.
Hopefully that's not literal, US said it will blow up TSMC if China invades Taiwan.
Looking forward to seeing the sales figures for AMD and Nvidia over the next 6 months.
6 months? More like 2 years. No one will be buying these overpriced bricks until the RTX5000's & RX8000's release & drop the pricings on the current RTX4000's & RX7000's. Ngreedia & AMD are out of their gourds with these price ranges.
They’re good right now
NVIDIA sales are an absolute disaster trust me. A few nerds bought 4090s and that's about it
@@malazan6004 they aren’t, look at share price eps and stock
im betting intel passes amd and closes the gap on nvidia. Nvidia died when they lost EVGA they just dont know it yet.
just bought a 6800 xt that was a bit over 100$ off on a best buy sale to upgrade from my 3060 laptop (was originally looking for a 3070 ti). only reason i even ate the over 500 dollar purchase for a gpu was because amazon had a 5600x for sale at 50% of during their prime day and ive had this x570 motherboard (plus ram & case) just sitting around the past 2-3 years. the 3060 asus laptop is great and all but is pretty limited in alot of cases, like the 6 gb vram the 4 core i7 cpu & the fact that i cant fully clean the fans without removing the heatsink, which sadly has a stripped screw on the cpu (or gpu dont remember) bracket and im not 1 for taking a drill that close to the die power delivery or vital mobo traces
I've been building PCs (IBM compatibles of course) since the early 90s and I've watched everything go from, "you have to upgrade every generation," to "you can skip one or two." CPU market hit that long ago. I went a long time with the Sandy Bridge architecture, but replaced my graphics card 3 times.
Now, I don't see the point in pushing 4K. 2K Ultrawides I think are way better to play with and the pixel count is low enough that older generation cards do just fine.
the vega, rx 5000 series and rtx 2060/2070 were quite good deals for their time. nowadays theres practically no mid range anymore.
Assembled my PC just before Covid. Bought a 2070 super just to play games from the last 10 years with decent graphics finally. Guess I'll wait 10 yeasr for the next time then.
Greed has destroyed gaming in general. Games are shit, hardware is overpriced.
I dont mind the high prices, my problem is the confusing model numbers. The Ti used to be the top of line... now i have no idea.
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I bought a 2070 in 2018 and till this day its still working. I can still play pretty much every game at either 1440p or 1080p. Sure I have to lower my gfx settings abit, and I may not get Full 60fps but who cares when gfx cards now cost so much and from the looks of it is just minor incremental improvements. I can totally take my time to wait. I'll probably only upgrade when they release the 6070 or even 7070.
Agreed. my 2070 super is in my Dell G5 i7 10900 and drives my Dell 3220DGf monitor native resolution 2560x1440 at 164 Hz Nvidia Gsync, and runs past and modern games at that resolution smoothly. My GPU is very close to a 2080 non super and that card is one of the two graphics cards recommended for the upcoming game Starfield; the other card meeting the raytracing objectives which I do not need. As the youtube reviewer said he uses a 2080 on his personal pc and the 3000/4000 series offers only modest performance increases compared to their prices. I will also wait until the next gen GPU with 32 Gig VRAM and at that point I will probably change my pc and monitor too.
I got an RTX 2070 for 150 last week for 150 and I'm super satisfied with the performance. It is so sad what happened to GPU market.
Used?
150 bucks?? thats an excellent price. even if the card itself is nothing too special nowadays.
still solid stuff for 1080p gaming in 30-40fps or 60 on older games im sure
@@heyjeySigma you insane? I have an rtx 2060 and i get 80-90 fps on verg high settings in AAA titles
@@heyjeySigma I still have a 1070 and play on 2k ultrawide and easily get 60 fps on almost any game I play on high settings
@@heyjeySigma RTX 2070 gets way more frames than 30-40fps on 1080p lol. I often get above 120 fps on modern games.
I am still very much into PC gaming (since the 90s) and I would totally buy a 4070/4080. I could afford it I just won't at the prices that are out there so, until the prices drop significantly, I'm happy to wait. If I have to wait until the 5000 series nVidia cards come out and get a 4000 series then I will do that.
