I was at the Calgary Expo where Wil Wheaton made those statements. I LOVED Levar Burton's response. "I've never &%^(ing liked you Wil. To tell you the gods honest truth, you were a pain in the ass. But I'm glad you're here. Because you're OUR pain in the ass."
Gates McFadden should be considered an Honorable Mention considering she was ALMOST lost. There was a lot of drama behind the scenes between Gates McFadden and Maurice Hurley that ultimately led to Hurley firing Gates following the end of the first season and replacing her character with Diana Muldaur's Dr. Kathrine Pulaski the following season. Fortunately they didn't permanently lose Gates because Hurley himself was fired from the role of Showrunner and replaced with Michael Piller, with this Gates would be rehired due to much fan demand as well as Muldaur not exactly fitting in with the rest of the cast and Gates would play the role of Crusher for the remaining five seasons and the subsequent four films.
Denise Crosby leaving TNG may have been tragic, but it opened the door for the greatness that is WORF. Honestly, those two were seemingly in situational contention with the writers for action bits.
Putting a full blooded Klingon in charge of the ship's security team. Klingon's are fiercely loyal to their commanding officers. Worf was fiercely loyal to Picard and Sisko.
Tasha was a very poorly written character just like Deana Troi who did nothing but state the obvious, too bad they didn't get rid of her also, or at least get her off the damned bridge like Patrick Stewart suggested.
Yar's death never bothered me. Sometimes people are killed in the line of duty suddenly with little to no warning. Not everybody gets a death scene like Kirk in Generations
Very much so. A recent novel has a wonderful scene in which a super-soldier/ninja type is carrying-out a stupendous raid-cut short by a stray bullet from J. Random Minion.
The character's death bothers me more now than it did then - because now I know it was for such a dumb reason as them not appreciating their fuller cast. Frankly the actress behind Diana Troy should have made a run for the exit door as well. They gave her a lot of scenes, but the character was treated as eye candy rather than a serious bridge officer.
@@arcady0 Troi was quite plain and ordinary, to be honest. No matter how pretty they made her hair or how tight they made her uniform, her character was simply not very attractive (or likeable, or useful) eye-candy. I think Trek would've been better without Troi and her mother.
The problem with the Wesley Crusher is that the writers initially wrote him as nothing more than an irritant to Picard and Riker. They wrote only a couple of good stories for the character and couldn't seem to get the mother/son dynamic quite right. The writers learned their lesson and did a great job with Jake Cisco's character as well as with the father/son releationship on Deep Space Nine.
I absolutely loved the episode when the Doctor was downloaded into Sevens *ahem* cortical implant, and he would take over her *ahem* implant at times. Jeri Ryan did a fantastic job imitating Robert Picardo. They played off each other so well! I would LOVE to see them meet up again in 'Picard'.
There was that time when CBS or Paramount, or whoever was running Star Trek at the time sued its fans for having pictures of their starships on fan pages. Before they won their lawsuit Star Trek fandom was world wide with a Star Trek club in almost every town in North America. Star Trek was much larger than Star Wars. After that, the clubs withered away. They all removed the images, as ordered, and never went back.
Didn’t mention that Berman and his team also blocked Wil Wheaton from doing a film by saying they needed him for an upcoming episode, only to come to filming and Wesley was barely playing a part. It’s not just Wil Wheaton wanting a career in films and making a bad decision, it was also treatment by Berman and his team.
Yeah Berman was a total prick from all the stories and rumors. Honestly its a wonder he hasn't been Weinsteined if even half the stuff about him is true.
Berman and Braga were both scourges of the industry, taking after Roddenberry. Ultimately I think those two are responsible for torpedoing Star Trek altogether.
@@dieseljester They never even concealed the fact that they couldn't care less about Trek continuity, coherence and canon. They must love post-2009 Trek.
Yeah I was sad Carol Marcus (Alice Eve) didn't make it to permanent Star Trek crew. She was fun, and from outtakes she had fun too with the cast. Agreed: not a good move to let her go.
Even if NBC hadn’t rejected “The Cage”, Desilu Studios would have “lost” Jeffrey Hunter, because his wife and agent were determined he was going to be a film actor, not a TV actor. And, just to remind you-the whole “too cerebral” story was Roddenberry’s invention to cover the network’s actual concerns about (a) his emphasis on sex (Orion slave girls, etc) and (b) him pushing his mistress into the role of Number One. NBC didn’t come to the Star Trek pilot blind: they forced Desilu Studios to make The Cage because they thought it was the hardest of the three scripts available, and that Desilu genuinely wouldn’t be able to do it. That they had managed to produce something reasonably OK, was considered remarkable, and sufficient motivation for a contrite NBC to give them a second chance... For more info, see “Inside Star Trek”...
@The Critic Supposedly NBC was more uncomfortable with the married Roddenberry's mistress being a major character on the show. Had it become public knowledge, it could have tanked a show they were about to spend major money on acquiring and producing for air.
You asked for any you might have missed. Ensign Ro (Michelle Forbes) was a powerful character performed by a powerful actor. It was her decision not to reprise the role, but it didn't hurt her career. It was a terrible decision for Star Trek though. Ro was a really cool character with a lot of potential depth. Forbes was chilling in her performance on Battlestar Galactica: Razor.
I read last week that William Shatner is now 90 years young, and has just finished another movie! This was a really great top 10 ... So much sadness and odd decisions which happen behind closed (sliding) doors that we only get to hear about much later. Nice work @TrekCulture
Men have been "eye candy" my whole life. From the 80's action stars, to AJ Kapa in Riverdale who gets undressed more then the rest combined. The only difference is men don't complain, and women wouldn't listen if they did.
@@Reggie2000 Chris Pine actually called out this disparity on the Graham Norton show, saying in the same breath that he didn't mind. But it was obvious it annoyed him.
@John I noticed that. Thought it was his goofy accent at first (like saying a fall led to the "deaf" of Jeffrey Hunter), but then I realized it was probably a deliberate pun.
I watched TNG when it came out, before the interwebs. I had no idea one was supposed to dislike Wesley and thought he was a fabulous character. I liked all his episodes. I loved it that he was so smart, and I rooted for him. Then along came the interwebs and it appears most people didn't feel that way. Pity. I thought he was a great character, and really well acted. Will was playing against some very talented actors and he matched their talent.
I just recently watched tng for the first time. And there were some random wesley saves the day moments but he was mostly a cool character who actually got character development. And lets be honest other charakters had way worse "lets randomly safe the day" moments like trois powers which always did what the plot needed or Data getting all kind of crazy abilities.
I watched the first episode and did not come back to the show for about 3 or 4 years. The 5th season "new baby" (to save the show) was in the opening episode ha ha. And I hated Q. Totally unlikeable character (maybe the actor because he was unlikeable in Stargate as well). I love a good bad guy - he was not it. 😎
@Liver Success Regarding the episode "The Game," the part that was shocking to me was when his character's mom, Dr. Crusher, forced him to play the "Game" against his wishes. I didn't feel that Wil Wheaton's character was annoying. In fact, the most annoying character was Q, played by John DeLancie. The Q aliens apparently did not seem to understand that the real mission of Starfleet was to discover new civilizations, and they sometimes behaved like the Vulcan overseers of Starfleet in ST Enterprise: they were concerned that humans weren't ready to face the unknown. No? Then how do they explain the fact that the Enterprise was out there, and so was the Federation and Starfleet? Frankly, his species, a bunch of magicians snapping their fingers to make things happen "just like that," were the most annoying, along with the Hirogen hunting race on "Voyager." Another terrible decision made by the ST studio execs was not doing enough for Reggie Barclay, played by Dwight Schulz. Dwight appeared in several episodes of "Voyager" and constantly tried to get Counselor Troi to convince Admiral Paris to use a new method for communicating with Voyager. What's with higher-ranking military officers that they don't want to risk making unusual decisions such as using new methods? Are they really fearful of being the bum rather than the hero? And why isn't Reggie Barclay a higher rank than Lieutenant after all that time away from the Enterprise on ST TNG he's now with Starfleet Communications or Engineering HQ in that beautiful building in Paris? With that innovative communication method that worked for Voyager, he should have received some sort of commendation from Paris and a recommendation for promotion to Lt. Commander. As for Richard Herd's Admiral Paris, were his appearances on "Voyager" before or after his cameo appearance on the first episode of "Seaquest"?
@@BigJeremyBeyer I agree that adding Ezri's character was a good move. Her complicated relationship with Worf, who was struggling with his grief, made for an interesting story.
I would say Ezri's character didn't really get much development at all, and the actress just didn't seem right for the role. She was also all Ezri and no Dax. I _wanted_ to like Ezri, but man, what a pale shadow compared to Jadzia.
The way the actress, who played Dr. Marcus in _Star Trek: Beyond,_ has her hair styled is reminiscent to that of Dr. Dehner (ST: TOS 'Where No Man Has Gone Before').
That was a striking haircut Elizabeth Dehner had. I was wondering whether that had more to do with Kellerman herself than the actual haircut and judging from other things she appeared it's maybe more of the former.
When Wesley Crusher left Starfleet with the traveler, he went back in time, changed his name and became a scientist in the small country town of "Eureka", as well as hanging out with Sheldon and Leonard. When that got boring, he returned to the future, changed his name again to become a business mogul in "Dark Matter".
Lol u no av watch eureka a couple of times an ownly just realised that he was in it with u saying that lol. don't no if it just me but eureka went a bit boring after the time travel in the 3rd season to me it seem like all the plot an story of the character fell apart after that and just seem like thy where making up as it went on
Refilming the original pilot might have cost us Jeffrey Hunter... but without it, we'd never have had the Shat, who (regardless of people's opinion of the man himself) became the emotional core of the show in a way few other actors could.
@@yobogoya4367 I agree that "The Cage" does rank among the best Star Trek episodes ever. But you didn't find anything of value in episodes like "Errand of Mercy", "Balance of Terror" or "City on the Edge of Forever"?
@@marquisofcarrabass I've been struggling to find the correct wording here. Because it is not my intention to insult anyone's taste here. I did not find the episodes objectionable, or poor in quality...I was simply bored. Maybe burned out from binge watching the episodes leading up to the ones you mentioned. I just rewatched Errand of Mercy, and have come to the conclusion that I must've slept through this one as Netflix soldiered on, because I don't remember watching it before. It was a decent episode. I guess the fact that TOS was the 4th series I watched from start to finish, instead of the 1st, might have had something to do with it. The episodes seemed to be ideas redone in a later series. Watching the same ideas roll through using older film making technology could have been a contributing factor. I was born in 1981, so by the time I was of Star Trek watching age, TOS was already off the air, and my father was into watching TNG. The series I watched from start to finish were in the following order: Voyager TNG DS9 TOS It was quite possibly the fault of DS9's Trouble with Tribbles crossover that got my hopes unreasonably high lol.
@@yobogoya4367 I was neither insulted, nor upset; and likewise, I was not trying to upset you! I would not describe myself as a major Trek fan, and I fully believe that there's plenty of worthless dross across the whole franchise. That's my opinion; I posed the question because I was curious about your tastes and opinions. I think you are right, what you think about each part of the franchise does depend on when you were introduced to it. I have a soft spot for TOS likely because I was introduced to it in the 70s when my age was in single figures (and it was, of course, the only one). My children love the 'Kelvin-verse' reboot movies; I found them dull and obvious. Thank you for your comment, though. It's nice to meet someone who wants to engage in measured debate rather than immediately reaching for the flamethrower.
Jeri Ryan's performance, along with that of Robert Picardo, were the saving grace of the wooden cast of Voyager. Robert Beltran gets an honorable mention.
Beltran deliberately started giving more "wooden" performances from season 4 onwards because of how the series moved away from him, Robert Duncan McNeil and Ethan Phillips to focus more on Ryan for the "sex appeal". Beltran knew he wouldn't get fired, so his acting was more of a protest against Rick Berman.
