Advanced Riding - Why we do it and is it any good?
Вставка
- Опубліковано 8 лют 2025
- What's Advanced Riding all about? is it any good? why do we do it?
We talk about our experiences of advanced riding and why we like it.
If you liked the video, remember to give us a thumbs up as it helps a ton, and don't forget to subscribe too, so you don't miss anything!
--------- Our Social Media & Website into ---------
RiderCamTV
ridercamtv
riderrcamtv
www.ridercamtv.com
--------- Our Camera Equipment ---------
GoPro 4 Black - goo.gl/qnh2kn
GoPro Hero 4 Session - goo.gl/lMAbtz
HD Ghost - goo.gl/t7AeDx
HD Ghost S - goo.gl/TcLfTP
Canon 60D - goo.gl/xVC3j2
Canon G7X - goo.gl/l7N0Ac
--------- Where we got our bikes --------
www.oceanbmwbikesfalmouth.co.uk
*we are not sponsored by BMW or any other company and our views are our own.
Agreed, taking advanced training is the best investment a motorcyclist can make!
My parents moved to Cornwall (Lelant) and I rode, from Ashford in Kent, to pay 'em a visit.
That was on a Honda 250 XS on 'L' plates, LOL! (So no motorways.)
On the return trip felt like the clutch was slipping. A lot!
Soon discovered the clutch was just fine ... problem was rear sprocket had just about lost all it's teeth.
Since then, of course, UK Gov has developed a sincere hate for motorcyclists resulting in a situation where purchasing a motorcycle and obtaining a full motorcycle licence costs more than obtaining a car and a full car licence.
It was a sad day when the BMF closed it's Rider Training Scheme; it worked remarkably well and as far as I know, no rider, having passed the BMF test, ever failed the Govt.'s test.
Of course,the limit for 'L' riders was 250cc back then and even the introduction of the 250cc limit was, in my not-so-humble opinion, a bad move. And totally unnecessary. 🐸
I know I’m a bit late commenting on this video, as it’s over 2 years old, but it’s a really good thought provoking video well worth a watch.
I love your enthusiasm for biking and the encouragement you give others, thank you!
From about 15:15 and the next approximately 3 minutes, I think this highlights that you’ve reached stage 4 in the ‘4 stages of learning’.
1. Unconscious incompetence - you are unaware of the skill and your lack of proficiency
2. Conscious incompetence - you are aware of the skill but not proficient
3. Conscious competence - you can use the skill but only with effort
4. Unconscious competence - performing the skill becomes automatic
Well done Toby on your RoSPA Gold award!! - you’ll have to do it again next year 👍
Great video very informative, I am just starting with IAM and really looking forward to being a better rider and enjoying my riding more
Cheers
Great stuff buddy. You will love it and it will make your ride more enjoyable too
Good points well made - completed a bike safe workshop last weekend (highly recommend without any doubt) and now considering advanced training and club myself.
+Gary Smythe excellent stuff. Ride safe matey
This is the first video on this site that I have watched, I found it informative and look forward to seeing more. I am in favour is motorcycle (and driver) ongoing training, and as you, like the idea of getting home safely after my rides. Keep up the good work.
thank you for the nice comments, glad you enjoyed the video... more to come too :)
The only thing that bothers me, I suppose, about IAM rules, is with overtakes. They say you shouldn't exceed the speed limit at all. Ok, fair enough, but in my opinion, and my ex police rider instructors opinion, if the overtake is safe to do so, just do it, get it done, get past quickly and drop back down to the speed limit. if that means going 5-10 mph over the limit to do so, then so be it. To me, this is much safer than what the IAM stipulates.
i guess there is an argument for both, but speeding is an absolute offence (meaning there is no excuse).... i dont think there is anyone on the road that has not been speeding before, everyone does it, its the circumstances i guess.. Ride safe
I was taught go ride using the roadcraft manual by my late father who was an advanced police driver. I’ve spent the last 35 years using the techniques learned which is why I’m still here 35 years later. However, my one and only experience with our local IAM riders put me off wanting to be “in their club” as I’m afraid they were one group that had a bit of an attitude; perhaps a one-off but it put me off as a few of them had a definite air of superiority about them. The irony was that I even then had more experience and miles under my belt than a few of them put together. That was then. I may go back and enquire about finally putting in for my advanced test and know that despite my experience I’ll doubtless learn a lot but I don’t feel that for me, that I feel in any way disadvantaged by not taking the test.
Observation, position, speed, hazard awareness and all the things enshrined within IPSGA are essential to practise and learn from before you first get onto a bike, especially with the traffic, poor driving standards and road conditions encountered today. Respect to you both for your calm, informative and helpful content👍
Update….lol😂. I’ve only gone and joined my local IAM club and they have a great attitude and were a great bunch of people. My earlier experiences were obviously with a few people who didn’t act as better ambassadors but pleased to say it was a positive move to join and start my IAM journey.
