This was not three films about a story, but rather an IP that has three promotional films. Several billion dollars later and no artists involved want to touch that brand again. It is incredible.
"You knew it was gonna be a trilogy. Decide who the antagonist should be, in the last film, before making the first two. It's not hard" -Quote of the decade
Long ago, I read in some how-to-write book that having a clear start point and end point will go a long way towards making the story come together. This simple step would have helped Disney Star Wars immensely; for The Last Jedi in particular, there was a definite sense that the filmmakers did not feel limited by anything.
I'm guessing they didn't plan the trilogy ahead in order to ensure no plot points are being leaked. Remember the ridiculous secrecy that was made about the first film of the sequel trilogy? Anyway, bad idea to not plan ahead.
TFA was certainly a fun movie, it just made the unforgivable sin of not being completely perfect so the butthurt prequel fanbois could go mining for salt.
@@sirmount2636 Thank You!! I tell ya, these guys brought it on themselves. They took the prequel hate Waaaaaaaayy too far and scared off the creator of the franchise. Making it a soulless husk, great job guys!😑
they wasted a mostly good cast, and a true once in a lifetime opportunity to reunite the OT cast. Instead they were given little to do in the first place, never having them interact with each other for more than just a couple of minutes, if even and regressing their characters all in an attempt to improperly build up the new cast
It was all such a missed opportunity. The only main cast members career this trilogy won’t negatively impact, will be Adam Driver’s. I predict that Daisy, and John to a lesser extent; won’t show up in anything for a little while.
Bearded Bjorn nah Boyega and Issac seem fine. OI will feature heavily in Villenue’s Dune (which will probably be a critical success and break even) and I can see Boyega becoming a charismatic star-type character actor. He is actually really good. Daisy Ridley though is a bit of an enigma. While I don’t want to rule out her finding success elsewhere, nothing in the Star Wars films really gave her ample opportunity to inject nuance into her performances. (nor did she apparently look for it, judging from her interviews) If she has a big, artistically satisfying career I suspect it’ll manifest in tv.
Kathleen Kennedy: _There’s no source material. We don’t have comic books. We don’t have 800-page novels. We don’t have anything other than passionate storytellers who get together and talk about what the next iteration might be_ Star Wars Expanded Universe: _am I a joke to you?_
Carlton, Interesting that you would mention the Expanded Universe. It appears that many of the Disney Star Wars movies have been inspired by various storylines and plot points in the Expanded Universe. Among them... Kylo Ren was inspired by Darth Caedius. There was a children's book about a boy who claimed to be the grandson of Emperor Palpatine. The Force Connection between Rey and Kylo Ren seems to be similar to the connection between Jacen and Jaina Organa Solo. The Solo movie was inspired by the Han Solo novels. There was a blind monk in Rogue One that was implied to have latent Force sensitivity. This was similar to Kir Kanos, an Imperial Royal Guard. The Rise of Skywalker was the first film to feature a Holocron. Sith Lords in the Expanded Universe could transfer their souls to a new body.
JJ Abrams has to be the most overrated director of the modern era. I've literally not enjoyed one of his films, they are all glossy and overblown with no substance. I'd take a tacky John Carpenter movie with 5% of the budget any day of the week.
sooooooo true, ive known this since i rewatched lost. it kills me there are great directors with no budget while this fcuk is fcuking around billions of dollars
The force awakens was a very good movie. A lot of things were set up that had interesting possibilities. But none of them got paid off. The last Jedi was a mess. Disney and Kathleen Kennedy allowed Johnson to make anything he wanted and things didn’t go well.
Funny that you mentioned Lord of the Rings because I had just been thinking about a comparison. Though this is hardly to insinuate that the stories or authors mentioned could be properly equated to their Star Wars counterparts. Imagine if after publishing Fellowship of the Ring Tolkien's publisher got C.S. Lewis to write the Two Towers. In it Saruman tries tempting Aragorn to evil by telling him his lineage was a lie and he was born to simple farmers from Arnor. Saruman fails but instead kills off Sauron, takes over the armies of Mordor and nearly wipes out Gondor, leaving Frodo's quest null and void. Then Tolkien hastily writes a version of Return of the King where he introduces Morgoth as the new main villain. He quickly shunts aside Saruman and threatens Middle Earth with an army of Balrogs who can't yet escape from his fortress in Angband for ill-defined reasons. Morgoth tells Aragorn that he is his own creation and that he will use him to regain his power. Aragorn fights Morgoth with the help of Saruman as an inexplicably large army of the free people assault Angband. Aragorn then defeats Morgoth after Gandalf tells Aragorn all the Valar live in him. All the while Frodo is relegated to a sidekick and Saruman's army is never mentioned again. Also Tom Bombadil gives Saruman his ring of power which he apparently forgot to do earlier and Merry and Pippin get new wacky hobbit friends Beebee and Deeyo.
@@ieuanhunt552 Thank you. And I'm sorry. Though the ironic thing is I'm not sure what I described was even as much of a whiplash as Rise of Skywalker. In Tolkein's books Morgoth was prophesied to return, and he was referenced in Fellowship, so it is honestly less of an ass-pull.
That's pretty much J. J. Abrams's whole approach. It became very clear by the end of Lost that he'd started with absolutely no idea where he was going. He was making it up as he went along and tailoring his show in accordance with fan reaction, and he brought that same rot to the Star Wars franchise. Kennedy and the other Disney management didn't care about Star Wars, didn't like it, didn't understand it. They just wanted to hire in somebody to make it so the nerds would buy it and they could rake in the gold. So they left their entire fledgling franchise in the hands of a fundamentally - critically - flawed filmmaker. And here we are: Star Wars is a joke.
I think the main narrative was really "how much money can we milk out of this thing?" they obviously don't give a crap about its cult status or how beloved it is by millions of people, they think that if they just keep shitting out quickly made, badly thought out movies with star wars "stuff" in it, they can make money forever. there is no love, inspiration or creativity in this current trilogy... just cold, heartless corporate money grabbing
@@blaubeer8039 Difference is, when George made the first one, there was no plan for a trilogy, so A New Hope was a stand alone movie with a beginning, middle, and an end. Disney and JJ on the other hand, was producing a trilogy, and The Force Awakens was open ended.
Anything Disney is hardly creative. It's a money making corporate machine. It they happen to produce something creative it's most likely some small bit more independent studio appendix etc. that has a bit more autonomy before they notice and consume it. That was the problem with Disney SW. It was an committee effort, not creative one. It had almost nothing original in it. It had to fill certain tick boxes, have this that and the other to please different groups.
@@seybertooth9282 Syber had it right to begin with. If you think that 'ideology' (unless you mean capitalism) is what made the new Star Wars films bad then you've got a terminally simplistic and myopic view of media.
disney and creative in one sentnce my my you sir are a dare devil since disney hasent ever made anything origional ever all they ever did was take from the public domain and buy other studio's who did have talent only to consume them into their " empire of joy" and put them to work rehashing old tales from the public domain
“There's no source material. We don't have comic books. We don't have 800-page novels. We don't have anything other than passionate storytellers who get together and talk about what the next iteration might be.” - Kathleen Kennedy
It was always a bad sign when disney ignored decades of books. Timothy Zahn's Heir to the Empire continues the story after ep 6 and was released in 1991..
And yet, because it wasn't an adaptation of a specific EU story, it was a bright new future story. They actually were free to do anything. The prelogy had pressure : it HAD TO follow some guidelines to give answers to specific questions, mostly "how did the Republic fall" and "how Anakin became Vader". It wasn't perfect, but it was mostly good. The sequelogy was free to tell any story, to make its own canon. Sky was the limit, all they had to do was to not contradict the 6 previous movies. It was supposed to be an easier story to tell. Yet, we have this result : the most disliked Star Wars trilogy. And I don't explain it.
I almost wonder if Disney's decision to decannonize ALL EU content at once was due to lack of desire to research outside the main line movies/laziness. Had they not decannonized it all, or even if they'd stop freaking cherry picking individual things like Thrawn, they would have had much more to work with. I would be inclined to commend them had they done it to tred their own path, but this movie proves that isn't the case. Nothing but retreads and poorly borrowed ideas incorrectly realized and not at all explained. To many things in this movie they expect to be accepted just because "Star Wars" when they themselves show such lack of understanding or respect for the source material they take ideas from.
Corporate exec: "The whole Muad D'ib thing is testing a little islamic. So we've been looking at this Feyd-Rautha character. How about if he's really conflicted but actually not evil, so he ends up stopping the Jihad AND gets Princess Irulan? "
I don't dislike Villeneuve, but he ain't all that. It will look well and hold together well, but it'll be light on depth, just like his other movies. He always strikes me as a man who has something interesting to say, but hasn't learned enough words to express himself yet. I don't see that changing for his next project.
@TechnicalTortuga George Lucas's willingness to help makes it all the more tragic. What they have done to his creation. The entire process, especially him stating he felt betrayed by Disney, feels like a proud parent mistakenly giving their child to an exploitative monster under the pretense the child would be well taken care of. Then instead they are chained up in a shed in the backyard and forced into sweatshop labor. "Hey, I can help you make this better... They just need to be able to develop and take risks... They need to live...", "Psh, nah, I can keep an eye on them this way and guarantee my profits, screw the quality and creativity."
"Kathleen Kennedy and JJ Abrams aren't stupid." Perhaps not, but the ability to wheedle your way to the top in Hollywood doesn't necessarily translate to an ability to create a satisfying story.
@@QwertyCaesar Kennedy had Speilberg and Lucas propping her up. Witness what happens when she's given charge and free rein. (Did you hear the rumour that she's been banned from the set of The Mandalorian? I'd say she earned _that_ spot.)
"As Yoda would say, there's great responsibility... that goes with doing this and I think we all take that seriously so..." - Kathleen Kennedy Uh, I think she was referring to this quote: "With great power comes great responsibility." - Ben Parker, Spider-man's uncle.
Geordi La Forge - You have no videos & I suspect you have not achieved much. There is nothing 'care free' about a douche executive's life. They work very hard, it is just that the vast majority of their work is tactical, nauseatingly political, and often oriented around networking in an attempt to maintain their power in an environment where many people are gunning for their position. The nature of their work requires them to address many 'of the moment' issues, and so being expedient is always their reality, and this rewards and requires the skills of manipulation, along with placating and schmoozing others. What the job of an executive actually consists of leaves them woefully unprepared to address issues of vision and strategy. Executives have long long days, often where they must sit through numerous stultifying meetings during which they often adumbrate pseudo-profound platitudes in addition to actual guidance and direction. The perks they have are the reward for being 'on duty' 24/7 and for having to maintain a corporate and synthetic personality.
@@Menstral I'm positive cocaine became popular among executives (at least according to the stereotype) during the 80's simply to keep up with the lifestyle.
It’s amazing they didn’t bother to plan out the trilogy and just made it up as they went along. Everyone seems to assume nerds are the most brain dead, saddest people who will spend their last dollar on mindless entertainment as long as it has a label on it and they were only half wrong.
What you call "nerds" are the people most susceptible to marketing, the people who yield the maximum profit per marketing dollar spent. This is why it's not altogether bad news when the economy is suffering, it causes this group to shrink in size as well as spending power. However, for some reason there are large parts of the entertainment industry which are so committed to this strategy that they continue pursuing it even when it doesn't work.
@@handsomebrick And where exactly would you see these marketing campaigns? Most tech-savy people use an add-blocker and don't watch TV. On my letterbox is a sticker with "please only mail with an address on it" and most of my nerdy friends do the same.
@@benjaminmeusburger4254 on places like reddit or social media. Or even right here on UA-cam. You would be surprised how many people are susceptible to ads without even noticing they are being advertised to(or rather how much it actually affects them).
There was an excercise I did in an english class in high school where one person would write a line to a story and the next person would add the next line. Needless to say the narrative went off the rails pretty quickly as each person had their own idea about what they wanted to do with the story.
I did. When they decanonized the EU, it became clear they had no desire to do even basic homework for Star Wars. The end result is a trilogy that makes the original trilogy pointless and gives us a Disney Princess that has uspered all the powers, skills and even family names of the original cast.
@@Edax_Royeaux Honestly, when they showed Millenium Falcon in the trailers I knew the films were going to suck. Instead of taking the story into a new and interesting direction, they just threw in things the fans already knew in order to gain nostalgia points. Seeing old Harrison Ford still flying around with Chewbacca felt like a fucking joke. It didn't dare enough.
I’m happy we all can see how Disney as a collective aren’t artists they’re panderers. They never set out to tell a story for the story’s sake; they wanted to pander to whomever would give them money. People can feel these things. This is a great catalyst for some self reflection in my mind.
8:40 "Disney should have seen how fatigued their employees were" *Mickey Mouse walks out and beats the shit out of his employees after they didn't have his money.
Eisner and Iger are two complete opposites. Eisner lost a lot of money for the company by investing into wacky and strange ideas. While his ideas were definitely unique and kinda cool in hindsight (like the Disney arcades or the adult Disney themed nightclubs on pleasure island) they were not money makers After Eisner kinda effed up, the shareholders and investors picked someone who could earn their money, and that’s what Bob Iger does. Practically everything Disney does now is safe, corporate, and earns a lot of money. It’s made them one of the biggest corporations in the world, but it costed them their soul Eisner was a flawed ceo, and he was not very smart, but at least he tried goddamnit. I will take a million different insane Disney themed adult nightclubs over another shitty Star Wars movie or a live action remake
Eisner (and Katzenberg) were the guys behind the Disney Renaissance which meant not closing the then derelict 2D animation section of Disney, and then Eisner greenlit the direct-to-video sequels as well; Iger is the guy behind the live action remakes. Eisner and Katzenberg were daring, open to sperimentation for new IPs and manipulation of the existing ones in different ways in a high risk way that could potentially be a disaster or a miracle, while Iger is supersafe and prefers taking existent IPs, and companies, and not doing much with them, risking very low and with certain monetary gain, at the expense of Disney being you know, /good/.
