You NEED to read the recent Star Trek comics arc, Shax quite literally got to ride on the outside of the defiant and asked to stay out longer before being beamed in
@@craytherlaygaming2852 Well, the problem for the AI was that it didn't had enough phaser banks and torpedo bays to target ALL vessels at once. In fact not even half of them. It's a bee vs. bear situation. The bees win because there are more of them
Love that the Cerritos got saved by her sister ships because she was so well recognized by said sisters. Earlier in the show, she was called the Enterprise of her class, which even beyond the universe is quite true. The Cerritos is always going to be the example that people who watch Star Trek are going to use as an example of the battered down workhorse that can still hold their own in a heated scrap.
"Just hang on a little longer Cerritos. We've got your back." "The Merced is at your disposal captain Freeman" "Carlsbad's always ready to lend a hand." "Shields up, red alert! The Inglewood's ready to kick some ass." *RANDOM INSECT BUZZING* Indeed
@@andreslinares6429 Actually yes, all the shows several times, especially during lockdown. I've seen every series at least 3x through and every movie multiple times. Just because I really like that line doesn't mean my perceptions of trek are limited to your shitty opinion. Thanks for playing.
It's a rare line for Trek, because in a way, its very much not Roddenberry. Interpersonal conflict isn't supposed to be a thing, the idea you'd have a fleet of "lesser" ships other ships look down upon doesn't really fit into the idealized future, heart-warming rescues by Captains and crew who simply care shouldn't move us so much, because those types of actions should simply be the expected norm. The comradery shines through here because as the show explores, the Roddenberry ideal is held by some in the Trek universe, but is hardly universal.
@@paulkatz2483 The grand majority of "good Trek" was not Roddenberry. In fact, some of the worst episodes *period* were Roddenberry. In fact, Discovery itself was VERY Roddenberry, which is part of *why* it sucked so badly starting out.
@@BNutswell, they used an entire ship for that one at least by ramming into the thing’s maw while everything was overloading, here we’re just dumping its reactor, certainly same idea though: creating and exploding a bomb to stop something.
I can't help but contrast this to the end of Picard Season one when all those ships showed up and it was really anticlimactic because they were all just copies of each other and it felt like there were no stakes, in this episode the conclusion was the same, a ton of ships show up and save the heroes, but the fact that it was a fleet of California Class ships who've been the second tier/underdogs of Star Fleet for so long that they're a joke to most members made it so much more emotionally satisfying to see their victory.
The difference is that this scene was done on purpose to give meaning to these ships, vs in Picard it was done for cinematic effect and with copypaste ships due to lack of time and budget to make an actual fleet happen. ....despite the CGI models of actual fleets still being in the archives... they actually use those as reference models for this series. The Sovereign class ships for instance are drawn directly from the CGI Enterprise E.
@Tin Watchman Fans have been "bitching" about Threshold for over 20 years now. And have been "bitching" about Code of Honor for over 40 years. When something is bad, its bad, and it doesnt stop being bad with time. Look at the Star Wars prequels and ask if someone likes Jar-Jar now just because time has passed.
@@Eradicator-jv9xr Since when do people like the Kelvin timeline? From what i understand, mostly people who've never watched Star Trek before Kelvin like that timeline.
After this display of coordination, I think Starfleet Corps of Engineers should get Fleet Command to enact a thorough refit and retrofit --- these ships, and the Class, can still kick ass for another in-universe decade at least.
I was wondering how they were all able to get there around the same time, besides “plot convenience”. I guess most of them were in the same area beforehand.
No class will ever be able to outlive the Miranda and her variants. Not even the Excelsiors. Starfleet, anyway. I've heard some Vulcan and Klingon ships have been in use for centuries.
Imagine Starfleet Command watching its ships on some big map, and then all of a sudden an entire class of ships, without warning, just deviates from whatever they were doing and yolo’s right at their big bad rogue ship, as if someone spoke bad about all of them at once
they basically did, the texas class ship was supposed to be their replacement and they were enroute to be decommissioned for AI ships and changed route to help
And they've been having fun with names that are less glamorous towns (probably implying how many of them there are). The USS Bakersfield was mentioned before, but Merced, Fresno, and Vacaville are amusing choices. You just know they're saving the USS Barstow for a special occasion 😂
@@Bobsmith-xq2pr I'm wondering if that's going to become a point next season since someone (I think the Borg) grabbed his old implant with the still-active Badgey program in it...
@@SamCogley Are you sure? I thought that was the junk collector's ship. You know, the same one that showed up at the end of the episode... I could be mistaken, been a minute since I watched that episode.
I think Boimler is going to make a good captain because he is able to listen to everyone and not just ignore them because they keep making the same suggestion.
Exactly seeing Boimler grow into a more capable captain in the making season by season is rewarding as well as seeing the qualities he learns from his friends and through his experiences he's actually learninf
He further proved that when he was acting captain while Captain Freeman and the senior staff used the Captain's yacht to tow that huge Orion ship into the Trynar shield to punch a hole in it so they could get through to rescue Mariner.
@@nonnayerbusiness7704there’s also a lot of other good things that this ship has, while I am not certain of maximum autonomy, but, I’d bet at least a higher degree of freedom while still probably requiring approval of a command ship or starbase for certain actions would make this a good filler ship to append existing defenses and aid in more ambitious, and maybe more dangerous as well, construction projections Starfleet may perform. Since the fabrication and beaming of entire modules is quite revolutionary here due to this being mounted on a very small starship, something that would be quite hard to ignore despite Aledo going rouge and the cancellation of the Texas class program after the admiral’s demise. If they were to pull this out of the gutter, even if only to just take elements rather than restart the Texas class construction, Starfleet’s going to be giving themselves a nice spruce up from what they had before.
@@nonnayerbusiness7704 Star Trek: Online has the Texas-class as an Easter Egg, if the game is even side-canon to the main timeline it seems that they shifted from "AI Driven" to "Crewed", you pay with less power for weapons, structural integrity fields and shields compared to the AI-controlled one (that can divert the energy required for the crew's safety to those systems and fight more), but the design is still valid... and deadly.
