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I bet the tug drivers got into a heated discussion back at the central KLM tug office. You don't get stupid in front of that airport's officials, fire department, airport security, etcetera. You save it for an internal KLM family fight session.
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@@GetOutsideYourself here at Schiphol they walk not next to the airplane anymore pushing and communicating is all done by the pushbacker from the cab you still see people walk next to the aircraft with KLM Cityhopper and only with the older pushback trucks
one of the reasons why i love watching atc recordings videos so much is i just love how they’re always so calm talking to each other even when there’s bad stuff happened
For those who are interested, the Dutch Safety Board (Onderzoeksraad voor Veiligheid) has conducted an investigation into this incident. You can find it if you search for 'onderzoeksraad Botsing tijdens pushback'. Short conclusion: for efficiency the 787 was told to do a long push back to make room for the 747 at F8 (at 0:35). This is a deviation of the standard procedure, which is however not uncommon. To deal with this situation the ground controller warned the departing 747 to tell the ground about this, as can be heard at 1:18. However, the investigation discovered that this message was partly blocked by another message and thus was not properly received by the 747. The 747 did not readback the message and the ground controller did not reacted on the absence of the readback. So the fault here lies with the controller and not the pushback truck.
I feel bad for the 787. Got squeezed in by two 747s and couldnt go anywere and then one of the 747s pushes back and accidentally crashes with the 787 :( Especially since the 787 is such a new plane.
@@timothybarney7257, A ding on a metal aircraft part is one thing. Dinging composite parts and you incur incredible amounts of wrath from the aircraft maintenance chiefs and repair technicians. The repair costs and down time for repairing composite parts is very high compared to metal parts.
Loved the video and effort you put in making these videos for ALL of us aviation enthusiasts... Please, some commentary and explain what's happening. Thank you. Especially this one, mostly Dutch! 😆
Thanks for the video! Loved the graphics! Margin seems to have been tiny, don't think anyone is completrly to blame here! If you need any help translating Dutch in the future let me know!
That was always my biggest fear during pushback procedure . Iv seen it happen once though.the 2 ground crews were drug tested and they all passed. They all were suspended for 3 days with no pay.
I feel when you have multiple aircraft of the same type trying to do push back ,and you have a active two-way or Runway nearby, someone needs to be on the ground, with a radio set to a common frequency to Marshal aircraft out of a tight movement situation.
Marshaller and Push Driver had a pretty good day smashing equipment worth more than they'll ever earn in their lives...Must have been a nice talk afterwards
Ouch! I wonder if a little more caution and a slight delay might have prevented that collision? Time is money I know, but that's going to cost a pretty penny!
Isla Durrant Schiphol (EHAM) is already running at maximum capacity, and it's essentially a national debate at this point that the airport cannot handle the amount of traffic going through. Because of that, a minute of delay could be extremely expensive.
Great video. What is the reason that the ATC of KLM 623 is not audible sometimes? Is it because they are broadcasting simultaneously while some else was also broadcasting?
@@CraigLumpyLemke what i meant was that 1 new reader just stated the amount of damage was minor with no injuries etc. while the other one basicly made it sound both aircraft had a massive collision with debry everywhere and passengers being wounded etc. when you read 'severe car crash' you don't think of a car backing up slowely to bump the car behind it just to dent the bumpers a little, you think of airbags popping and wheels flying off their axels haha, ok well maybe not like that but you get what i mean.
Poor 747 tuggie, he's probably in hot shit now. I suspect the 787 tuggie and crew will maybe get a wee roasting however, the 747 tuggie, crew and the ground controller as probably going to get their asses absolutely whipped.
At Schiphol things are not always go as smooth as they should! Did you know that The ATC landed 16!!! Planes on a CLOSED runway? And that all happend in one day!! Scary!
They don’t use that at AMS. In fact there is a big clearance line, nobody is allowed over that line except emergency services, airport authority and the pushback driver (+ a trainer/ride along).
Looks to me like they could have just buffed those wing-tips out with some scotch bright, possibly some duct tape, and carried on their way. Why cancel the flights???
The Romans had a saying about this, "make haste slowly" e.g. less haste = more speed. No time saved here! Are wing walkers standard practice? Seems like a cheap solution if not.
