Infinity Ultron Vs Goku Isn’t Close
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- Опубліковано 2 січ 2024
- Today we are going to be talking about who Would win in a fight between Goku from Dragon Ball Z Vs Infinity Ultron from the What-If marvel Series
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Ultron is such a janky character to scale, one second the dudes speed is shown at like infinite, the next second he's getting hit by a basic superhuman lol
What If Series Plot Armor.
Didn't goku and vegeta run from broly to form Gogeta? Make it make sense
@@strifefresh3998 Yeah, But Still Infinity Stones Are 4 D Universal And Even SS God Goku Is 7 D Universal.
And Thats not even SSB Or UI.
@@user-dd7hv2sx5b 7D? I'm fckin done with this nonsense. Superman can beat goku but goku can beat Infiniti Ultron? Mfs is all over the place over their favorite anime/comic/Manga characters the end
@@strifefresh3998 I Can Explain it so don't Be Angry:
Dragon Ball Multiverse Is An Omniverse With Multiverse With 12 7 Dimensional Universes [It Was Stated In The Manga + In The Anime + In The Guidebooks] And Infinity Stones In Marvel Comics Are 4 D Universal.
Tony stark was so good at making death machines that he made a machine stronger than the whole universe
Goku Was 7 D Universal In God Form Only.
SSB 50 Times Stronger And TRUE UI 1,000 + Times Stronger Then SSB + Insane Self Control And Energy Control [Ki Control]
@@user-dd7hv2sx5bbro no one is arguing that ultron is stronger what is ur point? 😂
I love how the community is back on can he beat goku 🤣🤣
It feels good man
Ah yes the famous “can he beat goku” I’m surprise it’s still alive and well
@@jianandreiraut7088 bro with ccgoku xenogoku
Jump force goku 🤣🤣🤣🤣 we can’t lose no debate
One Punch Man:
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He is basuically an undefeatable gag@@Animefacts35
@@Animefacts35y’all can’t bring that shit to dc or marvel tho 😭
@@symaliwilliams1155 broly beast hulk tho
Can't he just turn Goku into a pile of senzu beans with the reality stone if he wanted to?
Yes I think so at least. The question here is really whether or not Goku is fast and strong enough to do that before Ultron does such a thing. Which I believe he is. Watch goku v superman for exact measures on his strength but I think he pretty easily instantly destroy all of Ultron before he can react
Infinity Stones Are 4 D Universal.
Goku Is Low Multiversal By Holding Back With Ki Control.
@@jamescooley5241vegito in buu saga (a universal threat level fight) got turned into a chocolate ball and still kept fighting so yeah I think if your power is that much stronger than you’ll be okay…
Why didnt he do that to the remaining avengers? He was defeated so technically he is still a loser
a mere virus was able to defeat ultron imagine goku having that arrow then just insert it on Ultron with at ease it would have ended the series quickly hahahahahahaha... But jokes aside he has all the powers in the world but still been defeated by just a low powered heroes so basically he can still be defeated..
Depending on where the fight takes place, I think Goku's advantage would change in terms of gap. The Infinity Stones don't work outside of their native universe, so if the fight took place in DB universe, Ultron would stand no chance, but if it was in his own universe, than he'd put up a fight.
The MCU infinity stones work outside of different universes as we see in what if season 2. They only don’t work in the TVA
@@MOTIONSOLDIERR then that would be a direct retcon on how infinity stones work, every iteration of the infinity stones are said to be paper weights outside of their home universe, infinity ultron was using his body like a battery, charging himself up so said powers can work regardless of where he was
@@titaniumstar1772 no he wasn’t lol in the MCU the infinity stones work in other universes and infinity ultron is part of the MCU so he doesn’t need to do that. I’m aware the comics are different we’re talking about an MCU character though therefore MCU rules
@@titaniumstar1772 what if season 2 also proves this bc other characters are using them in other universes
@MOTIONSOLDIERR "what if everything took place in the 1600s" yet somehow we have pym particles and tony stark can just create universal devices out of nowhere
im all for infinite possibilities, but even you have to admit some things dont make sense, like purple hulk
my best guess is that its a plot hole because the writers simply thought "nobodys gonna question this" and usually the simplest answer is the best, especially given how disney is now showing they dont care about continuity or lore so long as they can make a quick buck
Honestly problem with Goku scaling is the fact Toriyama often doesn't know what he's writing.
Wtf are you yapping on about?
@@IsaacJuelch-ei6drdb super broke power scaling and it made the power of ssj god into goku base form and still struggling against U6 sayian who can barely get ssj2
@@xin69reuploads31 Maybe I'm wrong but didn't he only do that in SSJ against beerus?
@@IsaacJuelch-ei6dr yeah? Cause after he lost his god form the power of god ki went into his base form then he went ssj. He was already x50 stronger than his original self minutes ago when unlocking ssjgod
He didn’t really maybe the movies and anime but the manga is pretty consistent until the dbs super hero bs
I like how with every matchup goku has serious (superman) or jokingly (30.000.000.000 spongebobs) he either stomps or gets stomped, theres no in between.
Who would evenly match goku, now this has me thinking
Btw 1 spongebob could beat goku
@@dre4534 the closest matchups i have seen is kratos and a hyphotetical limit for saitama.