As someone who lives in Southern California, it was a joy to hear the San Diego, the Riverside, the Carlsbad, etc. since some of those are really lesser known outside of the area.
San Diego is absolutely NOT a lesser known area of So-Cal everyone knows about it. Carlsbad, Riverside I'll agree with I just wish they had a palm springs, Barstow and twentynine-palms
@@ErzengelDesLichtes and I know people all over the country who know of San Diego and have even had South Korean Marines ask me specifically about San Diego. Not to mention San Diego was home of the Chargers for a long time, trust me a fuck ton of people know about San Diego. Just because it’s lesser known than LA or San Fran does not make it a lesser known area. That’s like saying Oakland is lesser known cause it’s not as popular as LA or San Fran
Shax is hands down the best Star Trek character. It's been three seasons, and still every single line he has is gold. The batting average of Lower Decks is ridiculously high
Aye they are almost replaying the Kirk era playbook with a few TNG events sprinkled in. :) I wonder how well a 23rd century top of the line cruiser would compare to a 24th century underdog workhorse.
It honestly may have the best average of any Star Trek. In its 50 episodes plus the cross-over with strange new worlds, it only had 7 below average episodes and three bad episodes. That's a little under 81%.
This scene gets me every single time I watch it. This is what Starfleet is all about it. This is what Star TREK is all about. Don't get me wrong, I love my hero class ships, but....the California class has a special place in my heart as well. And I'm not even from California!
As a die hard fan of TNG and DS9, I have to agree! LD has what I love about old trek (confrontation of hard topics such as corruption, death, racism, sexism, expectations, etc) while having **REALLY** good combat scenes that far outweigh the easily exploding consoles of old! Captain Ramsay coming in and saying "Just hold on a little longer Cerritos, we have your back" actually makes me tear up.
The emotional rollercoaster of this show is insane, one moment you’re laughing your ass off at shax getting to eject the warp core, the next you’re tearing up at all the Cali class ships coming to defend their own.
@@jameswg13 Yes but only exterior shots. I think what rayzermaniac5218 said was that we actually got a scene in Main Engineering itself seeing the Warp Core being ejected.
@@FekLeyrTargtechnically there is a scene in voyager when the doctor ejects the core, but it’s basically a bunch of sparks and smoke around the core. Still cool though
I could not agree more. I've always been a fan of beam weaponry, and Lower Decks absolutely NAILS the ship combat, with realistic exchanges and battle progression, unlike the days of TNG where the supposed strongest and most badass ship to date, the vaunted flagship known as the goddamn Enterprises nearly goes kaboom in a few hits.
Let's not forget that we not only got that, but we got seamless animations of the Warp Core being ejected from the perspective of Engineering, AND a ship dropping out of Warp from the perspective of another ship still being in Warp.
"Our outdated science vessel is no match for an actual combat ship!" "What about ALL of our outdated science vessels?" - the Mariner Manoeuvre/the entire strategy for 90% of the Dominion War
@@rolandmiller5456 Oh I'm not saying they shouldn't have fought - they fought, they held (barely) and they eventually won. Because Starfleet might not be a military organisation, but is an organisation which zealously believes it is defending an ideal and way of life worth sacrificing themselves for, and that should never be underestimated in an enemy. But the ships that Starfleet were fighting with, before they turned their exceptional engineering capabilities to large scale production of new, powerful designs, were basically only still running because they were so well maintained - some of the ships they fought the Dominion war with were from the KIRK era. It's like a country suddenly going "Crap! We need an army! Get the tanks from the war museums, try and strap some bigger guns or something to them!"
I got goosebumps watching this the first time! Such an epic moment, and well earned. Great show, I really love how you can tell how much the writers love Star Trek.
@@raymondfisheriii791 Ive said it a thousand times, I'll say it again. I LOVE how Lower Decks handled ship to ship combat! Has a real sense of progression, ship status, systems, and damage unlike TNG, where the Good ol Enterprise D almost dies from a few pokes.
@@SBaby - Yep and you see that here. The Aledo's targeting starts to glitch because it's being attacked by so many starships of the same class that it can't compute a counterattack solution that will win, or even just allow it to escape. Exactly like in the KM test.
@@daniels7907 Either that or the Aledo was looking for the Cerritos in particular to kill Rutherford as a last ditch attempt at "revenge" before getting blown up.
@@FekLeyrTarg - That is what actually happened when it was taking damage from the attacking Cali-class ships and knew it couldn't escape. But Mariner shot down the photon torpedo it fired to finish off the Cerritos, and the Cali-class ships were still firing on it until it was destroyed.
Not to mention that it's 27 ships in all it's impressive for class of ship instead of just hearing one or two we actually hear a full spread of a fleet that actually would be pretty awesome if all other fleets work this way because then we could see multiple ships correlation fighting at the same time not just the one here and one there off I feel like the series would be much more vast and heavier instead of just spread out one here and there
I would like to mention, that it wouldn't make sense to have only one class of ships do the heavy lifting. Star Trek usually does one ship fits all, but in a fleet battle, you need the big boys, as much as you need the support ships. Jamming enemy torpedoes, having a squad of ships engaging primary targets (Fast attack ships, or destroyers) and all that jazz. Ds9 battle over the station had this going for it. They mashed all of the 3D models they had into the scene, but it could be argued that Starfleet assembled a fleet of everything, to pull together as good as it can, Miranda class ships may aswell been there to jam the targeting or disrupting shields for all I care, It's never explicitely stated but it makes sense, doesn't it?
1:01 - I find it funny seeing all of the crew's expressions once Boimler shouts at the captain tells the captain to shut up and listen to Shax, especially how he later looks like he wants nothing to do with the situation regarding the captain's anger.
Yes!! Especially with the strings building tension when Cpt. Ramsay comes in, and the rapid beeping in the background as the Cerritos' computer picks up inbound warp signatures!
