Although this was great, I'm so sad for the game we didn't get. I really wanted to see a proper lunatic that doesn't immediately know they are a lunatic. Sully as a lunatic was perfect casting. Especially with Brooke as the minion to play off of him. Would have really enjoyed seeing that game.
Yeah it really hurt the game by Adam guessing Sully and choosing to just go straight to Sully to tell him he is the lunatic. Adam played the meta and knew that the game runners would do that to him. And with his lucky guess it was the only possible chance. If he wasn't the lunatic he would have been told a different role for sure so it was clear as day he was the lunatic. The storytellers need to stop doing the most obvious things they can for content because the players know thats what they are doing. The games are getting progressively easier for the good team to figure things out.
I think Sully would have realized when Brooke didn’t rise to the ‘and what are you?’ question anyway. If your minion starts with ‘I’m the grandmother’, there’s a problem.
A great way to make that sort of game, and you can tweak this to fit the level of experience of the player: *1)* Show them the Demon as a Minion as well as at least one of the actual Minion(s). Yes, this is risky, but here's the key thing: the Demon knows that the person is the Lunatic and can very easily bluff as a Minion and string them along. This can also heavily help the evil team if the Lunatic is the type of person to think their "Minions" are likely good players. *2)* Don't show them any in-play characters or Demon bluffs. (This is something Ben has been doing every time. It's up to each ST how they run, of course, but I like to give the average player one in-play character, one Demon bluff, and one solid bluff in no particular order. Usually the in-play one is a character that wouldn't want to out their role, like an Outsider.) *3)* Show them falsely that they have a Lunatic. This is something you can do, but you really shouldn't do it unless the player is experienced enough to realize that you can do it. (I personally don't think Ben should've done that with these players have only been in maybe 4 games that could have it, including this one, unless they had their own outside experience.) *4)* Wake them as early as possible. This is very ST dependent. A good ST, imo, will never be consistent about how long time passes in the night before someone is woken (and adds extra time at the end). I personally like to take a moment at the start of every night to work out my plans and assess the situation while walking around and stopping randomly. The night order should be Minion info then Demon info right after, so if they wake after a short while in the night, they'll likely believe it. It's incredibly rare to have a game where Lunatic goes all game thinking they're the Demon. The idea of Lunatic is you give them a chance that they'll go part of the game sure they're Demon and at some point figure it out and try to convince town.
I almost thought that Issac was about to find the hidden part of his ability. He could ask about Fortune Teller and find out that it doesn't exist. You can get beat up by a Drunk but it's such a powerful way to play the ability to find out that Fortune Teller isn't in the game.
Damn. I thought I was the only one that was thinking this. He could be asking about claims and confirming people.. That's would have been way stronger than the way he used it. You gotta know that with 4 or 5 players left and 4 of them have the same letter in their name, that's what you are going to get, and it isn't going to be helpful really. I would have done this. Dreamer. Sweetheart. Confirm these aren't bluffs.
Exactly, you should be naming good player roles, not evil player roles. Unlike the evil roles, the storyteller can't hem and haw and bluff about a role because you already know who has the role (or is lying).
God i can't stop laughing what have you done to me! But seriously, why is Jon still talking to Carley? Even when she starts good she somehow finds a way to become evil in every game that she can
Adam's first dream was SO important... A totally clueless Sully might very well have engaged Brooke just acting like the Imp talking with his minion, without any of the caution & wishy-washiness he ended up displaying. The evil team's strategy would have been entirely different. Just a THOROUGHLY different game, and it all hinged on a completely blind pick by Adam!
It effectively ruined the game is what it did. The teams were set up so poorly for the "lolz" and content that 1 out of 7 shot(barely more than rolling the number you want on a 6-sided dice. If an ability has a 15% chance of breaking the game and causing one team to be set up for failure from the start, then it is bad design. You can roll a standard die and if it comes up a 1, you lose. Thats not a good game. And I say this as someone who has loved every episode before this one. This one just felt lazy all around. Jon was the only one that seemed passionate at all. Evil knew they were screwed from the start and it was obvious by how Laurie and Brooke played with no heart.
Brooke could have easily gotten the information out of Sully without reveling her role. She made a huge mistake there by confirming grandmother immediately. Even saying "why are you asking, you already know" playfully. Then when he says no I really don't, play dumb and say, oh. I thought the grandchild also knows their grandmother. Or something. Knowing she was the widow could claim being posioned, and keep him thinking he was the demon if they didn't tell him she was the minion, which, they kind of have to, because Sully going to a good player and saying what's up my minion, and them going wait what? Instantly confirms lunatic anyway. This is assuming she didn't know the Adam thing happens. It's as easy as, "ok Sully, how do you want to do this". Let him open the conversation, and tell you his plan before he asks. If Brooke was able to get Sully to think he was the demon from the start, he may have second guessed Adam on night one. Played that Adam THOUGHT he was the Lunatic but since Brooke, his minion instantly confirmed him as the demon.... He would spend the entire game second guessing them both. At first I thought she could tell him he is drunk but he had the truth of lunatic or demon. Which is why I think the storytellers should have said a demon that wasn't in play, that way Brooke could have bluffed to Sully that he was poisoned or drunk. Then could hopefully throw even more chaos and hope that Sully tells Adam that he heard he might be the drunk causing Adam not to trust his info. Which... Lines up with the Outsider numbers Carley and Adam being outsiders and Sully convinced he is the demon. If you think there is a possibility you might be the demon, you play like you are the demon. Easy to say all this in hindsight of course. Also Carley confirming Widow, the Brooke instantly going to Angela and confirming her role should have been OK 50/50 Brooke is the Grandmother or Widow, and Angela should have nominated her immediately, with that as the reason. If I die, we lose us both. If she is already dead we only lose 1. OR she is the widow and we need to kill her anyway.
@@ladygeneveve3805 Yeah, *this* is what disappointed me. I was so ready for Sully to be like "Hello, my Widow. I am the Imp." I was so sad when it became a repeat "Who are you? Who are you?" Still a great watch, but still...
Because he knew he wasn't the demon any longer. It was clear as day with any thought. Adam knew he was the demon or the lunatic. If Sully was the actual demon he would have gotten "either the demon or(insert pretty much any other role here). Adam and Sully know the meta of their storytellers. There is no way in hell as the demon that Adam would have picked him and be told he's either the demon or the lunatic. So Adam knew immediately and Sully realized he was right and it all made sense, then confirmed it by talking to Brooke(who likely knew he was sounding too suspicious for her to be his minion. Either that or he knew he was the lunatic. Killing himself was a smart play. He knows that the demon gets told who he wants to kill if he is the lunatic. He saved someone else's life by trying to off himself. Laurie should have killed Adam like Brooke told him to. Instead he didn't realize that Sully knew he was the lunatic. But if he had thought about it he would have known that killing him was a bad play. There was no chance Sully would go the whole game thinking he was the demon. And there is zero reason to kill himself after Brooke died as he would have nobody to pass his demo ship off to. Evil was screwed from the getgo, but Laurie solidified it when he killed Sully off at his request.
