I'm happy to see everything happening at OCo post-MLB. I hope the people that take care of the garden (which was last branded the "A's Team Farm", presumably it would need to be "Coliseum Garden" instead) keep doing what they're doing. That garden is my favourite stadium sideshow anywhere and I loved giving guests that thought they were coming ironicly a magical tour of that garden (just in the sense that I know what I'm talking about with it and it's a labour of love to show people around it) and letting them try the figs.
you probably know this but it's because aussie rules football was created to keep cricketers in shape during the winter season! a fun little piece of trivia
@@GTtwothousand Definitely the reason for the formation of the Melbourne Football Club (and many other football clubs of various codes in Australia and England). Not the reason that the game is played on ovals though as cricket clubs were concerned about damage to the turf (this still occurs to this day and the need to protect the cricket pitch square is why the red Coles logo isn't painted in the middle of the SCG and Gabba). Took about 30 years for Australian football to move into fenced off cricket grounds from parklands, which was done to charge admission and avoid ground invasions. Fairly quickly the shape of the ground moved from the original rectangle to an oval, partly started by Geelong (of all teams) taking advantage of the large wings (at their old ground) with their faster run and carry style.
Even though I’m not a resident of Oakland, i felt a bit sad that the city lost all its teams GSW, A’s and Raiders. Hopefully more sports come to fill the void.
Cricket can definitely become a mid major sport in the US like soccer (not necessarily mls), golf , tennis ,ufc. It might not have a couple of billionaires willing to lose hundreds of millions of dollars like mls had but what it does have is fan base that is upper middle class . Hockey is one the four major sports not because most main stream sports fans love Hockey but because a lot of those that do love the sport have upper middle class income or higher.
I would love to see Aussie Rules and Rugby take hold in the US, especially at the coliseum. California has always been one of the key trend setting regions in the US, so I could definitely see a success in Oakland lead to attempts in other cities.
This is exactly what I was just thinking. Oakland for all its weird and wonderfulness Can become the hub of alt-sports (that have a chance in the now). The cricket thing will be difficult because of the cricket pitch aspect. Just imagine it though, February-October 8 rugby games, 17 football games, and a few days of cricket, plus any playoffs. That'd be amazing
In my opinion cricket will face the same difficulties that rugby is having right now. And that is... competition. Rugby (especially rugby XIII, rugby league) is very similar to american football and they basically refer to the same "niche". Cricket does the same with baseball. Association football, soccer, is not (and never was) in competition with anyone, except for the name probably. Soccer was very popular until the 1930s (American Soccer League) and was then condemned by FIFA and USSF decisions. Then revived by the NASL and finally gaining stability with the MLS. The only problem soccer has right now is that... it's international. The major leagues are not in the US. Rugby on the other side has many more problems: competition with gridiron football, it's international but not quite tempting for an investor as for example soccer is. Because there's less money involved and there's not a very established star system. Let's be real: Finn Russell in the MLR would not make the same impact that Beckham or Messi did. In addition, rugby is very elitarist in the sense that, for example, the top nations basically always play against each other and that there very few leagues where talented players would play: TOP14, URC and Premiership in Europe, Super Rugby in Oceania. About cricket... it surely has more potential than rugby. Because it's closely related to South Asian communities. The problems here are that it needs very unusual venues, its competition with baseball (I mean... even softball isn't quite able to confront baseball), again the "elitarist"-British empire essence of the game and that... yes there's a lot of investments in the game but they're basically concentrated in India, gravitating around Indian players. We'll see. MLR is not in a good position right now, MLC has the potential to grow.
The 9 team CFL could use really use a 10th team. The coliseum could fit a CFL field and Oakland is a great football city. And the NFL won’t go back Oakland and squeeze the CFL like they did with the Baltimore Ravens.
I think that soccer is popular in the States because of 1) high school playing, and 2) Latin American fans. Cricket should become a high school game, first.