@@dre4534 Asura vs Goku is a perfect matchup imo
@@rexyjp1237Saitama gets spanked 😂
Ultron scales to Low-Complex Multiversal. Goku gets to 2-C or Universal+. Ultron could easily re-write reality to kill Goku. Not to mention Ultron’s Stones work everywhere as we saw in What If…Season 1. Ultron also would’ve destroyed the entire Multiverse had he killed the Watcher, and this includes the Yggdrasil tree, which is held together by Loki.
I love that infinity upfront is getting recognized
hes goated
It is difficult to determine the outcome of a hypothetical battle between Infinity Ultron and Goku, as they exist in separate universes with different power scales and abilities. Goku is known for his incredible strength and transformations, while Infinity Ultron possesses immense cosmic power and advanced technology. Ultimately, the result would depend on various factors such as context, narrative, and the specific interpretations of the characters by different writers.
Chat gpt response
Negative
You act that Goku has multiple writers
@@BigGoonie he does tho?
Infinity ultron wipes the floor with goku lol. Infinity ultron is lowballed to multiversal+ as he broke through the nexus of realities which is equal to a multiverse.
While I agree with the results, I think it’s important that Goku is not immune to hax. Before people jump on me and tell me that i’m a fake dbz fan and that Goku solos fiction, allow me to speak my word of mind if you please. Lets give Ultron Comic Book stones scaling. With that, I don’t think Goku would be able to power through the infinity stones hax. Allow me to break it down, but if you want to hear my general thoughts they’ll be way down below.
Okay, so there’s this weird thing going around the community about Goku just being able to bypass hax because “he outscales and outpowers them”, which is the case at a surface level. Let’s examine Hit and his time skip that Goku was able to break through. By just looking at it, you might think “Oh wow, Goku got so strong hax don’t matter to him anymore!” But that isn’t the full story. Hit’s time manipulation is Ki based, he specifically mentions this before fighting/sparring with Goku and Vegeta (he could have said this earlier or later, so please correct me if I’m wrong.) Ki is everything in Dragon Ball, its how fighters can reach universal to multiversal levels of power physically. Not to mention that Goku wasn’t able to figure out what was happening when Hit first used his time-skip, and neither did Vegeta. Goku had to power up to Blue and use Kaioken, if he failed he would have fallen and Hit would have beaten him. This means Goku can’t just bypass hax in base with ease, and that he’s not instantly immune to them either. If you still choose to disagree, multiple characters have stated that hax in dragon ball are dependent on strength and strength alone (Vegeta, Vados, and Beerus as examples). Using Hakai as an example is disingenuous, as Hakai relies on the opponent specifically being weaker to work. Its why Hakai didn’t kill Goku or Frieza. With that, I don’t think Goku could power through getting his organs shut off or his brain wiped. But that don’t matter because Goatku is cooler than Ultron and hes a hero. The heroes winning always make me happy.
TLDR; Goku isn’t immune to hax. Don’t let the goku meatriders fool you, he doesn't solo fiction
So we just gonna forget that Dimensionality is a factor
@@RedEditz7 Not at all. I hate using dimensions because one character having a bigger universe shouldn’t instantly make them win a fight, especially when they have no resistances to what the other character can do
Ontop of that, The Dragon Ball verse is nowhere near as big as the Marvel universe. There’s literal infinite possibilities in infinite dimensions, confirmed by comic watcher. This is the MCU, which also says infinite universes but has nothing to back it up
@@user-yv3ke7mg2l first of all Dimensionality/Cosmology is one of the biggest factor in scaling and no that's not how it works
Second of all The Cosmology of DB reaches Outer if not higher same with Marvel (idk about Marvel but I have seen Outerversal scaling so it should be on that lvl) since the Cosmology is = then it comes down to Dimensionality,feats and other factors such as Hax, Abilities, Power, Guide books statements and further stuff that back's up the consistency of one's Power
@@RedEditz7 I don't believe so. Scaling relies on feats, not cosmology. Let's put it this way, put Spider-Man against someone like Optimus Prime. Peter has never, ever reached anything even remotely planet sized physically, while stuff like that is a lowball for the Transformers verse. However Marvel outscales badly. Both cosmologies are infinite in size but there's no evidence supporting that Transformers is bigger than Marvel without doing some stretching from crossovers like My Little Pony, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, etc.
Dragon Ball is somewhat in the same boat. We know the size of the macrocosm is infinite but we can't be 100% sure because of how many mistranslations and different statements contradict it. I won't delve too far because I unfortunately don't have any statements on my person, and taking shots at Dragon Ball and preaching is not cool. Especially since I love the series too. Whereas Marvel is again, infinite expanding because of all the different continuites spanning over the series.. series. all of them are canon to their own universe but you can't see it as much because Marvel writers are stinky. besides, I can agree that the DB cosmology can potentially reach outer but not a lot of people do. We need more concrete stuff that isn't hyperbole or mistranslations, but lets be generous and say it can be outer+.
