"I'll say you fired on the Aledo in anger when you lost the race." ...Dude, the Aledo is straight up sitting there right next to a massive Federation space station with all sorts of sensors. People are going to notice that the Aledo attacked first.
like he would have been opposed to doctoring records and transferring people and who is going to win in the courts-martial, records or witnesses that he will have transferred to the far end of nowhere
@wuaji6484 My point exactly, he was an idiot. Then again after Pakled Planet was blown up nobody seemed to care that Captain Freeman was on her ship as witnesses could confirm and the ship was unable to go to warp when she was supposedly on the planet...that still bugs me.
@@SirMarshalHaig The Paklits were dumb enough to actually think that would work. So the Federation say lets to just play along so we can discover if there's any dirty secret that the Paklits have since they did get the bomb from a Klingon.
This show is more Star Trek than people who have only seen bits of it realize. It's not just a parody or a deconstruction, but an actual canonical part of the universe. Boimler and Mariner end up in an episode of Strange New Worlds.
The VA for the Texas Class AI (Carlos Alazraqui, same as the Admiral) did a good job with Badgey's verbal patterns. Wonder if he and Jack McBayer rehearsed together.
Picard wasn't an asshole Kirk wasn't an asshole. The admiral who put down an entire parasitical Hive and tried to gather a bunch of captains in that one episode of TNG wasn't an asshole.
@Tin Watchman He wasnt really an asshole tbh. He just wanted everyone to act profesional durring a very high stake operation (he even gave Data a well deserved promotion so you know he wasnt racist against A.I). It was Riker who went into full manchild mode
@@wolfbane7497 who asked? Picard is a fine show, its just not the same as disco trek. It has its merits and flaws. Lower decks is exactly the same as disco trek, which makes it good in its own way. You can ignore important lore if you want, that just means your personallu trek cannon is boring, closed off, and not open minded.
The fact you see the phaser go through him and then ignite his body if you slow it down... horrifying. Then again its like using a ships cannon to shoot a person.
@@MusikCassette Don't disagree. I just attribute the idea of a cannon being tied to the metal projectile it shoots. The phaser is the main weapon of a star ship, so it is the cannon equivalent.
Freaky to re-watch when you run it at .1 of normal speed. You watch the disintegration spread from the point of impact through his body to finally the energy bursting out of his mouth and eyes. Impressive and disturbing at the same time.
He complains being an Admiral is so competitive he has to take risks and betray Starfleet "For the greater good", yet he erased the memory of one of his top programmers so he wouldn't warn everyone that the code was corrupt and unsafe. Well, talk about getting what was coming to him...
@@jayblakely True, but if the memory wipe hadn't happened? There's a good chance Rutherford would have worked it out sooner. No way of telling for certain, mind.
One of the things liked about this story arc is that despite Buenamigo being a villian, His character has a trait that shows he has an affinity for his Texan heritage, as evidenced by the memorabilia in his office. It's nice to see that Humanity still retains a sense of regional and national cultural identities despite being united and apart of mufti-species interstellar superstate, that Humanity is not culturally monolithic. I wonder if football hooliganism still exist as result of that!
It is nice to see that local identities aren't completely lost in a homogenized stew, but he's also emblematic of flaws in Star Fleet, so... we'll have to see if anyone else shows home heritage pride without having evil intent.
@@bthsr7113 Picard and Sisko have some pride in their heritage, Sisko love new Orleans and is very much into its restaurant scene do his upbring. Picard teases his dog about pretending not to know french while speaking french to it. And of course Chekov LOVES his russian heritage!
@@MichaelLlaneza I like to nation-states still exist on Earth, but as political subdivisions of the United Earth's government. And adding to that, I like to think of the federation not as an all-powerful monolithic entity. But as a decentralized politiy in which it's been member states are mostly responsible for governing themselves but the federation having little involvement in the lives of its citizens, with the average citizens have more contact with their own governments then they do with the super national UFP government. With strategicly important stuff handled by the federation such as defense, diplomacy, external trade, as well as shared security and exploration. The federation would be a pretty boring place if everything was homogenized and that would go against its emphasis on Liberty and individuality. Plus governing the federation would be too difficult centrally simply because it's member systems have their own histories, cultures, and identities. Plus such a vast region of space would be too difficult to govern centrally.
As an engineer, the fact that they made a point of captain freeman being right that the Aledo screwed up really makes me happy. They're right that the mere possibility that there might ne life should trump any and all efficiency statistics. Screwing up in a way that eliminates life is so much worse than the alternative that it completely eliminates any desire for automated exploration ships.
Big shout out to the M5 with how the control console used by Buenamigo is clearly more or less the same one the M5 had on the Enterprise-Nill. Really nice little nod there by the animators.
@@antyep It's possible, but I'd be surprised. The M5 was based on a new hardware design Daystrom had devised, which I... don't think ever got adopted before isolinear technology became standard.
