How to fit a Tubular Tyre, the Easy way
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- Tubular Tyre Easy fitment
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Having tried both the tape and glue, I prefer the glue. Removing the old tape residue is very difficult where as old glue can be glued on top of as long as it’s not dry or contaminated. Gluing is pretty easy in my opinion. A layer on both the rim and base tape of the tire, let it dry, then another fresh layer on each, mount, install wheel on bike on workstand, partially inflate, straighten/true tire, inflate to 100psi, leave for 24hrs, and done. Goes relatively quickly after you’ve done several and get a feel for it.
Hi, had a question. So I had veloflex roubaix’s on for years no issues no flats or anything. Eventually they wore out and now no one makes them anymore. I got the pro race tours and they were great until I flatted the front then the rear got ruined by glass. I got some Vittoria rally’s as a quick cheap replacement but when I fitted them I’ve had really bad bump in my rear wheel. So much where it’s effecting my ride quality. Is this a tire quality issue or is it not seating properly on the rim or something? Any advice would be great. I put a brand new one on the other day and it flatted in the first ride maybe due to the bumping I’m not sure.
I have just placed an order for my first tubular wheelset. The Campag Bora One in 50mm rim depth and with the bright decals. I went for a brand new one, so not cheap at all, but sod it, I have always desired to have them, so there you go. 1260g as opposed to 1485g for the equivalent clinchers. I guess I will just make sure I ride the bike not too for from a railway line, so if I get in trouble I can always catch a train back home :).
Tubulars are really quite reliable, been riding and commuting on them for years. I have a old vid on my channel where i show you how to fold a tyre up so it fits in your jersey pocket.
I carry sealant and a spare tyre and pump but i rarely ever have to use them. They can get punctures but in general it is less than clinchers in my experience. No need to ride near the railway. Lol
@@waynosfotos Cheers. I had watched them all, before making the decision. Yeah, I will make sure I will apply all your advice, and will be alright after all :).
@@waynosfotos May I ask which tyres have you found the best and could recommend? The middle ground between speed and robustness/durability is what I am looking for. And in size 23, 25 max. as my Look 795 has a tight chain stay clearance and won't accept a 28. It's going to be a £100-£150 spend from what I can see, as I will need at least 3 of them, so I thought I better ask the expert than experiment myself.
@@82vitt i use Veloflex, they have a new range but i haven't tried as i have a stush of the old ones, still getting through them.
@@waynosfotos Ta. I went with Challenge Elite Pro eventually. All the Veloflex I can see available online have tan colour walls, which doesn't lend itself well to my little project haha. At £28 a piece they seem cheap compared to the more popular brands like Conti etc. too, but they also have only good reviews from what I can see.
Great tips! Just threw the pots of glue out the window. Using tape is a revelation!!! Out tomorrow to the LBS and buy some tape - brilliant!
Glue works fine, but messy
I’ve a triathlon (stop snickering 🤭) Felt B2 frame enroute. I bought some aluminum 30mm V hoops new at a great price...but a shop in Milan (local for me) has some cf 50mm deep ‘tubilar’ rims on sale...you just helped me decide to ‘roll’ with the cf tubulars!!! (1st time for me;-)
Go for it, it is just another tyre system. You cAn run veloflex, made in Italy. 👍
Hi! If I want to change tires before the race, can I leave the old tape? So that I don't have to re-glue it every time?
I would change the tape as well. I wouldn't risk old tape in a race. It is pretty quick to change.
@@waynosfotos you will have to buy a new tape every time.
perhaps in this case it would be more convenient to buy glue and use it when changing tires. is it possible to apply glue directly to the old tape?
I clean my rims and re-glue them once a year, usually before peak riding season. How do you remove the tape residue when you want to change tires? BTW I love my tubs! You can get a premium wheelset for a bargain price!
Want to know that as well
It's a headache when removing the residue left from previous glue...
@@AlaGamesMobile Use a heat gun set on low to melt the glue then use a PVC pipe roughly the same width as the wheel bed cut on an angle to scrape the melted glue out. It's fast and leaves a smooth surface for the next time you glue tires.
^this^ or use a rag doubled over.
I hit it with the heat gun then wipe it with the rag and finger. It removes most of the glue. I don't try to remove everything, just enough so it is even and smooth.
This allows a base to stick too.
Will you need to remove the tejp when you refit a new tube or can that stay?
