Imperial German Bayonets with a channel name like that you’ve got to be a person after my own heart lol you ever want someone to talk Imperial german military kit with I’m around. I have a bit of an obsession
Wow, riding zebras at 11:03? ... I thought zebras were too difficult to break for such duty. Sorry about such a non-gun comment but I was really surprised seeing them.
There were a few countries attempting to domesticate zebras for sub Saharan use since they wouldn't get affected by sleeping sickness, unfortunately no attempts succeeded enough to be used in combat regularly. They're also hard to transport and often kick each other to death (I believe) if not in correct formation which could also have been a reason they weren't common in south-African cavalry.
One thing that 11mm black powder cartridge has going for it is its a perfect brush gun round. A big round slow moving rounded piece of lead just doesn't get deflected by brush like a high velocity spitzer.
James Brumbeloe Yes and no. Look here: www.theboxotruth.com/the-box-o-truth-40-deflected-bullets-and-the-box-o-truth/ Turns out, unless you are using a .223, it's 2 inches or less, even in .45-70, and is still minute of man/deer.
For the numbers: Dieter Storz writes, that 12% (without carbines) of the rifle production for prussia and saxony were Jaegerbuechsen. Additionally, Wuerttemberg ordered 10.000. So if you do the math according to his book, they made around 2 Million rifles, 81,2% for prussia and 6,3% for Saxony, so in the end, you'd have around 220.000 Jaegerbuechsen. The number of 1,4 million IG71 btw. is just the number for Prussia. Which is realistic, since at the time of the franco prussian war, Prussia had 1.146.116 Dreyse rifles, 924.173 of them Infantry rifles (80%), 167.769 short rifles (14,64%) and 54.172 cavalry carbines (4,73%). The demand for carbines/short rifles in the german military until WW1 was usually around 15-20%.
Great episode. I gotta tell you guys, I'm not a gun guy. But the history that surrounds all of the firearms is what I repeatedly watch your channel for.
I love this channel more than most firearm channels. Many are to much about RIGHT NOW. This is about history and engineering. I appreciate the research and the researchers that do said research. Good work!
I love how Othias managed to pronounces the German Umlaut "Ü" when it is not there in Schutztruppe and ignore it in Büchse. Just switch the two, say Büchse and Schutztruppe and you are 100% correct. :D
Keep up the excellent work . I live in Auckland New Zealand and here in New Zealand it is now near impossible to get a firarms licence in order to collect historic firearms , so your show is really the next best thing.
Thanks to all at C&R also to Michael (Boy that Jagerbuchse has a gloriously Beautiful tiger stripe along the barrel grip) and Ian & TFM I love all Your channels also , Thanks to All those who assist C&R in their good work ,Birds of a feather flock together as they say , as do Good People , & it all Helps restore My faith in the humanity .
What people need to know about the Askari was that they weren’t just your average native troops. They were PROUD to be Askari as they considered themselves a step above the regular folks. They got disciplined training from their European officers and fought like hell. After the war the survivors were given pensions from the German government as long as they could prove they had served.
Can't wait to see more on the Mauser carbines, You have shown the first of the most aesthetically pleasing Mausers, however in a different mode, as compelling as the C96 in it's carbine form but pleasing at the other end of the eye scale. You guys are great, blah blah, woof woof.... all the usuals.
Less than 80 minutes of excellent information?. Othais, you're slacking. I should go get the whip so you go back to work in earnest ;) ;) ;) Jokes aside...once again, excellent episode :) :). Can't get enough of this channel, seriously ;).
Othias, Making accurate ammunition for the 1871 Carbine is notoriously difficult as it seems to vary significantly from the rifle. I’d appreciate hearing about what load you used, particularly the bullet. I really want to shoot mine more as it’s in even nicer condition than the example you had. Thanks.
