Imperial German Bayonets with a channel name like that you’ve got to be a person after my own heart lol you ever want someone to talk Imperial german military kit with I’m around. I have a bit of an obsession
Wow, riding zebras at 11:03? ... I thought zebras were too difficult to break for such duty. Sorry about such a non-gun comment but I was really surprised seeing them.
There were a few countries attempting to domesticate zebras for sub Saharan use since they wouldn't get affected by sleeping sickness, unfortunately no attempts succeeded enough to be used in combat regularly. They're also hard to transport and often kick each other to death (I believe) if not in correct formation which could also have been a reason they weren't common in south-African cavalry.
For the numbers: Dieter Storz writes, that 12% (without carbines) of the rifle production for prussia and saxony were Jaegerbuechsen. Additionally, Wuerttemberg ordered 10.000. So if you do the math according to his book, they made around 2 Million rifles, 81,2% for prussia and 6,3% for Saxony, so in the end, you'd have around 220.000 Jaegerbuechsen. The number of 1,4 million IG71 btw. is just the number for Prussia. Which is realistic, since at the time of the franco prussian war, Prussia had 1.146.116 Dreyse rifles, 924.173 of them Infantry rifles (80%), 167.769 short rifles (14,64%) and 54.172 cavalry carbines (4,73%). The demand for carbines/short rifles in the german military until WW1 was usually around 15-20%.
One thing that 11mm black powder cartridge has going for it is its a perfect brush gun round. A big round slow moving rounded piece of lead just doesn't get deflected by brush like a high velocity spitzer.
James Brumbeloe Yes and no. Look here: www.theboxotruth.com/the-box-o-truth-40-deflected-bullets-and-the-box-o-truth/ Turns out, unless you are using a .223, it's 2 inches or less, even in .45-70, and is still minute of man/deer.
I love how Othias managed to pronounces the German Umlaut "Ü" when it is not there in Schutztruppe and ignore it in Büchse. Just switch the two, say Büchse and Schutztruppe and you are 100% correct. :D
I love this channel more than most firearm channels. Many are to much about RIGHT NOW. This is about history and engineering. I appreciate the research and the researchers that do said research. Good work!
Great episode. I gotta tell you guys, I'm not a gun guy. But the history that surrounds all of the firearms is what I repeatedly watch your channel for.
Keep up the excellent work . I live in Auckland New Zealand and here in New Zealand it is now near impossible to get a firarms licence in order to collect historic firearms , so your show is really the next best thing.
Thanks to all at C&R also to Michael (Boy that Jagerbuchse has a gloriously Beautiful tiger stripe along the barrel grip) and Ian & TFM I love all Your channels also , Thanks to All those who assist C&R in their good work ,Birds of a feather flock together as they say , as do Good People , & it all Helps restore My faith in the humanity .
I AGREE with those wanting the extractor and ejector. It doesn't just look undignified to fiddle with the gun to flop it out. When you look at it that action is like screaming out a red flag that would lead to aggravation, accidents, or malfunctions during a battle. I want to say I should take it easy on the guys who decided not to put those two mechanisms in the devise when it was being developed because metalic cartridges and more modern guns were still in the process of exploration. I am not though. It is a very obvious sign just by looking at it that action of fiddling is going to lead to issues somehow. There were also guns existing out there that already had them by the time the gun was introduced. (hentry lever actions) It feels like either two things happened for them to not include them. 1. The guns that had extractors and ejectors were still not as prevalent and common enough where the developers would remember it might be a good idea to have that feature while designing. Even after remembering they probably just felt like it might not be much a big deal since most other nations did not have it too. (they were still fair). 2. The people just underestimated the inconvenience low enough to be acceptable. None of them had that fore sight or click in their mind, "You know what? That is kind of tricky to flop it out if you do not perform it right or something in happening preventing or handicapping the user to do the regular old flop it out by turning the rifle over to its side routine. Maybe we should make it positive and easier the casings come out of it each time they reload."
Can't wait to see more on the Mauser carbines, You have shown the first of the most aesthetically pleasing Mausers, however in a different mode, as compelling as the C96 in it's carbine form but pleasing at the other end of the eye scale. You guys are great, blah blah, woof woof.... all the usuals.