Star Wars is like a class-hamster lying in a coma - while you can't be sure who should get most of the blame (Abrams? Johnson? Kennedy? Iger? Horn? ...) you can assume everyone took at least a little part in it.
1:29 lmao Anthony Daniels and his melodramatic C3PO masking. I love 3PO and Daniels was amazing at his performance lol but dear lord it's as if every time he puts on the mask, all the actors who died in the making of their craft come back and speak to him like he's about to save the world "Rise, Anthony" "1,000 Heath Ledgers live in you now"
But there's a limit to how much Marvel planned. You can see that in things like Tony Stark just going back to being Iron Man after his trilogy was capped off with the symbolic suit-destruction and the whole loss of Age of Ultron's driving point (it's about Tony's hubris right up until his hubris saves the day with a better super-robot), not to mention Thor's sudden gear-change between movies. Within the grand plan, there's a fair bit of organic storytelling going on. If anything, the best Marvel stuff demonstrates the kind of constructive creativity that I think drove TLJ than everything following a rigid plan.
The problem was that they did have a plan. It's just that Rian didn't stick to the plan with The Last Jedi, and Leia was going to have a much bigger role, while Han Solo and Luke would be killed off. Ironically, Carrie Fischer died and the other actors lived, which really screwed things up.
@@qty1315 Johnson's said that he asked what plans they had and was told there wasn't one, and no one in the Story Group has ever contradicted that. Abrams seems to have had a plan and told a couple of people but not him. Ironically, Marvel shows that you can deviate from the plan in ways like... err, changing the main villain's entire motivation and the audience will mostly buy it. They needed to roll with the punch of losing Carrie Fisher, just like Nolan did when Heath Ledger died.
The Force Awakens was too safe, The Last Jedi was too divisive, after both extremes a third swing was doomed to fall flat. Especially when they're just making it up as they go.
The force awakens was a rehash of a new hope. The last Jedi destroyed all the interesting plot threads everybody wa a hyped for. (Why did Luke leave, who is smoke) Rise of sky walker is whatever the fuck that film is
@@wifine1951 who gives a fuck about reys parents Who cares about snoke Who cares about luke RUNNING AWAY Their focus was making intentional bait to drip feed over the 3 movies than actually creating a natural way to introduce those plotlines No one gave a shit about lukes parents or who darth was under the mask. Because the story at hand was more interesting than tiny details that wouldnt be explained till the end
@@whodis715 your statements are subjective and for most people false. all of these questions (who is snoke, why did Luke run away) are extremely important because we are walking into a starwars galaxy we have not been to in 30 years and the audience needed to have an explanation for how this galaxy is different to the one we left after Endor. The sequel trilogy fundamentally failed in world building, and it fundamentally failed in doing anything new or creative.
Tapped out from pop culture after TLJ. Took up woodworking. I'm genuinely at peace. I have very little in common with our cultural gatekeepers. There's nothing in their outlook on life that nourishes or informs me.
“Every one of these movies is a particularly hard nut to crack. There’s no source material. We don’t have comic books. We don’t have 800-page novels. We don’t have anything other than passionate storytellers who get together and talk about what the next iteration might be.” - Kathleen Kennedy Me, staring at Star Wars: the expanded universe
Most of it is bad if we're being honest. That said if they just hire creators who are also Star Wars fans they'll reincorporate the best bits of the EU (already have with Thrawn and TOR) and if there's something they're fond of but a bit shite they'll try that idea again but it'll be way better than the original.
Let's not forget George Lucas himself gave them a god damn story outline for the Sequel Trilogy. They had so much to work with and they decided not to use a god damn bit of it.
@@QwertyCaesar This is what is so stupid. It's pretty obvious with 7 and 9 they were creatively bankrupt(still trying to wrap my head around 8). If they were going to be so lazy they could have atleast just adapted the EU. It has its fans. People are familiar with it. They didn't have to follow it religiously. They could have changed things. Keep the good, cut out the bad. Reconfigure to make it work for a movie. The EU atleast made sense as a Sequel even if it had it's low points.
That quote is one of the most amazing things I've ever heard from the movie industry. Even if they didn't like most of the EU it is still vast and there is plenty of great ideas in it. I honestly can't think of another story franchise with more material to pick from. It's like Jeff Bezos claiming he didn't have enough money to open up a corner shop.
You sound like Kurtzman on Star Trek, since JJ Abrams stuck his fingers in it. In the end: even lifeless crap, without imagination, with cardboard characters and scenarios that break as soon as you think about their logic.
I don't think TLJ ruined Luke at all, his change is coherent. If anything I didn't want him to retaliate, Jedi is an obsolete religion and, in fact, the Jedi that are the most interesting are those who don't follow it blindly (Qui-Gon, Mace Windu, Ahsoka...)
@@Linkale_ His change is not in any way coherent. He decides, on a whim, to murder his nephew and then stops too late? That is extremely hamfisted and forced writing just to do a quick change of an established character. It _could_ have been done legitimately. Severe mental illness would have been one route. Otherwise, it would require a detailed and story of the tragic downfall of a hopeful and compassionate and committed character... But that would have taken effort and actual skill. Get a few more years on you and see a few more films and it will be as blinding as daylight how badly that film was structured and written, and how much possible actual deconstruction of SW tropes could have been realized, but weren't.
@@SolarScion but it's not true that he decided to murder Kylo, is was a quick idea that went as quickly as it came. Obviously the movie fails for presenting it like "sometimes happens, doesn't it?" which is a bit clumsy, but well, it's Star Wars, it has always been clumsy. With a couple of minutes more of footage it could have been argued that Luke was going through a mental illness at the time, that maybe he put all his hopes and efforts to that cause an he was seeing it all crushing. Maybe we'll see that on a EU thing in a near future. But I don't think it's completely unrealistic for the character of Luke
Haven't seen anywhere the re-typed version of a starting crawl, so here it is: "STAR WARS Episode IX EXECUTIVE LEADERSHIP FAILURE The WDC reigns, but cracks have formed upon its newly consolidated EMPIRE! Having been spurred by contradictory messages, TICKET SALES are down. As the trilogy comes to a close, brave EXECUTIVES must race to safety before the unforgiving lord Jar-Jar also finds out that merchandise revenues have collapsed in the third quarter! But hope is not all lost! It will probably still be popular for years, and in a little while another trilogy can be released and be free from any HIGH EXPECTATIONS. You could do a whole film on ENDOR, those little bear things would sell really well if you get them in a videogame, and there could be more robots. OR the bears could be robots, and they're the ones that make lightsabers and the head one is YODA's son! AND you could have RAY with those sidebuns like LEIA had, because people like things like that. LANDO's daughter could marry R2D2's brother - no wait, what if R2D2 has been possessed by the SITH SPIRIT of EMPEROR PALPATINE..." French horn at 0.25 is terrifying. Also, they did make the ewoks movies - I've seen it way, way back and for the longest time thought that it was some sort of weird dream that I had. The best use of these little buggers in the game that I've seen is the use of them as the suicide troops by space pirates in the Empire at War addon.
Disney star wars: What happen when you have no plan, film all the ideas that popped in to your head and then try to write the story in the edit at the last minute.
This happened to some extent in RotJ as well, as they brainstormed every idea how the Ewoks could destory AT-ST's and then filmed them. Rather than just let Chewie and the other 2 hijack the one and let them destroy the others.
@@wolfson109 The amount of effort it takes to spend money is minimal. Have you ever seen the budget to an Adam Sandler movie like Jack and Jill? Just because it cost a ton of money due to corruption doesn't mean there was any real effort involved.
Hence why the next 20 films from Disney will be nothing but remakes of their classic films. I mean, why take any type of risk in making something new and original when you can just repackage an IP that people have nostalgia for and sell it with little to no real effort put in? Disney is a cancer
I love how this guy doesn't rely on jump cuts and begging for subscriptions. He just honestly uses his knowledge to call out or praise the movie makers. He is genuinely funny and witty without pomp. George RS is absolutely my favourite youtuber this month. Thanks G!
Excellent observation. You're absolutely right about the higher ups in Disney- they should had taken Control of the situation after The Last Jedi; hell, that should had happened after Solo tanked in the Box Office!
I'm pretty sure this newest movie IS Disney higher-ups taking control after The Last Jedi. That one tiny segment of the fandom complained because it was too new so they steered right back into regurgitated nostalgia with TROS. That is the true "choking" of this franchise: sucking on it's own regurgitated Original Trilogy nostalgia shit because middle aged virgins don't want it to grow beyond the Original Trilogy. This franchise is the Ouroborous, sucking on its own asshole. A one person human centipede.
@@charliefoxtrot3980 You're spitting some bullshit, my friend. You're ignoring the fact that TLJ shat on what JJ the mystery box man set up in TFA, and then RoS shat on what TLJ set up because of JJ wanting his vision (whatever the hell that was) back but having it irredeemably broken by the nonsense TLJ pulled while Disney CEOs wanted it to appeal to everyone from TFA to TLJ fans. You're taking the fallout from Rian Johnson fucking up the middle act of a trilogy which turns the final act into a mess, and blaming it on this imagined idea you have of people who dislike TLJ magically influencing corporate interests to bow to them. Fans don't influence corporate decisions that much, except through money. Let alone if the "tiny segment" bit was true. If they changed shit specifically due to fans, it's because they aren't making enough money (or just less than before), which then proves it's not a small amount that dislike what TLJ did. Just look at the box office numbers between TFA and TLJ. Pretending that middle aged virgins don't want things to grow beyond the Original Trilogy ignores the smashing success of The Mandalorian, which is not only different from anything that's come before for Star Wars but goes beyond the OT.
@@charliefoxtrot3980 if the old fans wanted the same old same old, how come the always call the DT lazy rehashes? Ive never heard anyone ever say they wanted a reboot. I think you are just looking for an excuse to call folk names like middle aged virgins. Just a guess.
@@briancates3576 Rogue One was not bad. Not without its problems, but the first SW film I saw in ages which was respectable. I think things were going downhill in Return of the Jedi. There are some good aspects in ROTJ, but then there are the fucking teddy bears who live in treehouses. Lucas has always had a schmaltzy tendency, which has been Spielberg's downfall too.
The Mandalorian proves that these movies just had 0 passion or creativity put in it. The new trilogy is defined by cynicism, meanwhile I can feel that the creators of the Mandalorian actually had fun with the show and tried stretching creative muscles for a short tv series, not a mainline entry.
I just dont care anymore. They killed Star Wars for me. I will never watch any of their crap or buy anything Disney. If thats not enough Star Trek was assassinated too. Both were progressive, positive, forward looking and optimistic. Now there is only mediocrity, hate, stupidity and pitting people against each other. This customer will never buy any of their products. I would have loved to go to see Star Wars with my kids but now it will never happen. I wont let these haters poison their minds. Btw - The Force is universal, it is in all of us and binds us all and pervades us all. Whatever haters say wont change that.
@@carbonara2144 Remember the good old days when Star Wars and Star Trek fans would argue over which is better? Now they're arguing over which sucks less.
@@sirmount2636 honestly yeah. Everyone's pretending like 'evil' Disney isn't still just a company that follows criticism in an attempt to make corrections that will ultimately get them more money. You have to give them credit for taking a risk on a movie like TLJ and instead of any kind of encouragement to try new things people literally tried to boycott the whole trilogy and now suddenly we're all upset that ROS was a extremely safe nostalgia bomb. It's ironic.
@@choochdrews no its not ironic. its a shitshow. "evil" would not apply to Disney they are just stupid and inept. If is spent Billions of dollars on the worlds biggest IP i would spend more effort than none at all developing ideas and plot for movies. They walked into the new moives with no blue print, overarching themes or even a basic idea for the world. World building is important in this kind of universe and Starwars had 40 years of it. So
@@choochdrews I don't understand why people think TLJ tried new things. My entire problem with the movie is that it's a distillation of the problems Star Wars and big action movies already have. Lack of continuity and dumb villains first and foremost. TLJ reminded me how dumb the franchise in general had always been.
@@EverSinceMyExorcism Gotta be Rise. I mean, he had an emotional connection to Star Wars at some point, and saw it get shat on several times this millennium!
"we're just getting started" I think he means they're going to eventually make movies that don't involve any Skywalker stuff, and focus on Disney+ Star Wars content.
The Sequel Trilogy had major conceptual problems from the very beginning. In an attempt to appeal to Original Trilogy nostalgia, they ironically crafted a story in which the events of that trilogy were ultimately a failure, and thus the entire war had to be fought again. That's a problem. I always shake my head when people say RoS ruined the OT's ending by bringing Palpatine back. No, TFA ruined the OT's ending by bringing the Empire back, albeit under a different name. The overall story of this trilogy is a disservice to the OT and it surprises me how many fans (even those critical of this trilogy) still don't see that.
The whole idea of palpatine returning and the removal of Anakin’s ghost is just disrespectful and disappointing as a fan of anakin/Vader’s character/arch.
