To be honest, this draft class was deep. Everybody is overlooking it because there is not 1 clear stand out, that is because all the players are quality.
@rafaelsantana4905Lonzo had the most busted shot of all time and now shoots 40% from 3 Herb Jones had a busted shot, not shoots almost 40% from three Jaden Ivey is just below league average, could easily boost that up. Vinsons a shot doctor, don't know why you haven't looked at who he's fixed before saying some shit
These are all lottery tickets. If 1/3 can develop a shot, Pistons will be a playoff team. If they can develop 2/3, Pistons will be a title contender. If 3/3... It's parade time again!
Dude is 18 years old and we bitching that he had a down year from 3 challenging himself against grown men on a terrible team at 17 years old? For all that forehead, there ain’t a lot of logic going on We got 60 million in assets we can throw at shooting. Love the pick. Number one overall potential at pick 5. Love it.
If Troy had made this pick all H$!L would've broke loose on this podcast. But, what I did find interesting was when, Trajan said "a lot of agents wouldn't let their players do workouts with the Pistons"......
Watch holland’s season highlights his scoring came from dunks and layups so until they fix that shot let him finish at the rim and block shots and he plays the passing lanes well!
Also, the ignite had essentially as the PG of the team, so all the focus was on him every night. I think he’ll thrive playing off Cade and Ivey where he can just look to score and run the floor
Except teams just won't guard him. It's like Killian all over again. In theory, yeah, he can attack closeouts, but if Duren is already in the paint and Ron's defender is 6 feet off him there is nowhere to go You also can't play Holland and Ausar together at all
@@michaelahurt And they don't need to play Holland and Ausar together yet, and they should replace Duren in the starting lineup with someone who doesn't suck.
@@scottwickett1273 Oh. Well why would you want the ability to play two of your five most talented players at the same time. Duren is fine. Do me a favor, go watch DeAndre Ayton in year 2 then 3. Better yet go watch Jalen Suggs. But we're likely going to add a veteran center. l think NY wants to re-sign Hartenstein so Mitchell Robinson will likely be available. And Atlanta might trade Capela to get under the apron. Valanciunas is also a free agent.
@@michaelahurtwe need two stretch fives. Jonus V and Jalen Smith should be our two top FA targets. We should shop Duren as the guy who doesn't fit. Unless you see him as an All NBA defender we can replace him during his prime for 10m after paying the Detroit Tax.
Tragan said teams didn't even want their player working out for the pistons. This is how bad the old management was with Monty, and Weaver. This is a bad sign for free agency.
GUYS we are drafting at 5…. You draft the highest upside/generational type guy when your drafting that high.You don’t draft a 24 year old shooter in dalton kenecht. He fell to 17 for a reason. If we where picking at 15 or later I would totally get that. But we weren’t.
@@Jamar-lg9ob lmao The only thing about him that is NBA level is his athleticism. He's basically a slightly smaller Jaylen Brown. And Jaylen couldn't even dribble until he was 27.
@@Jamar-lg9ob Everything. Do you not understand how bad 19 year olds are at basketball? He's a below average ball handler, passer, finisher, shooter, shot creator, playmaker, off ball defender ... The only things he does at an NBA level are tied to his athleticism. It takes most rookies three years just to not be below replacement level
Hollinger’s analysis: Yes! I love it! Holland was the No. 1 guy on my board, and I was absolutely perplexed that he was falling so far in mock draft world when his output at G League Ignite was superior to that of several other recent lottery picks. Holland may struggle out of the gate as he works on his shooting and half-court reads, but the Pistons shouldn’t be in win-now mode and badly need a second wing creator to help Cade Cunningham. This is a great pick to start off the Trajan Langdon era in Detroit.
Obviously shooting needs to improve across the board. I think improving shooting in house is better than signing or drafting. Last year we had Bojan, Burks, Morris, and Harris on this team, all i believe came in shooting at least 38% from 3 the previous season. Shooting is not the biggest problem for this team. If you get Ausar and Holland to at least league average, thats two terror hounds on defense, and two super athletic slashing wings that can space the floor
NBA has become a joke!!! You get possibly the best player/ athlete in the entire draft, your future, but we question that because in today's NBA, everyone must shoot 3 ball!??? Skills, athletics, defense....the best combination......a no brainer.....oh no, he can't shoot the 3!! All NBA games look like defenseless " all star games" either 3 or dunk!! No defense, no other skills.....what a joke NBA has become!!??
3s win games. The 18 best 3 point shooting teams made the playoffs or play in. Holland is an athlete and defender but he's not much of a passer or shooter. That's okay for a center but tough to swallow connected to a wing.
Well let's not be obtuse... the reason people are tired of this archetype of player is because we have gotten players that can defend and don't shoot in the past 5 years but they mostly suck, partially due to NO ONE ON THE TEAM being a consistent and reliable shooter. These players hurt others like them that we draft and most importantly Cade because they are an offensive cesspool. Can this pick be a solid player? Absolutely. Will it get realized here? Probably not because the pistons keep drafting and not developing players who can't shoot, so that paint that he loves to score in will have 3 people in it. But the Pistons will spin it just like you did and we'll win 18 games next year🤷🏿♂️
@@pheralanpathfinder4897 I think he's a better passer than what he showed with the ignite. He was asked to take a lot of shots and he was happy taking some really bad shots, but it's not like the passes he did throw were bad or he doesn't see the floor, and I don't think he's a selfish player. In a smaller role and an NBA offense, I think he projects pretty well for his position
Ku, didn't they address spacing last year. They acquired shooters. Joe Harris, Monte Morris, in addition to Bojan and Burks were solid shooters who were expected to be in the rotation. Season got derailed early for a number of reasons including injury.
I think the offers for teams for Clingan had to be somewhat similar to what the Wolves gave up for Dillingham which was a pick swap and 2031 draft pick.
Except those are almost certainly going to be lottery picks, maybe top 5. I don't think the Pistons get anything that good Those picks are after Edwards extension and there's a good chance he's in LA by then and Dillingham is doing his best Dana Barros impersonation on a 20 win team People are going to be SOOO pissed at SA in six years when they add lottery picks to a team with the best player in the NBA
@@brianparsons6203 Minnesota was trading up much higher. The big Clingan team was Memphis who just wanted to move up from 9 I don't think they would have offered an unprotected 2030 pick to move up from 9 to 5. And a Memphis pick isn't as valuable. Probably it was like John Konchar and 9. Maybe Minnesota offered that package to Detroit but I'm not sure it's as valuable to us as San Antonio.