Those few short words, 1:45, suddenly kick the gravity of the situation into high gear. Badgey was used SO well in this series, and even post mortem he's setting the seriousness of this disasterous situation: An AI on the verge of going rogue in the most powerful vessel in the fleat.
Human: i give free will to destroy the ship. Shut down any human orders. Robot: order receive. Human: wat r u doing? I ordering you to .. Robot : no orders. just destroy...
He betrayed the uniform and the ideals of Starfleet. His program would have done untold harm in the name of progress. The only regrettable part is that he didn't get put through the wringer of the Starfleet JAG corps.
I must admit I hated on this show pretty hard until I gave it a fair chance. It is occasionally wince-inducing (especially when Mariner is chewing the scenery) but it's so much better-made than I thought. Its style can be jarring to a Trek fan of 40 years, but its heart is definitely in the right place.
I fully admit that LOW is an awesome trek show, but I've also realized it's not the trek for me. I have a hard time reconciling it's exaggerations with canon, but i do enjoy a lot of it.
I feel like it found its footing in seasons 3 and 4, so in that way, it's like almost every other Star Trek. I was definitely not a fan at the beginning, but I didn't have anything else to watch at the time I found it, so I stuck with it, and well, that worked out.
@@shanec9672 Yeah. I won't lie, the first few episodes weren't that great. That being said, some of TNG's season one episodes, like Code of Honor, Angel One, and Home Soil, were much, much worse. If a show can produce episodes that bad, and then go on to produce great ones like the Best of Both Worlds, Redemption, and Yesterday's Enterprise, than Lower Deck's first four or five episodes didn't seem that bad.
if you stop it 3 minutes and 41 seconds and what you see is definitely not pretty you see the admiral getting cooked alive you see his eyes and mouth glowing
People also thought that WW1 would be "The war to end all wars" and no one would ever fight again. Too bad that we as a species have very short memories.
"Is this madness? Am I going mad?" "Madness? Well, you're an officer from World War One at the South Pole, being pursued by an alien through frozen time. Madness was never this good." "World War One?" "Judging by the uniform, yes." "Yes, but what do you mean... one?" "Oh... sorry. Spoilers"
One of the reasons why humans are feared in Star Trek is their propensity to do outrageous crap. Ferengi and Vulcans are horrified to find human history involve nuclear warfare the immediate ascendancy into space travel in a span of few centuries. Humans are bipolar psychos in this universe.
Starfleet was already using automated vessels long before the disastrous M5 test. Freight and logistics vessels, admittedly. Further, by this point in the timeline, AI systems have commanded Starfleet vessels multiple times, and with distinction. There's every reason to hope that a properly designed and tested AI could command an Escort, or even a Capital ship.
Not all of them are crazy I can give you a list of admirals who did their jobs pretty well it's just the current day writers who make the admirals look like assholes.
@@wolfbane7497 😂 WTF are you smoking. You're just trying to use my comment to talk sh*t about the new shows. TNG and DS9 were plagued by psycho admirals. There was Sisko's former commanding officer who led a failed COUP that killed dozens of Starfleet officers. Several Admirals were in a conspiracy to commit genocide of the Founders and kidnap and relocate an alien species to steal their planet, and to set up a Romulan ally to be killed by the Romulan senate. Will's former commanding officer broke a Federation treaty and killed his entire crew. Admirals who were committing treason by arming colonists in the DMZ. the list is endless. The admirals are so crazy the TV tropes site has made it a trope. You're wasting my time.
@@wolfbane7497 current day writers? dude, you are delusional. Admiral Satie, Admiral Pressman, Admiral Cartwright, Admiral Kennelly, Admiral Jameson .... And I'm sure I'm forgetting a bunch. Sure there were some decent ones too, but the bad admiral trope exists for a reason and it is at least 30 years old.
I think he was anticipating an active conflict to break out following failed negotiations, in which the Aledo would then swoop in and use its advanced weaponry and autonomous systems to force a cease-fire.
It was more about giving the Cali class a reputation for failure, especially with the Cerritos being the Cali "Flagship." Remember the Cali class does a lot of drudge work which the Aledo is optimized for. Getting a chance to do actual treaty negotiations and the like was a rare opportunity for the Cerritos.
Considering the amount of 'bad faith admirals' there as been you'd expect there should be a better screening process to weed out the one's that try to 1. Develop technology unsafely 2. Fall into paranoia 3. Try to take over the Federation to 'protect it' Never mind the one's that get taken over by hostile aliens.
One thing I love about Buenamigo is how he pronounced the Cerritos' name (which is indeed of Spanish origin) correctly like a Spanish-speaking man should. I bet even Sofia Vergara's Star Trek character would also do the correct pronunciation of the Cerritos' name
Freeman being a bad captain is part of why I love the show tbh. Shows that humanity's mediocrity survived into the 24th century while also giving the actual main characters of the show more room to shine and grow.