Not sure who to blame here, its either Ground Movements for letting the KLM601 push back in to that tight space or the actual ground handlers doing the pushback without having correct and safe vision
We tell our tug crews, who may find themselves in similar close in conditions, to STOP and go get trained experienced wingtip and tail walkers equipped with radios. The B747 should have had a full set of wingtip walkers and tail walkers for those push conditions.
If we [pilots] relayed the pushback instructions correctly it's going to be on the pushback crew. In many if not most airliners you cannot even see the wingtips from the cockpit, in none can you see the aft empennage or flight control surfaces.
I know nothing, or perhaps less than nothing, about those routes for parking spaces, but it looks like the entire area encourages accidents. Just looks tight.
NO!! You never push back onto a taxiway, much less onto a linking taxiway between two mains and much less on a busy airport as Amsterdam is. What knowledge do you have about this? Because your solution is way worse than this incident :(
@@VASAviation I completely agree. Pushing on to an active taxiway is only allowed with ATC clearance and Airport Authority support. It should only be done if there is no other way possible and after permission.
@@meganproffitt424 Are you from the future? Because the video upload date is from Feb 23 of this year, and the incident happened only 10 days prior to that. By the by, who wins in 2020?
Those low wages for tug drivers attract the best available talent out in the job market. I'm glad it worked a charm for Schiphol. The lawsuit can't possibly match the stellar savings they realize every day.
Schiphol (airport amsterdam) is a big busy airport 300 flight in 60 minutes 6 runway's 2 are live so its board pushback taxi go don't wait cause schiphol is very busy with full space
@@tryxgamerboy4866 Yeah but the groundcrew still has to wait for the pilots to clear them to start pushing. So something clearly went wrong in that communication
My guess would be that under normal circumstances KLM623 would have been no obstruction for the pushback of KLM601, however they were further back than usual to allow the KLM736 jumbo to turn into F8. Then when KLM601 started their pushback the tug crew for whatever reason was not aware of KLM623 being too far back for KLM601 to pass.
If you were the crash investigator and you only had the information on this video to formulate your report, who would you blame for the cause of this accident? 🛩
KLM601 seems to be at fault because the other plane was doing a long pushback for the 4 engine dreamliner to get into the gate. They went and moved anyway knowing it was a squeeze but it was too tight
@@HEDGE1011 I think it's a collaboration. Pilots in a rush ground in a rush and the tow drivers with too much to monitor at once. No BLAME just a mistake with huge consequences and delay for all. The Dutch are pretty sharp people I doubt it will happen again..someone will Analyze it and come up with the plan.
Is it normal to receive taxi instructions without it being requested? Not blaming anyone here without al the details, but as senior armchair crash investigator I find that instruction a bit confusing. It may have given KL601 the illusion that the 787 already was on the move?
Can somebody explain to me how it is the 21st century and we still are having radios in aircraft that sound like a pair of cans and a string? I flew mostly back in the 80s and I remember even then how hard it was to understand radio communications because of static and heavy reliance on middle frequencies of audio.
It's been explained before that the pilots hear a much better quality transmission than we do. Clearly none of the people involved there had any difficulty communicating. The reason it sounds so bad for us, and we sometimes miss transmissions, is that the audio we're hearing was captured on a reciever located elsewhere and may not be positioned well to receive every signal from every radio.
@@MikeDCWeld Whenever I see pilots ander this, they say it doesn't sound much better in the cockpit, but they get familiar enough with the vocabulary that it's good enough. There are recordings from cockpit headsets that sound marginally better, and I'd think that if the transmission was of high quality, at least a few enthusiasts would have the equipment and positional advantage to receive and share it.
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Animation is great!
Great work!
Animation is perfect !!!
I LOVE this!
Highlighting the aircraft as they speak is very helpful. Nice touch!
Thanks!
yeah it is a great touch
Agree
They're too calm, they're supposed to get out and fight each other.
I bet the tug drivers got into a heated discussion back at the central KLM tug office. You don't get stupid in front of that airport's officials, fire department, airport security, etcetera. You save it for an internal KLM family fight session.
@@davidhoffman1278 how do you say "I'm going to kick your ass" in Dutch! 🤣
@@davidhoffman1278 lmao
@@davidhoffman1278 😂😂 "Ik geef je er van langs!" greetings from Holland
@@pmvaldez1 Imagine being kicked in the ass by someone wearing clogs....