The real problem of the sequel trilogy was that there's no clear direction. In the PT, it was about the Rise and Fall of Anakin Skywalker and pretty much Darth Vader's origin story In the OT, it was about the Rebel alliance taking down the empire and Luke Skywalker redeeming his father and bringing back the Jedi. The Sequel Trilogy however, it's kinda hard to follow other than a neat Kylo Ren Redemption arc. As much as I enjoyed the sequel trilogy, it became evident by TROS that both Rian Johnson and JJ Abrams were not on the same page whatsoever. Hopefully in the new Trilogy coming out in 2022 they can stick with a direction and one person's vision.
I'm not the first person to say this but the thing that separates the first six movies from this mess is that George Lucas had a story that he wanted to tell. The execution of the storytelling in the prequels may have been extremely flawed because he fired anyone that didn't tell him what he wanted to hear, but it was always Lucas's vision from beginning to end. These movies seem like design-by-committee products scientifically engineered to extract specific emotional responses (and cash) from a precise set of demographics. This whole experience has felt less like being told a story and more like being sold a time-share in Florida.
There was a trilogy plan. Several, in fact. George Lucas has his script, which was tossed. And JJ Abrams had a script, which got tossed when he didnt get to make the 2nd movie. And after that it was pretty much too late.
Yeah, when they said they were going to have a different director for each movie, like the OT, everyone was like, "cool." We didn't realize they also meant each director could do whatever they wanted with the story.
Dir. Ed Wood + lens flares = J.J. Abrams. He screwed up Star Trek and Star Wars, two franchises that PIVOT on a good story. I have very little positive to say about him.
The music on your opening crawl...wow. It was hilarious! You timed that perfectly, I was right at fast forwarding when it stopped. Somebody reeeeeeeeeally needs Mel Brooks to make Spaceballs 2...
Each of the sequels seems to be a reaction to the previous star wars film(s). TFA is a reaction to the prequels (felt very much like the original film, basically a copy/paste to rekindle love for the franchise after being burnt by the prequels). TLJ is a reaction to TFA (basically did everything to subvert the expectations of the viewer, nothing was meant to be predictable). Then lastly TRoS was a reaction to TLJ (ignored a lot of things that happened in TLJ and some could say it retconned quite a bit too).
I have to say, you are maybe one of two UA-cam movie critics that I absolutely trust in their opinion. Keep up the amazing work and I hope your 2020 brings you even more success
Star Wars chocked in the same way I chocked that time in highschool I shat myself during a 200m race, abandoned the field, and ran to my home crying, I wasnt a massive failure nor did I disappoint everyone who believed in me, I just "chocked".
I think it is worth remembering that JJ Abrams initially declined working on Star Wars, stating he'd rather be in the audience. What made him change his mind? Disney simply offered him more money. He wasn't doing it because he was creatively inspired to do so, or felt he had some story to tell. Nope, he simply wanted that cold hard cash. Phil Lord and Christopher Miller at least had the balls to see the writing on the wall and step away from what they were seeing.
Her background is actually excellent, I don't know what happened there, many of her actions even seem like rookie mistakes which suggests to me that something else is going on.
@@handsomebrick didn't it used to be, though, a three-man team of Steven Spielberg, Kathleen Kennedy, and Frank Marshall? Maybe she can't handle the entire job herself.
I knew it was going to be bad the moment I SAW the REDUNDANT, yet UNNECESSARY caps. SEEMS like they didn't know ANY OTHER WAY to use EMPHASIS. Really foreshadows the rest of the directions that the writing for the movie takes.
Why do people complain JJ didn’t follow Ryan Johnson’s narrative? There was no narrative path to follow after TLJ. There were no cliffhangers, no plot lines to follow besides “good guys vs bad guys” Ryan Johnson treated TLJ as if it was the final movie in the trilogy, he screwed over whoever it was that would direct TLJ. Even the final scene with the kid feels like the ending of a trilogy and not of the second movie in one.
Which just goes to Georg's point, right? Disney had the ultimate responsibility to make sure it gone done right. Is there any doubt that Bob Iger could have called up Johnson, Kennedy and Abrams said, "get over here and explain to me your collective plan to end this in a satisfying way," that it wouldn't have happened? Disney held the reigns from the get-go and *should have kept their eyes on the prize* -- "just the beginning [of a huge mega-franchise]" and that means they needed a cohesive ending (maybe even a good one?) and agreement among their creatives about what that was going to be. Georg made a good argument that ultimately Disney didn't plan, didn't give their creative team and leadership the right balance of guidance and freedom, and choked when things seemed to be going wrong creating a self-fulfilling prophecy and leading to the dark side.
Either that OR taking SW to such a unexpected place could be the spark to not be shackled into formulas that came before and try to take the franchise elsewhere story-wise. The Rebellion is in ruins and one of the main characters is the supreme evil leader now, which can only end in redemption or death. HOW is that supposed to feel like the "end of an trilogy" when it is obvious that the opportunity to take the story to a new place is in front of you? And the fact that JJ not only was aware to where Rian was taking the story, but went on record to express that JJ himself liked Rian's script so much that he felt "envious" that he wouldn't be able to direct the movie himself speaks volumes about the "Rian screwed everyone" BS argument. Disney tried to pander to the worst part of the fanbase and created a spineless piece of media that cowardly throws the careers of actors and directors under the bus in order to maintain the their conflict-less family branding.
@@MrAlexandreRocha Or maybe Rian's attempt just wasn't that good. The problem of TLJ is that it doesn't exactly go any direction that much and keeps changing focus so there is not much impact. Film tries to be subversive in some pretty "up yer nose" kind of ways but not really doing anything interesting with it and then it just becomes same old narrative. Rian seems like a guy who can do stuff with his own deck of cards but does not know how to handle deck made by someone else. ROS was kinda lazy attempt, but TLJ wasn't exactly the most compelling mid point either. ESB was kinda classic narrative and still managed to actually make "subversive" ending with kinda hopeless tone. Trying to subvert something which has already been subverted is not gonna surprise that much.
@@Yurikon3 I don't think TLJ Is a perfect movie or anything, the Canto Bight arc is over long, DJ is an awful character (that only serves to introduce a interesting theme that is not even mentioned in RoS) and minor stuff. But I don't understand why people are so hung up in this "RJ tried to be subversive" when the only thing that is really out of the expected that he does is killing Snoke (that makes Kylo's arc even more complex), the mutiny stuff that serves to push Poe's development forward, and the character development of Luke. My problem with most criticism of TLJ is the people that seem to live in this alternate reality like RJ is this smug asshole mastermind that created this movie with no regard for continuity and no plan only to advance this supposedly vile "liberal" agendas and deliberately ruin a franchise, when artistically and cinematically speaking, the movie is pretty well done, gives development and depth to every main character and has a very clear theme.
@@MrAlexandreRocha most of that depth is pretty shallow. It doesn't matter was it planned or whatever else the supposed motivations were, by themselves lot of ideas were introduced, but not very well developed. Killing of Snoke is kinda... here and there. For me it does not mean much due Kylo not being that interesting character in the first place. He is still the most interesting of the group, which is not telling much. Poe's arc was pretty shoehorned, since it mostly required pretty forced problem which was pretty easy to solve. Most of the problems stem from the overall thing that characters just aren't... that interesting, so RJ really wasn't given the best cards to play there.
I think one of the big problems is that Disney, in an effort to put their stamp on Star Wars, decided to eliminate all of the books that came out after Return of The Jedi and completely change the direction of "their" universe. Not only that, but fundamentally changing characters that are beloved from the first trilogy into strange caricatures of themselves didn't help things either. Millions of people were invested in those characters for decades. You don't just re-invent those iconic characters. If you wanted characters with these new personalities and traits, invent NEW characters to do it with, don't tear down and rebuild existing characters to suit your new mold...
@2manynegativewaves My point is that if they wanted to take a character in a new direction, ok, but they should have included more back story to really explain it. Plopping a character in the middle of a sequel with a completely new personality is a bit jarring for most people, and I don't know of any movie that has done that successfully. (please correct me if you know of a successful example).
Yeah you're so right. Making the franchise up as you go in order to see how long you can milk the franchise is EXACTLY the problem. Happened with lost. Happened with game of thrones. Even happened with the Simpsons. No clear direction.
Disney: "We better discard all this Expanded Universe canon, we can't have all this willy-nilly-seat-pants stuff cluttering up the place while we write our carefully crafted beautiful replacement" ... OOPS. And to think they could have just shot the x-wing novels.
meanwhile he was quoting the plot of LOTR. Someone is not a real fan. He just went to see them because hype, and doesn;t actually know shit. Any 1/2 serious Tokien fan would be far more precise.
@@leeharveydarke "Someone's asking questions about the plot! Quick, throw someone through a jet turbine engine! Call out a smoke monster! Kill Jack! Do SOMETHING! ... or don't kill Jack, whatever." JJ Abrams, a man of other people's convictions.
Charles Caine - I am not sure he does.... It’s hard to tell while watching, as all the frenetic activity is pretty distracting and one never really has time to register the flaws. I think people just come away with the impression they have been entertained while being ripped off. It takes a bit of reflection in the car outside the theater to figure out why.
They should also have treated it as if they were making a good film, not making a profitable business. George Lucus didn't expect the first star wars to be a huge success. He just made a good film, he put his heart into it. The success and money follows if you don't make it the focus of the production
This critique really is spot on in identifying just how sensitive the makers of these films were to negative fan critique and how much that changed how these movies have been made. TFA is a hard a appeal to nostalgia. Fans are disappointed at how derivative it is. TLJ is a hard swerve the other direction, pushing to break ground and subvert expectations (and if you think this was Rian Johnson acting as some sort of rogue agent, then you're fooling yourself as that's not how movies are made). The fanbase fractures to an extent, but in large measure reacts negatively to how much shakeup is made with a classic franchise. ROS is, again, a hard swerve against this, trying to appease the fans as much as possible. Much as the fanbase fractured after TLJ, ROS fractures itself, using much of its creative capital in trying to retcon TLJ out of existence, leaving a mess of a movie, and a mess of a franchise, behind.
It's easy to compare him to Spielberg due to many similarities in life as well as JJ's seemingly following what he views as Spielberg's strengths. Rewatching older Spielberg movies recently was not as enjoyable as when they were released. I'm starting to think JJ's attempt to copy Spielberg has exposed me to many Spielberg tricks that Spielberg masterfully hid, while JJ has no such skill.
The most thoughtful defense for this movie I've heard, that didn't amount to the defender admitting they like having keys jangled in their face ("the effects were awesome, the fight scenes were really cool," etc.) Was that, if you went into the film not knowing anything about Star Wars or the established lore, RoS was the most watchable of the new trilogy. But that's the problem: there are a dozen "watchable" movies that come out every year, none of them are cultural watermarks the way Star Wars is.
Exactly, you can't put things like "the plot mostly made sense" or "the movie's soundtrack isn't that annoying" on your movie poster, a filmmaker who only cares about avoiding mistakes might as well make nothing, a true filmmaker takes chances.
Is even that true? Every scene is so compressed that no one has time to grow or even be established, and so much of the plot relies on elements set up in previous movies. I feel like if I saw this movie without knowing about Star Wars, I'd find it incomprehensible.
@@Stuurminator I wouldn't know, I refused to give Disney any more money after TFA. I'm just relaying what I felt was the most thought-out shill for the movie, the defense of it that didn't just boil down to "I like big-budget spectacles that cost millions of dollars to generate," and why I still thought it was a pretty crappy defense.
Something a lot of people don't realize is the first two movies dicked around. A lot of set up and world building was necessary to get us back to speed and neither The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi forget they're each an episode in a grand Saga called Star Wars. The Force Awakens completely derailed the narrative from Episode 6 and spends little time explaining it. Episode 7 was too busy trying to be Episode 4 it didn't bother to continue the story, or properly develop the story of the Sequel Trilogy. This meant Episode 8 had to pick up the slack for 7 and probably get the narrative back on track possibly retconning a lot of seven. Instead 8 doesn't do any of that. It derails the story arc for the characters introduced in TFA. Manages to commit to some of the premises of TFA like with Luke Skywalker while not at all explaining the setting. It's too busy trying to deconstruct Star Wars instead of continuing the story. This means that all the necessary world building, character development, the overarching story for the Trilogy is left to Episode 9 and it's too much for one movie and even then they don't even attempt to explain the setting. The Sequel Trilogy is incongruous with the prior two and each movie in the Sequel Trilogy is incongruous with each other. It's just a huge mess.
I. Love. You. Seriously.. You are great to listen to. What happened with Star-Wars is a well known problem but your delivery and critical thinking add color to these observations and add details where there was none. I was nodding during the whole episode, approving with your every point while being offered a surprise chuckle here and there. Well crafted. Keep up the fantastic work!
Yes, thank you for this! Because not only has there been too many Star Wars lately, there's also the wild directions they've been going in, as well as how they can't keep a straight timeline TLDR, Star Wars is a burning dumpster fire that should at least go on hiatus so they can get their shit together. Or end forever. I'm fine with both
The Rise of Skywalker feels like it was edited in about a week. It has some of the worst pacing I've seen in a big-budget action film. Not sure who to blame here aside from the top brass.
Apparently he made a 3 hour version. They said it was too long. He edited it down to 2:40. Still too long. Without his permission they edited it down to it's current length creating bad pacing and incomplete storylines, pissing off jj in the process.