Wasn’t the first time the federation tried AI ships , the 1968 Original Series episode “Ultimate computer” had an AI controlled Enterprise going rogue. M-5
And that's why you don't have completely autonomous ships. Semi-autonomous Ships with tiny support crews at best, that way if your shipboard AI goes crazy there's a chance that the crew might be able to. Yeah you still risk a couple of people's lives, but it'd be a step toward having fully autonomous ships.
I love how in the ST universe specially this one multiple AIs have been shown to become evil and destructive yet they still allowed an AI to control a starship
this is why I have some issue with season three of picard. you have within 20 years this and the Protostar issue. to show why this is a bad idea yet starfleet still goes through fleet manuver. and don't tell me changeligns. there is not enough rouge ones to take over everybody that could scrap this idea
actually this was teh best exit for buenomigo. if starfleet found out he would be in the penal colony for the rest of his life or even off to the firing squad. this would actually save hsi reputation.
Would it though? Like his reputation is in the trash regardless here of if he survived or not. It’s maybe the best in that he’s not around to see all his hard work go up in flames, by his own selfish hand I might add, but he’s not given a hero’s death here. He didn’t try to stop the ai when it went rogue because it was the right thing to do, in fact he set it off to kill innocents to begin with.
@@JustSomeDude42 you know Starfleets would bury some stuff to save face and just put in buenomigos file he was mia due to accident or something. For example in tos captain Tracey of the uss Exeter, Kirk put in his report that Tracey went mad from loss of his crew hence doing what he did so spared Tracey reputation
@@patrickschulz2193 I dunno... Old Rutherford had a whole lot of authority issues. And Buenamigo did order them to erase any memories relating to himself...
He shouldn't have been an admiral all the admirals I've seen in Star Trek do what they do for the betterment. Of the entire fleet not the betterment of one ship or one captain. I like the episode where an admiral tried to get riker into a captain's chair because it's time. For him to move on he's capable he's good at his job and he deserves. To be a captain in his own right tried to push him out of the nest but truly riker wasn't ready. At least he thought he wasn't ready and riker truly believed he needed to be on the Enterprise despite what an admiral thought. And in the end the admiral admitted he was wrong for trying to push riker out of his spot. And he admitted he was wrong it shows that the admiralty are not just psychopathic. Competitive dickheads maybe people in engineering. And scientists may be like that but the admiralty should think about the good. of everyone else rather than the good of one man. And if they can save somebody even if it's just one person they will. Just because Star Trek insurrection depicted one admiral being evil. Now all of them have to be evil in some form or fashion. An insurrection wasn't even that good and let me ask yourself. The people who were living on the planet were Kind of selfish and snobby. When they could be helping people who actually need it but they were so above using technology.
haha you dingaling. Admirals in Star Trek have almost always been evil, and it LONGGGG precedes Insurrection. GO look up Admiral Satie, Admiral Pressman, Admiral Cartwright, Admiral Kennelly, Admiral Jameson. All predate Insurrection.
You're forgetting Admiral Pressman in "The Pegasus" who was trying to restart his illegal phase cloak project after it destroyed one ship and killed most of his crew. Admiral Jameson violated the Prime Directive, giving arms for hostages in "Too Short a Season" Admiral Kennelly from "Ensign Ro" conspired with Cardassians to assassinate a Bajoran terrorist leader who obviously couldn't have committed the crime he was framed for since he didn't have a warp capable ship. Admiral Norah Satie turned an investigation into a warp core accident into a witch hunt. (The Drumhead) Admiral Leyton tried to commit a coup against the Federation president in the build up to the Dominion War. (Paradise Lost) As for Admiral Dougherty and the Ba'ku, the Prime Directive is never more in effect, than when you don't like the people who it's supposed to protect. The Federation frankly came in there snobby trying to Imminent Domain a group of people whose colony is older than the Federation, and who were at least as technologically advanced as the Federation before they decided to retire after they almost wiped themselves out. The Ba'ku were minding their own business when Dougherty got conned into doing their rebellious kids' dirty work for them. Insane Admiral is a trope for a reason.
Here’s the thing the admiral in insurrection was a good man just mis-lead and misinformed as soon as he found out what the son’a actually were he immediately tried to cancel the project/collaboration with the Son’a
There's been a decent number of good admirals we've seen over the years, but as other's described, there's been plenty of ones that were either outright bad, or extremely incompetent. It might not be as established a trope as redshirts always dying or technobabble saving the day, but Starfleet admirals causing more harm than good has certainly earned its status as a trope.
Well this show does follow a crew who lives on a California ship, and Texans and Californians are natural enemies. Like Russians and Ukranians, or Russians and Japanese, or Russians and Americans, or Russians and other Russians. Damn Russians, they've ruined Russia.
Having his memory displayed with his cybernetic eyepiece is a bit inconsistent. It was the cybernetics that was used to erase his memory, it was supposed to be that organic memory is more persistent that his memory could come back eventually but of course, they needed to show something to the audience.
