Many years in the boots and one of my favorite sayings was, "simplicity is genius and genius simplicity is never accomplish by accident". I coined the phrase but may not have been / likely wasn't the first to say it. "Keep it simple stupid" was the fraise the Army taught us long ago. Now I am old and everyone thinks I am mean and stupid for working harder than I should. Everybody is on the AI high now and some day they will all be enjoying fake lives, playing video games all the time and having fake relationships with fake people and never will they know the difference. Keep your head on your shoulders and never give the intelligent people the time of day or they will drag you into their fake reality.
@@oakiewoodsman I appreciate your video. Technology is not all bad but as you point out, technology sells products that may not be as practical. Mahindra sells a jeep knock-off that would be all over the roads if they could be purchased of the lot as a registerable vehicle. Many people would rush to buy throwback vehicles that didn't have any electronics or smog prevention accessories. The vehicles would still pass MARTA as long as they was maintained and they would cost at least $5k less. Also, the only way cars and trucks can cost so much as they do is to be financed by banks for so long. Buying my first vehicle on loan money, I learned that a bank wouldn't carry a note, longer than 2 years on a used truck or car and 3 years max for new. My 2021 model 3/4 ton gas truck costed what my first house costed and the bank was willing to loan 7 years.
There is one with 32 inch tires on it and it’s the one with the good front end and I wanna say it’s like 12 grand. 😉 even knew I feel like the pricing is actually pretty good on them. People like to compare them to a side-by-side and I suppose you could do that because you could use them on a farm property but I can tell you that the turning radius is terrible in a Roxor. They are just a really neat simple vehicle and I would love to someday on one.
Good info/opinion, that's all it is, and I love Stihl saws. People will still make their own decisions for their situations. I've also "seen the light" regarding battery chainsaws. They are not now or likely even soon to replace the big gas saws used by many professionals, but they certainly have their place. For the residential user with an occasional downed tree and other small tasks they're ideal; quiet, light, convenient, and capable.
Great comment! People are silly about things. For example, many would say they would never run a saw less than 70cc and you shouldn't either. That is a silly train of thought with a one track mind
i have owned the 251C for 11 years used for storm damage and cleanup on my property. Overall the wheel adjustment worked good but I had some issues with the bar loosening and I didn't want to break the flip out handle. They made the same model with a standard setup with a screw adjuster and a single nut instead of the wheel adjuster. I just bought the new cover and the few parts and converted it. Its been a great saw.
I find it interesting how many people have issues with the Stihl flip caps. My MS251 was my first real chainsaw I bought new for myself from the dealer back in 2015 and I've never had an issue with the flip caps leaking. It needs a bit of a cleaning from sitting but it starts up every time I need it. Also, Guilty of Treeson has one of the newer electric Husqvarna saws that utilizes a clutch like a normal gas saw as a backup for when he's up in a man-lift cutting limbs. I find if you're never going out in the woods to gather firewood and you only need a chainsaw for small property cleanup battery is the best way to go. Aside from keeping it clean and keeping the chain sharp there's no worry of 2-stroke going stale from long term sitting. If it's a saw that falls in a yard tool line you're already part of even better because you'll have the batteries and charger already. :)
I've had my 251 c for about 10 years too, it's ridiculous how easy that thing is to start, and the simplicity of tightening the chain. It's insane how many hours I probably have on that saw. And flipping the bar is no big deal, I personally love the lockdown caps. A sharp quality saw that is well maintained will do the trick, and the rest is just personal preference.
@@theone4929 Mine is just the regular MS251, no start assist like the C variant. Funny enough the 251 wasn't my first choice. I saw Stihl had a sale going on for December of 2015 for the MS250 after Christmas. So I drove to the local Stihl dealer to ask about the sale. Sadly the owner himself wasn't there and the younger fellow behind the counter filling in for him didn't know anything about the sale. So I just drove a few extra miles to the John Deere dealer and got the MS251 instead. That's all they had for similar saws. Everything else was either 35cc or big stuff I couldn't afford. But it's turned out to be very reliable and starts when needed. I will say that the chain oiler is quite weak on it compared to other saws but it's not like you're going to run anything bigger than a 18" bar anyway. So that's more of a nitpick.
Speaking of yard work, I bought the Husky battery saw with the 'spensive batteries. Seemed silly at that point to not also grab the relatively cheap blower and trimmer that run great on those big batteries. I find now I'm only using the gas saws for felling the larger trees. Stihl makes a comparable battery unit, as well as a really nice and spendy one, but I found that one unnecessarily heavy.
@@kenbee1028 I need to clean it up. But I bought the 80V Atlas chainsaw from HF a while back because I already bought the weed whacker and push mower beforehand. I mainly bought it for using around the yard so I'm not making a lot of noise. If you need to zip off something quick you don't have to worry about it wanting to start. Just put a battery in and you're good.
my 026 044 caps work fine for many years . they just need a cap that goes over the threads or external on tank and internal on cap. o-rings been working fine for decades. good vidja my friend.
I am on my second set of both the 180C and the 251C along with a 30 plus year old 311 and run the heck out of them. 80 years old now and still put up 20 cords of firewood a year, luv the C models.
I sure appreciate you sharing your experience. Love it when someone has a different view and shares it in a manner like you did yourself! Keep up the great work and again, I thank you for sharing and being here!
Husqvarna & Stihl make very good saws, seems most commercial users have them. But DYI homeowners and landowner too often overlook Echo, the Echo saws have extreme reliability, are rugged and generally light weight. I have a 4910, it is a cutting demon. It has a decompression button for easier starts. Once warmed, its one pull start all day long. The chain tightening screw on the side of the cover is convenient with a reliable simple design.
@@oakiewoodsman The 4910 has been replaced by the 4920, same displacement but power has been boosted, has a primer bulb, and I believe an upgraded air filter system. I looked at one locally, looks good, with nice improvements. I'm considering trading up.
It is not a trade up. It is a down grade because it is a clamshell saw. Echo has the best line up of non clam shell saws and it used to include the 4910. The features of the 4920 on the 4910 would make it a fantastic saw!
@@oakiewoodsman Not sure what you mean by a "clam shell" saw. Are you referring to how the plastic body is made? I admit not knowing about the body/frame technical features of either model.
Your 4910 is a magnesium case that houses the crank bearings and crank. It has a cylinder that bolts atop it via 4 bolts. A clamshell has a small self contained engine that sits on a plastic chassis. It retains heat, is hard to work on, heavier etc. Have you seen the video where I toured the ECHO factory?
I don't know hiw the MS251 and 250 compare. But ive had a MS251 for 12 years absolutely no issues. We cut 3 chords a year. I believe many issues are caused from a lack of maintenance and abuse.
Yes for most home owners battery is better and they won't have fuel issues but they still have to keep the batteries up on charge and batteries are not cheap !
@garyalford9394 batteries are much much better than ever. And will last for years if used daily. I use them in my tree business. My big saws for big jobs are monsters
@AndyGenova-jr9ol no different from the cordless tools that a majority have in their garages. Considering all the millions of batteries in existence, it is unlikely to actually happen.
I personally like the easy toolless clutch cover, But I do keep in mind to flip the bar over, I like it for thining where you have a brushcutter and a chainsaw whit you and you don't need to bring a scwrench and you don't loose bar nuts. Of course the clutch cover is on my battery msa 200, my favorite first thinning saw. And the argument to "you can't go and cut all day whit a battery saw'' is yes you can you need 2 batteries and a pwer sorce I use an power bank and it keeps me going all day.