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Werner what did they say?
Nancy Offenhiser The mainstream media did cover it okay but just didn’t go in great detail as here.
Looks like the crazy cars in my local supermarket's parking lot. "Objects in mirror are closer than they appear".
The 747’s revange on the 787 replacing her!
LOL!!!
No, that would have been on a B777 with long range capabilities. The 787 is just like an annoying little sibling that gets underfoot.
@223 Remington ,
The 747 was EHAM TO KLAX. The 787 was EHAM TO KATL. A 777 would be the appropriate replacement for the EHAM TO KLAX flight.
@223 Remington Airlines don't prefer any flights, it's passengers. And they don't prefer shorter flights LOL, it depends on where they are going!
HER, not him! I'm an Airbus lover but the 747 is the Queen of the sky
Wow VASAviation, you did a great job writing and translating all of that Dutch talk! I couldn’t find any mistakes.
i found one at 4:15 last word nadoen (mimic) should be naderen (aproche) for the rest i saw non
What we had was good bus he should have translated all of it including the ranks.... whatever. I don't know what they mean but I guess thank you?
Ruben Janssen approach.
Welp, looks like there's an opening at Schipol for a pushback driver
And the guy who walks next to the plane's wing directing the driver. Seems like more that guy's fault.
Was looking for this comment :D
Not enough for the taxi-way though
@@GetOutsideYourself here at Schiphol they walk not next to the airplane anymore pushing and communicating is all done by the pushbacker from the cab you still see people walk next to the aircraft with KLM Cityhopper and only with the older pushback trucks
I just wonder how this kind of accident is possible xD. You only had one job...
one of the reasons why i love watching atc recordings videos so much is i just love how they’re always so calm talking to each other even when there’s bad stuff happened
For those who are interested, the Dutch Safety Board (Onderzoeksraad voor Veiligheid) has conducted an investigation into this incident. You can find it if you search for 'onderzoeksraad Botsing tijdens pushback'.
Short conclusion: for efficiency the 787 was told to do a long push back to make room for the 747 at F8 (at 0:35). This is a deviation of the standard procedure, which is however not uncommon. To deal with this situation the ground controller warned the departing 747 to tell the ground about this, as can be heard at 1:18. However, the investigation discovered that this message was partly blocked by another message and thus was not properly received by the 747. The 747 did not readback the message and the ground controller did not reacted on the absence of the readback. So the fault here lies with the controller and not the pushback truck.
I feel bad for the 787. Got squeezed in by two 747s and couldnt go anywere and then one of the 747s pushes back and accidentally crashes with the 787 :(
Especially since the 787 is such a new plane.
Had to get the first "ding" in the bodywork so it wasn't so new anymore.
Two 747s Bulling a 787... maybe the 400 sisters were not happy with the 87 caused the demise of the younger -8?
@@timothybarney7257,
A ding on a metal aircraft part is one thing. Dinging composite parts and you incur incredible amounts of wrath from the aircraft maintenance chiefs and repair technicians. The repair costs and down time for repairing composite parts is very high compared to metal parts.
@@davidhoffman1278 sarcasm my friend, sarcasm...
David Hoffman
r/woooosh
Absolutely awesome video with all the synchronized motion, highlighting, and notation. Thanks.
Thank you much!
Dutch translation of Dutch conversation is also very helpful.
Well. Not the worst KLM collision I've ever seen
Oof
Yeah..Tenerife was a tad worse!
so many mistakes that klm we all done with it in holland
@@willemlenteren1485 Lul toch niet joh
Corja 222 sorry?
love the new animations, make it so much easier to follow
I like how you highlighted each plane with its corresponding text color.
The animation makes these so much better.
Loved the video and effort you put in making these videos for ALL of us aviation enthusiasts... Please, some commentary and explain what's happening. Thank you. Especially this one, mostly Dutch! 😆
If it was Kennedy Steve... poor tug driver :DDD
All very gentlemanly. Great video (again) x
Thanks! Great video as always.
Thanks for the video! Loved the graphics! Margin seems to have been tiny, don't think anyone is completrly to blame here! If you need any help translating Dutch in the future let me know!
Massive failure to use wing walkers in a tight tug operation.