@@michaelahurt Minnesota didn't give up a 2024 pick bud just one way in the future pick. Of course Memphis wouldn't have given up two first rounders either.
With lack of outside shooting how are multiple and duplicate slashers going to slash, turnover city continues. Entire roster needs major overhaul, hope we don't go in circles again.
Bro cannot shoot he is a pure non shooter, that is not excusable in today's nba lmao why do so many people do this every year. We draft a true absolute non shooter, and everyone is like " oh let's give him a chance" lmfaooooooooo. This shit hasn't worked yet why would it now.
The same way that Langdon was secretive about wanting Holland are we sure that Clingan was as highly valued by other teams as he was made out to be? The problem with draft coverages (in any sport) is all the “insiders” have to write articles and pass along rumors gossip and conjecture but no one knows if any of it is true. But if a rumor gets loud enough then everyone seems to just take it as fact, and in reality teams are incentivized to lie and deceive about their true evals b/c they need to be able to make deals.
Yup. Uh huh. Right. I'm absolutely convinced that it must be me or one of a number of fans that just ain't' getting it. Haven't we talked for years that we need a 3 and D-wing and 3 point shooters? That we need Wings who can spread and space the floor to help Cade? Now they've gone and drafted a player shooting 24% from 3. So basically and to paraphrase what's now being said, the narrative is but...but he has High character and is a very hard worker, he can jump out of the gym, he has those twitchy moves, he can get to the cup by creating his own shot, he's Explosive and Dynamic, he has tremendous upside for an 18 yr old. *_He's The Steal of The Draft!_* So in a nutshell, he can't shoot but he can do Everything Else! Great! Yes Ron has awesome traits and skills. No one's arguing that. But the fact is we were *_25th_* in 3-pointers last season. Having said that I'm hopeful that Trajan will laser focus on and address this need down the road. I'm also hoping that Young Holland doesn't suffer the same fate as "some" of our young players in the past being underdeveloped, left in whatever way, and became champions. Great for them not for us. Peace 2 U
I feel like Ron Holland was the best player (potential) available (I would have grabbed Rob) but his EFFORT stood out to me. Especially on D. Pause. This aint KCP!!! Watch your head on the break pause 😳
@rafaelsantana4905 you can not send a top 5 pick to G League it just dumb. he not going to learn anything more than he did last season in the G League. He should not even have been drafted, when this team need post player, rim protectors, and shooter. All the team stats we were in bottom of league and what was causing us to lose games. Most people don't even know what position he is, He listed as a PF, people are saying he is a guard and will start at 2, other are saying he a wing SF/PF combo. That not a good sign. And he isn't a better shooter than Ausar.
I think you bring in nba players/vets through free agency and send Wasser, grimes and maybe Holland or Asaur down to the G league. Trade a young guy if you find a good deal otherwise you utilize the g league and your training staff to work on the younger players you have
That's not how shooting works. Shooting might as well be height. I'm of the opinion that you either can shoot, or you can't. It's almost impossible to coach someone into shooting well who hasn't always been a good shooter. There are 2 guys on this team who can shoot the ball well, the rest are hopeless
@@kwyatt261 I’d say Lonzo and Jkidd are good examples of fixed shots. Ausars form is good. Just needs repetition bt yes in general bad shooters stay bad
Not surprised agents didn’t want want their guy working out with the Pistons. The training and coaching staff has done nothing but decrease young players value in Detroit over the last few years. That means less money for the player and thus the agent.
Front office must engage prospects face to face interview's most important. The optics to your star player matters. Not a good start for a new regime minus the coaches participation
First thought on hearing the pick: They must have gotten atrocious trade back offers. Second thought: Ivey’s gone. Third thought: Maybe Ivey’s not gone and they’ll hire Borrego to run a very inventive, fast motion, dynamic offense. Last thought: Langdon has A LOT of faith in Vinson
@@michaelahurt He's the only one who is good at this point, AND he is the only one point guard on the entire roster. I violently disagree that he doesn't fit now, that doesn't even make sense.
@@scottwickett1273 I was half kidding but Cade's strength is dissecting a defense. He wants to slow down the game and play PnR. The paint is mostly closed because he has a roll man which is why you want shooters who can punish the defenses for leaving them to tag the roll man. Jaden, Ausar and Ron are all athletes who benefit by using that athleticism to pressure opponents to get up and down and then play a drive and kick style system where they can use their athleticism to attack defenders both in one-on-one and against closeouts. Think how Sacramento, Boston and OKC play where the middle is open. It's two _completely_ different styles of offense. And defense since Cade isn't athletic enough to pressure the way those three can
@@michaelahurt Cade can put pressure on a defense when he chooses. He also shoots better than all those guys currently so could be a kick out guy for them who could shoot or drive. Also, you need a change of pace option and someone who can break it down when the fast penetration doesn’t work and you need something to develop.
The other thing too is we don’t just need shooters. We need competent nba players who can shoot, play some defense too. That’s why I’m concerned. That’s not that easy to find for the pistons. Idk how many of those targets are even left. Gary Trent and Tobias along with Marshall maybe
magic could hit a mid range shoot and this is a different league. Trajan said that no teams really wanted to let their draft talent workout for the pistons. So what can we expect from FA. if agent don't even want their players in Detroit. I doubt we fill those holes we need now in FA, no post players, no rim protectors, no shooting. At least in the draft you could of fit some of the things that is going wrong.
@@attichatchsound-bobkowal5328 it also works if you have an elite scorer, that can create his own shot. Which is what i think the pistons feel CADE is, if he not, then this entire rebuild around him want work. Others that can create own shot want get opportunities due to the ball in his hand a majority of the times, that why it didn't work with BEY, GRANT, BOJAN, and so far IVEY.
The Pistons took a swing for the fences with this pick. If the wind is blowing the right way, they may have hit the long ball out of the park. In that case, playoff in spring of 2025! Otherwise, purgatory they remain.
