Toyota 4Runner TRD Pro vs Honda Passport Trailsport - Snowy Off-Road Battle + Real-World MPG
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- Опубліковано 15 бер 2023
- We compare the Toyota 4Runner TRD Pro with the new Honda Passport Trailsport. The Toyota 4Runner is pretty clearly built for the hardcore off-road crowd, while the Honda is posing as an off-roader. But when the pavement ends, which is a more livable daily driver? We took the 4Runner and Passport on a long drive to find out, and to compare the real-world MPGs.
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My dad has a Passport and it's awesome, and I feel a lot of people don't understand the point of the vehicle.
It is a very good "all-use" SUV. It does everything well. Not amazing in anything accept acceleration and I think cargo space for it's class (non luxury mid-sized SUV), but well at everything.
It isn't as off-road worthy as a Jeep (both GC and Wrangler), but it's more reliable.
It isn't as off-road worthy as a 4 runner either, but it's quicker handles better, and most of all, it's better on gas.
It isn't as good on gas as a Ford Explorer, a Nissan Moreno, or a two-row highlander, but it's probably better off road than they are.
It's a solid all-rounder of an SUV.
Can't go wrong with Honda or Toyota...I did try both and ended up buying my wife the Passport it just drives so darn smooth on the hwy and absorbs road bumps a lot better than the 4-Runner...the 9 speed trans in the Honda is by far better than the Toyota shifting wise...as far as reliability goes we all know like I said before you can't go wrong with either one and I've owned both products since the late 80's so I can comment on that fact.
Wonder what hondas resale value will be 5 years from now vs a 4runner
@@davidzambrano9126 Worse
I wonder how that 9speed will hold up
Imagine paying 60k for a car that was made with 10 year technology and your worried about resale hahab
I think the real truth of this test was well stated at 17:09 The younger version of me would buy the 4Runner without a care about total cost and increased expense at the pump. The now older version of myself would appreciate the extra room, lower cost, and better fuel efficiency of the Passport. If you aren't going offroad 10+ times a year then the Passport is the more sensible option. If you offroad more often then you will get the value of the extra expense out of the 4Runner. Good comparison.
😂 for me it’s opposite, the younger me bought fuel savers while the older me (age 46) now just bought a 4Runner 2022 for off-road purpose. :)
The 4runner would last longer honestly. My mom has a 2016 Pilot, bought in 2015... not impressed with overall quality. It ate 2 fuel injectors & a caty converter, barely under warranty. The seats are terrible, most uncomfortable seats I've ever experienced. She wanted a three row commuter, between this a Highlander and a Buick Enclave,wanted me to pick it out because I'm the family "car" guy. I chose the Honda over the Toyota... big mistake. My younger brother bought a 2017 Highlander the following year, the Toyota is the better vehicle.
I went from a tripple locked land cruiser to a passport, honestly the passport will go 90% of the same places that the cruiser would. everything except for the most extreme or huge wheel lift spots. The passport lifts a wheel sooner but the awd does a great job.
@@HandyTot People really underestimate how many places you can go with picking a good route (you don't always have to take the most extreme trail to get to a campsite or destination), picking the easiest line, some high quality tires, airing down for the conditions you'll be driving in, using some basic tools like a shovel/traction boards, and just general offroad driving experience. Of course, if off roading is your hobby this isn't for you, a BOF SUV or truck, or something like a Jeep with 2 solid axles is always gonna do that stuff better, but if you just want to get to cool places in your daily driver and you're willing to learn how your AWD system works, what the limits of your vehicle are and how to use their hardware/software systems to your advantage, many people will be well served by this current generation of more capable crossovers. I'm coming from a built GX470 and I'm now considering the new Pilot or one of the Subaru Wilderness vehicles because they seem like great daily drivers that have the capability I need for those 5 or 6 adventure trips each year.
Yeah, after a couple of years I’m of off-roading and overlanding I realised that I can go most of the places in an awd crossover. And save more fuel.
I looked at both these cars but at the end of the day i needed a family vehicle and dont regret getting the passport at all. The most off-road i have done is some camping trips.