What happened to the proposal for an oval at the Santa Clara County Fairgrounds? Major League Rugby- Kezar. Considering that one of MLR’s perennial good teams (Seattle) plays in a smaller venue than Kezar, this makes way more economic sense. We know the Roots and Soul will not be playing in the Coliseum long term. The cricket idea fits the space… and even better when removing Mount Davis. Plus my trip just concluded to the east and south has me thinking the influx of South Asians isn’t just in the Bay Area. I sense there’s something to this
Cricket was the original national sport in the U.S. with a lot of big east coast clubs such as Philadelphia which is still a functioning club. Baseball took over towards the late 1800s only to be uprooted by Football in the 1960s. The point is any sport is doable and I like that there are efforts to keep old stadiums alive, no modern venue can create the atmosphere of these old places
The AFL has played a few matches in the US. Including at Pro Player stadium in 1989, or whatever you want to call where the Dolphins play. There was talks of having an AFL team in LA in 1989.
I did not know about the AFL playing at Joe Robbie Field, so that's something I'll need to check out. GWS Giants have been actively trying to play a game in San Francisco for a while now.
I'm hoping they opt to tear it down to one level with center field open and make it a municipal stadium like Kezar. The Ballers could play in it and they could host cricket as well as concerts and high school playoffs. The Ballers/Soul are planning to build a temporary stadium on the lot that hopefully becomes permanent with enough capacity for the UFL.
The old Money jokes were fantastic. I had beer coming out my nose. That being said, I would be coming from DC to support the Freedom in Oakland! Cricket had the first international test match in NYC. ESPNcricinfo did a fantastic documentary. And I love your deep cuts.
From what I understand/seen in cricket when someone bats a six (mlb equivalent of a homerun) the fans throw the ball back and they continue play with it. I hope their prepared for ex Mlb fans thinking it's a souvenir lol. Honestly cricket is great to watch in the baseball off season even with limited understanding.
Ok but saying this is so misleading. Of course the second most popular sport would be the sport played by the most populous country. But in the US even bowling is more popular than cricket. Nobody wants to watch that
@@zalesRU have you ever watched Cricket? It’s really interesting. That being said; it is going to be a massive uphill climb to make any inroads into America. There are very few youth leagues (unlike soccer), there are very few that even remotely have seen a game in person. But, if there are people that want to send money on a league; let them.
@@TheOtherGygax The thing about cricket in America is that it simply does not need "mainstream" acceptance to succeed. They won't say as much, but any sort of mainstream acceptance of cricket in the US is merely gravy, and not the main course. There's already a built-in audience in the US that is completely obsessed with the game in the South Asian diasporas, and has the money to spend on it. And MLC's primary audience isn't even in the US to begin with, it's the global cricket viewing (and betting) audience - mostly in India, but still truly worldwide in terms of the British Commonwealth.
Another reason that the Coliseum did not host any matches in the T20 World Cup is that the matches would have been played during morning drive in order to be shown live in India.
the fact that so many different sports are going in why not bring the bananas as well, they would make the place rock and its not bashed by john fisher, looking forward to 2025 and everything new
I actually think that because it is so convoluted and complicated and can actually take multiple days and stuff that it could work in America. We love sports praise be to Apollo and this sport is just crazy weird and unnecessarily convoluted.making it something people could put on their TV some night. I want sarcastiaball
i thought this would happen. the field is big but can you fit an oval, don't worry Red Ball Cricket US does not have first-class status. i think the O would be great for limited-overs games if they can make an oval
I also think league could build a nice-sized following and become a popular spring/summer sport. I'm interested to see how the NRL does in Vegas for year two because that should be a major catalyst.
Sorry man, I am from Oakland. The coliseum not being up to snuff is definitely true. Sad they couldn't build a new stadium, but the Coliseum needed to go or be totally renovated.
Was it the Coliseum or the team not being up to snuff? I understand the trend is to upgrade these stadiums to "improve the fan experience", but all they're doing is creating venues where most fans can't afford to visit expect once or twice a season. I live in Los Angeles. I used to go to games with my family of four and be able to spend $125-150 a game, including parking and concessions, even though I'm a Yankee fan. Granted, that was 25 years ago, but even during the Dodger 32-year drought between championships, prices just kept going up and up and up. Now, for the same seats we used to buy, you're paying $125-150 _per person_ and for what? A game that's now shorter than it was before? If I want comfort, I'll stay home. I want to watch professional sports in person and not have to take out a second mortgage to do it. It's the Disneyland approach all over again...