Less than 80 minutes of excellent information?. Othais, you're slacking. I should go get the whip so you go back to work in earnest ;) ;) ;) Jokes aside...once again, excellent episode :) :). Can't get enough of this channel, seriously ;).
Othias, Making accurate ammunition for the 1871 Carbine is notoriously difficult as it seems to vary significantly from the rifle. I’d appreciate hearing about what load you used, particularly the bullet. I really want to shoot mine more as it’s in even nicer condition than the example you had. Thanks.
Evan Hitler backed off from him. Hitler asked von Lettow-Vorbeck to be an Ambassador to England, allegedly von Lettow-Vorbeck told him to "go to hell", though there is an eye witness who said that "he was nowhere near as polite as that". Unlike a lot of people who dared tick him off, Hitler seems not to have dared have von Lettow-Vorbeck done away with!
What people need to know about the Askari was that they weren’t just your average native troops. They were PROUD to be Askari as they considered themselves a step above the regular folks. They got disciplined training from their European officers and fought like hell. After the war the survivors were given pensions from the German government as long as they could prove they had served.
Since you love big bore black powder an idea for after the Great War series is done: developmental history of the Springfield and harpers ferry muskets, rifled and rifled muskets. Since the first Springfield muskets were patterned on the French Charleville musket, a devolmental history of French muskets should be included. wikipedia doesn’t describe changes in models anywhere near as well as You do
Fun Fact: The best way to actually prevent your natives from having a revolt against you is this. Simply do stuff that makes them like you. Make their lives easier, prosperous, and treat them fairly with a logical reason justifying them to stay under your rule. People rarely want to revolt against those they like. Simply do not give them reasons to hate you and want to rebel. Simple as that. (It is also a good tactic if you just defeated a nation in a brutal war where there obviously be a lot of folks with resentment and anger, that you now want to pacify them in order to prevent them to start another war with you out of grievances, and from allowing another nut or deucebag that will become a dictator from getting into office. You take over them but you improve the conditions and lives of people to make folks not create a desire to redeem themselves by fighting you again. U.S. done this to Japan after ww2. It was their tactic to avoid another mistake the allies done to Germany after winning ww1. Things got worse for them, and soon they got angry and crazy. Soon they started wanting to find outlets to put more blame for their condition and finding people that promised them to change things. This is when minority hatred grew, and how Hitler got popular. Considering Japan today has a lower crime, unemployment rate, and everything else better than the U.S. itself, and actually brought people from both nations closer together in business cooperation, to a point they do not have that, "I want blood revenge on you for ww2," ... this tactic is a LOT better. It's only the lowlifes, the uncouth, the nuts, idiots, racists, and the trolls online that usually have that revenge attitude ) Britain also done this tactic with the French colonies after the French Indian war. They done things to appeal to them. The catch was... they put so much effort on them they did not put more effort on their English colonies. This is one of the many factors to instigate the lead up to the revolution. Everyone predicted a resentment and revolt after the French and Indian war ended. The sad truth though, there was no way they could have put equal amount of appealing and effort to both. If they did it would not be enough to quell the French colonists. If they decided to stick to the English ones then the French would rebel. If they put more attention on the French ones, well... they done that in our history, and they lost America. It was literally one of those tough inescapable situations in life that forces you to make adult choices with consequences with both decisions. The upside though... they did manage to quell any signs of revolts on the French groups by trying this tactic. This tells you the tactic works. Usually any incidents will be easily solved or not be as bad if you chose to do the paranoid totalitarian route of trying to watch out and keep people in your control.
I seem to recall you mentioning that the MG08 was the last big missing piece of the Maxim story... If I'm not mistaken from the sled mount, that must no longer be the case. EDIT: It's late, and I just rewatched the end. It isnt a sled mount.
Othais just pronounced "Jägerbüchse" almost 100 times better than any other american youtuber/Tv host/museum curator or any english speaking "expert" that I've ever seen. hats tipped for that!
Wait, didn't the Serbians use a variation of the 1871 before they used the 1899 mauser? Did those guys drag them back up for WWI, and if so, will you be covering it?
Re: Othias German. It's all right. The pronunciation of the Umlaut is not spot on but it's close enough for government work to quote another UA-camr. In case more is needed, this native speaker is willing to help. Keep up the good work.
