Nick that step after you quantize when dragging regions to the previous region, that's a customizable key command. Alternatively, you can right click on the selected regions you just quantized and go down to "trim" and it will show "trim region start to previous region". Might save you a minute or two! I wanted to share this since I keep coming back to this video. (I always forget the key commands for the other functions lol)
I love the idea of more in depth tutorials, I've definitely picked up a lot of little things from watching Thick Riff Thursday but its awesome to have a separate series focused on explanation. Great stuff as always man
I appreciate you! I’m not doing it every Tuesday at the moment but it’s a good way to go more in depth into concepts that may take too long on a Thick Riff Thursday!
Shortcuts: Command+D (Detect transients of audio file), Shift+A (Slice at transient markers), and Q (quantize selected regions/cells/events). I changed to Shift+Q due to conflict.
Another banger, Nick! This is extremely helpful to guys like me who are trying to get more into recording their own music. Thank you for making these awesome tutorials
Bro these are so awesome and helpful! I started watching you about a month ago and because of you I bought an interface and started making my own demos. You helped me kick start what I’ve been wanting to do for so long. You’re awesome man!
That’s so amazing to hear!! I’m so excited for you! Feel free to ask any questions you may have in these comments sections. The rest of the community and I would be happy to help! 🤘
Love this!! More of Logic editing! I use Logic as well and also write the same style music so this is great! I’ve been a guitarist for 24 years and learned something new today!
What is Logic's audio editor missing? I'm genuinely asking. I've never used Pro Tools. But I've also never been using Logic and thought "I wish I could do that" and been unable to find a way to do it. At the end of the day, there's not much to audio editing anyway.
For some reason I couldn't do it, my trimmed sections are looking not so bad but when I try to fix the empty areas between like you do I unintentionally create loops from that section.. I guess I need to work a bit more, but I stepped forward to a faster process so I'm happy. Loved the Tutorial Tuesday!
Nice! This is pretty much how I edit too when I want stuff really tight. There’s a couple more key commands I use that you may find useful too. After I slice up and quantize the regions, I highlight everything and nudge all the regions to the right (control + right) until the pick attacks are roughly on the grid. Then I use a key command called “Trim Region End to Next Region” to bring all the region ends right up to the pick attack, which fills in all the gaps but also is the most transparent place to crossfade. Of course some notes may be too far ahead of the beat so you may end up with two pick attacks/transients that you’ll need to fix manually but it’s pretty efficient imo. All we need now is a way to humanize audio regions!
Also the slip edit shortcut (control+option + {left or right arrow} is really useful for small edits like what you’re doing around 8:30. You can move stuff around while leaving the regions/crossfades in place.
The whole flex kinda thing is so confusing sometimes imo 😳 i totally dig the broomhall content. Seriously changed my live… got a e kit, got a new 7string, learnin how to properly edit . Got a few freaking thick riffs coming up now 😅
quantizing can be done so much faster. just do Flex Time polyphonic. and then go to the left and click on q and then 16th or whatever you want. done within 10 seconds
Although it's quicker, that method will stretch and shorten the audio files and occasionally leave audible artifacts. I use both methods though. In a mix with high distortion you might not hear a difference though.
Super useful, Nick! Thanks for sharing! My current editing process in Logic is quite painful and your approach for sure will speed up a lot my workflow. One question: have you ever used flex for quantizing fast parts? I’ve tried it in small stretches (never longer than 16ths) and didn’t hear any difference compared to splitting the audio at the transient marks. But flex is so condemned by everyone that I hesitate in ever considering it a valid option … Thanks again!
It’s definitely still a viable option! I just end up getting too many artifacts when using flex. But I’ve still used it for small stretches as long as I can’t hear those artifacts it creates.
Hey Nick! I feel like I have a good grasp on timing and rhythm and love that you're doing this tutorial. I understand, theoretically, why you're making these changes but I don't honestly hear much difference when you do the comparison at the end. Is there anything specific you're listening for that gives away the difference between the unedited and the edited version?
Hey Nick! LOve your channel! I have a question. When you upgraded your computer late last year, what model did you purchase? My computer seems too slow now a days
I think I preferred the groove on the unedited version. Especially on the chugs. To my ear, the unedited version felt perfectly in the pocket and the edited version felt a little stiff.
Ok so I've got to ask... Why do you want to do all the slicing and nudging as opposed to just another take? Making it slap harder or "kinda quantize" it I'm thinking? Or is this just easier than doing more takes?