A real shame about unreliable AI. Look at how long it lasted under coordinated fire from all sides by dozens of ships. If this was a watchful dog instead of a mad one...
Maybe they'll make a Texas Class Variant, thats a manned version, carrying the heavy weaponry, at some point in the future. In the event of... well, war
@@galahad6300 Except the reason the Texas Class is so compact is the lack of people. No life support, food storage, water, housing, recreation, holodeck, Cetacean Ops, inertial dampers, gravity, etc. Mind you, the cluster torpedoes and high power phaser strips could be retrofitted to other designs, but the lack of crew is part of the success as a weapons platform.
@@galahad6300 Another UA-camr did a video on potential uses for Texas-style AI ships being used in capacities other than combat, and they brought up a few really good points, since drone ships would be great for automatic supply runs. Aledo also displayed the ability to beam prefab buildings down from orbit, which is very useful.
but there is a difference with the Cerritos all the critical space frame is right there and easy to repair, the Ent-F was a combat ship first and foremost so its space frame is much more complex and intertwined with everything else to make it able to last long times in combat so any damage to the internal space frame would require to deconstruct the entire ship to just the space frame and fix it that way then rebuild it basically, the frame itself with the Cerritos is an easy fix but to fix the frame on the Ent-F you would need to completely deconstruct it and then build it again its easier to just retire it and put a new ship into service then fix a combat ships frame
@David-jt9nt So a modern-day equivalent would be the Ent-F is a super car where the engine, body, and frame are intertwined, making repairs either impossible or so costly it's cheaper to make a new car. Meanwhile, the Cerritos is an old beater car that could easily be rebuilt using spare parts and having a decent mechanic work on it.
@@jhart6764 Or Race Car vs Truck. The first one nowaday is so tech-complex that when they crash it is easier to dismantle them for spare parts and have a new one made, trucks can be repaired by basically any averagely skilled mechanic with the right amount and type of spare parts.
lol at the alternate-Cerritos crew though. Alt Mariner looks great. Which species is she? Also great to see the vulcan lady found a position with a great captain on the oakland
@@argh432 ah right, I had rewatched it in the meantime and realized it was the vulcan lady, Durga, we had seen earlier in the show when the oakland crew helped on the Cerritos. Talin had different features compared to her.
At least Admiral Buenamigo gets what he wanted. His name will be forever remembered as the Admiral who wanted to kill a starship for his ego and nearly got an entire Starbase destroyed.
Anyone else recognize all the scenes from this fight? 2:32 - [ST2009] Narada fires burst torpedo on USS Kelvin 4:07 - [ST2009] USS Enterprise shoots down Narada's torpedos to save Jellyfish 4:10 - [DS9 Sacrifice of Angels] Galaxy class ship targets Cardassian cruiser 4:20 - [First Contact] Borg cube explodes at Battle of Sector 001
@@Slopmaster technically the USS Bakersfield was mentioned in S2E08 “I, Excretus” but wasn’t mentioned in the California Class armada in the Season 3 finale.
o7 Alhambra, Anaheim, Burbank, Carlsbad, Cerritos, Culver City, Eureka, Fresno, Inglewood, Merced, Mount Shasta, Oakland, Pacific Palisades, Redding, Riverside, Rubidoux, Sacramento, San Clemente, San Diego, San Jose, Santa Monica, Sherman Oaks, Vacaville, Vallejo, and West Covina honorary mention to Solvang, RIP to a real one.
Now I find myself wanting a re-edit of the end of Picard Season 3 Episode 9: "The Fleet Museum? Why are we here?" We need a ship. Something older. Offline. Analog. "You think we can use one of these?" Well, I was saving this for a surprise one day, but I guess there's no time like the present... "The Cerritos!!!???"
the aledo bearcats absolutely kicked my schools ass in highschool football lol. its weird that such a small town got a ship named after it in the 24th century
You need to go take a look at a website that has virtually the name of every starship that's ever been conceived in Star Trek history. Some of those names will surprised the heck out of you
Did anyone else notice that Badgey said" I'm going to burn your hearts in a fire "way back in season 1 Terminal provocations.? That would mean that Badgey was actually controlling those ships! Just not the original badgie. A copy of him
Well actually since this episode is actually 30 minutes long if you watch all the way past the credit scenes they they actually show badgey being picked up by those scavengers you actually get to see his image so he's going to make a comeback next season
All through their services they have been the joke of starfleet, makes sense that they are so ready to go down in a balls to the walls fight against a superior target just to help their brothers and sisters in arms
Something easy to miss: Boimler knew the plan. Shax didn't know it, he just said "eject the warp core". He knew what to do and also how to get the Captain to understand.
Ive noticed that Boimler is a regular on the bridge, even when Mariner or the others weren't there he was still at the (ops I believe) station. He wasn't like one of the random extras they put on the TNG bridge. He was part of what would be the main cast of characters if this were any other Trek series. So it's kind of weird for him to be considered "Lower Decks"
It's called Lower Decks because the show was inspired by a chapter in Star Trek The Next Generation Warped, which was inspired by an episode of TNG that was called 'Lower Decks' (which is one of the best episodes of all of TNG).
This is science fiction equivalent to watching a rabid Great Dane get torn apart by a pack of autistic Chihuahua... And I loved every second of it. Lower decks is turning out to be such a good edition to star trek. Honestly this was great!
Quark: Dollar General received a large shipment of replacement California Class warp cores this week at a great discount. Stock up while they are available.
Reminder, California-class have canonically 1/3 of the weaponry but almost the same shielding than a Galaxy class. The 30 Californias have the same weaponry as ten times the Enterprise (good luck soaking fire from THAT), and three times more staying power... ..it was at that time USS Aledo knew, it had done goofed
This entire show is just Shax constantly living out the dreams of every tactical officer ever and I’m absolutely here for it
Let's face it we've always wanted to he the one to eject a warp core
The only way this could have made him happier is if Dukat was on one of those ships.
