This video took quite a while to make, and in the process there was quite a bit I had to scrap or alter, so I'll update this comment with anything I would've or should've mentioned. Kruger Section: ------------------------------------------------------------------- It seems the main thing people are latching on to in an attempt to "disprove" the video is my comment on Kruger, specifically the one that he would not have fought against the Rumbling (and ignoring everything else lmao). Given the theme of my video is of only objective flaws, nothing subjective, that might seem like a weird or contradictory point for me to have made - that is, after all, based on character motivation. But that only goes to a certain extent, as I'll explain in a second. Firstly, lets define exactly what I mean by "objective" - something that is fundamentally, intrinsically true regardless of personal interpretation or belief. The most basic example of this is 2 + 2 = 4. It's fundamentally true regardless of what you believe, making it an objective truth. Or... is it? After all, someone could always just argue that they believe 2 + 2 = 5 and that a magical being just changes the result each time the equation is done into equaling 4, and since they can't be disproven that means it's actually subjective. That's an example of radical skepticism, a belief (but given it's usually only used when convenient just a form of argument) that essentially claims nothing is objective and everything is subjective because you can believe whatever you want without being able to be proven wrong. In the case of Kruger, that's what all arguments for him fighting against the Rumbling are, because all his established character traits show he wouldn't fight against it. He's willing to kill untold amounts of innocents just for the chance to "get revenge on Marley and restore Eldia to power", he's motivated by rage against those who take away his freedom, and he wants to use the Founding Titan power to do this. Adding that all up, what does that give us? Basically just a much more calm and depressed Eren. There is only evidence that he would fight for the Rumbling, not against it. Going back to what I was saying earlier about radical skepticism, the only argument someone can (and people do) make against this is along the lines of this; "Kruger could have had a character arc off-screen after he died and completely changed all his beliefs! Also he only wanted revenge on Marley and said to love someone within the walls!" That first sentence is exactly what I was talking about; there is absolutely no evidence for this, it's a story element entirely made up by the mind with no root in reality, and is therefore no more rationally valid than the math one. The second sentence actually gives more proof he would fight for the Rumbling, but people just don't realize that. The entire world ended up uniting with Marley to destroy Paradis, and that was even established before the Declaration of War, that the united hatred of Paradis is what maintained global relations, not to mention that Marley was actually the country that treated Eldians the best. Through that, the world had essentially become an extension of Marley. The other line, that he said to love someone within the walls, doesn't change anything considering the context it was said, and doesn't affect anything else he said. The one other thing people bring up is Armin's speech to Zeke that ended his depression, and claim Kruger heard that and was suddenly motivated to fight against the Rumbling. Playing Devil's Advocate for a second, lets say that is true and that's the reason Kruger fought against the Rumbling, that he heard Armin's speech. The only reason Armin's speech changing Zeke's mind is somewhat acceptable is because Zeke was essentially broken by what Eren did and fell into a really bad depressive episode, and Armin's speech woke him up from it. Do you realize how bad of writing that would be for Kruger to hear Armin's speech and completely change his outlook on everything? For his entire personality to completely change because someone says "dude, don't forget to enjoy the little things in life!" For Zeke it's somewhat acceptable given the circumstances, but for Kruger that would just be ridiculous, because everything his character *is*, is in-line with a full Rumbling. What happens with full Rumbling? Eldia is established, revenge for Marley's injustice happens, and if someone was loved within the walls by whoever was wielding the Founding Titan power to do so, then a cruel regime that restarts the whole process is averted. What else happens? Millions upon millions of (mostly) innocent people have a brutal death. What Kruger did, as I tried to explain but might not have done a great job of doing so, was essentially a microcosm of The Rumbling; he killed thousands of innocents instead of millions, a fraction of the amount of the Rumbling, and only achieved only a fraction of progress towards establishing Eldia and only a fraction of revenge on Marley. And then in the end, he expressed regret for not doing enough and having been powerless. The only reason people don't want to see it is due to us only seeing two sides to the conflict; it was eventually presented as either "good guy against evil Rumbling!" or "super nazi", so the idea that there could be characters inbetween that or outside of that dichotomy entirely feels wrong to think about, even though that's how it was for every other morally abhorrent or agreeable thing the entire rest of the series. Adding that all up, here's what you're left with; overwhelming evidence that Kruger would support the Rumbling, or at the least would not fight against it, and absolutely nothing to counter it other than the most ridiculous "reasoning" possible that depends entirely on the rejection of rationalism. -------------------------------------------------------------------- About two weeks ago a Q&A with Isayama released, and in that Q&A he revealed that the millions of Wall Titans all unshifted in the ending and were then persecuted by the 20% left. Not only is that really significant to the story in quite a bit of ways, but it also is important for another reason - for years, a specific side of AOT fans have insisted the Wall Titans weren't Pure Titans and were actually some special titan mechanic that created empty puppets, and the most fervid would consistently insist it was "obvious", and that if you think there's plotholes then you just "need everything to be spelled out for you", among other lines. For one, this says a lot about the, for lack of a better term, AOT worshipper's mentality - they deliberately ignore anything that doesn't fit the narrative of "Story Perfect!", and use any rational they can to defend it along with as much irrationality as possible to avoid things that don't defend it, like various huge plot beats I bring up in the video. At 2:35 I should not have mentioned this (kinda) - we do know who summoned the Ancient Titans, Ymir. I said it 30 seconds before that too lol. So that was (mostly) a messup since I didn't end up talking about this, but the reasoning behind them being from Ymir Armin guesses within the show is completely illogical. Armin claims they're from Ymir because "If Eren really is just moving forward, like he said, that means all this resistance is the will of the Founder Ymir". This... frankly, makes absolutely no sense. Eren also said during that same conversation that he would fight them to the death and would not hold back, so if bringing back Ancient Titans could be a Founder power then he absolutely would have done it.
Some extra cut topics: The Paths Retcon: I hadn't wrote out the script for this one, but essentially Paths were always shown to be instantaneous, meaning anything that happened there would happen all at once in the "real world". Until, of course, Armin was "eaten" and ended up in Paths, where his interactions with Zeke were suddenly... happening in real time? Especially strange considering this is flip-flopped anyways as Paths works normally again when Eren talked to the Alliance at the end. The Warhammer Titan: Ended up cutting this one since it more had to do with Season 4 as a whole rather than the ending, but the series failed Checkov's Gun horribly with the Warhammer, with no justification whatsoever for how it was underutilized. I believe there are some good videos or posts about it floating around the internet somewhere. The Dina "Plot Twist": I was going to bring this up in the outro, specifically a pretty good video discussing it, but the outro was dragging in length and this ended up being one of the things that had to be cut, since there were a few extremely important points that were missed. The video is linked in the description.
For Founding Titan Past. Did you forget about The Vow Renouncing War? Karl Fritz made it so that no one Royal Blood could ever use The Founding Titan's full power.
We already saw what Founders bound by King Fritz's vow were capable of doing, 9:58 touched upon one of the things - that she was clearly shown being able to erase the memories of Eldians with ease, meaning she knew how to order Ymir to do stuff, and could have easily erased Grisha's memory. In addition to that, we know that generations of kings, up until Uri, hunted Ackermanns down to extinction due to them not being able to have their memory wiped, so they are absolutely able to use violence and their powers to take out enemies. The existence of the crystal cave, as well as the iceburst stone, means the Founder, even after the vow, was completely capable of using hardening to make crazy things.
Yeah, I tried to address that a bit with the part about Kruger, but since that's technically subjective (although for anyone who's not intentionally obtuse it's really not) it wasn't something I could talk about. The tonality during the whole thing is just so, for lack of a better term, *weird*. It's the end of the world, they're probably going to end up dead, yet the way they act gives this extreme tonal whiplash, spending their time yelling about "friends" and "talking to Eren!", not to mention all the quippy one-liners. Some of that would be fine if done right, but it's not self-aware "our lives might be over, so we might as well enjoy it" kind of one-liners; it's extremely Marvel-esque one liners, which makes a lot of sense when you find out Isayama literally said in an interview he decided to change the ending after watching Guardians of the Galaxy (not a joke). And for the actual battle itself, I'm thinking of making a video on it, but I'll need some time to recharge after making this video. I think I watched the final episode, maybe 20 times total while making this video? And that's ignoring having to read and re-read it more than enough times in manga-form while hunting panels. Nobody yet has made an actual breakdown of the sheer number of "close calls" and "watch out/behind you!" that happen in the final, or of the actual structure of the fight itself, but it's really, really bad. The absolute whiplash from earlier in the series, where everything was carefully designed and proportioned to fit the stakes and flow beautifully, is horrendous. The Ancient Titans as a whole are just terrible for the story in every possible way, so many parts of the narrative were ruined by them. (Sneak peak here! If I do end up making that video, I'm pretty sure the title will be "Ancient Titans Ruined Attack on Titan"). It's a serious flaw of the ending that I haven't yet seen discussed in detail, so maybe that's my calling.
I have mixed feelings about the ending of Attack on Titan. Honestly, I just don’t like what Eren Yeager became. It’s hard for me to understand how he turned into such a villain-it feels like his personality was completely destroyed by the creator. What made it worse is how it contradicted the show’s earlier themes. At first, it was all about revenge on the Titans and survival, and it seemed like Eren was growing into a strong but relatable character with clear motivations. Instead, the ending took a direction that felt disconnected from his journey. I also really thought the relationship between Eren and Mikasa would develop in a meaningful way. There were so many moments where it felt like they were building something powerful, but the way it all ended was disappointing. Instead of bringing closure or hope, it just left me confused and frustrated. The story had so much potential, but the ending didn’t live up to the buildup. I still love the series for what it was, but the ending... it’s hard to accept. I’m not even sure if I can consider the new ending (the new movie) a "happy ending" because the scene of EMA living together in canon just feels like it was added to the film solely to justify the cash grab. That’s how I feel about it. And still, Good ending or bad ending, I still don’t think any anime can surpass Attack on Titan in every aspect.
brother didnt even understood why eren even wanted to kill the titans in the first place and guess what? this fixation on killing the titans EXISTED BEFORE HIS MOTHER WAS KILLED LOL 🤣😂😂
I agree with on that aspect. But I don't agree on eren and mikasa relationship thing. Because really for me, I always see them as brother and sister, even if they're not related. But I do see them as bro & sis. and not lovers. But that's just me.
@@alexfawcett7691 Well guess what, you're not alone! Isayama actually said the same thing as you for years, in 9 different interviews making the point that they're family. The most damning of these was his Gekkan Shingeki no Kyojin Vol. 3 interview, which was years after the "I'll wrap my scarf around you scene", by the way, which said (exact quote): "For Eren, rather than a lover, Mikasa's presence is like a mother to him". In 8 other interviews he says very similar things, always making the point that they are only like family and that Mikasa's obsession with Eren is "pitiful".