You reach back into my other and original points, the entire reason I made that comment to begin with. Cosmology should not matter when we're arguing characters and not the verses. Just because Goku shook the macrocosm with Beerus, albeit super fucking impressive, doesn't mean he can survive getting his organs destoryed. Ki Barrier cannot protect him because it doesn't protect the user from the inside. Like, how Goku would probably survive getting sandwiched between two planets no issue, but can't resist getting his brain exploded if that makes sense.
the fact that even when you downplayed goku THIS BADLY, infinity ultron wouldn't stand a slight chance against Goku
It's not that much of downplay rlly I just didn't go over multipliers all the way
@@Tamakii_san Im not talking about that, you scaled goku to low complex 5d while he is actually outerversal to high outerversal
No he isn't@@TheLastServantOfNito
@@TheLastServantOfNitono tf he’s not he’s multi+ at best
@@Tamakii_san yes he is lmao, you have even provided one scan that can be scaled to outerversal in your video, specifically, the superdimensional scan
The show is weird. It’s been stated multiple times that the Infinity Stones only work in the universe in which they originate from…so Ultron really shouldn’t be a multiversal threat.
I guess that's why it's a "what if"
When was that stated in the MCU?
@@OogaBooga24723i remember there was this one comic where thanos went outside of the universe to fight someone yet the infinity stones didnt work and it was explained that the infinity stones only have power in the universe they originate from
@@ithoughtso.7016 the MCU doesn’t follow the comic’s lore in that aspect
The only place the infinity stones are nullified in the MCU are in TVA because it’s a place beyond space and time.
MCU stones work in different universes, it’s stupid though.
@@OogaBooga24723 oh alright i didnt know
I know damn well yall is yelling in these comments that goku can beat ultron. Ultron literally chewed a galaxy while goku just shattered reality not destroyed. Come tf on it's like saying goku can defeat Living Tribunal 😂. Stop goku fans please
Yapping is crazy
Shattering a universe is the same thing as destroying it. And Buuhan who is weaker than Goku was going to destroy the universe by screaming. And the only reason the universe and afterlife wasn’t destroyed in the Beerus fight was because Goku cancelled out the same energy being produced that was gonna destroy the entire macrocosm. Even the Elder Kai states that. So he is multiversal for that.
@@dillpickle7400 you miss my point...... can goku eat an entire universe? NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
@@strifefresh3998 He can 1 punch a macrocosm. So that cancels it out. And Ultron only ate a galaxy not a universe.
@@dillpickle7400 you keep talking about physical when physical and mentally ultron can do anything better and worse than goku. Let's me read a Manga saying goku ate and galaxy instead of punching macaroni 🤣. Give it up goky stan
Hey, where did you get the information for the stone abilities from?
Gonna be honest you are downplaying Infinity Ultron alot.
Infinity scales to the Watcher. The Watcher is stated multiple times to be beyond all of Space Time in the MCU. Which includes multiple dimensions, afterlifes, and multiverses. Yes, the MCU contains multiple multiverses according to the official site.
That would include the Dark Dimension which is stated twice in guides to be 11 Dimensional. Wong also mentions in She-Hulk that the Space-Time Continuum is Metaphysical. Metaphysical by definition is Outerversal. Lastly, stated in Moon Knight each Afterlife is it's own Intersectional Plane of Abstract Untethered Consciousness.
Lowballed Infinity Ultron is 11D but based on what has been show more likely Outerversal.
I know there are Outerversal arguments for Goku but no one can agree on it so until then Infinity Ultron slaps Goku.
"The Watcher is stated multiple times to be beyond all of Space Time in the MCU" quantify this, and how does this translate to how hard the watcher hits.
@@goku-bb5sihe did quantify it. He said it would put him above dormammu who is stated to be 11D
@@goku-bb5siyou gotta read man
@@kombatman8802 11D or Outerversal. If you take Wongs statements at face value.
@@goku-bb5si He scales above the Dimensions of the MCU, putting him anywhere from 11D to Outerversal.
Infinity ultron is faster than goku giving the fact that he was breaking into different realities with sheer speed
*hax
infinite power=high universal
💀💀💀
@@MLamar0612 what's the problem
infinite power = meaningless hyperbolic statement
@@akaakaakaak5779not when they actually start to destroy an actual infinite space.
Reach Gangg
Aaa yes Goku the 5D character who is somehow still below Zeno who has infinite variants across the timelines making him 4D at best... You gotta love the inconsistent power of DBZ xd, man how I hate scaling that verse...
oh no outer superman with his variants.
oh no complex multi to hyper thor with his variants.
oh multi thanos with his variants.
oh no outer galactus with his variants.
you see how stupid this sounds.
@@johnss9114 I agree comics are inconsistent too xd
Or maybe you are a delusiuonal kid who donty know what is talking about, Goku from the future is dead, and Goku from the present is alive, this alone refutes the fact that DB characters are linked to their variants
@@Tuga. Or it refutes the fact they are 5D and above xd. But no a DB slopper could never accept that Goku is not as strong as they think💀
@@LoudYapper look this doesn't matter as it'll also refute any 5d and above argument for supe and flash.
Not to mention if we get into things the highest flash can be is 4d using logic.
The downplay of Marvel is crazy. Dragon Ball fans will read every guide book possible to give goku an advantage but wont pick up a Marvel/DC comic
You completely downplayed infinity Ultron.
First of all the watcher is stated to be 5D twice. First time it was stated was in Groot season 2 second time it was stated was un what if season two.
So they would both be 5D.