@@NeilTruick >Was it the Coliseum or the team not being up to snuff? I suppose the team not being excellent played into it, but the coliseum was seriously showing its age even when the Raiders were there as well, let alone in the JF-exclusive era. It was a dark and damp brutalist stadium and everything in it felt out of date (not to mention that a few parts were actively broken, e.g. the possum pressbox). Even relatively cheap (hundreds of millions still in this day and age) newer stadiums (e.g. Levi's in SC) do not feel like the Coliseum did. I am just disappointed they were stringing the city of Oakland along for proposals like the Howard Terminal one, but regardless the Coliseum need to go or completely change. I'm not sure what an upgrade would have done to prices, but the situation was getting pretty bad, so that isn't at the top of mind for me. I definitely agree with your sentiment though, these games are increasingly made for T.V. I don't need a $30 hot dog.
It was less than 20 years ago the top paid players weren't even millionaires. Now tons of guys since 2008 (advent of the IPL) are on multiple millions a year. The top Aussies make over a million on their national contract, plus 2-3 million for the two months of the IPL. That doesn't happen to dying sports
It’s about time an American circle-shaped venue hosted a circle-shaped game!
That's what those old multi purpose stadiums remind me of
I'm happy to see everything happening at OCo post-MLB. I hope the people that take care of the garden (which was last branded the "A's Team Farm", presumably it would need to be "Coliseum Garden" instead) keep doing what they're doing. That garden is my favourite stadium sideshow anywhere and I loved giving guests that thought they were coming ironicly a magical tour of that garden (just in the sense that I know what I'm talking about with it and it's a labour of love to show people around it) and letting them try the figs.
And the UFL should come to Oakland to replace the void that the NFL left
The good thing about cricket is that it's fields are good for Australian rules football, which I want to see catch on in the U.S.
you probably know this but it's because aussie rules football was created to keep cricketers in shape during the winter season! a fun little piece of trivia
@@GTtwothousand I didn't know this and honestly that makes the AFL rules and playstyle make so much more sense.
I have a feeling that after Mason Cox retires he'll dedicate his time to growing AFL in the United States
@@GTtwothousand A fun little myth.
@@GTtwothousand Definitely the reason for the formation of the Melbourne Football Club (and many other football clubs of various codes in Australia and England).
Not the reason that the game is played on ovals though as cricket clubs were concerned about damage to the turf (this still occurs to this day and the need to protect the cricket pitch square is why the red Coles logo isn't painted in the middle of the SCG and Gabba).
Took about 30 years for Australian football to move into fenced off cricket grounds from parklands, which was done to charge admission and avoid ground invasions. Fairly quickly the shape of the ground moved from the original rectangle to an oval, partly started by Geelong (of all teams) taking advantage of the large wings (at their old ground) with their faster run and carry style.
Even though I’m not a resident of Oakland, i felt a bit sad that the city lost all its teams GSW, A’s and Raiders. Hopefully more sports come to fill the void.
Cricket can definitely become a mid major sport in the US like soccer (not necessarily mls), golf , tennis ,ufc. It might not have a couple of billionaires willing to lose hundreds of millions of dollars like mls had but what it does have is fan base that is upper middle class . Hockey is one the four major sports not because most main stream sports fans love Hockey but because a lot of those that do love the sport have upper middle class income or higher.
I would love to see Aussie Rules and Rugby take hold in the US, especially at the coliseum. California has always been one of the key trend setting regions in the US, so I could definitely see a success in Oakland lead to attempts in other cities.
Cricket, Rugby Union, Rugby League, Soccer, BRING THME ALL ON!!!!
Superb review, ty. The Aussie Rules LA Crocodiles nearly became a thing in the late 1980’s. Oakland Emus in 2025?
God imagine the coliseum drawing 20k+ for the root, MLC, and MLR.
This is exactly what I was just thinking. Oakland for all its weird and wonderfulness Can become the hub of alt-sports (that have a chance in the now). The cricket thing will be difficult because of the cricket pitch aspect.
Just imagine it though, February-October 8 rugby games, 17 football games, and a few days of cricket, plus any playoffs. That'd be amazing
Cricket would be a great thing to see come into the coliseum. Green and Gold for the occasion please!
In my opinion cricket will face the same difficulties that rugby is having right now. And that is... competition.
Rugby (especially rugby XIII, rugby league) is very similar to american football and they basically refer to the same "niche". Cricket does the same with baseball.
Association football, soccer, is not (and never was) in competition with anyone, except for the name probably. Soccer was very popular until the 1930s (American Soccer League) and was then condemned by FIFA and USSF decisions. Then revived by the NASL and finally gaining stability with the MLS. The only problem soccer has right now is that... it's international. The major leagues are not in the US.