For founding titan (rest) point: 1. No royal blood wasn't only needed to command ymir, it's needed to access ymir in the first place, otherwise eren would be able to visit the coordinate at anytime before touching zeke and would be able to identify ymir (which he didn't) 2. The power immediately shutting down after zeke's death is an inconsistency yeah but I don't think it matters much (and more than anything it's a season 2 flaw because its version in the finale makes more sense logically/power wise) 4. Eren doesn't talk to the alliance AFTER his power is gone but way back during special 1 when he brought armin to the paths + He didn't return their memories because the moment the power of the titan vanishes they naturally restore their "erased" memories 5. Mikasa's memories weren't wiped, while it is vague who brought her to the alternative reality (ymir in my headcanon bcuz eren lost his powers and mikasa was getting headaches right before she wakes up and the headaches were confirmed to be ymir messing with her), in the "dream" itself she says "I feel I shouldn't be here" then she realizes what's going on and after she leaves she says "I can't" but I kinda agree that this was half-baked (no concrete explanation provided)
1. For one, Is that not part of the same thing? People with the coordinate who don't have royal blood are just ignored and unable to use the powers, let alone enter paths, because they don't have royal blood. Ymir is the one who calls them there - like when Zeke was healed after blowing himself up, Ymir calls people to Paths (unless they're absorbed like Armin in the finale but that's a different story), and the Coordinate only gets to enter paths when a Royal Blood person wants it, like Zeke did in S4P2. It's somewhat convoluted, but it's basically just another head of the same reasoning. And for second, the main reason I was making that point was buildup for the series of inconsistencies and retcons in the power during the Zeke-death-arc, and for the hallucigenia as well I guess. 2. I mean... it wouldn't be that bad on its own, yeah, but it's part of, what, 4 or 5 plotholes and retcons all emerging from this one event? Factoring in everything that the Zeke death messed up, from the fact it shouldn't matter, to Eren using his power anyways later on, to the retcons from earlier on, to the Hallucigenia "nonsense" subplot, as I referred to it, to the Wall Titan retcons, it was a powder keg that destroyed a huge chunk of the series' internal logic. I like how you skipped 3 lol, that tripped me up for a second. 4. This part is somewhat subjective, because it's not really explained at all. It's supposed to be that Eren talked to them all earlier in the story through paths, like you said, and ignoring the various subjective ways that affects his character, to some degree it doesn't make sense. In Connie's, for example, he says that his mother will come back to life. How would he know that pure titans would through the whole process of reforming their body from paths, rather than just melt into steam and die? Who knows! I mean, sure, it could've been because the powers disappeared, but we have no way to know since the whole thing was extremely vague. 5. But with Mikasa, for one, it wasn't an "alternative reality", it was her in Paths with Eren. How do I know this? At the end of 5 or so minute dream, we see Eren's face start to show titan marks. That is also what happened (much more subtle in the anime though) with Eren talking to Armin, when his Paths trip was beginning to end. And actually, her memories *were* erased! You said it yourself, in the dream she says "I feel I shouldn't be here" and clearly does not know what's going on, meaning her memories were wiped! We also see Eren be like "don't you remember it was blah blah blah" and memories suddenly flash like they just appeared. And for the technically subjective (but not really) proof, there's that it's Eren - he would absolutely never go off to be with Mikasa in a cabin, it would violate every character trait he has and validate Mikasa's one-sided obsession with the Eren she made up in her head.
@@Conqueringrule how could mikasa have had her memories erased when she's an Ackerman? I thought they were immune to that, isn't that a major plothole too?
Saying "the algorithm" was probably a bit misleading, but I couldn't figure out another way to mention that without getting sidetracked. What I meant by that was the algorithm tends to have difficulty differentiating content that praises the ending from content that criticizes it, so videos critical of the ending end up getting recommended to people who absolutely aren't interested in videos like this outside of leaving a nasty comment, and thus give the video pretty bad engagement that then kills the video. Or at least that's my theory, part of the reason I made my video with the niche of "no subjective topics" and "no Eren" was to try and get some of those people to watch out of curiosity, considering most videos like to talk about - you guessed it - Eren. The video I mentioned at the end, the one about Armin, you can see by the comment section was recommended solely to the sphere of "ending good" instead of the "ending flawed" crowd, and that's probably part of the reason it got so few positive comments or viewers.
@@Conqueringrule ah, no worries. I'm someone who was mostly satisfied by the anime ending myself, but this video was really well made, so good job. Honestly I didn't really care much that Yelena didn't get a conclusion, but now that you point it out I would have liked to see one.
It's like the og titans like kruger and girisha saw the doomed fate via connection to the paths somehow and probably saw all events happening that's why we get the line (everything is connected via paths )and decided to support the alliance against rumbling.
Eren did still need royal blood for the rumbling. Royal blood is needed to access ymir. When Eren freed Ymir that made it so she no longer needs to obey royal blood and she can choose who ever she wants to follow. However royal blood is still needed to access Ymir. You can call this a "head canon" but it still easily solves this "plothole"
I tried my best to explain that in as simple of a way as possible, but it was a pretty difficult thing to explain even though it's really simple. I'll give it another shot, though: So *why* is Royal Blood needed to access Ymir? The answer isn't "because it just is", it was actually explained to us (in fragments at first, but then complete) in Season 4 Part 2. First, though, we need to talk about Karl Fritz. All Karl did, in regards to how the powers work, is make it so any person with Royal Blood who gets the Founding Titan gets instantly "possessed" by his ideology and thoughts. Besides that, the rest just works like this, as outlined in Season 4 Part 2: Ymir only listens to those with Royal Blood. Only the Founder can access Ymir, though, since that is its power. Every time a Founder actually does something, it's really just whoever has the power telling Ymir to complete an action, hence why everything around Frieda makes no sense. Adding those two things up, we get this: Ymir only listens to Royal Blood, only the Founder can reach Ymir, but Ymir literally will not acknowledge their existence if they don't have Royal Blood, so that is why someone with Founding powers needs to touch a titan of Royal Blood; so Ymir actually responds. But then everything changed. Ymir, for the very first time, rejected the command of someone with Royal Blood, and went with the wish of someone without it. That means, of course, that Royal Blood was no longer needed. Not sure how to word this, but it's actually destroys the need for Royal Blood in two different ways; one is that the actual reason Royal Blood was required has been destroyed. That's more than enough. Another is that Eren had already wished for the titans to go Rumble across the Earth; if his powers were stopped, the titans wouldn't since it was already commanded, and Karl's commands lasting not just after his death, but even after the Founder was stolen, means a command continues until completed or a subsequent Founder stops it. Only by rewriting the story could it make sense for Zeke's death to in any way effect Eren's ability to use powers.
You just used “head cannon” to debate “head cannon” -> “Yimir, for the very first time, rejected the command of someone with royal blood, and went with the wish of someone without it. THAT MEANS, OF COURSE, that royal blood was no longer needed.” this is head cannon bro. Arguing against head cannon with headcannon will never get anywhere. The unfortunate reality is that the ending implies through “headcannon” that zeke is still needed for eren to flatten the world because it is eren whom is actively carrying out the attack, eren asks yimir to lend him her power, Eren is flattening the world not yimir but in order for eren to access the power borrowed power he still needs zeke to serve as a middle man between yimir and eren. This seems more like a nitpick because in the grand scheme of it the result still ends the same way. The ending is very open ended that’s just the reality of it, it will always be interpreted different that’s where most of the criticism comes from because nobody can actually agree on what’s happening
@@Llllll-hb2wp You misunderstand what im saying. i said that in order to access Ymir you need royal blood. I also said that Ymir only chose to obey royal blood untill Eren freed her. Meaning that Eren would still require royal blood to use Ymir even when she is freed. This is literally what the ending shows us. If someone wants to say its a retcon and royal blood isnt actually significant and its simply just Ymir choosing who she wants. Then that would mean they must provide evidence of it originally being that way.
Hello! Thanks for the shoutout! Everything you said really shows that the ending was spectacle over substance. I never really thought about the Kruger thing myself because of how quickly the show moves on from the past shifters, but yeah, he wouldn't. It raises the question of whether it was actually them fighting against the alliance, or their consciousnesses controlled by Ymir, but we'll never know the answer, so! I said this in my own video, I think, but I also didn’t like how agreeable the alliance became towards the end of the series (the part about Isayama mind controlling them). Also, if you don't think the video is doing well enough (whatever "doing well" means to you), I highly suggest you change the thumbnail + title within the first 24-48 hours of it being live. Sometimes _you_ like a thumbnail, but the algorithm doesn't. And to make a post in the titanfolk subreddit if you feel the algorithm is not being friendly to you, because they've been cool to me about that sort of thing where many subs have rules against it, and they'll actually come watch. Any little bit helps. Also, also, your timestamps aren't working. Gotta add 0's before the single minutes (like 01: whatever).
I actually did try to post about it, but it got removed since my account doesn't have enough karma (I rarely sign in to Reddit). I tried to comment on some posts to get karma instead... but need more karma to do that. Oh well. I'm not really happy with this thumbnail anyways, too much orange and brown to really stand out, so hopefully changing it will help once I come up with something better.
@conqueringrule Well, the video isn’t going anywhere, so you can just build karma in the meantime. But now… I have no idea why your timestamps still aren’t working. They’re correct, as far as I can tell. You should be able to see them from your end if you watch your own video, so you can see if they’re working or not.
Kruger supporting the rumbling, never gets old. 1. Paradis ≠ Eldia 2. To me at least it's clear (chp86,88) that the Eldian restorationists fight primarily to free the true Eldians and have mixed feelings about the eldians who abandoned them on the mainland. They want to infiltrate Paradis to steal the founding titan and bring it back. So Kruger leaving the rest of the world to die, letting only the ones in Paradis live... comical. 3. By the time they stop the rumbling, Marley is reduced to rubble. I don't see why some characters according to you are fighting to save Marley. They fight to save the WORLD. People whose names they don't know. They fight for the right thing. 4. Even then, it seems that Kruger had got too caught up with his revenge and lost himself, like many others in this series. He played his role as a marleyan officer as he hid from his closet watching his parents get killed, powerless to bring any change himself. It's not too unreasonable to assume that armin speech awoke something inside him, after being blinded for so long.
