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@@pyramydair I really like Crosman products! Ive had a few and never had problems with any until my benjamin Trail pistol Affordable,part avaibility, good warranty and hopefully has I will experiment soon enough great customer service... I am not too worried yet! They rock
Really enjoyed the review, Paul. As a viewer with plenty of air rifles and not in the market for a new one the style of this review was awesome. Having a second person giving their impression while you give yours is a great bonus. Fair and impartial as always, really enjoyed it. If the need arises I will definitely keep a NP2 rifle in mind. Great shooting.
Very good review. And also thumbs up for Crosman for solving the problems in the first manufacturing run of the guns. I am gonna have to get one of these.
Great video and review guys! - LOL, I hope you do not take offense to what I am about to say, but I have to say it! - You guys' really remind me of the old SNL days 'Super fans' when you are sitting at that table! It was the first thing that popped in my head, sorry, couldn't resist! I think it was the glasses and general setting that got me there. - Beyond that, I think you guys' are great, love your videos, keep em' coming!
6:12 They ship'em to Walmart :) Nice review. The factory footage was really good. I almost wanna get one of these and I don't even like rifles....much.
Paul, thanks for your report, i really like it and especially the sound of the benjamin trail np2, but in Russia it has really high price, and no 0.22 cal. Only 0.177 cal. It's a real pleasure to watch your reports. Keep this going!
Interesting review. I just got the Benjamin Summit NP2, and the first shot was rather loud, this with a 14 grain slug. Honestly, it sounded like a 22lr and the smoke and smell from the barrel reminded me of going to the range. Mistakenly, I ordered some 25 grain slugs, not realizing that they were for PCP guns. The Benjamin had no problems sending them either but didn't appear anywhere near as quiet as the rifle you were shooting. I have not had time to go target shooting, but if your experience is anything close to what I get out of the rifle, I will be thrilled. Knocking little steel targets over at 65 yards with an air rifle is impressive... And I will take minute of squirrel head at 35 yards all day long as a realistic expectation. The summit only set me back $160, so I am sure not to judge it too harshly. As far as the glass? It's ok, but I am tempted to pull my Nikon Monarch off my Mosin Nagant M28/76 and see what she will do with decent glass.
Paul, I noticed that you had a different scope on your rifle in the video. Did your original scope fail. Mine did and I bought another from a different source and got similar results to yours. I'm very disappointed at the scope that came with it. I want to return it to Crosman so they can examine it and possibly repair it so others don't get a lemon, but Pyramid said to keep it all together in case I need to return the whole thing. Your tour of the factory was very nice. That's one of the main reasons I purchased the NP2. It's assembled here by American, NY workers. I like my NP2 and have ordered a better trigger. I see yours was breaking pretty easily. I'd figure mine a lot more than the results you have. If you would like, I'll send you my results when I get the new trigger and really put it to the test. Let me know.
You know, you can adjust the objective on that stock CP scope. Just turn the end and it will focus on what ever you are aiming at. I don't know why so many people miss this.
Yes that trick can be done, but most of the time the image can become distorted around the edges. As long as there is enough thread on the objective lens and you don't degas it, it can work in a pinch.
Mr. Capello, please tell us viewers what scope you were using for your accuracy test shots! You're obviously not using the stock "CenterPoint 4X32" scope. Maybe I missed something, but I never even heard you mention what scope you were using. Integrity matters...
I'm having a hard time achieving the kind of grouping that you guys are getting with this rifle. I feel like I have trigger controle down, hitting the wall on the first stage and pulling the second stage rather quickly. I'm using the artillery hold and letting the recoil do what it wants to. Everything is tightened down and secure, I'm having some really inconsistent grouping, I have gone through 5 different types of pellets shooting at 20 yards. My best pellet was the jsb jumbo heavy.
I have held quite a few Trail NP2s and every one of them had some amount of barrel droop. Some of them so bad, I know they didn't go through that jig. Some of them had droop but either the compression tube was canted in the stock, or the breach slot milled crooked which resulted in the barrel drooping off to one side of the gun. That said, if the droop is only moderate, it's not hard to fix. Simply file down where the underside of the breach meets the stainless pin in full lockup. Just a little bit at a time and you can bring the barrel to almost true. Another thing that bugs me is how the scope mounts are not mounted level/square. They all lean to one side or the other like the compression tube wasn't level before the scope mount was attached. The scope can be rotated in the rings so the crosshairs are level but it is annoying none-the-less. Another mod that is an improvement is to replace the plastic pivot washers with brass ones of the same size and thickness. They can be found at home improvement stores in the hardware section; 2 to a bag which is enough needed for 1 rifle. This removes side to side play in the barrel while allowing the barrel to move freely. As for pellets, I have found my gun to really like the H&N Field Target Trophy 14.66gr sorted to 5.53mm. They seal well in the breach every time, shoot consistent and tight groups. For hunting, I use the H&N Baracuda Match 21.14gr also sorted to 5.53mm. They carry a lot of energy downrange, seal well in the breach every time, and shoot very tight groups as well. All that said... The rifle is a great one with a few refinements. Fun to shoot and plenty of power for most table fare. Thank you for this video, information, and walk-through of the factory.