Rugby on the other side has many more problems: competition with gridiron football, it's international but not quite tempting for an investor as for example soccer is. Because there's less money involved and there's not a very established star system. Let's be real: Finn Russell in the MLR would not make the same impact that Beckham or Messi did.
In addition, rugby is very elitarist in the sense that, for example, the top nations basically always play against each other and that there very few leagues where talented players would play: TOP14, URC and Premiership in Europe, Super Rugby in Oceania.
About cricket... it surely has more potential than rugby. Because it's closely related to South Asian communities. The problems here are that it needs very unusual venues, its competition with baseball (I mean... even softball isn't quite able to confront baseball), again the "elitarist"-British empire essence of the game and that... yes there's a lot of investments in the game but they're basically concentrated in India, gravitating around Indian players.
We'll see.
MLR is not in a good position right now, MLC has the potential to grow.
The 9 team CFL could use really use a 10th team. The coliseum could fit a CFL field and Oakland is a great football city. And the NFL won’t go back Oakland and squeeze the CFL like they did with the Baltimore Ravens.
And they could do it in San Diego as well. The anti-NFL sentiment is likely still at boiling point there.
San Diego’s old stadium probably could have fit a CFL field. Snapdragon stadium probably couldn’t but the city had fans for the AAF I think.
I think that soccer is popular in the States because of 1) high school playing, and 2) Latin American fans. Cricket should become a high school game, first.
Shout out Fox Sports World. Max, Christian, Allen, and Nick will always be my guys.
Evenings were better with Jeremy St. Louis and Michelle Lissel.
What happened to the proposal for an oval at the Santa Clara County Fairgrounds?
Major League Rugby- Kezar. Considering that one of MLR’s perennial good teams (Seattle) plays in a smaller venue than Kezar, this makes way more economic sense.
We know the Roots and Soul will not be playing in the Coliseum long term. The cricket idea fits the space… and even better when removing Mount Davis. Plus my trip just concluded to the east and south has me thinking the influx of South Asians isn’t just in the Bay Area. I sense there’s something to this
Cricket was the original national sport in the U.S. with a lot of big east coast clubs such as Philadelphia which is still a functioning club. Baseball took over towards the late 1800s only to be uprooted by Football in the 1960s. The point is any sport is doable and I like that there are efforts to keep old stadiums alive, no modern venue can create the atmosphere of these old places
Cricket or build it out to accommodate the Canadian football league. Mt, Davis is already there. Build the community around it.
CFL isn't coming back to the US
The AFL has played a few matches in the US. Including at Pro Player stadium in 1989, or whatever you want to call where the Dolphins play. There was talks of having an AFL team in LA in 1989.
I did not know about the AFL playing at Joe Robbie Field, so that's something I'll need to check out. GWS Giants have been actively trying to play a game in San Francisco for a while now.
I don't understand cricket, but, would be willing to learn. It will be interesting to see, beyond soccer, what events takes place at the Coliseum.
I'm hoping they opt to tear it down to one level with center field open and make it a municipal stadium like Kezar. The Ballers could play in it and they could host cricket as well as concerts and high school playoffs. The Ballers/Soul are planning to build a temporary stadium on the lot that hopefully becomes permanent with enough capacity for the UFL.
Now bring back Day on the Green concerts. Good times from the 70s. I love this old dump, aka the Last Dive Bar.
Will you be allowed to keep the ball hit into the stands or have to throw it back? lol.
You have to throw it back. In fact, not changing the ball in cricket is like a whole thing.
The old Money jokes were fantastic. I had beer coming out my nose. That being said, I would be coming from DC to support the Freedom in Oakland! Cricket had the first international test match in NYC. ESPNcricinfo did a fantastic documentary. And I love your deep cuts.
From what I understand/seen in cricket when someone bats a six (mlb equivalent of a homerun) the fans throw the ball back and they continue play with it. I hope their prepared for ex Mlb fans thinking it's a souvenir lol. Honestly cricket is great to watch in the baseball off season even with limited understanding.
If they ever come to Utah and I know they are there I would 100% be there.
It would be the first time a stick ball team will play in that venue. The last tenants only brought the equipment but didn't do anything with it. 😅
I don’t think people realize that Cricket is the second most popular sport in the world.