Great video I've owned a 4Runner and recently just bought a Passport Trailsport. I think a more even comparison would have been the base 4runner SR5, which is what I had, but it is still superior to the Passport off-road. Before those, I had a base 4wd Nissan Xterra and it took me everywhere I wanted to go off-road in Arizona. 4Runner obviously did also, although I liked the smaller size of the Xterra. I have only taken the Passport off road once, mild trail. But everywhere in Arizona is very rocky. I don't mean boulders or rock crawling but just millions of sharp jagged rocks, football size and smaller. The lack of underbody protection is my main concern with the Passport, though I just had minimal on my previous vehicles. I'm getting older so I won't be going off nearly as much as I used to that's why I got the Passport. My next vehicle will probably be a mobility scooter.
The passport is a great family vehicle and it drives BETTER than the new Pilot...I haven't tried the Pilot Trailsport, only the Touring but the Passport is better to steer.
Love my Passport. Got a Trailsport. Got it certified and the salesman I used to work with was the first owner. It’s a damn good car. He’s having seller’s remorse. He just bought a 23 Pilot. He’s going back to the Passport next year he said.
Love the review…
I live in the desert. I go to work and back. Shopping. Take my mother to doc appointments. I love this thing. I’m more comfortable in this than I’ve been in any other car I’ve had other than my old 99 explorer.
Not having a spare freaks me out. Thoughts? Or am I wrong and it DOES have one?
@@MrBootsElectrikit has a spare.
Why would you choose this over a Pilot though? They are selling at pretty similar price points and the Pilot is more roomy. I'd think that especially for families the Pilot would be the better choice bc of the additional space in the back row. I'm between both cars. Sometimes I like to go on some dirt trails in the desert, so I'm thinking if their off-road versions would work for that.
The 5th gen 4Runner is inmortal!
Love your channel. Gotta admit that the 4 Runner is my favorite. I'm on my 4th version and it's a blast in the snow here in Pennsylvania, especially in the Poconos.
Top notch review gents! Informative, authoritative and entertaining. Cheers!
Wow! Super crazy! Great video guys. Not one I thought I would ever see!!!
The new 2023 Pilot Trailsport has me excited for the redesigned Passport Trailsport
why does the passport need a trailsport trim when its supposed to be more offroady than the pilot?
@@tinhinnh Because there's still improvements needed for the Passport to make it more offroad capable.
@@rabd3721too many “sports” 😂
@@tinhinnhLol agreed, I'm not a fan of "passport" for a model name.
@@rabd3721They should just use one body type (Pilot) and make the Trailsport trim little more capable and sell that as the “new” Passport instead of trying to make a junior 4Runner but less practical
At first I thought this was strange. I like your comparison.
Honda / Toyota = Win Win.
Got my wife a 2022 trailsport passport because of mpg. N/a v6 option was down to this, a pilot, 4runner, and a nissan... knowing she's only traveling to work and back and the winters in NJ this seemed like the best bet. No toyota tax either
Just picked up my 4runner TRD pro last week, love it
I like this channel. I've watched a couple of your comparisons and have enjoyed them. The Toyota is an impressive off roader but I can't believe how much it costs. I have an 04 Lexus GX470 and it's amazing how much has and has not changed with that platform over the years.
It's a bargain compared to domestic counterparts.
Great review guys. I ended up with the Passport since I don’t off-road. Love the comfort, space, power and on road handling. Gas mileage is less than EPA but who cares. It’s surprisingly a blast to rip around the backroads, and the vtec is entertaining. Great comparo, keep up the great work!
Gas mileage less than the EPA is due to your foot.
I get 20-22 in a 4runner on mostly state highways
FWIW. Had a 2nd Gen Passport. Lived in the PNW. Couldn't lose grip even if I tried with its 4x4 system. Got decent Gas Mileage too.
You went wrong
Probably a good choice. Toyota isn't what it used to be
This was really helpful and informative for me as I consider purchasing both of these vehicles. Thanks for comparison...
Cross shopped these two earlier this year. Agree with your assessment on both. When it came down to it, I ended up with Solar Octane TRD Pro just like you reviewed. I was willing to trade some on-road prowess for the 4Runner's proven quality/durability, but as always YMMV.