1. Doesn't matter, because 2. A central plotpoint with Kruger's reveal was that he was hiding a *lot* of information from Grisha. What he knew seemed to be pretty close to what we the audience knew, and considering everything he said it's made very clear he doesn't believe in any of the "true Eldian" vs "Island abandoner" nonsense. What's made even more clear is what he directly states parts of **multiple times** , that he's willing to kill untold amounts of innocents just for the chance to "get revenge on Marley and restore Eldia to power", he's motivated by rage against those who take away his freedom, and he wants to use the Founding Titan power to do this. Adding that all up, what does that give us? Basically just a much more calm and depressed Eren. Also, I'm assuming you snuck this in on purpose or misspoke, but the mission Kruger gave to Grisha was absolutely not to take the Founding Titan from Paradis and bring it back to the mainland, that's totally wrong. For one, the Eldian Restorationists don't even exist after his reveal, they're all titanized or dead. He literally tells Grisha to stay within the Walls, lmao, "love someone within the walls", remember? 3. The entire world ended up uniting with Marley to destroy Paradis, and that was even established before the Declaration of War, that the united hatred of Paradis is what maintained global relations, not to mention that Marley was actually the country that treated Eldians the best. Through that, the world had essentially become an extension of Marley, both literally (through them forcing all other countries to do as they please) and thematically (them all adopting Marley's mindset of "destroy Paradis destroy Eldians"). And it seems you're trying to do some kind of Marvel-esque appeal to emotion here, "we're saving the WORLD guys and defeating the super bad guy!", when this is a series that (previously) was marked by how morally gray the situation was. Kruger tortured and killed thousands of Eldians just for the thought of someone restoring Eldia or getting revenge on Marley, so why would he ever fight against someone doing the exact thing he said, for the exact same goal, except of the people guilty or complacent in the slaughter of Eldians? It's ridiculous and nothing like generic Shonen morality. 4. His comment on "watching the whole world from behind a door all this time" is possibly the most misunderstood quote in the series. People mistakenly interpret it as him meaning he didn't understand the world or had a narrow view of the world, but really he's referencing himself as a child, when he was powerless to change anything when his parents were torched by the Marleyan guards. It's strange that you bring this up, because that's possibly the best proof yet that he would not fight against the Rumbling - unlike himself as an Officer, or him as a child, the Rumbling was Eren of the future leaving that door and attacking those responsible and those complacent (parallels to child Eren Yeager and child Grisha, who were both powerless and subsequently felt the rage against the world, but unlike Kruger and Grisha, who lacked the willpower, Eren was able to leave the door and end the cycle of failure). And Armin's speech giving him some kind of secret character arc (that's in no way supported by the series itself) is an irrational conclusion to come to.
@@Conqueringrule @Conqueringrule I'll give you that it's sudden, but Kruger, Grisha, Ksaver, Marcel etc, were all listening to armin as was ymir, and they start to act as soon as armin stops speaking and asks them for help, so at least it's clearly supported by the source material. Also, (to me) Kruger is not some fanatic restorationist. He may hate Marley, but not all the Marleyans. He became very complacent as a marleyan officer. That he has tortured some eldians doesn't mean that he would be okay with every single eldian beyond paradis getting stomped to death. Huge logic leap. Funny that you mention the "love someone, or we are doomed to repeat it all again" to then proceed to spout yegerist nonesense about how it's morally gray to carry out a full rumbling to get some sweeet revenge. Not on you, but really reminds me of the r/titanfolk threads twisting the themes of the story. Overall I must admit you made a good video pointing out some inconsistencies/ weak writing, so don't think I want to argue to death here, good job on (mostly) the rest of the vid.
@@khloros17 Well thanks for the compliment on the rest of it. Honestly, I think the problem is that Isayama just messed up how he depicted the Rumbling to the audience past a certain point. It basically becomes "good guy superhero gang!" vs "super nazis", so any nuance that was there was absolutely destroyed. The nuance that *was* there, though, in my opinion makes it pretty clear that Kruger would've supported it. As for the point about Kruger hearing Armin, I mean, maybe? According to Armin "Zeke summoned them", which would've been after his speech, but who knows. That's all so vague and unexplained you can believe whatever you want in that regard. Playing Devil's Advocate for a second, lets say that is true and that's the reason Kruger fought against the Rumbling, that he heard Armin's speech. The only reason Armin's speech changing Zeke's mind is somewhat acceptable is because Zeke was essentially broken by what Eren did and fell into a really bad depressive episode, and Armin's speech woke him up from it. Do you realize how bad of writing that would be for Kruger to hear Armin's corny speech and completely change his outlook on everything? For his entire personality to completely change because someone says "dude, don't forget to enjoy the little things in life!" For Zeke it's somewhat acceptable given the circumstances, but for Kruger that would just be ridiculous, because everything his character *is*, is in-line with a full Rumbling (what an obvious segue lol). What happens with full Rumbling? Eldia is established, revenge for Marley's injustice happens, and if someone was loved within the walls by whoever was wielding the Founding Titan power to do so, then a cruel regime that restarts the whole process is averted. What else happens? Millions upon millions of (mostly) innocent people have a brutal death. What Kruger did, as I tried to explain but might not have done a great job of doing so, was essentially a microcosm of The Rumbling; he killed thousands of innocents instead of millions, a fraction of the amount of the Rumbling, and only achieved only a fraction of progress towards establishing Eldia and only a fraction of revenge on Marley. And then in the end, he expressed regret for not doing enough and having been powerless. The only reason people don't want to see it is basically what you said there; it was eventually presented as either "good guy against evil Rumbling!" or "super nazi", so the idea that there could be characters inbetween that or outside of that dichotomy entirely feels wrong to think about, even though that's how it was for every other morally abhorrent or agreeable thing the entire rest of the series.
I’ve grown to love Attack on Titan’s ending more with each rewatch. It’s not a character assassination of Eren but the culmination of who he’s always been. From the very start, Eren was an oddball-rebellious, self-driven, and at odds with the world’s status quo. His fixation on freedom and disdain for complacency were evident from episode one, foreshadowing his willingness to sacrifice anything for his ideals. The Rumbling, while horrific, felt like a necessary evil in Eren’s eyes. With Marley’s plans to exploit Paradis and his shortened lifespan, Eren saw no other way to secure peace for his friends, even if it meant shouldering the world’s hatred. His confession to Armin about wanting his friends to live long, happy lives but not wanting to lose them parallels his mother’s final moments. Just as Carla begged Eren and Mikasa to leave her for their own safety, Eren’s actions reveal the same contradictions-love and freedom in painful conflict. Throughout the series, moments like Eren’s prophetic dreams, his speech in Liberio, and his desire to protect Mikasa and Armin foreshadow his end. The Attack Titan’s nature as a fighter for freedom mirrors Eren’s own drive, and his disappointment at the sea reflects the tragic realization that freedom is more complex than he imagined. Ultimately, Eren’s choices were flawed, tragic, and deeply human, which is why the ending feels so powerful.
Is this... an ending defending bot? If not, this has to be satire, because this is exactly what I talked about in my specifically non-Eren-related video: 0:49 I literally described this exact kind of comment. Also AI generated lol.
@Conqueringrule You're assuming you're right. Which you're not lol. You do understand that you saying something and supporting it with your opinions doesn't make it a fact right?This is a conversation between he and I, and I for one disregarded your opinion on the matter. We're not looking for resolution or to convince eachother but only to talk about it and understand one another. To even think that is there is a right or wrong answer when discussing opinions on art is something 🤔. Are you wanting to discuss as well?
@Conqueringrule that's a stupid way to shut someone's argument down. Yeah you weren't talking about Eren in the video, doesn't mean he's irrelevant. He's the main character for gods sake
@mucicafrajer This is a video that has the specific theme of not being about Eren. This guy AI generated a comment about how good the ending is, or possibly copy-pasted it from somewhere else, and it *only* talks about Eren as its argument for why the ending is somehow good. That's obviously ridiculous, not just because it's completely irrelevant to everything I talked about, but also because I talked about how stupid that is - people ignore everything that happened in the ending to talk specifically about Eren as if that somehow makes it good, when it doesn't, it's cheap gaslighting that can be seen through easily. And that's not to mention that the comment doesn't actually understand Eren at all, which is very fitting honestly.
@@Conqueringrule You're just making up that he didn't write the comment when you have no evidence for or even things pointing towards it. The fact that it only talks about Eren is not irrelevant, it's just not exactly countering any arguments of the video. Which is fine because the dude never said the ending was objectively good, just that he likes it and why.
This is a great video. I’ve been very disappointed to see both sides of this debate accusing each other of illiteracy. It’s a very childish way to shut down criticism, and it really highlights how much of the ending interpretations are based on kernels of pure headcannon to fill in the gaps. Focusing on the most egregious and undeniable issues with the story is a great way to ground the discussion. The gaps in information should be the main target of criticism. It wasn’t the express purpose of your video but it highlighted many of these instances all the same. Events which are justified based on information we don’t know and never will know. Attack on Titan is not the first show to pull a bunch of random nonsense out of its back pocket in the finale, and it won’t be the last. But in this case it’s the instances of conflicting information that lead me to believe there were heavy retcons involved. If I could offer one point of criticism, it would be that we do have evidence of the founding titan being able to control the shifters. Again, based on a kernel of headcannon, when Eren activated the founder’s power in season 2 the show cut to reactions shots of each shifter; as if to imply they felt the ‘pang’ of mind control but it was too weak to compel them to act. It’s never confirmed that this was the case but I don’t know what else those shots could’ve possibly meant.
Thanks for the thoughtful comment :) That's funny, I've always considered that scene proof that the Founder *can't* control shifters. The other shifters felt when he used the power, since he's the coordinate after all, but when he subconsciously "ordered" or controlled all the titans to attack Dina, the shifters were completely unaffected. Then, when he did it again to specifically target the shifters, they were still unaffected, and only ever felt that he used the power.
@@Conqueringrule We both watched the same scene and came to different conclusions. This is what I'm talking about with subconsciously using small pieces of head cannon to fill in the blanks of information. The shifters definitely felt something when Eren used the coordinate multiple times in that episode, but we lack the critical piece of information to know exactly what it was. I could simply call you illiterate for disagreeing with me but that wouldn't achieve anything. We know that some people inside titan bodies, even shifters, live in a dreamlike state whilst some other consciousness (subconscious?) controls their body making it do typical titan things. The shifters are able to consciously break out of that state and control their own titan bodies themselves. Whether that's a global rule affecting all titans and all shifters is unknown. Maybe Eren was too much of a novice to use the coordinate to its full effect, or maybe the mechanical function of the power would never work on a "conscious titan" no matter what. We simply don't know. I don't think your interpretation is any less viable than mine and yet the implications for the world building are vastly different.