I think Othias's grunting is an autonomic thing. He doesn't want to, but it just happens. Except for when he's conscious about it and kinda stifles it. He says he does it to convey weight... but I don't buy it for a second. XD It just seems to happen too much on automatic, and too frequently to be intentional...
sorta but not in a standard configuration so we've struggled. Germany apparently managed a few hundred but they seem to have only turned up in photo booths as props.
I was planning on ordering a few from buffalo arms, and loading from those, for a inexperienced loader its probably best to start with brass already made.
if you want a primer on doing it raw using 50/70 brass: see the video by Iraqveteran888 on the subject. Basically you start by trimming to length using a Drummel. then size the neck in a 8mm Lebel die about 1/4 down. then neck size again using a 45/70 die. then a 3rd time ncek size using a 45LC die. Then load, fire form and trim again. Doing this, I have 7 perfect beaumont cases and ended up crushing a LOT of others.
Not gun specific but the Germans flew an airship from my grandfather's old town of Yambol in Bulgaria to Von-Lettow in East Africa in November 1917 but was called back from the Sudan. LZ104(L59) finally was lost in whilst outward bound on a bombing mission to Malta from Yambol.
Does anyone know of the music that play when Mae shoots the Jägerbüchse and Carbine? Been trying to look around for it and can't find it (and it's quite catchy).
"I know what you guys really want..."
Othais' collection of flannel shirts, hats, and .32 pistols!
"You want to see Mae shoot it."
O-Oh......
Flannel, duck tape, and a trust knife. That's all you need.
I dream of swimming naked through a sea of .32 self loading pistols
If Ian is Gun Jesus, Othias is Gun Moses.
Does that make Hickok45 a disciple?
Chris Cary He’s John the Baptist, in the wilderness smoking pot.
Forgotten MREs nyet, rifle is fine.
Then who is Mae?
ltflak Gun Aphrodite
Mae: "...as I said before, I prefer it a little more in the rear..."
Great video as always.
God I'm glad My husband doesn't watch these
He'd find this comment be like
"Hey April, hey April, look look, is You!"
Great Episode. Thank you for mentioning me in the description. The Hirschfänger 1871 is really one of my favorite bayonets.
Imperial German Bayonets with a channel name like that you’ve got to be a person after my own heart lol you ever want someone to talk Imperial german military kit with I’m around. I have a bit of an obsession
A Hirschfänger was once only allowed for nobles, Forrest officials and professional Hunters.
"Two guns, one episode" reaction videos coming soon.
Ironically, these days the designated marksmen are more likely to have longer barrels.
Holy shit you’re right...
5 minutes in: "That's basically it". *spends another 40 minutes*
Thank you Michael.
Wow, riding zebras at 11:03? ... I thought zebras were too difficult to break for such duty. Sorry about such a non-gun comment but I was really surprised seeing them.
It could be a zorse
I thought their ankles were too weak for any kind of carrying. soo yeah maybe zorse?
You can train zebras, but it's more time consuming. Carrying capacity is fine.
There were a few countries attempting to domesticate zebras for sub Saharan use since they wouldn't get affected by sleeping sickness, unfortunately no attempts succeeded enough to be used in combat regularly. They're also hard to transport and often kick each other to death (I believe) if not in correct formation which could also have been a reason they weren't common in south-African cavalry.
What's up with the guys faces that are riding them?
Your pronounciation of Jägerbüchse is absolutely ok. Well at least as a German I understand it :P
For the numbers: Dieter Storz writes, that 12% (without carbines) of the rifle production for prussia and saxony were Jaegerbuechsen. Additionally, Wuerttemberg ordered 10.000. So if you do the math according to his book, they made around 2 Million rifles, 81,2% for prussia and 6,3% for Saxony, so in the end, you'd have around 220.000 Jaegerbuechsen. The number of 1,4 million IG71 btw. is just the number for Prussia. Which is realistic, since at the time of the franco prussian war, Prussia had 1.146.116 Dreyse rifles, 924.173 of them Infantry rifles (80%), 167.769 short rifles (14,64%) and 54.172 cavalry carbines (4,73%). The demand for carbines/short rifles in the german military until WW1 was usually around 15-20%.
Württemberg ordered 10000 Jägerbüchsen for having only one Regiment of Jäger?
One thing that 11mm black powder cartridge has going for it is its a perfect brush gun round. A big round slow moving rounded piece of lead just doesn't get deflected by brush like a high velocity spitzer.