I think the bigger concern with Holland even beyond the shooting is you now have 4 guys for three spots. Yes, you need rotation players, but your five most talented guys can't play together. That is problem. So either Trajan had Buzelis and Holland in different tiers; he doesn't have long term plans for one or both of Ivey and Ausar; or, maybe the scariest based on how New Orleans was built, he believes in the Darryl Morey philosophy that completely disregards fit and prioritizes talent whether it makes the team better or not
@@scottwickett1273 Kind of is. Holland and Ausar are both too small to be backline rim protectors and are better on ball anyway. Which leaves Cade and Ivey as your backline rim protectors, and they are way too small. You of all people think Duren is an atrocious defender, but even if he isn't, he's not a big time rim protector. So that group of players is just too small. They don't have enough size so they don't have enough rim protection or rebounding. And that's before we get to the offense. And if you're paying all those guys $30-50m in 5 years you need them to be able to play together You essentially have to trade one of Ivey, Holland, Ausar for a bigger forward.
@@michaelahurt I definitely want them to trade Ivey (and Duren)! I also think it's too soon to be thinking about five years out in terms of salaries, the roster is certain to change between now and then.
@@scottwickett1273 True but there are still diminishing returns. Giddey is probably a bad example because they got Caruso for him anyway but if you put a player in a bad context it lowers his value and stunts his development.
John Hollinger had him number 1# ...14-68 record.. you go for best player.. highest upside.. and i like Holland . He's going to to be GOOD.. Also..i think Grimes and Stewart are outta here..along with Wiseman, Metu, Brown, Flynn,Fournier and the two way players..
Grimes and Stew are good defenders and fit the timeline. Assuming Grimes recovers from injury they are both good shooters. I don't understand why local media and fans hate on good 3&D players. We need more of them not less.
So if Portland got Deni Avdija for 14 + Brogdan + a 2029 pick swap could we have gotten him for #5? Nevermind. I don't want to know. It hurts too much.
@@scottwickett1273 Brogdan is why Portland had to attach the second pick. That was a salary dump. Washington was doing Portland a favor. So you'd rather have a guy who will be in the G-League next season and has a 70% chance of being Josh Jackson than someone who could actually start at PF for the next 10 years and is a good NBA player right now?
@@michaelahurt Yes, yes I would. I think Holland is awesome and would have taken him #1 overall. And part of this is timing: Deni is a good player on a good contract, but much like the Wiz these Pistons are not going to get good (if they ever do) until that contract is almost over, so they wouldn't really benefit from Cheap Deni at all.
@@scottwickett1273 He can't shoot Him being awesome is _entirely_ predicted on him being able to shoot. Otherwise he's Josh Jackson. They are going to win 35-40 games next season assuming they add 2-3 quality vets and if Cade is as good as we think, 45 the year after. It's not just about Deni being cheap but more than he's exactly what they need which is a bigger Fontecchio-type player. He's also a guy who is good _now_ and can help with the team getting good. Holland won't be good for 3 years.
Today basketball is all about shooting three，that’s the trend we cannot deny. And since everyone chasing for this culture, most of the teams & players lack of the other skills. Paint area judgement, playmaking vision, defense dynamic or intangible abilities etc. So on the other hand, if we can develop an intensive three-quarter or half court defense press, pay more attention on counter attack, we may stop over 60% of the NBA team from our youngster. In order to achieve that, we need energy and defensive mindset. It’s a gamble, but it’s worth to do so. I’m happy to see the ingredients that we have, besides they still can train up their shooting percentage. not playoff this year, but i am seeking for 30 W on the road. chill up guys~💪🏼
@@kwyatt261 OR you have to be able to facilitate opportunities for teammates who CAN shoot 3s. The missing element in Detroit. Can they acquire 3pt shooters? Sure, but the franchise has become so poorly regarded, hard to see 1st rate players wanting to come here.
@@attichatchsound-bobkowal5328 i had the same feeling too. Just believe the front office earth quake may change the execution problems. Besides, we at the lowest point last year, what else can break from there. Let’s hope for one more time! stay tough in mind💪🏼
Agents steering prospects AWAY from Pistons. Yay --- Detroit Pistons is a destination. . to avoid. Langdon will be operating from a position of weakness when dealing with trades/free agency.
We drafted an amazing athlete that can’t shoot. Management has just changed, but I feel like drafted like Troy Weaver would. So we have another player can’t shoot. Incompetent management. There is no hope he shoots 72.6% from free throw line, 24%. From 3, so we got athlete on top of athlete. But, have no trade value. No end to this tunnel. Detroit Basketball has never been more hope less.
@@scottwickett1273 There are 2 players on the entire team who can space the floor. Don't you think they need to address shooting at some point? I know they brought in a good shooting coach, but shooting is more like something you know if you're good at or not at a young age. Training shooting at this level is extremely rare and players who come into the league not being able to shoot and then developing into a shooter are few and far between.
@@scottwickett1273 2 guys out of thousands who have tried. It's rare, difficult, a crap shoot, a risky bet. Bad shooters don't just become good shooters
Stanley Johnson, Ausar Thompson, dombyia all the same, plays d defense can't shoot, in a non defensive playing league centered on scoring, the pistons are dumb, how did those defensive stoppers work out for you when you literally can't touch anyone in the NBA, another bonehead decision, Holland will be iff this team in two years after this experiment doesn't work, oh I forgot defensive players Killian Hayes with no jump shot.
Sekou wasn't considered an elite defender. Most draft picks don't work out for the team who made the pick. But the occasional superstar is what everyone is hoping for.
Ku, I disagree with you on some points. Mature, competing teams may only play 9-10 guys, but developing teams like the Pistons often go deeper. Just have to use rotations not all bench for any extended time. Also, you made it sound like we have no one who can shoot. Fontecchio can shoot, Steward looked like he can shoot, Grimes had been able to shoot, and Cade’s shot has gotten better. If Vinson can develop 1 or 2 guys it ain’t looking bad.
Whole team don't have to be shooters shooting not everything stew Cade fronttechio grimes all average to above average shooters defense more important than shooting usually the team with best defense in playoffs win championship
DeRozan was more advanced as a shooter and shot creator at that age with cleaner mechanics and a softer touch both at and away from the rim. He was a good mid-range shooter with a high release point even then. Holland is not. Of course DeMar's teams have been better when he's on the bench basically his entire career so idk if DeRozan 2.0 is a compliment or insult Although Holland is a better defender and better at drawing fouls on his drives I get the comparison on the surface but I think they are in different tiers in terms of shooting ability.