Consider, according to an interview, that she had to fight for dialogue and things to actually act, as she was originally conceived as "eye candy only", and was, understandably, rather dissatisfied with that. But her own will and power, she turned her part into the easily best character and performance of the whole thing.
Interesting that the two characters who are not really considered 'human' (a hologram and a cyborg) turned out to be more human than the rest of the cast.
Wesley Crusher should have been portrayed more like Jonathan Brandis on Seaquest DSV. The relationship between Captain Bridger and Lucas was respectful and interesting, rather than confrontational like Picard and Crusher.
Agreed. I also think that Picard's relationship with Wesley was strained because Wesley blamed Picard for his father's death aboard Stargazer, and because Picard couldn't handle kids aboard the ship, which was why he assigned Riker that job.
Anyone think it's odd that the Next Generation's USS Enterprise which is a warship carrys children and has a school? It's like finding out HMS Queen Elizabeth has a creche... I mean what kind of society deliberately takes its children into battle?
@@fus149hammer5 Au contraire, Enterprise-D is a Galaxy-class starship that's built deliberately large to carry crew members' families. The underlying reason for the larger size is that Starfleet finally realized that crew members' families left behind while the ship undergoes its 5-year mission wasn't fair to the families. So, Starfleet Command decided to bring the families aboard ship, assign them family-sized crew quarters, and offer them schools for the kids to learn about the Federation, its adversaries, and its alliances. How do I know all this this? Because I've read the novelization of ST TNG's first episode, "Encounter at Farpoint," by David Gerrold. Although you're correct that no naval vessels owned by any of the world's powers would deliberately permit its officers and crew members to bring their families aboard ship, that's how things operate in the diplomatic service: Ambassadors are encouraged to bring their families to their postings so that the kids can have the advantage about learning how the host countries handle their affairs by offering the diplomats' kids opportunities to learn the language and culture in the countries' schools.
@@shepwillner7507 So what you are saying is that in the future it's acceptable that children are put in harms way? So as the Enterprise is just one of dozens of similar star ships crewed in the same manner I assume hundreds of children including babies were killed at Wolf 539. I There is an outcry now about child soldiers being forced to fight so if in the future humanity knowingly puts innocent civilians in the firing line we obviously hadn't advanced very far.
I don't blame Wheaton for not wanting to be typecast. He was young and trying to find more career options. The show only lasted three more seasons, so he there for most of it.
Arguably Wheaton went on to greater post-Trek fame than anyone else from TNG except Stewart. Frakes is probably also more successful that Wheaton, but mostly as a TV director. Whoopi Goldberg and Levar Burton are probably more famous that Wheaton, but mostly for what they did before TNG.
Yeah I think being known as the bratty kid kind of saved his Trekkie fame. He would of been just a forgetable face if he staid around. But knowing he was the punk kid who left, and yet failed at a movie career made him stand out. Plus lets face it if he stuck around he would of likely been type cast. Rare is the child actor who moves on to something else after being famous for one TV show for years.
I really wanted to see Kirstie Alley become a regular in the Star Trek movies. I thought they were grooming here as a replacement for Spock because Leonard Nimoy didn't want to do any more.
I liked her portrayal as Saavik more realistic. The novel chr.was said to be 1/2 Romulan-only because she was born on a Romulan world when Spock discovered her. By "ST:3", that chr. was dropped and Robin Curtis had to play her best as she could.
Alley may have overplayed her hand by (allegedly) demanding that her fee be higher than that of De Kelley for "3". Alas, the resolution of it proved that no cast member is indispensible 🎥😎
I've always felt she played as a Vulcan better than most others who' have picked up the role. Spock and the guy who played his father are the best, but Saavik was a good runner up.
I was disappointed that she didn't remain in the crew for the rest of the movies. I would have enjoyed the dynamic between her and Nimoy and the Enterprise could have done with another prominent woman.
May be an unpopular opinion, but I'm glad she was never seen again in Star Trek. She represents just about everything Star Fleet fights against and it would have ruined the entire concept to see her pretend to be Star Fleet. For contrast, it warms my heart to watch someone like Terry Ferrell (Jadzia Dax) because she embodies Star Fleet principles so the acting comes with a sense of real honesty.
What always bugged me about the exit of Will Weaton as Wesley Crusher was the episode itself. In Journey's End Wes is thinking about leaving Star Fleet and one of the factors is the vision quest that had his father Jack basically telling him not to follow in his footsteps with Star Fleet. However, the person how helped Wes start his vision quest, Lakanta, was actually the Traveler in disguise and Wes NEVER questions whether or not it was his father or the Traveler that encouraged him to leave Star Fleet.
That was not the episode he left, the episode you are thinking of was a few years after Wes left, and near the end of season 7, he left in "Final Mission" in which he, Picard, and one other person crash-landed a shuttle on a desert planet and had to survive until they could be rescued, complicated by the fact that the only water they could find was behind a forcefield they could not penetrate, he had a few appearances after that, including "The Game", "The First Duty" and the aforementioned "Final mission", he even showed up at Riker and Troi's wedding in "Star Trek: Nemesis", but left as the main character in season 4
That was Kirstie Alley’s first movie. Forget about Summer School, Cheers, Look Who’s Talking 1 and 2 or all that. She had no business asking for that much money. She was untested
What did you think of Robin Curtis as Alley's replacement as Saavik for the "Search for Spock" and "Voyage Home" movies? BTW, if you have ever wondered about Saavik's backstory, I recommend reading the ST TOS novel "The Pandora Principle".
@@kingborg4343 I met her at a convention in Atlanta and though she was quite sincere. While she wasn't a sci-fi follower, I felt she did the best she could under the circumstances. I guess I can't blame her for giving up acting and going into real estate. Sometimes, you realise your heart isn't in it and leave. I wonder if that's what happened to Jolene. I had such hope in her and enjoyed seeing T'Pol, but feel she let her fans down in one sense, but having kids can change one too. Just as well, Scott would rather go back to rebooting "Quantum Leap" than reprising Cpt. Archer. Guess we "Enterprise" fans will have to stick to watching DVDs and reruns unless someone writes a better story (w/o JJ Abrams recasting the crew after "QL" ends; by that time, the actors will be able to say they are too old).
Whenever I've seen interviews with successful actors talking about their careers, they all seem to emphasize one thing: Always take work because you don't know when the flow of work will dry up. This is why I've never understood actors leaving a Star Trek series over money or what have you. Once you're in the Star Trek family, you work a lot and then you go to conventions where you get paid. This is especially true for someone like Chris Pine or Zachary Quinto. William Shatner started at 35 and was 63 years old when ST:Generations came out. Chris Pine would be a fool to walk away from a gig that recurs for decades. He may be a leading man now but he's over forty years old now and that ain't gonna last much longer.
@@brandonlink6568 What would you propose instead? The TOS and TNG actors who aren't dead are old. DS9 & VOY were set in the same timeframe. The purists didn't like ENT or Discovery and everyone seems to have panned Picard. I happen to like the JJ Verse. It gives us fresh stories with familiar characters who are young enough to be believable. The chemistry between Pine, Quinto, and Urban makes me feel right at home. It's an alternate timeline as opposed to a "reimagining" like BSG, which I also enjoyed. The purists better figure out what they want or learn to live with what they're given lest they end up like the Andy Griffith fan club, watching fifty year old reruns over and over. BTW, I'm old enough to have watched TOS in its first run. I'm just happy to get any new ST whenever or wherever I can, even if it does violate canon from time to time.
@@TXKafir I don't have an answer, Star Trek caught lightning in a bottle thanks to a combination of their actors, writers, show runners, production company, the network, and luck. I just don't see that happening to the current generation of Trek, I don't see a Roddenberry figure fighting for it and a studio willing to take the same kind of chance with him. The new stuff is more like a flash in the pan than an eternal flame. But only time will tell, no one thought Star Trek would be what it is today 50 years ago.
@@brandonlink6568 Roddenberry's son is involved in it but you know how second generations go. I also think Brannon and Braga were not good stewards of the franchise. A lot of people are just wanting to make a quick buck. I am hoping JJ is not like that.
Thank you to all the fan films on UA-cam . I miss coming home to a new episode of Star Trek Continues... CBS should have hired Vic ... They all nailed it
Gene Roddenberry saying there will NEVER be a series set at Starfleet academy lead to the lost of a LOT of great actors who canonically are now teachers there (not to mention Westley or later Icheb could have been the inroad to that show)
@@theresemartin7930 Depends on when they set such a Starfleet academy series. Voyager got back to Earth at the very tail end or just after the Dominion war and Nog was a full ensign by that point.
@@DocWolph actually, Nog was a Lt at the end of the war. His promotion was Sisko's final act. He signed it before dying, but Nog wasn't told until after.
@@petemarqdadon Rick Berman constantly wanted a bimbo on DS9, so he tried to turn Dax into one, bluntly telling Farrell repeatedly that her boobs were way too small and her hair didn't make her look sexy enough, etc. He even got wardrobe to test wonderbras on Farrell that were intended for women who had lost their breasts to cancer. Weird situation. I suggest you look up the the story.
Yeah and it was similar with Marina Sirtis on TNG, who once joked that Troi's capabilities were directly linked to her amoint of cleavage. And it persisted on to Jeri Ryan, who actually declined the role of Seven of Nine three times, before accepting. The amount of development and actual storylines for Seven were mostly thanks to Jeri, who didn't want to be just the "Borg Babe".
The alternate time line episode with Tasha Yar was one of the best in terms of writing and characterization. Definitely a better proper send off for Tasha than how she originally went out.
@@arcturionblade1077 The exit did leave an empty feeling. I'd like to feel departures are artistic decisions (such as too much overlap between Yar and Worf) but they very rarely are as was the case here. I'm glad they gave her more work. If we leave the Worf/Yar problem aside, I feel certain the show runners would have given her some good episodes if she had continued with the role.
It is rather cool that the show they brushed aside is now the show everyone is looking most forward too. Here's to Captain Pike and to having women on the bridge!
@@sam21462 Yeah, especially Majel Barret playing Number One in the "The Cage," Parts one and two. BTW, if you're interested in why Number One was called Number One, the answer can be found in the ST TOS novel, "Vulcan's Glory", which also explains how Spock and Scotty came aboard Enterprise in their jobs as Science Officer and Engineer, respectively.
In the scene she is kinda emphasising her femininity to the lustful Kirk. A kinda set up on flirting as she is keen on him - you always argue with the one you love.
The hatedom thrown at Wil Wheaton was terrible... he was a KID doing his best with the material given to him by the writers. I actually was happy to see him on Big Bang Theory as “evil Wil” who eventually reformed into a nice guy.
It's embarrassing as a fan to see how other fans act sometimes. Particularly when kids are involved. Jake Lloyd, for instance. I mean he was a kid kid. Like 10. The fanbase was fucking vicious to him. Shame.
@@TheCripsys Agreed 1000%. In the prequels you've got the likes of Liam Neeson, Ewan McGregor, Natalie Portman, and Samuel L. Jackson - yet Lucas *still* gets some real clunky emotionless acting. It's obviously not the actors, it was the writing and directing.
yes a JJ star trek muh krew muh krew muh krew lens flare flare flare fire everything no matter the tactics Kirk would really use. Im still pissed 😡 the Kirk fire everything Maneuver!
I always hated the dangling stories left from TNG (remember Conspiracy?). Wesley Crusher's ending story was one of lamest. It was due to the writers. Let us get attached to the characters, give them great stories, and if they need to be taken off, give them a good conclusion and a fitting end. Make the actors proud of the work they've done, and if needed...Give us proper goodbyes.
"Conspiracy" was originally supposed to be the culmination of a plotline about an attempted coup within Starfleet, but it was decided that it had to be some external parasite rather than corrupt officers. The thread was then picked up in the next episode "The Neutral Zone" with the mysterious destruction of outposts intended to introduce the plotline for season 2 showing the "real villain" of the series, but the writer's strike resulted in TNG instead adapting some unused scripts from the unproduced 70s series. They finally picked it up with the Borg in "Q Who" who by that point were nothing like the insectoid species and they barely mention the events of season 1 whatsoever.
