History of WWI Primer 036: French Gras 74 and 14 Documentary
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Othais and Mae delve into the story of this WWI classic. Complete with history, function, and live fire demonstration.
C&Rsenal presents its WWI Primer series; covering the firearms of this historic conflict one at a time in honor of the centennial anniversary. Join us every other Tuesday!
Cartridge: 11mm Gras and 8mm Lebel
Capacity: 0 rnds
Length: 51.4"
weight: 9.3 lbs
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It's almost like the mic wasn't working properly for this one sadly.
he also sounds like he slowly dying from a cold.
Yeah I was thinking he had a cold.
He did, all of us caught.
R.I.P.
thats both terrible and funny
I like how they eliminated the need for a magazine cut-off by eliminating the magazine altogether.
It's a 1866 rifle
Ingenious planning and meticulous execution.
How do you eliminate what you never previously had? The Chassepot was single shot too. As were pretty much all contemporary main army rifles. It's roughly the Civil War Era after all and repeaters were exotic even where they were readily available. magazines for that sort of rifle would not appear before 10-20 years later, the Mauser 1871 Othais mentioned in this video did not get a tubular magazine until 1884.
The only thing that would make the WAR WERE DECLARED sequence better would be sound effects done by mouth.
rofl
Don't give them ideas.
The 1st time I heard about a Gras rifle wasn't in regards to WW1, but rather in regards to Haiti between the wars. Nice to get a little more depth on them.
Thanks!
1870’s to the 1940’s is a pretty impressive service life. Especially given the huge leaps in technology over that time.
I really do appreciate every thing you do,please keep up the fantastic work.
Best wishes from UK.
Thank you. I'm glad we managed this one on time.
In 1941 in the Battle of Crete, on 3/23 Kampfsgruppe Schätte while advancing towards the Cretan town of Kastelli, encountered obstinate and mass resistance and received dense fire from well dug positions manned by elements of a Greek infantry regiment and armed civilians. Most of them were armed with the Gras Modèle 1866/74 11mm rifle, and each fighter carried less than thirty rounds of ammo as they're unable to be resupplied by the British who had no stocks in such antique calibre.
I think this must have been the last time the Gras saw action in a major conflict.
The Gras carrying Greeks of the 1st Infantry Regiment held the area of Kastelli for a whole day. The taking of Kastelli by the Germans on 3/24 marks the removing of the last obstacle to unimpeded landing at Maleme airstrip for them.
Jesus
*Oops I made a typo, it's 5/23 & 5/24 the Battle of Crete started on 5/20/1941 and ended on 6/1/1941 with the evacuation of the last 4,000 allied troops by the RN
gras are a generic name & you say bullshit
greek were armed whive steyr Gras not 1866/74 who are french made
druisteen actually the gras was in the hands of the greeks and french how i don't know but there are many photos of greek soldiers using them
greek were armed whive steyr made Gras not 1866/74 who are french made
I love how every time you mention the US Civil War, you use a different name. "Southern Secession", "Northern Aggression". I wonder what the next one will be!
Freedom War maybe? Perhaps too vauge what about War for Southern Freedom & Independence? that should do it!
How about "The Second American Revolutionary War"?
southern insurgency, second revolutionary war?
The "American Revolution" also not a Revolution against England, it was a War for Independence. But don't let facts get in the way. Anything to make losing a war acceptable to the South folk.
Rabh something tells me that Othais will pass that one over
When Mae is shooting, I'd love to be able to see from the perspective of what she is shooting down range.
but then the camera would get ded.
you'd just see a flat piece of paper before it gets bulleted (so much grammar!).
Yes.
@@thecanuckredcoat4142 Shakespeare grammar! :)
While tied to a post and smoking your last cigarette?
"No Bang-O'"
I also suffer from this after way too much Whiskey.
dang
Followed by fouling?
what could be a better addition to a collection than a chassepot fired trench mortar? yet another excellent offering, you rock! your choices of "vintage regional pop" as the shooting segment backing tracks is almost as interesting as the arms themselves!
Glad to hear we're hitting the right notes.
I like how you sound... it has the old radio feel in the 1920s...
The Night Cat I like anything related to the 1920s... I’m glad someone is appreciating the culture and aesthetics of that period...
@@theorganizer1273 That's the cat's pajamas.
You guys are awesome! Very good video. I just bought a Gras 1866/1874/80 Gendarmerie Carbine. It's a very nice rifle, has all matching numbers and is in great condition. It's life started as an 1866 Chassepot, which is quite cool. The barrel date is S.1886 N, meaning it's a very late Chassepot to Gras conversion.
Don't worry about the sound quality. The most important thing is that you guys are fine! Hope the cold got better by now :)
Almost done! Travel did not help.
What's up with the audio?