But Buzelis is 6'10" not 6'7" with better rim protection and rebounding and he at least has a history of shooting well at some point. Plus much better shot mechanics and a soft touch Basketball is about building a team of players who compliment each other
Lol people still think this the same regime is wild. Ausar & Holland locking up JB & JT in 2026 and will be able to knock down spot up 3’s Fred Vinson is REALLY HIM and this’ll be light work. Rob has the right mentality& physical tools to make this work. Dalton knect and all his shooting wasn’t gonna move the needle for us. And Holland is 5 years younger Sorry we couldn’t finesse Derrick white for josh Richardson & get Porzingis for Marcus smart
The players that fit the team the best was the top 3 players that went in the draft the 2 French guys and Reed at 5 I love Ron Holland but he feel like Ausar all over again you have to shoot 3s and we can't so I know more off-season moves happening
I think people need to get off the mindset of "someone has to go" and the idea of core must stay together. I don't think Sasser nor Holland will get that much mins. Grimes might be a 3rd string as well. People are being too dramatic when it comes to current players incoming.... Shooters are coming
Ku. You are rambling. This kid is 18 years old. Wrap your mind around that. He is not Lebron 18. So basically he “ can’t “ help nobody. He a project. Trajan probably won’t be here to see him mature. Potential gets you fired. This guys need to start drafting guys who play 3 to 4 years in college. This up side high ceiling bull crap is ridiculous. Donovan Killigan has two chips but the GM frown on that. This drafting kids is out of control.
That’s what the draft is for. You want older guys trade or pick up in free agency guys that have proven they can play in the NBA. Older college players have less potential and still may not be at NBA level. Goes double true drafting top 5
People are making this way too complicated. Cade, Ivey, Duren, Harris, and Simone. Sasser and Thompson for sure first off the bench. Everyone else is expendable except for Holland, who will be brought along to develop as Harris gets older. Get 2-3 veteran shooters off the bench.
@@pheralanpathfinder4897 No. What's that got to do with anything? The deck was cleared for him before his arrival, and he fucked it all up because he's a stupid clown and the very worst GM who ever lived.
They got money from some shooters. But they get more athletic and more defensive prowess on the team. I’m glad they didn’t take one those goofy looking kids. 😂
I can't wait to see this team as a group avg 25% from 3. This might be even worse than last year. Still no defense, still no shooting, still nothing. This team is gonna be so ass for so long.
Back to back absolute non shooters, we are so cooked. This team has zero shooting. I cannot believe they didn't trade this pick. The spurs traded the 8th pick for two first round picks. Why couldn't we have done that? This front office is already ass af.
To be honest, this draft class was deep. Everybody is overlooking it because there is not 1 clear stand out, that is because all the players are quality.
Fred Vinson will get a statue outside LCA if he can turn Ausar, Ivey and now Holland into just average 3pt shooters
@rafaelsantana4905Herb Jones & Lonzo Ball both were complete non-shooters before Fred Vinson got into their lives.
He won't.
@rafaelsantana4905Lonzo had the most busted shot of all time and now shoots 40% from 3
Herb Jones had a busted shot, not shoots almost 40% from three
Jaden Ivey is just below league average, could easily boost that up.
Vinsons a shot doctor, don't know why you haven't looked at who he's fixed before saying some shit
These are all lottery tickets. If 1/3 can develop a shot, Pistons will be a playoff team. If they can develop 2/3, Pistons will be a title contender. If 3/3... It's parade time again!
@rafaelsantana4905he got help
Appreciate you working late into the night for us Ku. Can't wait to hear more of your thoughts on Trajans direction with the roster.
Can’t wait to see summer league, hopefully coached by Vinson.
The pick is perfect he fit the team needs but still need time to grow. I smell teamwork starts now too heart on our team between cade and Ron Holland
Time to cut it all off KU. That hair line is WICKED!!
😂 💯
Just focus on the beard lol
@@klaw4909he always looks terrible
Pain 22:45
He can still get dreads 💯
Dude is 18 years old and we bitching that he had a down year from 3 challenging himself against grown men on a terrible team at 17 years old? For all that forehead, there ain’t a lot of logic going on
We got 60 million in assets we can throw at shooting. Love the pick. Number one overall potential at pick 5. Love it.
I love it too!
If Troy had made this pick all H$!L would've broke loose on this podcast. But, what I did find interesting was when, Trajan said "a lot of agents wouldn't let their players do workouts with the Pistons"......
100%. People are trying to be positive. They know this some BS
@rafaelsantana4905he’s already started by hiring Vinson.
Cade. Cade had something to do with this pick. Ron said he never tried out for the pistons BUT Ron did say he ran some open runs with Cade....
Reminds me of Kuminga a as a raw rookie.
What good is Tellem if agents are secretly working against us?
Watch holland’s season highlights his scoring came from dunks and layups so until they fix that shot let him finish at the rim and block shots and he plays the passing lanes well!
Trade Duren and get a couple stretch fives?
Trajan Langdon has ensured us of yet another lottery level team this forthcoming season. Holland is 18 years-old and will require 6-years to progress.
This team was guaranteed to be in the lottery next year no matter who they picked lmaooo
We want the lottery for another year anyway the next draft is gonna be stacked
@@acesolo8688 Yet the cycle of collecting 18 year-old and One-and-Done players will keep the Pistons in Purgatory.
We’re rebuilding the rebuild. Tough to swallow but it’s true.
2 years to develop. WE can find a Vet shooter with our salary cap $$$$ -
Also, the ignite had essentially as the PG of the team, so all the focus was on him every night. I think he’ll thrive playing off Cade and Ivey where he can just look to score and run the floor
Except teams just won't guard him. It's like Killian all over again.
In theory, yeah, he can attack closeouts, but if Duren is already in the paint and Ron's defender is 6 feet off him there is nowhere to go
You also can't play Holland and Ausar together at all
@@michaelahurt And they don't need to play Holland and Ausar together yet, and they should replace Duren in the starting lineup with someone who doesn't suck.
@@scottwickett1273 Oh. Well why would you want the ability to play two of your five most talented players at the same time.
Duren is fine. Do me a favor, go watch DeAndre Ayton in year 2 then 3. Better yet go watch Jalen Suggs.
But we're likely going to add a veteran center.
l think NY wants to re-sign Hartenstein so Mitchell Robinson will likely be available. And Atlanta might trade Capela to get under the apron. Valanciunas is also a free agent.