When one of the great modern visionaries, Ridley Scott admits to listening to fan chatter, then you know the entire industry has lost its bottle! I have to say though, in fairness, after watching a comprehensive making of TLJ documentary on you tube, I have a new found respect for all the cast and crew. The performers gave it their all and Abhrams, a guy I had little love for, displays so much energy and enthusiasm on set, it's hard not to like him. The film they all made wasn't great, but no one went into the production looking to make a bad movie. However (you knew there was one coming!), one face that crops up far too often in the doc is that of Kathleen Kennedy. She is on screen more than the likes of Daisy Ridley who is in the darn film! There's your answer right there. The suits should stay behind their desks and let the creatives get on with it! Every now and then, sure, they have to stick their heads out to let everyone know they are spending too much time and money on the project, but other than that, know your place!! She's not the first producer to seek fame mind you. Robert Evans was as famous as his films, but at least he gave good movies the go ahead!
First of all, welcome back! It's great to see a Georg Rockall-Schmidt video again. Looks like you made a bunch of videos over the holidays, so now I'm going to watch all of them. Very cool. This is a subject that's being debated all over, and there seems to be dozens of different opinions. Here's my take on what happened: - Abrams makes _The Force Awakens._ He receives guidance from on high (above Kathleen Kennedy's level) to make it as much like _A New Hope_ as possible. It's a hit. - Because the first one did so well, Kennedy has more latitude to make _The Last Jedi._ Her pattern is to hire unconventional directors, let them work for months, and then replace them at the last moment in favor of someone more conventional. (Possibly because of orders from on high.) This time she has the pull to let her favorite Rian Johnson work to completion. The result is hated by most of the dedicated fanbase. - The higher-ups (Iger, et al) see the response to TLJ and pull back the reigns for _The Rise of Skywalker._ Abrams has to work under very close supervision, and is still forced to reshoot most of the movie at the last minute. The resulting film is a mishmash of his original ideas and studio interference. Someone above Abrams gets the final edit and creates the pacing problems. To sum up, I think there's two interrelated problems afflicting the Disney Star Wars movies (all of 'em including the stand-alones): 1. Kennedy doesn't have a creative vision. Her instinct is to hire directors that do have creative visions and let them work. This would be fine if she was making art-house films, but she's in charge of a huge corporate franchise. Over and over she picks a team and lets them work, then gets countermanded by higher-ups at Disney, is forced to fire her favorites and start again at the last minute with a more conventional team. The one film they let her produce unhindered is _The Last Jedi._ The lack of an overall plan for the trilogy comes from her. 2. Iger and the higher-ups at Disney have been interfering in the creative process at Lucasfilm from the very beginning. They don't give Lucasfilm the same independence that Marvel gets. And over and over their interference has forced the new trilogy to follow the most conventional path. George Lucas had a plan for these three movies, and he sold his story outlines to Disney as part of the orginal deal. Disney rejected those outlines and every offer of advice Lucas has made since, because they don't want movies that advance the story. They want movies that _retell_ the original story over and over.
The reason for making these movies was corrupt from the beginning. The foundation of good art is exploration of the unknown. All these movies seek to do reiterate other people's ideas. Which is practically the antithesis of what the original films were doing and a big reason for their lasting appeal.
While I don't think it applies here specifically I'll play advovatus diaboli anyway. Art is created in a context. The author has knowledge; the author assumes the audience has some knowledge. Sometimes there exist different interpretations of old music. When it is played as written it will appear rather plain, dull perhaps. Often, however, certain things were not written down. "Of course the conductor knows to add this at the end." As such a 'refresh' work is a good idea once the knowledge is generally lost. The same goes for books, which may become hard to understand due to general language changes and might lose some punch because specific words (such as "rascal" common to early American literature) changed in their meaning. What I described thus far were updated works. Those are not what I am here to argue for. Part of a work generally is a message someone wants to send. This message once more relies on the context of the work. A 2010 novel indirectly about the Congress of Vienna will be much different from an 1820 one. Indeed, part of the 1820 novel's context might very well be censorship which is likely not properly understood by the audience anymore. Some works are considered beautiful. Sometimes these works are also considered outdated. Works exist which are liked for introducing the reader to a great world but due to the march of time much of the book will have been lost in terms of meaning. Then, I fully believe, it might make sense to, as opposed to updating the original, create a new work, with a nee context, for a new audience, a work with the same setting within. Star wars did not need a retelling for a new generation.
I didn't think the original films were original. Space operas had been done before, and the story of Luke Skywalker was pretty much just a straight formulaic injection-molding of a standard Hero's Journey. The original three Star Wars movies were really just slightly above-average popcorn flicks, honestly.
Winston Deleon dumb ass, Star Wars 77 literally defined the hero’s journey for a whole new generation. It’s no average flick. Seems you are not very intelligent and these Disney films have dumbed you down, which is their purpose.
How dare you! Burnt out producers carrying on regardless produce stunning artistic results. There was The Hobbit, and that series...the one with D & D...Dungeons & Dragons?
I hope we don't have to wait until Christmas for more videos. I hope the film production Georg is working on is kicking ass, and whatever he's doing I hope Georg comes back to us soon. In the meantime, I've been watching the older content. The Bilgewater series is insane and hilarious. Come back soon Georg!
This was not three films about a story, but rather an IP that has three promotional films. Several billion dollars later and no artists involved want to touch that brand again. It is incredible.
Late stage capitalism ruined Star Wars
@@Tacom4ster Capitalism MADE Star Wars...
@@Dooger414 It sure did. Without capitalism, there would have been no Vietnam war to inspire the events of the franchise.
@@Fuzzycuffsqt You mean WW2? That was the ref used for the dogfighting X wing/Tie Fighter scenes, based on World War 2 propaganda.
One would have quit but she was dead.
"You knew it was gonna be a trilogy. Decide who the antagonist should be, in the last film, before making the first two. It's not hard"
-Quote of the decade
Long ago, I read in some how-to-write book that having a clear start point and end point will go a long way towards making the story come together. This simple step would have helped Disney Star Wars immensely; for The Last Jedi in particular, there was a definite sense that the filmmakers did not feel limited by anything.
Even Zack Snyder understood this, maybe.
I'm guessing they didn't plan the trilogy ahead in order to ensure no plot points are being leaked. Remember the ridiculous secrecy that was made about the first film of the sequel trilogy?
Anyway, bad idea to not plan ahead.
Also counts for the protagonist as well, who do you want them to be at the end of this, you know so that the arc feels more straightforward.
And we are only four days in!
TFA: Trying to be fun
TLJ: Trying to make a statement
ROS: Trying to be all things to all people
Emphasis on "trying".
Whoops, looks like you made a typo. I'll fix that for you:
TFA: trying to sell toys
TLJ: trying to sell toys
ROS: trying to sell toys
Fuuuuuu. This is perfectly stated OP.
TFA was certainly a fun movie, it just made the unforgivable sin of not being completely perfect so the butthurt prequel fanbois could go mining for salt.
Trying to be all things was the same thing BvS tried to do, and we all know how that turned out
No plan, too many cooks, manged by a committee of cooks.
"manged" ! I get it! A Chewbacca joke! HA!
@@guyjperson when a typo becomes a Freudian slip.
More like crooks ....
"Don't you mean mangled? Actually... No wait this is actually better"
Many cooks, and no one acting like head chef.
After all this we need a sequel to Spaceballs.
Rolf Hartmann, the movies sequels are too shitty to be parodied. It’s like kicking a dead horse.
Oh god yes, please yes my god that would be legendary
COMB THE DESERT
Can't. John Candy died, and I don't think anyone wants him replaced.
@@bluehero-96 He was his own best friend.
Star Wars: the search for more toy sales.
Star Wars: The Search for *Soyboy* toy sales...?
except none buys the toys since they pushed the menchildren away and the actual children don't give a shit about star wars
What toys?
Does George Lucas still get money from the toy sales or did he gave that up to Disney?
@@mupty
As far as I know, GL gave Disney everything. But he has $2B in Disney shares, so he will earn money anyway.
Star Wars Things Happen: The Movie.
Star wars: The stop questioning things saga
Star Wars: Let's Just Get This Over With So We Can Go Home
This is what you guys get for shitting on the prequels. Soulless nostalgia.
@@sirmount2636 Thank You!! I tell ya, these guys brought it on themselves. They took the prequel hate Waaaaaaaayy too far and scared off the creator of the franchise. Making it a soulless husk, great job guys!😑
@@jairusjackson4156 ehhhh, still cant say they were good... these weren't better than those... but at least they had story
I love that all the main actors want nothing to do with this IP ever again. Disnep done goofed.
I was surprised Driver signed up in the first place and so I’m not surprised if he never does anything like this again.
@@DSQueenie he got fame and money with this, so now he can choose good projects
they wasted a mostly good cast, and a true once in a lifetime opportunity to reunite the OT cast. Instead they were given little to do in the first place, never having them interact with each other for more than just a couple of minutes, if even and regressing their characters all in an attempt to improperly build up the new cast
It was all such a missed opportunity. The only main cast members career this trilogy won’t negatively impact, will be Adam Driver’s. I predict that Daisy, and John to a lesser extent; won’t show up in anything for a little while.
Bearded Bjorn nah Boyega and Issac seem fine. OI will feature heavily in Villenue’s Dune (which will probably be a critical success and break even) and I can see Boyega becoming a charismatic star-type character actor. He is actually really good.
Daisy Ridley though is a bit of an enigma. While I don’t want to rule out her finding success elsewhere, nothing in the Star Wars films really gave her ample opportunity to inject nuance into her performances. (nor did she apparently look for it, judging from her interviews) If she has a big, artistically satisfying career I suspect it’ll manifest in tv.
Kathleen Kennedy: _There’s no source material. We don’t have comic books. We don’t have 800-page novels. We don’t have anything other than passionate storytellers who get together and talk about what the next iteration might be_
Star Wars Expanded Universe: _am I a joke to you?_
Yes, as they should be
@@Hazztech Better than the sputum Disney coughed up.
Carlton, Interesting that you would mention the Expanded Universe. It appears that many of the Disney Star Wars movies have been inspired by various storylines and plot points in the Expanded Universe. Among them...
Kylo Ren was inspired by Darth Caedius.
There was a children's book about a boy who claimed to be the grandson of Emperor Palpatine.
The Force Connection between Rey and Kylo Ren seems to be similar to the connection between Jacen and Jaina Organa Solo.
The Solo movie was inspired by the Han Solo novels.
There was a blind monk in Rogue One that was implied to have latent Force sensitivity. This was similar to Kir Kanos, an Imperial Royal Guard.
The Rise of Skywalker was the first film to feature a Holocron.
Sith Lords in the Expanded Universe could transfer their souls to a new body.
Ya…..what a joke
JJ Abrams has to be the most overrated director of the modern era. I've literally not enjoyed one of his films, they are all glossy and overblown with no substance. I'd take a tacky John Carpenter movie with 5% of the budget any day of the week.
Agreed.
sooooooo true, ive known this since i rewatched lost. it kills me there are great directors with no budget while this fcuk is fcuking around billions of dollars
The only one i like is mission impossible iii
The force awakens was a very good movie. A lot of things were set up that had interesting possibilities. But none of them got paid off. The last Jedi was a mess. Disney and Kathleen Kennedy allowed Johnson to make anything he wanted and things didn’t go well.
Him and Hack Snyder have done so much fucking damage to the movie industry, how do they keep getting work?
Funny that you mentioned Lord of the Rings because I had just been thinking about a comparison. Though this is hardly to insinuate that the stories or authors mentioned could be properly equated to their Star Wars counterparts.
Imagine if after publishing Fellowship of the Ring Tolkien's publisher got C.S. Lewis to write the Two Towers. In it Saruman tries tempting Aragorn to evil by telling him his lineage was a lie and he was born to simple farmers from Arnor. Saruman fails but instead kills off Sauron, takes over the armies of Mordor and nearly wipes out Gondor, leaving Frodo's quest null and void. Then Tolkien hastily writes a version of Return of the King where he introduces Morgoth as the new main villain. He quickly shunts aside Saruman and threatens Middle Earth with an army of Balrogs who can't yet escape from his fortress in Angband for ill-defined reasons. Morgoth tells Aragorn that he is his own creation and that he will use him to regain his power. Aragorn fights Morgoth with the help of Saruman as an inexplicably large army of the free people assault Angband. Aragorn then defeats Morgoth after Gandalf tells Aragorn all the Valar live in him. All the while Frodo is relegated to a sidekick and Saruman's army is never mentioned again.
Also Tom Bombadil gives Saruman his ring of power which he apparently forgot to do earlier and Merry and Pippin get new wacky hobbit friends Beebee and Deeyo.
That is a really good analogy and sounds horrible. Oh god why did you put these ideas on my head.
Still sounds like a better and more coherent plot than this trilogy.
1st Movie: Why The Ring Matters
2nd Movie: Why The Ring Doesn't Matter
3rd Movie: Remember Smaug!?!?
@@ieuanhunt552 Thank you. And I'm sorry. Though the ironic thing is I'm not sure what I described was even as much of a whiplash as Rise of Skywalker. In Tolkein's books Morgoth was prophesied to return, and he was referenced in Fellowship, so it is honestly less of an ass-pull.
@@vanillajack5925 Smaug! That would have been stupider. Well done.
The narrative to this "trilogy" was like a TV-show: Let's make a first season, and see where we go from there if people like it.
Although the recent TV show, The Mandalorian, was far, far superior!