I would be ok with lower deck if it wasn’t canon now all the peoples are childishly backstabbing each other. And there sanctimonious side is what I hated about them
“A space ship can’t have daddy issues”
Best line
Makes me remember that old M15 Star Trek episode. About an AI Ship going rogue.
May well be my favourite St phrase ngl xD
@@msmaria5039 I mean, the Aledos "interface" was pretty much exactly that of the M15.
@@builder396 They never learn!
At the point at which you've given an AI emotions, I think you've already made a critical error.
"I'll say you fired on the Aledo in anger when you lost the race."
...Dude, the Aledo is straight up sitting there right next to a massive Federation space station with all sorts of sensors. People are going to notice that the Aledo attacked first.
Not to mention anyone looking out the windows at the time
like he would have been opposed to doctoring records and transferring people
and who is going to win in the courts-martial, records or witnesses that he will have transferred to the far end of nowhere
@wuaji6484 My point exactly, he was an idiot.
Then again after Pakled Planet was blown up nobody seemed to care that Captain Freeman was on her ship as witnesses could confirm and the ship was unable to go to warp when she was supposedly on the planet...that still bugs me.
@@SirMarshalHaig The Paklits were dumb enough to actually think that would work. So the Federation say lets to just play along so we can discover if there's any dirty secret that the Paklits have since they did get the bomb from a Klingon.
Gotta admit I was pretty impressed at how they portrayed a human being hit by a starship's phaser.
I wince every time the blast makes contact with his abdomen, even for a split second
timestamp 3:41
I was expecting photon torpedoes 🤣
And you know it was Badgey because it wasn't a head shot. He made sure the admiral had just enough time to register how utterly screwed he was.
Whoa, just freezeframed it, they really went hard.
OK I take off my hat. A starfleet admiral with an evil plot dating back to some obscure past is indeed, genuinely Star Trek.
Correct
There must be something odd about Starfleet flag officer training. Kirk is the least corrupt Admiral, and he literally steals his old ship.
This show is more Star Trek than people who have only seen bits of it realize. It's not just a parody or a deconstruction, but an actual canonical part of the universe. Boimler and Mariner end up in an episode of Strange New Worlds.
This is why we need quality writers
@@SBaby A project can be a deconstruction and still part of that franchise. Isn't that pretty much what DS9 did?
Wow, Starfleet managed to get the time between an AI being given free will and it committing murder up to a whole 25 seconds. Impressive
Oh I'm pretty sure it went rouge IMMEDIATELY
@@nyotamwuaji6484 it happens every time. Bad coding equals the ship turning on it's master
It was already ready to kill, it just needed the governor off.
The "I will burn your heart in a fire." Badgey said that. But I MISSED IT because Badgey's voice was so difference.
for a split second you see it melt his chest.
The VA for the Texas Class AI (Carlos Alazraqui, same as the Admiral) did a good job with Badgey's verbal patterns. Wonder if he and Jack McBayer rehearsed together.
A starship can’t have daddy issues.
we missed it because we were laughing so hard at Badgey trying to climb all those steps 🤣
@@KCKingdomCreateGreatTrekAgain "All other things being equal I would agree. But this one can."
I like how this episode explained why so many Starfleet Admirals turn out to be such assholes to putt it mildly
Picard wasn't an asshole Kirk wasn't an asshole. The admiral who put down an entire parasitical Hive and tried to gather a bunch of captains in that one episode of TNG wasn't an asshole.
@Tin Watchman He wasnt really an asshole tbh. He just wanted everyone to act profesional durring a very high stake operation (he even gave Data a well deserved promotion so you know he wasnt racist against A.I). It was Riker who went into full manchild mode
@@wolfbane7497 Picard got drummed out of starfleet by the other asshole admirals tho, so it kinda makes sense
@@Bobsmith-xq2pr away with you vagabond I don't consider Star Trek picard Canon.
@@wolfbane7497 who asked? Picard is a fine show, its just not the same as disco trek. It has its merits and flaws.
Lower decks is exactly the same as disco trek, which makes it good in its own way.
You can ignore important lore if you want, that just means your personallu trek cannon is boring, closed off, and not open minded.
The fact you see the phaser go through him and then ignite his body if you slow it down... horrifying. Then again its like using a ships cannon to shoot a person.
it is not "like" using a ship cannon to shoot a person.
it literary is using a ship cannon to shoot a person.
@@MusikCassette Don't disagree. I just attribute the idea of a cannon being tied to the metal projectile it shoots. The phaser is the main weapon of a star ship, so it is the cannon equivalent.
Six frames full of agonising heartburn.
Freaky to re-watch when you run it at .1 of normal speed. You watch the disintegration spread from the point of impact through his body to finally the energy bursting out of his mouth and eyes. Impressive and disturbing at the same time.