Kruger might have regrets about what he has done. So yeah going against the Rumbling could make sense. Flaco's power are very simple don't get the problem. He is the jaw, yet he became a Titan's through Zeke's influence, who's the Beast titan. Each Beast titan has a different Beast according to their personality, so Falco got the Falcon. That's really it. Frieda..... Remember the Vow renuncing war? Lol we could play that game a long time. If you choose to hate something you'll find ways to hate it. Thing is, most of the time, if you love it you'll be able to defend it. Especially here there is legetimate justicifations. The vow renuncing war probably made Frieda weaker with the founder's powers. Plus her never transforming before made her weak at fighting.
Well, for one, I've never "chosen" to hate anything. The only reason I'd be willing to spend months re-watching and re-reading the ending, writing the script, downloading clips and pages to edit together for this video would be because I like the series, not hate it. And secondly, I went into the ending with a clear bias *in favor* of the ending, expecting the haters I heard about to be completely wrong and the ending to be really good. That wasn't the case, at all, and most of the things I mentioned in the video I could instantly tell made no sense when I first watched, because I paid attention to the plot. 1. It's irrational to assume Kruger had massive character development that completely erased who he is as a person off-screen, after his death. At that point, why not bring back Floch to come fight the Rumbling, maybe he did too! It's a silly example, but it shows how ridiculous it is to assume that. 2. Falco was turned into a pure titan with Zeke's spinal fluid (like how a bunch of other pure titans have been made) and suddenly has full Beast titan powers better than the actual shifter! We were also told that the Beast was used specifically for the purpose of titan experiments and testing, so it would've been literally impossible for this to have not been discovered, not just because nearly every pure titan we see get created is from Zeke's fluid, but because all titans are made of shifter spinal fluid, as extracting from pures would be ridiculous. Not only that, Falco's titan has attributes of a completely arbitrary and random shifter from the past instead of Zeke’s, ruining the Beast power for obvious reasons, and also ruining the Female Titan power that we just learned about because this implies all shifters can steal attributes the same way, as well as the infinite stamina and shifts Falco used to fly across the entire continent without even getting tired also trivializing the Cart Titan. Or in a TLDR: Falco's titan does not make sense, ruins a ton of worldbuilding, ruins the Beast Titan power, ruins the Female Titan power and ruins the Cart Titan power, as well as being one of the most extreme cases of plot convenience I've ever seen in any show. It's pretty bad, even the majority of ending likers I've talked to admit it. 3. We already saw what Founders bound by King Fritz's vow were capable of doing, 9:58 touched upon one of the things - that she was clearly shown being able to erase the memories of Eldians with ease, meaning she knew how to order Ymir to do stuff, and could have easily erased Grisha's memory. In addition to that, we know that generations of kings, up until Uri, hunted Ackermanns down to extinction due to them not being able to have their memory wiped, so they are absolutely able to use violence and their powers to take out enemies. The existence of the crystal cave, as well as the iceburst stone, means the Founder, even after the vow, was completely capable of using hardening to make crazy things.
@Conqueringrule Falco doesnt have better attributes than Zeke. Falco first became a normal titan through Zeke, then became the Jaw. Since hé first became a titan thanks to the Beast titan, his Jaw titan ended up being a mix of Jaw and Beast. The reason he's not a Monkey is because each Beast is different for each shifter. Kasaver was a sheep, Zeke a Monkey and Falco a Falcon. That's really it. His attributes are his not those of a past titan. Plus even if he had better use of the Beast titan than the Beast, how would that be non sensical? Falco is literally the first mix shifter we've Seen. The first Jaw with Beast attributes. It's true tho that Falco had to cross a ton of KM to reach Them. But that's not thanks to the Cart stamina as you randomly assume, but just for plot purpose.
@Conqueringrule number 3 would definitely need more explanation tho. Isayama didnt dive into that because it was irrelevant, but as someone who wishes for a Great Titan War Prequel, there's a massive problem regarding the founder. Unless I missed something, if the founder can control the memories of the subject of Ymir, how tf could there be a war between the shifters? The founder could just manipulate them.
@@fs400ion I think there was a misunderstanding on your last point. I'm not saying Falco stole the Cart's stamina, I'm saying that by giving him near-infinite stamina, which is supposed to be the Cart Titan's power, it makes the Cart Titan no longer make any sense! I guess I could try to explain the problem with Falco's Titan a different way. Presumably, all pures are made from shifter titan fluid. Even if they aren't all made like that, we know they're made with the Beast Titan fluid. If that's the case, then all shifters are made using fluid from other shifters. Which means, of course, that Falco stealing attributes doesn't make sense. And the problem is, he didn't steal attributes, he stole the entire power! How is the Female Titan's power supposed to make any sense if titans could supposedly do that? How is all the worldbuilding supposed to make sense? Or the basic logic of how powers even work? And you say that "each Beast is different for each shifter", but the thing is, he's not a Beast Titan, he's a Jaw Titan, made the same exact way as the rest of the titans have been! It just doesn't make sense in any regard. Oh and also, I think you missed the scene on the boat. He does not have the Falcon Beast powers because they're "his", he has them because he had a dream of a past shifter that was able to fly, and that made him be able to. Doesn't make sense, but it's what happened.
@@Conqueringrule Oh I get it now. If all shifters were first turned as mindless titans with the Beast fluid, then yes it's incoherent. The explanatino to this would be some spinal fluid came from other shifters than the beast, or maybe even from a captive mindless titan. As for what Falco says about the dream it's either 1. indeed a memory from a previous beast who could also fly. But this doesnt mean he stole that exact power. Maybe that other Beast was a pterodactyle. 2. Falco is seeing future memories of himself flying, maybe thanks to Eren? which would be coherent with Falco's first scene where he already had the memory of his final fight where he's flying with the scouts on ODM gear. Last thing I could mention is that it's been hinted that the powers of the nine are not clear cut. The hint of that is with the past titans. Some of them are very hard to guess if they are Beast, Jaw or Cart. Plus we do know that those titans too came from a common ancestor : the founding, then the three daughters. So at first the 9 titans were originally 3. Anyway point is that this is not bad writing. It's just left untouched by the author. But nothing in that is so contradictory it can't be explained.
Yes, it's a great way to show that focusing on some issue that's the current cause of war isn't going to get rid of war. One of the things I love about the series
Your founding titan (past) point totally falls flat because frieda can't use the complete power of the founding because she is bound by king fritz's vow not because she doesn't have experience, and obviously she isn't a good titan fighter so obviously grisha will solo her
We already saw what Founders bound by King Fritz's vow were capable of doing, 9:58 touched upon one of the things - that she was clearly shown being able to erase the memories of Eldians with ease, meaning she knew how to order Ymir to do stuff, and could have easily erased Grisha's memory. In addition to that, we know that generations of kings, up until Uri, hunted Ackermanns down to extinction due to them not being able to have their memory wiped, so they are absolutely able to use violence and their powers to take out enemies. The existence of the crystal cave, as well as the iceburst stone, means the Founder, even after the vow, was completely capable of using hardening to make crazy things.
kruger was against marley was he ever against the entire freaking world lol no and you are blinded by hypocrisy here KRUGER DIDNT EVEN KNEW THAT YMIR MADE THE ENTIRE WORLD SUFFER FOR 2000 YEARS idk how you people just IGNORE the freaking fact that marley are just taking revenge and what eren is doing is EXACTLY SAME even kruger says - LOVE SOMEONE INSIDE THE WALLS otherwise this conflict wont stop idk how rumbling equals love here
I think I've seen you comment on other videos I've watched before, haha. I tried to go through your claims chronologically below, but it ended up a bit messy. Yeah, he was against Marley. Kruger said the reason he chose Grisha was because, like him, he saw in his eyes "rage burning as though to engulf the entire world", the same rage we see Eren have as a child (Rumbling foreshadowing? Maybe). "Since then, I've lived by my vow to get revenge on Marley and restore Eldia to power". And after describing how he's killed thousands of innocents, he says he "believes it was all to help Eldia." And for the final piece of the puzzle, pay attention to exactly what he was talking about when he said to "love someone inside the walls": he was telling Grisha to use his power to reclaim the Founding Titan, and followed with that. The point? So that when Grisha does all of this, he doesn't let power turn him into a maniacal, vengeful monster, like the Kings before Karl and the Marleyan Empire, or into an apathetic, guilt-ridden failure, like Karl. So when Eldia is established and all the innocents required are sacrificed to achieve it, the cycle of hatred and conflict can finally end with a ruler and society that truly wants peace. (Now that I think about it, that would actually be great foreshadowing for the Eren x Historia theories, I never believed in them but that would be decent proof) I'm not sure what the point of your line about Kruger not knowing about Ymir is, but that's not true. He uses the term "Subject of Ymir", and it's just common knowledge that titans originated from Ymir. He also talked about knowing Ymir wasn't an angel or a devil, just implied (his line about "anyone can be a god or a devil" or however it was worded), so he had a much more accurate view on her than nearly anyone else. And while what Eren was doing was motivated by revenge (just like Kruger was, and was the whole reason Kruger chose Grisha!) his goal was not revenge; it was to end the cycle of hatred, that just-so-happening to also include the establishment of Eldia upon succeeding with that plan. Anyways, you put that all together (along with what I said in the video) and it's basically undeniable that he would support the Rumbling, let alone fight against it.
@ I was talking about ymir because Kruger himself doesn’t know ymirs story whether she was really a good or bad person Grisha believed that ymir was a good person and only helped people and Marley were hating them just for fun rather than revenge But in truth even though ymir was a good person king frtiz exploited her and brought carnage to the world for literally 2000 years And what do you mean by necessary innocents ? 💀 rumbling is much more brutal than that lol And Kruger was only focused on restoring eldian peace and he only hated MARLEY not the entire world He never said to destroy the entire freaking world to achieve it And he also said to love someone inside the walls because that’s how you END THE CYCLE OF HATRED With compassion and not more bloodshed lol Eldian empire started it ALL - Marley are taking revenge - eldian are taking revenge (eren) Cycle of hatred ….simple
@ravenn8600 because rest of the world contains innocents as well just like erens mom(explained by historia in s4 ep28) ? and also eldians like gabi and falco who were forced to attack paradise only because KARL fritz fled to paradise and left them in marley to suffer?
This video took quite a while to make, and in the process there was quite a bit I had to scrap or alter, so I'll update this comment with anything I would've or should've mentioned.
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It seems the main thing people are latching on to in an attempt to "disprove" the video is my comment on Kruger, specifically the one that he would not have fought against the Rumbling (and ignoring everything else lmao). Given the theme of my video is of only objective flaws, nothing subjective, that might seem like a weird or contradictory point for me to have made - that is, after all, based on character motivation. But that only goes to a certain extent, as I'll explain in a second.