Or any Cardassian, really
@@ArthurRex131 Eh. He might have mixed feelings if it was Aamin Marritza.
You NEED to read the recent Star Trek comics arc, Shax quite literally got to ride on the outside of the defiant and asked to stay out longer before being beamed in
Random Comms officer: "Mariner has called for Aid!"
California Class Captains: "And the Californias will answer! Muster the Lower Decks!"
This comment deserves more love
Instead of riding for Rohan, they're warping for Cerritos
Find every able bodied ship and meet at star base 36, you have 3 days.. on the 4th we warp for the Cerritos.. and war
"The man who does not fear the California-class has never been target locked by a hundred of them."
Don't you mean the AI who does not fear the california class?
Quantity has a quality all of its own.
Accuracy through volume
Essentially is like zero rush
@@craytherlaygaming2852 Well, the problem for the AI was that it didn't had enough phaser banks and torpedo bays to target ALL vessels at once. In fact not even half of them. It's a bee vs. bear situation. The bees win because there are more of them
@@acmenipponair Don't ruin the joke man
Shax joggin to launch the warp core like he won an Olypmpic Gold Medal. 🤣
Go get em Shax!
funny I have always dreamed of ejecting the warp core as well🤣🤣🤣🤣
Need a version set to "Up where we belong"
admit it you wish you could eject the warp core on the bad guys🤣🤣🤣
I guess the Cali's from Snowbourne have come this time around!
The Tamarian officer saying, “Arnof on the night of his joining!” Probably is their equivalent of “F*** yeah!”
Love that the Cerritos got saved by her sister ships because she was so well recognized by said sisters. Earlier in the show, she was called the Enterprise of her class, which even beyond the universe is quite true. The Cerritos is always going to be the example that people who watch Star Trek are going to use as an example of the battered down workhorse that can still hold their own in a heated scrap.
One bee? Eh whatever.
The whole hive? RUN YOU GONNA DIE!
Well said! Awww, Cerritos as the Enterprise of the California class 🥹🥹🥹
Love how Lower Decks started as a goofy cartoon with trek easter eggs, and it's quickly become a legit trek series with funny elements.
no, it has not
@@BryanMoyer-l1q Yes, it has.
@@MrMoorkey it is so bad
@@BryanMoyer-l1q Care to elaborate?
@@MrMoorkey No they can't as they refuse to belive its no longer the 90s.
"Just hang on a little longer Cerritos. We've got your back."
"The Merced is at your disposal captain Freeman"
"Carlsbad's always ready to lend a hand."
"Shields up, red alert! The Inglewood's ready to kick some ass."
*RANDOM INSECT BUZZING*
Indeed
*Inglewood.
@@peterthx This. :)
Inglewood, Inglewood always up to no good.
@@JeffLionheartCan confirm as a Lennox native lol
Inglewood, wasn't Jules Winnfield our man there?
“It’s all of them, Captain!” My new favorite line in all of Trek. Such a great moment!
You haven't watched a lot of Trek haven't you?
@@andreslinares6429 Actually yes, all the shows several times, especially during lockdown. I've seen every series at least 3x through and every movie multiple times. Just because I really like that line doesn't mean my perceptions of trek are limited to your shitty opinion. Thanks for playing.
It's a rare line for Trek, because in a way, its very much not Roddenberry. Interpersonal conflict isn't supposed to be a thing, the idea you'd have a fleet of "lesser" ships other ships look down upon doesn't really fit into the idealized future, heart-warming rescues by Captains and crew who simply care shouldn't move us so much, because those types of actions should simply be the expected norm. The comradery shines through here because as the show explores, the Roddenberry ideal is held by some in the Trek universe, but is hardly universal.
I like all the sisters ships come to save one of there sister from death.
@@paulkatz2483 The grand majority of "good Trek" was not Roddenberry. In fact, some of the worst episodes *period* were Roddenberry. In fact, Discovery itself was VERY Roddenberry, which is part of *why* it sucked so badly starting out.
I have to admit, dumping the warp core to use it as a high powered antimatter annihilation mine was inspired.
Yea it was
Old tactic from Starfleet Battles.
Yes, inspired by the one tactic to work on the Doomsday Machine. We're reaching _waaaaaaay_ back on this one.
@@BNutswell, they used an entire ship for that one at least by ramming into the thing’s maw while everything was overloading, here we’re just dumping its reactor, certainly same idea though: creating and exploding a bomb to stop something.
@@BNuts It worked mostly because the thign detonated in the one part that wasn't covered in neutronium plating.
I can't help but contrast this to the end of Picard Season one when all those ships showed up and it was really anticlimactic because they were all just copies of each other and it felt like there were no stakes, in this episode the conclusion was the same, a ton of ships show up and save the heroes, but the fact that it was a fleet of California Class ships who've been the second tier/underdogs of Star Fleet for so long that they're a joke to most members made it so much more emotionally satisfying to see their victory.
The difference is that this scene was done on purpose to give meaning to these ships, vs in Picard it was done for cinematic effect and with copypaste ships due to lack of time and budget to make an actual fleet happen.
....despite the CGI models of actual fleets still being in the archives... they actually use those as reference models for this series. The Sovereign class ships for instance are drawn directly from the CGI Enterprise E.
@Tin Watchman Fans have been "bitching" about Threshold for over 20 years now. And have been "bitching" about Code of Honor for over 40 years.
When something is bad, its bad, and it doesnt stop being bad with time. Look at the Star Wars prequels and ask if someone likes Jar-Jar now just because time has passed.
I suspect that this scene was deliberately patterned that was, as a humorous sort of apology to the audience.
@@DarkestVampire92 but people like the prequels now. And the Kelvin timeline
@@Eradicator-jv9xr Since when do people like the Kelvin timeline? From what i understand, mostly people who've never watched Star Trek before Kelvin like that timeline.
This makes sense since all the California class were enroute to base to be decommissioned.