I think Denise Crosby got the BEST send-off of all the Star Trek characters. She died the sudden unexpected death that you would think a security chief WOULD receive. No stupid heroics, none of the overplayed save-the-ship self sacrifices we've seen a million times. Skin of Evil was one of the very best Season 1 episodes. Faint praise, I know, but I'll take it. On the other hand, Wesley's sendoff is so paint-by-numbers heroic (and horribly written) that it's tiresome from the moment they crash on that planet. All the expected beats that even an annoying character gets. One of the worst episodes of Season 4.
@@ianwestc I agree with you in regards to Crosby, everyone wants a grandiose played out goodbye, to a main character, but that is exactly how Yar would want to die, on a unknown planet, as part of the away team, trying to save part of the crew. Or as Worf said it “a honourable death”. I’m Glad you see it that way as well
I actually met Kristi Alley in an elevator, and she was with some big wigs: I blurted out "I loved you on Star Trek!" She smiled and thanked me. What a shocker!
When the writers don't like a character, it never "progresses" and is easy to discard. It's an old story in TV series. Famous examples are Richie's brother in "Happy Days," Elinor Donahue in "The Andy Griffith Show," and Ellen Foley on "Night Court." When someone like Berman doesn't like you for whatever reason, they have ways of getting rid of you regardless of anything you do.
A couple of old-timers told me Jeffrey Hunter's wife made things difficult. Science fiction as a genre was derided and looked down upon. So she effected a number of diva-type demands on how he'd be lit, etc. I thought this played into why the show didn't try harder to keep him.
There was Genevieve Bujold, french canadian actress, who was first cast to be Cpt. Nicole Janeway. She would have been more Picard-like, but she left because a series is more tiring than movies. Instead, Kate Mulgrew came to the rescue, who did a wonderful job, but was more Kirk-like. Which raises the question: when will we get a Picard-like captain again?
I can see that they wanted to keep Kes since Seven's talents could fit Kim's role. Of the two, I would have kept Kes based on role even though I liked Kim better. Sad, but Jennifer Lien struggled for years afterward.
Kes was clearly the weakest character in the series in terms of story lines. She probably could have been written out even sooner. The producers had wanted to write Sarah Silverman's Rain Robertson character into the show in the first third of season 3. That would have required writing out at least one existing character. Guaranteed Kes would have been the first to get the axe. Lien struggled in Hollywood because of the behind the scenes reason for her being the one cut. Her substance abuse problem and it's causing her to be less than prepared for her day job.
It made sense for Kes to leave since that species had a very short lifespan of only a few years, so it was no surprise to me they let her go, they actually planned on getting rid of her character from the beginning and the short lifespan was a backdoor they could use if nothing else did.
@@JohnFourtyTwo They planned on the show lasting seven seasons. like TNG and DS9 did before it. That's well within the lifespan of Kes' Ocampa species. Which was about 8 to 9 years, maybe a bit longer. Well within the expected life of the show. Had they ever gotten around to make Voyager films, that might have proven problematic.
Was surprised the video didn't mention the downfall of Jennifer Lien after the show. She basically turned into a jail bird and was arrested multiple times on a variety of charges. That is putting it mildly.
I really think her being fired destroyed her mental health. Being fired over beauty pretty much 😢. I always found her voice to be extremely soothing. Janeway had the strong voice. Kes had the sweet voice. I've struggled bad with mental health and dealing with the law. I truly feel for this women. Luckily I've been able to grown and handle my emotions better. Pretty much any UA-cam video that mentions Jennifer Lien has a comment from me😄. I've heard her son is an actor on Disney channel or one of those kids channels 🤔? Not really sure? Either way is fans would love to hear from her in any way. A video, audio message, even just a letter to the fans would be great.
Roddenberry being against the inclusion of a robot like Robby in the movie that inspired ST Forbidden Planet "lost" Robert Kinoshita in the sense that he wasn't commissioned to make a suit like he did for the B9 in Lost in Space. I've never understood how the Federation got by without something like droids polishing the floors in all those wide lobbys and meeting rooms you see at Starfleet HQ.
I'm very happy Wil Wheaton has become the Star Trek ambassador of late (with the Ready Room series). His honesty and openness about mental health issues has likely helped others cope with theirs. He is very earnest and genuine. I hope one of the various new series can find a fun and proper way to fit him into an episode or two, something that will finally do justice for Wesley.
Surprised and sad that Will Wheaton suffered from depression. I remember him tweeting once that Felicia Day showed up unannounced to his birthday party with a life size darlek as a gift and I never wanted to trade places with someone more in my life
It wasn't until I saw _The Guild_ that I stopped hating Will Wheaton. Yeah, I know, it wasn't his fault that the writers made Wesley Crusher such a smarmy, annoying puke. Tough being a child prodigy; too smart to hang w/ the kids, but none of the adults can treat you as an equal because you're still a snot-nosed punk. I can't imagine what stunted lives the writers must have led that they couldn't write a smart-ass kid properly. Wesley should have been getting dressed down by Picard every other week & only been given the benefit of the doubt because Jean Luc remembered what a hellion *he* had been...
In the summer of 1982 I did a Star Trek convention in San Francisco that featured Kirstie Alley. Star Trek II had just been released to positive reviews. Unlike todays conventions where guests talk to a large group and then runaway and hide, Kirstie sat at a table in the dealer's room the whole weekend. When times were slow i'd talk to her about Star Trek and such. We got around to talking about a sequal to Kahn and I asked her how many films she'd signed on to do. She laughed and said "One. I'm going to take them to the bank." We finished the weekend and I saw her again about a year later. I know nothing about the actual negotiations. Just that she wasn't in Star Trek III.
and thst sums up the story: she thought that she was bigger than everyone else thought and got bitten by it hard. if not for cheers she’d end up being forgotten
@@IronMan3582 I think it's more accurate to say it's a damn shame Twitter pushed him to take a moral stand on continuing to support their cesspool. I miss those tributes too, but they fit in a time before Twitter became toxic garbage.
Thank you so much for mentioning Jennifer Lien 🙏. She's my favorite character on Voyager. I'd always thought that her race the Ocampa should have been elaborated on more. Her powers were evolving so much being out in space. My friends and I always said her race could've had an awesome backstory. The Ocampa and the Q both emerged from the same area of space. The Q went into space. The Ocampa went underground. Just my own fan fiction 😌.
@Brandon Schneider Just musing, as a fanfic writer myself... I wonder what they could have done with Kes, though. She was a great character, but she literally wouldn't have aged well, with an Ocampan lifespan. I guess they could have extended her life, but they would have almost had to do that with her family and extended family, as well, at least until the Ocampan genes were tempered enough by other species to compensate... Interesting.
Alice Eve is perhaps the smartest and wittiest actor to have ever been a part of the 'Trek' thing. That she was disenfranchised speaks to a strange and convoluted non-audience series of choices.
I think that Denise Crosby made a serious mistake in regards to how she left TNG, instead of Tasha Year being killed off she should've left at the end of S1 just like Crusher did then there would've been the possibility of War returning in a later series just like Crusher did.
@@teabearchurchill5600 If she could've toughed it out I think it would've been better for her in S3 also IIRC Roddenbery had been effectively pushed out by the time S3 came around. Now as for Uhura Nichelle Nichols almost left the show but you know what kept her in? Martin Luther King Jr. paid her a visit and basically told her to stay on in the show.
@@teabearchurchill5600 "Every Trek show has taken the first 2 seasons minimum to really find the Voice that suits them best. " At least in 1987, that wasn't true. TNG was the second Star Trek show (animated series doesn't count) period, and I think almost every Star Trek fan would agree that the first two seasons of the original series were better than the third. With the utter chaos that was the writers' room and executive team of TNG, there wasn't really any reason for a cast member to hope that it would get better. The thing that saved the series was Roddenberry getting progressively pushed out of his own show, again.
But that wasn't a guarantee they wouldn't just kill her off either way. Terry Ferrell stayed through the end of the season and was still killed off. You could even argue they didn't kill Crusher because they already killed Yard and it wouldn't seem too depressing to kill two cast members in one season...and first season at that.
Fun Note: Terry Farrell who've went on to do "Becker" with Ted Danson in the first four seasons and replaced by Nancy Travis in its final two seasons until 2004 on the CBS Late Night Line-up.
Denise Crosby hardly was a "key player" and was a baby, expecting the show to pretty much leap to great things out of the gate. If she had stuck around she would've seen what she wanted.
and worf would have never been a major main character which would have made me happy as he was a pathetic excuse for a klingon and as a a starfleet security and tactical officer
Oh, so many losses. I have loved Trek since my dad introduced me to it in syndication in the early '70s, when I was young and impressionable (born May, '68). I truly loved several of these lost characters, and genuinely wept when they died, or were otherwise written off. Kess. Jadzia. Wesley. And of course, the real life deaths of various actors. The ones not mentioned? "Tora Ziyal," "Gul Dukat's" daughter in STDS9. Exploring her riding the species line, as Spock did, could have been fascinating. Her death, coming near the series' end, just seemed gratuitous. Next, Spock's parents: "Amanda Greyson" and "Sarek." Their lives and deaths, too detailed for a mere post, are a vital part of the deeply sapient meaning within this franchise. This is the mythology of our age. These are our Culture Heroes. These are our "morality plays." Remember, in season two of STNG, when that horrible doctor gave the nod for Riker to phase out of existence their fully-grown clones, because they believed their ownership of their stolen cells gave them that right? That was phoked up as hell. They treated it like an early-term abortion, since those clones hadn't yet been allowed to awaken, and their deaths were quick and painless. But. They were fully grown adults, capable of basic functions as soon as they were awakened, and their genes could have strengthened the society whose members had wrongly stolen what might have been given freely, if asked. I know I would give them a clone of me, to raise among themselves, beyond their needs, just to know, my life had a deeper meaning than most. And yet, it does not, in real life. I'm just some rando, getting by. But, can I be more? A part of me lives in their universe, knows them like a friend they never met, and feels a deeper purpose and meaning, translating over into our own universe, whereby I try to be the person I would be, if I were living there. Isn't that what religions are supposed to do? Inspire us, via exaggerated stories, to reach farther than our current grasp? To boldly go where no other has gone before? I ended up becoming several things, due to the influence of Star Trek morality: a Wiccan Elder Priest, an EarthKeeper, and a Vegan. Be well, live long, and prosper.
Tora Ziyal could have been a great character. I would have loved to have seen her replace the Dax character. Ezri was great. But to see Ziyal in the role, with her already established relationship with Kira, would have made a great dynamic story with her budding character development. Gone too soon. It was sad to see her death as the catalyst the drove Dukat over the edge. He didn't need much help to get more insane.
Do one about the fan films ! There are a lot of them out on UA-cam , some great , some good , some well it's the thought that counts , but they all deserve some love
And of course with Denise Crosby's exit paving the way for Michael dorns worf to do the very thing that she wanted Tasha to do... Ah show business a fickle mistress...
The departure of one or the other was necessary. If you look at the bridge crew dynamic Worf was basically a superfluous security chief even before he was officially in the role. That bridge wasn't big enough for the two of them.
@@josephsheranda Watching old Season 1 episodes, it was hard to figure out what Worf's job even was. Often he was doing the Wesley/Data job at one of the forward tactical stations, but sometimes he was tactical in the aft bridge, ehh.. he kindof bounced around and didn't have a clearly defined role. It was probably better that they just dropped the Yar character instead of replacing her, since they had too many bridge folks in general.
@@josephsheranda I forgot, Geordie ALSO rotated in that same group, at tactical / helm or aft. He wasn't chief engineer back then, so they were REALLY stocked with bridge crew.