One of my favorite channels on UA-cam!! Love your content… The 4 runner is a great vehicle..
Thanks 👍
Dinosaur vs a poser is the best video entrance yet!😂
Yup I loved that too.
Truth
Because dinosaurs are more exciting and more adventurous. 4fun👍😉
At least one you can put a snow plow on if you have too. One you cannot!
Glad to know he’s already biased
man this is some quality content. ty for this!
My 23’ 4runner Off-Road came with 3 USB’s in dash, heated steering, and dash camera from the factory.
Plus KDSS makes the on-road drive tight and sporty.
It's hard to beat a Toyota 4runner TRD Pro.
@19:44 Thay was the VTEC kicking in! Opens up another set of intake and exhaust valves above (I think) 5,200 RPM. For even quicker starts in the Passport use the paddle shifter to shift down to D1 gear, it typically starts off on 2nd gear.
I have a 22 exl passport and love it. I do mostly highway trips but I do love my Rocky Mountains in Colorado. I looked into the other models but found the exl was the same car with a few less features. I wouldn’t necessarily take this car off roading but the 4 runner is the one if you need it for off road. The mpg is definitely better in the pp and so smooth. There’s lots of 4 runners around here and I’d take one if I could afford it
Great content, guys. I love the Solar Octane color for 2023. Would like to see it in person, but those are hard to find at the moment.
4Runner for me between both. I don't need USB ports on every corner, I don't need a TV-Sized screen in a car/truck. I want to go to places. A truck is a tool for me and the 4runner is the more rugged all-capable ride. Honestly I expected the 4runner to be more thirsty on gas.... almost 21 mpg is not bad with that refrigerator shape.
Looking forward too your next reviews. Thanks
The 4Runner gets 16 and 19 highway for an average of 17 mpg its right on the sticker
Nice review guys. My dog don't care about rear seat headroom..😀 That little bit of mpg difference isn't enough for me to go to a soft-roader
VERY well done comparison. You video production quality earned you another sub. Cheers
Welcome!
I’ll choose a KDSS equipped TRD OR Premium.
Also if you get a 3rd row 4Runner than you do get sliding 2nd row. They all already come with reclining second row.
It would be great for you guys to test a KDSS vs non KDSS both on and off road. No reviewers have done this yet.
Thanks for the review! Very informative.
I had a 2021 Passport for 2000 miles and traded it for a new 2022 Toyota 4Runner (15k now). Couldn’t be happier with my decision. Definitely gave up on some road comfort, and gas mileage but the 4Runners reliability/LC Prada shared platform has kept me completely satisfied. It’s comfortable, spacious, I trust it to last much longer than the Passport with the old 4.0/ 5spd.
I think the more interesting matchup would be the new pilot trail sport or the new passport trail sport when it's revealed. I doubt it will be able to keep up but it looks like Hondas made huge improvements compared to this one.
I'm actually looking at the Trailsport for both models. Kind of favor the Pilot bc it has more space for families in the second row. Which one do you think is better?
the body on frame, sexyness, ruggedness and heritage of the 4Runner is too much to be compared against the little Passport.
Enjoyed this comparison….good job guys
Glad you enjoyed it!
Nice review, had a 1998 4-Runner (Limited) for 17 years and 217k miles, it was the most reliable vehicle we ever owned (it was my wife's daily driver). Not the comfort and technology of today's vehicles, but a very solid SUV. Fast forward to 2019, when I was looking to go from a BMW 3-series and get my first SUV (a daily driver for me). First on my list was a 4-Runner, but upon closer inspection, I noticed that Toyota had NOT upgraded the engine and transmission in something like 15 years, which lead me to an AWD Passport. Swapped the stupidly designed 20" Low-Profile Tires/Wheels for some 18" AT's on Black Rhinos and I'm ready for anything! Well except that it NEVER snows in So. Cal. and I typically only get it up to (light dirt roads in) the mountains a couple of times year. But is is super smooth, powerful and quiet, I don't ven miss my two BMW's...
