Great job. English was clear and understandable. There was the slip away which ATC corrected. ATC (and crew) got the convenience questions out of the way early, instead of waiting to bother with them on approach, leaving time for the airport to dispatch a tug, and coordinating that well ahead of landing.
Just spent 24 hours traveling with KLM, on what should have been a 8 hour trip. Honestly I didn't mind the wait or extra flights, the delay was due to a cargo door issue when we left Toronto. Took the ground crew an hour and a half to figure it out and get us moving which made me miss my connections at Schiphol but rather safe than sorry. Glad this flight made it back with everyone unharmed.
@@rinleez but this was on a discreet frequentie so there were no other ppl on it. It most countries around the world they would not even speak English at all
I can't help but notice the articulation improving as soon as it was established that there was an emergency, and that the Dutch accent also got worse over time :) Besides the actual Dutch communication of course.
Does the low not allow them to dump fuel or does that aircraft not have a fuel dumping system? I know it's fuel, environment and all, but in the case of an emergency, it seems ridiculous for a plane to have to circle around to burn fuel instead of just losing it.
I currently fly the e170, and there is no means to dump fuel on that aircraft. You either have to burn it off or land overweight if the emergency is time sensitive.
Most planes need to Burn it rather then dumping bc they cant. If the pilot thought they needed to be on the ground asap they would do a overwheight landing but this plane was safe enough to fly
@@gillsejusbates6938is that still the case? Rotterdam Airport has had Isreali and South African ATC for a long time due to staffing issues. They didn’t speak a lot of Dutch. Nice people though.
SERA.14015 Language to be used in air-ground communication Regulation (EU) 2016/1185 (a) The air-ground radiotelephony communications shall be conducted in the English language or in the language normally used by the station on the ground. As long as both parties agree on not using English there's no objection, even on non-discrete (as you can often hear on for example South-American recordings). Especially in case of an emergency where both parties are Dutch it makes no sense to force one's self to adhere to English only.
I think it's a bad habit to fall back onto speaking in a native language. Other foreign aircraft might be close by and communicating in English will create some situational awareness for other traffic.
They're on a discreet frequency, so nobody else is hearing them. if you listen carefully, they use Dutch when it is specific about that plane, and what they need but when it comes to the turns, speed and all other information that could be of use to other pilots is in extremely clear English. These guys know exactly what they're doing, and they do it well.
Why? There are plenty of countries using dual ATC language every single day without any problem. I fly in dual language envirnoment frequently and I don't see the problem you claimed here. Afaik all single language speaker colleagues I know did not experience situational awareness problem either.
![[REAL ATC] Two KLM Boeings COLLIDE ON THE GROUND at Schiphol!](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/ptQ3X_S1DvQ/mqdefault.jpg)
Great job. English was clear and understandable. There was the slip away which ATC corrected.
ATC (and crew) got the convenience questions out of the way early, instead of waiting to bother with them on approach, leaving time for the airport to dispatch a tug, and coordinating that well ahead of landing.
what was the slipaway
@@jesperdiercks981 I think it was around 2:31 and 2:58
Just spent 24 hours traveling with KLM, on what should have been a 8 hour trip. Honestly I didn't mind the wait or extra flights, the delay was due to a cargo door issue when we left Toronto. Took the ground crew an hour and a half to figure it out and get us moving which made me miss my connections at Schiphol but rather safe than sorry. Glad this flight made it back with everyone unharmed.
¡Gracias!
I love the mix between Dutch and English in the communication :)
They switch mid-sentence and probably don't even realize. Some of my Indian friends do the exact same thing.
@@rinleez but this was on a discreet frequentie so there were no other ppl on it. It most countries around the world they would not even speak English at all
The Dutch are so danged polite, no egos' just get it done.
Do not be fooled. A lot of Dutch pilots have a huge ego! especially the younger ones.
@@iflycessnas4707 yup
@@iflycessnas4707 not just the young ones
They are very rude here in holland have klm bad reputation
@@willemlenteren1485 it depends on the person but I head a decent experience with KLM
but MAN those seats in the Embraer are TIGHT
This was incredibly interesting! I'm a regular spotter at EHAM so this was very informative. Also I am impressed by all the comms!
Glad it was helpful!
Aah, nice to hear from my fellow countrymen!
Very goed my frend! We spiek cleer and good Englisch!