Loved the new animations!
That was always my biggest fear during pushback procedure . Iv seen it happen once though.the 2 ground crews were drug tested and they all passed. They all were suspended for 3 days with no pay.
Jim McCuin they passed the drug test and were suspended? For not using drugs? 🤷🏻♂️🙃
Werner van Schie I assume suspended for the collision itself. If drugs were found they’d be terminated.
Werner van Schie They we’re at fault, they got complacent. A failed test would have meant automatic termination.
So what happens after they get suspended ? Is it similar to be suspended at school ? U come back to work and everything is just fine ?
@@abdulrahmanaljandali3929 Something like that.
I feel when you have multiple aircraft of the same type trying to do push back ,and you have a active two-way or Runway nearby, someone needs to be on the ground, with a radio set to a common frequency to Marshal aircraft out of a tight movement situation.
👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 Great Animation Thanks 😎😎
Awesome thank you!
Great to see you did a video about this! Love EHAM video's :)
Marshaller and Push Driver had a pretty good day smashing equipment worth more than they'll ever earn in their lives...Must have been a nice talk afterwards
Ouch! I wonder if a little more caution and a slight delay might have prevented that collision? Time is money I know, but that's going to cost a pretty penny!
Isla Durrant Schiphol (EHAM) is already running at maximum capacity, and it's essentially a national debate at this point that the airport cannot handle the amount of traffic going through. Because of that, a minute of delay could be extremely expensive.
Great video. What is the reason that the ATC of KLM 623 is not audible sometimes? Is it because they are broadcasting simultaneously while some else was also broadcasting?
Possible or the receiver is bad positioned to that aircraft
Hello! Can you do the audio (once it comes out) of the 767 freighter that crashes 30 miles southeast of KIAH? I just happened a few hours ago
Your channel is the best!!!
Thanks!! :)
anyway great video! liked for sure!
KLM maintenance employee disliked. I liked #23
At least they didn’t hit each other in midair.
Last time a KLM collided with another plane on the ground, it was the most deadly aircraft accident in history, and still is to this day.
...and the wing clipping competition continues
I hope this doesn’t lead to the premature retiring of another 747.
Yet again a great vid! I must say: you're use of Dutch subtitles and the translations are perfect! Greeting from a Dutch!
Thanks to my Dutch helpers! :)
Hey the translators should get some credit! :)
Any audio of the Amazon cargo plane that went down in Texas a couple of hours ago?
Yep, it's up & all transcribed.
It puzzles me how things like this still happen, does the ground crew not anticipate the distances or what
I heard it on the radio saying “minor damage” then another radio station “ severe damage”. Xd media...
@@CraigLumpyLemke what i meant was that 1 new reader just stated the amount of damage was minor with no injuries etc.
while the other one basicly made it sound both aircraft had a massive collision with debry everywhere and passengers being wounded etc.
when you read 'severe car crash' you don't think of a car backing up slowely to bump the car behind it just to dent the bumpers a little, you think of airbags popping and wheels flying off their axels haha, ok well maybe not like that but you get what i mean.
so many times this problem with that klm
Amazing how many things happen to airplanes
first on Tenerife than hongkong now this and also some bumpeds on flatforms all blacklist with this
VASAviation did you hear about the 767 crash in Chambers County, Texas, USA a day ago?
Yeah, he's already got it up.
Come on, I uploaded it a couple hours after it happened.
Lol ok UA-cam always shows me your latest videos but it didn't show me that one.
It would be really useful if you could put dates in your descriptions.
How do you get TRACON approch view
Poor 747 tuggie, he's probably in hot shit now. I suspect the 787 tuggie and crew will maybe get a wee roasting however, the 747 tuggie, crew and the ground controller as probably going to get their asses absolutely whipped.
Hi VAS, at 0:19, KLM623 says ‘Fox 8’, instead of ‘optijd’ ;)
No they don’t. 623 clearly says ‘op tijd’.
Oops and another ground pushback collision today!!! I guess Schifol ground will be looking at procedures very closely!
I guess EHAM is looking for a replacement tug driver
Wow.
I thought ground crews were supposed to walk at the wingtips during pushback to prevent these types of incidents....