Second you downplay his speed the watcher’s realm is beyond time. Moving in it is an immeasurable speed feat.
Actually, that's still downplaying it. Watcher is easily above 5D.
Watcher is stated to be beyond all of space and time in the MCU, including places like the TVA, Dark Dimension, Countless Afterlifes, and multiple Multiverses. (It's stated that the MCU contains multiple Multiverses on the official site) Anyway, it's been stated in guides that Dormammu and the Dark Dimension are 11D. Wong also talks about how Space-Time in the MCU is metaphysical. Metaphysical by definition is Outerversal.
got tagged by captain carter. goku is mftl+ not any infinite or so but based on ultron performance I believe he gets blitzed.
@@johnss9114 Infinity Ultron was toying with them. Also, fast characters don't always go there fastest at all times.
Also, Goku does have infinite to Inaccessible Speed. Immeasurable if you count movies or heroes.
Lastly, Goku is weaker than Ultron as he scales to 11D to Outerversal.
@@jeremymorris345 complete bs.
Watcher is 5d stated in the show.
He struggled to fight against characters that scale below uni and hypersonic speeds.
Get that bs outer 11d outta here
@@johnss9114 That's straight up wrong.
1. Just because they are a 5D character doesn't mean they can't scale higher. Example: Goku is 3D but scales to 5D+. The Watchers are stated above all Time and Space in the MCU. Space-Time in the MCU is stated Metaphysical which by definition is Outerversal.
2. Watcher scales Infinity Ultron. The Infinity Stones are stated Omnipotent and are stated to scale above Dormammu. Dormammu is stated 11D in multiple sourses.
3. Watcher is above time so he has Immeasurable speed.
you can get gokus speed higher if you want to use the timeless space less void during the goku black arc
Ultron has the power to manipulate any and all aspects of the universe. Killed everyone in his universe which included gods and things that are beyond.
Goku trained his entire life to punch things as hard as possible cuz all he wants is to throw hands.
Goku fans: gOkU iS tHe gReAtEsT. gOkU wOuLd wIn aNy fIgHt.
lolz
Its time to stop. Noone but maybe zeno and the angels are 5D. Bro is actually blowing bubbles on it. Goku gets slammed
Bru Goku slam infinite Ultron
10:50 Jiren does not transcend time he simply negated hits technique by being stronger.
None of this translates to speed. So Goku is not even immeasurable
Goku's feat in the Afterlife is enough to prove a point
Goku was crossing infinite distances
@@alibeknorbekov5963 infinite speed isn’t bad.
Still not enough for Ultron tho
@@kombatman8802 i said infinite distances
Not speed
Its immeasurable speed feat
Ultron is fast but, not as fast as dragon ball characters
If you don't believe me
There's another feat goku has shown
Goku moved faster than light when he was a kid
@@alibeknorbekov5963 so Goku gets blitzed confirmed thanks
@@alibeknorbekov5963 Ultron can move in infinite distances too he literally flew across infinite multiverses in his fight
I liked this video, good work on the research for it but you need to slow down and take your time to pronounce your words better. Not an attack, just someone who would like to see you improve.
Interesting idea.
I think if Ultron fought Goku it'd end pretty fast. Goku always tries to draw fights out. Ultron is fine just zapping someone.
Ultron slams
No that is wrong
The thing you said about the transformations giving Goku a power edge is wrong and right... kinda. Base Goku is nowhere near 5D only Jiren and Broly get to dose feats. But clearly Dragon Ball has a lot of power creep, Moro is stronger than Broly MUI Goku is over Gogeta and there is TUI. So yeah I agree with this scale and it's the exact same I would use 5D+ transformations for Goku
How isn’t he near 5D in base?
After almost destroying the macrocosm which is 7D in god form, he absorbed the power in base🧏🏼♂️
@@marley8684 bro is just yapping tbh
@@marley8684 He didn't absorb shit, base form with ssj God absorbed is the Saiyan Beyond God in RoF that was later descarted Base Goku is Galaxy around super Perfect Cell's level
@@SergioRodriguez-bx3ot then this is a waste of time explaining
@@Casual_Otaku just say you can’t read
Is there a cartoon of Ultron shown in the video? Name please
Marvel what if
Great Video! You covered this match really well! W!
I agree with some things but not everything. If both characters have immeasurable speed, are both 5D, and both multiversal plus, adding super saiyan multipliers don’t matter. At that point numbers are literally meaningless which is why feats are a big thing. I also don’t think Gogeta and Broly feats count as Goku feats but where Goku is at in the manga you can make a case that he’s stronger than what was shown in the movie by now so it’s not a big deal. Honestly this fight can go either way in my opinion, I personally lean towards Ultron because of the multiple hax he has, even though they can’t affect Goku directly he can still manipulate everything around him and Goku has nothing to really combat against that. Loved the video tho, again I can totally see Goku winning also.
ultron can just grow and chomp bro goku cant even breathe in space
he breathed in space in the beerus movie@@arhia6106
@@arhia6106true
Gogetas feats can be considered to be Goku feats also since he's not only stronger than gogeta after the movie but also stronger before the movie during top when he achieved Mui
Not much Ultron can manipulate if he gets speed blitzed and most of his hax gets resisted by Goku. Let's say Goku doesn't speed blitz ultron and ultron manipulates the surroundings there's not much ultra can really do to damage Goku
Nice, i do put Goku above 5D. It would just be a worse match up for Ultron lol
You should have mentioned Infinite Zamasu, since Zamasu Fused with an entire timeline and he proceeds to affect other timelines by simply existing, Since he basically ''consumes'' everything below, it would make him 6D. Jiren and Goku are stronger than him and by that makes them 6D.