Paul Capello Interested in getting one of these guns but which is caliber is better suited for my needs. Will be used for squirrel and crow varmint control. Two of my friends have the .177 cal and I have never had a run in with.22 cal.
I didn't hear you address the issue of the plastic barrel shroud cracking,is that something that has been addressed, or is it something that isn't as common as some reviews may suggest? Love your reviews!
Crosman had the factory change the chemical composition of the plastic barrel cone near the breech block (the actual shroud is aluminum) and it is now much more robust. No cracking issues so far. Thanks for watching!
I just got the np2 xl for a couple of weeks and the scope rail fell off without the scope on i now have the rail secured with hose clamps and a red dot scope what a joke but it works
LOL, I had the EXACT SAME thing happen with a Benj NP2 XL Trail I bought (wood stock). Scope mount flew right off after about 200 shots. Sept. 2014. It was a good excuse to return it for a refund because in the time I had it I found out about how sensitive these springers are to the way they are held in terms of POI. The POI will shift depending on if there is a brace, free standing, leaning against a tree, kneeling, etc. I read about the "artillery hold" and how its import to be consistent in the way it is held to keep the POI consistent. Its because there is so much (relatively speaking) recoil in these types of air guns and the pellet is still in the barrel when all of this is going on. I did find that it had a high potential for accuracy if you always braced it the same exact way, but to me that is not a realistic scenario for what I want to do. I shoot freehand, from the bench, stand, kneel, brace against a tree or other object, etc. Oh yea, and the Pro Chrono measured only 675fps with Crossman 14.3gr pellets, much slower than I expected. I really liked the wood thumbhole stock, and overall if you don't mind the pitfalls listed above, its a good airgun. So then I learned about PCPs and the Benjamin Discovery and Marauder. I got a Marauder and that was that. Super accurate, little recoil, almost impervious to different holds, adjustable/tunable everything. 14.3gr Crossmans go out at 870fps. 18.1grainers go 770fps with standard factory tuning (which you can adjust yourself). If you can, save up the coin and go for a Marauder. Or Discovery if you don't mind the noise. Benjamin hit a home run with these. Absolutely the best bang for your buck out there.
I did buy me trail np2 flew days ago and i am totaly disapointed with accuracy. I did try diferent type of pellets but cant make one good group. First i was thinking that problem is in stock optic but i did put 2 diferent on to be sure... groups were the same. you have to make corrections at elevation all the time. There seems to be problem in barell. my best group i did with trail np2 on 15m was the same i did with my gamo hunter extreme on 45m!
Crosman lacks QA/QC QMS methodologies. My NP2 was dirty and packed without care. Unlike my Umarex Impact .22 springer. Boxed and brand new clean like a champ. Also NP2 seems to shoot 14.3g pellets anywhere from 780 to 830 FPS, variation within the mfg. processes?
Good review but two questions: 1) What scope were you using? and 2) The .177 sounded MUCH louder than the .22 but you only showed the 83dB. What was .177's sound reading? My need is for as quiet a rifle as possible.
The scope I used on the .22 was the Hawke Airmax EV 4-12x50. The .177 NP2 was shooting lead-free H&N Field Target Green pellets at supersonic speeds, hence the rimfire-like report. Using H&N Baracuda pellets with the .177 the velocity was in the high 900's and much quieter at subsonic speeds.
Hey there, I'm debating on whether to get this one or the NP XL. I'd get this one if there's a solid way to know if I'm getting one of the late production, fixed-issues model. So if anyone has any tips on how to tell whether I'm about to be sold one of the crappy ones or one of the fixed ones, it'd be greatly appreciated. Perhaps a serial number to look for, or a particular detail that tells them apart? Any help would be great. Thanks in advance, and thanks for the great video :-)1
I think I will stick with my np xl 1100, the np2 looks not bad but the speed is a little low. I hope they make a np2 XL, do you know if there are any plans of that?
Sr.Capello...mi preguntas es si la mira que usa para el video, es la que viene con el rifle al cromprarlo? ya que estoy interesado en comprar uno acá en México...
HOLD ON! I was curious to see how the picatinny rail was affixed to the "receiver", because the first one (and mine) flew off, and there were no screws or weld marks or anything underneath. What do they use- a light coat of Locktite??
Mr Capello I had recently seen a post about Benjamin coming out with a new model air rifle. Called a BulldDog. Have you with all of your resources heard or seen anything on this yet. ? Another question I have is . . How come they stopped offering us the o ublic the rogue .357 Just when it started taking off on a popular note from my thought on this awesome air rifle.
i really like the videos you make for pyramid, just have to make a website, then ill be with the affiliate program! how many times had you shot the gun before accuracy test?
I'm looking to get a new .22 caliber air rifle. The three I've been looking at are the benjamin trail np2, the benjamin trail np xl 1101, and the umarex octane. Which do you think would be the best buy?
Why does everyone make a big deal about the Crosman nitro piston gun being made in China look at all your hi dollar scopes and range finders they R made in China along with your hi dollar fishing reel like Shimano Pflueger Dawa list go on and on we Don't make anything in America just about everything you Buy in walmart comes from china Wake up people
Its because usually when they make shit in China its made to be as cheep as possible . not that the Chinese's can't make good stuff but usually . unless they are told to they will make cheep shit . it all depends on what the company in the USA wants them to make quality Or cheep . if the company does not specifically tell them how they want something made they will. Cut corners .Examples use cheep materials for Example. like using low grade steel or paint .
