So what have we learned here today? You’re allowed to take sound arguments from individuals even if you disagree with them so long as these arguments don’t go against Quran and sunnah explicitly And if an argument does go against Quran and sunnah by default that argument is not logically sound SubhanAllah Jazakum Allahu Khair for this video
This channel and bro Hajji are the madkhalis worst nightmare. Before a year ago they used to response even if they think you mention them. But now noting is coming from them because they can't handle the brothers' refutations 😊 they used to refute people now they have to deal with it Alhamdulillah. By the way, the madkhali viewers have now been getting lower and lower every time. Thank you brothers for opening our eyes may Allah grant you Jannah
I really admire Muhammad Hijab's ability to analyse and breakdown ideas in a clear and impactful way. I think he's always been eloquent but he seems to be maturing a lot of late and coming into his own. A real bright prospect for the future Inshalla! 😊
Well, the scholars aren't wrong to warn people from ilm al kalam. Despite the merits and it's use, it can also be destructive. The advice of the scholars is for the general audience who can't filter out kalam and make a Distinction between the good and the bad one which is fair
SP-files (and Muhammad Hijab), I think you should listen to Shaykh Muhammad Uzayr Shams a renowned Ahl al-Hadith scholar (who is considered an expert on Ibn Taymiyyah and Ibn Qayyim) from India who resides in Saudi-Arabia. His sessions with his student Shaykh Sanaullah Sagartaimi are very beneficial and fruitful. For example in his Urdu discussion entitled "Imam ibn Taimiyyah or Ilm ul Kalam" [1](Imam Ibn Taymiyyah and Ilm al-Kalam) he clearly states that Ibn Taymiyyah didn't oppose Kalam in its entirety but only opposed what is "Kalamun Muhdath" in the same session he takes to task Salafis (despite he himself being an Athari/Ahl al-Hadith) in several places for example he states in the same session that Ibn Taymiyyah and his manhaj isn't understood in Saudi-Arabia, "Now if you see all the Rasail-e-Jamiah [institutes, publishers etc.] in Saudi Arabia you won't find even one such a treatise/paper because they don't understand it, the Radd, the Munakasha [debate] [...] Unfortunately, this manhaj isn't understood, Ibn Taymiyyah is not understood". The Shaykh is talking about taking interest in the qur'anic manhaj which Ibn Taymiyyah followed, that of refutation, debating, indulging in researches of all existent religions and cults et cetera. The Shaykh says that most of these people when called towards this manhaj start saying "Ibn Taymiyya" but these people are only taught three books, he says that, "Al-Hamawiyyah, At-Tadmuriyyah, Aqidah al-Wasitiyyah, and that is it, Khalaas. Ibn Taymiyyah is finished [meaning we've read him completely] and there is nothing [more to read from him]. Enough, we've become experts! [The Shaykh laughs a little] Let's leave it, there are a lot of masa'il." He also states (which is very important in my opinion), "But, what is regretful is that Salafi-people [Salaf-hazaraat] or those Ahl-i-Hadis [Ahl al-Hadith] with them, they don't have the least interest, they think that once they graduate from Madinah-sharif [Islamic University of Madinah al-Munawwarah], and no matter which country they go to they would be able to do da'wah and tabligh correctly, [thinking] 'what all shuquq and shubhuhat are there we can answer [those all].' " There are a several such discussions between Allamah Muhammad Uzayr Shams and his student Shaykh Sanaullah Sagartaimi, they are all in Urdu, but if SP-Files can go through them they would find gems and treasures. We need scholars like Shaykh Muhammad Uzayr Shams and Shaykh Allamah Jalaluddin Qasimi. I request that SP-files translate few discussions of Shaykh Muhammad Uzayr Shams and show it to ikhwan like Muhammad Hijab, Hamza, Subbor they will love it. ______________ [1] "Imam ibn Taimiyyah or Ilm ul Kalam" ua-cam.com/video/4vRnWZsh0d0/v-deo.html Note: In the quotes from the Shaykh's lecture/session the words in square brackets "[]" are that of the translator - these words are either transliteration of original words or just translation or maybe elaborations.