The saddest part of the Denise Crosby departure, to my mind, is that, if she stuck it out past Rodenberry's tenure, she would have got what she - and all Trek fans who like ensemble depth - wanted. In later seasons, the series did grow to provide major story lines for characters outside the original leads, including Troi and Worf, another femail lead, and Yar's replacement as head of security. No blame, but, if only she'd been patient!
Likely why she returned for other guest roles through out the series. Yar could have been so much more but in hindsight Warf became a legendary Star Trek character and brought more depth to Klingons, and Crosby got to be another key Star Trek character upon return in Sela. So in the end everything worked out well IMO.
@@jamessackett9239 I don't disagree, James, but we have different preferences. Denise's returns (both as herself in an alternate timeline and as Sela) were, according to what I heard, a response to a huge call from fans. And - purely personally - the whole Klingon thread in TNG I find rather boring. Development of a character who grew up in a horrid world into better and better Starfleet officer - and a strong female lead in a traditionally male role - is something I really wish we could have seen.
Sometimes if doors have been closed in your face enough times, you get fed up. I loved her and wanted her character to be “out.” That was before Ellen though…
I've said for years, that TNG didn't get good until they killed off Yar. Ironic that after she left because they wouldn't expand on her character, they started expanding on more characters, including her replacement at Tactical...LT Worf.
I can remember watching perhaps the second episode of TNG when it first aired, with friends at college. When Yar got kidnapped, we all cheered and yelled at the captain to warp out of there! She was an awful actor and did nothing positive for the show. At the time we believed that she was only there because she had something over one of the show runners. Her reappearances later in the series for stupid reasons only seemed to confirm this hypothesis.
@@kuturisd Agreed, the alternate timeline with the Enterprise C, and the subsequent half-Romulan offspring versions of her weren't any better than her main appearances. Honestly, Yar's sister, Ishara; was a much better actor, character, and storyline for the 1 episode she was in, than all of Tasha's appearances in 31 episodes. They modeled her after Vasquez in Aliens, but instead of keeping her a butch badass throughout the show, she kept trying to way too hard be feminine (to the point where it felt unnatural and as a character assassination every time she flip-flopped), so her character had no established identity. That and every time she tried to be badass, it came out as being whiny.
I would have loved to have seen a Star Trek spin off about a driven, smart aspiring scientist woman Carol Marcus who longs for adventure being rescued during an off world expedition and going on an adventure kicking ass with Captain James T Kirk like Romancing The Stone meets Star Trek. Maybe with Danny Devito as a Ferengi? :D
I actually think Denise knew the character was extremely narrow opportunity for advancement as it was. Her acting was to good to be stuck in a dead end occasional story arc. And even then it was all limited. The best thing for her was to leave and then be rewritten with future characters in a stronger position. In the long run, it was much better for them both.
Star Trek 2009 lost me. It was like a bad fan film with a big budget. A few years ago my friend was moving and found a DVD of Into Darkness, still in the wrapper. Said, here, you might want this. I took it. Last year I found it, took it out of the wrapper, but even in pandemic unemployment couldn't imagine wasting two hours on it.
Rodenberry always had an Overinflated Opinion of Himself and his Abilities. It was nice to see the Movie Franchise demote him and Ignore a lot of his Meddling Eve did look good in that Underwear Scene
@@markfox1545 I was Educated in a Republican/Conservative leaning School District, so it is Natural that the Curriculum was Substandard, Limited, and Compromised...
Jeffery Hunter's wife was blamed for his departure, and it wasn't until the early '90s that she gave her side of the story. It was his talent agent that suggested he go full in with the movies. He had the 'leading man' qualities that was a 'sure thing' for big roles. Since there would be a gap in time while the show went back to the drawing board, a new cast was hired (such as 'Either the Devil leave the show or the Brunette/Number One'), etc., leaving at this time would been seen as the best time to bail out.
I'm a huge Wrath of Kahn fan, and I love Kirsty Alley's Saavik. I have always hated that she did not reprise the role and they should've just paid her the money to do it.
There is an interesting parallel between Will Wheaton heading out on his own and the unexpected change of destiny of his character, Wesley Crusher. Wesley was destined (and, by his mother and Captain Picard, for-ordained) to be the brilliant young ensign destined to achieve top success at the academy and go on to a brilliant Star Fleet career, presumably to become the next Kirk, Picard, or at least Riker. But the nebenmotif of the Traveler turned into a fascinating alternate future for Wesley. Brilliantly done!
I wonder what would have happened if Wesley gave the finger to Picard during "Journey's End" instead of just removing his comm badge from his uniform and tossing it on the table in the Observation Lounge. I would have done the same thing. I would have told him that "following orders" was how the Germans attempted to avoid justice at the Nuremberg trial after WW2 for war crimes.
I'm old (69) and these days I pay more attention to my motorcycles than my hormones (what's left of them lol) but that scene with Alice Eve in her under ware took my breath away. She is a well proportioned woman (at least in that movie).
I want to know more about Grace Lee Whitney and the backstory with her time on Star Trek,, and also Billy the silent bridge navigator who was in many episodes but never uttered a word,,,
I was at the Calgary Expo where Wil Wheaton made those statements. I LOVED Levar Burton's response. "I've never &%^(ing liked you Wil. To tell you the gods honest truth, you were a pain in the ass. But I'm glad you're here. Because you're OUR pain in the ass."
Much respect to Burton for saying it like it is.
@@syntaxusdogmata3333 He had to give him a read lol
Levar Burton's did well as a child's show presenter. he was badly cast as a blind what have you with a visor.
Gates McFadden should be considered an Honorable Mention considering she was ALMOST lost. There was a lot of drama behind the scenes between Gates McFadden and Maurice Hurley that ultimately led to Hurley firing Gates following the end of the first season and replacing her character with Diana Muldaur's Dr. Kathrine Pulaski the following season. Fortunately they didn't permanently lose Gates because Hurley himself was fired from the role of Showrunner and replaced with Michael Piller, with this Gates would be rehired due to much fan demand as well as Muldaur not exactly fitting in with the rest of the cast and Gates would play the role of Crusher for the remaining five seasons and the subsequent four films.
I simply HATED Pulaski. An overacting underachiever every single episode.
Also, Hurley and Roddenberry couldn't stand each other.
Pulaski didn't even get her opening credits mention, so I think they knew it wouldn't last.
@@BigJeremyBeyer She asked not to be in the opening credits.
@@DelcoRanz93 source?
Denise Crosby leaving TNG may have been tragic, but it opened the door for the greatness that is WORF. Honestly, those two were seemingly in situational contention with the writers for action bits.
Putting a full blooded Klingon in charge of the ship's security team. Klingon's are fiercely loyal to their commanding officers. Worf was fiercely loyal to Picard and Sisko.
She couldn’t act, so no big loss
Tasha Yar was a useless character, gratefully forgotten.
Tasha was a very poorly written character just like Deana Troi who did nothing but state the obvious, too bad they didn't get rid of her also, or at least get her off the damned bridge like Patrick Stewart suggested.
Worf as a tough security officer made a lot of sense. Denise could be tough also, but Worf is a fabulous in hand to hand combat.
Yar's death never bothered me. Sometimes people are killed in the line of duty suddenly with little to no warning. Not everybody gets a death scene like Kirk in Generations
Very much so. A recent novel has a wonderful scene in which a super-soldier/ninja type is carrying-out a stupendous raid-cut short by a stray bullet from J. Random Minion.
@Alec Grimes Oh My
@Alec Grimes Bro mad u?
The character's death bothers me more now than it did then - because now I know it was for such a dumb reason as them not appreciating their fuller cast. Frankly the actress behind Diana Troy should have made a run for the exit door as well. They gave her a lot of scenes, but the character was treated as eye candy rather than a serious bridge officer.
@@arcady0 Troi was quite plain and ordinary, to be honest. No matter how pretty they made her hair or how tight they made her uniform, her character was simply not very attractive (or likeable, or useful) eye-candy. I think Trek would've been better without Troi and her mother.
The problem with the Wesley Crusher is that the writers initially wrote him as nothing more than an irritant to Picard and Riker. They wrote only a couple of good stories for the character and couldn't seem to get the mother/son dynamic quite right. The writers learned their lesson and did a great job with Jake Cisco's character as well as with the father/son releationship on Deep Space Nine.
In ST Voyager the best moments imho are with the holo doctor and Seven of Nine. They were a riot together!
Their ‘You are my Sunshine’ duet was Classic!!
Even her scenes with the otherwise annoying Nelix were good
I absolutely loved the episode when the Doctor was downloaded into Sevens *ahem* cortical implant, and he would take over her *ahem* implant at times. Jeri Ryan did a fantastic job imitating Robert Picardo. They played off each other so well! I would LOVE to see them meet up again in 'Picard'.
I loved them together, great choice by the writers
@@jenniferbaldini3527 same here that would be awesome
Alice Eve's performance as Carol Marcus was very cool and she deserved to get called back for the third movie.
I thought her acting was about as wooden as a plank.
Dead fit though.
@@mrb.5610 of course you're entitled to your opinion...as I have expressed mine.
@@BadApe351 your expression was judging by your cock. They're hiring more bad actors base on looks and and boobs size. Might as well watch porns.
There was that time when CBS or Paramount, or whoever was running Star Trek at the time sued its fans for having pictures of their starships on fan pages. Before they won their lawsuit Star Trek fandom was world wide with a Star Trek club in almost every town in North America. Star Trek was much larger than Star Wars. After that, the clubs withered away. They all removed the images, as ordered, and never went back.
link?
@@u235u235u235 Are you asking for a url?
@@u235u235u235 i mean not everything needs a link, if you didn't live through something go look it up yourself
@@finthegeek it's not a requirement and was a request. he/she doesn't have to provide one. relax my friend. it's all good.
@@u235u235u235 Don't bark. "Hi, I'd like to learn more - do you have a link to something that covers this topic?" Nice.
Didn’t mention that Berman and his team also blocked Wil Wheaton from doing a film by saying they needed him for an upcoming episode, only to come to filming and Wesley was barely playing a part. It’s not just Wil Wheaton wanting a career in films and making a bad decision, it was also treatment by Berman and his team.
Yeah Berman was a total prick from all the stories and rumors. Honestly its a wonder he hasn't been Weinsteined if even half the stuff about him is true.
Berman and Braga were both scourges of the industry, taking after Roddenberry. Ultimately I think those two are responsible for torpedoing Star Trek altogether.
@@dieseljester They never even concealed the fact that they couldn't care less about Trek continuity, coherence and canon. They must love post-2009 Trek.
how dare they hold you to your contract and prevent you from going around behind their backs! shame on him!
@@Sonnabend00 Picture that on your box of Wheaties...
Yeah I was sad Carol Marcus (Alice Eve) didn't make it to permanent Star Trek crew. She was fun, and from outtakes she had fun too with the cast. Agreed: not a good move to let her go.
Even if NBC hadn’t rejected “The Cage”, Desilu Studios would have “lost” Jeffrey Hunter, because his wife and agent were determined he was going to be a film actor, not a TV actor. And, just to remind you-the whole “too cerebral” story was Roddenberry’s invention to cover the network’s actual concerns about (a) his emphasis on sex (Orion slave girls, etc) and (b) him pushing his mistress into the role of Number One. NBC didn’t come to the Star Trek pilot blind: they forced Desilu Studios to make The Cage because they thought it was the hardest of the three scripts available, and that Desilu genuinely wouldn’t be able to do it. That they had managed to produce something reasonably OK, was considered remarkable, and sufficient motivation for a contrite NBC to give them a second chance... For more info, see “Inside Star Trek”...
Roddenberry managed to stick two of the women he was cheating on his wife with into the series.
@The Critic Supposedly NBC was more uncomfortable with the married Roddenberry's mistress being a major character on the show. Had it become public knowledge, it could have tanked a show they were about to spend major money on acquiring and producing for air.
I think The Cage is one of the best episodes, rather than just “reasonably ok”.
@The Critic And regressed at the end of the series!