Oh yeah, that's right, good point. didn't even think about that.
After this display of coordination, I think Starfleet Corps of Engineers should get Fleet Command to enact a thorough refit and retrofit --- these ships, and the Class, can still kick ass for another in-universe decade at least.
@@UnlimitedFlyers I don't think they'll ever be able to equal the Miris, though.
I was wondering how they were all able to get there around the same time, besides “plot convenience”.
I guess most of them were in the same area beforehand.
No class will ever be able to outlive the Miranda and her variants. Not even the Excelsiors.
Starfleet, anyway. I've heard some Vulcan and Klingon ships have been in use for centuries.
I love how attack pattern delta, full spread is just "Everyone, FRAK IT UP!"
Luke Skywalker used the same attack pattern against imperial walkers
Imagine Starfleet Command watching its ships on some big map, and then all of a sudden an entire class of ships, without warning, just deviates from whatever they were doing and yolo’s right at their big bad rogue ship, as if someone spoke bad about all of them at once
they basically did, the texas class ship was supposed to be their replacement and they were enroute to be decommissioned for AI ships and changed route to help
“Did I drink too much Romulan ale?”
They were all headed to Starbase Douglas to be decommissioned, so they were all in the area
I love how all of the ships are named after cities in California. Because they’re California-Class starships. Love it!
Kind of like all the DS9 runabouts named after Earth's rivers
And they've been having fun with names that are less glamorous towns (probably implying how many of them there are). The USS Bakersfield was mentioned before, but Merced, Fresno, and Vacaville are amusing choices. You just know they're saving the USS Barstow for a special occasion 😂
I love how the USS Aledo is getting bullied by California-Class ships
I'm surprised that there wasn't a U.S.S. Alameda, in a reference to "The Voyage Home." (The captain is probably a cetacean.)
@@TheSaneHatter dude how would a USS Alameda reference The Voyage Home
I love the implication that the Aledo can't target any ship because they are all the same threat level.
It was more that he was looking for Rutherford in the mess of Identical ships
@@Bobsmith-xq2pr Once Aledo realized that he couldn't escape, he made a suicide run on the Cerritos. That AI of Rutherford's is NUTS.
@@SamCogley indeed, it seems that Rutherford accidentally transferred some of his issues with his dad into the AI, lmao
@@Bobsmith-xq2pr I'm wondering if that's going to become a point next season since someone (I think the Borg) grabbed his old implant with the still-active Badgey program in it...
@@SamCogley Are you sure? I thought that was the junk collector's ship. You know, the same one that showed up at the end of the episode... I could be mistaken, been a minute since I watched that episode.
3 super weapons of star fleet: ejecting warp core, rerouting auxiliary power, and modifying deflector dish
You forgot about reversing the polarity.
Reversing the polarity is more common in doctor who
And Shaxx
Any sufficiently advanced power generation system doubles as a weapon.
@@liamscienceguy8153 And there was no Neutron Flow to reverse the polarity of!
I think Boimler is going to make a good captain because he is able to listen to everyone and not just ignore them because they keep making the same suggestion.
Exactly seeing Boimler grow into a more capable captain in the making season by season is rewarding as well as seeing the qualities he learns from his friends and through his experiences he's actually learninf
He further proved that when he was acting captain while Captain Freeman and the senior staff used the Captain's yacht to tow that huge Orion ship into the Trynar shield to punch a hole in it so they could get through to rescue Mariner.
4:16 The best depiction of a rogue A.I.'s villainous "This-cannot-be" breakdown before it goes off-line.
Poor Texas Class, the idea for drone ships is a good one, it just needed to go to the AI rehabilitation facility peanut hamper went to in S4.
@@nonnayerbusiness7704there’s also a lot of other good things that this ship has, while I am not certain of maximum autonomy, but, I’d bet at least a higher degree of freedom while still probably requiring approval of a command ship or starbase for certain actions would make this a good filler ship to append existing defenses and aid in more ambitious, and maybe more dangerous as well, construction projections Starfleet may perform. Since the fabrication and beaming of entire modules is quite revolutionary here due to this being mounted on a very small starship, something that would be quite hard to ignore despite Aledo going rouge and the cancellation of the Texas class program after the admiral’s demise. If they were to pull this out of the gutter, even if only to just take elements rather than restart the Texas class construction, Starfleet’s going to be giving themselves a nice spruce up from what they had before.
@@nonnayerbusiness7704 Star Trek: Online has the Texas-class as an Easter Egg, if the game is even side-canon to the main timeline it seems that they shifted from "AI Driven" to "Crewed", you pay with less power for weapons, structural integrity fields and shields compared to the AI-controlled one (that can divert the energy required for the crew's safety to those systems and fight more), but the design is still valid... and deadly.
Does anyone else get chills when Boimler says "It's all of them, Captain."
Of course🎉🥳🎉🎉🎉🥳
But I'm still watching this season
As someone who lives in Southern California, it was a joy to hear the San Diego, the Riverside, the Carlsbad, etc. since some of those are really lesser known outside of the area.
Same. I hope there's a USS Los Angeles, San Bernardino, Yosemite and Joshua Tree of the Cali class
Yo, I need that USS Long Beach love some day.
San Diego is absolutely NOT a lesser known area of So-Cal everyone knows about it. Carlsbad, Riverside I'll agree with I just wish they had a palm springs, Barstow and twentynine-palms
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I know many people outside California who only know Los Angeles and San Fransisco. San Diego is definitely lesser known.
@@ErzengelDesLichtes and I know people all over the country who know of San Diego and have even had South Korean Marines ask me specifically about San Diego. Not to mention San Diego was home of the Chargers for a long time, trust me a fuck ton of people know about San Diego. Just because it’s lesser known than LA or San Fran does not make it a lesser known area. That’s like saying Oakland is lesser known cause it’s not as popular as LA or San Fran
Shax is hands down the best Star Trek character. It's been three seasons, and still every single line he has is gold. The batting average of Lower Decks is ridiculously high
Aye they are almost replaying the Kirk era playbook with a few TNG events sprinkled in. :)
I wonder how well a 23rd century top of the line cruiser would compare to a 24th century underdog workhorse.