I think the saddest part is that you have Muslims who speak much better English than him yet they trust his judgment and analysis on complex discourses. This then leads them to start labeling people and attacking them based on things that they never even said. It generates confusion.
Wow subhanallah may Allah protect us from the kind of arrogance that warrants not quoting your own brother even whilst parroting his arguments verbatim.
A criticism they use against ZN, is they say he 'uses the Bible for Dawah' (which is true), but they say he shouldn't use the Bible for Dawah, and they use the Hadeeth of when The Prophet (PBUH) scolded Umar (RA) for reading the Taurat.....but when Shamsi uses the Bible for Dawah, it's okay
OMG shame on you hijaab Ali dawa and Shamsi if you have differences make it up off the videos go get a room clear the differences you all disappointed many people who were big fan of you all big shame on you all
Once again I got assured that salafiya is the cause of discord between Muslims everywhere. Wherever they are, they find something they can argue with madhabis upon and distinguish themselves from the rest of the ummah. What is their ultimate purpose? I failed to get my head around it.
Haha hahaha he forgets Hamzas name while knowing everything else loooool.. My god, this akin to saying 'the colour of this fruit is orange with an orange covering, its a citrus and has a sweet and tangy taste, but for the love of me (exactly the problem) I can't remember what this fruit is called'
The disrespect is unreal. Not only does he plagiarize Hamza’s argument, but he forgets his name but remembers the atheists name... Man, sectarianism will be the undoing of the Ummah.
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Salafis have only now stumbled opon logic wow the ummah has been taught this for millennia by ulema .. That's why I steer clear from this new group which is still in its infancy... Follow a madhab which has 1300 hundred years of corrections than these novices
Sorry but Shamsi should go back to school. He is an intellectual peasant. There is not much in him that's left as he goes down this path. InshaAllah he corrects his ways or stops altogether.May Allah SWT guide us all in the correct path.
“I’m no genius, but I’m smart in spots, and I stay around those spots.” - Tom Watson Jealousy is the downfall for a lot of people…Just focus on what you’re good at and if you not going to support your brother in faith at least let him be… These self claimed salafis are suffering severe cognitive dissonance
may Allah reward you brothers, but you know they got an answer for everything. brotha hijab kept saying "what's good for the goose is good for the gander" you and ali would also get a pass but you have to be openly sellafee, if you're known to be a card carrying sellafee, you won't get scrutinized and will always get an honest and fair treatment. as far as al-ghazali, they say right before he passed away may Allah have mercy on his soul , he repented to Allah and reverted back to sellafeeya, I kid you not. may Allah forgive us and make us of those that are truthful
What's good for the goose is not good for the gander What's good for the goose is not good for the gander What's good for the goose is not good for the gander...
Salaam br dawah and br hijab. I have a question.... is protesting in the uk for foreign oppressed Muslims halal? In order to expose or stop the oppression? I know some salafis that say it’s not? What is the truth of the matter?
On Infinite Regress being impossible: actually the argument is from Aristotle. It appears Ibn Sina was the first major Muslim thinker who applied the argument to prove God. Ghazali only commented on Ibn Sina. Keep up the rational thinking. It is beneficial.