I AGREE with those wanting the extractor and ejector. It doesn't just look undignified to fiddle with the gun to flop it out. When you look at it that action is like screaming out a red flag that would lead to aggravation, accidents, or malfunctions during a battle. I want to say I should take it easy on the guys who decided not to put those two mechanisms in the devise when it was being developed because metalic cartridges and more modern guns were still in the process of exploration. I am not though. It is a very obvious sign just by looking at it that action of fiddling is going to lead to issues somehow. There were also guns existing out there that already had them by the time the gun was introduced. (hentry lever actions) It feels like either two things happened for them to not include them. 1. The guns that had extractors and ejectors were still not as prevalent and common enough where the developers would remember it might be a good idea to have that feature while designing. Even after remembering they probably just felt like it might not be much a big deal since most other nations did not have it too. (they were still fair). 2. The people just underestimated the inconvenience low enough to be acceptable. None of them had that fore sight or click in their mind, "You know what? That is kind of tricky to flop it out if you do not perform it right or something in happening preventing or handicapping the user to do the regular old flop it out by turning the rifle over to its side routine. Maybe we should make it positive and easier the casings come out of it each time they reload."
Evan Hitler backed off from him. Hitler asked von Lettow-Vorbeck to be an Ambassador to England, allegedly von Lettow-Vorbeck told him to "go to hell", though there is an eye witness who said that "he was nowhere near as polite as that". Unlike a lot of people who dared tick him off, Hitler seems not to have dared have von Lettow-Vorbeck done away with!
Othais just pronounced "Jägerbüchse" almost 100 times better than any other american youtuber/Tv host/museum curator or any english speaking "expert" that I've ever seen. hats tipped for that!
Since you love big bore black powder an idea for after the Great War series is done: developmental history of the Springfield and harpers ferry muskets, rifled and rifled muskets. Since the first Springfield muskets were patterned on the French Charleville musket, a devolmental history of French muskets should be included. wikipedia doesn’t describe changes in models anywhere near as well as You do
sorta but not in a standard configuration so we've struggled. Germany apparently managed a few hundred but they seem to have only turned up in photo booths as props.
I was planning on ordering a few from buffalo arms, and loading from those, for a inexperienced loader its probably best to start with brass already made.
if you want a primer on doing it raw using 50/70 brass: see the video by Iraqveteran888 on the subject. Basically you start by trimming to length using a Drummel. then size the neck in a 8mm Lebel die about 1/4 down. then neck size again using a 45/70 die. then a 3rd time ncek size using a 45LC die. Then load, fire form and trim again. Doing this, I have 7 perfect beaumont cases and ended up crushing a LOT of others.
First thing I do when I buy an old rifle is re-watch the C&R video. You snuck in the K71 at the very end of the video. This one is only missing the nosecap and they cut the front section of stock. Lol... shoulda bid on the loose collection of nosecaps from the same auction i guess :p If anyone knows... the action screws... the one at the bottom side of the stock in the little escutcheon plate and the one from the top at the back of the action are frozen solid and boogered up. Does anyone have any of these? Are they the same screw as 98s? Does anyone know the thread size and pitch? Before I drill them out I would like to have a plan. Ammo is impossible... so will be a long time before I can make some. Thanks!
I think Othias's grunting is an autonomic thing. He doesn't want to, but it just happens. Except for when he's conscious about it and kinda stifles it. He says he does it to convey weight... but I don't buy it for a second. XD It just seems to happen too much on automatic, and too frequently to be intentional...
Does anyone know of the music that play when Mae shoots the Jägerbüchse and Carbine? Been trying to look around for it and can't find it (and it's quite catchy).
Re: Othias German. It's all right. The pronunciation of the Umlaut is not spot on but it's close enough for government work to quote another UA-camr. In case more is needed, this native speaker is willing to help. Keep up the good work.
"I know what you guys really want..."
Othais' collection of flannel shirts, hats, and .32 pistols!
"You want to see Mae shoot it."
O-Oh......
Flannel, duck tape, and a trust knife. That's all you need.
I dream of swimming naked through a sea of .32 self loading pistols
If Ian is Gun Jesus, Othias is Gun Moses.
Does that make Hickok45 a disciple?
Chris Cary He’s John the Baptist, in the wilderness smoking pot.
Forgotten MREs nyet, rifle is fine.
Then who is Mae?
ltflak Gun Aphrodite
Mae: "...as I said before, I prefer it a little more in the rear..."
Great video as always.
God I'm glad My husband doesn't watch these
He'd find this comment be like
"Hey April, hey April, look look, is You!"
Great Episode. Thank you for mentioning me in the description. The Hirschfänger 1871 is really one of my favorite bayonets.
Imperial German Bayonets with a channel name like that you’ve got to be a person after my own heart lol you ever want someone to talk Imperial german military kit with I’m around. I have a bit of an obsession
A Hirschfänger was once only allowed for nobles, Forrest officials and professional Hunters.