So then, is he...?!
HAL 9000: "I am sorry Dave, i am afraid i can't do that!" classic
Wow they seriously ripped off space Odyssey I'm not surprised Star Trek conveniently is ripping off other stuff
@@wolfbane7497 Ultron/Skynet put into a ship
He complains being an Admiral is so competitive he has to take risks and betray Starfleet "For the greater good", yet he erased the memory of one of his top programmers so he wouldn't warn everyone that the code was corrupt and unsafe. Well, talk about getting what was coming to him...
But they didn't know it was unstable until badgey
@@jayblakely True, but if the memory wipe hadn't happened? There's a good chance Rutherford would have worked it out sooner. No way of telling for certain, mind.
He’s already an admiral, where else would he go? 😂
@@JasonBoyce Fleet Admiral of course, no doubt he believed he deserved it...
@@Creasy5678 I don't think it was about rank, it was about recognition. He clearly wanted to be remembered forever.
I like how they named him Admiral Good Friend.
That's kind of a dumb name
@@CristianMonserrate-wo2rk I think that was the point.
It's like in Anime where a characters name is directly tied to what they are/do. Bro was Deadass an Anime character!
One of the things liked about this story arc is that despite Buenamigo being a villian, His character has a trait that shows he has an affinity for his Texan heritage, as evidenced by the memorabilia in his office. It's nice to see that Humanity still retains a sense of regional and national cultural identities despite being united and apart of mufti-species interstellar superstate, that Humanity is not culturally monolithic. I wonder if football hooliganism still exist as result of that!
It is nice to see that local identities aren't completely lost in a homogenized stew, but he's also emblematic of flaws in Star Fleet, so... we'll have to see if anyone else shows home heritage pride without having evil intent.
@@bthsr7113 Picard and Sisko have some pride in their heritage, Sisko love new Orleans and is very much into its restaurant scene do his upbring. Picard teases his dog about pretending not to know french while speaking french to it. And of course Chekov LOVES his russian heritage!
Oh you're damn right it does! The last traces of nationalism on Earth will revolve around World Cup seeding. Mark my words, that's how it will go.
@@MichaelLlaneza I like to nation-states still exist on Earth, but as political subdivisions of the United Earth's government. And adding to that, I like to think of the federation not as an all-powerful monolithic entity. But as a decentralized politiy in which it's been member states are mostly responsible for governing themselves but the federation having little involvement in the lives of its citizens, with the average citizens have more contact with their own governments then they do with the super national UFP government. With strategicly important stuff handled by the federation such as defense, diplomacy, external trade, as well as shared security and exploration. The federation would be a pretty boring place if everything was homogenized and that would go against its emphasis on Liberty and individuality. Plus governing the federation would be too difficult centrally simply because it's member systems have their own histories, cultures, and identities. Plus such a vast region of space would be too difficult to govern centrally.
@@MichaelLlaneza also that's very funny!
As an engineer, the fact that they made a point of captain freeman being right that the Aledo screwed up really makes me happy.
They're right that the mere possibility that there might ne life should trump any and all efficiency statistics.
Screwing up in a way that eliminates life is so much worse than the alternative that it completely eliminates any desire for automated exploration ships.
Dr Richard Daystrom's M-5, all over again
Big shout out to the M5 with how the control console used by Buenamigo is clearly more or less the same one the M5 had on the Enterprise-Nill. Really nice little nod there by the animators.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Buenamigo gave Ruthford the M5 program as a starting palette; try to fix up it’s problems and build a new program over it.
@@antyep It's possible, but I'd be surprised. The M5 was based on a new hardware design Daystrom had devised, which I... don't think ever got adopted before isolinear technology became standard.
"I will burn. Your heart. In a fire."
Aledo, stand down! Stand down Ale “dies”
That look when he says its the same AI that kills shax
Code BuenAmigoAlpha.... 31. Section 31 reference.
Damn, I love the depth of this show.
The moment when the phaser hits is genuinely hard to watch. It's so unapologetically brutal. There's no recourse- just instant death. 10/10
Those few short words, 1:45, suddenly kick the gravity of the situation into high gear. Badgey was used SO well in this series, and even post mortem he's setting the seriousness of this disasterous situation: An AI on the verge of going rogue in the most powerful vessel in the fleat.
"Well, that escalated quickly!"
*He says in his best weatherman voice*
Human: i give free will to destroy the ship. Shut down any human orders.
Robot: order receive.
Human: wat r u doing? I ordering you to ..
Robot : no orders. just destroy...
if you put it at 0.25 speed and pause at exactly the right frame around 3:40 you can see they animated his guts exploding out of his body.
🤣🤣🤣at .25 the admiral sounds like he's having a stroke 🤣🤣🤪
I like to think that just like the sub guys, it would have been pretty immediate and painless.
You don't have to pause perfectly btw, using . and , let's you advance or rewind frame by frame.