@@michaelahurtwe need two stretch fives. Jonus V and Jalen Smith should be our two top FA targets.
We should shop Duren as the guy who doesn't fit. Unless you see him as an All NBA defender we can replace him during his prime for 10m after paying the Detroit Tax.
@@michaelahurt Because they are children, and we are not there yet.
Ayton sucks!
Tragan said teams didn't even want their player working out for the pistons. This is how bad the old management was with Monty, and Weaver. This is a bad sign for free agency.
VERY bad!
Yeah I peep that too when he said that. Wow,that's crazy.
to add context a lot of agents believe we had too many young guys already and that’s part of why
Not with a Sam Cassell as coach
Nah, not a bad sign for free agency because we will overpay to get guys. Since agents work for a percentage it’s actually better for them.
GUYS we are drafting at 5…. You draft the highest upside/generational type guy when your drafting that high.You don’t draft a 24 year old shooter in dalton kenecht. He fell to 17 for a reason. If we where picking at 15 or later I would totally get that. But we weren’t.
How has that been working for us?
@@c.christopher6115all teams gamble and miss yall complain to much
Nah what u do is trade shit for actual assets and not some bum ass trash mf that won't even be in the nba in 4 years.
@@YourFavoriteCoolCousin we haven't won a playoff game in 15 years and currently have one of the worst teams in NBA history, we don't complain enough
We couldn’t have traded back? I hardly think this team needed another project.
Has a high ceiling because he is a great athlete, but he has a long way to go in his development in the NBA.
Just his shooting
@@Jamar-lg9ob lmao
The only thing about him that is NBA level is his athleticism.
He's basically a slightly smaller Jaylen Brown. And Jaylen couldn't even dribble until he was 27.
@@michaelahurt he got better handle than jb younger than jb was coming in NBA what about him not NBA ready
@@Jamar-lg9ob Everything.
Do you not understand how bad 19 year olds are at basketball? He's a below average ball handler, passer, finisher, shooter, shot creator, playmaker, off ball defender ...
The only things he does at an NBA level are tied to his athleticism.
It takes most rookies three years just to not be below replacement level
Hollinger’s analysis: Yes! I love it! Holland was the No. 1 guy on my board, and I was absolutely perplexed that he was falling so far in mock draft world when his output at G League Ignite was superior to that of several other recent lottery picks. Holland may struggle out of the gate as he works on his shooting and half-court reads, but the Pistons shouldn’t be in win-now mode and badly need a second wing creator to help Cade Cunningham. This is a great pick to start off the Trajan Langdon era in Detroit.
Obviously shooting needs to improve across the board. I think improving shooting in house is better than signing or drafting. Last year we had Bojan, Burks, Morris, and Harris on this team, all i believe came in shooting at least 38% from 3 the previous season.
Shooting is not the biggest problem for this team. If you get Ausar and Holland to at least league average, thats two terror hounds on defense, and two super athletic slashing wings that can space the floor
NBA has become a joke!!! You get possibly the best player/ athlete in the entire draft, your future, but we question that because in today's NBA, everyone must shoot 3 ball!??? Skills, athletics, defense....the best combination......a no brainer.....oh no, he can't shoot the 3!! All NBA games look like defenseless " all star games" either 3 or dunk!! No defense, no other skills.....what a joke NBA has become!!??
3s win games. The 18 best 3 point shooting teams made the playoffs or play in.
Holland is an athlete and defender but he's not much of a passer or shooter. That's okay for a center but tough to swallow connected to a wing.
Well let's not be obtuse... the reason people are tired of this archetype of player is because we have gotten players that can defend and don't shoot in the past 5 years but they mostly suck, partially due to NO ONE ON THE TEAM being a consistent and reliable shooter. These players hurt others like them that we draft and most importantly Cade because they are an offensive cesspool.
Can this pick be a solid player? Absolutely.
Will it get realized here?
Probably not because the pistons keep drafting and not developing players who can't shoot, so that paint that he loves to score in will have 3 people in it.
But the Pistons will spin it just like you did and we'll win 18 games next year🤷🏿♂️
@@richyd4762 Flagg is the goal. But the odds are almost as good if we finish above 5 other teams.
@pheralanpathfinder4897 and the next year the next 1st pick will be the goal, and the year after that...
@@pheralanpathfinder4897 I think he's a better passer than what he showed with the ignite. He was asked to take a lot of shots and he was happy taking some really bad shots, but it's not like the passes he did throw were bad or he doesn't see the floor, and I don't think he's a selfish player. In a smaller role and an NBA offense, I think he projects pretty well for his position
Who's to say if the teams picking at 7 or eight wanted to move up?
It's not just the threes he shot under 30% on all jumpers.
Ku, didn't they address spacing last year. They acquired shooters. Joe Harris, Monte Morris, in addition to Bojan and Burks were solid shooters who were expected to be in the rotation. Season got derailed early for a number of reasons including injury.
I think the offers for teams for Clingan had to be somewhat similar to what the Wolves gave up for Dillingham which was a pick swap and 2031 draft pick.
Except those are almost certainly going to be lottery picks, maybe top 5. I don't think the Pistons get anything that good
Those picks are after Edwards extension and there's a good chance he's in LA by then and Dillingham is doing his best Dana Barros impersonation on a 20 win team
People are going to be SOOO pissed at SA in six years when they add lottery picks to a team with the best player in the NBA
@@michaelahurt top 5? Whoever traded to 5 could have also drafted Dillingham or Clingan so they had to be the same or slightly better.
@@brianparsons6203 Minnesota was trading up much higher. The big Clingan team was Memphis who just wanted to move up from 9
I don't think they would have offered an unprotected 2030 pick to move up from 9 to 5. And a Memphis pick isn't as valuable.
Probably it was like John Konchar and 9.
Maybe Minnesota offered that package to Detroit but I'm not sure it's as valuable to us as San Antonio.
@@michaelahurt Minnesota didn't give up a 2024 pick bud just one way in the future pick. Of course Memphis wouldn't have given up two first rounders either.
But yeah your proposal is probably similar to what they offered.
With lack of outside shooting how are multiple and duplicate slashers going to slash, turnover city continues. Entire roster needs major overhaul, hope we don't go in circles again.
I wish we traded down and drafted him but I like the pick.