Firstly, lets define exactly what I mean by "objective" - something that is fundamentally, intrinsically true regardless of personal interpretation or belief. The most basic example of this is 2 + 2 = 4. It's fundamentally true regardless of what you believe, making it an objective truth. Or... is it? After all, someone could always just argue that they believe 2 + 2 = 5 and that a magical being just changes the result each time the equation is done into equaling 4, and since they can't be disproven that means it's actually subjective. That's an example of radical skepticism, a belief (but given it's usually only used when convenient just a form of argument) that essentially claims nothing is objective and everything is subjective because you can believe whatever you want without being able to be proven wrong.
In the case of Kruger, that's what all arguments for him fighting against the Rumbling are, because all his established character traits show he wouldn't fight against it. He's willing to kill untold amounts of innocents just for the chance to "get revenge on Marley and restore Eldia to power", he's motivated by rage against those who take away his freedom, and he wants to use the Founding Titan power to do this. Adding that all up, what does that give us? Basically just a much more calm and depressed Eren. There is only evidence that he would fight for the Rumbling, not against it. Going back to what I was saying earlier about radical skepticism, the only argument someone can (and people do) make against this is along the lines of this; "Kruger could have had a character arc off-screen after he died and completely changed all his beliefs! Also he only wanted revenge on Marley and said to love someone within the walls!" That first sentence is exactly what I was talking about; there is absolutely no evidence for this, it's a story element entirely made up by the mind with no root in reality, and is therefore no more rationally valid than the math one. The second sentence actually gives more proof he would fight for the Rumbling, but people just don't realize that. The entire world ended up uniting with Marley to destroy Paradis, and that was even established before the Declaration of War, that the united hatred of Paradis is what maintained global relations, not to mention that Marley was actually the country that treated Eldians the best. Through that, the world had essentially become an extension of Marley. The other line, that he said to love someone within the walls, doesn't change anything considering the context it was said, and doesn't affect anything else he said.
The one other thing people bring up is Armin's speech to Zeke that ended his depression, and claim Kruger heard that and was suddenly motivated to fight against the Rumbling. Playing Devil's Advocate for a second, lets say that is true and that's the reason Kruger fought against the Rumbling, that he heard Armin's speech. The only reason Armin's speech changing Zeke's mind is somewhat acceptable is because Zeke was essentially broken by what Eren did and fell into a really bad depressive episode, and Armin's speech woke him up from it. Do you realize how bad of writing that would be for Kruger to hear Armin's speech and completely change his outlook on everything? For his entire personality to completely change because someone says "dude, don't forget to enjoy the little things in life!" For Zeke it's somewhat acceptable given the circumstances, but for Kruger that would just be ridiculous, because everything his character *is*, is in-line with a full Rumbling.
What happens with full Rumbling? Eldia is established, revenge for Marley's injustice happens, and if someone was loved within the walls by whoever was wielding the Founding Titan power to do so, then a cruel regime that restarts the whole process is averted. What else happens? Millions upon millions of (mostly) innocent people have a brutal death. What Kruger did, as I tried to explain but might not have done a great job of doing so, was essentially a microcosm of The Rumbling; he killed thousands of innocents instead of millions, a fraction of the amount of the Rumbling, and only achieved only a fraction of progress towards establishing Eldia and only a fraction of revenge on Marley. And then in the end, he expressed regret for not doing enough and having been powerless. The only reason people don't want to see it is due to us only seeing two sides to the conflict; it was eventually presented as either "good guy against evil Rumbling!" or "super nazi", so the idea that there could be characters inbetween that or outside of that dichotomy entirely feels wrong to think about, even though that's how it was for every other morally abhorrent or agreeable thing the entire rest of the series.
Adding that all up, here's what you're left with; overwhelming evidence that Kruger would support the Rumbling, or at the least would not fight against it, and absolutely nothing to counter it other than the most ridiculous "reasoning" possible that depends entirely on the rejection of rationalism.
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About two weeks ago a Q&A with Isayama released, and in that Q&A he revealed that the millions of Wall Titans all unshifted in the ending and were then persecuted by the 20% left. Not only is that really significant to the story in quite a bit of ways, but it also is important for another reason - for years, a specific side of AOT fans have insisted the Wall Titans weren't Pure Titans and were actually some special titan mechanic that created empty puppets, and the most fervid would consistently insist it was "obvious", and that if you think there's plotholes then you just "need everything to be spelled out for you", among other lines. For one, this says a lot about the, for lack of a better term, AOT worshipper's mentality - they deliberately ignore anything that doesn't fit the narrative of "Story Perfect!", and use any rational they can to defend it along with as much irrationality as possible to avoid things that don't defend it, like various huge plot beats I bring up in the video.
At 2:35 I should not have mentioned this (kinda) - we do know who summoned the Ancient Titans, Ymir. I said it 30 seconds before that too lol. So that was (mostly) a messup since I didn't end up talking about this, but the reasoning behind them being from Ymir Armin guesses within the show is completely illogical. Armin claims they're from Ymir because "If Eren really is just moving forward, like he said, that means all this resistance is the will of the Founder Ymir". This... frankly, makes absolutely no sense. Eren also said during that same conversation that he would fight them to the death and would not hold back, so if bringing back Ancient Titans could be a Founder power then he absolutely would have done it.
Some extra cut topics:
The Paths Retcon: I hadn't wrote out the script for this one, but essentially Paths were always shown to be instantaneous, meaning anything that happened there would happen all at once in the "real world". Until, of course, Armin was "eaten" and ended up in Paths, where his interactions with Zeke were suddenly... happening in real time? Especially strange considering this is flip-flopped anyways as Paths works normally again when Eren talked to the Alliance at the end.
The Warhammer Titan: Ended up cutting this one since it more had to do with Season 4 as a whole rather than the ending, but the series failed Checkov's Gun horribly with the Warhammer, with no justification whatsoever for how it was underutilized. I believe there are some good videos or posts about it floating around the internet somewhere.
The Dina "Plot Twist": I was going to bring this up in the outro, specifically a pretty good video discussing it, but the outro was dragging in length and this ended up being one of the things that had to be cut, since there were a few extremely important points that were missed. The video is linked in the description.
I wish there could've been 5th season, say, starting after the rumbling, to explain more things in detail.
For Founding Titan Past. Did you forget about The Vow Renouncing War? Karl Fritz made it so that no one Royal Blood could ever use The Founding Titan's full power.
We already saw what Founders bound by King Fritz's vow were capable of doing, 9:58 touched upon one of the things - that she was clearly shown being able to erase the memories of Eldians with ease, meaning she knew how to order Ymir to do stuff, and could have easily erased Grisha's memory. In addition to that, we know that generations of kings, up until Uri, hunted Ackermanns down to extinction due to them not being able to have their memory wiped, so they are absolutely able to use violence and their powers to take out enemies. The existence of the crystal cave, as well as the iceburst stone, means the Founder, even after the vow, was completely capable of using hardening to make crazy things.
The battle itself is such Shonen fluff it definitely my least favorite aspect of the ending
Yeah, I tried to address that a bit with the part about Kruger, but since that's technically subjective (although for anyone who's not intentionally obtuse it's really not) it wasn't something I could talk about. The tonality during the whole thing is just so, for lack of a better term, *weird*. It's the end of the world, they're probably going to end up dead, yet the way they act gives this extreme tonal whiplash, spending their time yelling about "friends" and "talking to Eren!", not to mention all the quippy one-liners. Some of that would be fine if done right, but it's not self-aware "our lives might be over, so we might as well enjoy it" kind of one-liners; it's extremely Marvel-esque one liners, which makes a lot of sense when you find out Isayama literally said in an interview he decided to change the ending after watching Guardians of the Galaxy (not a joke).
And for the actual battle itself, I'm thinking of making a video on it, but I'll need some time to recharge after making this video. I think I watched the final episode, maybe 20 times total while making this video? And that's ignoring having to read and re-read it more than enough times in manga-form while hunting panels. Nobody yet has made an actual breakdown of the sheer number of "close calls" and "watch out/behind you!" that happen in the final, or of the actual structure of the fight itself, but it's really, really bad. The absolute whiplash from earlier in the series, where everything was carefully designed and proportioned to fit the stakes and flow beautifully, is horrendous. The Ancient Titans as a whole are just terrible for the story in every possible way, so many parts of the narrative were ruined by them. (Sneak peak here! If I do end up making that video, I'm pretty sure the title will be "Ancient Titans Ruined Attack on Titan"). It's a serious flaw of the ending that I haven't yet seen discussed in detail, so maybe that's my calling.
I have mixed feelings about the ending of Attack on Titan. Honestly, I just don’t like what Eren Yeager became. It’s hard for me to understand how he turned into such a villain-it feels like his personality was completely destroyed by the creator. What made it worse is how it contradicted the show’s earlier themes. At first, it was all about revenge on the Titans and survival, and it seemed like Eren was growing into a strong but relatable character with clear motivations. Instead, the ending took a direction that felt disconnected from his journey.
I also really thought the relationship between Eren and Mikasa would develop in a meaningful way. There were so many moments where it felt like they were building something powerful, but the way it all ended was disappointing. Instead of bringing closure or hope, it just left me confused and frustrated. The story had so much potential, but the ending didn’t live up to the buildup. I still love the series for what it was, but the ending... it’s hard to accept.
I’m not even sure if I can consider the new ending (the new movie) a "happy ending" because the scene of EMA living together in canon just feels like it was added to the film solely to justify the cash grab. That’s how I feel about it.
And still, Good ending or bad ending, I still don’t think any anime can surpass Attack on Titan in every aspect.
brother didnt even understood why eren even wanted to kill the titans in the first place and guess what? this fixation on killing the titans EXISTED BEFORE HIS MOTHER WAS KILLED LOL
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It doesn’t mean i have to like it BROTHER. What about respecting other’s opinion?
@@DabelOr its okay if you dont like it but saying it diminishes erens character SOMEHOW is wrong
I agree with on that aspect. But I don't agree on eren and mikasa relationship thing. Because really for me, I always see them as brother and sister, even if they're not related. But I do see them as bro & sis. and not lovers. But that's just me.
@@alexfawcett7691 Well guess what, you're not alone! Isayama actually said the same thing as you for years, in 9 different interviews making the point that they're family. The most damning of these was his Gekkan Shingeki no Kyojin Vol. 3 interview, which was years after the "I'll wrap my scarf around you scene", by the way, which said (exact quote): "For Eren, rather than a lover, Mikasa's presence is like a mother to him". In 8 other interviews he says very similar things, always making the point that they are only like family and that Mikasa's obsession with Eren is "pitiful".