You asked for any you might have missed. Ensign Ro (Michelle Forbes) was a powerful character performed by a powerful actor. It was her decision not to reprise the role, but it didn't hurt her career. It was a terrible decision for Star Trek though. Ro was a really cool character with a lot of potential depth. Forbes was chilling in her performance on Battlestar Galactica: Razor.
I read last week that William Shatner is now 90 years young, and has just finished another movie!
This was a really great top 10 ... So much sadness and odd decisions which happen behind closed (sliding) doors that we only get to hear about much later. Nice work @TrekCulture
*calls Alice Eve underwear shot gratuitous, but uses it for thumbnail*
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Men have been "eye candy" my whole life. From the 80's action stars, to AJ Kapa in Riverdale who gets undressed more then the rest combined. The only difference is men don't complain, and women wouldn't listen if they did.
@@Reggie2000 Chris Pine actually called out this disparity on the Graham Norton show, saying in the same breath that he didn't mind. But it was obvious it annoyed him.
@@Reggie2000 Let's not even talk about boy bands, especially those who are often shirtless. Sex sells, it always has and it's true for all genders.
It got you here, didn't it? ;)
@John I noticed that. Thought it was his goofy accent at first (like saying a fall led to the "deaf" of Jeffrey Hunter), but then I realized it was probably a deliberate pun.
I watched TNG when it came out, before the interwebs. I had no idea one was supposed to dislike Wesley and thought he was a fabulous character. I liked all his episodes. I loved it that he was so smart, and I rooted for him. Then along came the interwebs and it appears most people didn't feel that way. Pity. I thought he was a great character, and really well acted. Will was playing against some very talented actors and he matched their talent.
I just recently watched tng for the first time. And there were some random wesley saves the day moments but he was mostly a cool character who actually got character development.
And lets be honest other charakters had way worse "lets randomly safe the day" moments like trois powers which always did what the plot needed or Data getting all kind of crazy abilities.
He was my age and I didn't care for the character, but he grew on me a little.
I watched the first episode and did not come back to the show for about 3 or 4 years. The 5th season "new baby" (to save the show) was in the opening episode ha ha. And I hated Q. Totally unlikeable character (maybe the actor because he was unlikeable in Stargate as well). I love a good bad guy - he was not it. 😎
@Liver Success Regarding the episode "The Game," the part that was shocking to me was when his character's mom, Dr. Crusher, forced him to play the "Game" against his wishes. I didn't feel that Wil Wheaton's character was annoying. In fact, the most annoying character was Q, played by John DeLancie. The Q aliens apparently did not seem to understand that the real mission of Starfleet was to discover new civilizations, and they sometimes behaved like the Vulcan overseers of Starfleet in ST Enterprise: they were concerned that humans weren't ready to face the unknown. No? Then how do they explain the fact that the Enterprise was out there, and so was the Federation and Starfleet? Frankly, his species, a bunch of magicians snapping their fingers to make things happen "just like that," were the most annoying, along with the Hirogen hunting race on "Voyager."
Another terrible decision made by the ST studio execs was not doing enough for Reggie Barclay, played by Dwight Schulz. Dwight appeared in several episodes of "Voyager" and constantly tried to get Counselor Troi to convince Admiral Paris to use a new method for communicating with Voyager. What's with higher-ranking military officers that they don't want to risk making unusual decisions such as using new methods? Are they really fearful of being the bum rather than the hero? And why isn't Reggie Barclay a higher rank than Lieutenant after all that time away from the Enterprise on ST TNG he's now with Starfleet Communications or Engineering HQ in that beautiful building in Paris? With that innovative communication method that worked for Voyager, he should have received some sort of commendation from Paris and a recommendation for promotion to Lt. Commander. As for Richard Herd's Admiral Paris, were his appearances on "Voyager" before or after his cameo appearance on the first episode of "Seaquest"?
Shut up Wesley!
Forever mad they wouldn't work with Terry Farrell. The whole last season of DS9 would be entirely different.
But we did get Ezri out of it, and I won't argue that.
Neither will Bashir, who finally got to nail Dax.
@@BigJeremyBeyer I agree that adding Ezri's character was a good move. Her complicated relationship with Worf, who was struggling with his grief, made for an interesting story.
@@BigJeremyBeyer I did like Ezri. I just wish the last season didn't have to spend so long fleshing out her character. She was fun though
I would say Ezri's character didn't really get much development at all, and the actress just didn't seem right for the role. She was also all Ezri and no Dax. I _wanted_ to like Ezri, but man, what a pale shadow compared to Jadzia.
She was good.
The way the actress, who played Dr. Marcus in _Star Trek: Beyond,_ has her hair styled is reminiscent to that of Dr. Dehner (ST: TOS 'Where No Man Has Gone Before').
There were early rumors to that effect, with Benedict Cumberbatch playing Gary Mitchell. That's the movie I wanted to see; not a Wrath of Kahn remake.
That was a striking haircut Elizabeth Dehner had. I was wondering whether that had more to do with Kellerman herself than the actual haircut and judging from other things she appeared it's maybe more of the former.
Dr. Dehner, Lee Kelso, and Gary Mitchell appeared as characters in the ST TOS novel "Strangers from the Sky."
When Wesley Crusher left Starfleet with the traveler, he went back in time, changed his name and became a scientist in the small country town of "Eureka", as well as hanging out with Sheldon and Leonard. When that got boring, he returned to the future, changed his name again to become a business mogul in "Dark Matter".
Lol u no av watch eureka a couple of times an ownly just realised that he was in it with u saying that lol. don't no if it just me but eureka went a bit boring after the time travel in the 3rd season to me it seem like all the plot an story of the character fell apart after that and just seem like thy where making up as it went on
all of these things you speak of are stories written by Gordie Lachance, the writer :D
During which time travel he ended up in that farm with former prostitute played by Sônia Braga?
He came back years later and rejoined Starfleet as a Lieutenant and attended his friends' wedding.
Refilming the original pilot might have cost us Jeffrey Hunter... but without it, we'd never have had the Shat, who (regardless of people's opinion of the man himself) became the emotional core of the show in a way few other actors could.
Yes, Mr. Shatner "ain't I something!" Capt. Kirk. Still, despite the many ego references, I've always like the character.
The original pilot is the only episode of TOS that I found the slightest bit entertaining. I watched the entire series, bored out of my mind.
@@yobogoya4367 I agree that "The Cage" does rank among the best Star Trek episodes ever. But you didn't find anything of value in episodes like "Errand of Mercy", "Balance of Terror" or "City on the Edge of Forever"?
@@marquisofcarrabass I've been struggling to find the correct wording here. Because it is not my intention to insult anyone's taste here. I did not find the episodes objectionable, or poor in quality...I was simply bored. Maybe burned out from binge watching the episodes leading up to the ones you mentioned. I just rewatched Errand of Mercy, and have come to the conclusion that I must've slept through this one as Netflix soldiered on, because I don't remember watching it before. It was a decent episode.
I guess the fact that TOS was the 4th series I watched from start to finish, instead of the 1st, might have had something to do with it. The episodes seemed to be ideas redone in a later series. Watching the same ideas roll through using older film making technology could have been a contributing factor.
I was born in 1981, so by the time I was of Star Trek watching age, TOS was already off the air, and my father was into watching TNG.
The series I watched from start to finish were in the following order:
Voyager
TNG
DS9
TOS
It was quite possibly the fault of DS9's Trouble with Tribbles crossover that got my hopes unreasonably high lol.
@@yobogoya4367 I was neither insulted, nor upset; and likewise, I was not trying to upset you! I would not describe myself as a major Trek fan, and I fully believe that there's plenty of worthless dross across the whole franchise. That's my opinion; I posed the question because I was curious about your tastes and opinions. I think you are right, what you think about each part of the franchise does depend on when you were introduced to it. I have a soft spot for TOS likely because I was introduced to it in the 70s when my age was in single figures (and it was, of course, the only one). My children love the 'Kelvin-verse' reboot movies; I found them dull and obvious.
Thank you for your comment, though. It's nice to meet someone who wants to engage in measured debate rather than immediately reaching for the flamethrower.
Jeri Ryan's performance, along with that of Robert Picardo, were the saving grace of the wooden cast of Voyager. Robert Beltran gets an honorable mention.
Beltran deliberately started giving more "wooden" performances from season 4 onwards because of how the series moved away from him, Robert Duncan McNeil and Ethan Phillips to focus more on Ryan for the "sex appeal".
Beltran knew he wouldn't get fired, so his acting was more of a protest against Rick Berman.
@@vaska00762 But he loved the episodes with fellow Shakespearean stage actor Ray Walston.
Consider, according to an interview, that she had to fight for dialogue and things to actually act, as she was originally conceived as "eye candy only", and was, understandably, rather dissatisfied with that. But her own will and power, she turned her part into the easily best character and performance of the whole thing.
Interesting that the two characters who are not really considered 'human' (a hologram and a cyborg) turned out to be more human than the rest of the cast.
I love watching Jeri Ryan, and couldn't care less what she says or doesn't say.
Wesley Crusher should have been portrayed more like Jonathan Brandis on Seaquest DSV. The relationship between Captain Bridger and Lucas was respectful and interesting, rather than confrontational like Picard and Crusher.
Agreed. I also think that Picard's relationship with Wesley was strained because Wesley blamed Picard for his father's death aboard Stargazer, and because Picard couldn't handle kids aboard the ship, which was why he assigned Riker that job.
Anyone think it's odd that the Next Generation's USS Enterprise which is a warship carrys children and has a school?
It's like finding out HMS Queen Elizabeth has a creche...
I mean what kind of society deliberately takes its children into battle?
@@fus149hammer5 As an Army veteran myself, that was my biggest question. My brothers understood. The civilians didn't.
@@fus149hammer5 Au contraire, Enterprise-D is a Galaxy-class starship that's built deliberately large to carry crew members' families. The underlying reason for the larger size is that Starfleet finally realized that crew members' families left behind while the ship undergoes its 5-year mission wasn't fair to the families. So, Starfleet Command decided to bring the families aboard ship, assign them family-sized crew quarters, and offer them schools for the kids to learn about the Federation, its adversaries, and its alliances. How do I know all this this? Because I've read the novelization of ST TNG's first episode, "Encounter at Farpoint," by David Gerrold. Although you're correct that no naval vessels owned by any of the world's powers would deliberately permit its officers and crew members to bring their families aboard ship, that's how things operate in the diplomatic service: Ambassadors are encouraged to bring their families to their postings so that the kids can have the advantage about learning how the host countries handle their affairs by offering the diplomats' kids opportunities to learn the language and culture in the countries' schools.
@@shepwillner7507 So what you are saying is that in the future it's acceptable that children are put in harms way? So as the Enterprise is just one of dozens of similar star ships crewed in the same manner I assume hundreds of children including babies were killed at Wolf 539.
I There is an outcry now about child soldiers being forced to fight so if in the future humanity knowingly puts innocent civilians in the firing line we obviously hadn't advanced very far.
I don't blame Wheaton for not wanting to be typecast. He was young and trying to find more career options. The show only lasted three more seasons, so he there for most of it.
Arguably Wheaton went on to greater post-Trek fame than anyone else from TNG except Stewart.
Frakes is probably also more successful that Wheaton, but mostly as a TV director.
Whoopi Goldberg and Levar Burton are probably more famous that Wheaton, but mostly for what they did before TNG.
@@jliller Goldberg is mostly known today for being that bartender from Star Trek who went batshit crazy later in life.
But Whil Wheaton is so great at playing RPG's based off of D & D rules!
And his acting in Stand By Me was perfection.
Yeah I think being known as the bratty kid kind of saved his Trekkie fame. He would of been just a forgetable face if he staid around. But knowing he was the punk kid who left, and yet failed at a movie career made him stand out.
Plus lets face it if he stuck around he would of likely been type cast. Rare is the child actor who moves on to something else after being famous for one TV show for years.