Don Wilson I think it's all about profit USA company pay pennies for labor and materials where if made in the USA you would have to pay more or labor and materials. It's all a numbers game money money money.
Not sure but this gun (mine anyway) is not good at all. I'm wondering why people would put a new scope on this gun! The factory scope FAR exceeds the gun. I bought the reviews and put a new mildot AO scope on it and put the NP2 scope on my 23' bulk 2240 and can hit a squirrel in the eye at 25 yards all day long with it. I can't even hit a squirrel at 10 yards with the NP2 since it seems to group 1.5'' at best with a 4 inch group at worst, this is at 10 yards mind you. Yes it's broken in, yes the screws are tight, yes I am holding it "right", yes I've tried different pellets. I've came across many who have same results.
Hi there I have a .177 version black lightning. Looks very close to yours. Was wanting to know if the piston slam will get lighter as the rifle breaks in?? Great shooting by the way. As far as the squirrels and other critters your after. I believe you will nail every one of em.
I’m new to this brake barrel air guns. The triggers every on complains about. And that why I don’t buy one. You would think that they would upgrade the trigger by now.
Well, here it is a year after the above film was shown and I just brought home a new Benjamin Jim Shockey NP2 in .22 cal. Looks good, feels good, shoots good...until the 12th shot when the picatinney rail popped off just like at 1:28 in this video. Seems like the rail is double-sided taped onto the rifle...that's it, no screw mounts at all, just tape. So back it goes. Maybe I should buy "Made in China" after all.
So what should i buy ?? Im using it all year long, winter snow included , for pest control and hunting rabbits , crows ect .... Shot distance could vary from 10 to 75 yards max. Which pellets would ya'll recommend ? I have watched hundreds of hours on youtube for my next gun. I now have BJM classic .22 , BJM legacy .22 shockey. Thank you Brothers ;)
Go with the .22 if you are looking for pest control. As for pellets, your going to have to test a few and see what pellets your gun likes. Every barrel is a little bit different.
I'm surprised he got that gun to shoot as good as he did with only a hundred rounds through it I've got two of these Nitro piston 2-22 Caliber guns took me five to seven hundred shots to get the gun to settle down so I could grow up with it well
Wood or Synthetic stock? What kind of groups are you getting? What kind of pellets are you shooting? How are you holding the rifle? I have the wood stock model in .22 cal. I have put about 700 Crosman Premier Hollow Points from walmart through mine using various holds. It still won't group and is all over the place. Also tried better scope. I am about to take it back if I cannot get it to group. Shooting anywhere from 7 - 50 yards. It may group 2-3 then start throwing them somewhere else. I have worked on the trigger and removed the play from the barrel hinge to no avail.
I have two of the Nitro piston 2 Guns in 22 caliber and they like the PCP Benjamin pellets better than the Crosman I usually use the Crosman premieres to break a gun in but they do not shoot good out of my guns either give the PCP Benjamin pellets and try they shoot good out of my guns and the GPS 15 point 89 grain pellet they work good out of them too and I shoot the Falcon pellet and .22 caliber and it shoots good and it's a clean pellet
Nice review, Paul. What brand fore arm rest are you using. Your video helped with my purchase decision; my trail np2 combo is on the way (w/CP 4-6 40mg + sling).
+Mr NiceKnife that noise you heard with the .177 was a shock wave created after the pellet exceeded the sound barrier. I didn't buy the .177 for that exact reason, it spooks your game unlike the .22
I was asking about the decibel level not the sonic crack, the pellet can be subsonic if you increase the pellet weight, my gammo mach1 rated at 1420fps is very quiet using 10.5 grain pellets but supersonic using light pellets.
I disagree.... Velocity will increase.... if you can find a Beeman catalog (from the 1980's) you will believe.... the present Beeman airguns was bought out and things have changed
I look at it this way, like all other test someone says this, and another says that... no prob, we both believe different, and leave it at that.... I want a longer barrel
hi help me Benjamin NP2 - Airgun .22 or Crosman Nitro Venom NP .22 hi i live in chile and want to buy one of these think that maintaining NP2 is very high vs the np which advise me
Serious question for you guys. I presume that you are from the USA, apologies if this is not the case, but I just wanted to ask you why you bother at all with an air gun when you can get a firearm like a .22 or similar? What is the reason for going with air over a firearm? In the UK getting a firearm license is almost impossible so we are forced down the airgun route, but the US is amazingly easy to buy and own a firearm. Curious that is all.
Same power plant and barrel etc so I'd get the Phoenix or Summit. Plus dovetail rails don't break off. They attached the picatinny rail better now, like the older Trails, but even those pop off now and then. Time will tell...