You need new tape with a new tyre.
Aha… I tries this with Zipp 202, effetto maplriposa carogna 20mm tape and conti competition tubs - not working, when I almost get tube on and tried to get last bit on, I made a mess from tape (rolled it with tube), glue mess all over brake track and tape wasted. The issue is Carogna tape is ridiculously thick!
I will try again with generic Chinese tubular tape, its also 20mm but not near as thick as carogna, maybe mounting will be easier!
If fail again I will try narrower tape (maybe 16-18mm).
Has anyone mounted tubes with tape on 202s? What width tape do you use?
I'm trying to install Conti sprinter Gatorskin tubs on my bontrager Aeolus 5 rims and if I start from valve and try to stretch and work tire onto rim from both directions, I reach a point where I can stretch no further and the tub makes a straight line 6in from the rim. WTF you crazy German tire makers?
Ignore that comment. I'm a tub rookie who forgot to deflate tire before stretching onto rim. Duh. After eating humble pie for breakfast I'm going to get out on my first ever tub ride with my steel bike.
Amazingly enough, I have a video to make exactly on these tyres. So stay tuned for that one. Full installation of rear tyre.
@@waynosfotosI have a set glued up. Glued up about 3 years ago
Bike has been stored indoors. So no great heat or cold.
Think they'd be okay to ride?
Or start over.
Hello, I realise I am late to the party, but I have a quick question. Is there any value in injecting stans sealant as a preventative measure rather than as a puncture fix? I have tubeless tyres on the gravel machine with clincher wheels. It's a messy business to set up, but the sealant does a good job of fixing up a small hole with minimum pressure loss.
I'll give a shot, beautifully explained.
Right on mate!
I do not touch a tubular since 90s, if the tape was available at that times...
However it is not a case you are wearing that cap. Clement was the best glue for tubular.
I taped tubulars on my first race bike in 1962. Jantex!
That is the brand i use 👍 tried and proven tech
Thanks for the info on tape, I am going to try it. What's the best way to remove 20 year old glue from my rims? I've always had trouble gettin the old glue off. I'm rebuilding my old steel bike that ran tubulars.
Heat gun and a rag, but don't get it too hot and burn the rim.
I've heard that double face tape isn't recommended for use on track; that is glue is much more preferable. Agree? Pressure recommendation is much higher with tubular, why is it? What if you put less pressure? Finally, you shall take out some air when unused; why?
Glue is supposed to be ultimately faster. Due to tubulars feeling softer you can run higher pressures and also there is a higher limit to pressure for the tyre and rim. You can run tubulars at higher and lower pressures than tubeless and clinchers for racing purposes.
The best explanation👍👍👍👍
Man, I loved this video!!! ❤
i have tubular rims rn with 22mm width sixty six reynolds , will i be able to fit 25mm or 28 on the rims?
22mm is quite wide, so diffinitely. The 28mm might feel a little sqirmy but 25mm no probs.
how do you clean the remaing part of the tape when replacing tire?
Just pull it off, if it is still sticky on the rim, that will add more sticky to the adhesion. But of course all the tape must be removed or it will be lumpy.
I just got a pair of Dura Ace 9100 tubulars. They are 28 mm wide but I'm planing to use 25mm wheels. Will a tape 18mm wide work?
This is not ideal.
It will work but racing might be a wee bit risky as the curvature is different for width. So as the rim is so wide it is designed to a curvature for a wider tyre. As I said if you are just "riding around" or group riding fine, but if you are scraping pedals you may need a wider tyre to fit those rims.
@@waynosfotos according to shimano they fit from 23mm to 28mm tyres... But I'm wondering about how wide the tape should be
@@rarosarioc11 the tape will be fine, due to the pressure it gets squeezed across the surface. You will even see threads from the tape at the edges of the tyre over time.
Give it a try and let us (the community) know how it turns out👍
I haven’t done it, but if you cut tape long you can have those tabs out of rim without exposing any sticking bits of tape. Then you can move valve portion of the tire too. Hopefully :)
For alignment?
I know gaps can be left for easy removal etc, but i am not a fan. Just stick it all down i say.
@@waynosfotos just peel the top layer back and just cut the tape an inch short before applying...
I’ve got a bump in mine for some reason.
Hmm interesting, what pressure did you pump them too?