Thanks for the chainsaw wisdom Joe! Husqvarma has the cordless T540i and the T542i with a clutch, from my experience with the T540i, they are great, just keep the chain sharp!
Interesting topic for sure Joe. Thanks for sharing. I have an electric saw for the very reason I cannot pull one over anymore. My back issues scare me out of trying again. Jason takes care of all the big stuff! I used to love running chainsaws in my younger days. We agree that less is more in the designs! Happy New Year! 🎉✌️🇺🇸🇨🇦🍻
better to be safe than sorry when it comes to that. I overdid it trying to split some green sycamore last year. That was before I had a splitter and it was a fun video to make. The only problem is that I inured my back and it seemed SO easy to make it hurt again. I have been very leary of swingin an axe since then. I need to get back into doing it a bit.
@oakiewoodsman just take it easy and remember to engage your core! It is the only thing that helps me. I had surgery in 2017 and my physiotherapist saved my life!!
The cap on the STIHL. In 40 years and generations of saws, I have only broken one cap which was not the saws' fault. Since then, I have carried a spare cap for years and never had it happen to date. Matching the right saw size for the right use and frequency is critical. Electrics will not work here with heavy use and sizes but may be good for the part time hobby owner like the 250 series.
I think you can put husky flip caps on a 620. I want to see someone make a beefy corded 5-6hp electric saw, they only make small cheap ones now. If you're cutting close to a house near a power outlet it would be sweet. The big powerful battery saws eat batteries, you dont get many cuts per charge.
The US military used to run big air powered chainsaws back in WW2 which was pretty cool. Of course not everyone has a giant tow-behind air compressor to run such a thing. :)
@@oakiewoodsman Yup, I watched a video a few years ago of someone who had one. It was a big two-man style saw. It looked like something a platoon would use to clear large obstructions. It required a pretty good sized air source to work and wasn't super fast. But any chainsaw is faster than a hand saw any day. :)
I have had saws with the flip caps for many years ( MS460, 362), and while I view them as an unnecessary nuisance, they hold up pretty well. Of course, some people can break anything. The real answer is just to keep a spare cap in your tool kit. I have accumulated all of them...old Stihl ,Stihl flipcap, old Huskie, etc. Cause you could always lose any style cap in the woods!
I have never seen a Stihl cap break like that from normal use. With that said I dont like them either. The Husky design is far better. I completely agree with you about the battery saw. It fits the niche for a person with physical issues or a homeowner that just doesnt want the hassle of mix fuel and storage limitations if not used in a timely manner. I like a purge bulb and wish Stihl had them on all of their saws. Husky does on their 500 series saws. It definitely makes cold starts alot easier vs having to pull 7/10 times to pop.
Thanks for sharing. I don't totally mind them but my MS460 is one of my best starting saws and it doesn't have one. Like it when they work like that. Simple is best.
I haven't had issues with Stihl's flip caps. Regardless, whenever my 171 decides to burn up, I'm going with an Echo or Husqvarna (in a much higher cc range).
I love my Stihl equipment but, as I've gotten older it's harder for me to start gas powered equipment. I've switched to battery powered saws, blowers and trimmers. I went with Ego brand battery equipment. Gave all my Stihl stuff to my son-in-law.
Interesting article. I've been a Stihl guy for 40 years, clearly Made in Germany, me and my saw. But jokes aside, what I prefer about Stihl over Husqvarna is first and foremost the internal brake bell, which saved the life of one of my machines. And secondly, I think the starting behavior is better with Stihl, especially the machines with M-tronic. I don't think there's much difference between the two brands. It's more a matter of taste.
NONE of them are built any different But I LOVE Husky Lungs. i love the Cylinders and etc. Everything from Supermotos to… Chainsaws. Husky is Ferrari or chainsaws rn. Sorry. And Chevy owns aftermarket always has so Stihl is a ford, and Echo is a de-tuned base model Dodge.
I imagine Stihl's market research showed a demand for the C models. If that's not what you want, don't buy a C model. It's kind of like faulting an automaker for offering a convertible model. Yes, there are drawbacks to a convertible, but some buyers want one. I have 5 Stihl chainsaws, none are C models. I hate quick/tool less tension adjusters and front mounted tension adjusters; won't buy a saw with those.
I had a c model 211. When I flipped the bar I did the same thing you did…. 😂 My Dolmar 5105 had the ez start deal too. Was kinda nice as my 6 year old (at the time) could even start it…. Can’t figure out why on a 50cc saw imo…. BTW, I’ll send you my address so you can ship the 7310 to me 😂😂😂 Yes, those caps SUCK…. Batt saws are nice for around the house…
I've had a 180c for about 5 years now and have run the snot out of it since. It fires up every time sometimes it needs a handful of pulls to start now, but for a $200 saw...its paid for itself. The bar adjustment is the worst feature, bad idea it feels cheap when tightening the chain.
Inherited a ms170 and ms250c when I bought my parents house. We cut 10 to 12 face cord a year. Ms 250 was fine but the c functions suck. I never seemed to be able to dial in the tension properly or tighten it enough. Also the easy start is ok but weird. Sold it before I threw it in my pond. Haven’t looked back since I bought my Ms 261 with mtronic. Kept the Ms 170 for back up and quick small jobs. Sometimes “keep it simple stupid” is just better.
You can look at it as quality, or you can look at it as they are trying to be the winner at making a super lightweight saw. I think that cutting the weight down on a saw has a couple advantages and disadvantages. First of all the cost goes up the strength goes down, but the user experience can be better until it fails right?
Pretty rare that a saw doesn't leak a little. Outside of brand new saws really. Hell my Husqvarna 555 the oil cap I guess vibrated off and dumped the oil down my leg felling an ash a couple months ago. I don't really buy the homeowner saws anyway to worry about some of these features. I do have a 250 though I have had forever. Can't remember the last time I even ran it. Never had much of a problem starting it. Usually just a few pulls and its running. I have had issues with some of these new electronic saws though like that 555. Damn thing runs when it wants to run. Have had it back to the dealer but still if you kill it, most the time it doesn't want to start back up after. I need to take it back to the dealer again thing doesn't even want to idle anymore maybe it just needs a whole new carb I don't know.
Interesting... I have never had a cap come loose that screws into threads. I have only every dumped stuff out of a STIHL where I though the cap was on and it wasn't. Normally, the caps tighten on me during usage.
I bought a Stihl MS180C with Easy-to-Start and tool-less clutch cover when I tore my rotator cuff and couldn't start a conventional saw for about a year and a quarter. That was six years ago and it became my everyday go-to saw. Easy to start, lightweight, plenty of power for most chores. And my wife can start it! The tool-less clutch cover is not really a plus or a minus; I don't have anything particularly good or bad to say about it. It works just fine. But it's not the most amazing advance in chainsaw technology. So....would I buy another MS180C or MS 250C? I think so. I have absolutely no complaints. And the added ounces of the pull-start mechanism? I can't say I even noticed. I'm not in a hurry to invest in a cordless chainsaw until they improve the lifespan of the batteries and reduce the replacement prices.