Othais is speaking into a classic Great War tin can for that authentic sounding narration.
He also had a cold.
He explains at the end of the video
It's only better than Mime if you are not French...
It's not just that he has a cold. My speakers are actually rattling. Something must have been out of sorts.
You taught me how to disassemble my bolt. Thanks!
Chile bought 21.000 gras rifles during the war of the pacific (1879 -1884) Its a great rifle
Si un amigo mio tiene uno lo usa para cazar conejos con cal 20 de escopeta no tengo idea de su valor
The muzzle end bit was new to me and very interesting.
Unfortunately, a point was left untouched, and that was the trouble they had adapting Lebel barrels (no separate production line was set up for these conversions, they took off-the-shelf barrels) into this large receiver. For this you'll have to take off the handguard and take a look at the limit of the receiver.
Time for another chill nunfancy-length gun-nerd video.
With pizza. :D
yeah but with less crazy then nutnfancy
Less fanny packs as well.
Big difference is there is some almost engineer worthy details with histoy
Nun Fancy?
Should I get a fanny pack?
Awesome stuff guys!
20 000 M14 Gras rifles were given by the French in July 1916 to the Serbian army. They were used on the Salonika front until the end of the war by artillery crews, logistics service troops, guards and other rear line troops. The front line guys got the Berthiers.
oh nice. Good to know.
A lot of these rifles were sporterized and rechambered to take shotgun cartridges in the early 1900s. I have one such sporterized Gras in 16ga, which is still used to this day to hunt rabbits.
The smile on Mae's face when she's shooting is priceless!!!
Eh, I've heard worse commentary audio quality... and also the audio suddenly goes back to normal during the Mae-Gun segment. Great video, as usual guys! :D
Yeah, we got wonky trying to adjust for the cold.
What you doin here
25:29 "The true meaning of suffering for this man-sized target..." Just as Mae decided to check out the silhouette, the singer in the background music was suffering...
I think it was actually a laugh, but the lyrics of this song are weird as fuck so i wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't
Thanks for talking about French guns!! The French army is all the time laughted at by everybody so thanks presenting our weapons! By the way nice french pronounciation ;)
Thanks for your amazing job! From a french fan of your channel ^^
Glad to hear you are enjoying it!
I really enjoyed this video. At a gun show last weekend I picked up one without any of the modifications. It's in excellent condition including the bluing that has taken on a beautiful patina. I look forward to getting the necessary equipment to load for it. I'm a big fan of large slow moving bullets and this 11x59r round is going to be fun. On that note, May sure looks like she's getting a huge endorphin boost every time she squeezes the trigger. Love that little smile that creases her face with every round fired. Don't ever let her go.
I just picked up an unmodified as well. All matching including cleaning rod. Wonder how some were missed during conversion process. Mine has a perfect bore and looks unfired. Wonder how rare the unmodified ones are.
The Gras has a special place in my heart-it was a common sight in Ethiopia during both Italian invasions, and it was one of the most popular rifles, especially among non-regular army soldiers (although with a lot of the regular army being given French surplus, maybe a few made it there too).
Also that bolt is beautiful.
I'm sick and cold and wrapped into my blanket and new C&R is online. Hell yea!
What a coincidence, I did this one sick!
@@Candrsenal ah so it wasn't the mic
Gonna be honest, I prefer the older style of animation for these simpler rifles. It was able to show separate parts more discretely. Now, for the Lewis Gun, the 3D was fantastic. I just dont think it fits for the handguns and bolt actions. Keep up the great work!
There were so many features we were not showing. The 3D will improve as we get more experience.
Be cool to see a Greek Gras video. I imagine they saw more frontline combat use in WWI.
Ah the Yataghan and the Rosalie two excellent late 19th century bayonets.
Is it just me or does it seem like the bolt on the Gras resembles/influenced the one on the Mosin-Nagant?
The Mosin has some French influence for sure.
As an additional item of curiosity, I used to own a Gras that had been converted to what I assumed was a shotgun. The barrel was a very large thin rimmed bore with no rifling which was very heavily pitted. The bolt's firing pin had been shortened and what looked like the end of a thick nail inserted in the bolt head which had been drilled out for the thicker pin. both the cartridge ejector screw and the bolt retaining screw were missing and the stock had been damaged and nailed together. I obviously never tried to fire the thing because I reckoned it would have been more dangerous for the firer that any target.
Anyhow, thanks for the interesting history or the weapons.
Every time othyus talks about the civil war he calls it the war of Northern aggression or the war of Southern succession😂
These guns were used by the conservative army during the Thousand days' war, in my country Colombia. Historic weapon.
aww I completely spaced on that
Well it is understandable, not many people know about that conflict and the weapons used in it, information about it is scarce online even in spanish. Other guns used during that war, that I know of, were the Mannlicher and some winchester models, but the Gras was the most widely used firearm. Btw I love your channel, probably my favorite gun channel, so informative, keep up with the good work.