Finally Some time ago I rode out with a family member that I rarely go out with and he took his advanced riding test some years ago. When I was in the lead and on A roads and always up to but never over the speed limit he followed me. Sometime later, stopping for a coffee, he remarked that my riding was slow and that if I had been riding with his local group, many of them being advanced riders, they would have left me standing. When he took lead later on I must admit that the speeds in which he approached and took bends in particularly blind bends gave me cause for concern and that's two reasons why I no longer ride with him.
liked what you were saying, i'm an old biker from the 60s haven't been on a bike for ages , thinking about getting back on the road again , but just taking it easy reason be,ing i'm in my early 70s and just want to be a safe rider and join a club and meet people. Thanks
Do it !!! 🐸
Nice one Toby. I'd recommend taking your advanced test with either the IAM or ROSPA to anyone who wants to improve their riding skills. It's hard work and you have to put the effort in but in my opinion it's well worth it for the very reasons you mention in the video.
+adrianbarrie13 totally agree matey. :)
The journey you described to your family is very interesting. There is a theory known as the ‘Learning Staircase’ which culminates in a state called ‘unconscious competence’; this is where you were as a result of training and practice. Cheers, Andy
+Andrew Tofts that’s very true but didn’t know it had a name. Thanks for the info matey :)
I love the channel and the advanced rider videos, i am currently doing my IAM training and would like to request some video assistance.
I had found i was struggling with off siding and when and when not to do it. could you please do some content which would cover this? the main point is there are a number of roads without a centre line with lots of bends. I found i was off siding on roads that are wide enough for two cars and informed i should do unless clearly only wide enough for one car. I would have greatly appreciated a video that gave examples of when and when not to off side.
I have found your videos have reinforced my training and helped clarify by example areas where i was unsure. Thanks for the channel and all your good work👍
Really nice, informative, thought provoking video Toby, thank you 😊
thanks buddy
Great vid, personally I would love to do the training but I have very limited free time, witch means for me I carnt reliably do that training. But I try learning and assessing my ride and watching vids like Nottingham roadcraft. To try to improve and learn new or better and safe methods of riding, You have made some really good points and are a credit to bikers. but I have come across (SOME) people who have done all the training and some assessors/trainers who come across as like they are in an elite club and every one els should not be ridding OR think they are the best rider and Carnot make any mistakes or and above the law.. BUT luckily it isn’t that common and hophaly there are a very small group 1%. But can leave a rider like myself feel unwelcome in away. But luckily I have met many down to earth riders who have done all the training who treat other riders who haven’t done the advanced training the same but who also pass down the training in hints and tips. Yet again good vid also love the channel.
After having gone to the funeral of two friends (motorcycle accident), after a few years later i had left to visit a friend to a hospital, knowing that he was paraplegic (motorcycle accident), when I got home I put myself in front of a mirror this question in my image: "do you know how to ride a motorcycle?"," Do you learn with the scares (to ride a motorcycle)?". Now, Advanced Riding? I recommend.
Cheers.
+Sérgio André sorry to hear that mate, although totally agree ;)
It's never too late to learn, but we do not know everything! Be it on the road or in life.
+Sérgio André very true
Hi new to your channel and enjoying your video's . i will be looking at taking my I.A.M. Course this year with my local group in Somerset. Keep up the good work .
hey buddy, thanks for the kind words, it means a lot to us both. The I.A.M course is great and will be a real benefit.. have fun and ride safe :)
Oddly beguiling video that made me feel quite serene...
Another nice video. Always useful to remember those security riding tips and maybe, given your experience, you could make more videos like this.
+Rui C will definately be doing that mate. In Spain at the moment so will try to do some bits about advanced riding :)
Good video Toby I think you become a better rider with experience and your mistakes
+Lyn Smith always learn from mistakes :)
Great video. I also live and ride in Cornwall ( Penzance ). I recently completed a DAS and very keen to do some advanced training but I don't know who to contact. To me it feels like I got lots of training to pass my test in three days and now I'm on my own. Not a great situation! Great channel.
+Anton hey mate. Well done on passing your DAS. If you google cornwall advanced motorcyclists or RoSpa you will be able to find details of your local group and they will guide you through the training etc :)
Try these Anton www.iamroadsmart.com/local-groups/results?indexCatalogue=local-groups-search&searchQuery=cornwall&wordsMode=AnyWord
Fascinating video. Congratulations on passing your RoSPA test 👍🏻. Would like to see a limit point video/demo.
+DervMan thanks matey, we will definately do one of those :)
Missed your lifesaver on the right hand turn! :-) . Hard to commentate and ride advanced.
we all make mistakes at some point :)
Good stuff, I might give it a try next year when I am a bit more experienced
Paul Jones don't wait sign up now before you develop too many bad habits.
+Paul Jones now is a good time matey, always a good time to learn :)
Thanks, I have emailed both.
+Anton great stuff 👍
Good insight. But driving on such small roads as you do in the video, I prefer to stay just in the middle of my side of the road.
+Dan Engels I think the camera makes the roads look smaller. The benefit of moving around the lane is the view. :)
Filtering is illegal in Germany
all good here in the UK
Just something to think about. While you are doing your VLOG whilst riding, do you think you are really focused and riding to your highest standard, and fully concentrating on the road ahead? From a fellow IAM rider.