Hey Nick, do you have any thoughts on using something like Flex Time / Flex and Follow or a plugin such as VocAlign to edit guitars? I hear a lot of people are worried about artifacts for time stretching but I was curious about your thoughts for either of those options. Love the videos as always man! I’ve been using your method after I watched this video and while it is a little tedious, I feel like it really tightens up the mix! Thanks for these Tutorial Tuesdays!
Being able to slice on transients all at once is so sick! Any homies in the comments know of a way to do that in Ableton? I know I can slice transients to MIDI but I prefer to work in audio. Another option is to highlight the transient marker and press ctrl+e to slice in arrangement view but you have to go one by one. I’d love to find a timesaver like this - I’d pay for a M4L device if anyone knows one!
Is it a total "no go" for you to edit guitars with flextime and quantizing them as well? I find it not so "stretchy" once you reamp those DIs and the whole process more convenient. What's your thoughts?
I use Cubase's AudioWarp when I edit guitars and it's works great (same thing as flexitime I'm guessing). Once you run them through distortion any artifacts are inaudible. I like it cus it's so much faster. No detecting/slicing/chopping, just open the waveform and move the audio around at will. Wouldn't use it on clean guitars but for DI's that are going to go through heavy distortion it works really well
hey nick, are theese guitars plugged straight to your audio interface? did you use any DI Box or moduler in between? it's really importat to me because I can't get a cristalline DI signal like you do. I hope to get an answer ♥
This is cool but what happens if not every single note is of the same value and you quantise them all to the same length of the note. Surely your whole recording isn't made up of the same value note throughout? That's just the bit I don't understand
Can you define the words your using, like transients and quantize and stuff like that it would be really helpful to fully understand what your saying plsss
Cut items always need the crossfades. Btw, in recent times I'm trying to just write more good takes instead of editing. Editing sometimes sounds not that good.
@@ForzaSiciliaMusic2 agree, editing is better than bad takes. It is helpful as well if you are working with other musicians, who can be less attentive.
@@nickbroomhallmusic I'm not going in and setting key commands for functions that I don't use often. If you're going to spend the time to do that in an instructional that's fine, but you should also show where people can find those commands. Just an opinion. I don't find those sort of key commands more efficient or easier. I'm visual, I like looking at menu items. Not dogging your abilities.. just offering you a view point. Not everyone wants to set up key commands just to learn where 'detect transients' is. 👍🏻I looked and could only seem to find a function to analyze for FLEX .. and it doesn't appear to be what you're doing.
Nick that step after you quantize when dragging regions to the previous region, that's a customizable key command. Alternatively, you can right click on the selected regions you just quantized and go down to "trim" and it will show "trim region start to previous region". Might save you a minute or two! I wanted to share this since I keep coming back to this video. (I always forget the key commands for the other functions lol)
Great tip! Gonna pin this comment for others
I love the idea of more in depth tutorials, I've definitely picked up a lot of little things from watching Thick Riff Thursday but its awesome to have a separate series focused on explanation. Great stuff as always man
Thanks man! I’m happy this helps!
Tutorial Tuesday!?! Didn't even know you started that. You are the freakin man. The community appreciates you so much!
I appreciate you! I’m not doing it every Tuesday at the moment but it’s a good way to go more in depth into concepts that may take too long on a Thick Riff Thursday!
Oh boy here we go. Tutorial Tuesday's gonna be fire
This is the coolest video and the most correct editing! Thank you.
Shortcuts: Command+D (Detect transients of audio file), Shift+A (Slice at transient markers), and Q (quantize selected regions/cells/events). I changed to Shift+Q due to conflict.
Tuesday and thursday? What a channel bro, youre gonna be huge
Liked the video before I even watched it. This is the series we’ve been waiting for.
Another banger, Nick! This is extremely helpful to guys like me who are trying to get more into recording their own music. Thank you for making these awesome tutorials
the track sounds inspired by a sleep token song, the offering. Great vid Nick!
Exactly what I’ve been needing for a hot minute: Logic Pro X with this style of music. Thank you, and well done!
Bro these are so awesome and helpful! I started watching you about a month ago and because of you I bought an interface and started making my own demos. You helped me kick start what I’ve been wanting to do for so long. You’re awesome man!
That’s so amazing to hear!! I’m so excited for you! Feel free to ask any questions you may have in these comments sections. The rest of the community and I would be happy to help! 🤘
Love this!! More of Logic editing! I use Logic as well and also write the same style music so this is great! I’ve been a guitarist for 24 years and learned something new today!