That's pretty much J. J. Abrams's whole approach. It became very clear by the end of Lost that he'd started with absolutely no idea where he was going. He was making it up as he went along and tailoring his show in accordance with fan reaction, and he brought that same rot to the Star Wars franchise. Kennedy and the other Disney management didn't care about Star Wars, didn't like it, didn't understand it. They just wanted to hire in somebody to make it so the nerds would buy it and they could rake in the gold. So they left their entire fledgling franchise in the hands of a fundamentally - critically - flawed filmmaker. And here we are: Star Wars is a joke.
I think the main narrative was really "how much money can we milk out of this thing?" they obviously don't give a crap about its cult status or how beloved it is by millions of people, they think that if they just keep shitting out quickly made, badly thought out movies with star wars "stuff" in it, they can make money forever. there is no love, inspiration or creativity in this current trilogy... just cold, heartless corporate money grabbing
@@sqwalnoc well said 👏🏻💯
@@blaubeer8039 Difference is, when George made the first one, there was no plan for a trilogy, so A New Hope was a stand alone movie with a beginning, middle, and an end.
Disney and JJ on the other hand, was producing a trilogy, and The Force Awakens was open ended.
The bear man got a medal the end.
*the stand-in for the indian friend of the cowboy who is the group muscle
@@fucktardickis big chef running bear.
Stfu, max
I was hoping Rey got it on with Chewie #Reybacca
@@jackburton1455 he made an sad when princes Leia died... Not the 1st time. Like.. in the film world.
when a creative industry tries harder to sell a product than tell a story
Remember that they said they don't owe the fans anything and we need to STFU and consume whatever they seem us worthy to have. 🙄🙄🙄
Anything Disney is hardly creative. It's a money making corporate machine. It they happen to produce something creative it's most likely some small bit more independent studio appendix etc. that has a bit more autonomy before they notice and consume it.
That was the problem with Disney SW. It was an committee effort, not creative one. It had almost nothing original in it. It had to fill certain tick boxes, have this that and the other to please different groups.
"when a creative industry tries harder to sell an ideology than tell a story"
I fixed it for you.
@@seybertooth9282 Syber had it right to begin with. If you think that 'ideology' (unless you mean capitalism) is what made the new Star Wars films bad then you've got a terminally simplistic and myopic view of media.
disney and creative in one sentnce my my you sir are a dare devil
since disney hasent ever made anything origional ever
all they ever did was take from the public domain and buy other studio's who did have talent
only to consume them into their " empire of joy" and put them to work rehashing old tales from the public domain
“There's no source material. We don't have comic books. We don't have 800-page novels. We don't have anything other than passionate storytellers who get together and talk about what the next iteration might be.”
- Kathleen Kennedy
It was always a bad sign when disney ignored decades of books. Timothy Zahn's Heir to the Empire continues the story after ep 6 and was released in 1991..
And yet, because it wasn't an adaptation of a specific EU story, it was a bright new future story. They actually were free to do anything.
The prelogy had pressure : it HAD TO follow some guidelines to give answers to specific questions, mostly "how did the Republic fall" and "how Anakin became Vader". It wasn't perfect, but it was mostly good.
The sequelogy was free to tell any story, to make its own canon. Sky was the limit, all they had to do was to not contradict the 6 previous movies.
It was supposed to be an easier story to tell. Yet, we have this result : the most disliked Star Wars trilogy.
And I don't explain it.
Sums up her idiocy wrt her involvement with SW. This should be on her gravestone.
I almost wonder if Disney's decision to decannonize ALL EU content at once was due to lack of desire to research outside the main line movies/laziness. Had they not decannonized it all, or even if they'd stop freaking cherry picking individual things like Thrawn, they would have had much more to work with. I would be inclined to commend them had they done it to tred their own path, but this movie proves that isn't the case. Nothing but retreads and poorly borrowed ideas incorrectly realized and not at all explained. To many things in this movie they expect to be accepted just because "Star Wars" when they themselves show such lack of understanding or respect for the source material they take ideas from.
And yet they tell storylines aping the Jedi Prince and Dark Empire, easily the laziest and among the dumbest EU storylines.
As a massive Starwars fan, I'm really looking forward to Dune
Corporate exec: "The whole Muad D'ib thing is testing a little islamic. So we've been looking at this Feyd-Rautha character. How about if he's really conflicted but actually not evil, so he ends up stopping the Jihad AND gets Princess Irulan? "
Yup, in Denis Villeneuve I trust. Haven't seen a single bad film from the man.
I don't dislike Villeneuve, but he ain't all that. It will look well and hold together well, but it'll be light on depth, just like his other movies. He always strikes me as a man who has something interesting to say, but hasn't learned enough words to express himself yet. I don't see that changing for his next project.
2049 was a decent film. Although if the new Dune film flops, the woke people will be able to blame Islamophobia.
you know they will fuck it up.
Kathy Kennedy was quoting Uncle Ben, not Yoda.
Yeah, how do you get the entire franchise wrong
One that your arm of Disney isn't even involved with
Goes to show just how clueless she was about her own company's IP. She had no business running LucasFilm.
@TechnicalTortuga George Lucas's willingness to help makes it all the more tragic. What they have done to his creation. The entire process, especially him stating he felt betrayed by Disney, feels like a proud parent mistakenly giving their child to an exploitative monster under the pretense the child would be well taken care of. Then instead they are chained up in a shed in the backyard and forced into sweatshop labor. "Hey, I can help you make this better... They just need to be able to develop and take risks... They need to live...", "Psh, nah, I can keep an eye on them this way and guarantee my profits, screw the quality and creativity."
The rice guy?
Kathleen Kennedy should not be quoting anything from the franchise she destroyed. I mean she should not even be mis-quoting it.
"Kathleen Kennedy and JJ Abrams aren't stupid."
Perhaps not, but the ability to wheedle your way to the top in Hollywood doesn't necessarily translate to an ability to create a satisfying story.
Kennedy has been in the top of Hollywood for decades. She earned her spot.
Abrams, on the other hand, got where he is thanks to nepotism.
@@QwertyCaesar Kennedy had Speilberg and Lucas propping her up. Witness what happens when she's given charge and free rein.
(Did you hear the rumour that she's been banned from the set of The Mandalorian? I'd say she earned _that_ spot.)
Hiring writers based on their genitals so you can score woke-points in interviews does not translate to a satisfying story.
QFT.
@@QwertyCaesar Kathleen was a paper pusher for Amblin. That doesn't make her creative or an artist.
"As Yoda would say, there's great responsibility... that goes with doing this and I think we all take that seriously so..." - Kathleen Kennedy
Uh, I think she was referring to this quote:
"With great power comes great responsibility." - Ben Parker, Spider-man's uncle.
Listening to these corporate robots speak is exhausting, everything is just a facade.
They can't wait to get in their private jet and enjoy the opulant care free life. Ah..
Politician corporate exec types are the opposite of nerd dreamers.
You mean R2 D2, C3PO and whatever the hell all the other robots are called?
Geordi La Forge - You have no videos & I suspect you have not achieved much.
There is nothing 'care free' about a douche executive's life. They work very hard, it is just that the vast majority of their work is tactical, nauseatingly political, and often oriented around networking in an attempt to maintain their power in an environment where many people are gunning for their position.
The nature of their work requires them to address many 'of the moment' issues, and so being expedient is always their reality, and this rewards and requires the skills of manipulation, along with placating and schmoozing others. What the job of an executive actually consists of leaves them woefully unprepared to address issues of vision and strategy.
Executives have long long days, often where they must sit through numerous stultifying meetings during which they often adumbrate pseudo-profound platitudes in addition to actual guidance and direction. The perks they have are the reward for being 'on duty' 24/7 and for having to maintain a corporate and synthetic personality.
@@Menstral I'm positive cocaine became popular among executives (at least according to the stereotype) during the 80's simply to keep up with the lifestyle.
Abrams has never made a movie I wanted to watch twice...
Joseph Vice he really isn’t a good writer and a mediocre director at best. Worst possible choice for directing any Star Wars movie
He's the greasy, salty MSG riddled burger that seemed like a good idea until 10 minutes after eating it.. of the entire filmmaking menu
I thought Overlord was a pretty good film.
I’d watch it again.👍
@@Caesar_Himself Good analogy, I like it! 👍🍔☹🤢🤮
@@BillMcGirr He didn't write or direct it
It’s amazing they didn’t bother to plan out the trilogy and just made it up as they went along. Everyone seems to assume nerds are the most brain dead, saddest people who will spend their last dollar on mindless entertainment as long as it has a label on it and they were only half wrong.
What you call "nerds" are the people most susceptible to marketing, the people who yield the maximum profit per marketing dollar spent. This is why it's not altogether bad news when the economy is suffering, it causes this group to shrink in size as well as spending power. However, for some reason there are large parts of the entertainment industry which are so committed to this strategy that they continue pursuing it even when it doesn't work.
@@handsomebrick And where exactly would you see these marketing campaigns? Most tech-savy people use an add-blocker and don't watch TV.
On my letterbox is a sticker with "please only mail with an address on it" and most of my nerdy friends do the same.
@@benjaminmeusburger4254 on places like reddit or social media. Or even right here on UA-cam. You would be surprised how many people are susceptible to ads without even noticing they are being advertised to(or rather how much it actually affects them).
@@CheekyCheeky Don't forget viral marketing.
@@CheekyCheeky I guess our understanding of Nerds is different then :-)
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There was an excercise I did in an english class in high school where one person would write a line to a story and the next person would add the next line. Needless to say the narrative went off the rails pretty quickly as each person had their own idea about what they wanted to do with the story.
Sorry that would have been a better story.
5:44 "As Yoda would say... With great power, comes great responsibility." - Kathleen Kennedy
yoda would never say that
he'd say
Great power with great responsibility comes
I thought Uncle Ben said that....
''It's just been revoked'' -Alexander the great at the battle of Gaugamela 331 BC
@@catnium
Great responsibility with great power comes.
Kathleen Kennedy clearly was quoting a Spider-man mentor rather than a Star Wars mentor.
5:44 this person misquoted Uncle Ben as Yoda, what did anyone expect?
“I certainly didn’t think back when I heard Disney were making more [Star Wars], that it would all end so _anemically”_ -Georg
🥶
Jedi Bunny Damn that’s cold
I did. When they decanonized the EU, it became clear they had no desire to do even basic homework for Star Wars. The end result is a trilogy that makes the original trilogy pointless and gives us a Disney Princess that has uspered all the powers, skills and even family names of the original cast.
He’s as cooold as ice...
♫ he's willing to sacrifice our love... ♫
@@Edax_Royeaux Honestly, when they showed Millenium Falcon in the trailers I knew the films were going to suck. Instead of taking the story into a new and interesting direction, they just threw in things the fans already knew in order to gain nostalgia points. Seeing old Harrison Ford still flying around with Chewbacca felt like a fucking joke.
It didn't dare enough.
I’m happy we all can see how Disney as a collective aren’t artists they’re panderers. They never set out to tell a story for the story’s sake; they wanted to pander to whomever would give them money. People can feel these things. This is a great catalyst for some self reflection in my mind.
8:40 "Disney should have seen how fatigued their employees were"
*Mickey Mouse walks out and beats the shit out of his employees after they didn't have his money.
Star Wars: _The Merchandise Returns_ ... from the wholesalers... having failed to sell.
Badoom tish.
@generic generic R2 D2 would make a better sex toy. After all s/he looks like one already.
Somewhere, the dude who played Jar Jar is chuckling.
Artistically, it seems after Michael Eisner left and Bob Iger took over, the company went downhill. Fast.
But Disney makes lots of money!
Eisner and Iger are two complete opposites.
Eisner lost a lot of money for the company by investing into wacky and strange ideas. While his ideas were definitely unique and kinda cool in hindsight (like the Disney arcades or the adult Disney themed nightclubs on pleasure island) they were not money makers
After Eisner kinda effed up, the shareholders and investors picked someone who could earn their money, and that’s what Bob Iger does. Practically everything Disney does now is safe, corporate, and earns a lot of money. It’s made them one of the biggest corporations in the world, but it costed them their soul
Eisner was a flawed ceo, and he was not very smart, but at least he tried goddamnit. I will take a million different insane Disney themed adult nightclubs over another shitty Star Wars movie or a live action remake
@@cherrycola1144 No argument there, Bob Iger is a very good businessman.
Eisner (and Katzenberg) were the guys behind the Disney Renaissance which meant not closing the then derelict 2D animation section of Disney, and then Eisner greenlit the direct-to-video sequels as well; Iger is the guy behind the live action remakes. Eisner and Katzenberg were daring, open to sperimentation for new IPs and manipulation of the existing ones in different ways in a high risk way that could potentially be a disaster or a miracle, while Iger is supersafe and prefers taking existent IPs, and companies, and not doing much with them, risking very low and with certain monetary gain, at the expense of Disney being you know, /good/.
Well, I guess it's time to start watching grown up movie franchises. I'll start with Naughty Nurses 1 through 9. I'll let you know how it goes.
Highly Recommended ✋🤚
SPOILER:
People are having sex in this series
Back Door Sluts 9 is the better franchise closer
By the end of the series, I was shaking my fist.
Edward Penis Hands is worth a watch, I hear.
Star Wars is like a class-hamster lying in a coma - while you can't be sure who should get most of the blame (Abrams? Johnson? Kennedy? Iger? Horn? ...) you can assume everyone took at least a little part in it.
That analogy though... Gold
1:29 lmao Anthony Daniels and his melodramatic C3PO masking. I love 3PO and Daniels was amazing at his performance lol but dear lord it's as if every time he puts on the mask, all the actors who died in the making of their craft come back and speak to him like he's about to save the world "Rise, Anthony" "1,000 Heath Ledgers live in you now"
And a small Kenny Baker voice : "Dick!"