I'm not a fan of the spring assist recoils or the tool less clutch covers, nor Stihls flip caps. I have ONE Stihl saw with flip caps that have not leaked yet in 2+ years but all others seem to get finicky after about a year. Sometimes replacing the o-ring fixes them. Tho I'm a 2-stroke lover, I have to agree with you that if one truly needs the "easy" features, a good battery saw is likely a better option👍🏻
👍👍 I suppose there is a market for the “C” model or they wouldn’t sell it. There are a whole group of folks that probably would be better served with a battery saw, but are skeptical. The stihl battery equipment is going to be at a higher price point than the 250 series. Finally, there are some people that are very brand loyal and are only going to buy a stihl- so they get a 250C. I hear you……but different folks and their opinions and life experience make this world interesting!!
So… Im a power-line-clearance Tree Climber Been running Stihl TOOL-LESS caps forever. Had my leg SATURATED by the oil contents a few times by ground men passing me up a “fresh” fueled oiled saw. Anything you need to know, Im yer guy. You need to PULL the caps 1st; BEFORE you push the black part down. That will 100% fix the false-lock issue. They need to be SEATED before you twist and because they ARE 1/4 turn, they can ride on top the fill neck and unless one first PULLS to double check, you dont know if it FALSE LOCKED vvv I say FALSE LOCK because the match marks provided by Stihl, will STIHL line-up;) and the oiler cap will just be resting on top.. (glug glug is the sound;) WAITING to completely saturate a Tree Climbers leg with the entire contents of the bar oil reserve. Also, AFTERMARKET. Anyone complaining about FAST CAPS has prolly ordered the AFTERMARKET ill fitting ones and DO NOT GO BY THEM!!! DO NOT USE THEM. Any Stihl parts: GO TO THE PARTS COUNTER, PAY MONEY. Get the-BEST quality parts, just like Toyota, OEM. Aftermarket sucks. There is mo aftermarket. Even the g200 clone bushings wont hold up in a 200t.
Nope Stihl guy here. I got 0 issues with video. I love my Stihls but some have flaws. In my opinion the 462 is the best all around saw very few flaws my next is 372 husky. They are perfect size (CC and weight) to meet my needs.
@@rogerstern2542 They are nice, but that tall cover over the upturned air cleaner...makes the saw look sort of like a conehead. But then that's not the first Husky to have a tall cover. If I'm not mistaken I think it is the only one in the 5 series.
@Idahoprepper71 it is interesting how many ppl think this was some sort of anti STIHL video. They cannot separate feature criticism of brand criticism. Thank you!
Ive already see this first hand. Use to run a fs130r weedeating a cemetery. Those things went 5 or 6 years. 8hr a day 5 days a week 8 months of the year. In the past few years when they needed replacing we got 131r's. Seen numerous blow up in just a couple summers. Changed the foam filter for paper that has to be replaced ($30ea) changed the throttle now theres no lock. They are intentionally changing designs to keep their dealers busy. While also raking in cash on oem parts These "pro" trimmers are made with platic cams. Youve got to be F-in kidding me 'reliability' and platic dont go together. Oh and the zama carbs from china are trash they were good when made in tawian (or maybe it was korea)
Never underestimate the power of brute force and ignorance! The MS250C is an excellent saw for a smaller woman and I've had fantastic response from them in our agency with them. The men in our agency have been know to break an anvil with a feather! Good luck fixing the husqvarna ignition in the field? Nope dealer only software.
ummmmm..... you don't fix an ignition in the field. Are you talking about carb adjustments? First of all the dealer does not adjust the carb on M Tronic or AutoTune saws. They are designed to run at optimal performance and that yields cleanest emissions as well. Plus, the factory carbs are all pretty much limited anyway. I think you were a bit exaggerating with this comment.... but that is my opinion.
The two saws you have is basically the same saw. The difference being one is a basemodel the other has some added functions. Ms250 is the basemodel. The one marked 250c should actually be marked ms 250cbe. The c means comfort. The b is the tool less chain tensioner and the e is Easy2start. It doesnt say what spesific functions is part of the c branding, but that is probably why the one saw has the primerbulb. My ms250c should be branded ms250cb. It has the primerbulb and tooless tensioner and even a decompression valve but not the easy2start function. Does this size saw need the extra functions?? NOPE.
If you live in a area where your back yard is no longer then 200 feet to the back of your house buy a electric saw. Battery saws are only good for as long as the batteries are good. I own 4 gas saws and a electric saw for when I stack the fire wood. Due to work I have multiple 18 volt Milwaukee batteries and still would not buy a cordless chainsaw.
Battery powered outdoor equipment have the same issues as battery powered vehicles. Lithium is lethal to the environment, the batteries die extremely quickly in cooler (not cold) temperatures and won't even charge. Lithium batteries can not be recycled and is highly reactive with any moisture. No fire department in the world is really equipped to deal with a lithium fire. Battery powered outdoor equipment does have its place but it can not replace gasoline powered equivalents. As for the junk they slapped on a lot of homeowner saws, yea it is junk! Older Echo saws are over complicated to work on (some generations) due to over design, the same as older Stihl chainsaws. They also often require proprietary fuel/oil lines that aren't readily available any more.
I hear ya on lots of what you said. I am going to say this..... most industrial production has been or still is rough on the environment. I don't like that either way. I do believe currently that battery stuff is worse for the health of the world and its inhabitants than 2 stroke stuff.... including oil drilling, production of tools etc over the battery counterparts. I think that if we're truly concerned about impact, might we cut with man powered saws and tools? I personally will continue to use all options of tools and I cannot mentally go down into the weeds about different impacts this and that have. The reason is, when I do that personally, I go crazy without being able to make a good decision. Thank you as always!
I've had the ms250c for 12 years and only thing I've had to replace on it was chains and the fuel caps. I've cut hundreds of trees down with this saw and I still have it. It still works perfect so I'm debunking your BS.
@oakiewoodsman you basically dogged a company because they put features on something to help make it easier for the unaverage joe. My stepfather was one of those that couldn't do alot of things. He could absolutely use the functions on this chainsaw because he was to weak to adjust a normal chainsaw. Them features are important for a person that does have problems. You're too ignorant to see. Otherwise you wouldn't be questioning it.
The “C” stands for comfort? Somebody told you a story son, the “C” stands for carburetor….at least that’s what my certified Stihl dealer told me. With the wild success of the fuel injected 500i, all saws will eventually be fuel injected.
Stands for confort and one of the features is the easy way they start. You pull the cord up very easy and let it go. The saw star on the cord way down.
@@horaciocastillo1435oh my goodness. The “C” means it’s an M-Tronic model in the gas powered saws. Without the C in the model number it’s standard carb. Yes, it does stand for “comfort”; but all of the M-Tronic saws just have a “C” in the model number. No C = no M-Tronic.
@@therealjohnsmith4811 Interesting this information. I was not aware of this feature. Have never had any problem with my saw so have not even seen the carburator at this date. I guess the C is a package of features. Still also mention of some improvement to reduce vibrationson the C models. Thanks Happy new year.
Ua i always buy pro model saws , better powerto weight ratio and no gimmicks designed to put saws in the hands of those who shouldn't be running saws and will probably hurt themselves. This is nothing new with electric chainsaws even more unqualified people will be running them. McCullough had an electric start saw back in the '70s.
@iffykidmn8170 pretty significant price difference though. Not everyone needs a pro saw. I often say, anyone with property should be looking at a 545, 550XP or 261CM at a minimum. One of the most useful tools out there!
ALL flip caps are crap and unnecessary. No one ever complained about the old style caps in the past and failure was practicably non existent other than the occasional seal. I could not believe it when Husqvarna introduced theirs. Yes the Stihl caps are the worst by far, but the Husqvarna ones are also a pain.