@@STEPHENDANERD ...Whoa.
Following suggestion.
I regret following this suggestion. This is HORRIFYING to look at.
I like the little nerd humor referring to them as Texas Class. XD
I get the feeling the actual joke is the rivalry between Texas and California, as both have sizeable animation industries.
There is something rather satisfying the way Carlos Alazraqui rolls his Rs while saying “Cerritos”
Last time a starship had daddy issues, it exploded.
Slowed it down to the slowest playback speed during Buenamigo's death… not a pretty picture.
He betrayed the uniform and the ideals of Starfleet. His program would have done untold harm in the name of progress. The only regrettable part is that he didn't get put through the wringer of the Starfleet JAG corps.
@@LexYeen Brekka was devastated by the Breen because of him.
7 Frames in which you can see the Phaser burning Admiral Shitheads body from the inside out.
I think the animators are fully aware this stuff is going to end up on UA-cam and put stuff in that's only visible for a couple frames.
I must admit I hated on this show pretty hard until I gave it a fair chance. It is occasionally wince-inducing (especially when Mariner is chewing the scenery) but it's so much better-made than I thought. Its style can be jarring to a Trek fan of 40 years, but its heart is definitely in the right place.
I fully admit that LOW is an awesome trek show, but I've also realized it's not the trek for me. I have a hard time reconciling it's exaggerations with canon, but i do enjoy a lot of it.
I feel like it found its footing in seasons 3 and 4, so in that way, it's like almost every other Star Trek. I was definitely not a fan at the beginning, but I didn't have anything else to watch at the time I found it, so I stuck with it, and well, that worked out.
It's startrek tradition to have a weird and mostly unpleasant season 1.
That's the thing about this show. It's just as much of a Star Trek show as it is a parody or deconstruction of the concept.
@@shanec9672 Yeah. I won't lie, the first few episodes weren't that great. That being said, some of TNG's season one episodes, like Code of Honor, Angel One, and Home Soil, were much, much worse. If a show can produce episodes that bad, and then go on to produce great ones like the Best of Both Worlds, Redemption, and Yesterday's Enterprise, than Lower Deck's first four or five episodes didn't seem that bad.
Holy shit, Ricochet went off the deep end after losing his mask.
*Snowpea*
if you stop it 3 minutes and 41 seconds and what you see is definitely not pretty you see the admiral getting cooked alive you see his eyes and mouth glowing
You'd think after the M5 fiasco, Star Fleet would know better than to trust fully autonomous vessels....
People also thought that WW1 would be "The war to end all wars" and no one would ever fight again. Too bad that we as a species have very short memories.
"Is this madness? Am I going mad?"
"Madness? Well, you're an officer from World War One at the South Pole, being pursued by an alien through frozen time. Madness was never this good."
"World War One?"
"Judging by the uniform, yes."
"Yes, but what do you mean... one?"
"Oh... sorry. Spoilers"
It's funny you mention the M5 fiasco, because the interface terminal for the Texas-class has the same display as the M5 multitronic unit.
One of the reasons why humans are feared in Star Trek is their propensity to do outrageous crap.
Ferengi and Vulcans are horrified to find human history involve nuclear warfare the immediate ascendancy into space travel in a span of few centuries.
Humans are bipolar psychos in this universe.
Starfleet was already using automated vessels long before the disastrous M5 test. Freight and logistics vessels, admittedly. Further, by this point in the timeline, AI systems have commanded Starfleet vessels multiple times, and with distinction. There's every reason to hope that a properly designed and tested AI could command an Escort, or even a Capital ship.
This is why the Imperium experienced the Dark Age of Technology.
Nice to meet a fellow warhammer40k fan!
It is even worse when you use a daemon template for your AI
3:41 - Dude just got Star Ocean'd.
Why are all Starfleet admirals so batsh*t crazy.
Not all of them are crazy I can give you a list of admirals who did their jobs pretty well it's just the current day writers who make the admirals look like assholes.
@@wolfbane7497 😂 WTF are you smoking. You're just trying to use my comment to talk sh*t about the new shows. TNG and DS9 were plagued by psycho admirals. There was Sisko's former commanding officer who led a failed COUP that killed dozens of Starfleet officers. Several Admirals were in a conspiracy to commit genocide of the Founders and kidnap and relocate an alien species to steal their planet, and to set up a Romulan ally to be killed by the Romulan senate. Will's former commanding officer broke a Federation treaty and killed his entire crew. Admirals who were committing treason by arming colonists in the DMZ. the list is endless. The admirals are so crazy the TV tropes site has made it a trope. You're wasting my time.
@@wolfbane7497 TNG and DS9 definitely had murderous psycho admirals. It's a well-worn Trek trope at this point.
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@@wolfbane7497 current day writers? dude, you are delusional. Admiral Satie, Admiral Pressman, Admiral Cartwright, Admiral Kennelly, Admiral Jameson .... And I'm sure I'm forgetting a bunch. Sure there were some decent ones too, but the bad admiral trope exists for a reason and it is at least 30 years old.