Mr. Daniels is a very down to earth and humble, self styled god.
The MCU had a plan, so it's not a foreign concept to Disney. I don't understand what they were thinking with this one
They have put morons in charge. This is the only possible result
Marvel planned 20 movies....
Lucasfilm couldn’t do 3...lol
But there's a limit to how much Marvel planned. You can see that in things like Tony Stark just going back to being Iron Man after his trilogy was capped off with the symbolic suit-destruction and the whole loss of Age of Ultron's driving point (it's about Tony's hubris right up until his hubris saves the day with a better super-robot), not to mention Thor's sudden gear-change between movies. Within the grand plan, there's a fair bit of organic storytelling going on.
If anything, the best Marvel stuff demonstrates the kind of constructive creativity that I think drove TLJ than everything following a rigid plan.
The problem was that they did have a plan. It's just that Rian didn't stick to the plan with The Last Jedi, and Leia was going to have a much bigger role, while Han Solo and Luke would be killed off. Ironically, Carrie Fischer died and the other actors lived, which really screwed things up.
@@qty1315 Johnson's said that he asked what plans they had and was told there wasn't one, and no one in the Story Group has ever contradicted that. Abrams seems to have had a plan and told a couple of people but not him.
Ironically, Marvel shows that you can deviate from the plan in ways like... err, changing the main villain's entire motivation and the audience will mostly buy it. They needed to roll with the punch of losing Carrie Fisher, just like Nolan did when Heath Ledger died.
The Force Awakens was too safe, The Last Jedi was too divisive, after both extremes a third swing was doomed to fall flat. Especially when they're just making it up as they go.
The force awakens was a rehash of a new hope.
The last Jedi destroyed all the interesting plot threads everybody wa a hyped for. (Why did Luke leave, who is smoke)
Rise of sky walker is whatever the fuck that film is
@@wifine1951 Who is Smoke? I don't know. Maybe he's related to Snoke?
@@wifine1951 who gives a fuck about reys parents
Who cares about snoke
Who cares about luke RUNNING AWAY
Their focus was making intentional bait to drip feed over the 3 movies than actually creating a natural way to introduce those plotlines
No one gave a shit about lukes parents or who darth was under the mask. Because the story at hand was more interesting than tiny details that wouldnt be explained till the end
@@whodis715 your statements are subjective and for most people false. all of these questions (who is snoke, why did Luke run away) are extremely important because we are walking into a starwars galaxy we have not been to in 30 years and the audience needed to have an explanation for how this galaxy is different to the one we left after Endor.
The sequel trilogy fundamentally failed in world building, and it fundamentally failed in doing anything new or creative.
Optillian he’s a secret character in Mortal Kombat
I tapped out after TFA.
Tapped out from pop culture after TLJ. Took up woodworking. I'm genuinely at peace. I have very little in common with our cultural gatekeepers. There's nothing in their outlook on life that nourishes or informs me.
Me too. As soon as I realized they just brought back the Empire as the villains again it was clear they had no ideas.
A poorly written fan fiction *rehash* of a New Hope.
Same here. It didn't leave me wanting more.
Same here.
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I can’t eat second breakfast; it goes straight to my legol-ass.
"You'll pay for your lack of vision." - Palpatine
“Every one of these movies is a particularly hard nut to crack. There’s no source material. We don’t have comic books. We don’t have 800-page novels. We don’t have anything other than passionate storytellers who get together and talk about what the next iteration might be.”
- Kathleen Kennedy
Me, staring at Star Wars: the expanded universe
Most of it is bad if we're being honest. That said if they just hire creators who are also Star Wars fans they'll reincorporate the best bits of the EU (already have with Thrawn and TOR) and if there's something they're fond of but a bit shite they'll try that idea again but it'll be way better than the original.
Let's not forget George Lucas himself gave them a god damn story outline for the Sequel Trilogy. They had so much to work with and they decided not to use a god damn bit of it.
@@QwertyCaesar This is what is so stupid. It's pretty obvious with 7 and 9 they were creatively bankrupt(still trying to wrap my head around 8). If they were going to be so lazy they could have atleast just adapted the EU. It has its fans. People are familiar with it. They didn't have to follow it religiously. They could have changed things. Keep the good, cut out the bad. Reconfigure to make it work for a movie. The EU atleast made sense as a Sequel even if it had it's low points.
That quote is one of the most amazing things I've ever heard from the movie industry. Even if they didn't like most of the EU it is still vast and there is plenty of great ideas in it. I honestly can't think of another story franchise with more material to pick from. It's like Jeff Bezos claiming he didn't have enough money to open up a corner shop.
You sound like Kurtzman on Star Trek, since JJ Abrams stuck his fingers in it. In the end: even lifeless crap, without imagination, with cardboard characters and scenarios that break as soon as you think about their logic.
Rise of Skywalker: When Star Wars became Spaceballs
Spaceballs had more of a plot.
Spaceballs was a much better movie than the last 6 Star Wars films.
I resent that!!! Spaceballs had better humor, better storytelling and Dark Helmet was a much more impressive villain than Kylo or Palpazombie.
lol - it's f3m Star wars. Sh*t on the fan base.
Yeah, where's that bear in the escape pod?
Ep. 7: Ruin Han & Ep. 6
Ep. 8: Ruin Luke & Ep. 7
Ep. 9: Ruin Anakin & Ep. 8
It's like poetry.
It rhymes.
I don't think TLJ ruined Luke at all, his change is coherent. If anything I didn't want him to retaliate, Jedi is an obsolete religion and, in fact, the Jedi that are the most interesting are those who don't follow it blindly (Qui-Gon, Mace Windu, Ahsoka...)
@@Linkale_ His change is not in any way coherent. He decides, on a whim, to murder his nephew and then stops too late? That is extremely hamfisted and forced writing just to do a quick change of an established character.
It _could_ have been done legitimately. Severe mental illness would have been one route. Otherwise, it would require a detailed and story of the tragic downfall of a hopeful and compassionate and committed character... But that would have taken effort and actual skill.
Get a few more years on you and see a few more films and it will be as blinding as daylight how badly that film was structured and written, and how much possible actual deconstruction of SW tropes could have been realized, but weren't.
@@SolarScion but it's not true that he decided to murder Kylo, is was a quick idea that went as quickly as it came. Obviously the movie fails for presenting it like "sometimes happens, doesn't it?" which is a bit clumsy, but well, it's Star Wars, it has always been clumsy. With a couple of minutes more of footage it could have been argued that Luke was going through a mental illness at the time, that maybe he put all his hopes and efforts to that cause an he was seeing it all crushing. Maybe we'll see that on a EU thing in a near future. But I don't think it's completely unrealistic for the character of Luke
Haven't seen anywhere the re-typed version of a starting crawl, so here it is:
"STAR WARS
Episode IX
EXECUTIVE LEADERSHIP FAILURE
The WDC reigns, but cracks have formed upon its newly consolidated EMPIRE!
Having been spurred by contradictory messages, TICKET SALES are down. As the trilogy comes to a close, brave EXECUTIVES must race to safety before the unforgiving lord Jar-Jar also finds out that merchandise revenues have collapsed in the third quarter!
But hope is not all lost! It will probably still be popular for years, and in a little while another trilogy can be released and be free from any HIGH EXPECTATIONS. You could do a whole film on ENDOR, those little bear things would sell really well if you get them in a videogame, and there could be more robots. OR the bears could be robots, and they're the ones that make lightsabers and the head one is YODA's son! AND you could have RAY with those sidebuns like LEIA had, because people like things like that. LANDO's daughter could marry R2D2's brother - no wait, what if R2D2 has been possessed by the SITH SPIRIT of EMPEROR PALPATINE..."
French horn at 0.25 is terrifying.
Also, they did make the ewoks movies - I've seen it way, way back and for the longest time thought that it was some sort of weird dream that I had. The best use of these little buggers in the game that I've seen is the use of them as the suicide troops by space pirates in the Empire at War addon.
You are the true hero.
I, too, watched and paused it at 0.25x and the horn scared the heck out of me.
You are the hero this galaxy deserves!
God I'm not even a huge star wars fan and I just want those three movies retcon
Disney star wars: What happen when you have no plan, film all the ideas that popped in to your head and then try to write the story in the edit at the last minute.
This happened to some extent in RotJ as well, as they brainstormed every idea how the Ewoks could destory AT-ST's and then filmed them. Rather than just let Chewie and the other 2 hijack the one and let them destroy the others.
Don't ask questions, consume product, get excited for next product.
Very cool.
I miss The Nerd Crew.
All boils down to greediness, always wanting more and more money and not putting any or very little effort.
You can be greedy, but being totally creatively bankrupt is the real sin.
These movies cost billions to make. That's hardly low effort.
@@wolfson109 The amount of effort it takes to spend money is minimal. Have you ever seen the budget to an Adam Sandler movie like Jack and Jill? Just because it cost a ton of money due to corruption doesn't mean there was any real effort involved.
No ....i think they wanted to jump on the Woke train.....not realising it left months ago. Thats disney execs for ya.
Hence why the next 20 films from Disney will be nothing but remakes of their classic films. I mean, why take any type of risk in making something new and original when you can just repackage an IP that people have nostalgia for and sell it with little to no real effort put in?
Disney is a cancer
I walked out after the first hour - sure they got my money and my ticket sale, however they are not going to get my soul too.
5:43 “As Yoda would say....”
No......that’s Uncle Ben. Yoda is the green one, lady! No wonder these movies are sub par lol
"Yippee-ki-ay!" as Han Solo would say.
"Hasta la vista" General Grievous
“Fly, you fools!” - Obi Wan
“Get away from her, you bitch!”
-Private Hudson
Quote Admiral Akbar , "say hewwo to my liddle fwiend!"
I love how this guy doesn't rely on jump cuts and begging for subscriptions. He just honestly uses his knowledge to call out or praise the movie makers. He is genuinely funny and witty without pomp. George RS is absolutely my favourite youtuber this month. Thanks G!
Thanks for making these free videos, it's not going unnoticed! Thanks to all you creators that continue to create with hardly any incentive!
"The conclusion to the Skywalker saga will consist of all the Skywalkers being dead, and a Palpatine stealing their name and land. Fans will LOVE it!"
Excellent observation. You're absolutely right about the higher ups in Disney- they should had taken Control of the situation after The Last Jedi; hell, that should had happened after Solo tanked in the Box Office!
I'm pretty sure this newest movie IS Disney higher-ups taking control after The Last Jedi. That one tiny segment of the fandom complained because it was too new so they steered right back into regurgitated nostalgia with TROS. That is the true "choking" of this franchise: sucking on it's own regurgitated Original Trilogy nostalgia shit because middle aged virgins don't want it to grow beyond the Original Trilogy. This franchise is the Ouroborous, sucking on its own asshole. A one person human centipede.
@@charliefoxtrot3980 You're spitting some bullshit, my friend. You're ignoring the fact that TLJ shat on what JJ the mystery box man set up in TFA, and then RoS shat on what TLJ set up because of JJ wanting his vision (whatever the hell that was) back but having it irredeemably broken by the nonsense TLJ pulled while Disney CEOs wanted it to appeal to everyone from TFA to TLJ fans.
You're taking the fallout from Rian Johnson fucking up the middle act of a trilogy which turns the final act into a mess, and blaming it on this imagined idea you have of people who dislike TLJ magically influencing corporate interests to bow to them.
Fans don't influence corporate decisions that much, except through money. Let alone if the "tiny segment" bit was true. If they changed shit specifically due to fans, it's because they aren't making enough money (or just less than before), which then proves it's not a small amount that dislike what TLJ did. Just look at the box office numbers between TFA and TLJ.
Pretending that middle aged virgins don't want things to grow beyond the Original Trilogy ignores the smashing success of The Mandalorian, which is not only different from anything that's come before for Star Wars but goes beyond the OT.
where were they supposed to go at the end of the second movie? they really wrote themselves into a corner there.
@@charliefoxtrot3980 if the old fans wanted the same old same old, how come the always call the DT lazy rehashes? Ive never heard anyone ever say they wanted a reboot. I think you are just looking for an excuse to call folk names like middle aged virgins. Just a guess.
Yeah, you really wonder what Kathleen got on the bean-counters. Gotta be something juicy.
Disney really made a huge mess out if this franchise.
Alpha Jay 3.0 no bigger a mess than George made with the prequels. Hell out of 11 SW films only 2 were ever any good
@@briancates3576 Rogue One was not bad. Not without its problems, but the first SW film I saw in ages which was respectable.
I think things were going downhill in Return of the Jedi. There are some good aspects in ROTJ, but then there are the fucking teddy bears who live in treehouses. Lucas has always had a schmaltzy tendency, which has been Spielberg's downfall too.
@@briancates3576 False. Jedi has a few problems but it's a good film. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
JohnnyZenith fair enough...3 out of 11
The Mandalorian proves that these movies just had 0 passion or creativity put in it. The new trilogy is defined by cynicism, meanwhile I can feel that the creators of the Mandalorian actually had fun with the show and tried stretching creative muscles for a short tv series, not a mainline entry.
You also get the feeling that the people behind the Mandalorian actually LIKES star wars.
@Nice Try A suck with no malice, but with love, is an acceptable suck.