I am not on the same page but... the cool thing is that you can put non flip caps in a husky if you so desire I do believe. The standard 372 ones I think.
@@oakiewoodsman I believe so, my 372 still came with the standard caps, last one before they switched to the flips. Got to change the ones on my 440, will find out then for sure.
@RonaldSkancke why would consider using the wrong tool for the wrong job. Let's say you have a Toyota Corolla that you drive everyday to work because you are using a sufficient tool for the job but then someone says, I drive a peterbuilt everyday for my tasks.
Then you didn’t listen to all of my disclaimers for the electric sensitivity that exists out there. If you notice I did my best to explain this was not an agenda. If you do not recognize the validity of different designs and tools, then I trust you just still be using a bit and brace and you really ought to be hand sawing everything and pulling logs with mukes or horses. I do not intend on being disrespectful but your comment shows you haven’t thought out your response or listened to what I said. If you did, you then failed to recognize that there are many people that a battery saw is perfect for. If you also look through the comments you will see others that were not initially fond of the idea but after they were out in a position where they couldn’t use a 2T saw , trimmer or blower, they tried and found they could still have the ability to still get some work done outside. I would ask you to reconsider your emotional statement and think about the logic that you were in agreement with. I didn’t say anything extreme. I love my big ported 2 stroke saws. Be safe and hope you understand.
I wouldn’t say the entire stihl brand is bad, I’ve used alot a home owner saws and pro saws and the pro saws are significantly better than the home owner saws, yes they’re more expensive but that’s how they are priced, I haven’t had any problems with my 362C however I keep up with maintenance and service it when it’s needed. Proper maintenance can go a long way.
@@therealjoey724yea but a 362 is an $800 saw. You can get the same cc in an echo for sub $400. Or splurge for the pro echo version still come in $200 cheaper than the stihl= steal your $
That is YOUR opinion. Fact is, just like Ford Chevy… and Dodge.. The big 3 is the big 3 with the chinese clones catching up fast. And better. (Carb > EFI) Echo is the most de-tuned, from the factory. And Husky, the Sweede is more like Ferrari of Modena. And Stihl a pos BMW UNLESS its an M model. Same same. Ask an engine guy that knows. My Chainsaw channel would feature saws in contest and THEN I would measure the squish and PORT TIMING of the two. Like a 55Rancher, and a 026RL or 261m …like I have. Ooohhh a 026 Red Lever on a Mtronic?? Or an 020 jug, on a 200t, with 201t Mtronic hmmmm You, just run yer mouth. Lol.
Many years in the boots and one of my favorite sayings was, "simplicity is genius and genius simplicity is never accomplish by accident". I coined the phrase but may not have been / likely wasn't the first to say it. "Keep it simple stupid" was the fraise the Army taught us long ago. Now I am old and everyone thinks I am mean and stupid for working harder than I should. Everybody is on the AI high now and some day they will all be enjoying fake lives, playing video games all the time and having fake relationships with fake people and never will they know the difference. Keep your head on your shoulders and never give the intelligent people the time of day or they will drag you into their fake reality.
Thanks for sharing this! Appreciate the view and comment!
@@oakiewoodsman I appreciate your video. Technology is not all bad but as you point out, technology sells products that may not be as practical. Mahindra sells a jeep knock-off that would be all over the roads if they could be purchased of the lot as a registerable vehicle. Many people would rush to buy throwback vehicles that didn't have any electronics or smog prevention accessories. The vehicles would still pass MARTA as long as they was maintained and they would cost at least $5k less. Also, the only way cars and trucks can cost so much as they do is to be financed by banks for so long. Buying my first vehicle on loan money, I learned that a bank wouldn't carry a note, longer than 2 years on a used truck or car and 3 years max for new. My 2021 model 3/4 ton gas truck costed what my first house costed and the bank was willing to loan 7 years.
I WANT a Roxor! I live in a state where it is pretty easy to make road legal. Thank you much!
@@oakiewoodsman I hope you get one. I want one too.
There is one with 32 inch tires on it and it’s the one with the good front end and I wanna say it’s like 12 grand. 😉 even knew I feel like the pricing is actually pretty good on them. People like to compare them to a side-by-side and I suppose you could do that because you could use them on a farm property but I can tell you that the turning radius is terrible in a Roxor. They are just a really neat simple vehicle and I would love to someday on one.
Good info/opinion, that's all it is, and I love Stihl saws. People will still make their own decisions for their situations. I've also "seen the light" regarding battery chainsaws. They are not now or likely even soon to replace the big gas saws used by many professionals, but they certainly have their place. For the residential user with an occasional downed tree and other small tasks they're ideal; quiet, light, convenient, and capable.
Great comment! People are silly about things. For example, many would say they would never run a saw less than 70cc and you shouldn't either. That is a silly train of thought with a one track mind
i have owned the 251C for 11 years used for storm damage and cleanup on my property. Overall the wheel adjustment worked good but I had some issues with the bar loosening and I didn't want to break the flip out handle. They made the same model with a standard setup with a screw adjuster and a single nut instead of the wheel adjuster. I just bought the new cover and the few parts and converted it. Its been a great saw.
Awesome comment! Thank you much!
I find it interesting how many people have issues with the Stihl flip caps. My MS251 was my first real chainsaw I bought new for myself from the dealer back in 2015 and I've never had an issue with the flip caps leaking. It needs a bit of a cleaning from sitting but it starts up every time I need it. Also, Guilty of Treeson has one of the newer electric Husqvarna saws that utilizes a clutch like a normal gas saw as a backup for when he's up in a man-lift cutting limbs. I find if you're never going out in the woods to gather firewood and you only need a chainsaw for small property cleanup battery is the best way to go. Aside from keeping it clean and keeping the chain sharp there's no worry of 2-stroke going stale from long term sitting. If it's a saw that falls in a yard tool line you're already part of even better because you'll have the batteries and charger already. :)
I've had my 251 c for about 10 years too, it's ridiculous how easy that thing is to start, and the simplicity of tightening the chain. It's insane how many hours I probably have on that saw. And flipping the bar is no big deal, I personally love the lockdown caps. A sharp quality saw that is well maintained will do the trick, and the rest is just personal preference.
@@theone4929 Mine is just the regular MS251, no start assist like the C variant. Funny enough the 251 wasn't my first choice. I saw Stihl had a sale going on for December of 2015 for the MS250 after Christmas. So I drove to the local Stihl dealer to ask about the sale.
Sadly the owner himself wasn't there and the younger fellow behind the counter filling in for him didn't know anything about the sale. So I just drove a few extra miles to the John Deere dealer and got the MS251 instead. That's all they had for similar saws. Everything else was either 35cc or big stuff I couldn't afford.
But it's turned out to be very reliable and starts when needed. I will say that the chain oiler is quite weak on it compared to other saws but it's not like you're going to run anything bigger than a 18" bar anyway. So that's more of a nitpick.
Speaking of yard work, I bought the Husky battery saw with the 'spensive batteries. Seemed silly at that point to not also grab the relatively cheap blower and trimmer that run great on those big batteries. I find now I'm only using the gas saws for felling the larger trees. Stihl makes a comparable battery unit, as well as a really nice and spendy one, but I found that one unnecessarily heavy.
@@kenbee1028 I need to clean it up. But I bought the 80V Atlas chainsaw from HF a while back because I already bought the weed whacker and push mower beforehand. I mainly bought it for using around the yard so I'm not making a lot of noise. If you need to zip off something quick you don't have to worry about it wanting to start. Just put a battery in and you're good.