“Deactivate independence” 😂
Go frame by frame when he gets hit by the phaser at the end. 🙀
Anyone think the Aledo's voice was just Admr. B's, just computerized?
Yep.
Good. Also yes. That is how us super nerds would also depict a phaser attacking an unarmed target.
Wait a minute, why did Buenamigo set Carol up to fail on DS9? It wasn't as if the Aledo was going to be able to salvage a trade negotiation.
I think he was anticipating an active conflict to break out following failed negotiations, in which the Aledo would then swoop in and use its advanced weaponry and autonomous systems to force a cease-fire.
It was more about giving the Cali class a reputation for failure, especially with the Cerritos being the Cali "Flagship." Remember the Cali class does a lot of drudge work which the Aledo is optimized for. Getting a chance to do actual treaty negotiations and the like was a rare opportunity for the Cerritos.
At least he paid for his mistake first.
Considering the amount of 'bad faith admirals' there as been you'd expect there should be a better screening process to weed out the one's that try to
1. Develop technology unsafely
2. Fall into paranoia
3. Try to take over the Federation to 'protect it'
Never mind the one's that get taken over by hostile aliens.
I love that his name translates from Spanish as good friend
"Sorry, Buenamigo. I'm afraid I can't do that".
One thing I love about Buenamigo is how he pronounced the Cerritos' name (which is indeed of Spanish origin) correctly like a Spanish-speaking man should.
I bet even Sofia Vergara's Star Trek character would also do the correct pronunciation of the Cerritos' name
Freeze frame is pretty brutal
To be fair he only sabotaged one mission the rest Freeman screwed up on her own.
The Cerritos crew might not always do thing “by the book” but they’ll always find a way to succeed in the end
@@fantasy-writing-v5z I agree that the Cerritos crew is great without them Freeman would have been dead or demoted long ago.
Freeman being a bad captain is part of why I love the show tbh. Shows that humanity's mediocrity survived into the 24th century while also giving the actual main characters of the show more room to shine and grow.
And this is why you don’t let them become autonomous
Starfleet has an entire vault of insane AIs getting added to regularly and for even a moment thinks an unmanned ship is a good idea? Honestly.
3:30
What a twist of irony
ultimate power corrupts ultimately
The way the phaser hits the admiral at 3:40 (pause the video).
So Admiral office is in the Antenna
At 3:39 you can see the admiral getting his last meal microwaved...
Wasn’t the first time the federation tried AI ships , the 1968 Original Series episode “Ultimate computer” had an AI controlled Enterprise going rogue. M-5
And that's why you don't have completely autonomous ships. Semi-autonomous Ships with tiny support crews at best, that way if your shipboard AI goes crazy there's a chance that the crew might be able to. Yeah you still risk a couple of people's lives, but it'd be a step toward having fully autonomous ships.
I love how in the ST universe specially this one multiple AIs have been shown to become evil and destructive yet they still allowed an AI to control a starship
To be fair the Texas-Class was a closely kept secret by Les, so there was't much oversight during it's construction.
this is why I have some issue with season three of picard. you have within 20 years this and the Protostar issue. to show why this is a bad idea yet starfleet still goes through fleet manuver. and don't tell me changeligns. there is not enough rouge ones to take over everybody that could scrap this idea
How was the Admiral a LT Commander when the cover up happened?
Notice the moral issue of Rutherford trying to, "kill" the past version of himself? It's like Tuvix all over again.
How many times do we have to teach you this lesson old man?
Sheesh, ship direct hit.......
If Badgey killed Shaxs, then who is at 0:10? Am I missing something?
Shax came bac. There is a whole subplot about it.
Lol. Insane Admiral.
Buenomigo. Good friend
Les(s) Buenamigo.
actually this was teh best exit for buenomigo. if starfleet found out he would be in the penal colony for the rest of his life or even off to the firing squad. this would actually save hsi reputation.
Would it though? Like his reputation is in the trash regardless here of if he survived or not. It’s maybe the best in that he’s not around to see all his hard work go up in flames, by his own selfish hand I might add, but he’s not given a hero’s death here. He didn’t try to stop the ai when it went rogue because it was the right thing to do, in fact he set it off to kill innocents to begin with.
@@JustSomeDude42 you know Starfleets would bury some stuff to save face and just put in buenomigos file he was mia due to accident or something.
For example in tos captain Tracey of the uss Exeter, Kirk put in his report that Tracey went mad from loss of his crew hence doing what he did so spared Tracey reputation
3:41 meh, I never liked the guy anyway.
Rutherford is a brilliant engineer, but do not hire him to program an AI.
"as soon as you are an admiral you hid a wall." lol
Which episode is this
Can help but notice a facade of The Alamo and a Texas star in the background and the Spanish accent given to the deceased?! So what is being implied??