I found out shax actually made a crossover appearance in a ds9 comic
It honestly may have the best average of any Star Trek. In its 50 episodes plus the cross-over with strange new worlds, it only had 7 below average episodes and three bad episodes. That's a little under 81%.
This scene gets me every single time I watch it. This is what Starfleet is all about it. This is what Star TREK is all about. Don't get me wrong, I love my hero class ships, but....the California class has a special place in my heart as well. And I'm not even from California!
As a die hard fan of TNG and DS9, I have to agree! LD has what I love about old trek (confrontation of hard topics such as corruption, death, racism, sexism, expectations, etc) while having **REALLY** good combat scenes that far outweigh the easily exploding consoles of old! Captain Ramsay coming in and saying "Just hold on a little longer Cerritos, we have your back" actually makes me tear up.
The emotional rollercoaster of this show is insane, one moment you’re laughing your ass off at shax getting to eject the warp core, the next you’re tearing up at all the Cali class ships coming to defend their own.
Thanks to this being animated we actually see the Warp Core leaving the ship from the Engineering room.
We see it in voyager
@@jameswg13 Yes but only exterior shots.
I think what rayzermaniac5218 said was that we actually got a scene in Main Engineering itself seeing the Warp Core being ejected.
@@FekLeyrTargtechnically there is a scene in voyager when the doctor ejects the core, but it’s basically a bunch of sparks and smoke around the core. Still cool though
This is what Starfleet is all about. This is why the Federation is a survivor. GREAT Teamwork!
Best cgi ive seen in star trek. The way the phasers punch through once the shields go down is perfect.
I could not agree more. I've always been a fan of beam weaponry, and Lower Decks absolutely NAILS the ship combat, with realistic exchanges and battle progression, unlike the days of TNG where the supposed strongest and most badass ship to date, the vaunted flagship known as the goddamn Enterprises nearly goes kaboom in a few hits.
Let's not forget that we not only got that, but we got seamless animations of the Warp Core being ejected from the perspective of Engineering, AND a ship dropping out of Warp from the perspective of another ship still being in Warp.
"Our outdated science vessel is no match for an actual combat ship!"
"What about ALL of our outdated science vessels?"
- the Mariner Manoeuvre/the entire strategy for 90% of the Dominion War
When you're in a situation like that you use whatever the hell you can get.
@@rolandmiller5456 Oh I'm not saying they shouldn't have fought - they fought, they held (barely) and they eventually won. Because Starfleet might not be a military organisation, but is an organisation which zealously believes it is defending an ideal and way of life worth sacrificing themselves for, and that should never be underestimated in an enemy.
But the ships that Starfleet were fighting with, before they turned their exceptional engineering capabilities to large scale production of new, powerful designs, were basically only still running because they were so well maintained - some of the ships they fought the Dominion war with were from the KIRK era. It's like a country suddenly going "Crap! We need an army! Get the tanks from the war museums, try and strap some bigger guns or something to them!"
I got goosebumps watching this the first time! Such an epic moment, and well earned. Great show, I really love how you can tell how much the writers love Star Trek.
3:19 oh boy, whoever now has to create all the memory alpha pages for these ships
Oof
The names are all Californa cities
XD just find a video where there are Subtitles, its not THAT hard
Well we already saw a few of these ships.
I'm back from Memory Beta, and I can confirm the Cali-class page is SORELY lacking updates.
Not gonna lie, those cluster torpedos are downright terrifying.
Agreed, love em! they look mean as hell, and were very convincing, even with the cartoon art style
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If they ever made star trek armada again with these kind of graphics, I'd play it in a heartbeat.
Man, ejecting the warp core has never been SO MUCH FUN!!! GO SHAXS!!!!!
When you're the villain and the background music switches to a version of the show's theme song, you better start running
Damn right.
Love how that one Cali moves to cover the Cerritos
And when the Aledo’s blast gets destroyed, that same ship switches to attacking instead of moving to defend. It’s one of my favorite parts too
@@raymondfisheriii791 Ive said it a thousand times, I'll say it again. I LOVE how Lower Decks handled ship to ship combat! Has a real sense of progression, ship status, systems, and damage unlike TNG, where the Good ol Enterprise D almost dies from a few pokes.
I got literal chills when all the Cali-Classes came out of warp.
He who scoffs at the power of the humble California Class has never run through a field of a thousand of them.
I know it is silly, but seeing all the Cali-class ships coming to the aid of one of their own makes my eyes water up.
I'd laugh my head off if it turns out that Shax has retired by the next series because he's done everything he can in Starfleet.
The build up to this episode is really well done, I literally shed a tear the moment all california class ships arrived xD
I love the "Zoom Call" look and feel of the main screen at the end 😂
The Aledo A.I. gets put through the Kobayashi Maru test.
Quite literally. If I remember right, with the Kobayashi Maru, the enemy ships just spawn in indefinitely until you are destroyed.
@@SBaby - Yep and you see that here. The Aledo's targeting starts to glitch because it's being attacked by so many starships of the same class that it can't compute a counterattack solution that will win, or even just allow it to escape. Exactly like in the KM test.
@@daniels7907 Either that or the Aledo was looking for the Cerritos in particular to kill Rutherford as a last ditch attempt at "revenge" before getting blown up.
@@FekLeyrTarg - That is what actually happened when it was taking damage from the attacking Cali-class ships and knew it couldn't escape. But Mariner shot down the photon torpedo it fired to finish off the Cerritos, and the Cali-class ships were still firing on it until it was destroyed.
I can actually FEEL the pain of the Memory Alpha people having to list every one of these ships
Not to mention that it's 27 ships in all it's impressive for class of ship instead of just hearing one or two we actually hear a full spread of a fleet that actually would be pretty awesome if all other fleets work this way because then we could see multiple ships correlation fighting at the same time not just the one here and one there off I feel like the series would be much more vast and heavier instead of just spread out one here and there
I would like to mention, that it wouldn't make sense to have only one class of ships do the heavy lifting.