Do you live in Schithol?!
@@Holland1994D hahahaha! Goeie!
Those guys need to school first I guess
"Erna mag ook hoor" Heelijk droog haha.
Tja waarom niet toch, verder is de situatie erg rustig dus niks mis mee zo haha
Ze hebben zo veel problemen
Efficient en beleefd!..., mijnheer 🤓👍
I can't help but notice the articulation improving as soon as it was established that there was an emergency, and that the Dutch accent also got worse over time :) Besides the actual Dutch communication of course.
Great job by pilots and ATC!
They very bad reutations
For the butthurt comments: they started communicating dutch on the descrete frequency
So much better than American ATC when the pilots needed quiet they ATC allowed them time.
Thank you very much!🙂👍
Well done!
Don't blame them, if one system is gone what's the next potential one to go during flight? Great call to the pilots for coming right back.
It's kind of weird to hear them mixing English and Dutch in their communications, even in the same sentence.
hi, can you please do Hawaian 35?
Does the low not allow them to dump fuel or does that aircraft not have a fuel dumping system? I know it's fuel, environment and all, but in the case of an emergency, it seems ridiculous for a plane to have to circle around to burn fuel instead of just losing it.
I currently fly the e170, and there is no means to dump fuel on that aircraft. You either have to burn it off or land overweight if the emergency is time sensitive.
only a few planes can dump fuel
Most planes need to Burn it rather then dumping bc they cant. If the pilot thought they needed to be on the ground asap they would do a overwheight landing but this plane was safe enough to fly
How come the pilot didn't declare PAN?
On discrete frequencies one can speak Dunglish at one’s discretion? Is that normal…?
Only when ATC can understand Dunglish
Every atc has to be able to speak dutch fluently at schiphol
@@gillsejusbates6938is that still the case? Rotterdam Airport has had Isreali and South African ATC for a long time due to staffing issues. They didn’t speak a lot of Dutch. Nice people though.
SERA.14015 Language to be used in air-ground communication
Regulation (EU) 2016/1185
(a) The air-ground radiotelephony communications shall be conducted in the English language or in the language normally used by the station on the ground.
As long as both parties agree on not using English there's no objection, even on non-discrete (as you can often hear on for example South-American recordings). Especially in case of an emergency where both parties are Dutch it makes no sense to force one's self to adhere to English only.
@@GBOAC Excellent answer. Thanks!
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Met veel plezier ben ik zojuist lid geworden van het kanaal van Bokito. Puike video's tot nu toe gezien
Veel plezier Theo, het is je gegund na al die jaren ellende
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KLM E170? They don’t have these in their fleet. E175 perhaps? ;)
I think this is a old clip, bc there hasnt been a recent incident from klm at AMS (nor on that route)
@@George_the_protogen according to the description it's november the 21st this year.
@@George_the_protogen Ja precies.
The E175 is just another name for the E-170-200 or something like that.
@@gharretje ah ye, idk then. Tho e175 is the same as E170-500ci believe
Why sometimes English talk and sometimes Dutch
because we are leip man
I think it's a bad habit to fall back onto speaking in a native language. Other foreign aircraft might be close by and communicating in English will create some situational awareness for other traffic.
They're on a discreet frequency, so nobody else is hearing them. if you listen carefully, they use Dutch when it is specific about that plane, and what they need but when it comes to the turns, speed and all other information that could be of use to other pilots is in extremely clear English. These guys know exactly what they're doing, and they do it well.
The only one lacking awareness is you
I think its a bad habit criticizing things you dont know anything about
Found the backseater
Why? There are plenty of countries using dual ATC language every single day without any problem. I fly in dual language envirnoment frequently and I don't see the problem you claimed here. Afaik all single language speaker colleagues I know did not experience situational awareness problem either.
Bit annoyed by them reverting back to Dutch while the ATC (initially) replies in English as they should.
Why are you?
@@VASAviation They just want to feel better by saying something is bad.
Both dutch on a discrete freq, boeie
Guess your not bilingual, it’s very easy to slip back to your base language.
So what? Since it's an emergency it's fine and they are on a discrete frequency. Jammer Sander
This airline have so many issues bad for costumers rude crew and the big thing Tenerife
really pushing hard to get your point across huh?
lmao. still bothered by a thing thath appened 50 years go? lolol