Gras was usued around the world , even russian , Republican Spain & ethiopia
@@sciprio1 Which Mannlicher?
Mae I adore your shirt
i'd still like to see how a volly sight is used. And please don't anyone say....just look down the top
Well...The rifle in this one is ugly as sin itself. Then again usually the oldest rifle I shoot is a Gew.98, so anything without a magazine and shooting non-spitzer bullets is just utterly archaic to me.
Mae looks great though so I guess I'm a satisfied viewer. Loving the short hairdo again lol.
Oh and the straight wrist on the stock...Ugh...I absolutely hate Springfields with the straight wrist stocks, but the ones with the Type-C are awesome rifles...Especially the 03A3.
I love these, my country was very cool designing guns 👍
Some of the best firearm video's on Utube.! This cat here..He knows what time it is..
ADVENTURE TIME
I love Mae in slow motion recoil.
Man.. That is one elegant rifle.
Rewatching this because big bore black powder cartridge goodness
Christ, and I thought the French were desperately scraping the bottom of the barrel by distributing rolling blocks. Makes you wonder if some poor sap ended up being outfitted with a "Godspeed" and muzzleloader.
It’s like a 30.06 M1866 Allin conversion 🤪
And the lunch break is saved by C&Rsenal!
but what did you eat?
Fantastic, as ever. Thank you! :)
Woo
Hope you are enjoying making the content. Great factual "movies"... you are kings and queens of the silver screen! We are enjoying taking it in.
Found information on the number of rifles bought by Chile during the 1879 War of the Pacific and their price, it may be of interest:
Comblain II 18.206 rifles at £ 3,51 each
Gras 22.808 rifles at £ 2,48 each
Beaumont 9.964 rifles at £ 1,72 each
Kropatschek 1.952 rifles at £ 3,40 each
Winchester 4.868 carbines at £ 3.58 each
These are war contraband prices of course.
I have one a lot of similarities , makes Kynoch-Gun-Factory, Musket-43-77-380,I have a lot of questions
is it me or is the audio not quite right? Like he's on the radio...
Hope your cold gets better Othias and hopefully you guys didn't receive much damage from Matthew!
We're fine!
The video is 1080p but the audio sounds like 22khz
The common cold dose gives you a radio voice :D
More like 8kHz (ie telephone quality). 22kHz would sound much better than this.
I have one
Would you tell me what the purpose of the J hook on the guard of the bayonet. Also, how many shots before you had to clean since you were using black powder?
Glad you folks are safe. These longer format videos are just great.
Good to hear!
The wait was unbearable. Worth it. New animations are fantastic!
yay, glad you like them (guy who makes them)
THIS is your YT name?
Get well othais
I'm trying.
The bull barrel and target sights was probably used for be believe it or not target competition shooting. Who could imagine that???
Whinge! Rear échelon single shots and still no SMLE. Whinge, whinge whinge! Bloody hell when will we see the SMLE. Whinge, whinge whinge! Apart from my whinging, as usual another great production from C&Rsenel. Keep up the great work.
I mean, if this were the SMLE episode with no lead time and a hurricane that means no episode on the Medford first, no heavy research or detail, sub variations, and overall length of 30 min with terribad audio
Like a Martini Henry. Shot capacity atleast.
Nice take back on your previous video northern aggression comment.
Mean this in jest, but was this recorded on a period Edison tinfoil phonograph?
We need a longer name for the civil war that looks like it is trying to appeal to both sides of the mason Dixon line but in reality will appeal to neither, perhaps something like: the unnecessary blue grey war of northern aggression, southern rebellion, the destruction of slavery and half a nations infrastructure.
The war of southern secession, northern aggression, British neutrality, slave ending, telegraph and railroad breaking, blackpowder stabbing, dumbass northern arms procurement, Lee was great till he screwed up, and the destruction of Georgia. Also known as the war of IS THERE A SINGLE NON BIASED HISTORY BOOK ON THIS DAMN THING?
On the non biased history, uumm, NO. Just like some of the most opinionated of the commentors seem to be the least informed. No offense intended to you, others, not so much. Want to read what the South had to say about the war instead of what Congress decreed ? Look up Tapheal Semmes book on project gutenberg. I forget the title, it's long, but he only wrote one.
what the hell happened to the sound?
Watch to the end.
They had a minor outbreak and a hurricane, shit did go down.
wot, oke 0.o
Will there eventually be an MP-18 episode? That's something I'd love to see
as soon as we can borrow one.
C&Rsenal looking forward to it!
The what now?
Smiling Meg makes another appearance.