He knew he wasn't the demon when he talked to Brooke and she said Grandmother. That's why Lunatics are so hard to convince, because their minion doesn't know they have to act like a minion and they're not going to come out and say "I'm the Widow" on the possibility that they're the fake minion. Lunatic works best in a meta where the demon and minions intentionally never talk to one another to avoid suspicion, which is not usually how this group plays. They get plenty of time for chatting and everyone usually checks in with everyone else.
The stat sheet might say he took an L, but we all know Laurie was the real winner. Or at least deserved to win. He played a hell of a game despite having virtually no luck/help from the very beginning. He may have no luck when it comes to winning (Not his fault) but he's proven he's one of the best BTC tower players on No Rolls Barred.
Brooke takes the L in this game. It's indefensible to look at that grim and poison anyone but the Dreamer. The Dreamer is the only one who gets good Night 1 info. The Balloonist takes at least two nights to have any info at all, and the Amnesiac usually needs a few nights to figure out his ability. You absolutely poison the Dreamer there and then tell your demon that he has to kill the Amnesiac or the Balloonist. The game fell apart from there. It was lucky that Adam happened to dream Sully, but it was only possible because of Brooke's mistake. She wasted her Widow poisoning pick.
Yeah, this was definitely Brooke's loss. She had the Grimoire but picked the Grandma (an easily killable role) instead of a role that wasn't one of the demon bluffs. She poisoned the Balloonist, a character that can easily be killed by the imp before they get enough information. Poisoning herself to hide the presence of a widow and prevent everyone from sharing their roles (I'm not sure what the other minions are here) or the dreamer would be much bigger. The storytellers and Laurie basically carried the evil team for the rest of the game, with Brooke being distrusted and largely ignored. She didn't have her hand up for Laurie, which signaled to the good team that it was in fact Laurie and undermined his defense.
Such a great episode, though I can't stress how disappointing it was that Adam picked Sully so we didn't get see Brooke and Sully work as a fake evil team. I really want a game with a lunatic who actually thinks they are the demon as well as a game with Brooke and Sully both on the evil team together
Therapist (Townsfolk): Each night, pick a player (not yourself). Visit the Storyteller the following day to learn what they think is most worrying that player. If you choose an evil player, you are drunk until Dusk. I think I might save that one. I quite like it, even though it's a meme.
It was also her fault that he TRULY pivoted in the first place. Although Adam had "convinced" Sully that Sully was the Lunatic, if Brooke HAD claimed to be his minion, Sullivan may have very well believed her over Adam.
The problem with that is, Brooke had no idea who Sully's minion could be. He already seemed like he was suspicious, if she acted like the minion when it turns out he had been assigned another minion, that would have been real suspicious
what? no it wasn't that was the nail in the coffin that convinced him to off himself. If she had hard said "I'm your minion" it could have convinced him that adam was wrong about which half of his info was correct.
@@bacontheshoe, she could have made an educated guess though and asked Sully what demon he was rather than give her role which is very unlike her. That would have made me suspicious straight away, if someone is normally cagey about full disclosure and then suddenly in one game they give it up, warning signs would be flashing in my head. x:x
Laurie did a really amazing defense. Only thing I would've pushed on harder was asking Isaac why he didn't pick either Fortune Teller or Dreamer to confirm he was sober to create a seed of doubt in Isaac's info. That is me being an arm chair demon, because I probably would've folded like an umbrella in Laurie's position.
From my personal experience, it's not necessarily harder for evil, but harder to balance as storyteller. I've also had small games where Good had almost no info (Baron + Recluse) and Evil had an easy win. And they tend to be more luck based, as one lucky pick with an important ability can decide the entire game.
@@patrickhohmeyer7416 I totally agree. Less characters in play = less options as a Storyteller. But then you get some absolutely epic plays from people that probably wouldn't work as well in larger games.
I managed to win as the imp in a smaller game despite my minion not knowing who I was and poisoning me on the second night purely by the monk revealing to me on day 3 he was the monk and was protecting me and continued to protect me. It helps that I kept the monk alive until the final day, which was a gamble since I wasn't sure he was telling the truth. The lack of confessed monk death basically allowed me to go "{player} claimed monk to me last night if I was the demon monk is a gauranteed kill since they can't protect themselves" turning the game in my favour.
Laurie's world is this: Sully was the Imp, Adam was the Widow and Adam and Sully made a theatre about Sully being the Lunatic with Sully topping himself that night and jumping to Adam. Meanwhile Isaac has been the drunk which explains the two outsiders, and Laurie was the one drunked by Carley. Everything checks out.
Two problems with this world: Angela saw both Carley and Isaac after Sully died, which means they both could not have been outsiders. Also Jon would have gotten Brooke's grandmother ability, also after Sully was dead, and could not have gotten Adam.
I mean, Laurie did his best to hold out and hide for that long. He was basically screwed by Adam’s night one Hail Mary on Sully that really put a dent in Ben’s ability to confuse the town with false info.
Evil could still have salvaged the situation if Brooke had played along and not just come out as grandmother she should have realized she was probably given as Sullys minion from hiw he was acting
@@dibils Oh gods no. If Brooke had come out to Sully as his minion right after Adam told him what was obvious from the meta, it would have been immediately clear she was a baddie. It took them a couple days to ferret out enough evidence that everyone knew she was one of the bad guys. The game would have over much quicker if they knew without question on day one that she was the minion.
@@RavenGlenn Not really. Most of them thought that Brooke was the widow when they killed her. Carley's "grandma is a great bluff for the widow" argument got everyone on board without any actual evidence.
I know everyone knows carley is absolutely amazing at this game, and adam is also really good, but even before this game, i have though Lourey was one of the best players in this game, he just hasnt gotten the recnognition he deserves because he is less vocal and often gets talked over when he is vocal because compared to everyone elses booming voices he is less commanding. Im happy Laurrie got his chance to speak uninterrupted at the end of this video to highlight how good he really is. my biggest pet peeve in this game is people getting talked over and cut off, which leads to a lot of information not getting spread as accuretely as it needs to be to be important. and this not only happens to laurie the most but he himself almost never does it to someone else. Cheers laurie, I think you are a magnificent player and my favorite on these Clocktower videos
Watching this back for the second time, I'm realizing that Sully would have been SO confused if Brooke would have just played along as his minion. That conversation pivoted the entire game for evil.
man, feel bad for jon. he's always so incredibly passionate about these games that it really, really sucks for someone who's this invested to go down because of a mistake. but then again, that was a mistake one could be hanged on quite reasonably - if he was an evil player, he wouldn't have gotten the speech from ben, and so could have forgotten what the grandmother did more easily than if it was legit.
It's barely even a mistake. Adam was just out for blood. As Jon said, the "mistake" didn't make sense because an evil player would know everyone's role anyway because of the Widow, not to mention everyone announced their roles.
Holy shit, Adam worked Sully over so well, that was absolutely hilarious. Sully panicked inside for a second when Adam told him that he knew he was either Lunatic or Imp.
Such a tough game for the Evil team! I feel like Laurie did his absolute best and got a spiritual win in my books! He was pushed on hard from night 1 with meta gaming alone... not to mention his minion got killed night one and his lunatic got them self killed day 2. Really rough but he did amazing! GG Laurie!