Ive had my ms 251 for 12 years and love it. Great firewood saw.
My dad could no longer pull over saw cause he’s 83 years old so I bought him a ego chainsaw and it has been great. He loves it.
Perfect choice! Thank you for sharing!
my 026 044 caps work fine for many years . they just need a cap that goes over the threads or external on tank and internal on cap. o-rings been working fine for decades. good vidja my friend.
Would be great!
I enjoy seeing the different style of caps on the different saws
I thought it was a good comparison. I like simple. Flip caps are great and the simpler the better. The Husky ones are the best though.
This is why THIS channel is the next up and coming firewood genre channel. I look forward to seeing your evolution. Keep cuttin' brother!
Thank you Travis!
Yeah the leaking flippy caps drive me nuts! Ive bought new ones twice for my 250! I wish the battery stuff wasn't so expensive!
Ive had a 044 magnum for more than 20 years . Saw about 10 cords of wood a year. No leaks ever.
@RonaldSkancke Yeah this last time I got new caps they seem to be good now.
They had a recall on the caps.... and I agree... that battery stuff is insanely expensive!
I am on my second set of both the 180C and the 251C along with a 30 plus year old 311 and run the heck out of them. 80 years old now and still put up 20 cords of firewood a year, luv the C models.
I sure appreciate you sharing your experience. Love it when someone has a different view and shares it in a manner like you did yourself! Keep up the great work and again, I thank you for sharing and being here!
Husqvarna & Stihl make very good saws, seems most commercial users have them. But DYI homeowners and landowner too often overlook Echo, the Echo saws have extreme reliability, are rugged and generally light weight. I have a 4910, it is a cutting demon. It has a decompression button for easier starts. Once warmed, its one pull start all day long. The chain tightening screw on the side of the cover is convenient with a reliable simple design.
too bad the 4910 is no longer available. I wish they would have updated the 501p/4910 with the newer air cleaners. Thanks for sharing!
@@oakiewoodsman The 4910 has been replaced by the 4920, same displacement but power has been boosted, has a primer bulb, and I believe an upgraded air filter system. I looked at one locally, looks good, with nice improvements. I'm considering trading up.
It is not a trade up. It is a down grade because it is a clamshell saw. Echo has the best line up of non clam shell saws and it used to include the 4910. The features of the 4920 on the 4910 would make it a fantastic saw!
@@oakiewoodsman Not sure what you mean by a "clam shell" saw. Are you referring to how the plastic body is made? I admit not knowing about the body/frame technical features of either model.
Your 4910 is a magnesium case that houses the crank bearings and crank. It has a cylinder that bolts atop it via 4 bolts. A clamshell has a small self contained engine that sits on a plastic chassis. It retains heat, is hard to work on, heavier etc. Have you seen the video where I toured the ECHO factory?
I don't know hiw the MS251 and 250 compare. But ive had a MS251 for 12 years absolutely no issues. We cut 3 chords a year. I believe many issues are caused from a lack of maintenance and abuse.
excellent! Thank you for sharing your experience!
Yes for most home owners battery is better and they won't have fuel issues but they still have to keep the batteries up on charge and batteries are not cheap !
batteries are NOT cheap at all. Thank you much!
@garyalford9394 batteries are much much better than ever.
And will last for years if used daily.
I use them in my tree business.
My big saws for big jobs are monsters
What battery saws you using?
What then it burns down your gurage get real
@AndyGenova-jr9ol no different from the cordless tools that a majority have in their garages. Considering all the millions of batteries in existence, it is unlikely to actually happen.
I personally like the easy toolless clutch cover, But I do keep in mind to flip the bar over, I like it for thining where you have a brushcutter and a chainsaw whit you and you don't need to bring a scwrench and you don't loose bar nuts. Of course the clutch cover is on my battery msa 200, my favorite first thinning saw. And the argument to "you can't go and cut all day whit a battery saw'' is yes you can you need 2 batteries and a pwer sorce I use an power bank and it keeps me going all day.
Excellent comment! Thank you for sharing!
Great video Joe! I agree for a homeowner that is an occasional chainsaw user battery power would be a great option.
thanks Dustin!
Great topic Mr Joe.
Thank you Mike!
Another great informational video. We do not have Stihl in our lineup as of yet but never say never.
Would be good to do and see what you find.
I hate all the b.s. features, tool less, auto tune, 2V carbs. Finally a video about worthless features.
Has an old pro logger, it's all a bunch of junk for Sissy's
Thanks for the chainsaw wisdom Joe! Husqvarma has the cordless T540i and the T542i with a clutch, from my experience with the T540i, they are great, just keep the chain sharp!
Those clutch battery Huskys look super cool!
i had a sm211c that was great . started in one pull . Easy start took some getting used to tho!
Thanks for sharing!
I think you are spot on!
Thank you much!
I don't like the tool-less chain adjusters either. My V-Mod has some sort of spring assisted starting gizmo. Not sure to feel about it.
more complicated is what I think.
Interesting topic for sure Joe. Thanks for sharing. I have an electric saw for the very reason I cannot pull one over anymore. My back issues scare me out of trying again. Jason takes care of all the big stuff! I used to love running chainsaws in my younger days. We agree that less is more in the designs! Happy New Year! 🎉✌️🇺🇸🇨🇦🍻
better to be safe than sorry when it comes to that. I overdid it trying to split some green sycamore last year. That was before I had a splitter and it was a fun video to make. The only problem is that I inured my back and it seemed SO easy to make it hurt again. I have been very leary of swingin an axe since then. I need to get back into doing it a bit.
@oakiewoodsman just take it easy and remember to engage your core! It is the only thing that helps me. I had surgery in 2017 and my physiotherapist saved my life!!
Great to hear!
New 540t with the clutch is hands down the best battery saw on the market.
Awesome! Thanks or sharing!
I like the husky caps also. Those hand easy chain tension weird things, no thanks.
And you have both! Thank you much!
@@oakiewoodsman no, my 250 is two bar nuts.
I was referring to the flip caps Kenny.
That echo battery saw cuts fast, but it lacks a lot of torque it tends to jam a lot
hmmm... I have found it to be the opposite. Thanks for watching!
The cap on the STIHL. In 40 years and generations of saws, I have only broken one cap which was not the saws' fault. Since then, I have carried a spare cap for years and never had it happen to date. Matching the right saw size for the right use and frequency is critical. Electrics will not work here with heavy use and sizes but may be good for the part time hobby owner like the 250 series.
Great comment! Thank you for sharing!
I think you can put husky flip caps on a 620.
I want to see someone make a beefy corded 5-6hp electric saw, they only make small cheap ones now. If you're cutting close to a house near a power outlet it would be sweet. The big powerful battery saws eat batteries, you dont get many cuts per charge.
The US military used to run big air powered chainsaws back in WW2 which was pretty cool. Of course not everyone has a giant tow-behind air compressor to run such a thing. :)
@nseric1233 yes, the husky flip caps work well on the 620p!
@Slane583 never heard of that.... NEAT!
@@oakiewoodsman Yup, I watched a video a few years ago of someone who had one. It was a big two-man style saw. It looked like something a platoon would use to clear large obstructions. It required a pretty good sized air source to work and wasn't super fast. But any chainsaw is faster than a hand saw any day. :)
Very cool! Thanks again!