I love the 2023 Passport and mainly use it to commute. i was getting 27 mpg on the highway in my EXL model yesterday. Been very happy with it so far. If I was a serious off-roader I would get the 4 Runner but not needed in my case.
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Great review gentleman. Thank you.
Thanks for watching!
You nailed it. Last year I traded my Tacoma for a Passport. My Tacoma was a highway princess but the constant engine / transmission mismatch with that 3rd generation got old. I use to say a light breeze would cause my Tacoma to downshift. The Passport is a terrific highway machine, fantastic for long trips. The Toyotas great on the rocks and in the mud! Oh and as far as quality and reliability go having owned many Toyotas and Hondas my opinion is the difference is negligible with a slight edge to Toyota.
I have a Honda Passport Trailsport and love it! Nice review!
What made you get that over the Pilot?
@@luperamos7307 Didnt need a third row
im sure the passport is a good built vehicle and has some advantages over a 5th gen 4Runner but the 5gens are bullet proof. This is an easy choice.
Truck King....really enjoyed the video and I truly loved the math class at the end! Go CANADA!
Thanks 👍
Great comparison fellas 👏
Glad you enjoyed it
I would love to see a comparison between the Honda and the 4Runner limited. The limited is the more road friendly (civilized) 4Runner and therefore a little closer to the Pilot in on road driving manners. If I’m right, I believe that the 4Runner limited has 4 wheel drive auto similar to the Pilot. Thanks for another great video!
The 4runner limited has lockable center diff. it is the exact same system found in the GX460, thus very capable off-road. The suspension is linked on all 4 shocks making it a lot more road friendly -sways less than other 4runners-
based on looks alone, 4Runner for me
Great review!!
Glad you enjoyed it
4Runner is a solid truck. But Pro at almost $60K is a rip-off
Yah but you get a 5 spd auto 😂
“Truck” .. 😂😂😂
Reliability and can hold their value specially when they become discontinue to the newer generation 4Runner with a turbo.
This old school/dinosaur SUV will shoot up their value even more because Toyota started to stop the production of these vehicles.
@@limelife7457 I don't think that many people care. It's a very niche vehicle.
100%, you can get trd offroad premium and put a better suspension
Trd pro all the way they hold there value like crazy
The Honda 3.5L V6 IVTEC has been an incredible engine for Honda since 2005. I own two of them one in a 2008 Honda Odyssey 1st gen and a 2017 Honda Accord Touring V6 2nd gen. This 4d gen has simply taken the few remaining flaws and all but eliminated them at this point. Now, I've dyno'd my 2017 Accord V6 and it had 301 HP I cannot imagine what the actual horse power is on this new V6. Keep it up Honda!
Honda Odyssey transmission is the weakest link of the bunch
@@limelife7457 1999-2004 Honda V6 it is weak. At that time they were made a 3rd party that did a terrible job. For "most" 2005 models Honda went back to a in house made transmission and never had major issues again. Scotty Kilmer loves to talk shit about Odyssey transmissions but those 6 model years are all that were an issue and they were the V6 automatic transmission not the I4 transmission.
@@SuperSnakePlissken Honda needs to stop trying to outsource their transmissions to other companies its really obvious when it isn't made by them IMO everything in the car will feel like quality but then you'll have an unresponsive and jerky transmission system that will feel off and unreliable. My only regret with buying the Passport is that and one of the reasons why I may trade up for the new gen cuz Idk how long that transmission will actually last truth be told.
@@jebril Not sure what you are talking about because Honda has been making their transmissions in house since 2005.
@@SuperSnakePlissken The passport uses a ZF transmission its some German trash tbh.
I saw you guys driving when I was coming home from work, that TRD kind of stands out haha
It certainly does!
Great video. In terms of offraoding, TRD Pro is going to be too much for any "offroady" crossover. I would love to see a comparison between a base SR5 and an offroady crossover. It would be interesting to see if they have any chance against the SR5.
With the A-TRAC on in the SR5 the "Offroady crossovers" won't stand a chance!