We do not carry the white animal silhouettes anymore, but we do still have a ton of other animal silhouette targets. www.pyramydair.com/a/Accessories/Targets_traps_and_ranges/102
Hi :) i own the Benjamin Trail NP 1500 xl... but, it feels a little big, im no littel man, im 182cm and my weight is 87 kilo... but this rifle feels just to big... so im looking for a little smaler rifle, and im thinking of this one, but i absolutly hate this stock :( the wood stock is much better i think, but here in my country its just the syntetic stock availible... and it cost to much to import it... but i can wait some more :) hope its good. and yea...we are restricted to 177.cal... if we wil have 5.5mm we must have a type of license from the police, so the shps dont import those since it simes nobody bother to have 5.5mm :( sorry for my bad english.... Best regards from Norway
i got the same air rifle .22 cal 1100 model in canadian verison i just got a chronograph it, i always wondered how much FPS it goes,,so i found out my shooting with 14.3 grain pellets by crosman it only go's just over 730 to 740,,I DON'T B.S,, it's also the same as my .177 cal 1400 model,only extra 750 to 760 using JSB 8.44 grain you americans are lucky
Forget about it being as quiet if you live in canaduh .we get the non silenced insert stuck in the end of the barrel.quieter then a Springer though providing you dun break the sound barrier
hello :) which caliber well be better for shooting on 50 meters to 70 meters distance (paper shield shooting) ? ,and why 177 caliber is making more noise like .22 ? Great review I subscripe Your channel !
Got squirrels that take peanuts from my hand in my backyard.cant really see the fun in shooting one..unless I was dieing of starvation .... tin cans and targets for me👍
and after you shoot the gun five to seven hundred rounds to break it in it's got a pretty good trigger on it it's a two-stage once you get it adjusted right I don't know why you it couldn't be a target shooting gun
Same gun but diff stock and scope rail, so no point. It will shoot different, just as another Trail off the assy line will be different. If you had 100 Trails you'd get reviews ranging from excellent to sucks. The gun you buy will be in there somewhere. It's a gamble but that's how basically all cheaper guns are. You can always return lame ones, and after the warranty expires Crosman will sell you parts at a low or very reasonable price, unlike other mfg's.
Those #'s PA posted are advertised #'s given by Crosman. Real #'s are 4-6ftlbs less for each caliber. Another example would be the old Trail Hardwood at 23ftlbs, and the Titan or other cheaper guns at 18ftlbs. They have the same power power plant! The difference is the Trail was more $/profit so they simply lied about the power. Reality is if you got 18 you got a good one, 23 is flat out impossible.
Excellent video on the NP2. I liked the factory assembly tour also. Thanks!
I really enjoyed the look around the Crosman assembly plant. Thanks for the good video.
The little factory tour was really nice!
Nice video
Crosman is one of the very few airgun factories still making some airguns in the USA. They rock!
@@pyramydair I really like Crosman products!
Ive had a few and never had problems with any until my benjamin Trail pistol
Affordable,part avaibility, good warranty and hopefully has I will experiment soon enough great customer service...
I am not too worried yet!
They rock
Really enjoyed the review, Paul. As a viewer with plenty of air rifles and not in the market for a new one the style of this review was awesome. Having a second person giving their impression while you give yours is a great bonus. Fair and impartial as always, really enjoyed it. If the need arises I will definitely keep a NP2 rifle in mind. Great shooting.
Very good review. And also thumbs up for Crosman for solving the problems in the first manufacturing run of the guns.
I am gonna have to get one of these.
Really enjoyed the factory tour. Thanks.
Great little air guns I love it love your reviews y'all keep up the good work you do.Thanks
The format of the review is amazing! Paul, you should consider doing other reviews just like this one.
WELL DONE PAUL and GUY!
Great video and review guys! - LOL, I hope you do not take offense to what I am about to say, but I have to say it! - You guys' really remind me of the old SNL days 'Super fans' when you are sitting at that table! It was the first thing that popped in my head, sorry, couldn't resist! I think it was the glasses and general setting that got me there. - Beyond that, I think you guys' are great, love your videos, keep em' coming!
Best agr episode so far wish all your episodes where so long and wih so much content
6:12 They ship'em to Walmart :)
Nice review. The factory footage was really good. I almost wanna get one of these and I don't even like rifles....much.
Paul, thanks for your report, i really like it and especially the sound of the benjamin trail np2, but in Russia it has really high price, and no 0.22 cal. Only 0.177 cal. It's a real pleasure to watch your reports.
Keep this going!
Nice Maraxus Mod! Have the Maraxus and the NP2 and love them both.
Interesting review. I just got the Benjamin Summit NP2, and the first shot was rather loud, this with a 14 grain slug. Honestly, it sounded like a 22lr and the smoke and smell from the barrel reminded me of going to the range. Mistakenly, I ordered some 25 grain slugs, not realizing that they were for PCP guns. The Benjamin had no problems sending them either but didn't appear anywhere near as quiet as the rifle you were shooting.
I have not had time to go target shooting, but if your experience is anything close to what I get out of the rifle, I will be thrilled. Knocking little steel targets over at 65 yards with an air rifle is impressive... And I will take minute of squirrel head at 35 yards all day long as a realistic expectation. The summit only set me back $160, so I am sure not to judge it too harshly. As far as the glass? It's ok, but I am tempted to pull my Nikon Monarch off my Mosin Nagant M28/76 and see what she will do with decent glass.