I really wanted to see Kirstie Alley become a regular in the Star Trek movies. I thought they were grooming here as a replacement for Spock because Leonard Nimoy didn't want to do any more.
I liked her portrayal as Saavik more realistic. The novel chr.was said to be 1/2 Romulan-only because she was born on a Romulan world when Spock discovered her. By "ST:3", that chr. was dropped and Robin Curtis had to play her best as she could.
Alley may have overplayed her hand by (allegedly) demanding that her fee be higher than that of De Kelley for "3". Alas, the resolution of it proved that no cast member is indispensible 🎥😎
I've always felt she played as a Vulcan better than most others who' have picked up the role. Spock and the guy who played his father are the best, but Saavik was a good runner up.
I was disappointed that she didn't remain in the crew for the rest of the movies. I would have enjoyed the dynamic between her and Nimoy and the Enterprise could have done with another prominent woman.
May be an unpopular opinion, but I'm glad she was never seen again in Star Trek. She represents just about everything Star Fleet fights against and it would have ruined the entire concept to see her pretend to be Star Fleet. For contrast, it warms my heart to watch someone like Terry Ferrell (Jadzia Dax) because she embodies Star Fleet principles so the acting comes with a sense of real honesty.
What always bugged me about the exit of Will Weaton as Wesley Crusher was the episode itself. In Journey's End Wes is thinking about leaving Star Fleet and one of the factors is the vision quest that had his father Jack basically telling him not to follow in his footsteps with Star Fleet. However, the person how helped Wes start his vision quest, Lakanta, was actually the Traveler in disguise and Wes NEVER questions whether or not it was his father or the Traveler that encouraged him to leave Star Fleet.
That was not the episode he left, the episode you are thinking of was a few years after Wes left, and near the end of season 7, he left in "Final Mission" in which he, Picard, and one other person crash-landed a shuttle on a desert planet and had to survive until they could be rescued, complicated by the fact that the only water they could find was behind a forcefield they could not penetrate, he had a few appearances after that, including "The Game", "The First Duty" and the aforementioned "Final mission", he even showed up at Riker and Troi's wedding in "Star Trek: Nemesis", but left as the main character in season 4
He was the worst character on the show and it was better without him
@@jonathandantonio649 He ought to have been a 'recurring' character from the get-go, instead of being portrayed as a 'Gary Su' (?).
@@terryforsdyke306 I am aware of this but I was talking about his final appearance in TNG not when he stopped being a regular.
@@jonathandantonio649 Troi was far worse then Wesley
That was Kirstie Alley’s first movie. Forget about Summer School, Cheers, Look Who’s Talking 1 and 2 or all that. She had no business asking for that much money. She was untested
What did you think of Robin Curtis as Alley's replacement as Saavik for the "Search for Spock" and "Voyage Home" movies? BTW, if you have ever wondered about Saavik's backstory, I recommend reading the ST TOS novel "The Pandora Principle".
@@shepwillner7507 she did it right! writing failed her.
@@kingborg4343 I met her at a convention in Atlanta and though she was quite sincere. While she wasn't a sci-fi follower, I felt she did the best she could under the circumstances. I guess I can't blame her for giving up acting and going into real estate. Sometimes, you realise your heart isn't in it and leave. I wonder if that's what happened to Jolene. I had such hope in her and enjoyed seeing T'Pol, but feel she let her fans down in one sense, but having kids can change one too. Just as well, Scott would rather go back to rebooting "Quantum Leap" than reprising Cpt. Archer. Guess we "Enterprise" fans will have to stick to watching DVDs and reruns unless someone writes a better story (w/o JJ Abrams recasting the crew after "QL" ends; by that time, the actors will be able to say they are too old).
Wheaton has made his way back into the franchise both as a character and a host. He’s been a gem.
And (trying to avoid spoilers) what a cool character! At least I thought so.
I’ve never come across “gratituous” before. If it’s an accident, it’s quite appropriate. If it’s a deliberate creation, it’s rather clever.
Exactly - was it a joke, or just a mistake? We may never know.
graTITuous... lol
A truly magnificent Freudian slipple.
Nice job, very good pacing. Great info and behind the scenes history that fills in some gaps. Enjoyed this!
When I saw Denisse Crosby on the final season of Suits it was like seeing a long-lost friend. She played a villain very well.
Also a cannibal on Walking Dead.
OMG! Of course that was her. Thanks!
Best as the blonde Romulan.
@@johnbuchman4854 And Data gets to use a Vulcan nerve pinch on her in "Unification, Part 2", to which Spock notes, "Not bad."
Whenever I've seen interviews with successful actors talking about their careers, they all seem to emphasize one thing: Always take work because you don't know when the flow of work will dry up. This is why I've never understood actors leaving a Star Trek series over money or what have you. Once you're in the Star Trek family, you work a lot and then you go to conventions where you get paid. This is especially true for someone like Chris Pine or Zachary Quinto. William Shatner started at 35 and was 63 years old when ST:Generations came out. Chris Pine would be a fool to walk away from a gig that recurs for decades. He may be a leading man now but he's over forty years old now and that ain't gonna last much longer.
That all depends if the JJ Verse has the same kind of staying power as regular Star Trek did, which I highly doubt
@@brandonlink6568 What would you propose instead? The TOS and TNG actors who aren't dead are old. DS9 & VOY were set in the same timeframe. The purists didn't like ENT or Discovery and everyone seems to have panned Picard.
I happen to like the JJ Verse. It gives us fresh stories with familiar characters who are young enough to be believable. The chemistry between Pine, Quinto, and Urban makes me feel right at home. It's an alternate timeline as opposed to a "reimagining" like BSG, which I also enjoyed.
The purists better figure out what they want or learn to live with what they're given lest they end up like the Andy Griffith fan club, watching fifty year old reruns over and over.
BTW, I'm old enough to have watched TOS in its first run. I'm just happy to get any new ST whenever or wherever I can, even if it does violate canon from time to time.
@@TXKafir Amen man.
@@TXKafir I don't have an answer, Star Trek caught lightning in a bottle thanks to a combination of their actors, writers, show runners, production company, the network, and luck. I just don't see that happening to the current generation of Trek, I don't see a Roddenberry figure fighting for it and a studio willing to take the same kind of chance with him. The new stuff is more like a flash in the pan than an eternal flame. But only time will tell, no one thought Star Trek would be what it is today 50 years ago.
@@brandonlink6568 Roddenberry's son is involved in it but you know how second generations go. I also think Brannon and Braga were not good stewards of the franchise. A lot of people are just wanting to make a quick buck. I am hoping JJ is not like that.
Thank you to all the fan films on UA-cam . I miss coming home to a new episode of Star Trek Continues... CBS should have hired Vic ... They all nailed it
Gene Roddenberry saying there will NEVER be a series set at Starfleet academy lead to the lost of a LOT of great actors who canonically are now teachers there (not to mention Westley or later Icheb could have been the inroad to that show)
A few semesters with Nog would have been great.
Don't forget Naomi. I know she's not very popular but I like her. I enjoyed her friendship with Seven. In a way, she help Seven become more human.
@@theresemartin7930
Depends on when they set such a Starfleet academy series. Voyager got back to Earth at the very tail end or just after the Dominion war and Nog was a full ensign by that point.
@@theresemartin7930 I actually hope Naomi makes a cameo or something in an episode of Picard at some point, alongside Tom & Bel'Anna's daughter....
@@DocWolph actually, Nog was a Lt at the end of the war.
His promotion was Sisko's final act. He signed it before dying, but Nog wasn't told until after.
In a bit of trivia guaranteed to make me feel old, Weaton is now older than Sir Patrick Stewart was when TNG debuted.
Oof, right in the birthday cake.
Patrick Stewart has always looked old, then and now.
Srsly!? JFC! That makes me older than him too! Wait...40-1987+70÷12=???
Yikes Sir Yikes!
Yes. That's how time works.
Terry Farrell didn't ask for time off. You could write a whole book about why she really left.
What was the real reason?
She left to do a sit com. Look at her imdb page
@@petemarqdadon Rick Berman constantly wanted a bimbo on DS9, so he tried to turn Dax into one, bluntly telling Farrell repeatedly that her boobs were way too small and her hair didn't make her look sexy enough, etc. He even got wardrobe to test wonderbras on Farrell that were intended for women who had lost their breasts to cancer. Weird situation. I suggest you look up the the story.
@@uzi_187 Sounds like Rick Berman needs to explain himself.
Yeah and it was similar with Marina Sirtis on TNG, who once joked that Troi's capabilities were directly linked to her amoint of cleavage. And it persisted on to Jeri Ryan, who actually declined the role of Seven of Nine three times, before accepting. The amount of development and actual storylines for Seven were mostly thanks to Jeri, who didn't want to be just the "Borg Babe".
Even if Crosby was removed, it didn't stop her from coming back in the alternate timeline Tasha and again as Tasha's daughter.
she needed the money and realized the mistake that she made, unlike others on the list
The alternate time line episode with Tasha Yar was one of the best in terms of writing and characterization. Definitely a better proper send off for Tasha than how she originally went out.
I was sooo excited when I saw her back! She was one of my favorite next generation characters!
@@arcturionblade1077 The exit did leave an empty feeling. I'd like to feel departures are artistic decisions (such as too much overlap between Yar and Worf) but they very rarely are as was the case here. I'm glad they gave her more work. If we leave the Worf/Yar problem aside, I feel certain the show runners would have given her some good episodes if she had continued with the role.
I'm so happy that Captain Pike has managed to survive into the greater Star Trek lore.
It is rather cool that the show they brushed aside is now the show everyone is looking most forward too. Here's to Captain Pike and to having women on the bridge!
@@sam21462 Yeah, especially Majel Barret playing Number One in the "The Cage," Parts one and two. BTW, if you're interested in why Number One was called Number One, the answer can be found in the ST TOS novel, "Vulcan's Glory", which also explains how Spock and Scotty came aboard Enterprise in their jobs as Science Officer and Engineer, respectively.
@@shepwillner7507 the cage parts 1 and 2?
Mean the menagerie ?
How good is "The Cage"? Still stands up today !
I just have to say, Carol Marcus in her undies is the absolute, best thing in that movie. Alice Eve looked amazing.
Agreed
In the scene she is kinda emphasising her femininity to the lustful Kirk. A kinda set up on flirting as she is keen on him - you always argue with the one you love.
Alice Eve is indeed amazing. And close to perfect.
The rest of the movie is shite.
@@vonnshlabbah She and her "dad" Buckaroo Bonzaii!
The hatedom thrown at Wil Wheaton was terrible... he was a KID doing his best with the material given to him by the writers. I actually was happy to see him on Big Bang Theory as “evil Wil” who eventually reformed into a nice guy.
It's embarrassing as a fan to see how other fans act sometimes. Particularly when kids are involved. Jake Lloyd, for instance. I mean he was a kid kid. Like 10. The fanbase was fucking vicious to him. Shame.
@@TheCripsys Agreed 1000%. In the prequels you've got the likes of Liam Neeson, Ewan McGregor, Natalie Portman, and Samuel L. Jackson - yet Lucas *still* gets some real clunky emotionless acting. It's obviously not the actors, it was the writing and directing.
Eureka helped redeem him with fans. He played a character that people were suppose to hate. It helped fans separate the actor from the character.
True, it wasn't his fault they made Wesley into the iconic little shit-stain he was. All the same, Wheaton is hardly without his own issues.
I only want to see new Star Trek if they keep JJ Abrams far away from it.
The lens flare count with JJ is off the charts crazy!
And Alex Kurtzman
Star Trek is dead, all Hail Orville!
@@CD-vb9fi found an idiot.
yes a JJ star trek muh krew muh krew muh krew lens flare flare flare fire everything no matter the tactics Kirk would really use.
Im still pissed 😡 the Kirk fire everything Maneuver!