"Two guns, one episode" reaction videos coming soon.
I stay up late every Monday for these. You all are the best.
I was just about to go to bed. screw it, sleep is for the weak. I need to keep my priorities straight.
Thank you gun Moses.
Wow, riding zebras at 11:03? ... I thought zebras were too difficult to break for such duty. Sorry about such a non-gun comment but I was really surprised seeing them.
It could be a zorse
I thought their ankles were too weak for any kind of carrying. soo yeah maybe zorse?
You can train zebras, but it's more time consuming. Carrying capacity is fine.
There were a few countries attempting to domesticate zebras for sub Saharan use since they wouldn't get affected by sleeping sickness, unfortunately no attempts succeeded enough to be used in combat regularly. They're also hard to transport and often kick each other to death (I believe) if not in correct formation which could also have been a reason they weren't common in south-African cavalry.
What's up with the guys faces that are riding them?
Othias Thank you; a excellent well researched presentation (as usual) My compliments to you and your team. WELL DONE!!
One thing that 11mm black powder cartridge has going for it is its a perfect brush gun round. A big round slow moving rounded piece of lead just doesn't get deflected by brush like a high velocity spitzer.
James Brumbeloe Yes and no. Look here: www.theboxotruth.com/the-box-o-truth-40-deflected-bullets-and-the-box-o-truth/
Turns out, unless you are using a .223, it's 2 inches or less, even in .45-70, and is still minute of man/deer.
Once again:
OUTSTANDING!!!
Your pronounciation of Jägerbüchse is absolutely ok. Well at least as a German I understand it :P
For the numbers: Dieter Storz writes, that 12% (without carbines) of the rifle production for prussia and saxony were Jaegerbuechsen. Additionally, Wuerttemberg ordered 10.000. So if you do the math according to his book, they made around 2 Million rifles, 81,2% for prussia and 6,3% for Saxony, so in the end, you'd have around 220.000 Jaegerbuechsen. The number of 1,4 million IG71 btw. is just the number for Prussia. Which is realistic, since at the time of the franco prussian war, Prussia had 1.146.116 Dreyse rifles, 924.173 of them Infantry rifles (80%), 167.769 short rifles (14,64%) and 54.172 cavalry carbines (4,73%). The demand for carbines/short rifles in the german military until WW1 was usually around 15-20%.
Württemberg ordered 10000 Jägerbüchsen for having only one Regiment of Jäger?
Great episode. I gotta tell you guys, I'm not a gun guy. But the history that surrounds all of the firearms is what I repeatedly watch your channel for.
Ironically, these days the designated marksmen are more likely to have longer barrels.
Holy shit you’re right...
I love this channel more than most firearm channels. Many are to much about RIGHT NOW. This is about history and engineering. I appreciate the research and the researchers that do said research.
Good work!
5 minutes in: "That's basically it". *spends another 40 minutes*
Love the music change with the closer look at the guns. Christ that round packs a PUNCH!
39:34 Mae, phrasing, please...
lol
I love how Othias managed to pronounces the German Umlaut "Ü" when it is not there in Schutztruppe and ignore it in Büchse. Just switch the two, say Büchse and Schutztruppe and you are 100% correct. :D
Such a gorgeous piece, the 1871 jagerbüsche and the kropatschek are becomming my favorite bolt actions.
"I prefer it a little more in the rear" ~ Mae.
Keep up the excellent work . I live in Auckland New Zealand and here in New Zealand it is now near impossible to get a firarms licence in order to collect historic firearms , so your show is really the next best thing.
Always a good feeling when I see that little number one next to my C&Rsenal subscription.
Thanks Micheal
Thank you Micheal! Thanks guys for another great episode.
The wood on that rifle is beautiful!
Thanks to all at C&R also to Michael (Boy that Jagerbuchse has a gloriously Beautiful tiger stripe along the barrel grip) and Ian & TFM I love all Your channels also , Thanks to All those who assist C&R in their good work ,Birds of a feather flock together as they say , as do Good People , & it all Helps restore My faith in the humanity .
What people need to know about the Askari was that they weren’t just your average native troops. They were PROUD to be Askari as they considered themselves a step above the regular folks. They got disciplined training from their European officers and fought like hell. After the war the survivors were given pensions from the German government as long as they could prove they had served.
Raised hand, going back watching old episodes.