I just dont care anymore. They killed Star Wars for me. I will never watch any of their crap or buy anything Disney. If thats not enough Star Trek was assassinated too. Both were progressive, positive, forward looking and optimistic. Now there is only mediocrity, hate, stupidity and pitting people against each other. This customer will never buy any of their products. I would have loved to go to see Star Wars with my kids but now it will never happen. I wont let these haters poison their minds. Btw - The Force is universal, it is in all of us and binds us all and pervades us all. Whatever haters say wont change that.
@@KhamusSolo some would say that a suck with love are the best sucks lol
@@carbonara2144 Remember the good old days when Star Wars and Star Trek fans would argue over which is better? Now they're arguing over which sucks less.
"Star Wars movies every year for a thousand years" hopefully they fell short by about 996 years
The toxic fans did this. They screamed about the prequels so Disney gave them exactly what they wanted - cold nostalgia.
@@sirmount2636 honestly yeah. Everyone's pretending like 'evil' Disney isn't still just a company that follows criticism in an attempt to make corrections that will ultimately get them more money.
You have to give them credit for taking a risk on a movie like TLJ and instead of any kind of encouragement to try new things people literally tried to boycott the whole trilogy and now suddenly we're all upset that ROS was a extremely safe nostalgia bomb.
It's ironic.
@@choochdrews no its not ironic. its a shitshow. "evil" would not apply to Disney they are just stupid and inept. If is spent Billions of dollars on the worlds biggest IP i would spend more effort than none at all developing ideas and plot for movies. They walked into the new moives with no blue print, overarching themes or even a basic idea for the world. World building is important in this kind of universe and Starwars had 40 years of it. So
@@choochdrews
I don't understand why people think TLJ tried new things. My entire problem with the movie is that it's a distillation of the problems Star Wars and big action movies already have. Lack of continuity and dumb villains first and foremost.
TLJ reminded me how dumb the franchise in general had always been.
"Anyway that's all I have for today. Go away now!"
I wonder which one The Drinker hates more, 'Midsomer' or 'Rise of Skywalker'??
@@EverSinceMyExorcism Gotta be Rise. I mean, he had an emotional connection to Star Wars at some point, and saw it get shat on several times this millennium!
"I understood that reference."
Damn we have to have Drinker to get Georg on for a chat now. These two would be great to listen to.
Christian Basehart Charlie Brooker?
Love that they say they're just getting started right as the last nail is driven into the coffin.
"we're just getting started" I think he means they're going to eventually make movies that don't involve any Skywalker stuff, and focus on Disney+ Star Wars content.
That was for the shareholders...
The Sequel Trilogy had major conceptual problems from the very beginning. In an attempt to appeal to Original Trilogy nostalgia, they ironically crafted a story in which the events of that trilogy were ultimately a failure, and thus the entire war had to be fought again. That's a problem.
I always shake my head when people say RoS ruined the OT's ending by bringing Palpatine back. No, TFA ruined the OT's ending by bringing the Empire back, albeit under a different name. The overall story of this trilogy is a disservice to the OT and it surprises me how many fans (even those critical of this trilogy) still don't see that.
Spot on. I walked out of TFA, "So everything luke and the rebellion faught for, was for nothing." Cooked from the very beginning.
Your not wrong they progressed nothing.
@@michaelcooper9554 Like Yoda said "Mine mine mine mine"
The whole idea of palpatine returning and the removal of Anakin’s ghost is just disrespectful and disappointing as a fan of anakin/Vader’s character/arch.
To be fair palps returned in the eu 2
The prequels were disappointing as a fan of Anakin/Vader’s character arch. They still suck in comparison but everyone forgets this?
@@leximusmaximus4593 The prequels at least had a soul. I don't think they are even "bad", just average with a ridiculously large budget.
The real problem of the sequel trilogy was that there's no clear direction.
In the PT, it was about the Rise and Fall of Anakin Skywalker and pretty much Darth Vader's origin story
In the OT, it was about the Rebel alliance taking down the empire and Luke Skywalker redeeming his father and bringing back the Jedi.
The Sequel Trilogy however, it's kinda hard to follow other than a neat Kylo Ren Redemption arc.
As much as I enjoyed the sequel trilogy, it became evident by TROS that both Rian Johnson and JJ Abrams were not on the same page whatsoever.
Hopefully in the new Trilogy coming out in 2022 they can stick with a direction and one person's vision.
I'm not the first person to say this but the thing that separates the first six movies from this mess is that George Lucas had a story that he wanted to tell. The execution of the storytelling in the prequels may have been extremely flawed because he fired anyone that didn't tell him what he wanted to hear, but it was always Lucas's vision from beginning to end. These movies seem like design-by-committee products scientifically engineered to extract specific emotional responses (and cash) from a precise set of demographics. This whole experience has felt less like being told a story and more like being sold a time-share in Florida.
The real problem with the sequel trilogy is Rian Johnson....
In the future it will be called the Reboot Trilogy, because every movie in it tried to reboot the whole franchise.
@William Burns He was aware of the problems of the first draft as much as anyone, that's why other drafts came later.
@William Burns I read somewhere that the prequels were basically made as an advertisement for ILM's services, which makes a lot of sense.
You nailed it. Star wars really needed a plan for the Trilogy from the start, instead they seemed to wing it the whole time.
There was a trilogy plan. Several, in fact. George Lucas has his script, which was tossed. And JJ Abrams had a script, which got tossed when he didnt get to make the 2nd movie. And after that it was pretty much too late.
Yeah, when they said they were going to have a different director for each movie, like the OT, everyone was like, "cool." We didn't realize they also meant each director could do whatever they wanted with the story.
Dir. Ed Wood + lens flares = J.J. Abrams. He screwed up Star Trek and Star Wars, two franchises that PIVOT on a good story. I have very little positive to say about him.
tackyman2011 Amen.
JJ is a great idea man but not any good at finishing ideas. Look at Lost. Great ideas but all for not.
PIVOT!
Someone actually compared Abrams to ed wood. Now, I have seen everything. If you think Abrams is that bad, I shiver what you think a good director is.
The music on your opening crawl...wow. It was hilarious! You timed that perfectly, I was right at fast forwarding when it stopped. Somebody reeeeeeeeeally needs Mel Brooks to make Spaceballs 2...
Each of the sequels seems to be a reaction to the previous star wars film(s). TFA is a reaction to the prequels (felt very much like the original film, basically a copy/paste to rekindle love for the franchise after being burnt by the prequels). TLJ is a reaction to TFA (basically did everything to subvert the expectations of the viewer, nothing was meant to be predictable). Then lastly TRoS was a reaction to TLJ (ignored a lot of things that happened in TLJ and some could say it retconned quite a bit too).
TLJ also wasn't a good film
@@danielpcowen nothing after the original trilogy was good.
@@forasago Agree 1000000% percent, so many people (who don't have the first name Daniel) will try and argue against me on this one too...
6:40
So skilled, professional, and not stupid... Yet seemingly started with no plan with hundreds of millions on the line.
For skilled, professional, not-stupid people, they were amazingly inept, amateurish, and foolish.
I have to say, you are maybe one of two UA-cam movie critics that I absolutely trust in their opinion.
Keep up the amazing work and I hope your 2020 brings you even more success
Who's the other?
@@Cunnysmythe critical drinker
@@frankrizzo7713 Ah, I'm subbed to him too
It s refreshing to see a more clear headed analysis
Star Wars chocked in the same way I chocked that time in highschool I shat myself during a 200m race, abandoned the field, and ran to my home crying, I wasnt a massive failure nor did I disappoint everyone who believed in me, I just "chocked".
chock
@@nathanburnett9529 I remain a failure.
YOU_WILL_LOVE_EACH_OTHER *choked. A chock is a wedge used to stop tires moving
@dark days stop moking him
Don't feel so bad. I shat myself at a war crimes museum once.
I feel that the lack of Hiptang negatively impacted the latest Starwars entry.
Borine...it needs more borine...
I think it is worth remembering that JJ Abrams initially declined working on Star Wars, stating he'd rather be in the audience.
What made him change his mind? Disney simply offered him more money.
He wasn't doing it because he was creatively inspired to do so, or felt he had some story to tell. Nope, he simply wanted that cold hard cash.
Phil Lord and Christopher Miller at least had the balls to see the writing on the wall and step away from what they were seeing.
Absolutely correct she is not the only one to blame.
Illusion RIGHT ON✊
Her background is actually excellent, I don't know what happened there, many of her actions even seem like rookie mistakes which suggests to me that something else is going on.
@@handsomebrick didn't it used to be, though, a three-man team of Steven Spielberg, Kathleen Kennedy, and Frank Marshall? Maybe she can't handle the entire job herself.
The only people to blame are the toxic fans that whined about TLJ because they couldn't handle something new.
Gallus11B did you watch tbe video? Did you understand it? go virtue signal somewhere else.
Can't wait to see what you make of Cats.
An egregiously underrated film. It's the most outstanding horror movie I've ever seen.
@@MaverickChristian LOL!!! 😸
He loves it!
I won't even bother to torrent this... What a sorry end to the whole mess.
I knew it was going to be bad the moment I SAW the REDUNDANT, yet UNNECESSARY caps. SEEMS like they didn't know ANY OTHER WAY to use EMPHASIS.
Really foreshadows the rest of the directions that the writing for the movie takes.
Why do people complain JJ didn’t follow Ryan Johnson’s narrative? There was no narrative path to follow after TLJ. There were no cliffhangers, no plot lines to follow besides “good guys vs bad guys” Ryan Johnson treated TLJ as if it was the final movie in the trilogy, he screwed over whoever it was that would direct TLJ. Even the final scene with the kid feels like the ending of a trilogy and not of the second movie in one.
Which just goes to Georg's point, right? Disney had the ultimate responsibility to make sure it gone done right. Is there any doubt that Bob Iger could have called up Johnson, Kennedy and Abrams said, "get over here and explain to me your collective plan to end this in a satisfying way," that it wouldn't have happened? Disney held the reigns from the get-go and *should have kept their eyes on the prize* -- "just the beginning [of a huge mega-franchise]" and that means they needed a cohesive ending (maybe even a good one?) and agreement among their creatives about what that was going to be.
Georg made a good argument that ultimately Disney didn't plan, didn't give their creative team and leadership the right balance of guidance and freedom, and choked when things seemed to be going wrong creating a self-fulfilling prophecy and leading to the dark side.
Either that OR taking SW to such a unexpected place could be the spark to not be shackled into formulas that came before and try to take the franchise elsewhere story-wise. The Rebellion is in ruins and one of the main characters is the supreme evil leader now, which can only end in redemption or death. HOW is that supposed to feel like the "end of an trilogy" when it is obvious that the opportunity to take the story to a new place is in front of you? And the fact that JJ not only was aware to where Rian was taking the story, but went on record to express that JJ himself liked Rian's script so much that he felt "envious" that he wouldn't be able to direct the movie himself speaks volumes about the "Rian screwed everyone" BS argument. Disney tried to pander to the worst part of the fanbase and created a spineless piece of media that cowardly throws the careers of actors and directors under the bus in order to maintain the their conflict-less family branding.
@@MrAlexandreRocha Or maybe Rian's attempt just wasn't that good. The problem of TLJ is that it doesn't exactly go any direction that much and keeps changing focus so there is not much impact. Film tries to be subversive in some pretty "up yer nose" kind of ways but not really doing anything interesting with it and then it just becomes same old narrative. Rian seems like a guy who can do stuff with his own deck of cards but does not know how to handle deck made by someone else.
ROS was kinda lazy attempt, but TLJ wasn't exactly the most compelling mid point either. ESB was kinda classic narrative and still managed to actually make "subversive" ending with kinda hopeless tone. Trying to subvert something which has already been subverted is not gonna surprise that much.
@@Yurikon3 I don't think TLJ Is a perfect movie or anything, the Canto Bight arc is over long, DJ is an awful character (that only serves to introduce a interesting theme that is not even mentioned in RoS) and minor stuff. But I don't understand why people are so hung up in this "RJ tried to be subversive" when the only thing that is really out of the expected that he does is killing Snoke (that makes Kylo's arc even more complex), the mutiny stuff that serves to push Poe's development forward, and the character development of Luke. My problem with most criticism of TLJ is the people that seem to live in this alternate reality like RJ is this smug asshole mastermind that created this movie with no regard for continuity and no plan only to advance this supposedly vile "liberal" agendas and deliberately ruin a franchise, when artistically and cinematically speaking, the movie is pretty well done, gives development and depth to every main character and has a very clear theme.
@@MrAlexandreRocha most of that depth is pretty shallow. It doesn't matter was it planned or whatever else the supposed motivations were, by themselves lot of ideas were introduced, but not very well developed.
Killing of Snoke is kinda... here and there. For me it does not mean much due Kylo not being that interesting character in the first place. He is still the most interesting of the group, which is not telling much. Poe's arc was pretty shoehorned, since it mostly required pretty forced problem which was pretty easy to solve.
Most of the problems stem from the overall thing that characters just aren't... that interesting, so RJ really wasn't given the best cards to play there.
in 2019
two huge franchises bombed
both due to shitty leadership
sensing a pattern forming
oh and terminator movie was also released i guess
DarkSendo94 two?
@@henryfleischer404 Star Wars and Terminator? Unless he's including small screen franchises.
@@henryfleischer404 game of thrones s8 &
star wars
DarkSendo94
Am I the only person on earth who loved Dark Fate..?
@@lutherburgsvik6849 terminator already died after judgement day tbh
That'll be the Hiptang
I think one of the big problems is that Disney, in an effort to put their stamp on Star Wars, decided to eliminate all of the books that came out after Return of The Jedi and completely change the direction of "their" universe.