For founding titan (rest) point:
1. No royal blood wasn't only needed to command ymir, it's needed to access ymir in the first place, otherwise eren would be able to visit the coordinate at anytime before touching zeke and would be able to identify ymir (which he didn't)
2. The power immediately shutting down after zeke's death is an inconsistency yeah but I don't think it matters much (and more than anything it's a season 2 flaw because its version in the finale makes more sense logically/power wise)
4. Eren doesn't talk to the alliance AFTER his power is gone but way back during special 1 when he brought armin to the paths + He didn't return their memories because the moment the power of the titan vanishes they naturally restore their "erased" memories
5. Mikasa's memories weren't wiped, while it is vague who brought her to the alternative reality (ymir in my headcanon bcuz eren lost his powers and mikasa was getting headaches right before she wakes up and the headaches were confirmed to be ymir messing with her), in the "dream" itself she says "I feel I shouldn't be here" then she realizes what's going on and after she leaves she says "I can't" but I kinda agree that this was half-baked (no concrete explanation provided)
1. For one, Is that not part of the same thing? People with the coordinate who don't have royal blood are just ignored and unable to use the powers, let alone enter paths, because they don't have royal blood. Ymir is the one who calls them there - like when Zeke was healed after blowing himself up, Ymir calls people to Paths (unless they're absorbed like Armin in the finale but that's a different story), and the Coordinate only gets to enter paths when a Royal Blood person wants it, like Zeke did in S4P2. It's somewhat convoluted, but it's basically just another head of the same reasoning. And for second, the main reason I was making that point was buildup for the series of inconsistencies and retcons in the power during the Zeke-death-arc, and for the hallucigenia as well I guess.
2. I mean... it wouldn't be that bad on its own, yeah, but it's part of, what, 4 or 5 plotholes and retcons all emerging from this one event? Factoring in everything that the Zeke death messed up, from the fact it shouldn't matter, to Eren using his power anyways later on, to the retcons from earlier on, to the Hallucigenia "nonsense" subplot, as I referred to it, to the Wall Titan retcons, it was a powder keg that destroyed a huge chunk of the series' internal logic.
I like how you skipped 3 lol, that tripped me up for a second. 4. This part is somewhat subjective, because it's not really explained at all. It's supposed to be that Eren talked to them all earlier in the story through paths, like you said, and ignoring the various subjective ways that affects his character, to some degree it doesn't make sense. In Connie's, for example, he says that his mother will come back to life. How would he know that pure titans would through the whole process of reforming their body from paths, rather than just melt into steam and die? Who knows! I mean, sure, it could've been because the powers disappeared, but we have no way to know since the whole thing was extremely vague.
5. But with Mikasa, for one, it wasn't an "alternative reality", it was her in Paths with Eren. How do I know this? At the end of 5 or so minute dream, we see Eren's face start to show titan marks. That is also what happened (much more subtle in the anime though) with Eren talking to Armin, when his Paths trip was beginning to end. And actually, her memories *were* erased! You said it yourself, in the dream she says "I feel I shouldn't be here" and clearly does not know what's going on, meaning her memories were wiped! We also see Eren be like "don't you remember it was blah blah blah" and memories suddenly flash like they just appeared. And for the technically subjective (but not really) proof, there's that it's Eren - he would absolutely never go off to be with Mikasa in a cabin, it would violate every character trait he has and validate Mikasa's one-sided obsession with the Eren she made up in her head.
@@Conqueringrule how could mikasa have had her memories erased when she's an Ackerman? I thought they were immune to that, isn't that a major plothole too?
23:16 "the algorithm tends to not like videos critical of the ending"..... what?
Saying "the algorithm" was probably a bit misleading, but I couldn't figure out another way to mention that without getting sidetracked. What I meant by that was the algorithm tends to have difficulty differentiating content that praises the ending from content that criticizes it, so videos critical of the ending end up getting recommended to people who absolutely aren't interested in videos like this outside of leaving a nasty comment, and thus give the video pretty bad engagement that then kills the video.
Or at least that's my theory, part of the reason I made my video with the niche of "no subjective topics" and "no Eren" was to try and get some of those people to watch out of curiosity, considering most videos like to talk about - you guessed it - Eren. The video I mentioned at the end, the one about Armin, you can see by the comment section was recommended solely to the sphere of "ending good" instead of the "ending flawed" crowd, and that's probably part of the reason it got so few positive comments or viewers.
@@Conqueringrule ah, no worries. I'm someone who was mostly satisfied by the anime ending myself, but this video was really well made, so good job. Honestly I didn't really care much that Yelena didn't get a conclusion, but now that you point it out I would have liked to see one.
It's like the og titans like kruger and girisha saw the doomed fate via connection to the paths somehow and probably saw all events happening that's why we get the line (everything is connected via paths )and decided to support the alliance against rumbling.
Eren did still need royal blood for the rumbling. Royal blood is needed to access ymir. When Eren freed Ymir that made it so she no longer needs to obey royal blood and she can choose who ever she wants to follow. However royal blood is still needed to access Ymir. You can call this a "head canon" but it still easily solves this "plothole"
I tried my best to explain that in as simple of a way as possible, but it was a pretty difficult thing to explain even though it's really simple. I'll give it another shot, though:
So *why* is Royal Blood needed to access Ymir? The answer isn't "because it just is", it was actually explained to us (in fragments at first, but then complete) in Season 4 Part 2. First, though, we need to talk about Karl Fritz.
All Karl did, in regards to how the powers work, is make it so any person with Royal Blood who gets the Founding Titan gets instantly "possessed" by his ideology and thoughts. Besides that, the rest just works like this, as outlined in Season 4 Part 2: Ymir only listens to those with Royal Blood. Only the Founder can access Ymir, though, since that is its power. Every time a Founder actually does something, it's really just whoever has the power telling Ymir to complete an action, hence why everything around Frieda makes no sense.
Adding those two things up, we get this: Ymir only listens to Royal Blood, only the Founder can reach Ymir, but Ymir literally will not acknowledge their existence if they don't have Royal Blood, so that is why someone with Founding powers needs to touch a titan of Royal Blood; so Ymir actually responds. But then everything changed. Ymir, for the very first time, rejected the command of someone with Royal Blood, and went with the wish of someone without it. That means, of course, that Royal Blood was no longer needed. Not sure how to word this, but it's actually destroys the need for Royal Blood in two different ways; one is that the actual reason Royal Blood was required has been destroyed. That's more than enough. Another is that Eren had already wished for the titans to go Rumble across the Earth; if his powers were stopped, the titans wouldn't since it was already commanded, and Karl's commands lasting not just after his death, but even after the Founder was stolen, means a command continues until completed or a subsequent Founder stops it. Only by rewriting the story could it make sense for Zeke's death to in any way effect Eren's ability to use powers.
You just used “head cannon” to debate “head cannon” -> “Yimir, for the very first time, rejected the command of someone with royal blood, and went with the wish of someone without it. THAT MEANS, OF COURSE, that royal blood was no longer needed.” this is head cannon bro. Arguing against head cannon with headcannon will never get anywhere. The unfortunate reality is that the ending implies through “headcannon” that zeke is still needed for eren to flatten the world because it is eren whom is actively carrying out the attack, eren asks yimir to lend him her power, Eren is flattening the world not yimir but in order for eren to access the power borrowed power he still needs zeke to serve as a middle man between yimir and eren. This seems more like a nitpick because in the grand scheme of it the result still ends the same way. The ending is very open ended that’s just the reality of it, it will always be interpreted different that’s where most of the criticism comes from because nobody can actually agree on what’s happening
@@Llllll-hb2wp You misunderstand what im saying. i said that in order to access Ymir you need royal blood. I also said that Ymir only chose to obey royal blood untill Eren freed her. Meaning that Eren would still require royal blood to use Ymir even when she is freed. This is literally what the ending shows us.
If someone wants to say its a retcon and royal blood isnt actually significant and its simply just Ymir choosing who she wants. Then that would mean they must provide evidence of it originally being that way.
@@ToastEr-f3b I replied to wrong person oops
@ yes I agree
Hello! Thanks for the shoutout!
Everything you said really shows that the ending was spectacle over substance. I never really thought about the Kruger thing myself because of how quickly the show moves on from the past shifters, but yeah, he wouldn't. It raises the question of whether it was actually them fighting against the alliance, or their consciousnesses controlled by Ymir, but we'll never know the answer, so! I said this in my own video, I think, but I also didn’t like how agreeable the alliance became towards the end of the series (the part about Isayama mind controlling them).
Also, if you don't think the video is doing well enough (whatever "doing well" means to you), I highly suggest you change the thumbnail + title within the first 24-48 hours of it being live. Sometimes _you_ like a thumbnail, but the algorithm doesn't. And to make a post in the titanfolk subreddit if you feel the algorithm is not being friendly to you, because they've been cool to me about that sort of thing where many subs have rules against it, and they'll actually come watch. Any little bit helps.
Also, also, your timestamps aren't working. Gotta add 0's before the single minutes (like 01: whatever).
I actually did try to post about it, but it got removed since my account doesn't have enough karma (I rarely sign in to Reddit). I tried to comment on some posts to get karma instead... but need more karma to do that. Oh well.
I'm not really happy with this thumbnail anyways, too much orange and brown to really stand out, so hopefully changing it will help once I come up with something better.
@conqueringrule Well, the video isn’t going anywhere, so you can just build karma in the meantime.
But now… I have no idea why your timestamps still aren’t working. They’re correct, as far as I can tell. You should be able to see them from your end if you watch your own video, so you can see if they’re working or not.
Kruger supporting the rumbling, never gets old.
1. Paradis ≠ Eldia
2. To me at least it's clear (chp86,88) that the Eldian restorationists fight primarily to free the true Eldians and have mixed feelings about the eldians who abandoned them on the mainland. They want to infiltrate Paradis to steal the founding titan and bring it back. So Kruger leaving the rest of the world to die, letting only the ones in Paradis live... comical.
3. By the time they stop the rumbling, Marley is reduced to rubble. I don't see why some characters according to you are fighting to save Marley. They fight to save the WORLD. People whose names they don't know. They fight for the right thing.
4. Even then, it seems that Kruger had got too caught up with his revenge and lost himself, like many others in this series. He played his role as a marleyan officer as he hid from his closet watching his parents get killed, powerless to bring any change himself. It's not too unreasonable to assume that armin speech awoke something inside him, after being blinded for so long.