I have had saws with the flip caps for many years ( MS460, 362), and while I view them as an unnecessary nuisance, they hold up pretty well. Of course, some people can break anything. The real answer is just to keep a spare cap in your tool kit. I have accumulated all of them...old Stihl ,Stihl flipcap, old Huskie, etc. Cause you could always lose any style cap in the woods!
great tip!
I have never seen a Stihl cap break like that from normal use. With that said I dont like them either. The Husky design is far better. I completely agree with you about the battery saw. It fits the niche for a person with physical issues or a homeowner that just doesnt want the hassle of mix fuel and storage limitations if not used in a timely manner. I like a purge bulb and wish Stihl had them on all of their saws. Husky does on their 500 series saws. It definitely makes cold starts alot easier vs having to pull 7/10 times to pop.
Thanks for sharing. I don't totally mind them but my MS460 is one of my best starting saws and it doesn't have one. Like it when they work like that. Simple is best.
I haven't had issues with Stihl's flip caps. Regardless, whenever my 171 decides to burn up, I'm going with an Echo or Husqvarna (in a much higher cc range).
My 170s don't have flip caps.
I bought a husky battery powered and there is a good amount of torque. In the motor, but bucking large timbers, you should have 3 batteries
thanks for sharing!
I love my Stihl equipment but, as I've gotten older it's harder for me to start gas powered equipment. I've switched to battery powered saws, blowers and trimmers. I went with Ego brand battery equipment. Gave all my Stihl stuff to my son-in-law.
I have heard some very good things about the EGO lineup! Thank you for sharing!
Interesting article. I've been a Stihl guy for 40 years, clearly Made in Germany, me and my saw. But jokes aside, what I prefer about Stihl over Husqvarna is first and foremost the internal brake bell, which saved the life of one of my machines. And secondly, I think the starting behavior is better with Stihl, especially the machines with M-tronic. I don't think there's much difference between the two brands. It's more a matter of taste.
Thank you much! The internal clutch is a REALLY good design if you pinch your bar in a precarious situation!
I HAVE 2 ECHOS AND 3 huskys that i use. never had a problem with either. great video
The 7310 is a sweet saw. I have a ported 572 and I like the stock 7310
NONE of them are built any different
But I LOVE Husky Lungs. i love the Cylinders and etc. Everything from Supermotos to… Chainsaws. Husky is Ferrari or chainsaws rn. Sorry. And Chevy owns aftermarket always has so Stihl is a ford, and Echo is a de-tuned base model Dodge.
I imagine Stihl's market research showed a demand for the C models. If that's not what you want, don't buy a C model. It's kind of like faulting an automaker for offering a convertible model. Yes, there are drawbacks to a convertible, but some buyers want one. I have 5 Stihl chainsaws, none are C models. I hate quick/tool less tension adjusters and front mounted tension adjusters; won't buy a saw with those.
I think people that want to buy a C model will do so.... I just want people to be aware.
I had a c model 211. When I flipped the bar I did the same thing you did…. 😂
My Dolmar 5105 had the ez start deal too. Was kinda nice as my 6 year old (at the time) could even start it…. Can’t figure out why on a 50cc saw imo….
BTW, I’ll send you my address so you can ship the 7310 to me 😂😂😂
Yes, those caps SUCK….
Batt saws are nice for around the house…
hahahahaha! I cannot believe you want one so badly. I really like it but I really like your 572 too! Thank you so much for watching friend!
@@oakiewoodsmanEven CATERPILLAR seen the light and got rid of the gas powered pony motor for a "Battery powered starter" on their Diesels, hahaha 🎉
The 250c are probably a home, owners saw I've run stihl,echo Johnson reds all in the logging industry
Correct. However they do see plenty of usage in the industry. Thank you.
I've had a 180c for about 5 years now and have run the snot out of it since. It fires up every time sometimes it needs a handful of pulls to start now, but for a $200 saw...its paid for itself. The bar adjustment is the worst feature, bad idea it feels cheap when tightening the chain.
Excellent! Thank you for sharing!
let me guess before u say it lol did the cap part pop apart? i know the older ones were made from 2 pieces for some reason
Fuel cap? If yes, ya it came apart but it was already damaged
Inherited a ms170 and ms250c when I bought my parents house. We cut 10 to 12 face cord a year. Ms 250 was fine but the c functions suck. I never seemed to be able to dial in the tension properly or tighten it enough. Also the easy start is ok but weird. Sold it before I threw it in my pond. Haven’t looked back since I bought my Ms 261 with mtronic. Kept the Ms 170 for back up and quick small jobs. Sometimes “keep it simple stupid” is just better.
I think you made a good decision for sure! I have never run the 261 but they look awesome, especially for how light they are!
Weight was exactly why I spent the extra money
the 261, 545/550XP really should be where most land owners ought to start in chainsaws.
I was a longtime Sthil user the noticed quality going down. Switched to Husqvarna and haven’t looked back.
You can look at it as quality, or you can look at it as they are trying to be the winner at making a super lightweight saw. I think that cutting the weight down on a saw has a couple advantages and disadvantages. First of all the cost goes up the strength goes down, but the user experience can be better until it fails right?
Pretty rare that a saw doesn't leak a little. Outside of brand new saws really. Hell my Husqvarna 555 the oil cap I guess vibrated off and dumped the oil down my leg felling an ash a couple months ago. I don't really buy the homeowner saws anyway to worry about some of these features. I do have a 250 though I have had forever. Can't remember the last time I even ran it. Never had much of a problem starting it. Usually just a few pulls and its running. I have had issues with some of these new electronic saws though like that 555. Damn thing runs when it wants to run. Have had it back to the dealer but still if you kill it, most the time it doesn't want to start back up after. I need to take it back to the dealer again thing doesn't even want to idle anymore maybe it just needs a whole new carb I don't know.
Interesting... I have never had a cap come loose that screws into threads. I have only every dumped stuff out of a STIHL where I though the cap was on and it wasn't. Normally, the caps tighten on me during usage.
Facts 👍🏻. And I have a Stihl
hahaha... Love it!
I bought a Stihl MS180C with Easy-to-Start and tool-less clutch cover when I tore my rotator cuff and couldn't start a conventional saw for about a year and a quarter. That was six years ago and it became my everyday go-to saw. Easy to start, lightweight, plenty of power for most chores. And my wife can start it! The tool-less clutch cover is not really a plus or a minus; I don't have anything particularly good or bad to say about it. It works just fine. But it's not the most amazing advance in chainsaw technology. So....would I buy another MS180C or MS 250C? I think so. I have absolutely no complaints. And the added ounces of the pull-start mechanism? I can't say I even noticed.
I'm not in a hurry to invest in a cordless chainsaw until they improve the lifespan of the batteries and reduce the replacement prices.
Excellent information. I really appreciate you sharing this information because it may very well be helpful to someone.
Stihl could come up woth a better design. Ive used that style for years. Usually dont have much issues with them but the husky style is better
I would be cool if they could come up with a better design that it in the existing holes that everyone already has.
I'm not a fan of the spring assist recoils or the tool less clutch covers, nor Stihls flip caps. I have ONE Stihl saw with flip caps that have not leaked yet in 2+ years but all others seem to get finicky after about a year. Sometimes replacing the o-ring fixes them.
Tho I'm a 2-stroke lover, I have to agree with you that if one truly needs the "easy" features, a good battery saw is likely a better option👍🏻
Thank you AP!