Little love tap, it's all in good faith
Or not, that's gonna probably cost more than I think
3:26
dank jewel uWu
At Schiphol things are not always go as smooth as they should!
Did you know that The ATC landed 16!!! Planes on a CLOSED runway? And that all happend in one day!! Scary!
Dankjewel 😂😂😂
That is going to cost!! Thanks for sharing!! Great job like always!
Thanks for watching!
No spotters under each wing? Why didn't they see it coming?
They don’t use that at AMS. In fact there is a big clearance line, nobody is allowed over that line except emergency services, airport authority and the pushback driver (+ a trainer/ride along).
06:22 "KLM601 De motoren hebben we nog geeneens geteste..." Has to be; gestart (dutch) English translation is already correct.
Looks to me like they could have just buffed those wing-tips out with some scotch bright, possibly some duct tape, and carried on their way. Why cancel the flights???
am i the only one who can’t seem to move on from loving the name Dreamliner so freaking much 😭
The Romans had a saying about this, "make haste slowly" e.g. less haste = more speed. No time saved here! Are wing walkers standard practice? Seems like a cheap solution if not.
Numbskulls.
I can’t imagine a more embarrassing thing to happen to a pilot
it's not the pilot's fault
Was it feasible to repair the airplanes? 😕
Absolutely.
Two words, wing walkers.
👍👍👍👍!!!!!!!!!
Three words, they don’t exist.
Legend has it that airports looking for a new tug driver
No wing walkers?
andrewbalb Schiphol doesn't use wingwalkers anymore, except for some of the smaller and older planes and carts.
Didn't look that bad. Just a red flash. A little duct tape will fix'em right up.
Hopefully
Not sure who to blame here, its either Ground Movements for letting the KLM601 push back in to that tight space or the actual ground handlers doing the pushback without having correct and safe vision
We tell our tug crews, who may find themselves in similar close in conditions, to STOP and go get trained experienced wingtip and tail walkers equipped with radios. The B747 should have had a full set of wingtip walkers and tail walkers for those push conditions.
Controller stated it clearly: Push if your guys find it safe to push. If they find it too tight, delay your push until the B787 has started taxi.
@@VASAviation So it was the tug crews fault, they should've had wing walkers
@@MrScopeh They don’t exist at AMS.
@@davidhoffman1278 They don’t exist at AMS. They are against the rules.
A friend of a pilot friend of mine was on that flight and he sent me a pic of the wing when it happened
Oops!
If they are being pushed back by a tug is it the pilots fault or the tug drivers fault?
Random Acts of Video That is a interesting question. I would say its or the tug drivers fault, or even ATC for letting them come so close.
If we [pilots] relayed the pushback instructions correctly it's going to be on the pushback crew. In many if not most airliners you cannot even see the wingtips from the cockpit, in none can you see the aft empennage or flight control surfaces.
Tug driver.
@@brandon5058 The GND controller said push approved when safe to do so. Not literally but you get the point.
What happened to the wing walker?
Jonathan Stewart AMS don’t use wing walkers.
I know nothing, or perhaps less than nothing, about those routes for parking spaces, but it looks like the entire area encourages accidents. Just looks tight.
Everything in the Netherlands is packed tight. The tower even warned about not pushing back early. xD
Should have pushed him back to Alpha 16 instead of doing that 180° turn there ... then this never would've happened!
NO!! You never push back onto a taxiway, much less onto a linking taxiway between two mains and much less on a busy airport as Amsterdam is. What knowledge do you have about this? Because your solution is way worse than this incident :(
@@VASAviation Non pilot - I figured there had to be a reason! Thanks for setting me straight!
@@VASAviation I completely agree. Pushing on to an active taxiway is only allowed with ATC clearance and Airport Authority support. It should only be done if there is no other way possible and after permission.
This is expensive
Probably jet fuel A right? That's not flammable as a liquid, he was pissing himself for nothing.
Tenerife Part 2
almost part 3 there was almost accident in hongkong as well and pilot try do his own will
My car has a backup camera.
Too bad only one plane was under power. Backup cameras on the plane might not h ave done any good.
Wing walker???
Doesn’t exist at AMS.
Vas, you're Dutch?
Negative.
It seems like yesterday was just an all around bad day for aviation.
These was a while ago though.
@@kempo_95 Oh, ok. I thought this happened yesterday along with the other three accidents.