1. Doesn't matter, because
2. A central plotpoint with Kruger's reveal was that he was hiding a *lot* of information from Grisha. What he knew seemed to be pretty close to what we the audience knew, and considering everything he said it's made very clear he doesn't believe in any of the "true Eldian" vs "Island abandoner" nonsense. What's made even more clear is what he directly states parts of **multiple times** , that he's willing to kill untold amounts of innocents just for the chance to "get revenge on Marley and restore Eldia to power", he's motivated by rage against those who take away his freedom, and he wants to use the Founding Titan power to do this. Adding that all up, what does that give us? Basically just a much more calm and depressed Eren.
Also, I'm assuming you snuck this in on purpose or misspoke, but the mission Kruger gave to Grisha was absolutely not to take the Founding Titan from Paradis and bring it back to the mainland, that's totally wrong. For one, the Eldian Restorationists don't even exist after his reveal, they're all titanized or dead. He literally tells Grisha to stay within the Walls, lmao, "love someone within the walls", remember?
3. The entire world ended up uniting with Marley to destroy Paradis, and that was even established before the Declaration of War, that the united hatred of Paradis is what maintained global relations, not to mention that Marley was actually the country that treated Eldians the best. Through that, the world had essentially become an extension of Marley, both literally (through them forcing all other countries to do as they please) and thematically (them all adopting Marley's mindset of "destroy Paradis destroy Eldians"). And it seems you're trying to do some kind of Marvel-esque appeal to emotion here, "we're saving the WORLD guys and defeating the super bad guy!", when this is a series that (previously) was marked by how morally gray the situation was. Kruger tortured and killed thousands of Eldians just for the thought of someone restoring Eldia or getting revenge on Marley, so why would he ever fight against someone doing the exact thing he said, for the exact same goal, except of the people guilty or complacent in the slaughter of Eldians? It's ridiculous and nothing like generic Shonen morality.
4. His comment on "watching the whole world from behind a door all this time" is possibly the most misunderstood quote in the series. People mistakenly interpret it as him meaning he didn't understand the world or had a narrow view of the world, but really he's referencing himself as a child, when he was powerless to change anything when his parents were torched by the Marleyan guards. It's strange that you bring this up, because that's possibly the best proof yet that he would not fight against the Rumbling - unlike himself as an Officer, or him as a child, the Rumbling was Eren of the future leaving that door and attacking those responsible and those complacent (parallels to child Eren Yeager and child Grisha, who were both powerless and subsequently felt the rage against the world, but unlike Kruger and Grisha, who lacked the willpower, Eren was able to leave the door and end the cycle of failure). And Armin's speech giving him some kind of secret character arc (that's in no way supported by the series itself) is an irrational conclusion to come to.
@@Conqueringrule @Conqueringrule I'll give you that it's sudden, but Kruger, Grisha, Ksaver, Marcel etc, were all listening to armin as was ymir, and they start to act as soon as armin stops speaking and asks them for help, so at least it's clearly supported by the source material.
Also, (to me) Kruger is not some fanatic restorationist. He may hate Marley, but not all the Marleyans. He became very complacent as a marleyan officer. That he has tortured some eldians doesn't mean that he would be okay with every single eldian beyond paradis getting stomped to death. Huge logic leap.
Funny that you mention the "love someone, or we are doomed to repeat it all again" to then proceed to spout yegerist nonesense about how it's morally gray to carry out a full rumbling to get some sweeet revenge. Not on you, but really reminds me of the r/titanfolk threads twisting the themes of the story.
Overall I must admit you made a good video pointing out some inconsistencies/ weak writing, so don't think I want to argue to death here, good job on (mostly) the rest of the vid.
@@khloros17 Well thanks for the compliment on the rest of it. Honestly, I think the problem is that Isayama just messed up how he depicted the Rumbling to the audience past a certain point. It basically becomes "good guy superhero gang!" vs "super nazis", so any nuance that was there was absolutely destroyed. The nuance that *was* there, though, in my opinion makes it pretty clear that Kruger would've supported it.
As for the point about Kruger hearing Armin, I mean, maybe? According to Armin "Zeke summoned them", which would've been after his speech, but who knows. That's all so vague and unexplained you can believe whatever you want in that regard. Playing Devil's Advocate for a second, lets say that is true and that's the reason Kruger fought against the Rumbling, that he heard Armin's speech. The only reason Armin's speech changing Zeke's mind is somewhat acceptable is because Zeke was essentially broken by what Eren did and fell into a really bad depressive episode, and Armin's speech woke him up from it. Do you realize how bad of writing that would be for Kruger to hear Armin's corny speech and completely change his outlook on everything? For his entire personality to completely change because someone says "dude, don't forget to enjoy the little things in life!" For Zeke it's somewhat acceptable given the circumstances, but for Kruger that would just be ridiculous, because everything his character *is*, is in-line with a full Rumbling (what an obvious segue lol).
What happens with full Rumbling? Eldia is established, revenge for Marley's injustice happens, and if someone was loved within the walls by whoever was wielding the Founding Titan power to do so, then a cruel regime that restarts the whole process is averted. What else happens? Millions upon millions of (mostly) innocent people have a brutal death. What Kruger did, as I tried to explain but might not have done a great job of doing so, was essentially a microcosm of The Rumbling; he killed thousands of innocents instead of millions, a fraction of the amount of the Rumbling, and only achieved only a fraction of progress towards establishing Eldia and only a fraction of revenge on Marley. And then in the end, he expressed regret for not doing enough and having been powerless. The only reason people don't want to see it is basically what you said there; it was eventually presented as either "good guy against evil Rumbling!" or "super nazi", so the idea that there could be characters inbetween that or outside of that dichotomy entirely feels wrong to think about, even though that's how it was for every other morally abhorrent or agreeable thing the entire rest of the series.
I’ve grown to love Attack on Titan’s ending more with each rewatch. It’s not a character assassination of Eren but the culmination of who he’s always been. From the very start, Eren was an oddball-rebellious, self-driven, and at odds with the world’s status quo. His fixation on freedom and disdain for complacency were evident from episode one, foreshadowing his willingness to sacrifice anything for his ideals.
The Rumbling, while horrific, felt like a necessary evil in Eren’s eyes. With Marley’s plans to exploit Paradis and his shortened lifespan, Eren saw no other way to secure peace for his friends, even if it meant shouldering the world’s hatred. His confession to Armin about wanting his friends to live long, happy lives but not wanting to lose them parallels his mother’s final moments. Just as Carla begged Eren and Mikasa to leave her for their own safety, Eren’s actions reveal the same contradictions-love and freedom in painful conflict.
Throughout the series, moments like Eren’s prophetic dreams, his speech in Liberio, and his desire to protect Mikasa and Armin foreshadow his end. The Attack Titan’s nature as a fighter for freedom mirrors Eren’s own drive, and his disappointment at the sea reflects the tragic realization that freedom is more complex than he imagined. Ultimately, Eren’s choices were flawed, tragic, and deeply human, which is why the ending feels so powerful.
Is this... an ending defending bot? If not, this has to be satire, because this is exactly what I talked about in my specifically non-Eren-related video: 0:49 I literally described this exact kind of comment. Also AI generated lol.
@Conqueringrule You're assuming you're right. Which you're not lol. You do understand that you saying something and supporting it with your opinions doesn't make it a fact right?This is a conversation between he and I, and I for one disregarded your opinion on the matter. We're not looking for resolution or to convince eachother but only to talk about it and understand one another. To even think that is there is a right or wrong answer when discussing opinions on art is something 🤔. Are you wanting to discuss as well?
@Conqueringrule that's a stupid way to shut someone's argument down. Yeah you weren't talking about Eren in the video, doesn't mean he's irrelevant. He's the main character for gods sake
@mucicafrajer This is a video that has the specific theme of not being about Eren. This guy AI generated a comment about how good the ending is, or possibly copy-pasted it from somewhere else, and it *only* talks about Eren as its argument for why the ending is somehow good. That's obviously ridiculous, not just because it's completely irrelevant to everything I talked about, but also because I talked about how stupid that is - people ignore everything that happened in the ending to talk specifically about Eren as if that somehow makes it good, when it doesn't, it's cheap gaslighting that can be seen through easily. And that's not to mention that the comment doesn't actually understand Eren at all, which is very fitting honestly.
@@Conqueringrule You're just making up that he didn't write the comment when you have no evidence for or even things pointing towards it. The fact that it only talks about Eren is not irrelevant, it's just not exactly countering any arguments of the video. Which is fine because the dude never said the ending was objectively good, just that he likes it and why.
Banger of a video i was suprised why this doesn't have a mill views but love the vid tho ❤
This is a great video. I’ve been very disappointed to see both sides of this debate accusing each other of illiteracy. It’s a very childish way to shut down criticism, and it really highlights how much of the ending interpretations are based on kernels of pure headcannon to fill in the gaps. Focusing on the most egregious and undeniable issues with the story is a great way to ground the discussion.
The gaps in information should be the main target of criticism. It wasn’t the express purpose of your video but it highlighted many of these instances all the same. Events which are justified based on information we don’t know and never will know. Attack on Titan is not the first show to pull a bunch of random nonsense out of its back pocket in the finale, and it won’t be the last. But in this case it’s the instances of conflicting information that lead me to believe there were heavy retcons involved.
If I could offer one point of criticism, it would be that we do have evidence of the founding titan being able to control the shifters. Again, based on a kernel of headcannon, when Eren activated the founder’s power in season 2 the show cut to reactions shots of each shifter; as if to imply they felt the ‘pang’ of mind control but it was too weak to compel them to act. It’s never confirmed that this was the case but I don’t know what else those shots could’ve possibly meant.
Thanks for the thoughtful comment :)
That's funny, I've always considered that scene proof that the Founder *can't* control shifters. The other shifters felt when he used the power, since he's the coordinate after all, but when he subconsciously "ordered" or controlled all the titans to attack Dina, the shifters were completely unaffected. Then, when he did it again to specifically target the shifters, they were still unaffected, and only ever felt that he used the power.
@@Conqueringrule We both watched the same scene and came to different conclusions. This is what I'm talking about with subconsciously using small pieces of head cannon to fill in the blanks of information. The shifters definitely felt something when Eren used the coordinate multiple times in that episode, but we lack the critical piece of information to know exactly what it was. I could simply call you illiterate for disagreeing with me but that wouldn't achieve anything.
We know that some people inside titan bodies, even shifters, live in a dreamlike state whilst some other consciousness (subconscious?) controls their body making it do typical titan things. The shifters are able to consciously break out of that state and control their own titan bodies themselves. Whether that's a global rule affecting all titans and all shifters is unknown. Maybe Eren was too much of a novice to use the coordinate to its full effect, or maybe the mechanical function of the power would never work on a "conscious titan" no matter what. We simply don't know. I don't think your interpretation is any less viable than mine and yet the implications for the world building are vastly different.