Just want to say a massive thank you to the NRB team for the BOTC content. My partner and I were supposed to go on holiday this week, but after testing positive for coronavirus on our pre-flight tests and then getting symptoms, we’ve not really been able to do anything but watch a laptop screen from bed. We’ve always loved the collection starter videos, but with the legally-binding free time in our one bed flat, we’ve finally discovered your BOTC games and we are gripped. We are joining the London and UK BOTC groups to see if there’s a way we can play once we our isolation is over. Thanks so much for putting this stuff out there. It really feels like we are there with you. Also, a question for Tom. For the longest time, I’ve known I’d love to get into D&D, but I just don’t know where to begin - and the last thing I want to do is annoy a seasoned group of players by being an irritating beginner. Do you have any advice? Are there any groups or recordings you would suggest watching or resources to read before approaching a group? All the love, Holly
Hey Holly, I'm sorry you didn't get any replies regarding d&d. Idk if you joined a group yet or not, but I'd suggest going to reddit or Facebook and finding a d&d group for your area. You can ask questions there. Most players are welcoming to newcomers.
Genuinely just created a UA-cam channel so I could ask whether this is THE Holly from other botc games... I need to step away from the botc binge watch 😅
@@t6681 it is indeed back when I was a little fangirl from my old and very secret UA-cam channel! I have another channel for gaming stuff which is called @hollylikesgames ❤️ thanks for the love T 💚💚💚
@@hollymusgraveful very sweet! Love your music too. I've sadly just moved away from London to Scotland but if you do a Scotland gig/open mic I'd be keen on coming along ☺️
@@OhNoItsRez thank you Simon ❤️ in the end I’ve found a couple of groups! One purely for D&D and the other for other kinds of RPG one-shots! Thank you for your help!
I've been binging these in order over the last week, and I wish the Outsiders were color coded or Iconed to be outsiders. I can be hard to remember what abilities are outsider realitive to just awkward townsfolk
Yes! I've watched all of them now, and at this point I know, but I really don't understand why there is no visual difference between townsfolk and outsiders (or demons and minions for that matter). It would be such a small and easy thing to do...
Now with the official app it'd be hard to do because colors mark alignments, not character types. If you have an evil townsfolk or outsider, they can be painted red
I've seen many homebrew scripts label Outsiders with more turquoise-ish icons as opposed to the dark blue Townsfolk, and Minions with orange as opposed to the red Demons. I wish the official icons were also that way.
I'm actually annoyed at that ending, I wanted Laurie to win there but Sullivan the BEST PLAYER in BOTC wins again. God it's like he's playing on a different level, everyone is so lucky to have him.
Yeah, yeah, Carley may look like a sweetheart with her patterned dress & lovely hair & shining smile, but regular viewers will know her heart is not sweet, but steel - it ticks like the cold & soulless mechanical cogs of a clock! A clock on a tower! A tower with blood on it!
Spoilers… God damn poor Laurie. It’s honestly impressive he made it to the end. He gets so unlucky with other players choices. I like Jon but I didn’t feel bad for him at all. Laurie has been thrown under the bus so many times and hasn’t let him effect him to that degree. Angela deserves a shout out. I think she slips through the cracks but she may be one of the most underrated players here.
Well, Brooke failed to play the lunatic off as the imp by saying she was a grandmother when she knew he was the lunatic. Isaac goofed by choosing to ask about Imp a second time. All the roles were out there, so since he knew he was unlikely to gain any more information about the Imp, if he'd selected Balloonist, Dreamer, or Fortune Teller, the information he would gain would have been more valuable. It would basically confirm or deny whether a player was lying about their role. Given all roles were announced, then a fake role would get an instant conviction.
Knowing now that they don't have cameras, just voice, was such a trip to hear. Seems like this is a game were you would really want to have them on? Wonder why they can't.
LAURIE: Because we use Discord voice channels for everyone to have private conversations, if we had video on we could see who was talking to Ben and Tom during the night meaning you could work out who the demon was.
I am so glad they repeated "get on butt" at the end because I split watching this over the course of an entire day so by the time I reached the end I had completely forgotten that that was at the beginning due to getting absorbed in the game itself
Another great game! Please keep on making these, they are always different and always great entertainment. I felt so sorry for Laurie here, he played a great game but was up against it from pure blind luck on night one and with the great game minds working against him of Adam, Isaac and Carley (who is so good at this game it is genuinely terrifying) he didnt really stand much of a chance. Superb stuff, roll on the next one!!
Bouncing off @The Rabbit's idea, there should be a Therapist character inspired by Adam: Therapist: during the day, if a player confides in the Therapist their role truthfully, they (other player) cannot be killed by the demon on the following night.
I think the lunatic role is just kind of shit. Without the poppy grower you just immediately figure it out on day 1 when your minions don't respond to you.
Totally. They should give him the name of one minion,the actual minion and thats it. It never works when they give a false name as the non minion has no idea what te lunatic is talking about. Its kind really poorly thought
Bit sad that Isaac didnt give Carley any credit or kudos for helping with the amnesian clues. It wasnt THAT hard but Carley definitely gave him the pivotal suggestion to try Widow which lead to the breakthrough.
Isaac's amnesiac ability could have been used much better by excluding roles others have claimed. If he suspected laurie, ask the letter of the fortune teller.
The Balloonist is the only good character that can create some ambiguity in the outsider count so it finds its way into a lot of custom scripts, but it never disappoints. In my opinion, the best experimental character created to date
It's all on Jon for that fuck up. Drunk, Poisoned or Sober he would have been told a player and a role. Claiming not to have been given a role, it is much more likely he had forgotten how the Grandmother character worked than he had forgotten the information he was given. They were 100% right to execute him.
Honestly Hallelujah!!! So I'm fairly new to botc. This is like the 12th vdeo I've watched and I genuinely worried it was impossible for good to win. But I love the excitement of not knowing who will win. Thanks for all involved :)
I know Jon was super salty about the way things played out with the mistake, but it wasn't as stupid a choice as he made the towns call out to be. Laurie had placed some sus on him with the fortune teller bluff, and with his mistake compounding it, there wasn't really a better option.
Unfortunately I think Brooke realized very quickly that she was screwed. Sully knew more than he should have and it was clear by the way he was acting. From there, she was killed off on night one and couldn't stop it without looking evil. And she made no attempt at all for the rest of the game to add misdirection or defend herself. She should have(and I think in any other game of it they have played she would have) immediately jumped on when Sully admitted he was the lunatic and checked with his "minion" who had no idea what he was talking about. Since everyone believed she IS the minion, she could have easily steered it away by saying: "To be clear, Sully visited me and I was really confused by his questioning. Apparently he thought I was his minion. If you all think I am the widow, then why wouldn't I go along with it since I would have known he was the lunatic?" That would have had everyone doubting and may have helped out Laurie some. Even still I think evil was completely screwed the moment Adam picked Sully and realized the meta of the storytellers.