والله اني اقولها وقلبي يتحسر اسال الله ان يهدي شمسي واقول اسال الله ان كان هذا الشخص يحمل للمسلمين مشاعر حسد وكره لاخوانه اوكل امري لله واقول حسبي الله ونعم الوكيل واوكل امرك لله ياشمسي ولا زلت لو وجدت كلمه جيده قلتها راح ادعمها ان كانت على الحق ولكن نفسك يجب ان تصلحها حقاً انت يوجد في نيتك شيء على المسلمين فقط لانك لا تعرف وتجهل انت واقف في اي موضع من ما جعلك مرتاب
Lol, I doubt ibn Sena denied siffat, if God is wajib up Wujood, then he must have said siffat that belong to God from which others come. Being wajib ul wujood is necessary for the end the product to exist. Lol, imagine crticisng ibn Sena and trying to throw aqal out of the window, got to love Shamsi 🤣
I wonder if Ali dawah knows all the Arabic scholastic names thrown by Muhammad Hijab😅 his nod seems very ambiguous and so does his expression while listening to those names. Lol. I think Hijab knows it well and uses them to his advantage to keep Ali mum.🤣🤣
سبحان الله ما اجرمهم قناة رائعه صراحه وبينت لي خفايا النفوس وصراحه يعيش بيننا ناس مليئه بالحسد والاخلاق السيئه ويدعون انهم منا وانهم كفؤ لتحدث والدعوه بل ويخطئون العلماء والداعين لله على بصيره Thank you for this video It is shocking how double standards they have
i have a note pholosophy have some logic in it and that logic we have no problem with it because its logic things and what we have in asul al fiqh some of it is pholosophy and some is logic stuff and we have no problem with the logic but we have problem with the (mantq علم المنطق ) and with elm al kalam sorry week english note : im nit madkhaly i hate them i belive they must be killed so no one come and say im from them
link to the original video
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'The pure with it's impurities are better than sectarianism with it's purities' ~ Ali ibn' Abi Taalib (R.A)
Regardless of the disagreements and mocking I love Shamsi, Ali and Muhammad Hijab for the sake of Allah. I benefit every time I hear them talk 🤷🏾♂️
So what have we learned here today? You’re allowed to take sound arguments from individuals even if you disagree with them so long as these arguments don’t go against Quran and sunnah explicitly
And if an argument does go against Quran and sunnah by default that argument is not logically sound SubhanAllah
Jazakum Allahu Khair for this video
This channel and bro Hajji are the madkhalis worst nightmare. Before a year ago they used to response even if they think you mention them. But now noting is coming from them because they can't handle the brothers' refutations 😊 they used to refute people now they have to deal with it Alhamdulillah. By the way, the madkhali viewers have now been getting lower and lower every time. Thank you brothers for opening our eyes may Allah grant you Jannah
Someone correct me if I’m wrong but I think the point hijab is trying to make is “what’s good for the goose is not good for the gander”
He respectfully remembered the Atheists name, but couldn’t remember his brothers
The man just articulated the whole KALAM argument SubhanAllah 😅 word for word from ustadh Hamza
Memorize Hamza's words verbatim....but you cannot recall his name 😑🤣
Learnt something new today..
What's good for the goose is not good for the gander.🤣
"He can barely speak english" 12:20
Look at ali holding his laughter 😂😂
I really admire Muhammad Hijab's ability to analyse and breakdown ideas in a clear and impactful way. I think he's always been eloquent but he seems to be maturing a lot of late and coming into his own. A real bright prospect for the future Inshalla! 😊
"That is straight Hamza Tzortzis"
I can say for sure that Brother Samsi has done one of his biggest mistakes by choosing to speak Philosophy. 😭😬
Basically... it all comes down to this... what's good for the goose is not good for the gander.
Well, the scholars aren't wrong to warn people from ilm al kalam. Despite the merits and it's use, it can also be destructive. The advice of the scholars is for the general audience who can't filter out kalam and make a Distinction between the good and the bad one which is fair
Also the grammar of a language is derived using logic/philosophy, so for someone to say it is haram...you know where this leads.