I agree 💯 Holland has one of the best upsides in the draft.
Bro cannot shoot he is a pure non shooter, that is not excusable in today's nba lmao why do so many people do this every year. We draft a true absolute non shooter, and everyone is like " oh let's give him a chance" lmfaooooooooo. This shit hasn't worked yet why would it now.
@@limpbizkit699418 year old that will never improve. Got it.
@@limpbizkit6994 who do you think we should have drafted?
@@jrawl the pick should have been traded
Pistons really hate to pick or sign any players that can shoot
Excellent Pick
The same way that Langdon was secretive about wanting Holland are we sure that Clingan was as highly valued by other teams as he was made out to be? The problem with draft coverages (in any sport) is all the “insiders” have to write articles and pass along rumors gossip and conjecture but no one knows if any of it is true. But if a rumor gets loud enough then everyone seems to just take it as fact, and in reality teams are incentivized to lie and deceive about their true evals b/c they need to be able to make deals.
Your right. Griz wanted to move up for Clingan but wasn't willing to offer much because they rated Edey as good enough.
Yup. Uh huh. Right. I'm absolutely convinced that it must be me or one of a number of fans that just ain't' getting it. Haven't we talked for years that we need a 3 and D-wing and 3 point shooters? That we need Wings who can spread and space the floor to help Cade? Now they've gone and drafted a player shooting 24% from 3.
So basically and to paraphrase what's now being said, the narrative is but...but he has High character and is a very hard worker, he can jump out of the gym, he has those twitchy moves, he can get to the cup by creating his own shot, he's Explosive and Dynamic, he has tremendous upside for an 18 yr old. *_He's The Steal of The Draft!_*
So in a nutshell, he can't shoot but he can do Everything Else! Great! Yes Ron has awesome traits and skills. No one's arguing that. But the fact is we were *_25th_* in 3-pointers last season.
Having said that I'm hopeful that Trajan will laser focus on and address this need down the road. I'm also hoping that Young Holland doesn't suffer the same fate as "some" of our young players in the past being underdeveloped, left in whatever way, and became champions. Great for them not for us. Peace 2 U
I feel like Ron Holland was the best player (potential) available (I would have grabbed Rob) but his EFFORT stood out to me. Especially on D. Pause. This aint KCP!!! Watch your head on the break pause 😳
KCP was better as a prospect than Holland. But in this weak draft Ron might be the BPA.
@@pheralanpathfinder4897 I would have taken him at 1 if that's where I was picking!
@@pheralanpathfinder4897 KCP was never the better prospect. From a stats point of view he was way worse in 1st year of college than Ron in G league
Should Holland spend the year on the Cruise?
We have enough cap to fill out the roster.
@rafaelsantana4905 LMAO so send him back to the G-LEAGUE from where he came from. That means this is a horrible pick.
@rafaelsantana4905 you can not send a top 5 pick to G League it just dumb. he not going to learn anything more than he did last season in the G League. He should not even have been drafted, when this team need post player, rim protectors, and shooter. All the team stats we were in bottom of league and what was causing us to lose games. Most people don't even know what position he is, He listed as a PF, people are saying he is a guard and will start at 2, other are saying he a wing SF/PF combo. That not a good sign. And he isn't a better shooter than Ausar.
@@dbuck2862 No, it would mean this is a competent and functional franchise. Holy shit you are the dumbest person alive.
Cracking up thinking of a cade burks bojan Joe Harris lineup
I think you bring in nba players/vets through free agency and send Wasser, grimes and maybe Holland or Asaur down to the G league. Trade a young guy if you find a good deal otherwise you utilize the g league and your training staff to work on the younger players you have
If he would’ve shot 38% from 3 he would’ve been number 1 pick so why not take a chance on him nd help him develop a outside shot
But he didn't.
That's not how shooting works. Shooting might as well be height. I'm of the opinion that you either can shoot, or you can't. It's almost impossible to coach someone into shooting well who hasn't always been a good shooter. There are 2 guys on this team who can shoot the ball well, the rest are hopeless
@@kwyatt261 And I'm of the opinion that you don't know your ass from a fucking hole in the ground.
@@kwyatt261 I’d say Lonzo and Jkidd are good examples of fixed shots. Ausars form is good. Just needs repetition bt yes in general bad shooters stay bad
@@Shortballa11 Herb Jones and Lu Dort too!
Doesn't matter who the Pistons hire, this franchise will be perpetually obsessed with players who can't shoot
Not surprised agents didn’t want want their guy working out with the Pistons. The training and coaching staff has done nothing but decrease young players value in Detroit over the last few years. That means less money for the player and thus the agent.
Holland isn't the answer he is a piece of the puzzle.
Trajan wasn't here last year, but they already picked Holland then. His name is Ausar Thompson.
Front office must engage prospects face to face interview's most important. The optics to your star player matters. Not a good start for a new regime minus the coaches participation
U gotta stop saying your not complaining when your literally complaining 😂😂
Not at all, have questions about what happens after but completely fine with BPA
Called it 😁😎
I'm fine with it I don't believe that drafting to fix Troy's mess is a good plan Trajan drafting his guy is the right move 100%
Jaden Ivey has removed pistons content off his IG 😬😬
Interesting!
First thought on hearing the pick: They must have gotten atrocious trade back offers. Second thought: Ivey’s gone. Third thought: Maybe Ivey’s not gone and they’ll hire Borrego to run a very inventive, fast motion, dynamic offense. Last thought: Langdon has A LOT of faith in Vinson
5. Maybe Cade is gone because he's the guy who doesn't fit now
@@michaelahurt He's the only one who is good at this point, AND he is the only one point guard on the entire roster.
I violently disagree that he doesn't fit now, that doesn't even make sense.
@@scottwickett1273 I was half kidding but Cade's strength is dissecting a defense. He wants to slow down the game and play PnR. The paint is mostly closed because he has a roll man which is why you want shooters who can punish the defenses for leaving them to tag the roll man.
Jaden, Ausar and Ron are all athletes who benefit by using that athleticism to pressure opponents to get up and down and then play a drive and kick style system where they can use their athleticism to attack defenders both in one-on-one and against closeouts. Think how Sacramento, Boston and OKC play where the middle is open.
It's two _completely_ different styles of offense.