Not even close, it's still a 4rumner lol. Which means right out of the box and SR5 is off-road capable
the fact you think "sr5" is not 'off roady' cause it's a base model tells everyone how 1.) naive you are 2.) unaware the general public is of how all these things 'off road' things work
The TRD Pro is mostly brake tricks for traction and a 1 inch Fox suspension. You can easily take an SR5 and make it much better than the Pro with a 3 inch suspension and possibly air lockers. Air lockers are much better than all those traction gimmicks.
The new Pilot does not have VTEC. The new engine is a 3.5 liter dual overhead cam, but still has the Honda J35 engine.
This is my favorite off-road channel on UA-cam! Keep up the great work guys!
Thanks! Will do!
It is amazing how the 5th gen 4Runner came out end of 2009 and it is still relevant and beats the competition over and over again. Honda Passport and Pilot are based on their minivan platform which is essentially the old Honda Accord V6 😂.
If Honda wants to play with the big boys then need to come up with a ladder frame platform first then some durable transmissions. Honda keep producing below par products in the last two decades. What happened Honda? You guys use to build amazing vehicles back in late 80s and 90s.
They try to minimize cost of production it makes sense to do what they're doing when you consider that 90% of people won't push past what this Passport can do in offroading.
great comparison vehicle... both have their strengths 😃
Wow, do I miss my Super GT SnoRacer!! I had the full size one, that was cool fun!
Great video and good points. The only comment I had was the reliability (long term) of the 4Runner is a legend in its self.
We have a ‘22 Passport Trailsport. We absolutely love it!
Thanks for the MPG conversion.
I just bought a 2024 passport trail sport.diffused sky blue pearl paint.I love it
Great comparison
Had a 2019 Honda Passport , was a great vehicle but felt like a mom suv. Now have a 2022 Toyota 4Runner TRD off-road now feel like a badass. 4Runner has always been my dream vehicle.
Great video, thanks! Curious if i am not an off-roader, is it correct to assume that Honda's I'VTM4 (not even mentioning Acura's SH-AWD) is a way better (on icy/snowy roads) than 4Runner Limited (or GX) - would they (4Runner & GX) behave similar to I'VTM4 or Toyota's AWD is similar to CRV's one? Thanks again
I drove 4 runner 2021 model from Minneapolis, Minnesota to Dallas , Tx . I had almost 5 full tanks .
I once drive my 2018 accord ex and it took just 2 full tanks (one full tank to Overland Park Kansas and one in Dallas )
Your comparing 2 different cars lmao
People keep talking about “if you’re never gonna leave pavement,” but our pavement is rapidly deteriorating with potholes, cracks, and manhole covers.
This is a good comparison but I’d imagine a lot of people buying the Passport are looking at the Jeep Grand Cherokee or the VW Atlas Sport and maybe the Toyota Venza. The 4Runner is going to be a better off roader because it has a lockable 4WD but for most people the Honda VTM4 is plenty. It’s a great AWD system. I just can’t wait for the new one since they’ll actually add more off road goodies.
Honestly, I consider these totally different vehicles, and the driving dynamics would be the key differentiator to a prospective buyer. I'd reckon long-term cost of ownership would be a wash, as any fuel savings by the Pathfinder would likely be offset by slightly greater depreciation over time.
Passport more comfortable and better fuel economy.
Nice review, I would say that the rear seats recline was a missed point. When I swapped out from driving i was able to recline back and sleep. Still not the most comfortable rear seats but its not the worst.
What vehicle has the recliningrear seats?
@@rauljroybal the 4runner has rear reclining seats. Not sure about the 7 seater version though.
passport also has reclining and sliding back seats
10% of my off roading is farm paths or fields, the Passport suits me for the 90% highway/rough back roads. the lack of skid plates can be fixed with aftermarket goodies (should be factory equipped). if the snow is too deep for the Passport, i need to stay home!
We left the pavement in our Fourth gen 4R quite a few times. I miss it so much (Midwest rust made it a special cause)… Now just can’t afford to buy the new 4R as it stands. We have a trail sport now at a much more affordable price
If you opt for a Limited/SR5 4Runner with a third row the 2nd row seating is adjustable forward/back and adjustable back rest.
Can you please compare a Jeep with a corvette? Love these videos great job!