Paul, I noticed that you had a different scope on your rifle in the video. Did your original scope fail. Mine did and I bought another from a different source and got similar results to yours. I'm very disappointed at the scope that came with it. I want to return it to Crosman so they can examine it and possibly repair it so others don't get a lemon, but Pyramid said to keep it all together in case I need to return the whole thing.
Your tour of the factory was very nice. That's one of the main reasons I purchased the NP2. It's assembled here by American, NY workers.
I like my NP2 and have ordered a better trigger. I see yours was breaking pretty easily. I'd figure mine a lot more than the results you have. If you would like, I'll send you my results when I get the new trigger and really put it to the test. Let me know.
Performs well. Very pleased
I got mine last week in .22 it had barrel droop so I had to shim the scope, workin fine now
Get adjustable scope rings, shimming the scope can damage it
ok
You know, you can adjust the objective on that stock CP scope. Just turn the end and it will focus on what ever you are aiming at. I don't know why so many people miss this.
Yes that trick can be done, but most of the time the image can become distorted around the edges. As long as there is enough thread on the objective lens and you don't degas it, it can work in a pinch.
Great video. Thanks. I more sure of my choice now. Np2 all the way :)
Mr. Capello, please tell us viewers what scope you were using for your accuracy test shots! You're obviously not using the stock "CenterPoint 4X32" scope. Maybe I missed something, but I never even heard you mention what scope you were using. Integrity matters...
YES FIRST. After pyramidair. Great video keep them coming
Paul you couldn't have a better "Guy" to partner up with.
Hi Guy!!
Dave C. on PA chat. :)
Is there a way to tell if you have an older defective unit or the newer corrected one?
I'm having a hard time achieving the kind of grouping that you guys are getting with this rifle. I feel like I have trigger controle down, hitting the wall on the first stage and pulling the second stage rather quickly. I'm using the artillery hold and letting the recoil do what it wants to. Everything is tightened down and secure, I'm having some really inconsistent grouping, I have gone through 5 different types of pellets shooting at 20 yards. My best pellet was the jsb jumbo heavy.
+Patrick Graves have u ran any rags through the barrel to clean it. and also have u shot a couple hundred rounds through it to break it in
I have held quite a few Trail NP2s and every one of them had some amount of barrel droop. Some of them so bad, I know they didn't go through that jig. Some of them had droop but either the compression tube was canted in the stock, or the breach slot milled crooked which resulted in the barrel drooping off to one side of the gun. That said, if the droop is only moderate, it's not hard to fix. Simply file down where the underside of the breach meets the stainless pin in full lockup. Just a little bit at a time and you can bring the barrel to almost true. Another thing that bugs me is how the scope mounts are not mounted level/square. They all lean to one side or the other like the compression tube wasn't level before the scope mount was attached. The scope can be rotated in the rings so the crosshairs are level but it is annoying none-the-less. Another mod that is an improvement is to replace the plastic pivot washers with brass ones of the same size and thickness. They can be found at home improvement stores in the hardware section; 2 to a bag which is enough needed for 1 rifle. This removes side to side play in the barrel while allowing the barrel to move freely.
As for pellets, I have found my gun to really like the H&N Field Target Trophy 14.66gr sorted to 5.53mm. They seal well in the breach every time, shoot consistent and tight groups. For hunting, I use the H&N Baracuda Match 21.14gr also sorted to 5.53mm. They carry a lot of energy downrange, seal well in the breach every time, and shoot very tight groups as well.
All that said... The rifle is a great one with a few refinements. Fun to shoot and plenty of power for most table fare. Thank you for this video, information, and walk-through of the factory.
Paul Capello Interested in getting one of these guns but which is caliber is better suited for my needs. Will be used for squirrel and crow varmint control. Two of my friends have the .177 cal and I have never had a run in with.22 cal.
Question have you guys checked out the Benjamin Varmit Hunter yet as i am between the the np2 and the varmit hunter help me decide.
Thanks
I bought two Benjamin trail XL NP .25 caliber in July and August of 2020 and sent them both back after the scope base fell off. Buyer beware
Paul you a No.1
Your show is the best!
I didn't hear you address the issue of the plastic barrel shroud cracking,is that something that has been addressed, or is it something that isn't as common as some reviews may suggest? Love your reviews!
Crosman had the factory change the chemical composition of the plastic barrel cone near the breech block (the actual shroud is aluminum) and it is now much more robust. No cracking issues so far. Thanks for watching!
I have had the NP2 Synthetic for one month now. I have no cracks in the shroud at all. about 900 shots so far.
I just got the np2 xl for a couple of weeks and the scope rail fell off without the scope on i now have the rail secured with hose clamps and a red dot scope what a joke but it works
I would’ve returned the gun asap
LOL, I had the EXACT SAME thing happen with a Benj NP2 XL Trail I bought (wood stock). Scope mount flew right off after about 200 shots. Sept. 2014. It was a good excuse to return it for a refund because in the time I had it I found out about how sensitive these springers are to the way they are held in terms of POI. The POI will shift depending on if there is a brace, free standing, leaning against a tree, kneeling, etc. I read about the "artillery hold" and how its import to be consistent in the way it is held to keep the POI consistent. Its because there is so much (relatively speaking) recoil in these types of air guns and the pellet is still in the barrel when all of this is going on. I did find that it had a high potential for accuracy if you always braced it the same exact way, but to me that is not a realistic scenario for what I want to do. I shoot freehand, from the bench, stand, kneel, brace against a tree or other object, etc. Oh yea, and the Pro Chrono measured only 675fps with Crossman 14.3gr pellets, much slower than I expected. I really liked the wood thumbhole stock, and overall if you don't mind the pitfalls listed above, its a good airgun.