Star Trek usually does one ship fits all, but in a fleet battle, you need the big boys, as much as you need the support ships. Jamming enemy torpedoes, having a squad of ships engaging primary targets (Fast attack ships, or destroyers) and all that jazz.
Ds9 battle over the station had this going for it. They mashed all of the 3D models they had into the scene, but it could be argued that Starfleet assembled a fleet of everything, to pull together as good as it can, Miranda class ships may aswell been there to jam the targeting or disrupting shields for all I care, It's never explicitely stated but it makes sense, doesn't it?
Kayshon, The Tamarian Security officer, says "Arnok, on the night of his joining!" That must be the Tamarian equivalent of, "F*** yeah!"
It will never stop being funny to see a battered ship have the entire crew halt what they are doing to form an impromtu cheer session
1:01 - I find it funny seeing all of the crew's expressions once Boimler shouts at the captain tells the captain to shut up and listen to Shax, especially how he later looks like he wants nothing to do with the situation regarding the captain's anger.
The Doctor: "I haven't seen a crew this dysfunctional since the Cerritos."
2:58 Small detail, the Oakland coming in beeped at the console, then the rest of them beeping in succession.
almost like *slipspace rupture detected*
"Warning: Capital class signature detected."
Shax is too wholesome, we don't deserve him
The music at 3:20...GOOSEBUMPS!! Pure triumph!!
It's the same music that played when they were doing the epic flyby of the Cerritos in the Rise of Vindicta!
Yes!! Especially with the strings building tension when Cpt. Ramsay comes in, and the rapid beeping in the background as the Cerritos' computer picks up inbound warp signatures!
"Sir, it was taken out by a fleet of....California-class."
"A what of Cali-classes? A fleet of what now?"
This is honestly star trek at some of its best
He's soo genuinely happy, I love it
A real shame about unreliable AI. Look at how long it lasted under coordinated fire from all sides by dozens of ships. If this was a watchful dog instead of a mad one...
Maybe they'll make a Texas Class Variant, thats a manned version, carrying the heavy weaponry, at some point in the future. In the event of... well, war
@@galahad6300 Except the reason the Texas Class is so compact is the lack of people. No life support, food storage, water, housing, recreation, holodeck, Cetacean Ops, inertial dampers, gravity, etc.
Mind you, the cluster torpedoes and high power phaser strips could be retrofitted to other designs, but the lack of crew is part of the success as a weapons platform.
@@bthsr7113 Oh yeah. Then perhaps a third option: drone ships operated by remote from other crafts, like the Antares ships from TOS i think.
@@galahad6300 Another UA-camr did a video on potential uses for Texas-style AI ships being used in capacities other than combat, and they brought up a few really good points, since drone ships would be great for automatic supply runs. Aledo also displayed the ability to beam prefab buildings down from orbit, which is very useful.
@@bthsr7113 STO has mentions of crewed Texas-class ships (emergency conversion). Spartan as all hell, but they pack a punch.
There's nothing stronger than California class Family! -Captain Dom Toretto
in Star Trek Prodigy, The Admiral called the everyone the most dysfunctional crew second to only USS Cerritos.
The Doctor actually. And he said with a look of horror/trauma
The "Zerg Rush" maneuver.
Thank you for giving a shout out to Scotty. It was sorely needed.
I always love watching when the phasers "charge up" going around the saucer before meeting and firing. Such an awesome effect. @4:12
Team work makes the dream work.
Raises questions about the Ent-F that it needed to be reitired early due to damage. Like The Cerritos has been rebuilt like 4 times.
but there is a difference with the Cerritos all the critical space frame is right there and easy to repair, the Ent-F was a combat ship first and foremost so its space frame is much more complex and intertwined with everything else to make it able to last long times in combat so any damage to the internal space frame would require to deconstruct the entire ship to just the space frame and fix it that way then rebuild it
basically, the frame itself with the Cerritos is an easy fix but to fix the frame on the Ent-F you would need to completely deconstruct it and then build it again
its easier to just retire it and put a new ship into service then fix a combat ships frame
@David-jt9nt So a modern-day equivalent would be the Ent-F is a super car where the engine, body, and frame are intertwined, making repairs either impossible or so costly it's cheaper to make a new car.
Meanwhile, the Cerritos is an old beater car that could easily be rebuilt using spare parts and having a decent mechanic work on it.
@@jhart6764 Or Race Car vs Truck. The first one nowaday is so tech-complex that when they crash it is easier to dismantle them for spare parts and have a new one made, trucks can be repaired by basically any averagely skilled mechanic with the right amount and type of spare parts.
For the first time since Pike's Enterprise, somebody LISTENED to the Goddamned Chief of Security.
lol at the alternate-Cerritos crew though. Alt Mariner looks great. Which species is she?
Also great to see the vulcan lady found a position with a great captain on the oakland
No that was a different Vulcan lady the one that was sent to starfleet shows up later this episode.
@@argh432 ah right, I had rewatched it in the meantime and realized it was the vulcan lady, Durga, we had seen earlier in the show when the oakland crew helped on the Cerritos. Talin had different features compared to her.
@Hunter6213 Aka USS Alhambra.
At least Admiral Buenamigo gets what he wanted. His name will be forever remembered as the Admiral who wanted to kill a starship for his ego and nearly got an entire Starbase destroyed.
Yeaaaaah you're gonna have to be more specific, there.
Anyone else recognize all the scenes from this fight?
2:32 - [ST2009] Narada fires burst torpedo on USS Kelvin
4:07 - [ST2009] USS Enterprise shoots down Narada's torpedos to save Jellyfish
4:10 - [DS9 Sacrifice of Angels] Galaxy class ship targets Cardassian cruiser
4:20 - [First Contact] Borg cube explodes at Battle of Sector 001
This mans joy is everything
Brings a tear to my eye every time
One day were going to get the USS Barstow, and it's going to be *unstoppable!*
I hope so. I also hope we get another one called Lucerne Valley.