+Peter Lewis hey Peter, thanks for the comments. When I’m vlogging, particularly about advanced riding I think that as I’m talking about it then yes a heightened state of mind as talking about the points of advanced riding.
I find I am focused when riding and usually listen to music which also helps me concentrate (although a discussion point for some I know) but it helps me :)
An interesting point you make about music ( I know it's a talking point ). I could see perhaps the benefit of some music on a boring motorway stretch, but for me personally when I ride I want to be at one with my bike as much as I can. Going back to your Vlogging whilst riding, I am not criticising just giving an opinion, as you vlog even when talking about advanced riding, there must be some form of concentration on keeping the vlog fluent and keep thinking of something valid to say, it differs from giving a commentary on your ride.
Keep up the good work, and keep the reviews coming.
+Peter Lewis didn’t take it the wrong way matey at all. Thanks for the kind words. Love doing them and glad you like them. :)
Ride safe
when doing your police advanced you do commentary regarding your observations, hazard perception and identification of such as well as possible outcomes, cross views and all the rest of it, so sometimes verbalising your thoughts does not take away from your competence, it may reinforce it. Day dreaming about shopping or whatever, well I've picked up enough pieces of people to know those outcomes too.
I think you are missing the point here. Commentary regarding your observations are one thing, commenting whilst riding doing a Vlog is another. With Vlogging you are continually thinking of interesting things to say to keep it flowing, whilst doing this I raise the question are you fully focused on the road ahead. This is not a criticism, just an observation !!
Nice video
Thanks for the kind words matey. Ride safe :)
Sadly my experience is that they are not as welcoming as described, especially to people, like me, who have difficulty being observed ie scrutinised.
IAMRoad Smart course £149 not £165.
Great video.Excellent information..
Here is a download location for the first book you mentioned.www.thehappybiker.co.uk/howtobeabetterrider.html
As a completely new rider,and a late beginner,I am looking forward to learning safely on my 2004 bmw f650gs this Summer...
Hey Joseph, thanks for the kind words as it really does mean a lot to us both. Glad you enjoyed the vid. Never too late to start riding. Welcome to the world of 2 wheels :)
Ride safe buddy
Thanks RCM Dude.
His your insurance cheaper now.
Kevin Westwood Hiya yes your insurance will be cheaper.
Mark Holroyd As an advanced rider is counter steering something you would use or encourage others to use.
Be careful with counter steering. It is not the main way of steering a bike. That is your body weight and looking where you want to go. counter steering can help when there is a panic situation were you did not pay attention to quickly push in an correction through the handlebars.
Sorry Dan but that's just plain wrong - except for helping when doing slow speed manoeuvres. But that's "counter balancing" rather than "counter steering".
Above any speed faster than 5 - 10 mph initiating counter steering is the only effective way a bike will turn - it's just physics! "Positive" counter steering (where you deliberately and consciously apply pressure to the bars) is the smoothest and safest way to navigate a turn. It's a very powerful technique and you should experiment and practice to learn how your bike responds to varying amounts of pressure. Or, as suggested in the video, get on an advanced riders course and they'll take you through it in detail!
When you push your handlebar you bring your front wheel out of balance. When it correct itself, that is when you think you are steering. The faster you drive the harder it is to counter steering. The upright forces of the wheel through its rotating speed makes that more difficult. You steer your bike with your bodyweight and looking where you want to go. Sit up strait and be one with the bike. That is also why a duo passenger always has to learn to lean in with the driver!
Sory to say that scooter riders stay to themselves and custom cruisers do as well as Harleys and the BMW brigade. So much for a club. I have been riding on our highways now for 55 years and can say that fewer riders now nod to each other, Harleys never nod except to another Harley. and you will never see a Harley or any other cruiser p with few exceptions ] on anything other than a main road. With their long wheelbase they don't do well on twisties and prefer to stay off them. It doesn't do their petrol consumption any good either. Have you ever seen a Harley and a Ninja or R1 riding together apart from say a funeral or egg run. No neither have I .
About 12 mins in we learn about positioning and up comes a diagramme with 3 positions but its from the USA and so on the wrong side of the road. So entirely opposite to that which we do in the UK. Then having been instructed about the 3 positions we are then told to use 5 positions which was in the older version of the Police Roadcraft but has subsequently been replaced by just the 3 so who are we to believe the rider or the instructions in the manual. I know that whatever is in the Police Roadcraft , 'THE BIBLE' is followed by the other organisations [ except the DVSA they do their own thing } but sometimes these other organisations fall behind and don't readily take up new thoughts, advice, practises and procedures. Something that they should., Even some assessors or mentors leaned many yeas or decades ago and things have changed but they have not.
I think that we have all had temporary moments or lapses in concentration when our minds have strayed away from the roads and for a few seconds or so we cannot remember the ride but I have never heard of anyone being in such a forgetful state for what ? 100 miles or more.