So then I learned about PCPs and the Benjamin Discovery and Marauder. I got a Marauder and that was that. Super accurate, little recoil, almost impervious to different holds, adjustable/tunable everything. 14.3gr Crossmans go out at 870fps. 18.1grainers go 770fps with standard factory tuning (which you can adjust yourself). If you can, save up the coin and go for a Marauder. Or Discovery if you don't mind the noise. Benjamin hit a home run with these. Absolutely the best bang for your buck out there.
I did buy me trail np2 flew days ago and i am totaly disapointed with accuracy. I did try diferent type of pellets but cant make one good group. First i was thinking that problem is in stock optic but i did put 2 diferent on to be sure... groups were the same. you have to make corrections at elevation all the time. There seems to be problem in barell. my best group i did with trail np2 on 15m was the same i did with my gamo hunter extreme on 45m!
Crosman lacks QA/QC QMS methodologies. My NP2 was dirty and packed without care. Unlike my Umarex Impact .22 springer. Boxed and brand new clean like a champ. Also NP2 seems to shoot 14.3g pellets anywhere from 780 to 830 FPS, variation within the mfg. processes?
Very nice air rifle
I see that you're using about a 50mm scope instead of the stock 32mm scope that it came with. How did stock scope perform?
You guys should use jsb 18.13
Good review but two questions: 1) What scope were you using? and 2) The .177 sounded MUCH louder than the .22 but you only showed the 83dB. What was .177's sound reading? My need is for as quiet a rifle as possible.
The scope I used on the .22 was the Hawke Airmax EV 4-12x50. The .177 NP2 was shooting lead-free H&N Field Target Green pellets at supersonic speeds, hence the rimfire-like report. Using H&N Baracuda pellets with the .177 the velocity was in the high 900's and much quieter at subsonic speeds.
Hey there, I'm debating on whether to get this one or the NP XL. I'd get this one if there's a solid way to know if I'm getting one of the late production, fixed-issues model. So if anyone has any tips on how to tell whether I'm about to be sold one of the crappy ones or one of the fixed ones, it'd be greatly appreciated. Perhaps a serial number to look for, or a particular detail that tells them apart? Any help would be great. Thanks in advance, and thanks for the great video :-)1
What scope was the shooter using during the accuracy test? Was it the same scope that comes with the combo?
Why the sound was so different, the .22 was quiet while I noticed the couple of shots from the other a way louder. Any reason for that?
I think I will stick with my np xl 1100, the np2 looks not bad but the speed is a little low. I hope they make a np2 XL, do you know if there are any plans of that?
Sr.Capello...mi preguntas es si la mira que usa para el video, es la que viene con el rifle al cromprarlo? ya que estoy interesado en comprar uno acá en México...
The crosman factory looks way cool..are they hiring???
HOLD ON! I was curious to see how the picatinny rail was affixed to the "receiver", because the first one (and mine) flew off, and there were no screws or weld marks or anything underneath. What do they use- a light coat of Locktite??
I lost count while accuracy testing, my groups are only 9 shots. My bad :)
Mr Capello
I had recently seen a post about Benjamin coming out with a new model air rifle. Called a BulldDog.
Have you with all of your resources heard or seen anything on this yet. ? Another question I have is . . How come they stopped offering us the o ublic the rogue .357
Just when it started taking off on a popular note from my thought on this awesome air rifle.
i really like the videos you make for pyramid, just have to make a website, then ill be with the affiliate program! how many times had you shot the gun before accuracy test?
I put about 100 shots through it before accuracy testing, just to help the rifle settle in a bit. Thanks for watching!
Hey Paul!!! Do you know if Crosman is still making the np XL?? And the np2 is is really better than the original np ???
Please do a review on the crosman tr77np/tr77nps
I'm looking to get a new .22 caliber air rifle. The three I've been looking at are the benjamin trail np2, the benjamin trail np xl 1101, and the umarex octane. Which do you think would be the best buy?
1UpPepperMint get this one. you can one shot a skunk at 70 yards without even trying.
Why does everyone make a big deal about the Crosman nitro piston gun being made in China look at all your hi dollar scopes and range finders they R made in China along with your hi dollar fishing reel like Shimano Pflueger Dawa list go on and on we Don't make anything in America just about everything you Buy in walmart comes from china Wake up people
Its because usually when they make shit in China its made to be as cheep as possible . not that the Chinese's can't make good stuff but usually . unless they are told to they will make cheep shit . it all depends on what the company in the USA wants them to make quality Or cheep . if the company does not specifically tell them how they want something made they will. Cut corners .Examples use cheep materials for Example. like using low grade steel or paint .