I’m waiting for The USS Bakersfield.
It synthesizes the best Del Taco.
@@Slopmaster technically the USS Bakersfield was mentioned in S2E08 “I, Excretus” but wasn’t mentioned in the California Class armada in the Season 3 finale.
I fly the USS Poway in STO, heh heh.
I like how it calls out California cities like a 2Pac song; "Inglewood always up to no good." 🎶
I laugh AND cry every time I see ALL the California class starships come to the rescue and defeat that Texas class AI ship...
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Alhambra, Anaheim, Burbank, Carlsbad, Cerritos, Culver City, Eureka, Fresno, Inglewood, Merced, Mount Shasta, Oakland, Pacific Palisades, Redding, Riverside, Rubidoux, Sacramento, San Clemente, San Diego, San Jose, Santa Monica, Sherman Oaks, Vacaville, Vallejo, and West Covina
honorary mention to Solvang, RIP to a real one.
@Tin Watchman She still didn't deserve to go like that.
yet no san francisco, where star fleet is headquartered. does not compute!
@@thejamesasher Probably has a ship of a more prominent class named after it.
Weird ones named Pacific Palisades. That's just a wealthy neighborhood north of LA.
@@thejamesasher I'd wager the San Francisco is a f-ing Excelsior Class that's still in service.
The working class of star fleet scramble together and give a bully his own medicine.
Now I find myself wanting a re-edit of the end of Picard Season 3 Episode 9:
"The Fleet Museum? Why are we here?"
We need a ship. Something older. Offline. Analog.
"You think we can use one of these?"
Well, I was saving this for a surprise one day, but I guess there's no time like the present...
"The Cerritos!!!???"
the aledo bearcats absolutely kicked my schools ass in highschool football lol. its weird that such a small town got a ship named after it in the 24th century
You need to go take a look at a website that has virtually the name of every starship that's ever been conceived in Star Trek history. Some of those names will surprised the heck out of you
Trek 4 life, sweeeeeet
When it comes to tactical options, the California-class basically has diddly...
That's a whole lot of diddly.
'YOU MESS WITH ME, YOU MESS WITH US!'
CA for life!!! Love this show.
I've been to almost all the cities these Cali ships are named after.
I love how the Englewood basically said “We’re ride or die” 😎
Edit: *Inglewood, like the dude down below said
Inglewood*. That’s the city it’s named after.
Shax is fulfilling one of his greatest destiny in star trek ever
Did anyone else notice that Badgey said" I'm going to burn your hearts in a fire "way back in season 1 Terminal provocations.? That would mean that Badgey was actually controlling those ships! Just not the original badgie. A copy of him
Or it could already be part of the source code
Well actually since this episode is actually 30 minutes long if you watch all the way past the credit scenes they they actually show badgey being picked up by those scavengers you actually get to see his image so he's going to make a comeback next season
@@avatarwarmech I'm betting on Borg, Pakleds, or Section 31.
It was already mentioned in the episode that it was the same code with a few tweaks so it can work on a ship
Yup. Same code with tweaks, but not Him. That said, the line was funny as fuck and hearing it said so coldly was... Like Damn.
This show was fucking amazing!!! I love this scene so much by a old trekker
Congratulations Shazx
The whole California fleet arrived to save the Enterprise of support ships.
All through their services they have been the joke of starfleet, makes sense that they are so ready to go down in a balls to the walls fight against a superior target just to help their brothers and sisters in arms
Calis: "We will burn the Aledo's heart in a fire."
I’d love to see Mariner and Bohmler get promoted and cameo on Star Trek Legacy as captain and first officer of the AFS Khitomer
Have you watched episode six of the most recent season of Strange New Worlds?
I want the USS Compton command crew picture to look like the Album cover Striaght out of Compton
Me to.
Something easy to miss: Boimler knew the plan. Shax didn't know it, he just said "eject the warp core". He knew what to do and also how to get the Captain to understand.
Ive noticed that Boimler is a regular on the bridge, even when Mariner or the others weren't there he was still at the (ops I believe) station. He wasn't like one of the random extras they put on the TNG bridge. He was part of what would be the main cast of characters if this were any other Trek series. So it's kind of weird for him to be considered "Lower Decks"
It's called Lower Decks because the show was inspired by a chapter in Star Trek The Next Generation Warped, which was inspired by an episode of TNG that was called 'Lower Decks' (which is one of the best episodes of all of TNG).
0:42 The fact that Captain Freeman rolls her eyes immediately at Shaxs suggestion is perfect.
I find it amazing how the entire ship knows of the plan when no announcement was made as he heads to the engine room with people just cheering him on.
Oh it was definitely broadcast
It wasn't depicted, but if you're going to dump the warp core, you definitely _ought_ to be broadcasting it to All Hands first.
Matter/antimatter reaction at near lightspeed. I wonder what the doppler effect would have on any nearby star systems.
This is science fiction equivalent to watching a rabid Great Dane get torn apart by a pack of autistic Chihuahua... And I loved every second of it.
Lower decks is turning out to be such a good edition to star trek. Honestly this was great!
Nika: any for a U.S.S. Ceritos is back in time! i so happy for you!
Quark: Dollar General received a large shipment of replacement California Class warp cores this week at a great discount. Stock up while they are available.
Reminder, California-class have canonically 1/3 of the weaponry but almost the same shielding than a Galaxy class. The 30 Californias have the same weaponry as ten times the Enterprise (good luck soaking fire from THAT), and three times more staying power...
..it was at that time USS Aledo knew, it had done goofed
And now James Horner has connected Aliens, Die Hard and Star Trek
Yes!!!!! Shax finally got to eject the warp core!!!!!!!!
Character arc completed.
Damn, that battle was good enough to make me cry with joy, and I've never seen the show.