I always hated the dangling stories left from TNG (remember Conspiracy?). Wesley Crusher's ending story was one of lamest. It was due to the writers. Let us get attached to the characters, give them great stories, and if they need to be taken off, give them a good conclusion and a fitting end. Make the actors proud of the work they've done, and if needed...Give us proper goodbyes.
"Conspiracy" was originally supposed to be the culmination of a plotline about an attempted coup within Starfleet, but it was decided that it had to be some external parasite rather than corrupt officers. The thread was then picked up in the next episode "The Neutral Zone" with the mysterious destruction of outposts intended to introduce the plotline for season 2 showing the "real villain" of the series, but the writer's strike resulted in TNG instead adapting some unused scripts from the unproduced 70s series. They finally picked it up with the Borg in "Q Who" who by that point were nothing like the insectoid species and they barely mention the events of season 1 whatsoever.
Apparently the insectoid species was supposed to work for the Borg, but that connection was never made.
There were beta canon books later that had those symbiotes as basically bad Trill, like the Tok'Ra to the Goa'Uld.
I think Denise Crosby got the BEST send-off of all the Star Trek characters. She died the sudden unexpected death that you would think a security chief WOULD receive. No stupid heroics, none of the overplayed save-the-ship self sacrifices we've seen a million times. Skin of Evil was one of the very best Season 1 episodes. Faint praise, I know, but I'll take it.
On the other hand, Wesley's sendoff is so paint-by-numbers heroic (and horribly written) that it's tiresome from the moment they crash on that planet. All the expected beats that even an annoying character gets. One of the worst episodes of Season 4.
@@ianwestc I agree with you in regards to Crosby, everyone wants a grandiose played out goodbye, to a main character, but that is exactly how Yar would want to die, on a unknown planet, as part of the away team, trying to save part of the crew. Or as Worf said it “a honourable death”. I’m Glad you see it that way as well
I actually met Kristi Alley in an elevator, and she was with some big wigs: I blurted out "I loved you on Star Trek!" She smiled and thanked me. What a shocker!
When the writers don't like a character, it never "progresses" and is easy to discard. It's an old story in TV series. Famous examples are Richie's brother in "Happy Days," Elinor Donahue in "The Andy Griffith Show," and Ellen Foley on "Night Court." When someone like Berman doesn't like you for whatever reason, they have ways of getting rid of you regardless of anything you do.
Elinor just disappeared without a trace, and the Sheriff never questioned it.
Hence Andy ending up with the teacher.
It never made any sense to me.
@@BigJeremyBeyer Well, the girl who replaced Elinor was dating Griffith in rl, which tells you how those things go.
@@james5460 they weren't dating at the time, that happened later.
When the writers don't like a character, but 99% of the viewers didnt like the same characters so who care ...tasha yar hahaha
10:38 "he spoke... at a convention appearance" wow that's the first time ever I got to watch a video like this and be able to say "I was there!"
A couple of old-timers told me Jeffrey Hunter's wife made things difficult. Science fiction as a genre was derided and looked down upon.
So she effected a number of diva-type demands on how he'd be lit, etc. I thought this played into why the show didn't try harder to keep him.
There was Genevieve Bujold, french canadian actress, who was first cast to be Cpt. Nicole Janeway. She would have been more Picard-like, but she left because a series is more tiring than movies. Instead, Kate Mulgrew came to the rescue, who did a wonderful job, but was more Kirk-like. Which raises the question: when will we get a Picard-like captain again?
Not in the current "Picard", at least.
Bujold was horribly mis-cast .. I have seen the scenes she filmed and Voyager would have been cancelled in the first season ...
I can see that they wanted to keep Kes since Seven's talents could fit Kim's role. Of the two, I would have kept Kes based on role even though I liked Kim better. Sad, but Jennifer Lien struggled for years afterward.
Kes was clearly the weakest character in the series in terms of story lines. She probably could have been written out even sooner. The producers had wanted to write Sarah Silverman's Rain Robertson character into the show in the first third of season 3. That would have required writing out at least one existing character. Guaranteed Kes would have been the first to get the axe. Lien struggled in Hollywood because of the behind the scenes reason for her being the one cut. Her substance abuse problem and it's causing her to be less than prepared for her day job.
It made sense for Kes to leave since that species had a very short lifespan of only a few years, so it was no surprise to me they let her go, they actually planned on getting rid of her character from the beginning and the short lifespan was a backdoor they could use if nothing else did.
@@JohnFourtyTwo They planned on the show lasting seven seasons. like TNG and DS9 did before it. That's well within the lifespan of Kes' Ocampa species. Which was about 8 to 9 years, maybe a bit longer. Well within the expected life of the show. Had they ever gotten around to make Voyager films, that might have proven problematic.
"Fury" was catharsis for Kes/Jennifer Lien! Really? I think it was more of a character assassination.
Honestly, I thought it was the episode when Kes finally got a case of space badassery. I hope Jennifer Lien has found some peace though.
@@catjudo1 last Google I did, I found out the good news: she’s not been arrested in the last 3 years, so there’s that....
Was surprised the video didn't mention the downfall of Jennifer Lien after the show. She basically turned into a jail bird and was arrested multiple times on a variety of charges. That is putting it mildly.
Liked Lien.
I really think her being fired destroyed her mental health. Being fired over beauty pretty much 😢. I always found her voice to be extremely soothing. Janeway had the strong voice. Kes had the sweet voice. I've struggled bad with mental health and dealing with the law. I truly feel for this women. Luckily I've been able to grown and handle my emotions better. Pretty much any UA-cam video that mentions Jennifer Lien has a comment from me😄. I've heard her son is an actor on Disney channel or one of those kids channels 🤔? Not really sure? Either way is fans would love to hear from her in any way. A video, audio message, even just a letter to the fans would be great.
I hadn't heard about the fate of Jeffrey Hunter. That was really sad.
Roddenberry being against the inclusion of a robot like Robby in the movie that inspired ST Forbidden Planet "lost" Robert Kinoshita in the sense that he wasn't commissioned to make a suit like he did for the B9 in Lost in Space. I've never understood how the Federation got by without something like droids polishing the floors in all those wide lobbys and meeting rooms you see at Starfleet HQ.
Maybe they anticipated the Roomba?
I'm very happy Wil Wheaton has become the Star Trek ambassador of late (with the Ready Room series). His honesty and openness about mental health issues has likely helped others cope with theirs. He is very earnest and genuine. I hope one of the various new series can find a fun and proper way to fit him into an episode or two, something that will finally do justice for Wesley.
He also had a very good impact on The Big Bang Theory.
Surprised and sad that Will Wheaton suffered from depression. I remember him tweeting once that Felicia Day showed up unannounced to his birthday party with a life size darlek as a gift and I never wanted to trade places with someone more in my life
It wasn't until I saw _The Guild_ that I stopped hating Will Wheaton. Yeah, I know, it wasn't his fault that the writers made Wesley Crusher such a smarmy, annoying puke. Tough being a child prodigy; too smart to hang w/ the kids, but none of the adults can treat you as an equal because you're still a snot-nosed punk. I can't imagine what stunted lives the writers must have led that they couldn't write a smart-ass kid properly. Wesley should have been getting dressed down by Picard every other week & only been given the benefit of the doubt because Jean Luc remembered what a hellion *he* had been...
In the summer of 1982 I did a Star Trek convention in San Francisco that featured Kirstie Alley. Star Trek II had just been released to positive reviews. Unlike todays conventions where guests talk to a large group and then runaway and hide, Kirstie sat at a table in the dealer's room the whole weekend. When times were slow i'd talk to her about Star Trek and such. We got around to talking about a sequal to Kahn and I asked her how many films she'd signed on to do. She laughed and said "One. I'm going to take them to the bank." We finished the weekend and I saw her again about a year later. I know nothing about the actual negotiations. Just that she wasn't in Star Trek III.
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and thst sums up the story: she thought that she was bigger than everyone else thought and got bitten by it hard. if not for cheers she’d end up being forgotten
I always liked the Wesley Crusher character. He was one of my favorites.
Wesley was gene's middle name, this show was all about him.
A lot more could have been done with Wesley, but his tenure was when the show was just developing.
I was never a huge fan of the Wesley Crusher character, but Wil Wheaton is an awesome human being.
Stand by Me.
He added an innocent look to it..
It's just a damn shame he left Twitter the way he did, I miss his yearly tributes to River Phoenix
Wesley was terrible
@@IronMan3582 I think it's more accurate to say it's a damn shame Twitter pushed him to take a moral stand on continuing to support their cesspool. I miss those tributes too, but they fit in a time before Twitter became toxic garbage.
Thank you so much for mentioning Jennifer Lien 🙏. She's my favorite character on Voyager. I'd always thought that her race the Ocampa should have been elaborated on more. Her powers were evolving so much being out in space. My friends and I always said her race could've had an awesome backstory. The Ocampa and the Q both emerged from the same area of space. The Q went into space. The Ocampa went underground. Just my own fan fiction 😌.
@Brandon Schneider Just musing, as a fanfic writer myself... I wonder what they could have done with Kes, though. She was a great character, but she literally wouldn't have aged well, with an Ocampan lifespan. I guess they could have extended her life, but they would have almost had to do that with her family and extended family, as well, at least until the Ocampan genes were tempered enough by other species to compensate... Interesting.
Alice Eve is perhaps the smartest and wittiest actor to have ever been a part of the 'Trek' thing. That she was disenfranchised speaks to a strange and convoluted non-audience series of choices.
Why is a vid (this one; and already viewed and thumbs up) constantly showing in my recommended list? Best thumbnail EVAR!
I think that Denise Crosby made a serious mistake in regards to how she left TNG, instead of Tasha Year being killed off she should've left at the end of S1 just like Crusher did then there would've been the possibility of War returning in a later series just like Crusher did.
Her biggest mistake was leaving in Season 1.
Every Trek show has taken the first 2 seasons minimum to really find the Voice that suits them best.
@@teabearchurchill5600 If she could've toughed it out I think it would've been better for her in S3 also IIRC Roddenbery had been effectively pushed out by the time S3 came around. Now as for Uhura Nichelle Nichols almost left the show but you know what kept her in? Martin Luther King Jr. paid her a visit and basically told her to stay on in the show.
@@nicholasmaude6906 I do know that.
Trekkie since 1966.
@@teabearchurchill5600 "Every Trek show has taken the first 2 seasons minimum to really find the Voice that suits them best. " At least in 1987, that wasn't true. TNG was the second Star Trek show (animated series doesn't count) period, and I think almost every Star Trek fan would agree that the first two seasons of the original series were better than the third. With the utter chaos that was the writers' room and executive team of TNG, there wasn't really any reason for a cast member to hope that it would get better. The thing that saved the series was Roddenberry getting progressively pushed out of his own show, again.
But that wasn't a guarantee they wouldn't just kill her off either way. Terry Ferrell stayed through the end of the season and was still killed off. You could even argue they didn't kill Crusher because they already killed Yard and it wouldn't seem too depressing to kill two cast members in one season...and first season at that.
🖖😎👍Very cool and very well explained and informative indeed 👌...
That thumbnail says it all...
What it says to me is "abs"
If you ignore the horrible male-gaze part of it of course.
@@sarahscott5305 since when did it become crime to appreciate an attractive woman in her underwear?
@@katakisLives That's a debate I'm guessing you don't really want to have, so I'll leave it be!
@@sarahscott5305 probably for the best. Been there done that.
Fun Note: Terry Farrell who've went on to do "Becker" with Ted Danson in the first four seasons and replaced by Nancy Travis in its final two seasons until 2004 on the CBS Late Night Line-up.
Denise Crosby hardly was a "key player" and was a baby, expecting the show to pretty much leap to great things out of the gate. If she had stuck around she would've seen what she wanted.
She was popular. Her popularity was rivaling Data's, and he was #2 on the popularity chart after Picard.
@@ianwestc average at best and worf much better character being klingon lead to far more interesting story lines
She destroyed her career the same way "Nancy Drew" Pamela Sue Martin did. They both posed for Playboy.