👍👍 I suppose there is a market for the “C” model or they wouldn’t sell it. There are a whole group of folks that probably would be better served with a battery saw, but are skeptical. The stihl battery equipment is going to be at a higher price point than the 250 series. Finally, there are some people that are very brand loyal and are only going to buy a stihl- so they get a 250C. I hear you……but different folks and their opinions and life experience make this world interesting!!
For sure! Thank you CF
I agree not to over complicate things also if you can't tighten your chain conventionally you got no business using a saw
I wouldn't say that. I would say you should learn how to do it.
So… Im a power-line-clearance Tree Climber
Been running Stihl TOOL-LESS caps forever. Had my leg SATURATED by the oil contents a few times by ground men passing me up a “fresh” fueled oiled saw.
Anything you need to know, Im yer guy.
You need to PULL the caps 1st; BEFORE you push the black part down. That will 100% fix the false-lock issue.
They need to be SEATED before you twist and because they ARE 1/4 turn, they can ride on top the fill neck and unless one first PULLS to double check, you dont know if it FALSE LOCKED vvv
I say FALSE LOCK because the match marks provided by Stihl, will STIHL line-up;) and the oiler cap will just be resting on top.. (glug glug is the sound;)
WAITING to completely saturate a Tree Climbers leg with the entire contents of the bar oil reserve.
Also, AFTERMARKET. Anyone complaining about FAST CAPS has prolly ordered the AFTERMARKET ill fitting ones and DO NOT GO BY THEM!!! DO NOT USE THEM.
Any Stihl parts: GO TO THE PARTS COUNTER, PAY MONEY. Get the-BEST quality parts, just like Toyota, OEM.
Aftermarket sucks. There is mo aftermarket. Even the g200 clone bushings wont hold up in a 200t.
hahahaha... darn oil down the leg! Thank you much!
You are going to make the Stihl fanboys real butt hurt with this video 😂😂😂😂
Nope Stihl guy here. I got 0 issues with video. I love my Stihls but some have flaws. In my opinion the 462 is the best all around saw very few flaws my next is 372 husky. They are perfect size (CC and weight) to meet my needs.
@@rogerstern2542 They are nice, but that tall cover over the upturned air cleaner...makes the saw look sort of like a conehead. But then that's not the first Husky to have a tall cover. If I'm not mistaken I think it is the only one in the 5 series.
@Idahoprepper71 it is interesting how many ppl think this was some sort of anti STIHL video. They cannot separate feature criticism of brand criticism. Thank you!
You need to get more than one battery. For time of use.
Would not be a bad idea!
Ive already see this first hand.
Use to run a fs130r weedeating a cemetery. Those things went 5 or 6 years. 8hr a day 5 days a week 8 months of the year.
In the past few years when they needed replacing we got 131r's.
Seen numerous blow up in just a couple summers. Changed the foam filter for paper that has to be replaced ($30ea) changed the throttle now theres no lock.
They are intentionally changing designs to keep their dealers busy. While also raking in cash on oem parts
These "pro" trimmers are made with platic cams. Youve got to be F-in kidding me 'reliability' and platic dont go together.
Oh and the zama carbs from china are trash they were good when made in tawian (or maybe it was korea)
interesting. Thank you
I agree the average homeowner who might cut up a small tree or three once a year or less electric is the way to go.
thank you much!
I been wanting the 43cc echo that they only have in Europe. they would sell a ton in usa
me too!
He is telling the truth about flip caps, if you can’t understand how to use them, by all means you should get an Echo/Husky
hmmmmm....
When it comes to the homeowner grade saws I prefer the Husqvarna, the Stihl homeowner saws feel very cheaply made “ To Me”
Never underestimate the power of brute force and ignorance!
The MS250C is an excellent saw for a smaller woman and I've had fantastic response from them in our agency with them.
The men in our agency have been know to break an anvil with a feather!
Good luck fixing the husqvarna ignition in the field? Nope dealer only software.
ummmmm..... you don't fix an ignition in the field. Are you talking about carb adjustments? First of all the dealer does not adjust the carb on M Tronic or AutoTune saws. They are designed to run at optimal performance and that yields cleanest emissions as well. Plus, the factory carbs are all pretty much limited anyway. I think you were a bit exaggerating with this comment.... but that is my opinion.
If the c stands for what you said then why isnt all that on the 400c it means auto carb
Check out the other explanations below. Beat conversations! Thanks for watching
I have husky flip caps on my Echos.
Thanks for sharing!
The complexity could go away for the most part. Leave them simple.
agreed!
A man must know his limitations.
hahaha
Did you really say ya never seen a c model or used and yet here you are an expert on them lol
silly
The two saws you have is basically the same saw. The difference being one is a basemodel the other has some added functions. Ms250 is the basemodel. The one marked 250c should actually be marked ms 250cbe. The c means comfort. The b is the tool less chain tensioner and the e is Easy2start. It doesnt say what spesific functions is part of the c branding, but that is probably why the one saw has the primerbulb. My ms250c should be branded ms250cb. It has the primerbulb and tooless tensioner and even a decompression valve but not the easy2start function. Does this size saw need the extra functions?? NOPE.
Thank you much for watching and writing all of that out. Hopefully others will read it rather than argue.
If you live in a area where your back yard is no longer then 200 feet to the back of your house buy a electric saw. Battery saws are only good for as long as the batteries are good. I own 4 gas saws and a electric saw for when I stack the fire wood. Due to work I have multiple 18 volt Milwaukee batteries and still would not buy a cordless chainsaw.
Battery powered saws are good for stealing wood.
JaJaJa. You made laugh. Happy new Year. From Costa Rica.
hmmmmmmm
If you need a saw, batteries are for phones and kids toys
no
I hate everything you said but I couldn’t agree with you more
hahaha.... special features are rarely the best option in my opinion!
There is nothing wrong with battery saws , most people hate on them and have never ran one of good quality like stihl , Husqvarna or echo !
I think most people cannot separate the forced agenda that IMO is about money and not the environment from what the tools are actually good at.
When saws set they don't run the electric models make more sense
Can be good for the right person!
Those are not Stihl caps they are chinese replacements the oem has lines on them
Really????
My Stihl oil and gas caps do not leak compared to all the caps on my Huskys, that all leak gas, they are the old style that you have to thread in.
awesome! Thanks for sharing!
Yeah I don’t like the C ‘BE’ models.
Back to the old adage stupid people shouldn't breed.
I do not think this is a relevant comment. No explanation, much to be interpreted. are you in agreement with the video or calling me stupid?
Battery powered outdoor equipment have the same issues as battery powered vehicles. Lithium is lethal to the environment, the batteries die extremely quickly in cooler (not cold) temperatures and won't even charge. Lithium batteries can not be recycled and is highly reactive with any moisture.
No fire department in the world is really equipped to deal with a lithium fire.
Battery powered outdoor equipment does have its place but it can not replace gasoline powered equivalents.
As for the junk they slapped on a lot of homeowner saws, yea it is junk! Older Echo saws are over complicated to work on (some generations) due to over design, the same as older Stihl chainsaws. They also often require proprietary fuel/oil lines that aren't readily available any more.
I hear ya on lots of what you said. I am going to say this..... most industrial production has been or still is rough on the environment. I don't like that either way. I do believe currently that battery stuff is worse for the health of the world and its inhabitants than 2 stroke stuff.... including oil drilling, production of tools etc over the battery counterparts.