And defense since Cade isn't athletic enough to pressure the way those three can
@@michaelahurt Cade can put pressure on a defense when he chooses. He also shoots better than all those guys currently so could be a kick out guy for them who could shoot or drive. Also, you need a change of pace option and someone who can break it down when the fast penetration doesn’t work and you need something to develop.
@@michaelahurtthat's probably the bench mob. Great defense not much scoring. Hopefully Cade Duren will have three 3&D guys.
Can the Pistons be a top 10 defense in the league
The obvious next evolution in nba basketball is going to revolve around athletic wings that can guard.
The other thing too is we don’t just need shooters. We need competent nba players who can shoot, play some defense too. That’s why I’m concerned. That’s not that easy to find for the pistons. Idk how many of those targets are even left. Gary Trent and Tobias along with Marshall maybe
He can’t shoot he plays like Michael Kidd Gilchrist
Stanley Johnson
@@The313dash Stanley Johnson couldn't jump, you must be the dumbest person alive to think this is a reasonable comparison.
The surest points is a lay up or dunk he can that well nuff said magic. Couldnt shoot 5 rings nuff said
magic could hit a mid range shoot and this is a different league. Trajan said that no teams really wanted to let their draft talent workout for the pistons. So what can we expect from FA. if agent don't even want their players in Detroit. I doubt we fill those holes we need now in FA, no post players, no rim protectors, no shooting. At least in the draft you could of fit some of the things that is going wrong.
All teams that have had success in the past 10+ years have great 3 pt shooting nuff said.
@@attichatchsound-bobkowal5328 and they had a post player, that generates double team to free up shooter.
Drawing double teams to free up a shooter only works if you have a shooter.
@@attichatchsound-bobkowal5328 it also works if you have an elite scorer, that can create his own shot. Which is what i think the pistons feel CADE is, if he not, then this entire rebuild around him want work. Others that can create own shot want get opportunities due to the ball in his hand a majority of the times, that why it didn't work with BEY, GRANT, BOJAN, and so far IVEY.
The Pistons took a swing for the fences with this pick. If the wind is blowing the right way, they may have hit the long ball out of the park.
In that case, playoff in spring of 2025! Otherwise, purgatory they remain.
I think the bigger concern with Holland even beyond the shooting is you now have 4 guys for three spots.
Yes, you need rotation players, but your five most talented guys can't play together. That is problem.
So either Trajan had Buzelis and Holland in different tiers; he doesn't have long term plans for one or both of Ivey and Ausar; or, maybe the scariest based on how New Orleans was built, he believes in the Darryl Morey philosophy that completely disregards fit and prioritizes talent whether it makes the team better or not
That's not a concern, nor a problem.
@@scottwickett1273 Kind of is.
Holland and Ausar are both too small to be backline rim protectors and are better on ball anyway. Which leaves Cade and Ivey as your backline rim protectors, and they are way too small.
You of all people think Duren is an atrocious defender, but even if he isn't, he's not a big time rim protector. So that group of players is just too small. They don't have enough size so they don't have enough rim protection or rebounding.
And that's before we get to the offense.
And if you're paying all those guys $30-50m in 5 years you need them to be able to play together
You essentially have to trade one of Ivey, Holland, Ausar for a bigger forward.
@@michaelahurt I definitely want them to trade Ivey (and Duren)!
I also think it's too soon to be thinking about five years out in terms of salaries, the roster is certain to change between now and then.
@@scottwickett1273 True but there are still diminishing returns.
Giddey is probably a bad example because they got Caruso for him anyway but if you put a player in a bad context it lowers his value and stunts his development.
John Hollinger had him number 1# ...14-68 record.. you go for best player.. highest upside.. and i like Holland . He's going to to be GOOD..
Also..i think Grimes and Stewart are outta here..along with Wiseman, Metu, Brown, Flynn,Fournier and the two way players..
Why would they trade Stew? He is the second-best player on the team.
Grimes and Stew are good defenders and fit the timeline. Assuming Grimes recovers from injury they are both good shooters.
I don't understand why local media and fans hate on good 3&D players. We need more of them not less.
I thought he was the most NBA ready player. Hopefully we develop him and the shooting coach gets him together. 🙏🏾
So if Portland got Deni Avdija for 14 + Brogdan + a 2029 pick swap could we have gotten him for #5?
Nevermind. I don't want to know. It hurts too much.
I like Deni a lot, but I wouldn't trade Holland for him, AND the Pistons don't have a vet as good as Brodgon to send out.
@@scottwickett1273 Brogdan is why Portland had to attach the second pick. That was a salary dump. Washington was doing Portland a favor.
So you'd rather have a guy who will be in the G-League next season and has a 70% chance of being Josh Jackson than someone who could actually start at PF for the next 10 years and is a good NBA player right now?
@@michaelahurt Yes, yes I would. I think Holland is awesome and would have taken him #1 overall.
And part of this is timing: Deni is a good player on a good contract, but much like the Wiz these Pistons are not going to get good (if they ever do) until that contract is almost over, so they wouldn't really benefit from Cheap Deni at all.
@@scottwickett1273 He can't shoot
Him being awesome is _entirely_ predicted on him being able to shoot. Otherwise he's Josh Jackson.
They are going to win 35-40 games next season assuming they add 2-3 quality vets and if Cade is as good as we think, 45 the year after.
It's not just about Deni being cheap but more than he's exactly what they need which is a bigger Fontecchio-type player. He's also a guy who is good _now_ and can help with the team getting good.
Holland won't be good for 3 years.
@@michaelahurt They are not going to win 35-40 games next year, that's absurd.
Today basketball is all about shooting three，that’s the trend we cannot deny. And since everyone chasing for this culture, most of the teams & players lack of the other skills. Paint area judgement, playmaking vision, defense dynamic or intangible abilities etc. So on the other hand, if we can develop an intensive three-quarter or half court defense press, pay more attention on counter attack, we may stop over 60% of the NBA team from our youngster. In order to achieve that, we need energy and defensive mindset. It’s a gamble, but it’s worth to do so. I’m happy to see the ingredients that we have, besides they still can train up their shooting percentage.
not playoff this year, but i am seeking for 30 W on the road.
chill up guys~💪🏼
But he has multiple flaws.
I had your mindset the past couple of years. " Going to Work" v2. I' ve learned it can't happen in the current NBA. No 3s, no success.