Again Nice video.
And? You could get ultron higher anyway
@@Dark-sun-Gwyndolin82 i mean yea, i just though i should mention. it is quite important and impressive. That is all.
I think goku caps out at 5D it's not like he's out here destroying reality the same way broly and gogeta blue are. He could get there tho
@@Duc.per.Crimsonyes he is didn’t you hear the explanations
@Duc.per.Crimson the other world is stated to be 5d and goku threatened that
Idk man.
Infinity stone Ultron basically makes him Zeno and I don’t see Goku rocking Zeno’s world anytime soon
Do a vid on goku vs sailor moon
Goku Clears.
.He was 7 d universal before SSB With × 50 Multiplier ALREADY In God Form
@@user-dd7hv2sx5b I know for a fact he clears but people on the internet are idiots
The show is contradicting itself. The Infinity Stones only work in their own universe. So theres no possible way a wielder of the stones could be a multiversal threat. At nost they are universal.
No they don't that's comic book thing
That was never stated in the MCU
This is an adaption. The comics have no bearing on the movies.
The stones are used in different universes in the show, you are thinking of the comics.
You are right. TVA use it as paper weights
It’s crazy how hard Infinity Ultron stomps Goku, I cannot believe people still try to debate fodderku against actually strong characters, it’s not very nice to the poor Saiyan 😭🙏
Goku slam ultron
Could you do Goku vs scp 3812 or swans proposal from scp.
yea prob
Is infinity Ultron actually stronger then any other person who uses all 6 infinity stones I just don’t get it?
I think he is as a normal person will have draw backs when using the stones and can only be used to their best by a strong person for example Ironman died when he reversed thanos snap and thanos didn’t die due to him being physically stronger. With intron he’s a machine that was made to handle the mind stone so he can use the other stones to the fullest without any draw backs
The thing in dragon ball is that time stop is based on strength, you can only stop the time if the person fighting you is weaker than you or in an weaker state, meaning that Goku isn't immune to hax. Goku gets no diffed by infinity ultron.
That’s taken completely out of context and I know what event you are referring to. Jiren vs hit and goku vs hit.
Goku countered time skip because on time skip time is only stopped for .1 seconds. So hit needs to take advantage of those .1 seconds. The problem is goku was just fast enough (and proclaimed he would have oost like Vegeta because he studied hits’ habits off of the Vegeta fight) to be able to predict hits move and block before the time skip. So when hit would time skip goku would already be countering. Thats why he increased the gap by using kaioken.
With Jiren hit didn’t use time skip, he used time *stop*
That’s why Whis said goku was specifically using the power gap to counter time skip.
Whilst the angels agreed with Vados when she specifically said Hit was overpowering Time itself. Not the technique or hit. Downplayers love to take those scenes out of context and make a false equivalence. Goku has transcended time.
What is stopping ultron from frame 1 nuking the planet and how is goku surviving in space. Also Jiren who scales above time still was slowed down for a bit before he could break out. It wasnt like it just didn't work on him at all or bounced off his chest. And its not like ultron needs to land a hit on him to use the time zone he could just simply freeze time and wherever goku is he'll get frozen.
TLDR Ultron slams goku, goku can deal with hacks but not infinite hacks
Speed blitz + ki bubble to survive in space and instant transmission
You know how much Jiren surpressed himself agains hit? Just think how exponentially Goku and other fighters grew exponentially during the Top and still get washed easily by Jiren until ui and mui
@@darthcheese_9645 Theyre both at immeasurable speed so how would goku speed blitz? Also instant transmission where? His IT range is about the size of a galaxy (morro arc) and ultron blows up galaxies for fun
@@dsm2417 i mean i agree but also time stone>> hits time cage. The time stone has infinite power whereas hit does not
There's another more obscure point about Ki.
Mortal Ki is 4D -> It allows anyone to perform things that you normally need science and vast resources to achieve, even achieve impossibilities such as Magic with frightening ease in comparison.
God Ki is 5D -> An evolution, a superior form of Ki from higher realm.
Ultra Instincts is 6D -> Further evolution into an even higher realm which previous realms cannot ever hope to measure up against.
Knowing how stupidly inconsistent and overpowered Marvel and DC characters can become, I'll leave at that and assume Ultron is able to somehow utterly destroy Goku simply by blinking in his direction.
I see Goku going at him slow and steady and Ultron just using the Time Stone and Reality Stone to win
So ppl think goku from dbs is 5d but the omni king has other copies in other time lines which at max would make him high 4d
It's an anime it's not a realistic 4D you really think toriama Is thinking about how to make an accurate 4D Character or even a 4D character at all.