Super useful video!! Would love to hopefully see a drum mixing tutorial one day :D
Definitely something I plan to do!
rlly great info holy fuck
Lets go! I've been hoping you'd do a tutorial on this!
So happy to see more tutorials! Thank you so much for replying to my instagram comment honestly this will really help my production skills!
already loving tutorial teusday
Learned something new…. AGAIN 😂 thanks for the tutorial brotha, helpful as always!
Thx for the initiative
, looking forward to seeing more of these! :)
This is a fantastic tutorial for us using Logic.. thanks, Nick.
I’ve been needing a brush up on editing. Thanks brother.
What is Logic's audio editor missing? I'm genuinely asking. I've never used Pro Tools. But I've also never been using Logic and thought "I wish I could do that" and been unable to find a way to do it. At the end of the day, there's not much to audio editing anyway.
Not knowing this concept completely derailed my first projects using midi bass and drums. Great tutorial
Love your channel, & your songs. Hope your release more tunes soon! Thanks for all the help with logic.
that's what I needed today!
thanks so much for making this, way more efficient than what ive been doing
For some reason I couldn't do it, my trimmed sections are looking not so bad but when I try to fix the empty areas between like you do I unintentionally create loops from that section.. I guess I need to work a bit more, but I stepped forward to a faster process so I'm happy. Loved the Tutorial Tuesday!
Dawg I’ve been editing in logic since Logic 9 and you just changed my life LMFAO I did not know about the detect transient feature
Yes!! Thank you so much for that! 😍
Thanks, straight to the point
Nice! This is pretty much how I edit too when I want stuff really tight. There’s a couple more key commands I use that you may find useful too.
After I slice up and quantize the regions, I highlight everything and nudge all the regions to the right (control + right) until the pick attacks are roughly on the grid. Then I use a key command called “Trim Region End to Next Region” to bring all the region ends right up to the pick attack, which fills in all the gaps but also is the most transparent place to crossfade.
Of course some notes may be too far ahead of the beat so you may end up with two pick attacks/transients that you’ll need to fix manually but it’s pretty efficient imo. All we need now is a way to humanize audio regions!
Also the slip edit shortcut (control+option + {left or right arrow} is really useful for small edits like what you’re doing around 8:30. You can move stuff around while leaving the regions/crossfades in place.
This seems way easier than editing everything manually with the flex tool (which is what I've been doing for years). Thanks!
The whole flex kinda thing is so confusing sometimes imo 😳 i totally dig the broomhall content. Seriously changed my live… got a e kit, got a new 7string, learnin how to properly edit . Got a few freaking thick riffs coming up now 😅
This is incredibly useful information, thank you!!
Very interesting approach! I have been editing guitars just by using the flex tool but this is definitely a much quicker way of doing things.
Super helpful - thx!
quantizing can be done so much faster. just do Flex Time polyphonic. and then go to the left and click on q and then 16th or whatever you want. done within 10 seconds
Although it's quicker, that method will stretch and shorten the audio files and occasionally leave audible artifacts. I use both methods though. In a mix with high distortion you might not hear a difference though.
Fun fact: hold CMD and double click a spot to split it 😎 cmd pulls up whatever your secondary tool is currently set to, at the top of your window!
There is a realy badass shortcut that could help: "Trim Region Start to Previous Region"
Ohhhh that could be the move. Thank you!!
Great vid! Nice!
Very Helpful ... more of this!!!! Por favor.....
Keep making these please.
Pay attention guys! Doctor Nib is at surgery room doing some very precise cuts, grab some papers and pen!
😂👨⚕️
Super useful, Nick! Thanks for sharing! My current editing process in Logic is quite painful and your approach for sure will speed up a lot my workflow. One question: have you ever used flex for quantizing fast parts? I’ve tried it in small stretches (never longer than 16ths) and didn’t hear any difference compared to splitting the audio at the transient marks. But flex is so condemned by everyone that I hesitate in ever considering it a valid option … Thanks again!
It’s definitely still a viable option! I just end up getting too many artifacts when using flex. But I’ve still used it for small stretches as long as I can’t hear those artifacts it creates.
Could you do one of these for your master bus/tips on mastering and finalizing a track. Thanks!
love these videos, especially being a bedroom producer LOL
Thanks for sharing this. Could you do one about mastering your tracks?