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It comes down to if you want a true body on frame truck that is a true 4x4 vehicle with lockers & a low range & can tow it’s a no brainer! 4 Runner baby!
Outstanding comparison video 👍👍👍 Love the orange on the 4Runner. I’ll never go off-roading so I’ll save my money and go with the Passport Trailsport. I’ll take the poser 😂
Great comparison.
I got a brand new 23 TRD Pro for 56k (USD). Love it!.
The honda is a good vehicle, but it's a toy compared to the 4runner, love my 2016 4runner trail with kdss. Hands down the 4runner.
Man I love your reviews.
Ive got the 4runner. I wanted long term reliability, high resale value and a bullet proof tank. No regrets.
Btw is that the power lines out by the Bruce power plant?
Nope
@@TruckKingk
That lag he was talking about in the Honda is the electronic throttle ( no cable)same in the 4 Runner. U can but a module that fixes that.
Currently have FJ Cruiser, and while I don't go off road much, the Honda would be more than enough for me. But its those small things that I don't like. Big #1 is that push button shift selector. Hated in the Accord we had. #2 Roll down rear window. I will take that over auto-lift hatch. On that note, the money savings for the Honda is a big plus, just a little disappointed in Honda's recent reliability issues. So I don't know which I would buy! 😞
Family member calls they're stuck out in the fields , grab your tools and jump in the 4Runner.
Family member calls they're at a airport 2 states away, grab your coffee and jump into the Pilot.
Question.... the 4runner feels like it has more room for stuff. Yes ? No ? And the height for loading ?
I've never owned either, but that 4Runner just looks amazing in terms of classic, legendary rugged manly trucks. It's been one of the best looking trucks on the road for a long time. By comparison the Honda looks almost like a small minivan inside and out. That said, I still really like the passport and would own one myself, it's a great medium sized SUV and is clearly superior on-road..in acceleration, handling, MPG, and overall comfort. But the 4runner obviously rules off-road, as well as in legacy, and simply blows the Honda out of the water in "truck" appearance. I would turn and look every time seeing that 4runner, and likely never even notice the Honda.
The “dinosaur” off roader with much bigger tires and a 5 speed gearbox getting less than 10% worse fuel economy. That’s a WIN.
So, that means if you just go off road once a while, then the Honda passports is the winner !
Steve you had me at the GT snow Racer in the back of the Toyota! The TRD Pro wins!
That's the actual GT Snow Racer both Matthew and I used as kids. It's been hanging in a garage for many years, and now our kids love it.
Some toys never get old!
This wont even be close. I already know the winner. That's as far as I'm watching.
The 4 Runner looks a lot like the 2nd gen Tacoma and had the same power train which is dead reliable. Some models/years of Honda have had transmission issues. Both are great vehicles. I am a loyal Toyota guy and would take the 4 Runner.
the 2nd Gen Honda Passport had REAL skid plates.. for engine radiator.. fuel tank.. and transfer case... hopefully Honda remembers its prior Generation and gets more real with the Trailsport.
I have two 4runners and I can tell you my dog (Greatdane mix) hated the back window.. If the vehicle is running, he always wanna be up front so I gave him a side window and he used it, never the rear window. He used the rear window once; to jump out while I was stopped at the gas station. His poor chin was shaved clean 😅. Miss you Haze RIP big boy..
Poor dog. Bad Toyota.
Honda is for city people and weekend camping. TRD Pro is for Overlanders.
Check out JonDZAdventure. His Passport has done around 100K miles of overlanding all over the US. All it needs are tires and clearance.
Fuel used was closer than I expected. If that Toyota had a 10speed it be the same.
Dang that orange 4runner looks so good in the snow.
Lmao at this test. What’s next, a quarterback showdown between Tom Brady and some junior high kid from any town USA?
And I love how everyone says “best Toyota feature “ with the roll down window when nearly every American station wagon from the 50s and up had em.
4Runner's the best SUV in the world
As much as I love the Toyota 4Runner, I think for my lifestyle, the Honda Passport would make 200% more sense.
Why would you compare not just a TRD, but a TRD pro, against the trailsport? A regular sr5 would be more than fair.
You can recline the second row in the 4Runner which my kids love