Just got home from a field trip to Boston, not only did I see the blue man group but a new c&rsenal vid double win
Love you guys!
Can't wait to see more on the Mauser carbines, You have shown the first of the most aesthetically pleasing Mausers, however in a different mode, as compelling as the C96 in it's carbine form but pleasing at the other end of the eye scale.
You guys are great, blah blah, woof woof.... all the usuals.
This one was a very good episode :-) Its great that you guys cover also such exotic things!
Less than 80 minutes of excellent information?. Othais, you're slacking. I should go get the whip so you go back to work in earnest ;) ;) ;)
Jokes aside...once again, excellent episode :) :). Can't get enough of this channel, seriously ;).
Like the background music you put in the discussion of the guns' background
outstanding as always
Thank you Michael.
Thank you Michael
As always great content and great work
Well said my friend,buying books vorbek right now!
Thank you Micheal!
Thanks Mike!
I freaking love that carbine!
Othias, Making accurate ammunition for the 1871 Carbine is notoriously difficult as it seems to vary significantly from the rifle. I’d appreciate hearing about what load you used, particularly the bullet. I really want to shoot mine more as it’s in even nicer condition than the example you had. Thanks.
Thanks Michael
There's a good bio piece over on The Great War about Letow-Vorbeck
I have an Austrian built carbine that someone sporterized at some point. Thanks for helping me figure out which version of the 71 it was!
Cheers Micheal your rifle is exactly the correct length 👍
Thank you Micheal!!!
great as always!
thanks Michael
I AGREE with those wanting the extractor and ejector. It doesn't just look undignified to fiddle with the gun to flop it out. When you look at it that action is like screaming out a red flag that would lead to aggravation, accidents, or malfunctions during a battle. I want to say I should take it easy on the guys who decided not to put those two mechanisms in the devise when it was being developed because metalic cartridges and more modern guns were still in the process of exploration. I am not though. It is a very obvious sign just by looking at it that action of fiddling is going to lead to issues somehow. There were also guns existing out there that already had them by the time the gun was introduced. (hentry lever actions) It feels like either two things happened for them to not include them. 1. The guns that had extractors and ejectors were still not as prevalent and common enough where the developers would remember it might be a good idea to have that feature while designing. Even after remembering they probably just felt like it might not be much a big deal since most other nations did not have it too. (they were still fair). 2. The people just underestimated the inconvenience low enough to be acceptable. None of them had that fore sight or click in their mind, "You know what? That is kind of tricky to flop it out if you do not perform it right or something in happening preventing or handicapping the user to do the regular old flop it out by turning the rifle over to its side routine. Maybe we should make it positive and easier the casings come out of it each time they reload."
It might be just me...but I think Mae really enjoyed shooting this rifle.
von Lettow-Vorbeck was a beast
Evan Hitler backed off from him. Hitler asked von Lettow-Vorbeck to be an Ambassador to England, allegedly von Lettow-Vorbeck told him to "go to hell", though there is an eye witness who said that "he was nowhere near as polite as that". Unlike a lot of people who dared tick him off, Hitler seems not to have dared have von Lettow-Vorbeck done away with!
Von Lettow-Vorbeck was a real big dick OG. The hat alone makes that perfectly clear.
Another great vid. Thanks
Othais just pronounced "Jägerbüchse" almost 100 times better than any other american youtuber/Tv host/museum curator or any english speaking "expert" that I've ever seen. hats tipped for that!
Thank you michael
When you guys are done with WWI, I have some good weapons I'll send you.
Got any book suggestions for aforementioned German guerrilla warfare master?
3 years late, but African Kaiser is a good book. Very much a celebration of Lettow-Vorbeck, little coverage of the scorched earth stuff.
@@same242 Thanks, just bought it on Amazon off this recommendation!
Fun episode guys!
I knew I had insomnia for a reason...
Thx Michael
Oh hey, it's the jaeger.... jaeger.... uh... jaeger bucks? Jaeger bus? ... the jaeger. Not the fallschirm, the other one. Yeah.
31:35 just rewatching. Hi, past Othias
Awesome :)
Where do you get the ammo for all these unusual weapons
Does Mae have an ammo shortage?
I love old german rifles. I wish I had one of these black powder guns.
I am not going to lie. I like the cowboy hats with side brims flipped up.