@@paulleckner8235 She posed in Playboy in 1979. Everyone knew about it when she was auditioned; no one cared.
and worf would have never been a major main character which would have made me happy as he was a pathetic excuse for a klingon and as a a starfleet security and tactical officer
Very well done. Impressed with your product. This from an original watcher (60's) of the first series on through all of them.
Oh, so many losses. I have loved Trek since my dad introduced me to it in syndication in the early '70s, when I was young and impressionable (born May, '68). I truly loved several of these lost characters, and genuinely wept when they died, or were otherwise written off. Kess. Jadzia. Wesley. And of course, the real life deaths of various actors. The ones not mentioned? "Tora Ziyal," "Gul Dukat's" daughter in STDS9. Exploring her riding the species line, as Spock did, could have been fascinating. Her death, coming near the series' end, just seemed gratuitous. Next, Spock's parents: "Amanda Greyson" and "Sarek." Their lives and deaths, too detailed for a mere post, are a vital part of the deeply sapient meaning within this franchise.
This is the mythology of our age. These are our Culture Heroes. These are our "morality plays." Remember, in season two of STNG, when that horrible doctor gave the nod for Riker to phase out of existence their fully-grown clones, because they believed their ownership of their stolen cells gave them that right? That was phoked up as hell. They treated it like an early-term abortion, since those clones hadn't yet been allowed to awaken, and their deaths were quick and painless. But. They were fully grown adults, capable of basic functions as soon as they were awakened, and their genes could have strengthened the society whose members had wrongly stolen what might have been given freely, if asked. I know I would give them a clone of me, to raise among themselves, beyond their needs, just to know, my life had a deeper meaning than most. And yet, it does not, in real life. I'm just some rando, getting by. But, can I be more?
A part of me lives in their universe, knows them like a friend they never met, and feels a deeper purpose and meaning, translating over into our own universe, whereby I try to be the person I would be, if I were living there. Isn't that what religions are supposed to do? Inspire us, via exaggerated stories, to reach farther than our current grasp? To boldly go where no other has gone before? I ended up becoming several things, due to the influence of Star Trek morality: a Wiccan Elder Priest, an EarthKeeper, and a Vegan. Be well, live long, and prosper.
Tora Ziyal could have been a great character. I would have loved to have seen her replace the Dax character. Ezri was great. But to see Ziyal in the role, with her already established relationship with Kira, would have made a great dynamic story with her budding character development. Gone too soon. It was sad to see her death as the catalyst the drove Dukat over the edge. He didn't need much help to get more insane.
Do one about the fan films ! There are a lot of them out on UA-cam , some great , some good , some well it's the thought that counts , but they all deserve some love
"Once you have their money... you never give it back."
Informative and respectful. Well done.
And of course with Denise Crosby's exit paving the way for Michael dorns worf to do the very thing that she wanted Tasha to do... Ah show business a fickle mistress...
The departure of one or the other was necessary. If you look at the bridge crew dynamic Worf was basically a superfluous security chief even before he was officially in the role. That bridge wasn't big enough for the two of them.
@@josephsheranda Watching old Season 1 episodes, it was hard to figure out what Worf's job even was. Often he was doing the Wesley/Data job at one of the forward tactical stations, but sometimes he was tactical in the aft bridge, ehh.. he kindof bounced around and didn't have a clearly defined role. It was probably better that they just dropped the Yar character instead of replacing her, since they had too many bridge folks in general.
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I think Worf's job before Tasha died was "token bridge alien." Troi doesn't count; Betazeds are nearly indistinguishable from humans.
@@josephsheranda I forgot, Geordie ALSO rotated in that same group, at tactical / helm or aft. He wasn't chief engineer back then, so they were REALLY stocked with bridge crew.
@@josephsheranda she was also half human.
of topic and on a personel level... THANK YOU for creating this channel... i need this in my life.. cheeerrzzz.
Nimoy was offered the Directors gig as well for Generations to sweeten the deal.
He was ?
Generations was too far in the future. However directing III did seal the deal for him.
Star Trek missed out by not casting Teri Garr in different roles in the original series. She is something special.
The saddest part of the Denise Crosby departure, to my mind, is that, if she stuck it out past Rodenberry's tenure, she would have got what she - and all Trek fans who like ensemble depth - wanted. In later seasons, the series did grow to provide major story lines for characters outside the original leads, including Troi and Worf, another femail lead, and Yar's replacement as head of security. No blame, but, if only she'd been patient!
Likely why she returned for other guest roles through out the series. Yar could have been so much more but in hindsight Warf became a legendary Star Trek character and brought more depth to Klingons, and Crosby got to be another key Star Trek character upon return in Sela. So in the end everything worked out well IMO.
@@jamessackett9239 I don't disagree, James, but we have different preferences. Denise's returns (both as herself in an alternate timeline and as Sela) were, according to what I heard, a response to a huge call from fans. And - purely personally - the whole Klingon thread in TNG I find rather boring. Development of a character who grew up in a horrid world into better and better Starfleet officer - and a strong female lead in a traditionally male role - is something I really wish we could have seen.
She had already had one major bit of development in the early episode "NAked Now"... She took Data's virginity. :D
@@sidkemp4672 What could have been...I wonder if Yar would have gotten "Worfed" in every combat situation throughout the show?
Sometimes if doors have been closed in your face enough times, you get fed up. I loved her and wanted her character to be “out.” That was before Ellen though…
Interesting. A few of these I did not know. Thank you!
Wesley was annoying at times, but i never hated the character.
I've said for years, that TNG didn't get good until they killed off Yar. Ironic that after she left because they wouldn't expand on her character, they started expanding on more characters, including her replacement at Tactical...LT Worf.
I can remember watching perhaps the second episode of TNG when it first aired, with friends at college. When Yar got kidnapped, we all cheered and yelled at the captain to warp out of there! She was an awful actor and did nothing positive for the show. At the time we believed that she was only there because she had something over one of the show runners. Her reappearances later in the series for stupid reasons only seemed to confirm this hypothesis.
@@kuturisd Agreed, the alternate timeline with the Enterprise C, and the subsequent half-Romulan offspring versions of her weren't any better than her main appearances. Honestly, Yar's sister, Ishara; was a much better actor, character, and storyline for the 1 episode she was in, than all of Tasha's appearances in 31 episodes. They modeled her after Vasquez in Aliens, but instead of keeping her a butch badass throughout the show, she kept trying to way too hard be feminine (to the point where it felt unnatural and as a character assassination every time she flip-flopped), so her character had no established identity. That and every time she tried to be badass, it came out as being whiny.
I agree. The chemistry in the cast wasn't right. Dorn seemed to pull them together.
I would have loved to have seen a Star Trek spin off about a driven, smart aspiring scientist woman Carol Marcus who longs for adventure being rescued during an off world expedition and going on an adventure kicking ass with Captain James T Kirk like Romancing The Stone meets Star Trek. Maybe with Danny Devito as a Ferengi? :D
Danny DeVito would make such a perfect ferengi
@@raggededge82 I mean, he played the Penguin, and that was... sortof similar.
That could be awesome. Imagine a Ferengi DeVito saying "You got some latinum?" in that voice of his.
@@Lordpeyre That's Grand Nagus DeVito to you! lol
"I think I could totally pull off a movie career."
"Shut up, Wesley."
I can confirm the Terry Farrell departure story, as she personally told me essentially the same thing.
She was great as the Old Man. Definitely one of my favorite characters from DS9.
I was pretty gutted when she left I always enjoyed her in DS9
As garak said the next dax wasnt quit as good missing some zest
WHAT!!??
@@Rick_Cleland What what?
I do love that Wheaton managed to find a family in his cast mates after reading what he went through.
7 of 9's body is the greatest thing to ever happen to star trek.
Glen Quagmire: Giggity-Giggity-Goo! Alright!
I just had to add a like for that comment.
Yeah, but she is also a more than decent actress as well - she made the character totally believable - and fun too.
Alice Eve, Carol Marcus. Humma Humma, and all human.
Not bad, but I like T'Pol too.
I actually think Denise knew the character was extremely narrow opportunity for advancement as it was. Her acting was to good to be stuck in a dead end occasional story arc. And even then it was all limited. The best thing for her was to leave and then be rewritten with future characters in a stronger position. In the long run, it was much better for them both.
just like the jj trek movie you guys also awkwardly used alice eve to generate engagement
Will Weaton's appearance on THE BIG BANG THEORY is epic!....and I love his scenes.
That gratuitous scene took my breath away. If I were Kirk, I could not have thought about anything else after that.
Rather like the Doctor once Seven was aboard.
Star Trek 2009 lost me. It was like a bad fan film with a big budget. A few years ago my friend was moving and found a DVD of Into Darkness, still in the wrapper. Said, here, you might want this. I took it. Last year I found it, took it out of the wrapper, but even in pandemic unemployment couldn't imagine wasting two hours on it.
It has Alice Eve in undies. 🤔
@@pedrovargas2181 so does Google Images, etc.
Rodenberry always had an Overinflated Opinion of Himself and his Abilities. It was nice to see the Movie Franchise demote him and Ignore a lot of his Meddling
Eve did look good in that Underwear Scene
true. thanks to the other producers and the studio he had to step down in the later seasons of TNG and that helped to make DS9 .
What a bizarre use of capital letters. Who taught you that's how to use them?
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I was Educated in a Republican/Conservative leaning School District, so it is Natural that the Curriculum was Substandard, Limited, and Compromised...
The franchise died with him.
When Tuvok blew out the birthday cake tho
"it was a fire hazard"
Now....just HOW can anyone criticize Terri Farrel's appearance? The guy must be insane!
I still miss Jadzia Dax.
He didn't criticize her looks, he liked her looks. Understand?
@@lakecountynaturalist7617 No I don't understand
There's a reason that, along with "engage", the line "shut up, wesley" has joined the vernacular as a catch-phrase.
Got to be honest, I expected this video to be all about ST Discovery and how it lost the key player that is an audience.
Jeffery Hunter's wife was blamed for his departure, and it wasn't until the early '90s that she gave her side of the story. It was his talent agent that suggested he go full in with the movies. He had the 'leading man' qualities that was a 'sure thing' for big roles.
Since there would be a gap in time while the show went back to the drawing board, a new cast was hired (such as 'Either the Devil leave the show or the Brunette/Number One'), etc., leaving at this time would been seen as the best time to bail out.
I honestly did not know that.
The Alice Eve underwear scene was probably the best part of the entire JJ-verse.
I'm a huge Wrath of Kahn fan, and I love Kirsty Alley's Saavik. I have always hated that she did not reprise the role and they should've just paid her the money to do it.
There is an interesting parallel between Will Wheaton heading out on his own and the unexpected change of destiny of his character, Wesley Crusher. Wesley was destined (and, by his mother and Captain Picard, for-ordained) to be the brilliant young ensign destined to achieve top success at the academy and go on to a brilliant Star Fleet career, presumably to become the next Kirk, Picard, or at least Riker. But the nebenmotif of the Traveler turned into a fascinating alternate future for Wesley. Brilliantly done!
I wonder what would have happened if Wesley gave the finger to Picard during "Journey's End" instead of just removing his comm badge from his uniform and tossing it on the table in the Observation Lounge. I would have done the same thing. I would have told him that "following orders" was how the Germans attempted to avoid justice at the Nuremberg trial after WW2 for war crimes.
Can't people just say that STAR TREK VOYAGER just had bad writing and got into formula.
It’s not a gratuitous scene it’s beautiful.
Nicely done! 👍🏻
I'm old (69) and these days I pay more attention to my motorcycles than my hormones (what's left of them lol) but that scene with Alice Eve in her under ware took my breath away. She is a well proportioned woman (at least in that movie).
your not that old and you get a better tune out of your motors.
I want to know more about Grace Lee Whitney and the backstory with her time on Star Trek,, and also Billy the silent bridge navigator who was in many episodes but never uttered a word,,,