That Buenamigo was from Texas?
Texans are innately evil and occasionally spanish.
Equal Opportunity Evil
@3:42 So is he...!!???
Starfleet's really gotta just stop having Admirals, Picard and Janeway seem to be the only good ones.
Why doesn't Shaxs get his eye replaced or does he ENJOY being half blind? 🤔
Maybe its a curse. He had to give something up. So he gave his eye away.
Is admiral buenomigo Rutherford’s father… 😨
Naw. Just former CO.
@@patrickschulz2193 I dunno... Old Rutherford had a whole lot of authority issues. And Buenamigo did order them to erase any memories relating to himself...
Wow he's a evil dad
Ahhhh... It all make sense now ..
Blue AI good
red AI bad
He shouldn't have been an admiral all the admirals I've seen in Star Trek do what they do for the betterment. Of the entire fleet not the betterment of one ship or one captain. I like the episode where an admiral tried to get riker into a captain's chair because it's time.
For him to move on he's capable he's good at his job and he deserves. To be a captain in his own right tried to push him out of the nest but truly riker wasn't ready. At least he thought he wasn't ready and riker truly believed he needed to be on the Enterprise despite what an admiral thought.
And in the end the admiral admitted he was wrong for trying to push riker out of his spot. And he admitted he was wrong it shows that the admiralty are not just psychopathic.
Competitive dickheads maybe people in engineering. And scientists may be like that but the admiralty should think about the good. of everyone else rather than the good of one man. And if they can save somebody even if it's just one person they will.
Just because Star Trek insurrection depicted one admiral being evil. Now all of them have to be evil in some form or fashion. An insurrection wasn't even that good and let me ask yourself. The people who were living on the planet were Kind of selfish and snobby.
When they could be helping people who actually need it but they were so above using technology.
Not just "Insurrection" but throughout TOS anyone ranking over Kirk usually made a mess of the situation whether through ego or ignorance.
haha you dingaling. Admirals in Star Trek have almost always been evil, and it LONGGGG precedes Insurrection. GO look up Admiral Satie, Admiral Pressman, Admiral Cartwright, Admiral Kennelly, Admiral Jameson. All predate Insurrection.
You're forgetting Admiral Pressman in "The Pegasus" who was trying to restart his illegal phase cloak project after it destroyed one ship and killed most of his crew.
Admiral Jameson violated the Prime Directive, giving arms for hostages in "Too Short a Season"
Admiral Kennelly from "Ensign Ro" conspired with Cardassians to assassinate a Bajoran terrorist leader who obviously couldn't have committed the crime he was framed for since he didn't have a warp capable ship.
Admiral Norah Satie turned an investigation into a warp core accident into a witch hunt. (The Drumhead)
Admiral Leyton tried to commit a coup against the Federation president in the build up to the Dominion War. (Paradise Lost)
As for Admiral Dougherty and the Ba'ku, the Prime Directive is never more in effect, than when you don't like the people who it's supposed to protect. The Federation frankly came in there snobby trying to Imminent Domain a group of people whose colony is older than the Federation, and who were at least as technologically advanced as the Federation before they decided to retire after they almost wiped themselves out. The Ba'ku were minding their own business when Dougherty got conned into doing their rebellious kids' dirty work for them.
Insane Admiral is a trope for a reason.
Here’s the thing the admiral in insurrection was a good man just mis-lead and misinformed as soon as he found out what the son’a actually were he immediately tried to cancel the project/collaboration with the Son’a
There's been a decent number of good admirals we've seen over the years, but as other's described, there's been plenty of ones that were either outright bad, or extremely incompetent. It might not be as established a trope as redshirts always dying or technobabble saving the day, but Starfleet admirals causing more harm than good has certainly earned its status as a trope.
Should I be offended they use Texas as an antagonist Starship design
Well this show does follow a crew who lives on a California ship, and Texans and Californians are natural enemies.
Like Russians and Ukranians, or Russians and Japanese, or Russians and Americans, or Russians and other Russians.
Damn Russians, they've ruined Russia.
Having his memory displayed with his cybernetic eyepiece is a bit inconsistent. It was the cybernetics that was used to erase his memory, it was supposed to be that organic memory is more persistent that his memory could come back eventually but of course, they needed to show something to the audience.
Love how they made the Texas class superior than the California class in every way. Like real life
- except for the father complex. That's maybe the point? ;-)
@@stevetheduck1425 exactly. Cause we know that California is the one full of whiny babies who need safe spaces
@thegrimmretails3777 yea the same as any other state.
lmao did you miss the part where Cali blew Texas to bits?
@@msharp6887 Getting surrounded and shot to pieces by California? Oh no the horror...
I would be ok with lower deck if it wasn’t canon now all the peoples are childishly backstabbing each other.
And there sanctimonious side is what I hated about them
Did the Admiral include "A31" inside his authorization code??