They actually all hard claimed honestly (minus those who were evil or thought they were). That honesty out there made that game insanely hard for the evil team. They had perfect info which was suppose to be an advantage but Adam gave it to everyone. Day one the game was over but Laurie did what he does best and played an outstanding game. Carley gets a lot of credit for being insane at this game which she is... but Laurie is her rival more than Adam.
Agreed. The game was over before it started and the only reason it took so long for good to win was because they kept doubting that the game should be that easy for them. But it was. The game and the storytellers put everything in goods favor and then couldn't help them because they didn't put any ways to help in the initial setup. The moment Adam made his lucky choice(which wasn't as astounding as some people seem to think...it was a 1 in 7 chance and Adam is generally biased to certain people like Sully so it was probably even a greater chance than that) the evil team was fucked and the storytellers had nowhere to go either. It was a poorly setup game that screwed the evil team. Not a single lucky choice. The storytellers HAVE to stop building teams for the lolz and actually have it be random. Either that or carefully pick classes but do so differently than how they would. Sully being the lunatic writes itself. Anyone else besides him or Adam and it likely would have been a lot more fun. Having his minion be his wife as well? Clearly done for the content. That isnt how the game is meant to be played. Players shouldn't be able to make educated guesses based on what their storytellers would do. Bit they have clearly been able to for the past bunch of games.
@@RavenGlenn Out of curiosity, what would you have suggested we do differently? I'm always looking to improve as a GM across various systems, so I'd love to hear about anything you might have noticed. Keep in mind that the roles are assigned randomly, as they should be, so I can't really go handing people roles.
@@bennburns honestly Ben I don’t think there was anything you could have done. The way the rules play and the characters in play work your hands were tied. The one thing you could have done would have made Isaacs power less impactful but that is unfair to Isaac. Would you have ever imagined that everyone would honestly hard claim publicly? That put you and Tom in such a bad position. Your ability to help the evil team was handicapped. Any lies or misinformation you try to lay out would feel that way instead of feeling honest. And a personal meta is impossible to not develop when you play with the same people so many times even if people are trying to ignore it there are unconsciously biased to certain thoughts. This is like when Blair and Isaac lost so quick. There was really bad luck and a few key decisions made by the players that the story tellers could not control. I like that you are trying improve but I personally feel this game was out of your hands. Ps I feel my custom script was not picked for the contest which is very ok. I am just looking for feedback if you have time to provide .
Oh, the chaos. The chaos. How delightful. Very fun game, everyone, though I think it may have went quite differently had Sock Puppet Sully showed up to play.
I think I’d like to see Issac’s amnesia power as a real role Like The school teacher Maybe nerf it a little Like you can only guess any role once Or something like that
Laurie is THE unluckiest player in this nrb series. when he's on the good side others nominate him just for fun and when he defends himself they just find it funny and go on executing him anyway and every time I've seen him in evil team, good players all of a sudden miraculously make the perfect choices: the dreamer takes out the lunatic on night 1, the amnesiac fully trusts the outsider and figures out his crucial ability which gives away the demon's name on day #2.
He really puts his all while playing. It's nice to see someone getting so involved. He is a great player as well, he has improved a lot since he began. But genuinely felt bad for him today.
After today, I’m not sure if this game is right for him. I think he was genuinely upset about being executed, and he should know many times over that that sometimes just happens.
ADAM: For those asking, here's a link to the CATFISHING script: imgur.com/a/C0FL41P
Would love to see an all female cast for a BOTC episode - Carly, Brooke, Issa, Rosie, Angela, Blair, and whomever else guested on NRB in the past!!!
@@nanyubusnis9397 ah yes, lets have them play worse for content. Love that.
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Although this was great, I'm so sad for the game we didn't get. I really wanted to see a proper lunatic that doesn't immediately know they are a lunatic. Sully as a lunatic was perfect casting. Especially with Brooke as the minion to play off of him. Would have really enjoyed seeing that game.
Yeah it really hurt the game by Adam guessing Sully and choosing to just go straight to Sully to tell him he is the lunatic. Adam played the meta and knew that the game runners would do that to him. And with his lucky guess it was the only possible chance. If he wasn't the lunatic he would have been told a different role for sure so it was clear as day he was the lunatic.
The storytellers need to stop doing the most obvious things they can for content because the players know thats what they are doing. The games are getting progressively easier for the good team to figure things out.
I think Sully would have realized when Brooke didn’t rise to the ‘and what are you?’ question anyway. If your minion starts with ‘I’m the grandmother’, there’s a problem.
Yes! Me too!
A great way to make that sort of game, and you can tweak this to fit the level of experience of the player:
*1)* Show them the Demon as a Minion as well as at least one of the actual Minion(s). Yes, this is risky, but here's the key thing: the Demon knows that the person is the Lunatic and can very easily bluff as a Minion and string them along. This can also heavily help the evil team if the Lunatic is the type of person to think their "Minions" are likely good players.
*2)* Don't show them any in-play characters or Demon bluffs. (This is something Ben has been doing every time. It's up to each ST how they run, of course, but I like to give the average player one in-play character, one Demon bluff, and one solid bluff in no particular order. Usually the in-play one is a character that wouldn't want to out their role, like an Outsider.)
*3)* Show them falsely that they have a Lunatic. This is something you can do, but you really shouldn't do it unless the player is experienced enough to realize that you can do it. (I personally don't think Ben should've done that with these players have only been in maybe 4 games that could have it, including this one, unless they had their own outside experience.)
*4)* Wake them as early as possible. This is very ST dependent. A good ST, imo, will never be consistent about how long time passes in the night before someone is woken (and adds extra time at the end). I personally like to take a moment at the start of every night to work out my plans and assess the situation while walking around and stopping randomly. The night order should be Minion info then Demon info right after, so if they wake after a short while in the night, they'll likely believe it.
It's incredibly rare to have a game where Lunatic goes all game thinking they're the Demon. The idea of Lunatic is you give them a chance that they'll go part of the game sure they're Demon and at some point figure it out and try to convince town.
@@RavenGlenn you do know the people that have the roles are random right? Just like the good twin or the fake minions are chosen by the storytellers
I almost thought that Issac was about to find the hidden part of his ability. He could ask about Fortune Teller and find out that it doesn't exist. You can get beat up by a Drunk but it's such a powerful way to play the ability to find out that Fortune Teller isn't in the game.
Damn. I thought I was the only one that was thinking this. He could be asking about claims and confirming people..
That's would have been way stronger than the way he used it. You gotta know that with 4 or 5 players left and 4 of them have the same letter in their name, that's what you are going to get, and it isn't going to be helpful really. I would have done this. Dreamer. Sweetheart. Confirm these aren't bluffs.
Exactly, you should be naming good player roles, not evil player roles. Unlike the evil roles, the storyteller can't hem and haw and bluff about a role because you already know who has the role (or is lying).
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Carley: Jon, its 4:00 PM time for your monthly gaslighting
Jon: Yes Carley
God i can't stop laughing what have you done to me!
But seriously, why is Jon still talking to Carley? Even when she starts good she somehow finds a way to become evil in every game that she can
One of these days we'll get a proper Lunatic game. I CANNOT wait.
Probably in a poppy-grower/lunatic script.