My Greatgrandfahter used this rifle in ww1(and brought it back home after the war) so i'm here to learn more about it
No comment on how beautiful the wood is?!
Good video
Since you love big bore black powder an idea for after the Great War series is done: developmental history of the Springfield and harpers ferry muskets, rifled and rifled muskets. Since the first Springfield muskets were patterned on the French Charleville musket, a devolmental history of French muskets should be included. wikipedia doesn’t describe changes in models anywhere near as well as You do
Oh how I want to buy one of these
Othias, did the beaumont vitali see service during the war?
sorta but not in a standard configuration so we've struggled. Germany apparently managed a few hundred but they seem to have only turned up in photo booths as props.
anychance it will appear on the show? or after ww1?
I have one. Loading for it is a BEAR! You need to fabricate your own brass for it.
I was planning on ordering a few from buffalo arms, and loading from those, for a inexperienced loader its probably best to start with brass already made.
if you want a primer on doing it raw using 50/70 brass: see the video by Iraqveteran888 on the subject. Basically you start by trimming to length using a Drummel. then size the neck in a 8mm Lebel die about 1/4 down. then neck size again using a 45/70 die. then a 3rd time ncek size using a 45LC die. Then load, fire form and trim again. Doing this, I have 7 perfect beaumont cases and ended up crushing a LOT of others.
There's a lot of peaking in the latest episodes. It was limitited before, but this one is really obvious. You may want to take a look at this.
Othias, After you guys finish up with the guns of World War 1 could you do a video on Lettow-Vorbeck?
I thought that we were going to see the Gewehr 71/84 but I stil like this rifle that I have never heard form
C&Rsenal has caught a wild 1871 Jägerbüchse! Add it to the Gundex? (one day you guys WILL catch 'em all, I believe in you :thumbsup: )
What kind of Maxim gun is that at the end? I want to say an MG08, but the tripod looks different.
I bet if you stay tuned on another episode they will tell you all about it
Daniel Butka that is an MG08. It is just the DWM export model (nothing is different from the MG08 besides the mount).
The Great War did a good special on Von Lettow-Vorbeck. I'm surprised you didn't mention it.
I dont know what to think of the background music. It seems off but in the right place.
First thing I do when I buy an old rifle is re-watch the C&R video. You snuck in the K71 at the very end of the video. This one is only missing the nosecap and they cut the front section of stock. Lol... shoulda bid on the loose collection of nosecaps from the same auction i guess :p
If anyone knows... the action screws... the one at the bottom side of the stock in the little escutcheon plate and the one from the top at the back of the action are frozen solid and boogered up. Does anyone have any of these? Are they the same screw as 98s? Does anyone know the thread size and pitch? Before I drill them out I would like to have a plan. Ammo is impossible... so will be a long time before I can make some. Thanks!
What pistols were used in the Franco Prussian war I've looked and looked and all I can find for pistols are french pinfire revolvers
I think Othias's grunting is an autonomic thing. He doesn't want to, but it just happens. Except for when he's conscious about it and kinda stifles it. He says he does it to convey weight... but I don't buy it for a second. XD
It just seems to happen too much on automatic, and too frequently to be intentional...
Are there any good literary trust worthy works on Paul von Lettow-Vorbeck for suggestions?
There is a book written by him self.
Does anyone know of the music that play when Mae shoots the Jägerbüchse and Carbine? Been trying to look around for it and can't find it (and it's quite catchy).
Will this Jäger make me black out and vomit everywhere?
You pronounce "Jäger" perfect!
Do a vid on the Lee Navy
-Sees a bunch of shiny full autos- I don't see anything in that post credits scene. Nope, absolutely nothing to see here.
Well I never saw that rifle before.
some nice wood on that gun for a military rifle although it could just be the magic of the light box
Re: Othias German. It's all right. The pronunciation of the Umlaut is not spot on but it's close enough for government work to quote another UA-camr. In case more is needed, this native speaker is willing to help. Keep up the good work.
Is That a kropatsheck under the martini?
All Mauser Channel? What happened to my All .32ACP Show?
True story... Jagermeister originally was both a drink, and cleaning agent Jagerbuchse.
And it tastes like cough mixture. Had some when I was in Germany a few years back.
you guys should do the Swedish Mausers, and some more Scandinavian firearms
Announcements MGs are L to R Hotchkiss, Lewis, Chauchat and 08/15 right?