I think that if we're truly concerned about impact, might we cut with man powered saws and tools? I personally will continue to use all options of tools and I cannot mentally go down into the weeds about different impacts this and that have. The reason is, when I do that personally, I go crazy without being able to make a good decision. Thank you as always!
I've had the ms250c for 12 years and only thing I've had to replace on it was chains and the fuel caps. I've cut hundreds of trees down with this saw and I still have it. It still works perfect so I'm debunking your BS.
What part? Fuel caps? I was talking about features that are unnecessary.
@oakiewoodsman you basically dogged a company because they put features on something to help make it easier for the unaverage joe. My stepfather was one of those that couldn't do alot of things. He could absolutely use the functions on this chainsaw because he was to weak to adjust a normal chainsaw. Them features are important for a person that does have problems. You're too ignorant to see. Otherwise you wouldn't be questioning it.
Apparently you didn’t watch the video. I mentioned a lot of what you said.
And I offered a solution
@oakiewoodsman I did. Maybe some people that would work for, but not for all.
I have heard that the MS250 is a piece of junk and are nothing but trouble.
I find that I hear lots of conflicting information over time.
The “C” stands for comfort? Somebody told you a story son, the “C” stands for carburetor….at least that’s what my certified Stihl dealer told me. With the wild success of the fuel injected 500i, all saws will eventually be fuel injected.
No it stands for comfort! Your certified Stihl dealer told you a story!
They all have a carb other than the 500 so if it was for carburetor they would all be a C
Stands for confort and one of the features is the easy way they start. You pull the cord up very easy and
let it go. The saw star on the cord way down.
@@horaciocastillo1435oh my goodness. The “C” means it’s an M-Tronic model in the gas powered saws. Without the C in the model number it’s standard carb. Yes, it does stand for “comfort”; but all of the M-Tronic saws just have a “C” in the model number. No C = no M-Tronic.
@@therealjohnsmith4811 Interesting this information. I was not aware of this feature. Have never had any
problem with my saw so have not even seen the carburator at this date. I guess the C is a package
of features. Still also mention of some improvement to reduce vibrationson the C models. Thanks
Happy new year.
Morning
Mornin
Morning Todd and Mike!
Ua i always buy pro model saws , better powerto weight ratio and no gimmicks designed to put saws in the hands of those who shouldn't be running saws and will probably hurt themselves.
This is nothing new with electric chainsaws even more unqualified people will be running them. McCullough had an electric start saw back in the '70s.
Absolutely no reason to buy a 250 when the 261 is a much better saw being both lighter weight and more power. 😁
If money doesn't matter . The 261 is a pro grade saw with a pro grade price .
@@Gordon_L and for a 50cc saw I luv all 3 of mine.
The 250 may be a "homeowner" grade saw, but it is one hell of a tough saw. One of the best saws Stihl has ever made.
@@joesimon544 ok 🤪
@iffykidmn8170 pretty significant price difference though. Not everyone needs a pro saw. I often say, anyone with property should be looking at a 545, 550XP or 261CM at a minimum. One of the most useful tools out there!
ALL flip caps are crap and unnecessary. No one ever complained about the old style caps in the past and failure was practicably non existent other than the occasional seal. I could not believe it when Husqvarna introduced theirs. Yes the Stihl caps are the worst by far, but the Husqvarna ones are also a pain.
I am not on the same page but... the cool thing is that you can put non flip caps in a husky if you so desire I do believe. The standard 372 ones I think.
@@oakiewoodsman I believe so, my 372 still came with the standard caps, last one before they switched to the flips. Got to change the ones on my 440, will find out then for sure.
The 372XT saws still sold still come with the basic caps I believe.
Stihls quality n cc' has really been crappy since 2012 I repair them so I know everybody is cheesing out sad!!! Not just stihl
Thanks for sharing. Is it quality or pushing the limits in weight and/or power?
Battery saws don’t last 2 seconds… only good for cut the odd thing!!
I go 4 miles one way to cut my wood and do a cord each time. I have to lmao thinking of cutting a cord of ash or hackberry with a battery power saw.
@Treeboyltd fully disagree!
@RonaldSkancke why would consider using the wrong tool for the wrong job. Let's say you have a Toyota Corolla that you drive everyday to work because you are using a sufficient tool for the job but then someone says, I drive a peterbuilt everyday for my tasks.
Do not like that c model saw
Thanks sir!
@oakiewoodsman anytime
I will take a Stihl any day over any saw out there you can find faults with any saw if you look hard enough
This was not a video about all STIHL saws. This was a video about poor ideas and gimmick upgrades.. We cannot do anything about the Stihl caps though.
Ok.. we get it. Somewhere at some time a Stihl fan stole your woman...
silly
First video of yours I've seen. You were doing ok until you pulled out that electric junk. That shot your credibility all to h**l.
Then you didn’t listen to all of my disclaimers for the electric sensitivity that exists out there. If you notice I did my best to explain this was not an agenda. If you do not recognize the validity of different designs and tools, then I trust you just still be using a bit and brace and you really ought to be hand sawing everything and pulling logs with mukes or horses. I do not intend on being disrespectful but your comment shows you haven’t thought out your response or listened to what I said. If you did, you then failed to recognize that there are many people that a battery saw is perfect for. If you also look through the comments you will see others that were not initially fond of the idea but after they were out in a position where they couldn’t use a 2T saw , trimmer or blower, they tried and found they could still have the ability to still get some work done outside. I would ask you to reconsider your emotional statement and think about the logic that you were in agreement with. I didn’t say anything extreme. I love my big ported 2 stroke saws. Be safe and hope you understand.
German saws are just like German cars. Overpriced, over engineered and unreliable. Echo/Shindaiwa are the best.
I prefer bridge and Stratton over Kohler engine as well
I agree we love our echo and shindawa saws. They are fantastic products.
I wouldn’t say the entire stihl brand is bad, I’ve used alot a home owner saws and pro saws and the pro saws are significantly better than the home owner saws, yes they’re more expensive but that’s how they are priced, I haven’t had any problems with my 362C however I keep up with maintenance and service it when it’s needed. Proper maintenance can go a long way.
@@therealjoey724yea but a 362 is an $800 saw.
You can get the same cc in an echo for sub $400. Or splurge for the pro echo version still come in $200 cheaper than the stihl= steal your $
That is YOUR opinion. Fact is, just like Ford Chevy… and Dodge..
The big 3 is the big 3 with the chinese clones catching up fast. And better. (Carb > EFI)
Echo is the most de-tuned, from the factory. And Husky, the Sweede is more like Ferrari of Modena. And Stihl a pos BMW UNLESS its an M model.
Same same. Ask an engine guy that knows.
My Chainsaw channel would feature saws in contest and THEN I would measure the squish and PORT TIMING of the two. Like a 55Rancher, and a 026RL or 261m …like I have. Ooohhh a 026 Red Lever on a Mtronic??
Or an 020 jug, on a 200t, with 201t Mtronic hmmmm
You, just run yer mouth. Lol.
The c stands for crap
nah....... just convoluted design
Sure now talk about how Husqvarna does all this but even worse. God Husqvarna is trash
I can't wait for their fuel injected saw and my wife needs a new sewing machine to.
@ishure8849 are there any valid rumors about an inject Husky?
@@oakiewoodsman Not that I've heard
ok... I hadn't heard either. Just checking
Let's hope not @@oakiewoodsman
I want one of those electric saws,10 HP 36"bar 🤣🫡
They are coming!
@@oakiewoodsman 👍🍻
👍🆙️OW
thanks buddy