Kruger might have regrets about what he has done. So yeah going against the Rumbling could make sense. Flaco's power are very simple don't get the problem. He is the jaw, yet he became a Titan's through Zeke's influence, who's the Beast titan. Each Beast titan has a different Beast according to their personality, so Falco got the Falcon. That's really it.
Frieda..... Remember the Vow renuncing war? Lol we could play that game a long time. If you choose to hate something you'll find ways to hate it. Thing is, most of the time, if you love it you'll be able to defend it. Especially here there is legetimate justicifations. The vow renuncing war probably made Frieda weaker with the founder's powers. Plus her never transforming before made her weak at fighting.
Well, for one, I've never "chosen" to hate anything. The only reason I'd be willing to spend months re-watching and re-reading the ending, writing the script, downloading clips and pages to edit together for this video would be because I like the series, not hate it. And secondly, I went into the ending with a clear bias *in favor* of the ending, expecting the haters I heard about to be completely wrong and the ending to be really good. That wasn't the case, at all, and most of the things I mentioned in the video I could instantly tell made no sense when I first watched, because I paid attention to the plot.
1. It's irrational to assume Kruger had massive character development that completely erased who he is as a person off-screen, after his death. At that point, why not bring back Floch to come fight the Rumbling, maybe he did too! It's a silly example, but it shows how ridiculous it is to assume that.
2. Falco was turned into a pure titan with Zeke's spinal fluid (like how a bunch of other pure titans have been made) and suddenly has full Beast titan powers better than the actual shifter! We were also told that the Beast was used specifically for the purpose of titan experiments and testing, so it would've been literally impossible for this to have not been discovered, not just because nearly every pure titan we see get created is from Zeke's fluid, but because all titans are made of shifter spinal fluid, as extracting from pures would be ridiculous. Not only that, Falco's titan has attributes of a completely arbitrary and random shifter from the past instead of Zeke’s, ruining the Beast power for obvious reasons, and also ruining the Female Titan power that we just learned about because this implies all shifters can steal attributes the same way, as well as the infinite stamina and shifts Falco used to fly across the entire continent without even getting tired also trivializing the Cart Titan.
Or in a TLDR: Falco's titan does not make sense, ruins a ton of worldbuilding, ruins the Beast Titan power, ruins the Female Titan power and ruins the Cart Titan power, as well as being one of the most extreme cases of plot convenience I've ever seen in any show. It's pretty bad, even the majority of ending likers I've talked to admit it.
3. We already saw what Founders bound by King Fritz's vow were capable of doing, 9:58 touched upon one of the things - that she was clearly shown being able to erase the memories of Eldians with ease, meaning she knew how to order Ymir to do stuff, and could have easily erased Grisha's memory. In addition to that, we know that generations of kings, up until Uri, hunted Ackermanns down to extinction due to them not being able to have their memory wiped, so they are absolutely able to use violence and their powers to take out enemies. The existence of the crystal cave, as well as the iceburst stone, means the Founder, even after the vow, was completely capable of using hardening to make crazy things.
@Conqueringrule Falco doesnt have better attributes than Zeke. Falco first became a normal titan through Zeke, then became the Jaw. Since hé first became a titan thanks to the Beast titan, his Jaw titan ended up being a mix of Jaw and Beast. The reason he's not a Monkey is because each Beast is different for each shifter. Kasaver was a sheep, Zeke a Monkey and Falco a Falcon. That's really it. His attributes are his not those of a past titan. Plus even if he had better use of the Beast titan than the Beast, how would that be non sensical? Falco is literally the first mix shifter we've Seen. The first Jaw with Beast attributes.
It's true tho that Falco had to cross a ton of KM to reach Them. But that's not thanks to the Cart stamina as you randomly assume, but just for plot purpose.
@Conqueringrule number 3 would definitely need more explanation tho. Isayama didnt dive into that because it was irrelevant, but as someone who wishes for a Great Titan War Prequel, there's a massive problem regarding the founder. Unless I missed something, if the founder can control the memories of the subject of Ymir, how tf could there be a war between the shifters? The founder could just manipulate them.
@@fs400ion I think there was a misunderstanding on your last point. I'm not saying Falco stole the Cart's stamina, I'm saying that by giving him near-infinite stamina, which is supposed to be the Cart Titan's power, it makes the Cart Titan no longer make any sense!
I guess I could try to explain the problem with Falco's Titan a different way. Presumably, all pures are made from shifter titan fluid. Even if they aren't all made like that, we know they're made with the Beast Titan fluid. If that's the case, then all shifters are made using fluid from other shifters. Which means, of course, that Falco stealing attributes doesn't make sense. And the problem is, he didn't steal attributes, he stole the entire power! How is the Female Titan's power supposed to make any sense if titans could supposedly do that? How is all the worldbuilding supposed to make sense? Or the basic logic of how powers even work? And you say that "each Beast is different for each shifter", but the thing is, he's not a Beast Titan, he's a Jaw Titan, made the same exact way as the rest of the titans have been! It just doesn't make sense in any regard.
Oh and also, I think you missed the scene on the boat. He does not have the Falcon Beast powers because they're "his", he has them because he had a dream of a past shifter that was able to fly, and that made him be able to. Doesn't make sense, but it's what happened.
@@Conqueringrule Oh I get it now. If all shifters were first turned as mindless titans with the Beast fluid, then yes it's incoherent. The explanatino to this would be some spinal fluid came from other shifters than the beast, or maybe even from a captive mindless titan. As for what Falco says about the dream it's either 1. indeed a memory from a previous beast who could also fly. But this doesnt mean he stole that exact power. Maybe that other Beast was a pterodactyle. 2. Falco is seeing future memories of himself flying, maybe thanks to Eren? which would be coherent with Falco's first scene where he already had the memory of his final fight where he's flying with the scouts on ODM gear.
Last thing I could mention is that it's been hinted that the powers of the nine are not clear cut. The hint of that is with the past titans. Some of them are very hard to guess if they are Beast, Jaw or Cart. Plus we do know that those titans too came from a common ancestor : the founding, then the three daughters. So at first the 9 titans were originally 3. Anyway point is that this is not bad writing. It's just left untouched by the author. But nothing in that is so contradictory it can't be explained.
Eren solved the Titan problem. But War will still exist.
Yes, it's a great way to show that focusing on some issue that's the current cause of war isn't going to get rid of war. One of the things I love about the series
Your founding titan (past) point totally falls flat because frieda can't use the complete power of the founding because she is bound by king fritz's vow not because she doesn't have experience, and obviously she isn't a good titan fighter so obviously grisha will solo her
We already saw what Founders bound by King Fritz's vow were capable of doing, 9:58 touched upon one of the things - that she was clearly shown being able to erase the memories of Eldians with ease, meaning she knew how to order Ymir to do stuff, and could have easily erased Grisha's memory. In addition to that, we know that generations of kings, up until Uri, hunted Ackermanns down to extinction due to them not being able to have their memory wiped, so they are absolutely able to use violence and their powers to take out enemies. The existence of the crystal cave, as well as the iceburst stone, means the Founder, even after the vow, was completely capable of using hardening to make crazy things.
kruger was against marley
was he ever against the entire freaking world lol no and you are blinded by hypocrisy here
KRUGER DIDNT EVEN KNEW THAT YMIR MADE THE ENTIRE WORLD SUFFER FOR 2000 YEARS
idk how you people just IGNORE the freaking fact that marley are just taking revenge
and what eren is doing is EXACTLY SAME
even kruger says - LOVE SOMEONE INSIDE THE WALLS otherwise this conflict wont stop
idk how rumbling equals love here
I think I've seen you comment on other videos I've watched before, haha. I tried to go through your claims chronologically below, but it ended up a bit messy.
Yeah, he was against Marley. Kruger said the reason he chose Grisha was because, like him, he saw in his eyes "rage burning as though to engulf the entire world", the same rage we see Eren have as a child (Rumbling foreshadowing? Maybe). "Since then, I've lived by my vow to get revenge on Marley and restore Eldia to power". And after describing how he's killed thousands of innocents, he says he "believes it was all to help Eldia." And for the final piece of the puzzle, pay attention to exactly what he was talking about when he said to "love someone inside the walls": he was telling Grisha to use his power to reclaim the Founding Titan, and followed with that. The point? So that when Grisha does all of this, he doesn't let power turn him into a maniacal, vengeful monster, like the Kings before Karl and the Marleyan Empire, or into an apathetic, guilt-ridden failure, like Karl. So when Eldia is established and all the innocents required are sacrificed to achieve it, the cycle of hatred and conflict can finally end with a ruler and society that truly wants peace.
(Now that I think about it, that would actually be great foreshadowing for the Eren x Historia theories, I never believed in them but that would be decent proof)
I'm not sure what the point of your line about Kruger not knowing about Ymir is, but that's not true. He uses the term "Subject of Ymir", and it's just common knowledge that titans originated from Ymir. He also talked about knowing Ymir wasn't an angel or a devil, just implied (his line about "anyone can be a god or a devil" or however it was worded), so he had a much more accurate view on her than nearly anyone else. And while what Eren was doing was motivated by revenge (just like Kruger was, and was the whole reason Kruger chose Grisha!) his goal was not revenge; it was to end the cycle of hatred, that just-so-happening to also include the establishment of Eldia upon succeeding with that plan.
Anyways, you put that all together (along with what I said in the video) and it's basically undeniable that he would support the Rumbling, let alone fight against it.
@ I was talking about ymir because Kruger himself doesn’t know ymirs story whether she was really a good or bad person
Grisha believed that ymir was a good person and only helped people and Marley were hating them just for fun rather than revenge
But in truth even though ymir was a good person king frtiz exploited her and brought carnage to the world for literally 2000 years
And what do you mean by necessary innocents ? 💀 rumbling is much more brutal than that lol
And Kruger was only focused on restoring eldian peace and he only hated MARLEY not the entire world
He never said to destroy the entire freaking world to achieve it
And he also said to love someone inside the walls because that’s how you END THE CYCLE OF HATRED
With compassion and not more bloodshed lol
Eldian empire started it ALL - Marley are taking revenge - eldian are taking revenge (eren)
Cycle of hatred ….simple
@@AM17titan Don't the rest of the world hate eldians too? Why would he care about them.
@ravenn8600 because rest of the world contains innocents as well just like erens mom(explained by historia in s4 ep28) ? and also eldians like gabi and falco who were forced to attack paradise only because KARL fritz fled to paradise and left them in marley to suffer?