Hey Nick! I feel like I have a good grasp on timing and rhythm and love that you're doing this tutorial. I understand, theoretically, why you're making these changes but I don't honestly hear much difference when you do the comparison at the end. Is there anything specific you're listening for that gives away the difference between the unedited and the edited version?
Hey Nick! LOve your channel!
I have a question. When you upgraded your computer late last year, what model did you purchase? My computer seems too slow now a days
Thanks! I went with the MacBook Pro M3 Pro with 36GB of memory!
This is awesome man. Super helpful! How can we support more of these in the future?
I think I preferred the groove on the unedited version. Especially on the chugs. To my ear, the unedited version felt perfectly in the pocket and the edited version felt a little stiff.
Ok so I've got to ask... Why do you want to do all the slicing and nudging as opposed to just another take? Making it slap harder or "kinda quantize" it I'm thinking? Or is this just easier than doing more takes?
Hey Nick, do you have any thoughts on using something like Flex Time / Flex and Follow or a plugin such as VocAlign to edit guitars? I hear a lot of people are worried about artifacts for time stretching but I was curious about your thoughts for either of those options.
Love the videos as always man! I’ve been using your method after I watched this video and while it is a little tedious, I feel like it really tightens up the mix! Thanks for these Tutorial Tuesdays!
Dumb question, but do have another session going for the recording of your voice for the video?
Not a dumb question at all! I don’t, but I use OBS to record my screen and audio at the same time.
Being able to slice on transients all at once is so sick! Any homies in the comments know of a way to do that in Ableton? I know I can slice transients to MIDI but I prefer to work in audio. Another option is to highlight the transient marker and press ctrl+e to slice in arrangement view but you have to go one by one. I’d love to find a timesaver like this - I’d pay for a M4L device if anyone knows one!
You’re editing do you join the regions together?
idol can you tell me how did you edit without pick attack like legato or tapping
Is it a total "no go" for you to edit guitars with flextime and quantizing them as well? I find it not so "stretchy" once you reamp those DIs and the whole process more convenient. What's your thoughts?
I just find Flex Time to be a little too artifacty so for stuff like this I definitely prefer slicing!
I use Cubase's AudioWarp when I edit guitars and it's works great (same thing as flexitime I'm guessing). Once you run them through distortion any artifacts are inaudible. I like it cus it's so much faster. No detecting/slicing/chopping, just open the waveform and move the audio around at will. Wouldn't use it on clean guitars but for DI's that are going to go through heavy distortion it works really well
hey nick, are theese guitars plugged straight to your audio interface? did you use any DI Box or moduler in between? it's really importat to me because I can't get a cristalline DI signal like you do. I hope to get an answer ♥
Straight into my interface!
@@nickbroomhallmusic wow thank you! did you also set any internal plugin in your apollo that makes your guitar signal more clean and transparent?
This is cool but what happens if not every single note is of the same value and you quantise them all to the same length of the note. Surely your whole recording isn't made up of the same value note throughout? That's just the bit I don't understand
Command D is the duplicate track logic pro assignment.
just be aware. I use it quite often. So I would choose something else
7:05 Dude use equal power crossfades... What are you doing?
Can you define the words your using, like transients and quantize and stuff like that it would be really helpful to fully understand what your saying plsss
Watching the fith time now and it’s working bro thank you so much 🙏🙏🫡
Can we just go ahead and get a vid every day?
Cut items always need the crossfades. Btw, in recent times I'm trying to just write more good takes instead of editing. Editing sometimes sounds not that good.
Knowing how to edit guitars well is an essential production skill whether you yourself are getting good takes or not
@@ForzaSiciliaMusic2 agree, editing is better than bad takes. It is helpful as well if you are working with other musicians, who can be less attentive.
Ok .. the key command stuff is just straight up annoying. Why can't we just see where these functions live in the editor?
Because key commands are much easier and more efficient!
@@nickbroomhallmusic I'm not going in and setting key commands for functions that I don't use often. If you're going to spend the time to do that in an instructional that's fine, but you should also show where people can find those commands. Just an opinion. I don't find those sort of key commands more efficient or easier. I'm visual, I like looking at menu items. Not dogging your abilities.. just offering you a view point. Not everyone wants to set up key commands just to learn where 'detect transients' is. 👍🏻I looked and could only seem to find a function to analyze for FLEX .. and it doesn't appear to be what you're doing.
@nickbroomhallmusic how bout more bass Monday??? That’d be amazing