I hear that me too! A real lunatic would be awesome!
To be fair, when Adam was the Lunatic, he sure acted like one. 😂
Adam's first dream was SO important... A totally clueless Sully might very well have engaged Brooke just acting like the Imp talking with his minion, without any of the caution & wishy-washiness he ended up displaying. The evil team's strategy would have been entirely different. Just a THOROUGHLY different game, and it all hinged on a completely blind pick by Adam!
It’s funny but as a person watching people play a game like this, an accidental shot or a blind shot hits its mark and breaks the game wide open.
It effectively ruined the game is what it did. The teams were set up so poorly for the "lolz" and content that 1 out of 7 shot(barely more than rolling the number you want on a 6-sided dice.
If an ability has a 15% chance of breaking the game and causing one team to be set up for failure from the start, then it is bad design. You can roll a standard die and if it comes up a 1, you lose. Thats not a good game.
And I say this as someone who has loved every episode before this one. This one just felt lazy all around. Jon was the only one that seemed passionate at all.
Evil knew they were screwed from the start and it was obvious by how Laurie and Brooke played with no heart.
Brooke could have easily gotten the information out of Sully without reveling her role. She made a huge mistake there by confirming grandmother immediately. Even saying "why are you asking, you already know" playfully. Then when he says no I really don't, play dumb and say, oh. I thought the grandchild also knows their grandmother. Or something. Knowing she was the widow could claim being posioned, and keep him thinking he was the demon if they didn't tell him she was the minion, which, they kind of have to, because Sully going to a good player and saying what's up my minion, and them going wait what? Instantly confirms lunatic anyway. This is assuming she didn't know the Adam thing happens.
It's as easy as, "ok Sully, how do you want to do this". Let him open the conversation, and tell you his plan before he asks. If Brooke was able to get Sully to think he was the demon from the start, he may have second guessed Adam on night one. Played that Adam THOUGHT he was the Lunatic but since Brooke, his minion instantly confirmed him as the demon.... He would spend the entire game second guessing them both. At first I thought she could tell him he is drunk but he had the truth of lunatic or demon. Which is why I think the storytellers should have said a demon that wasn't in play, that way Brooke could have bluffed to Sully that he was poisoned or drunk. Then could hopefully throw even more chaos and hope that Sully tells Adam that he heard he might be the drunk causing Adam not to trust his info. Which... Lines up with the Outsider numbers Carley and Adam being outsiders and Sully convinced he is the demon.
If you think there is a possibility you might be the demon, you play like you are the demon.
Easy to say all this in hindsight of course.
Also Carley confirming Widow, the Brooke instantly going to Angela and confirming her role should have been OK 50/50 Brooke is the Grandmother or Widow, and Angela should have nominated her immediately, with that as the reason. If I die, we lose us both. If she is already dead we only lose 1. OR she is the widow and we need to kill her anyway.
@@RavenGlenn how were the teams set up? The roles are random
@@thewriter8762 a lunatic knowing they are the lunatic doesn't "break the game" in the slightest
Laurie's final defense was great. Actually feel bad evil lost, they were up against it from the start. Great game!
“BALD MAN KILLS COLLEAGUES” about to become a reality. Get em, Laurie.
I can't express how disappointed I was when Adam picked Sully as his first.
Honestly it still could have been fun if Sully played Brooke to revealing herself
@@ladygeneveve3805 Yeah, *this* is what disappointed me. I was so ready for Sully to be like "Hello, my Widow. I am the Imp." I was so sad when it became a repeat "Who are you? Who are you?" Still a great watch, but still...
@@kyleb8117 The classic "Are you evil?" was still quite funny, given that Sully wasn't completely sure at that point.
@@Benjamin-mq6hu For sure.
Adam ruined what could’ve been the greatest moment we’ve ever seen with him and Brooke
I’m amused that Sully thought “oh well if I’m actually the Imp, I’ll just kill myself and star pass!” when _his supposed minion is dead_ 😂
Because he knew he wasn't the demon any longer. It was clear as day with any thought. Adam knew he was the demon or the lunatic. If Sully was the actual demon he would have gotten "either the demon or(insert pretty much any other role here).
Adam and Sully know the meta of their storytellers. There is no way in hell as the demon that Adam would have picked him and be told he's either the demon or the lunatic.
So Adam knew immediately and Sully realized he was right and it all made sense, then confirmed it by talking to Brooke(who likely knew he was sounding too suspicious for her to be his minion. Either that or he knew he was the lunatic.
Killing himself was a smart play. He knows that the demon gets told who he wants to kill if he is the lunatic. He saved someone else's life by trying to off himself. Laurie should have killed Adam like Brooke told him to.
Instead he didn't realize that Sully knew he was the lunatic. But if he had thought about it he would have known that killing him was a bad play. There was no chance Sully would go the whole game thinking he was the demon. And there is zero reason to kill himself after Brooke died as he would have nobody to pass his demo ship off to.
Evil was screwed from the getgo, but Laurie solidified it when he killed Sully off at his request.
He knew he wasn't the demon when he talked to Brooke and she said Grandmother. That's why Lunatics are so hard to convince, because their minion doesn't know they have to act like a minion and they're not going to come out and say "I'm the Widow" on the possibility that they're the fake minion. Lunatic works best in a meta where the demon and minions intentionally never talk to one another to avoid suspicion, which is not usually how this group plays. They get plenty of time for chatting and everyone usually checks in with everyone else.
The stat sheet might say he took an L, but we all know Laurie was the real winner. Or at least deserved to win. He played a hell of a game despite having virtually no luck/help from the very beginning. He may have no luck when it comes to winning (Not his fault) but he's proven he's one of the best BTC tower players on No Rolls Barred.
He’s a good player, but he did have all the grimoire info night 1. Much easier at that point
Brooke takes the L in this game. It's indefensible to look at that grim and poison anyone but the Dreamer. The Dreamer is the only one who gets good Night 1 info. The Balloonist takes at least two nights to have any info at all, and the Amnesiac usually needs a few nights to figure out his ability. You absolutely poison the Dreamer there and then tell your demon that he has to kill the Amnesiac or the Balloonist.
The game fell apart from there. It was lucky that Adam happened to dream Sully, but it was only possible because of Brooke's mistake. She wasted her Widow poisoning pick.
Yeah, this was definitely Brooke's loss.
She had the Grimoire but picked the Grandma (an easily killable role) instead of a role that wasn't one of the demon bluffs.
She poisoned the Balloonist, a character that can easily be killed by the imp before they get enough information. Poisoning herself to hide the presence of a widow and prevent everyone from sharing their roles (I'm not sure what the other minions are here) or the dreamer would be much bigger.
The storytellers and Laurie basically carried the evil team for the rest of the game, with Brooke being distrusted and largely ignored.
She didn't have her hand up for Laurie, which signaled to the good team that it was in fact Laurie and undermined his defense.
The most important takeaway from this: Brooke's impression of Sully is a lot better than Sully's impression of Brooke.