*le sigh* @May (Mae?) shooting. :D
will be interested by a duel Mauser 71 vs Gras
Oh damn when i heard "war were declared" I already started cracking
the comical plot twist of the soldiers doing silly things is just brilliant, it gets me every time
I was literally nodding off and then shot up when I heard that part. It really is brilliant.
boom
The Gras started in 1863? That's mid US Civil War where they were still using front loading muskets.
And, less frequently, breach-loading repeating carbines. The primary long arms of the US Civil War were far from being at the leading edge of technological development, in the US or elsewhere
No, 1963 was the year Corvettes had the 'split window'.
Getting all the use out of those, ha. I guess being a single shot it is easy to convert and upgrade it.
Every drop it would seem.
You both never cease to satisfy with these fine informative videos , I thank you both for all of your hard work , as a side note I don't really agree with your assessment at the end of the video concerning the rifles but that's just my opinion , 😎
I hope you are recovering soon, you are providing yeoman service.
So far so good, travel kinda dragged it out.
The audio reflects the quality of the rifle.
I like the French background music
get well soon. I think we can all forgive the sound on this. nice to know Othias isnt the Android we all suspected he was ;P
keep it up guys.
Nah, I poop like all the time
@@Candrsenal Stuff happens.
Is 8mm lebel that weak or is the bolt on this gun that strong? Able to handle smokeless powder with it only locking on the bolt itself sounds crazy. I would be scared to shoot if i didn’t know it’s history to understand it still worked
are the smokeless versions safe to shoot?!
That 8 mm ammo defiantly had more of a kick to it from what I could infer while Mae was shooting....
Definitely sharper
I have an M80 that someone converted to a 12 g shotgun.
Love the depth you do on the on the weapons of WWI, keep it up...oh and thanks for using the war were declared film, it is halirious lolXD
We'll work one up for each country and cycle the last frames.
C&Rsenal I found some possible info for the Krag working in a role like this with the US in 10th and 19th Engineers(railway)it wasn't to deep but, hope it was accurate that would be cool to see :D
I love how you are trying to show us every single gun (even ones barely used) before the SMLE aka "Smelly"
Try finding a pure MkIII. Not a MkIII*, a MkIII period, no other crap added on or taken off. It's brutal.
I might have seen one of those at a gun store in Dallas, it had the volley sights.
This looks very similar to a Mosin Nagant as far as the bolt goes.
Just got given one from a family friend the earlier model shown in the video and i can get the bolt to open. Im not sure if somewhere the trigger got pulled while the bolt was closed, dry firing it or what but any tips idk what to do. Any suggestions ?
I'm sorry... but I don't watch the riffle with the slow mo shots... at least I'm honest 😳
Holy shit I lived half of my life in Mutzig not knowing there was a firearms manufacture there
Dang
Were the bullets keyholing? The holes looked sort of elongated.
The paper wasnt up against something hard enough as he said in the comments if its pressed up harder it doesnt keyhole
When I got asked to join a French WW1 reenactment event I got me one since I didn't want to be an older guy bringing up the rear as the unit left the trench. I could stay 'in the back' and be properly armed for guard duty, lol!
Weird thing about my Gras, though, is it's a 74/80. So it was modified with that cutout to vent gasses away from the shooter's face, but it apparently was never modified for Western Front service. I can only guess it did its duty with The Foreign Legion or with colonial troops in Indochina.
wtf up with the sound?
I just realised that there's a new c&rsenal episode on the same day that I have an extra hour of school, every second Tuesday is a great day!!
oh nice.
muy didáctico. son unos artistas
Oh Mae how you make life worth living lol
I just ordered an 1880 French Gras bayonet with matching scabbard. I just wish I could find a functioning rifle that has been converted to fire the 8mm Lebel cartridge. Wishful thinking.
+C&Rsenal the sound from the video is horrible
Can you fix it?
Watch to the end of the video.
Okay...
Great work
The saber-bayonet of this rifle was for a long time the only weapon (only by day not the more dangerous night) of the Parisian police in uniform. Why could a small saber suffice and not a revolver? Killing a policeman is the guillotine in 100% of cases, injuring a policeman is 20 years jail in French Guiana with tropical diseases, malnutrition and mosquitoes the size of shrimps. (google traduction)
you don't sound so good:::: you sick???
Yep, check the update.
Well, the single shot Mas 14 does remind me alot of the Mosin Nagant with its overall look and action...
Any lead on that?
There is some chance of influence but we have not dug deep yet.
I have a M/14, I really like it, although I don't really trust the locking. I feed it with pretty cold loads.
Good call.
please please...can anyone please tell me where i can find that poster behind him????😢
I'd realy like to know what thought process resulted in adding a long-range sight for volley fire to a rifle intended for rear echelon guards...
The audio quality here is definitely a struggle for me
A struggle im willing to make
But my lil autistic brain and sensitive ears struggle