This was 2 years ago. Look at the video upload date. Thanks
@@meganproffitt424 you look at it lol? It was like 1-2 weeks ago.
@@meganproffitt424 Are you from the future? Because the video upload date is from Feb 23 of this year, and the incident happened only 10 days prior to that.
By the by, who wins in 2020?
Those low wages for tug drivers attract the best available talent out in the job market. I'm glad it worked a charm for Schiphol. The lawsuit can't possibly match the stellar savings they realize every day.
the race to the bottom continues
Expensive ?? Tug at fault ?? 😳😳😳
Tug driver at fault.
I guess there were no wing-walkers
That's what *I* was wondering. They seem to be standard procedure on all flights I take (here in the US).
You’re absolutely right.
@@TPRQnet There non existent at AMS.
do you know who was at fault?
Tug driver of the bigger jet.
Civil war
Why didn’t they wait to push back?!
ground crew either thought it was clear, or the pilots never told the ground crew about waiting.
Time is money
Schiphol (airport amsterdam) is a big busy airport 300 flight in 60 minutes 6 runway's 2 are live so its board pushback taxi go don't wait cause schiphol is very busy with full space
@@tryxgamerboy4866 Yeah but the groundcrew still has to wait for the pilots to clear them to start pushing. So something clearly went wrong in that communication
My guess would be that under normal circumstances KLM623 would have been no obstruction for the pushback of KLM601, however they were further back than usual to allow the KLM736 jumbo to turn into F8. Then when KLM601 started their pushback the tug crew for whatever reason was not aware of KLM623 being too far back for KLM601 to pass.
If you were the crash investigator and you only had the information on this video to formulate your report, who would you blame for the cause of this accident? 🛩
KLM601 seems to be at fault because the other plane was doing a long pushback for the 4 engine dreamliner to get into the gate. They went and moved anyway knowing it was a squeeze but it was too tight
Tug crew of the 74.
Probably everyone blamed it on the tow drivers...
Nancy Offenhiser Well...who are you blaming it on?
@@HEDGE1011 I think it's a collaboration. Pilots in a rush ground in a rush and the tow drivers with too much to monitor at once. No BLAME just a mistake with huge consequences and delay for all. The Dutch are pretty sharp people I doubt it will happen again..someone will Analyze it and come up with the plan.
This keeps happening. Why use wing walkers when they obviously don’t need them?
Because it hardly ever happens. And it’s against the rules. Take your pick.
Oooops
Weil it a nothing klm mechanics can't fix but it's a pity that the ground staff failed go avoid that ...
Last time I was this late the words 'KLM' and 'COLLIDE' meant something totally different
standart wordt klm
So does KLM avoid any responsibility for this, since its the pushback's fault?
Yh, KLM doesn't have any responsibility in this. Unless it's there own pushbacker.
Yes they do. The pushers were from KLM and the ground controller clearly stated push approved when safe to do so (summary).
Is it normal to receive taxi instructions without it being requested? Not blaming anyone here without al the details, but as senior armchair crash investigator I find that instruction a bit confusing. It may have given KL601 the illusion that the 787 already was on the move?
Even though it may give the illusion, you don't start a pushback without checking the way is totally clear.
@@VASAviation
Ah yeah, 100% agreed.
Can somebody explain to me how it is the 21st century and we still are having radios in aircraft that sound like a pair of cans and a string? I flew mostly back in the 80s and I remember even then how hard it was to understand radio communications because of static and heavy reliance on middle frequencies of audio.
It's been explained before that the pilots hear a much better quality transmission than we do. Clearly none of the people involved there had any difficulty communicating. The reason it sounds so bad for us, and we sometimes miss transmissions, is that the audio we're hearing was captured on a reciever located elsewhere and may not be positioned well to receive every signal from every radio.
The audio you're hearing is not sourced from the radios inside the aircraft but from private off-airport receivers.
@@MikeDCWeld Whenever I see pilots ander this, they say it doesn't sound much better in the cockpit, but they get familiar enough with the vocabulary that it's good enough.
There are recordings from cockpit headsets that sound marginally better, and I'd think that if the transmission was of high quality, at least a few enthusiasts would have the equipment and positional advantage to receive and share it.
The Pendulum not really
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