Don Wilson I think it's all about profit USA company pay pennies for labor and materials where if made in the USA you would have to pay more or labor and materials. It's all a numbers game money money money.
Not sure but this gun (mine anyway) is not good at all. I'm wondering why people would put a new scope on this gun! The factory scope FAR exceeds the gun. I bought the reviews and put a new mildot AO scope on it and put the NP2 scope on my 23' bulk 2240 and can hit a squirrel in the eye at 25 yards all day long with it. I can't even hit a squirrel at 10 yards with the NP2 since it seems to group 1.5'' at best with a 4 inch group at worst, this is at 10 yards mind you. Yes it's broken in, yes the screws are tight, yes I am holding it "right", yes I've tried different pellets. I've came across many who have same results.
Shimano is japanese
Hi there I have a .177 version black lightning. Looks very close to yours. Was wanting to know if the piston slam will get lighter as the rifle breaks in?? Great shooting by the way. As far as the squirrels and other critters your after. I believe you will nail every one of em.
how did the .177 group . or is that why you only showed the .22 targets
is there any advantage of an Air Gun red dot being mounted on the rifle for close quarters pest control since the rifle doesn't come with open sights?
A red dot sight most likely will not hold up to the powerful double recoil of the NP2
NP2 .22 LOVES JSB 18.1g
I’m new to this brake barrel air guns. The triggers every on complains about. And that why I don’t buy one. You would think that they would upgrade the trigger by now.
It's cool that you show how the gun is built, but you don't show the weld of the pic rail to the compression tube, the actual thing that broke.
how do you lube it and what kind?
What scope was paul using in the accuracy test?
A piece of shit Centerpoint china scope
Could you review the Walther Terrus .22 cal ?
Well, here it is a year after the above film was shown and I just brought home a new Benjamin Jim Shockey NP2 in .22 cal. Looks good, feels good, shoots good...until the 12th shot when the picatinney rail popped off just like at 1:28 in this video. Seems like the rail is double-sided taped onto the rifle...that's it, no screw mounts at all, just tape. So back it goes. Maybe I should buy "Made in China" after all.
where do you get those little steel animals from
So what should i buy ?? Im using it all year long, winter snow included , for pest control and hunting rabbits , crows ect .... Shot distance could vary from 10 to 75 yards max.
Which pellets would ya'll recommend ?
I have watched hundreds of hours on youtube for my next gun. I now have BJM classic .22 , BJM legacy .22 shockey.
Thank you Brothers ;)
Should i get the NP2 in .22 cal OR. .177 cal ?
Go with the .22 if you are looking for pest control. As for pellets, your going to have to test a few and see what pellets your gun likes. Every barrel is a little bit different.
+Never seen Before Videos if you are hunting/killing, .22
I'm surprised he got that gun to shoot as good as he did with only a hundred rounds through it I've got two of these Nitro piston 2-22 Caliber guns took me five to seven hundred shots to get the gun to settle down so I could grow up with it well
Wood or Synthetic stock? What kind of groups are you getting? What kind of pellets are you shooting? How are you holding the rifle? I have the wood stock model in .22 cal. I have put about 700 Crosman Premier Hollow Points from walmart through mine using various holds. It still won't group and is all over the place. Also tried better scope. I am about to take it back if I cannot get it to group. Shooting anywhere from 7 - 50 yards. It may group 2-3 then start throwing them somewhere else. I have worked on the trigger and removed the play from the barrel hinge to no avail.
I have two of the Nitro piston 2 Guns in 22 caliber and they like the PCP Benjamin pellets better than the Crosman I usually use the Crosman premieres to break a gun in but they do not shoot good out of my guns either give the PCP Benjamin pellets and try they shoot good out of my guns and the GPS 15 point 89 grain pellet they work good out of them too and I shoot the Falcon pellet and .22 caliber and it shoots good and it's a clean pellet
Nice review, Paul.
What brand fore arm rest are you using.
Your video helped with my purchase decision; my trail np2 combo is on the way (w/CP 4-6 40mg + sling).
😆 Checking and adjusting for barrel-droop did no break barrel manufacturer ever!!!
What was the noise with .177?
+Mr NiceKnife that noise you heard with the .177 was a shock wave created after the pellet exceeded the sound barrier. I didn't buy the .177 for that exact reason, it spooks your game unlike the .22
I was asking about the decibel level not the sonic crack, the pellet can be subsonic if you increase the pellet weight, my gammo mach1 rated at 1420fps is very quiet using 10.5 grain pellets but supersonic using light pellets.
ohhh whoops lol
What scope are you using I need a new one
Hello sir banjamin vs gemo which one is better.
we get it, you vape. lol just kidding! very very helpful vid, convinced me to buy this gun
even with the baffle the complete assembly don't look long at all.... I would need a longer barrel
I disagree.... Velocity will increase.... if you can find a Beeman catalog (from the 1980's) you will believe.... the present Beeman airguns was bought out and things have changed
I look at it this way, like all other test someone says this, and another says that... no prob, we both believe different, and leave it at that.... I want a longer barrel
Que buen video muy interesante.