1 dislike already lol, we all know who that is 😂 😂 😂
“He can barely speak English” the way Ali holds himself not to laugh 😂😂😂
SP-files (and Muhammad Hijab),
I think you should listen to Shaykh Muhammad Uzayr Shams a renowned Ahl al-Hadith scholar (who is considered an expert on Ibn Taymiyyah and Ibn Qayyim) from India who resides in Saudi-Arabia. His sessions with his student Shaykh Sanaullah Sagartaimi are very beneficial and fruitful. For example in his Urdu discussion entitled "Imam ibn Taimiyyah or Ilm ul Kalam" [1](Imam Ibn Taymiyyah and Ilm al-Kalam) he clearly states that Ibn Taymiyyah didn't oppose Kalam in its entirety but only opposed what is "Kalamun Muhdath" in the same session he takes to task Salafis (despite he himself being an Athari/Ahl al-Hadith) in several places for example he states in the same session that Ibn Taymiyyah and his manhaj isn't understood in Saudi-Arabia,
"Now if you see all the Rasail-e-Jamiah [institutes, publishers etc.] in Saudi Arabia you won't find even one such a treatise/paper because they don't understand it, the Radd, the Munakasha [debate] [...] Unfortunately, this manhaj isn't understood, Ibn Taymiyyah is not understood".
The Shaykh is talking about taking interest in the qur'anic manhaj which Ibn Taymiyyah followed, that of refutation, debating, indulging in researches of all existent religions and cults et cetera. The Shaykh says that most of these people when called towards this manhaj start saying "Ibn Taymiyya" but these people are only taught three books, he says that,
"Al-Hamawiyyah, At-Tadmuriyyah, Aqidah al-Wasitiyyah, and that is it, Khalaas. Ibn Taymiyyah is finished [meaning we've read him completely] and there is nothing [more to read from him]. Enough, we've become experts! [The Shaykh laughs a little] Let's leave it, there are a lot of masa'il."
He also states (which is very important in my opinion),
"But, what is regretful is that Salafi-people [Salaf-hazaraat] or those Ahl-i-Hadis [Ahl al-Hadith] with them, they don't have the least interest, they think that once they graduate from Madinah-sharif [Islamic University of Madinah al-Munawwarah], and no matter which country they go to they would be able to do da'wah and tabligh correctly, [thinking] 'what all shuquq and shubhuhat are there we can answer [those all].' "
There are a several such discussions between Allamah Muhammad Uzayr Shams and his student Shaykh Sanaullah Sagartaimi, they are all in Urdu, but if SP-Files can go through them they would find gems and treasures. We need scholars like Shaykh Muhammad Uzayr Shams and Shaykh Allamah Jalaluddin Qasimi. I request that SP-files translate few discussions of Shaykh Muhammad Uzayr Shams and show it to ikhwan like Muhammad Hijab, Hamza, Subbor they will love it.
______________
[1] "Imam ibn Taimiyyah or Ilm ul Kalam" ua-cam.com/video/4vRnWZsh0d0/v-deo.html
Note: In the quotes from the Shaykh's lecture/session the words in square brackets "[]" are that of the translator - these words are either transliteration of original words or just translation or maybe elaborations.
Brothers please dont fight!! Settle this privately!!
I think the saddest part is that you have Muslims who speak much better English than him yet they trust his judgment and analysis on complex discourses.
This then leads them to start labeling people and attacking them based on things that they never even said. It generates confusion.
Wow subhanallah may Allah protect us from the kind of arrogance that warrants not quoting your own brother even whilst parroting his arguments verbatim.
Tbh I can't stand the madkhali anymore. I am 10000% done ! May Allah get rid of that sick cult and their utterly sick ideology
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I think all of the problem rises from not being able to distinguish philosophy from solipsism.
A criticism they use against ZN, is they say he 'uses the Bible for Dawah' (which is true), but they say he shouldn't use the Bible for Dawah, and they use the Hadeeth of when The Prophet (PBUH) scolded Umar (RA) for reading the Taurat.....but when Shamsi uses the Bible for Dawah, it's okay
12:03 if that is not philosophy, what philosophy is he talking about?
Abu Mussab Wajdi also says that the philosophy is haram. I think brother Hijab is talking about him only in the beginning.
What’s good for the goose is not good for the gander
Nice snake plant in the background. One of the best air purifier.
OMG shame on you hijaab Ali dawa and Shamsi if you have differences make it up off the videos go get a room clear the differences you all disappointed many people who were big fan of you all big shame on you all
Once again I got assured that salafiya is the cause of discord between Muslims everywhere. Wherever they are, they find something they can argue with madhabis upon and distinguish themselves from the rest of the ummah. What is their ultimate purpose? I failed to get my head around it.