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Why do you prefer tubular over clincher? I've tried both systems and i stayed away from tubular as I thought the gluing process was just too troublesome until I found out that there's tape so I'm revisiting this option. Clincher I found have always been easy to maintain but I kept having this fear of pinch flatting them somehow.
Five reasons, i find them easier to mount than clinchers (with tape). Maybe i am just use to them, but that is what i find. Also there is no 100psi behind the brake track to have a clincher carbon failure with heavy braking, so i believe safer.
A lot Lighter.
You can also ride on a flat tubular, slow in a pinch, you can't with a clincher.
You can run the pressure higher and lower than a clincher. I have riden on 23mm 40psi no probs no pinch flats. I believe the design has a lot of advantages, lighter, safer and easier to mount, some may argue different, but that is what i find.
@@waynosfotos Thanks for replying! Guess I'm gonna go tubular when I custom build my next wheel set! Cheers!
By the way, when you have to remove the existing tubular tyre and put on a new one, do you remove the existing tape, clean the rim surface and then install a new one?
@@Jin_KX yep remove the tape, apply new tape. Nothing to clean as the surface is just a bit sticky, but does not build up like glue.
@@waynosfotos Ah that's what I was wondering, if the surface would still be gunked up like how glue was.. Awesome, thanks!
I have tried all of the systems and prefer tubulars by far for all of the reasons previously listed and they also feel so much better than the other ones!
Great video thanks for sharing! 3 questions for you.
1. What tub tape do you recommend?
2. If my rims have previously had glue can I still use tape? Just clean off all the glue?
3. Is it hard to get the tire off the rim if it needs replacing when you flat?
I use velox the Aluminium tape, they have a specific carbon one but it is heaps more expensive. I have used the standard one for years.
If they already have glue on use a heat gun and melt the glue, wipe with a clean part of the rag moving around and using a fresh part of the rag. You don't need to get it all off, just so it is smooth with a light film.
It is the same to get the tyre off the rim as glue. Rock the tyre till the tyre eventually gives way then just pull ot off.
@@waynosfotos cheers!
@@waynosfotos so last question. If I needed to replace my tire on the road would you use new tape or the one already on the rim? Do you carry spare tape with you when you’re on the road? Cheers!
@@danielandrews4435 no need to carry tape, the tyre pressure will keep the tyre fixed on the rim. Just don't scap any pedals, push in the corners. Then tape on a new one when home.
These are all the answers I needed thank you guys for being so informative
I got a set of tubulars handed down to me from a friend and needed some help with these exact questions
Is it possible to use Velox jantex competition (Alu) also for Carbon tubular wheels?
That is exactly what I use, use to have only one tape, then they split them in carbon and Alu different applications. But I use the Alu one on carbon. I know it says not too, but it works fine for me. But then I am not scrapping pedals. But for general use it is more than fine. Cheap to and one role does two wheels.
@@waynosfotos thank you. I will try. Great video by the way. I like watching these video’s here in Holland. 👍
What sealant you use: Vittoria Pitstop??
@@superwiers i use stans, add it through the removable valve.
Haven't had much success with those pressurized sealants.
@@waynosfotos 👍 great tip. Maybe you can make a video about the sealant. I thought Stan’s were for Tubeless not for Tubular.
Wayne. Why not do a video on tubeless tyres. Only about 0.1 percent of cyclists use tubs and they have a man to do this work ( pros). Tubeless is the way forwards but maybe this technology has not arrived in Perth yet. no
There is a number of reasons I am not a fan of Tubeless for road race bikes. So don’t review them.
It may be a good video, why I am not a fan, video. Thanks for the suggestion.
@@waynosfotos tubeless may seem a small step but it may actually be multiple steps onto the dark side for you. Wider rims, disc brakes, tubeless tyres with sealant, and punctures you can fix without getting the tyre off. All this with the prospect of only having 70 psi in the tyre. I can feel the angst coming on. Will make for an excellent video.
I have tried clincher, tubeless and tubulars and prefer the tubs from all by far, plus they ride so much nicer.
@@peterbee8892 I definitely like the roll of tubs over clinchers, and I run like 80-85psi in 700-23 clinchers. At the correct pressure for the roads, surface clinchers & tubeless are actually the same rolling resistance... disc brakes are a thing because companies didn't build carbon clinchers that were designed to manage heat from dragging on the brakes, not because they're superior