It’s more so attack power rather than dimensional existence
@@carrotdtop_1 dragon ball scaling is all over the place in super but it doesn't have any 5d feats from goku zeno has a 5d deat erasing infinite zamatsu from all timelines but he himself is restricted to the 4th dimension .they really wank and High ball goku scaling all the time
@@Six-bw3irHe goes pretty in details with gods and time travel so 🤷♂️ who knows
@@TheGreatKaz the 'detail' is very shallow he explains the systems in which they operate not anything about their specific power and capabilities. The most we know is a plot armor save time travel ability whis had for the one time save when frueza destroyed earth.
Actually the afterlife is outer because it is stated that it is transcending dimensionalty witch would make it outer and goku was going to destroy that like you said when he was fighting beerus in super sayin god witch he then absorbed that power into his base form witch would make base form goku outer so yah ultron definitely stands no chance
it's not outer
@@Tamakii_san it is
No, it isn't at all @@Gameing-and-otherstuff
@@Tamakii_san yes it is completely
We can Vc about it cuz it's not outer at alll@@Gameing-and-otherstuff
Kids, if you ever want to go into anything involving creative writing (books, movies, tv, comics, anime, manga, video games), NEVER write like marvel/DC or Dragon Ball. This shit is so lame, watching this video rotted my brain out because of how mind numbingly out of proportion the stakes are. As a general rule of thumb, if higher dimensional tiering bullshit can be applied to the story you write, you made the stakes _TOO HIGH,_ and no one with a brain is going to get anything out experiencing what you wrote.
W VIDEO
The only i can't really agree with you completely is speed
The best no doubt in it feat goku ever did is moving in the white void with trunks and zeno
Wich give him inaccessible speed
But immesurable not sure
Power and other mighit be even above 6d or 7d since he is stronger than infinite zamasu who is a timeline that contain all13 macrocosom neutral zone Zeno realm
not a true feat as it's literally just a white void nothing much :/
@@thedukeconiosantiago9180 Goku have clear cut statements of transcending time itself by being strong enough time hax of infinity stone's is not gonna work on Goku if he stays at his ui form.
@@thedukeconiosantiago9180 a void with no timeline=time and space
@@thedukeconiosantiago9180 no space no time how do you think he is moving
Meaning inaccessible speed
Ultron has infinite power that's clearly stated and shown multiple times as part of the whole narrative, Goku has infinite power that's based on fan power scaling and goes against the narrative of his character
You know who also has infinite power much stronger than Ultron? The androids. Lol
@@MyLife-og2kr No, not how that works. The androids have infinite "energy" as in infinite stamina. They don't run out of energy, it's not that they output an infinite amount of force or power.
@@Supreme_Court. ultron never had the infinite energy you're referring to. Even with the infinity stones, they have their limits in that they only work in their universe and Marvel has multiple upon multiple universes.
@@MyLife-og2kr Traditionally they allow for actually infinite power over the respective parts of just the universe they're from, but in What If they also kept their power as they went outside the original universe while Ultron fought Uatu.
And in either case it definitely doesn't just mean having infinite stamina like it does for the Androids lol
@@Supreme_Court. I understand we're you're coming from now and yes, you're correct. It's Marvel and Marvels incontinency. One moment, we have them not working in other universe, then the other we have them working in all universe. Retcons and incontinency.
9:20 statement is taken out of context Heaven is a transcendental world meaning spiritual not a transcended realm.
Second of it, is physically located above the mortal realm.
So in context it is a spiritual dimension that is located above the mortal realm. So not 5D.
w vid
I agree with this however Ultron should bw multiversal+ not just universal. Goku does still outscale and outspeed ultron regardless and can get over his haxes except maybe reality warping our soul manipulation, but again goku could potentially blitz him and hakai ultron.
No goku doesn’t
@@Dark-sun-Gwyndolin82Ya he does.
@@joshuaaboo4767 no he doesn’t idiot
@@joshuaaboo4767goku never was able to successfully do a haki even if he could he doesn't even use that move at all sooooo
@@joshuaaboo4767um no
I think Ultron would basically stand well against super Saiyan blue goku but not uio and mui or higher
True problem is peapole forget that base Goku grow in each fight
Mui still loses
What's your opinion on Goku vs Sonichu
Goku Is Low Multiversal + On Level Of 2/3 7 Dimensiobal Universes With Ki Control Its obvious.
@@user-dd7hv2sx5b Idk Sonichu has shown feats of character theft and retconning other author's stories
Would go like Black Bolt vs Wanda.
Even with low ball of Goku
He won xD
Goku at his strongest form puts him at hyperverse to low outer level
yeah no not tui maybe uncanon but no.
@@V1DCELLS if you can scale then this wouldn't have been your answer
the order is Universal, Multiversal, Outerversal and the Hyperversal, Gokus highest is High Complex Multi and MAYBE low outer
Tui should be Low Outer, also knowing that the manga has higher scaling than the anime he should@@V1DCELLS
@@Insignia-pp1eh are you agreeing or disagreeing with me I can't tell
dont forget that ultron needs a thought to kill goku. in a fight, infinity ultron is still able to think. even when hes knocked out. he also survived his own death. means he can simply come back
Do beyblade vs demon slayer
the infinite power, and limitless power of the stones is a hyperbole. because why would thanos need to snap if he had infinite power, and could just do it himself with 1 stone.