Hamza tzortzis just awesome I love him
Haha hahaha he forgets Hamzas name while knowing everything else loooool.. My god, this akin to saying
'the colour of this fruit is orange with an orange covering, its a citrus and has a sweet and tangy taste, but for the love of me (exactly the problem) I can't remember what this fruit is called'
The disrespect is unreal. Not only does he plagiarize Hamza’s argument, but he forgets his name but remembers the atheists name...
Man, sectarianism will be the undoing of the Ummah.
I hate infighting.
قال الله تبارك و تعالى
وَقُل لِّعِبَادِي يَقُولُوا الَّتِي هِيَ أَحْسَنُ ۚ إِنَّ الشَّيْطَانَ يَنزَغُ بَيْنَهُمْ ۚ إِنَّ الشَّيْطَانَ كَانَ لِلْإِنسَانِ عَدُوًّا مُّبِينًا (53)
سورة الإسراء
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Zayd:"Hal hadha al sheikh mubtadi'?"
Karim: "Na'am, hwa kadhab, dajjal"
Zayd: " Kam akh ladika?"
Karim: " Thalatha, wahid zindeeq, wahid mubtadi', wa wahid salafi al hamdulillah"
Allah yahdina
Salafis have only now stumbled opon logic wow the ummah has been taught this for millennia by ulema .. That's why I steer clear from this new group which is still in its infancy... Follow a madhab which has 1300 hundred years of corrections than these novices
Whose the brother that had a debate with the Sufi?
Can someone tell me what is that beautiful thing br Hijab is wearing around his neck.
A scarf
In case you are wondering, "what's good for the goose is not good for the gander".
Where's the scholar that specializes in 'getting along'.
Jazakallahu Khayran Ahsanul Jaza
People have been waiting 25 years for Spubs to debate anyone on a stage!
How old was he when he came to the UK and how long has he been there?
"I forgot the name" DKMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
Sorry but Shamsi should go back to school. He is an intellectual peasant. There is not much in him that's left as he goes down this path. InshaAllah he corrects his ways or stops altogether.May Allah SWT guide us all in the correct path.
the cam is looking crisp
Great exposure 🙌🏽
The ironi is heavy
madkhalites that's wonderful xD
12:55, the awkward look on Ali's face😂😂
I Think Shamsi Knows That Spubs Ideas are wrong But he's to far gone and to arrogant to come out and say that
Imagine one day Shamsi leaves the cult and joins hijab and ali. Ultimate team - ASH
We can find many pseudo 'salafi' today every where even in my country :D
Imagining Zeeshan's Studio: Ali Dawah waiting his turn to shoot. ☺️
“I’m no genius, but I’m smart in spots, and I stay around those spots.”
- Tom Watson
Jealousy is the downfall for a lot of people…Just focus on what you’re good at and if you not going to support your brother in faith at least let him be… These self claimed salafis are suffering severe cognitive dissonance
There should be copyright claim from Br Hamza for his arguements.😆😁😄
May Allah Accept your works, and make it a means of acceptance and Guidance for the Ummah!
20:29 who are the other brothers Hijab was referring to?
may Allah reward you brothers, but you know they got an answer for everything. brotha hijab kept saying "what's good for the goose is good for the gander" you and ali would also get a pass but you have to be openly sellafee, if you're known to be a card carrying sellafee, you won't get scrutinized and will always get an honest and fair treatment. as far as al-ghazali, they say right before he passed away may Allah have mercy on his soul , he repented to Allah and reverted back to sellafeeya, I kid you not. may Allah forgive us and make us of those that are truthful
What's good for the goose is not good for the gander
What's good for the goose is not good for the gander
What's good for the goose is not good for the gander...
Charlatans. I feel sorry for the people following them.
How did he forget Hamzas name.