Yeah even if you can afford it, they're just such bad value for money. At the end of the day, no one "needs" a high end graphics card for gaming.
Even pro gamers and enthusiasts don't need it. We're still playing on a screen with the same basic fundamental graphics and animations as 5 or 6 years ago. It's been very incremental from my point of view anyway.
@@jambononi the only reason to upgrade is if you want 4K or 1440p and keep the gpu for 4-5 years.
@@SapiaNt0mata nop if you run a pascal or maxwell gpu you need to upgrade and many people run thoses older gpu becasue the minig boom did kill the market for like 2.5 years
right now i still run a1080 and games like rdr2 run like shit at 1080p with fsr2, i can get a4080 truh the company i work for that will savce me like 19% on it price VAT but even then a new 4080 would cost me more the dobble what i payed for my 1080gtx 6 years ago
Exactly. I could buy something like 4080 or even 4090 but I just don't want to pay what they are asking for.
@@madfinntech same here even for 950 what i could get it for its not ok for me
performance is good but it has only 16gb ram not much for a card sold at 4k card rt performance is good in 1080p but for 1400+ you need fucking dlss again
the 4070ti is crippelt in its bandwidth and its low 12gb ram
fuck if i didnt need cude i would go full amd this time
my second system got a 6950xt for 590€ two months ago and i only look for nvidai becasue i need at lst one cude system......
sure i can get a older ampera but again 12gb 3080 cost over 1100€+ here (880€+ i would pay) but it a 2 year old gpu and even slower then a 6950xt in seme cases and it need 450+watt
so far nvidia did not lower the price for it old gpu it still around the lauch price of 2020, 3 years later
fuck at gcn2/pascal times you could get a 1080ti for 700€ or a 290x for 450€ now you dont get a 4070ti wiht a ridiculous 192bit memory bus for less then 800€
and people want that price for hher end cards back
we fucking know amd can lower the price for it new gpu to at last 750€ xt and 900€ xtx models
and nvidais die are also a joke te 4080 die itself is smaller then a 3080 die so it sould not cost much more then a 3080
I bought a Toshiba Qosmio gaming laptop way back in 2009 for around $2300 CAD. It's lasted me *THIS* long and my only reasoning for buying a new PC is to support DX12 and better RAM; I settled with a Ryzen 5 3400G with no dedicated GPU (only the APU, integrated) and I'm still able to play my fav titles *AND* next gen stuff at high settings (720p) or medium settings (1080p) with a decent framerate. - Needed an additional PC to mess around with and settled with a Beelink EQ12 with 16GB DDR5 RAM. For just over $300 it almost mimics the Vega 11 graphics (almost...) - I can still play BeamNG on low settings at 720p with playable frames and zero dedicated gfx; Intel UHD Graphics 730 (integrated). It sips power and doesn't overheat. Amazed at what semiconductors have become after being on the interwebs since the mid 90s.
Glad for these newer, crazy expensive cards. Means I can upgrade to a nicer mid range with a dropped price sooner.
Price went from £400 to £2000 and then the fuel bills went up 200% when the new cards went 6x more power draw.
GPUs have become too expensive. But that isn't the issue. The issue is that the upgrades in GPU technology have not kept up with the price hikes.
yea... stupid ray tracing gimmick seems like the most hyped selling-point and it's the only motivation to make all the upscaling tech gimmick number 2 relevant.
I dont fucking understand why nobody is mentioning how the console focus of the industry has basically destroyed any necessity to actually upgrade your hardware all that much. Why the fuck would I upgrade my graphics card if there isnt a game out there that can actually utilize that. I guess cyberpunk 2077 and star citizen.. Anything else is meant to be played on a console that is classfied as the joke that is "next gen".
@@ThatPianoNoob High five on everything you said bro! 👍 so fucking true.
Especially Star Citizen, amazing views on a tripple 1440p monitor setup!
@@ThatPianoNoobEven star field
@@starscream6629Well, not realy. Bethwsda games are always limited by CPU usage, not by the GPU. The consols can't handle Starfield at 60 but not because of the GPU of the xboxes.
I built a new rig during the height of the GPU market squeeze and had to drop around 900 for a decent card, but way over priced. I bit the bullet at the time, but am not rushing out to replace it.