In dragon all super somone who was stated to be faster than light seemed to be a big deal and goku didn’t seem to be faster than him either
what a random matchup
why you say dragon ball z if its dragon ball super ??????? at the start i tought you would compare it to dbz buu saga goku?
@Tamakii_san Ummmm.....with all due respect Infinity Ultron vs Goku Black (Someone beat me to it) would be best to profile!
It's very easy to defeat Goku, you just need to destroy the planet and he will eventually die
Now, if we don't consider that as a win against Goku. Both could actually win against each other.
Goku is usually down pointed but he actually is way stronger than he may look just with his raw power. He can break through dimensions (SS3 Gotenks, Superboo feat), he can surpass time itself (Jiren feat), he can even resist to be erased of the existence (only anime feat), from saiyan saga he's being a planet buster and if we talk about anime Goku then early DB Super he is an universe Buster (Super Boo destroying the entire universe in rage feat). So yeah, Goku in deed has feats to fight with.
Pd: Hope you understand what I said, English isn't my mother language.
How kid see goku : he even beat someone with infinite stones
Meanwhile adults : kys and beat jiren Without power of friendship first
Goku : I have ultra instinct
Reality stone: what's that?
cringe goku solos
@@alexpetana5563 lmao cope
@@ninjarld
Goku blitz before reality stone active ,
Watching marvel fans coping is the best thing of the day
Ultron absolutely one shots their verse infinity stones are capable of destroying and reshaping/recreating the Yggdrasil tree and have the capability of effecting the real world
Goku doesn't scale to the infinity stones. He could literally turn Goku into a red ribbon
Bru majin buu turned vegito to candy but don't work so Goku slam
Ah yes captain carter is multiversal cause she went toe to toe with ultron with help, much logic
He never talked about captain carter, only captain marvel for like a few seconds.
Even then, he never said anything about her being multiversal. What are u talking about?
this channel and its subscribers are so delusional
not going to lie I came in expecting Infinity Ultron to win guess I was wrong💀
He should have, given the fact the Omni-King has multiple variants across all timelines making him 4D at best, meaning Goku is nowhere above 4D himself xd. But that's just wacky and inconsistent DBZ scaling at its finest there
@@LoudYapper stfu. outer superman and flash yet they have multiple timeline. same with marvel.
@@johnss9114 I like your PFP but you should really not get so angry xd
it's not that ultron can lift more or outspeed goku, but its just that he can quite literally just oneshot him
……
So how is he going to one-shot him then?
@@Muffin11262 with his abilities
@@justcallmedylan2714Goku resist infinite Ultron abilities because Goku is higher demensions have video explain it all or are you being delusional.
A single marvel universe is bigger than at least 900 trillion macrocosms of DB plus a single universe hold infinite universes and realms that are universal also which would make a single universe Multiversal
The fact that people Consider 5D DBS Goku downplay is crazy
lol
Ultron could just snap Goku out of reality... he is a living infinity gauntlet and therefore omnipotent. All of his stats are infinite, such as speed, strength and intelligence. He could turn Goku into a fly just by thinking about it. Also, all the universal destruction showings from Goku that you showed were in combined effort and whilst punching as hard as he could, whereas Ultron did this on his own whilst toying with the Watcher.
Ultron has all the Infinity stones and therefore Infinite power in all of the six aspects of reality. The only way of becoming stronger than this is by being the writer of the story... like the real life artist writing the storyboard of the series.
Taking "infinite" statements so willy-nilly is never a good idea, and this goes for both DB and the MCU.
Infinite can simply be a hyperbole, and even if it's not, it should not be assumed to mean exactly what you want it to mean.
For example the DB universes might very well be infinite as the guidebooks say, but that doesn't mean they are infinite like a number line; our own universe can be claimed to be infinite as well, if it's hyperbolic and thus bending on itself, thus giving it no boundaries yet still with a finite amount of space.
Not to mention a broly clashed with gogeta pulled the same feat ultron did,which was crashing through multiple realities I state this cz current manga goku is stronger than broly.
I think depends on where they fight. If they fight in the Marvel universe it would be very close cuz that’s where the infinity stones actually work. If it was in the DBZ universe the stones wouldn’t work and goku would beat him.
No Goku could beat how are you idiot Goku can't get IQ because Ultron is beat Goku
Why couldn’t the stones work in dragon ball super?
People love to think that because Goku is 7D he can't lose to anything, Zeno is only 5D and can wipe Goku from existence in an instant, Infinity Ultron is also 5D, and he also has the power to wipe the universe, same as Zeno. So Infinity Ultron Wins no dif
Bru you didn't proof why Goku is not 7d you just a fanboy
Goku neg Ultron
@@charlesilenotuma brother, stop riding Goku's meat. The infinity stones WILL wipe Goku from existence. It's not even a comparison to argue who would win. How about you prove why Goku would win considering he loses to 5D people such as Zeno considering the infinity stones are more powerful than Zeno 💀
@@wooshy8325 first of all zamasu is 7d since he fused with the trunk timeline and mutiverse and trancend it even the the whole dragon ball timeline is beyond marcosum which is a 6d construct zamasu destroy infinite Ultron
Zeno is overkill
infinte stone mutiversal with infinte Ultron
Goku is 6d and complex multiversal
And you know base Goku resist hakia which erase you and every other varieties of you of the timeline only when you have the time ring you are safe you know in dragon ball when someone is stronger than you you can resist there hax it called hax resistance hax is unless when a opponent is stronger than you so no base Goku speedbliz or beat infinte Ultron
Don't start with Goku have varieties with that your stupid logic Superman is 4d because he have infinte varieties and Archie sonic is 4d because he have many many varieties of his self or Galactus is 4d because he have many varieties of his self or comics Ultron having many varieties of his self or comics Thor is 4d because of having varieties of his self in the mutiverse
You what a stupid logic overall Goku one tap infinte Ultron
And r.i.p toriyama..