Such a great episode, though I can't stress how disappointing it was that Adam picked Sully so we didn't get see Brooke and Sully work as a fake evil team. I really want a game with a lunatic who actually thinks they are the demon as well as a game with Brooke and Sully both on the evil team together
Laurie's laugh when he learned Sullivan was the Lunatic... was almost exactly like mine when I saw it.
Laurie really shines in this game, and damn someone should make a therapist class for Adam.
Laurie really is quite a shiny guy
Therapist (Townsfolk): Each night, pick a player (not yourself). Visit the Storyteller the following day to learn what they think is most worrying that player. If you choose an evil player, you are drunk until Dusk.
I think I might save that one. I quite like it, even though it's a meme.
Brooke realizing that Sullivan knows he's a lunatic was an amazing pivot on her behalf
It was also her fault that he TRULY pivoted in the first place. Although Adam had "convinced" Sully that Sully was the Lunatic, if Brooke HAD claimed to be his minion, Sullivan may have very well believed her over Adam.
The problem with that is, Brooke had no idea who Sully's minion could be. He already seemed like he was suspicious, if she acted like the minion when it turns out he had been assigned another minion, that would have been real suspicious
what? no it wasn't that was the nail in the coffin that convinced him to off himself. If she had hard said "I'm your minion" it could have convinced him that adam was wrong about which half of his info was correct.
@@VivBrodockyes, but Brooke didn't know sully thought she was the minion- it could have been anyone.
@@bacontheshoe, she could have made an educated guess though and asked Sully what demon he was rather than give her role which is very unlike her. That would have made me suspicious straight away, if someone is normally cagey about full disclosure and then suddenly in one game they give it up, warning signs would be flashing in my head. x:x
Laurie did a really amazing defense. Only thing I would've pushed on harder was asking Isaac why he didn't pick either Fortune Teller or Dreamer to confirm he was sober to create a seed of doubt in Isaac's info. That is me being an arm chair demon, because I probably would've folded like an umbrella in Laurie's position.
I feel that in smaller games like this, it's a lot harder to be evil. There are just far fewer places to hide.
From my personal experience, it's not necessarily harder for evil, but harder to balance as storyteller. I've also had small games where Good had almost no info (Baron + Recluse) and Evil had an easy win. And they tend to be more luck based, as one lucky pick with an important ability can decide the entire game.
@@patrickhohmeyer7416 I totally agree. Less characters in play = less options as a Storyteller. But then you get some absolutely epic plays from people that probably wouldn't work as well in larger games.
I managed to win as the imp in a smaller game despite my minion not knowing who I was and poisoning me on the second night purely by the monk revealing to me on day 3 he was the monk and was protecting me and continued to protect me. It helps that I kept the monk alive until the final day, which was a gamble since I wasn't sure he was telling the truth. The lack of confessed monk death basically allowed me to go "{player} claimed monk to me last night if I was the demon monk is a gauranteed kill since they can't protect themselves" turning the game in my favour.
Adam: "I hate to hang a man on a mistake..." *convinces everyone to hang a man on a mistake*
Jon makes so many mistakes. He deserves to hang for them every once in a while.
Laurie had one of the best demon defenses I’ve ever seen in the final three
It was such a losing battle with Isaac already having Amnesiac “L” info and he STILL almost convinced Isaac.
Laurie's world is this: Sully was the Imp, Adam was the Widow and Adam and Sully made a theatre about Sully being the Lunatic with Sully topping himself that night and jumping to Adam. Meanwhile Isaac has been the drunk which explains the two outsiders, and Laurie was the one drunked by Carley. Everything checks out.
Two problems with this world: Angela saw both Carley and Isaac after Sully died, which means they both could not have been outsiders. Also Jon would have gotten Brooke's grandmother ability, also after Sully was dead, and could not have gotten Adam.
I mean, Laurie did his best to hold out and hide for that long. He was basically screwed by Adam’s night one Hail Mary on Sully that really put a dent in Ben’s ability to confuse the town with false info.
Evil could still have salvaged the situation if Brooke had played along and not just come out as grandmother
she should have realized she was probably given as Sullys minion from hiw he was acting
@@dibils Oh gods no. If Brooke had come out to Sully as his minion right after Adam told him what was obvious from the meta, it would have been immediately clear she was a baddie.
It took them a couple days to ferret out enough evidence that everyone knew she was one of the bad guys. The game would have over much quicker if they knew without question on day one that she was the minion.
@@RavenGlenn Not really. Most of them thought that Brooke was the widow when they killed her. Carley's "grandma is a great bluff for the widow" argument got everyone on board without any actual evidence.
I know everyone knows carley is absolutely amazing at this game, and adam is also really good, but even before this game, i have though Lourey was one of the best players in this game, he just hasnt gotten the recnognition he deserves because he is less vocal and often gets talked over when he is vocal because compared to everyone elses booming voices he is less commanding. Im happy Laurrie got his chance to speak uninterrupted at the end of this video to highlight how good he really is. my biggest pet peeve in this game is people getting talked over and cut off, which leads to a lot of information not getting spread as accuretely as it needs to be to be important. and this not only happens to laurie the most but he himself almost never does it to someone else. Cheers laurie, I think you are a magnificent player and my favorite on these Clocktower videos
Watching this back for the second time, I'm realizing that Sully would have been SO confused if Brooke would have just played along as his minion. That conversation pivoted the entire game for evil.
man, feel bad for jon. he's always so incredibly passionate about these games that it really, really sucks for someone who's this invested to go down because of a mistake. but then again, that was a mistake one could be hanged on quite reasonably - if he was an evil player, he wouldn't have gotten the speech from ben, and so could have forgotten what the grandmother did more easily than if it was legit.
I feel sorry for Jon. He finally learns not to trust Carley (Who was entirely trustworthy this game) and gets hung (literally) on the tiniest mistake.
It's barely even a mistake. Adam was just out for blood. As Jon said, the "mistake" didn't make sense because an evil player would know everyone's role anyway because of the Widow, not to mention everyone announced their roles.
But his mistake made it look like he doesn't know what happens when you're the dreamer. Which makes it seem like a lie that he was the Cannibal
@@TBLIVIN you mean when you're the Grandmother
Holy shit, Adam worked Sully over so well, that was absolutely hilarious. Sully panicked inside for a second when Adam told him that he knew he was either Lunatic or Imp.
That was probably the best part of this episode
Such a tough game for the Evil team! I feel like Laurie did his absolute best and got a spiritual win in my books! He was pushed on hard from night 1 with meta gaming alone... not to mention his minion got killed night one and his lunatic got them self killed day 2. Really rough but he did amazing! GG Laurie!
Just want to say a massive thank you to the NRB team for the BOTC content. My partner and I were supposed to go on holiday this week, but after testing positive for coronavirus on our pre-flight tests and then getting symptoms, we’ve not really been able to do anything but watch a laptop screen from bed. We’ve always loved the collection starter videos, but with the legally-binding free time in our one bed flat, we’ve finally discovered your BOTC games and we are gripped. We are joining the London and UK BOTC groups to see if there’s a way we can play once we our isolation is over. Thanks so much for putting this stuff out there. It really feels like we are there with you.