Not only that, but fundamentally changing characters that are beloved from the first trilogy into strange caricatures of themselves didn't help things either. Millions of people were invested in those characters for decades. You don't just re-invent those iconic characters. If you wanted characters with these new personalities and traits, invent NEW characters to do it with, don't tear down and rebuild existing characters to suit your new mold...
You know how many books and other bits of expanded universe are out there? You expect someone to read through all that shit?
@2manynegativewaves Calling anyone who doesn't agree with you a "bratty little virgin" isn't going to win you any arguments.
@2manynegativewaves My point is that if they wanted to take a character in a new direction, ok, but they should have included more back story to really explain it. Plopping a character in the middle of a sequel with a completely new personality is a bit jarring for most people, and I don't know of any movie that has done that successfully. (please correct me if you know of a successful example).
Yeah you're so right. Making the franchise up as you go in order to see how long you can milk the franchise is EXACTLY the problem. Happened with lost. Happened with game of thrones. Even happened with the Simpsons. No clear direction.
Disney: "We better discard all this Expanded Universe canon, we can't have all this willy-nilly-seat-pants stuff cluttering up the place while we write our carefully crafted beautiful replacement"
...
OOPS.
And to think they could have just shot the x-wing novels.
"So check out the Hobbit."
Not the takeaway I was expecting, but I'll take it.
The Hobbit was horrible
@@SiriusMined The Horrib was hobbible
SiriusMined I wouldn’t say ‘horrible’
meanwhile he was quoting the plot of LOTR. Someone is not a real fan. He just went to see them because hype, and doesn;t actually know shit. Any 1/2 serious Tokien fan would be far more precise.
@@arealassassinAre you..being serious? Or joking? I can't tell.
After watching the JJ Abrams Star Trek movies, I asked myself, "Does JJ Abrams know what he is doing?"
Abrams is a hack
"No."
@@leeharveydarke "Someone's asking questions about the plot! Quick, throw someone through a jet turbine engine! Call out a smoke monster! Kill Jack! Do SOMETHING! ... or don't kill Jack, whatever."
JJ Abrams, a man of other people's convictions.
@@tskmaster3837 agreed
Charles Caine - I am not sure he does.... It’s hard to tell while watching, as all the frenetic activity is pretty distracting and one never really has time to register the flaws. I think people just come away with the impression they have been entertained while being ripped off. It takes a bit of reflection in the car outside the theater to figure out why.
Still thinkin' about Hiptang!
That'll be the Hiptang
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They should also have treated it as if they were making a good film, not making a profitable business. George Lucus didn't expect the first star wars to be a huge success. He just made a good film, he put his heart into it. The success and money follows if you don't make it the focus of the production
This critique really is spot on in identifying just how sensitive the makers of these films were to negative fan critique and how much that changed how these movies have been made.
TFA is a hard a appeal to nostalgia.
Fans are disappointed at how derivative it is.
TLJ is a hard swerve the other direction, pushing to break ground and subvert expectations (and if you think this was Rian Johnson acting as some sort of rogue agent, then you're fooling yourself as that's not how movies are made).
The fanbase fractures to an extent, but in large measure reacts negatively to how much shakeup is made with a classic franchise.
ROS is, again, a hard swerve against this, trying to appease the fans as much as possible. Much as the fanbase fractured after TLJ, ROS fractures itself, using much of its creative capital in trying to retcon TLJ out of existence, leaving a mess of a movie, and a mess of a franchise, behind.
Hard swerve maybe, but at the end of the day it just wasn't a great movie
I've never really been a fan of Abrams's movies. And this honestly just solidifies that dislike in my mind. Hang it up, JJ.
He's a hack.
It's easy to compare him to Spielberg due to many similarities in life as well as JJ's seemingly following what he views as Spielberg's strengths. Rewatching older Spielberg movies recently was not as enjoyable as when they were released. I'm starting to think JJ's attempt to copy Spielberg has exposed me to many Spielberg tricks that Spielberg masterfully hid, while JJ has no such skill.
go rewatch lost, wat put him on the map. ugggghhhh, empty trash really
@@Tony78454 I'd rather break both my own legs than watch Lost again, honestly.
@@dbensdrawinvids8390 lol thats exactly what i did while watching it. hes hack
You brought up stuff I've seen no one else in a Niagara Falls level of coverage about Star Wars bring up, Georg always slips in when you don't notice.
The most thoughtful defense for this movie I've heard, that didn't amount to the defender admitting they like having keys jangled in their face ("the effects were awesome, the fight scenes were really cool," etc.) Was that, if you went into the film not knowing anything about Star Wars or the established lore, RoS was the most watchable of the new trilogy. But that's the problem: there are a dozen "watchable" movies that come out every year, none of them are cultural watermarks the way Star Wars is.
Exactly, you can't put things like "the plot mostly made sense" or "the movie's soundtrack isn't that annoying" on your movie poster, a filmmaker who only cares about avoiding mistakes might as well make nothing, a true filmmaker takes chances.
Is even that true? Every scene is so compressed that no one has time to grow or even be established, and so much of the plot relies on elements set up in previous movies. I feel like if I saw this movie without knowing about Star Wars, I'd find it incomprehensible.
@@Stuurminator
I wouldn't know, I refused to give Disney any more money after TFA. I'm just relaying what I felt was the most thought-out shill for the movie, the defense of it that didn't just boil down to "I like big-budget spectacles that cost millions of dollars to generate," and why I still thought it was a pretty crappy defense.
Something a lot of people don't realize is the first two movies dicked around. A lot of set up and world building was necessary to get us back to speed and neither The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi forget they're each an episode in a grand Saga called Star Wars. The Force Awakens completely derailed the narrative from Episode 6 and spends little time explaining it. Episode 7 was too busy trying to be Episode 4 it didn't bother to continue the story, or properly develop the story of the Sequel Trilogy. This meant Episode 8 had to pick up the slack for 7 and probably get the narrative back on track possibly retconning a lot of seven. Instead 8 doesn't do any of that. It derails the story arc for the characters introduced in TFA. Manages to commit to some of the premises of TFA like with Luke Skywalker while not at all explaining the setting. It's too busy trying to deconstruct Star Wars instead of continuing the story. This means that all the necessary world building, character development, the overarching story for the Trilogy is left to Episode 9 and it's too much for one movie and even then they don't even attempt to explain the setting. The Sequel Trilogy is incongruous with the prior two and each movie in the Sequel Trilogy is incongruous with each other. It's just a huge mess.
Georg could you do a The Lighthouse (2019) review? I would love to hear your opinion on the movie!
I. Love. You.
Seriously.. You are great to listen to. What happened with Star-Wars is a well known problem but your delivery and critical thinking add color to these observations and add details where there was none. I was nodding during the whole episode, approving with your every point while being offered a surprise chuckle here and there.
Well crafted. Keep up the fantastic work!
Yes, thank you for this! Because not only has there been too many Star Wars lately, there's also the wild directions they've been going in, as well as how they can't keep a straight timeline
TLDR, Star Wars is a burning dumpster fire that should at least go on hiatus so they can get their shit together.
Or end forever. I'm fine with both
I'm leaning toward "end forever," but I'm not a Star Wars fan.
your tldr is 4/5 as long as your read. do you get how that maneuver works?!
And yet, when done right...well...baby yoda ...enough said.
I’m in the ‘End it forever’ camp myself.
@@lsb2623
Why are you even bothering to point that out?
thinkin' bout those beans...
i HAVENT had my oil CJANGED SINCE March to own 5he libtards
I don't get it
The Rise of Skywalker feels like it was edited in about a week. It has some of the worst pacing I've seen in a big-budget action film. Not sure who to blame here aside from the top brass.
Apparently he made a 3 hour version. They said it was too long. He edited it down to 2:40. Still too long. Without his permission they edited it down to it's current length creating bad pacing and incomplete storylines, pissing off jj in the process.
I also think that it suffered a lot from trying to undo what went on in TLJ. God, that film was s**t
@@torresalex TLJ was great and these disney pussies should have grown enough sack to follow an original storyline for once.
When one of the great modern visionaries, Ridley Scott admits to listening to fan chatter, then you know the entire industry has lost its bottle!
I have to say though, in fairness, after watching a comprehensive making of TLJ documentary on you tube, I have a new found respect for all the cast and crew. The performers gave it their all and Abhrams, a guy I had little love for, displays so much energy and enthusiasm on set, it's hard not to like him. The film they all made wasn't great, but no one went into the production looking to make a bad movie. However (you knew there was one coming!), one face that crops up far too often in the doc is that of Kathleen Kennedy. She is on screen more than the likes of Daisy Ridley who is in the darn film! There's your answer right there. The suits should stay behind their desks and let the creatives get on with it! Every now and then, sure, they have to stick their heads out to let everyone know they are spending too much time and money on the project, but other than that, know your place!! She's not the first producer to seek fame mind you. Robert Evans was as famous as his films, but at least he gave good movies the go ahead!
First of all, welcome back! It's great to see a Georg Rockall-Schmidt video again. Looks like you made a bunch of videos over the holidays, so now I'm going to watch all of them. Very cool.
This is a subject that's being debated all over, and there seems to be dozens of different opinions. Here's my take on what happened:
- Abrams makes _The Force Awakens._ He receives guidance from on high (above Kathleen Kennedy's level) to make it as much like _A New Hope_ as possible. It's a hit.
- Because the first one did so well, Kennedy has more latitude to make _The Last Jedi._ Her pattern is to hire unconventional directors, let them work for months, and then replace them at the last moment in favor of someone more conventional. (Possibly because of orders from on high.) This time she has the pull to let her favorite Rian Johnson work to completion. The result is hated by most of the dedicated fanbase.
- The higher-ups (Iger, et al) see the response to TLJ and pull back the reigns for _The Rise of Skywalker._ Abrams has to work under very close supervision, and is still forced to reshoot most of the movie at the last minute. The resulting film is a mishmash of his original ideas and studio interference. Someone above Abrams gets the final edit and creates the pacing problems.
To sum up, I think there's two interrelated problems afflicting the Disney Star Wars movies (all of 'em including the stand-alones):
1. Kennedy doesn't have a creative vision. Her instinct is to hire directors that do have creative visions and let them work. This would be fine if she was making art-house films, but she's in charge of a huge corporate franchise. Over and over she picks a team and lets them work, then gets countermanded by higher-ups at Disney, is forced to fire her favorites and start again at the last minute with a more conventional team. The one film they let her produce unhindered is _The Last Jedi._ The lack of an overall plan for the trilogy comes from her.
2. Iger and the higher-ups at Disney have been interfering in the creative process at Lucasfilm from the very beginning. They don't give Lucasfilm the same independence that Marvel gets. And over and over their interference has forced the new trilogy to follow the most conventional path. George Lucas had a plan for these three movies, and he sold his story outlines to Disney as part of the orginal deal. Disney rejected those outlines and every offer of advice Lucas has made since, because they don't want movies that advance the story. They want movies that _retell_ the original story over and over.
The reason for making these movies was corrupt from the beginning. The foundation of good art is exploration of the unknown. All these movies seek to do reiterate other people's ideas. Which is practically the antithesis of what the original films were doing and a big reason for their lasting appeal.
While I don't think it applies here specifically I'll play advovatus diaboli anyway.
Art is created in a context. The author has knowledge; the author assumes the audience has some knowledge. Sometimes there exist different interpretations of old music. When it is played as written it will appear rather plain, dull perhaps. Often, however, certain things were not written down. "Of course the conductor knows to add this at the end." As such a 'refresh' work is a good idea once the knowledge is generally lost. The same goes for books, which may become hard to understand due to general language changes and might lose some punch because specific words (such as "rascal" common to early American literature) changed in their meaning.
What I described thus far were updated works. Those are not what I am here to argue for.
Part of a work generally is a message someone wants to send. This message once more relies on the context of the work. A 2010 novel indirectly about the Congress of Vienna will be much different from an 1820 one. Indeed, part of the 1820 novel's context might very well be censorship which is likely not properly understood by the audience anymore.
Some works are considered beautiful. Sometimes these works are also considered outdated. Works exist which are liked for introducing the reader to a great world but due to the march of time much of the book will have been lost in terms of meaning. Then, I fully believe, it might make sense to, as opposed to updating the original, create a new work, with a nee context, for a new audience, a work with the same setting within.
Star wars did not need a retelling for a new generation.
I didn't think the original films were original. Space operas had been done before, and the story of Luke Skywalker was pretty much just a straight formulaic injection-molding of a standard Hero's Journey.
The original three Star Wars movies were really just slightly above-average popcorn flicks, honestly.
Winston Deleon dumb ass, Star Wars 77 literally defined the hero’s journey for a whole new generation. It’s no average flick. Seems you are not very intelligent and these Disney films have dumbed you down, which is their purpose.
DANK dumb ass it is now, but the original trilogy is far from that. You are clearly uneducated.
Wasn't Star Wars made because George Lucas couldn't get the rights to Flash Gordon?
How dare you! Burnt out producers carrying on regardless produce stunning artistic results. There was The Hobbit, and that series...the one with D & D...Dungeons & Dragons?
Happy New year Georg. Hope you have a good one.
At 5.45 Kathleen just told you she had absolutely no idea what Star Wars is...That's sentence belong to Spiderman for god sake!!!
I hope we don't have to wait until Christmas for more videos.
I hope the film production Georg is working on is kicking ass, and whatever he's doing I hope Georg comes back to us soon.
In the meantime, I've been watching the older content. The Bilgewater series is insane and hilarious.
Come back soon Georg!