James Brumbeloe Yes and no. Look here: www.theboxotruth.com/the-box-o-truth-40-deflected-bullets-and-the-box-o-truth/
Turns out, unless you are using a .223, it's 2 inches or less, even in .45-70, and is still minute of man/deer.
I love how Othias managed to pronounces the German Umlaut "Ü" when it is not there in Schutztruppe and ignore it in Büchse. Just switch the two, say Büchse and Schutztruppe and you are 100% correct. :D
Thank you gun Moses.
I stay up late every Monday for these. You all are the best.
I was just about to go to bed. screw it, sleep is for the weak. I need to keep my priorities straight.
Othias Thank you; a excellent well researched presentation (as usual) My compliments to you and your team. WELL DONE!!
"I prefer it a little more in the rear" ~ Mae.
Once again:
OUTSTANDING!!!
Love the music change with the closer look at the guns. Christ that round packs a PUNCH!
39:34 Mae, phrasing, please...
lol
I love this channel more than most firearm channels. Many are to much about RIGHT NOW. This is about history and engineering. I appreciate the research and the researchers that do said research.
Good work!
Great episode. I gotta tell you guys, I'm not a gun guy. But the history that surrounds all of the firearms is what I repeatedly watch your channel for.
Such a gorgeous piece, the 1871 jagerbüsche and the kropatschek are becomming my favorite bolt actions.
The wood on that rifle is beautiful!
Keep up the excellent work . I live in Auckland New Zealand and here in New Zealand it is now near impossible to get a firarms licence in order to collect historic firearms , so your show is really the next best thing.
Thanks Micheal
Thanks Michael
Thanks to all at C&R also to Michael (Boy that Jagerbuchse has a gloriously Beautiful tiger stripe along the barrel grip) and Ian & TFM I love all Your channels also , Thanks to All those who assist C&R in their good work ,Birds of a feather flock together as they say , as do Good People , & it all Helps restore My faith in the humanity .
Always a good feeling when I see that little number one next to my C&Rsenal subscription.
I AGREE with those wanting the extractor and ejector. It doesn't just look undignified to fiddle with the gun to flop it out. When you look at it that action is like screaming out a red flag that would lead to aggravation, accidents, or malfunctions during a battle. I want to say I should take it easy on the guys who decided not to put those two mechanisms in the devise when it was being developed because metalic cartridges and more modern guns were still in the process of exploration. I am not though. It is a very obvious sign just by looking at it that action of fiddling is going to lead to issues somehow. There were also guns existing out there that already had them by the time the gun was introduced. (hentry lever actions) It feels like either two things happened for them to not include them. 1. The guns that had extractors and ejectors were still not as prevalent and common enough where the developers would remember it might be a good idea to have that feature while designing. Even after remembering they probably just felt like it might not be much a big deal since most other nations did not have it too. (they were still fair). 2. The people just underestimated the inconvenience low enough to be acceptable. None of them had that fore sight or click in their mind, "You know what? That is kind of tricky to flop it out if you do not perform it right or something in happening preventing or handicapping the user to do the regular old flop it out by turning the rifle over to its side routine. Maybe we should make it positive and easier the casings come out of it each time they reload."
Will this Jäger make me black out and vomit everywhere?
Can't wait to see more on the Mauser carbines, You have shown the first of the most aesthetically pleasing Mausers, however in a different mode, as compelling as the C96 in it's carbine form but pleasing at the other end of the eye scale.
You guys are great, blah blah, woof woof.... all the usuals.
Just got home from a field trip to Boston, not only did I see the blue man group but a new c&rsenal vid double win
Less than 80 minutes of excellent information?. Othais, you're slacking. I should go get the whip so you go back to work in earnest ;) ;) ;)
Jokes aside...once again, excellent episode :) :). Can't get enough of this channel, seriously ;).
Love you guys!
I knew I had insomnia for a reason...
When you guys are done with WWI, I have some good weapons I'll send you.
There's a good bio piece over on The Great War about Letow-Vorbeck
Liking the machine gun collection in the updates.
Othias, Making accurate ammunition for the 1871 Carbine is notoriously difficult as it seems to vary significantly from the rifle. I’d appreciate hearing about what load you used, particularly the bullet. I really want to shoot mine more as it’s in even nicer condition than the example you had. Thanks.