Ok but saying this is so misleading. Of course the second most popular sport would be the sport played by the most populous country. But in the US even bowling is more popular than cricket. Nobody wants to watch that
@@zalesRU have you ever watched Cricket? It’s really interesting.
That being said; it is going to be a massive uphill climb to make any inroads into America. There are very few youth leagues (unlike soccer), there are very few that even remotely have seen a game in person. But, if there are people that want to send money on a league; let them.
@@TheOtherGygax The thing about cricket in America is that it simply does not need "mainstream" acceptance to succeed. They won't say as much, but any sort of mainstream acceptance of cricket in the US is merely gravy, and not the main course. There's already a built-in audience in the US that is completely obsessed with the game in the South Asian diasporas, and has the money to spend on it. And MLC's primary audience isn't even in the US to begin with, it's the global cricket viewing (and betting) audience - mostly in India, but still truly worldwide in terms of the British Commonwealth.
@@zalesRU Baseball is America's past time, not cricket... Cricket NEVER will be... ua-cam.com/video/7SB16il97yw/v-deo.html
Another reason that the Coliseum did not host any matches in the T20 World Cup is that the matches would have been played during morning drive in order to be shown live in India.
the fact that so many different sports are going in why not bring the bananas as well, they would make the place rock and its not bashed by john fisher, looking forward to 2025 and everything new
I actually think that because it is so convoluted and complicated and can actually take multiple days and stuff that it could work in America.
We love sports praise be to Apollo and this sport is just crazy weird and unnecessarily convoluted.making it something people could put on their TV some night.
I want sarcastiaball
MLB, Davis, and ESP Fisher are the reason the coliseum is so dilapidated
i thought this would happen. the field is big but can you fit an oval, don't worry Red Ball Cricket US does not have first-class status. i think the O would be great for limited-overs games if they can make an oval
If a Major League 🏏 team is going to be playing in Oakland. Should they be called the Oakland Unicorns or the East Bay Unicorns
5:23 *FOOTBALL* !!
I'm game! I wanna be a bowler!!
instead of rugby union, i think rugby league could be a awsome sport here. it's pretty damn s9imilar to the NFL too
I also think league could build a nice-sized following and become a popular spring/summer sport. I'm interested to see how the NRL does in Vegas for year two because that should be a major catalyst.
You need meech. Id buy a shirt
How about baseball?
Sorry man, I am from Oakland. The coliseum not being up to snuff is definitely true. Sad they couldn't build a new stadium, but the Coliseum needed to go or be totally renovated.
Was it the Coliseum or the team not being up to snuff? I understand the trend is to upgrade these stadiums to "improve the fan experience", but all they're doing is creating venues where most fans can't afford to visit expect once or twice a season. I live in Los Angeles. I used to go to games with my family of four and be able to spend $125-150 a game, including parking and concessions, even though I'm a Yankee fan. Granted, that was 25 years ago, but even during the Dodger 32-year drought between championships, prices just kept going up and up and up. Now, for the same seats we used to buy, you're paying $125-150 _per person_ and for what? A game that's now shorter than it was before? If I want comfort, I'll stay home. I want to watch professional sports in person and not have to take out a second mortgage to do it. It's the Disneyland approach all over again...
@@NeilTruick
>Was it the Coliseum or the team not being up to snuff?
I suppose the team not being excellent played into it, but the coliseum was seriously showing its age even when the Raiders were there as well, let alone in the JF-exclusive era.
It was a dark and damp brutalist stadium and everything in it felt out of date (not to mention that a few parts were actively broken, e.g. the possum pressbox). Even relatively cheap (hundreds of millions still in this day and age) newer stadiums (e.g. Levi's in SC) do not feel like the Coliseum did.
I am just disappointed they were stringing the city of Oakland along for proposals like the Howard Terminal one, but regardless the Coliseum need to go or completely change.
I'm not sure what an upgrade would have done to prices, but the situation was getting pretty bad, so that isn't at the top of mind for me.
I definitely agree with your sentiment though, these games are increasingly made for T.V. I don't need a $30 hot dog.
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Cricket is a dying game. We dont need it
Dying? Have you been anywhere outside this country? Stop typing.
It was less than 20 years ago the top paid players weren't even millionaires. Now tons of guys since 2008 (advent of the IPL) are on multiple millions a year. The top Aussies make over a million on their national contract, plus 2-3 million for the two months of the IPL.
That doesn't happen to dying sports