Do the Crosman Diamondback
hi help me Benjamin NP2 - Airgun .22 or Crosman Nitro Venom NP .22 hi i live in chile and want to buy one of these think that maintaining NP2 is very high vs the np which advise me
Paul, can you make a review on Hatsan MOD 25 Supercharger 0.177 cal. in the nearest future? Thanks!
How long can you leave the Phoenix NP2 pumped? 1 hr, 1 day? Thanks
Typically you can leave them cocked for hours but for safety don't if not necessary
Serious question for you guys. I presume that you are from the USA, apologies if this is not the case, but I just wanted to ask you why you bother at all with an air gun when you can get a firearm like a .22 or similar? What is the reason for going with air over a firearm? In the UK getting a firearm license is almost impossible so we are forced down the airgun route, but the US is amazingly easy to buy and own a firearm. Curious that is all.
I have one in .25. It’s a woodchuck slayer.
What the largest game you can take down using the .177? Plz and thank you.
Water buffalo. 🐃 😀👍
wait so how did they fix the weak rail connetion??
Go with this .22 model or the Phoenix .22?
Same power plant and barrel etc so I'd get the Phoenix or Summit. Plus dovetail rails don't break off. They attached the picatinny rail better now, like the older Trails, but even those pop off now and then. Time will tell...
Where do you get those animal targets?
We do not carry the white animal silhouettes anymore, but we do still have a ton of other animal silhouette targets. www.pyramydair.com/a/Accessories/Targets_traps_and_ranges/102
What scope is Paul using
Looks like a Hawke Sport Optics Airmax EV 4-12x50.
Centerpoint 4-16x40
so does all benjamin made in America now? or just this one?
There are a lot of Benjamin and Crosman guns built in America. See them all here: www.pyramydair.com/built-in-america?
You did not announce the chrony numbers fps
The same reason they sell them expensive and it very easy to make
Hi :)
i own the Benjamin Trail NP 1500 xl... but, it feels a little big, im no littel man, im 182cm and my weight is 87 kilo... but this rifle feels just to big... so im looking for a little smaler rifle, and im thinking of this one, but i absolutly hate this stock :( the wood stock is much better i think, but here in my country its just the syntetic stock availible... and it cost to much to import it... but i can wait some more :) hope its good. and yea...we are restricted to 177.cal... if we wil have 5.5mm we must have a type of license from the police, so the shps dont import those since it simes nobody bother to have 5.5mm :( sorry for my bad english....
Best regards from Norway
You guys are funny....The ones that don't pass inspection go to Walmart. Everyone knows that, lol.
what should I do for mantience?
i got the same air rifle .22 cal 1100 model in canadian verison i just got a chronograph it, i always wondered how much FPS it goes,,so i found out my shooting with 14.3 grain pellets by crosman it only go's just over 730 to 740,,I DON'T B.S,, it's also the same as my .177 cal 1400 model,only extra 750 to 760 using JSB 8.44 grain you americans are lucky
Are all NP2's (.22) really as quiet as this video suggests? My Summit NP2 has the same power plant, but is much louder.
Forget about it being as quiet if you live in canaduh .we get the non silenced insert stuck in the end of the barrel.quieter then a Springer though providing you dun break the sound barrier
hello :) which caliber well be better for shooting on 50 meters to 70 meters distance (paper shield shooting) ? ,and why 177 caliber is making more noise like .22 ?
Great review I subscripe Your channel !
Tomasz Szostak .177 makes more noise than .22 because the .177 is smaller and moving faster making it louder than the slower .22
Do you guys think the Benjamin trail sbd np2 better then that gun
Got squirrels that take peanuts from my hand in my backyard.cant really see the fun in shooting one..unless I was dieing of starvation .... tin cans and targets for me👍
I got cats going through the backyard , they don't bother anyone just living their life , i wont shoot one , but will shoot a trespasser !
Animals just do what they have to do to survive. Killing them for fun is INHUMANE.
and after you shoot the gun five to seven hundred rounds to break it in it's got a pretty good trigger on it it's a two-stage once you get it adjusted right I don't know why you it couldn't be a target shooting gun
LMBleepO. You made my day. Thanks for the nice review, as always.
P.S. The power seems much lower than advertised.
NICE VAPE
do the benjamin summit
Same gun but diff stock and scope rail, so no point. It will shoot different, just as another Trail off the assy line will be different. If you had 100 Trails you'd get reviews ranging from excellent to sucks. The gun you buy will be in there somewhere. It's a gamble but that's how basically all cheaper guns are. You can always return lame ones, and after the warranty expires Crosman will sell you parts at a low or very reasonable price, unlike other mfg's.
does this gun have a lot of recoil?
No you don't feel it
do the ,22 and the .177 have the same foot pounds of energy
No. The .177 will have around 21ft/lbs. The .22 will have around 26ft/lbs
Those #'s PA posted are advertised #'s given by Crosman. Real #'s are 4-6ftlbs less for each caliber. Another example would be the old Trail Hardwood at 23ftlbs, and the Titan or other cheaper guns at 18ftlbs. They have the same power power plant! The difference is the Trail was more $/profit so they simply lied about the power. Reality is if you got 18 you got a good one, 23 is flat out impossible.
can`t believe P.A. even stated that.