It’s “عام الرد" for Ali and mohammed 😂😂
man i deal with people like this i feel but i try to be sincere. may Allah guide us. Thanks bros
If the kalam books were not written thn i wonder how they gg debate with all the kinds of ideas in our times.
Brothers how can I send you a message about debating Madkhalis? It'll be important to you insha'Allah
I see a lot of Shami fans on tik tok. I really hope Mohammed Hijab will do dawah on tik tok.
What's the beef between Hijab and this Shamsi?
هل توجد ترجمة لهذه الحلقة
Hey guys come on! Lets just have a seat make a mashuera we can make it better come on ! Assalamu Alaykum
HONSETY IS IMPORTANT
الله يصلحكم
Shamsi the philoSalafi
Salaam br dawah and br hijab. I have a question.... is protesting in the uk for foreign oppressed Muslims halal? In order to expose or stop the oppression? I know some salafis that say it’s not? What is the truth of the matter?
Wait so is it haram for me to study science in school
I'm guessing not because u need to do sciences for healthcare
May Allah reward you brothers for being a thorn in the throats of the madkhali cult, may Allah expose them and save the ummah from their fitnah ameen
What is a madkhali? What do they believe?
You guys better leave those unmannered ones...better focuse on other things...are problomatic everywhere
Brothers, seriously these people are not worth it. I think you should focus your videos on calling people to Islam.
thinking is haram lol
@12:20 MH talking like ex pm D. Cameron lol
On Infinite Regress being impossible: actually the argument is from Aristotle.
It appears Ibn Sina was the first major Muslim thinker who applied the argument to prove God.
Ghazali only commented on Ibn Sina.
Keep up the rational thinking. It is beneficial.
والله اني اقولها وقلبي يتحسر اسال الله ان يهدي شمسي
واقول اسال الله ان كان هذا الشخص يحمل للمسلمين مشاعر حسد وكره لاخوانه اوكل امري لله واقول حسبي الله ونعم الوكيل واوكل امرك لله ياشمسي
ولا زلت لو وجدت كلمه جيده قلتها راح ادعمها ان كانت على الحق ولكن نفسك يجب ان تصلحها حقاً انت يوجد في نيتك شيء على المسلمين فقط لانك لا تعرف وتجهل انت واقف في اي موضع من ما جعلك مرتاب
Well done to my brother Muhammad Hijab and my brother Ali Dawah keep up the good work Allah protect you Ameen.
Lol, I doubt ibn Sena denied siffat, if God is wajib up Wujood, then he must have said siffat that belong to God from which others come. Being wajib ul wujood is necessary for the end the product to exist. Lol, imagine crticisng ibn Sena and trying to throw aqal out of the window, got to love Shamsi 🤣
Also, why is Shamsi bringing rational Ashari and Maturidhi arguments as dalaail, while dissing them 🤣🤣🤣
Ali is not Arab?
I wonder if Ali dawah knows all the Arabic scholastic names thrown by Muhammad Hijab😅 his nod seems very ambiguous and so does his expression while listening to those names. Lol. I think Hijab knows it well and uses them to his advantage to keep Ali mum.🤣🤣
سبحان الله ما اجرمهم قناة رائعه صراحه وبينت لي خفايا النفوس وصراحه يعيش بيننا ناس مليئه بالحسد والاخلاق السيئه ويدعون انهم منا وانهم كفؤ لتحدث والدعوه بل ويخطئون العلماء والداعين لله على بصيره
Thank you for this video It is shocking how double standards they have
i have a note
pholosophy have some logic in it
and that logic we have no problem with it because its logic things and what we have in asul al fiqh some of it is pholosophy and some is logic stuff and we have no problem with the logic but we have problem with the (mantq علم المنطق ) and with elm al kalam
sorry week english
note : im nit madkhaly i hate them i belive they must be killed so no one come and say im from them
الترجمه
Materialism is the opposite of philosophy
The reason why they can use kalam and you two can't it's because you two are "Juhaal" and they are Alims and have no mistakes in them. LOL
Isnt philosphy a kind of tafakur and tadabur
First