Thank you Micheal! Thanks guys for another great episode.
C&Rsenal has caught a wild 1871 Jägerbüchse! Add it to the Gundex? (one day you guys WILL catch 'em all, I believe in you :thumbsup: )
I freaking love that carbine!
von Lettow-Vorbeck was a beast
Evan Hitler backed off from him. Hitler asked von Lettow-Vorbeck to be an Ambassador to England, allegedly von Lettow-Vorbeck told him to "go to hell", though there is an eye witness who said that "he was nowhere near as polite as that". Unlike a lot of people who dared tick him off, Hitler seems not to have dared have von Lettow-Vorbeck done away with!
Von Lettow-Vorbeck was a real big dick OG. The hat alone makes that perfectly clear.
Raised hand, going back watching old episodes.
Like the background music you put in the discussion of the guns' background
I have an Austrian built carbine that someone sporterized at some point. Thanks for helping me figure out which version of the 71 it was!
What people need to know about the Askari was that they weren’t just your average native troops. They were PROUD to be Askari as they considered themselves a step above the regular folks. They got disciplined training from their European officers and fought like hell. After the war the survivors were given pensions from the German government as long as they could prove they had served.
This one was a very good episode :-) Its great that you guys cover also such exotic things!
Oh hey, it's the jaeger.... jaeger.... uh... jaeger bucks? Jaeger bus? ... the jaeger. Not the fallschirm, the other one. Yeah.
You pronounce "Jäger" perfect!
Since you love big bore black powder an idea for after the Great War series is done: developmental history of the Springfield and harpers ferry muskets, rifled and rifled muskets. Since the first Springfield muskets were patterned on the French Charleville musket, a devolmental history of French muskets should be included. wikipedia doesn’t describe changes in models anywhere near as well as You do
I am not going to lie. I like the cowboy hats with side brims flipped up.
Fun Fact: The best way to actually prevent your natives from having a revolt against you is this. Simply do stuff that makes them like you. Make their lives easier, prosperous, and treat them fairly with a logical reason justifying them to stay under your rule. People rarely want to revolt against those they like. Simply do not give them reasons to hate you and want to rebel. Simple as that.
(It is also a good tactic if you just defeated a nation in a brutal war where there obviously be a lot of folks with resentment and anger, that you now want to pacify them in order to prevent them to start another war with you out of grievances, and from allowing another nut or deucebag that will become a dictator from getting into office. You take over them but you improve the conditions and lives of people to make folks not create a desire to redeem themselves by fighting you again. U.S. done this to Japan after ww2. It was their tactic to avoid another mistake the allies done to Germany after winning ww1. Things got worse for them, and soon they got angry and crazy. Soon they started wanting to find outlets to put more blame for their condition and finding people that promised them to change things. This is when minority hatred grew, and how Hitler got popular. Considering Japan today has a lower crime, unemployment rate, and everything else better than the U.S. itself, and actually brought people from both nations closer together in business cooperation, to a point they do not have that, "I want blood revenge on you for ww2," ... this tactic is a LOT better. It's only the lowlifes, the uncouth, the nuts, idiots, racists, and the trolls online that usually have that revenge attitude )
Britain also done this tactic with the French colonies after the French Indian war. They done things to appeal to them. The catch was... they put so much effort on them they did not put more effort on their English colonies. This is one of the many factors to instigate the lead up to the revolution. Everyone predicted a resentment and revolt after the French and Indian war ended. The sad truth though, there was no way they could have put equal amount of appealing and effort to both. If they did it would not be enough to quell the French colonists. If they decided to stick to the English ones then the French would rebel. If they put more attention on the French ones, well... they done that in our history, and they lost America. It was literally one of those tough inescapable situations in life that forces you to make adult choices with consequences with both decisions. The upside though... they did manage to quell any signs of revolts on the French groups by trying this tactic. This tells you the tactic works. Usually any incidents will be easily solved or not be as bad if you chose to do the paranoid totalitarian route of trying to watch out and keep people in your control.
It might be just me...but I think Mae really enjoyed shooting this rifle.
-Sees a bunch of shiny full autos- I don't see anything in that post credits scene. Nope, absolutely nothing to see here.