Also, a question for Tom. For the longest time, I’ve known I’d love to get into D&D, but I just don’t know where to begin - and the last thing I want to do is annoy a seasoned group of players by being an irritating beginner. Do you have any advice? Are there any groups or recordings you would suggest watching or resources to read before approaching a group?
All the love,
Holly
Hey Holly, I'm sorry you didn't get any replies regarding d&d. Idk if you joined a group yet or not, but I'd suggest going to reddit or Facebook and finding a d&d group for your area. You can ask questions there. Most players are welcoming to newcomers.
Genuinely just created a UA-cam channel so I could ask whether this is THE Holly from other botc games... I need to step away from the botc binge watch 😅
@@t6681 it is indeed back when I was a little fangirl from my old and very secret UA-cam channel! I have another channel for gaming stuff which is called @hollylikesgames ❤️ thanks for the love T 💚💚💚
@@hollymusgraveful very sweet! Love your music too. I've sadly just moved away from London to Scotland but if you do a Scotland gig/open mic I'd be keen on coming along ☺️
@@OhNoItsRez thank you Simon ❤️ in the end I’ve found a couple of groups! One purely for D&D and the other for other kinds of RPG one-shots! Thank you for your help!
Night 1 phase literally just ended and Sully already looks stressed in disheveled. This will be a good one
@@nicolai9595I was really hoping for it too! if only Brooke or Laurie got to Sully first
*Spoilers*
I was so looking forward to Brooke snowing Sully. Ah, what could have been.
Jon FINALLY didn't trust Carly but she was actually telling the truth this time....this ongoing story is pretty captivating
I've been binging these in order over the last week, and I wish the Outsiders were color coded or Iconed to be outsiders. I can be hard to remember what abilities are outsider realitive to just awkward townsfolk
Yes! I've watched all of them now, and at this point I know, but I really don't understand why there is no visual difference between townsfolk and outsiders (or demons and minions for that matter). It would be such a small and easy thing to do...
Now with the official app it'd be hard to do because colors mark alignments, not character types. If you have an evil townsfolk or outsider, they can be painted red
I've seen many homebrew scripts label Outsiders with more turquoise-ish icons as opposed to the dark blue Townsfolk, and Minions with orange as opposed to the red Demons. I wish the official icons were also that way.
Man bad feels for Laurie. He needs his redemption arc now.
"Should we all just hard claim?"
It's a bold strategy Cotton, let's see if it pays off for them.
Laurie went down swinging like a champion. Hell, I was almost convinced. Terrifying stuff, the absolute sociopath.
I'm actually annoyed at that ending, I wanted Laurie to win there but Sullivan the BEST PLAYER in BOTC wins again. God it's like he's playing on a different level, everyone is so lucky to have him.
Well, they got the perfect time for an ad break to build suspense:
Adam: "Hello, Sullivan." [Ad]
Also, hot damn, Laurie, that's an amazing final set of plays there. I think you're one of the best Demon players in the circle.
Lunatic Sully.
*Maniacal Laughter Intensifies*
I just finished binging this entire playlist so I'm so excited for this f***ing episode! Time to get Catfished!
Instant click. Instant like. This is my favorite series on UA-cam.
Yeah, yeah, Carley may look like a sweetheart with her patterned dress & lovely hair & shining smile, but regular viewers will know her heart is not sweet, but steel - it ticks like the cold & soulless mechanical cogs of a clock!
A clock on a tower!
A tower with blood on it!
Spoilers…
God damn poor Laurie. It’s honestly impressive he made it to the end. He gets so unlucky with other players choices. I like Jon but I didn’t feel bad for him at all. Laurie has been thrown under the bus so many times and hasn’t let him effect him to that degree. Angela deserves a shout out. I think she slips through the cracks but she may be one of the most underrated players here.
@@ciaranmcguinness8900 but she didn't?
Well, Brooke failed to play the lunatic off as the imp by saying she was a grandmother when she knew he was the lunatic. Isaac goofed by choosing to ask about Imp a second time. All the roles were out there, so since he knew he was unlikely to gain any more information about the Imp, if he'd selected Balloonist, Dreamer, or Fortune Teller, the information he would gain would have been more valuable. It would basically confirm or deny whether a player was lying about their role. Given all roles were announced, then a fake role would get an instant conviction.
Sullivan the Lunatic joining the ranks of Ollie the Virgin in, "...but what about in the game?" humor
With a cannibal, lunatic, and an amnesiac in play, I can only assume this episode takes place in a mental hospital.
Not even a minute in and I'm already losing it with all the bleeps, I love these guys
Of course that Carley is the sweetheart, she has her own amazing UA-cam channel. Plus she is amazing tricking people, like Jon. Always Jon.
Tbh She just talks more than the other players and knows the game more than anyone, it’s not really tricking
THe second your minon starts being cagey about their role. Is the second you know your a lunatic.
Knowing now that they don't have cameras, just voice, was such a trip to hear. Seems like this is a game were you would really want to have them on? Wonder why they can't.
LAURIE: Because we use Discord voice channels for everyone to have private conversations, if we had video on we could see who was talking to Ben and Tom during the night meaning you could work out who the demon was.
I am so glad they repeated "get on butt" at the end because I split watching this over the course of an entire day so by the time I reached the end I had completely forgotten that that was at the beginning due to getting absorbed in the game itself
I only have eyes for the wedding ring on Jon's finger :) Congrats!!
The most consistent thing I've noticed about all of this is that the storyteller has the most work to do but Ben is definitely having the most fun.
Another great game! Please keep on making these, they are always different and always great entertainment. I felt so sorry for Laurie here, he played a great game but was up against it from pure blind luck on night one and with the great game minds working against him of Adam, Isaac and Carley (who is so good at this game it is genuinely terrifying) he didnt really stand much of a chance. Superb stuff, roll on the next one!!
„Monthly dose of gas“ killed me
I was fully expecting this to be a squash of a game but Laurie, despite everything, played a blinder
I dream of a world where Sully was the imp, and the storytellers manipulated Adam into making Sully believe he's a lunatic.
I love Adam having an intervention for Sully
I love the thumbnails for these videos, and can’t wait to see what you guys will come up with when we have a Legion game.
Bouncing off @The Rabbit's idea, there should be a Therapist character inspired by Adam:
Therapist: during the day, if a player confides in the Therapist their role truthfully, they (other player) cannot be killed by the demon on the following night.
Brooke: "I am, of course... The grandmother"
The entire community: "Welp."
What on earth was Adam thinking robbing us of this most delicious lunatic content? An extremely poor play in the UA-cam meta
42:56 - 43:03 with Brooke’s eyes at the end is a top 10 moment.
I think the lunatic role is just kind of shit. Without the poppy grower you just immediately figure it out on day 1 when your minions don't respond to you.
Totally. They should give him the name of one minion,the actual minion and thats it. It never works when they give a false name as the non minion has no idea what te lunatic is talking about.
Its kind really poorly thought
This game is just Adam being the most supportive friend to his insane pal Sully and his paranoid buddy Jon 😂
Bit sad that Isaac didnt give Carley any credit or kudos for helping with the amnesian clues. It wasnt THAT hard but Carley definitely gave him the pivotal suggestion to try Widow which lead to the breakthrough.