Now give Goku the infinity stones
Dbz characters are above most of fiction aside from higher beings that are on universe/multiverse level
The match need to be fair. Give Goku a gauntlet of infinity stones too. Then compare them
Meanwhile Goku: With whom am I fighting?
That is actually an incredibly stupid way to look at it
This is why people say "can he beat Goku tho?"
But can goku beat Superman,Archie sonic,Popeye,and etc?
@@fennx4527 ngl, I think he can, since dragon quest has realms that live outside the concept of space and time, this would make the cosomlogy outerversal, and since Dr slump see's dragon quest as a game, this would make the dragon ball humans layers into outerversal, possibly boundless, since the z fighters transcend the humans, this would make Goku many layers into boundless or possibly extraversal, (probably not extraversal since that's beyond boundless)
@@fennx4527 Xeno and cc Goku can
@@fennx4527 if you want some proof ask me
Goku will starve to death also ultron has infinite stamina because hes a cyborg with no lung
Gogeta and broly smash through dimensions but its stated that goku litterally gets WAAY stornger than this later in the manga
sorry but if this is comics no just no goku is not beyond time nor does he does have immeasurable speed it’s literally stated u can by pass hit time skip if ur stronger ultron sheer hax demolishes goku
That still means Goku is stronger than time itself thus Immeasurable speed
@@Casual_Otakuto have immeasurable speed you must be fast enough that your speed transcends time you could be resistant against time which is what I’m assuming when you say he’s stronger than time and if that’s the case he doesn’t have Immeasurable speed but rather his power aways him to be unaffected by time. To have theses speed it can only be because of your speed not due to some power that bypass time or distance like teleporting
@@godversesans5152 if you are beyond time then it means time doesn't applies to you thus you can Move Between it simple
@Dragon_Network being beyond time doesn't mean anything for your speed. A character could be beyond time being able to time travel,stop time go outside of it but still only be able to go 10mph even if you stop time that doesn't even count for inaccessible speed as you're using an ability not just your speed
@@godversesans5152 Goku isn't using his abilities here it's pure speed also if Goku can travel through time itself that does mean he has immeasurable speed
Comics Ultron with Comics Infinity Stones would stomp Goku as long as he kept the fight in the Earth-616 universe. MCU *really* lowballed what all the Marvel characters can do for the sake of "realism", so yeah, I can see Goku taking down Infinity Ultron because MCU Ultron is VASTLY inferior to his mainline comics counterpart.
Finally someone knows truth
i feel like goku will lose just because he can't breath in space and that's a disadvantage the only reason the watcher team didn't die was because of dr.strange abilities and ultron was gonna be a multiversal threat if they didn't stop him with a virus 😂
Goku struggled against Moro fused with 1 planet what is he gonna do against an Ultron that can eat a galaxy…
Your comprehension of morose scaling is stupid. Moro is multiversal
Your Goku downplayer is crazy 😂😂😂
You know nothing about Goku.
Did I lie ?
@@dydy972x4 no you didn't lie you just downplay Goku
Dead zone is 5D
Afterlife 6D
Universe 7 7D
Super Dimension 8D
Gogeta is complex multiversel
With no zamasu meta
Ultron solos no diff
Lmfao Goku is mid tier in Marvel. Lol at thinking Ultron would do something as low as fist fight against a DBZ character. He won't even fight him to beat him. One is dealing with AI and existence. One is a meathead martial artist. You probably think Goku can beat Braniac. Zeno himself is mid tier at best in Marvel. Theres more to it than fist fighting. DB characters cant compete at high level Marvel, forget the heavy hitters. Regular avengers are enough for Goku.
Bro Goku and marvel is not the same fanschise cry fanboy Goku >>>Ultron
Some fools will actually fall for this video man made😹 to bad
Whis said that it takes him 30mins to travel from beerus planet to earth. Goku is slower than him so no he doesnt have immeasurable speed.
It was also stated that the universe is infinite. So everytime they travel, they still cover infinite distance while warping at ultra high speed.
And champa and vados travelled the distance between the living world and kai realm instantly in BoG in the manga. Beerus can erase people from past, future and the present, so he is above time itself giving him immeasurable speed.
But ultron killed the avengers including thor. Goku isn't strong enough to beat Thor. But he's strong enough to kill all infinity stone ultron?
Base Goku > Thor + rest of marvel
@@Casual_Otaku you might be insane
@@megav1022 cope lol
@@Casual_Otaku goku gets no diffed by any high tier marvel character please stop glazing goku so hard lol
@@megav1022 if you can't handle the truth it's not my fault
Do Goku vs gojo
thanos snap???
If goku can survive hakai by just overpowering it, he can survive the snap.