True story... Jagermeister originally was both a drink, and cleaning agent Jagerbuchse.
And it tastes like cough mixture. Had some when I was in Germany a few years back.
I seem to recall you mentioning that the MG08 was the last big missing piece of the Maxim story... If I'm not mistaken from the sled mount, that must no longer be the case.
EDIT: It's late, and I just rewatched the end. It isnt a sled mount.
Othais just pronounced "Jägerbüchse" almost 100 times better than any other american youtuber/Tv host/museum curator or any english speaking "expert" that I've ever seen. hats tipped for that!
Thank you Michael
Cheers Micheal your rifle is exactly the correct length 👍
outstanding as always
Does Mae have an ammo shortage?
Well said my friend,buying books vorbek right now!
Wait, didn't the Serbians use a variation of the 1871 before they used the 1899 mauser? Did those guys drag them back up for WWI, and if so, will you be covering it?
Awesome :)
31:35 just rewatching. Hi, past Othias
Thank you Micheal!
Thanks Mike!
Oh how I want to buy one of these
No comment on how beautiful the wood is?!
As always great content and great work
Thanks Michael!!!
thanks Michael
The Great War did a good special on Von Lettow-Vorbeck. I'm surprised you didn't mention it.
I thought that we were going to see the Gewehr 71/84 but I stil like this rifle that I have never heard form
Re: Othias German. It's all right. The pronunciation of the Umlaut is not spot on but it's close enough for government work to quote another UA-camr. In case more is needed, this native speaker is willing to help. Keep up the good work.
My Greatgrandfahter used this rifle in ww1(and brought it back home after the war) so i'm here to learn more about it
great as always!
I love old german rifles. I wish I had one of these black powder guns.
I think Othias's grunting is an autonomic thing. He doesn't want to, but it just happens. Except for when he's conscious about it and kinda stifles it. He says he does it to convey weight... but I don't buy it for a second. XD
It just seems to happen too much on automatic, and too frequently to be intentional...
you guys should do the Swedish Mausers, and some more Scandinavian firearms
Well I never saw that rifle before.
Othias, After you guys finish up with the guns of World War 1 could you do a video on Lettow-Vorbeck?
Got any book suggestions for aforementioned German guerrilla warfare master?
3 years late, but African Kaiser is a good book. Very much a celebration of Lettow-Vorbeck, little coverage of the scorched earth stuff.
@@same242 Thanks, just bought it on Amazon off this recommendation!
There's a lot of peaking in the latest episodes. It was limitited before, but this one is really obvious. You may want to take a look at this.
Othias, did the beaumont vitali see service during the war?
sorta but not in a standard configuration so we've struggled. Germany apparently managed a few hundred but they seem to have only turned up in photo booths as props.
anychance it will appear on the show? or after ww1?
I have one. Loading for it is a BEAR! You need to fabricate your own brass for it.
I was planning on ordering a few from buffalo arms, and loading from those, for a inexperienced loader its probably best to start with brass already made.
if you want a primer on doing it raw using 50/70 brass: see the video by Iraqveteran888 on the subject. Basically you start by trimming to length using a Drummel. then size the neck in a 8mm Lebel die about 1/4 down. then neck size again using a 45/70 die. then a 3rd time ncek size using a 45LC die. Then load, fire form and trim again. Doing this, I have 7 perfect beaumont cases and ended up crushing a LOT of others.
Another great vid. Thanks
Thank you michael
Fun episode guys!
Thx Michael
I dont know what to think of the background music. It seems off but in the right place.
The grunts tell you the rifle weights a lot. :-)
Where do you get the ammo for all these unusual weapons
some nice wood on that gun for a military rifle although it could just be the magic of the light box
lol, sits next to three guns we haven't seen yet. Then says its boring lol, priceless.
Not gun specific but the Germans flew an airship from my grandfather's old town of Yambol in Bulgaria to Von-Lettow in East Africa in November 1917 but was called back from the Sudan. LZ104(L59) finally was lost in whilst outward bound on a bombing mission to Malta from Yambol.
I'm pretty sure the karabiner 1871 saw combat with Dominican soldiers against the Marines in 1916, but I might be wrong
Does anyone know of the music that play when Mae shoots the Jägerbüchse and Carbine? Been trying to look around for it and can't find it (and it's quite catchy).
Good video