1:11:51....lost my shit over Issac's conundrum of "e"
not gonna lie I can watch NRB play clocktower all day long
Only a minute in and it's already fantastic. XD
This was great. Evil was put in such a bad spot and Laurie really did a fantastic job
Are we getting Mad King Sully Kingston?
Jon working himself into a shoot was hilarious
Isaac's amnesiac ability could have been used much better by excluding roles others have claimed. If he suspected laurie, ask the letter of the fortune teller.
It’s a pity Tom’s not playing. He could have gone back to his cannibal schtick from the Werewolf video.
He's a player in one of the Patreon exclusive games ;)
Oh Adam! Such a killjoy with the Sullivan pick
What a lovely escape from the news. Thanks folks xx
The Balloonist is the only good character that can create some ambiguity in the outsider count so it finds its way into a lot of custom scripts, but it never disappoints.
In my opinion, the best experimental character created to date
It's all on Jon for that fuck up. Drunk, Poisoned or Sober he would have been told a player and a role. Claiming not to have been given a role, it is much more likely he had forgotten how the Grandmother character worked than he had forgotten the information he was given. They were 100% right to execute him.
Honestly Hallelujah!!! So I'm fairly new to botc. This is like the 12th vdeo I've watched and I genuinely worried it was impossible for good to win. But I love the excitement of not knowing who will win. Thanks for all involved :)
?????? Watch in order and you wouldnt have that impression AT ALL.
Nothing sets the mood more than Tom saying "Welcome to this Catfishing Clusterf**k"
It would be interesting for the Christmas edition to have a Christmas themed episode. For example, instead of the Imp, you could have "Santa".
I know Jon was super salty about the way things played out with the mistake, but it wasn't as stupid a choice as he made the towns call out to be. Laurie had placed some sus on him with the fortune teller bluff, and with his mistake compounding it, there wasn't really a better option.
Been waiting for this one. Well done lads!
I would probably have believed Brooke as a grandmother because she didn't say to Sully she was his minion 😂.
Unfortunately I think Brooke realized very quickly that she was screwed. Sully knew more than he should have and it was clear by the way he was acting.
From there, she was killed off on night one and couldn't stop it without looking evil. And she made no attempt at all for the rest of the game to add misdirection or defend herself. She should have(and I think in any other game of it they have played she would have) immediately jumped on when Sully admitted he was the lunatic and checked with his "minion" who had no idea what he was talking about.
Since everyone believed she IS the minion, she could have easily steered it away by saying: "To be clear, Sully visited me and I was really confused by his questioning. Apparently he thought I was his minion. If you all think I am the widow, then why wouldn't I go along with it since I would have known he was the lunatic?"
That would have had everyone doubting and may have helped out Laurie some. Even still I think evil was completely screwed the moment Adam picked Sully and realized the meta of the storytellers.
I'd love to see a game where the lunatic thinks the demon is their minion.
Exactly OR GIVE HIM JUST ONE MINION
Ironically I had gone back through some of the other playthroughs today in my ear at work.
Always enjoy watching NRB play Blood on the Clocktower!
So the moral of this story, I take it, is if you are the widow in a dreamer/lunatic game, poison the dreamer.
They actually all hard claimed honestly (minus those who were evil or thought they were). That honesty out there made that game insanely hard for the evil team. They had perfect info which was suppose to be an advantage but Adam gave it to everyone. Day one the game was over but Laurie did what he does best and played an outstanding game. Carley gets a lot of credit for being insane at this game which she is... but Laurie is her rival more than Adam.
Agreed. The game was over before it started and the only reason it took so long for good to win was because they kept doubting that the game should be that easy for them.
But it was. The game and the storytellers put everything in goods favor and then couldn't help them because they didn't put any ways to help in the initial setup.
The moment Adam made his lucky choice(which wasn't as astounding as some people seem to think...it was a 1 in 7 chance and Adam is generally biased to certain people like Sully so it was probably even a greater chance than that) the evil team was fucked and the storytellers had nowhere to go either.
It was a poorly setup game that screwed the evil team. Not a single lucky choice. The storytellers HAVE to stop building teams for the lolz and actually have it be random. Either that or carefully pick classes but do so differently than how they would.
Sully being the lunatic writes itself. Anyone else besides him or Adam and it likely would have been a lot more fun. Having his minion be his wife as well? Clearly done for the content. That isnt how the game is meant to be played. Players shouldn't be able to make educated guesses based on what their storytellers would do. Bit they have clearly been able to for the past bunch of games.
@@RavenGlenn Out of curiosity, what would you have suggested we do differently? I'm always looking to improve as a GM across various systems, so I'd love to hear about anything you might have noticed. Keep in mind that the roles are assigned randomly, as they should be, so I can't really go handing people roles.
@@bennburns honestly Ben I don’t think there was anything you could have done. The way the rules play and the characters in play work your hands were tied. The one thing you could have done would have made Isaacs power less impactful but that is unfair to Isaac. Would you have ever imagined that everyone would honestly hard claim publicly? That put you and Tom in such a bad position. Your ability to help the evil team was handicapped. Any lies or misinformation you try to lay out would feel that way instead of feeling honest. And a personal meta is impossible to not develop when you play with the same people so many times even if people are trying to ignore it there are unconsciously biased to certain thoughts. This is like when Blair and Isaac lost so quick. There was really bad luck and a few key decisions made by the players that the story tellers could not control. I like that you are trying improve but I personally feel this game was out of your hands.
Ps I feel my custom script was not picked for the contest which is very ok. I am just looking for feedback if you have time to provide .
@@richmccann2052 Hey Rich, thanks for the reply. I'd love to give you some feedback. Can you ping me on Twitter or Discord and I'll take a look.
@@bennburns check your twitter
Ooh! I love this script! Let's goooo!
This is EXACTLY what I needed
grandma is the most UNTRUSTWORTHY role in a widow game imo.
Sully is a Lunatic.
He's also playing Blood on the Clocktower.😎
Oh, the chaos. The chaos. How delightful. Very fun game, everyone, though I think it may have went quite differently had Sock Puppet Sully showed up to play.
I think I’d like to see Issac’s amnesia power as a real role
Like
The school teacher
Maybe nerf it a little
Like you can only guess any role once
Or something like that
A minute in and the swearing has me rolling. 😂
I have a feeling that’s how Adam really snores
Laurie is THE unluckiest player in this nrb series. when he's on the good side others nominate him just for fun and when he defends himself they just find it funny and go on executing him anyway
and every time I've seen him in evil team, good players all of a sudden miraculously make the perfect choices: the dreamer takes out the lunatic on night 1, the amnesiac fully trusts the outsider and figures out his crucial ability which gives away the demon's name on day #2.
I love that Adam is apparently the therapist this game. Very much enjoying it.
I genuinely hope Jon is doing okay. He seemed honestly distressed.
He really puts his all while playing. It's nice to see someone getting so involved. He is a great player as well, he has improved a lot since he began.
But genuinely felt bad for him today.
After today, I’m not sure if this game is right for him. I think he was genuinely upset about being executed, and he should know many times over that that sometimes just happens.