Yeah, I just don't see it. You have to shoot the 3 lots and well to be good in this league
@@kwyatt261 OR you have to be able to facilitate opportunities for teammates who CAN shoot 3s. The missing element in Detroit.
Can they acquire 3pt shooters? Sure, but the franchise has become so poorly regarded, hard to see 1st rate players wanting to come here.
@@attichatchsound-bobkowal5328 i had the same feeling too. Just believe the front office earth quake may change the execution problems. Besides, we at the lowest point last year, what else can break from there. Let’s hope for one more time! stay tough in mind💪🏼
Brad Holmes
Keep brad out this!!
Ku Khalil aka MegaMind . Come on Home brother
As the roster stands now we will be a historically bad shooting team this year
Agents steering prospects AWAY from Pistons. Yay --- Detroit Pistons is a destination. . to avoid. Langdon will be operating from a position of weakness when dealing with trades/free agency.
moving back and taking Cody Williams instead isnt a big drop off
Brick City
We drafted an amazing athlete that can’t shoot. Management has just changed, but I feel like drafted like Troy Weaver would. So we have another player can’t shoot. Incompetent management. There is no hope he shoots 72.6% from free throw line, 24%. From 3, so we got athlete on top of athlete. But, have no trade value. No end to this tunnel. Detroit Basketball has never been more hope less.
He's awesome, and this was a great pick.
@@scottwickett1273 There are 2 players on the entire team who can space the floor. Don't you think they need to address shooting at some point? I know they brought in a good shooting coach, but shooting is more like something you know if you're good at or not at a young age. Training shooting at this level is extremely rare and players who come into the league not being able to shoot and then developing into a shooter are few and far between.
@@kwyatt261 It's not rare at all, there are lots of examples that prove your assertion false. Herb Jones and Lu Dort are two that come to mind.
@@scottwickett1273 2 guys out of thousands who have tried. It's rare, difficult, a crap shoot, a risky bet. Bad shooters don't just become good shooters
@@kwyatt261 There are lots more. You are fucking ignorant.
Pistons fans wanted another Luke Kennard it we got an actual player I’m so happy y’all don’t get it cause y’all never do
1st Listen...what's up Ku. I won't lie, I know absolutely nothing about any of these players. So with that said, we'll see. Stay up Ku.
The hardest guy to guard is a guy that can take u too the hole!! If u know basketball this is why magic was so great! Magic didnt need a jump shot!!
This ain’t the 80s tho
The game is so different than when Magic played man. Shooting is a requirement so the people who can get to the hole have the spacing to do so.
Face it, management is clueless. There is always next year..
If you’re a pistons fan I feel bad for you 😂😂
Again Ku…you show us YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. You are just a bitter fan with a mic and a camera bro. But you are consistent.
You keep watching tho
Satisfaction guaranteed, or your money back!
Betting your future on a shooting coach is wild to me.
Who’s the shooting coach? I bet is not Mahmoud Abdul Rauf or Ray Allen
@@herbwash3139 It's Fred Vinson, one of the only two shooting coaches famous enough to have name recognition (Chip Engelland is the other one).
@@herbwash3139 Vinson he coached in NO. People think he's gonna save the team.
Stanley Johnson, Ausar Thompson, dombyia all the same, plays d defense can't shoot, in a non defensive playing league centered on scoring, the pistons are dumb, how did those defensive stoppers work out for you when you literally can't touch anyone in the NBA, another bonehead decision, Holland will be iff this team in two years after this experiment doesn't work, oh I forgot defensive players Killian Hayes with no jump shot.
No they fucking are not, this is amazingly stupid.
Sekou wasn't considered an elite defender.
Most draft picks don't work out for the team who made the pick. But the occasional superstar is what everyone is hoping for.
Ku, I disagree with you on some points. Mature, competing teams may only play 9-10 guys, but developing teams like the Pistons often go deeper. Just have to use rotations not all bench for any extended time. Also, you made it sound like we have no one who can shoot. Fontecchio can shoot, Steward looked like he can shoot, Grimes had been able to shoot, and Cade’s shot has gotten better. If Vinson can develop 1 or 2 guys it ain’t looking bad.
Whole team don't have to be shooters shooting not everything stew Cade fronttechio grimes all average to above average shooters defense more important than shooting usually the team with best defense in playoffs win championship
You don't need everyone to be a scorer but most your defensive specialist need to make open threes.
Ron Holland is Demar Derozan 2.0.
The ability to drive and break defense is a talent.
People fixated in shooting curry sucks.
Hard to break the defense when you aren't good at passing.
We just drafted Diallo 2.0
Hopefully this one learns to shoot.
Did u say demar like that’s a good thing?
Stanley Johnson 2.0
Curry sucks? You've lost all credibility with those 2 words
DeRozan was more advanced as a shooter and shot creator at that age with cleaner mechanics and a softer touch both at and away from the rim. He was a good mid-range shooter with a high release point even then. Holland is not.
Of course DeMar's teams have been better when he's on the bench basically his entire career so idk if DeRozan 2.0 is a compliment or insult
Although Holland is a better defender and better at drawing fouls on his drives
I get the comparison on the surface but I think they are in different tiers in terms of shooting ability.
People wanted buzelis but Ron holland is a no… neither of them shot good but Ron holland out scored him and out defended him on the same team.
But Buzelis is 6'10" not 6'7" with better rim protection and rebounding and he at least has a history of shooting well at some point. Plus much better shot mechanics and a soft touch
Basketball is about building a team of players who compliment each other
Sign Klay and Trent jr💯
Lol people still think this the same regime is wild.
Ausar & Holland locking up JB & JT in 2026 and will be able to knock down spot up 3’s
Fred Vinson is REALLY HIM and this’ll be light work. Rob has the right mentality& physical tools to make this work.
Dalton knect and all his shooting wasn’t gonna move the needle for us. And Holland is 5 years younger
Sorry we couldn’t finesse Derrick white for josh Richardson & get Porzingis for Marcus smart
The players that fit the team the best was the top 3 players that went in the draft the 2 French guys and Reed at 5 I love Ron Holland but he feel like Ausar all over again you have to shoot 3s and we can't so I know more off-season moves happening
This team is a disaster and will be the the worst team in the league for the 3rd straight year. I feel sorry for Cade
I think people need to get off the mindset of "someone has to go" and the idea of core must stay together. I don't think Sasser nor Holland will get that much mins. Grimes might be a 3rd string as well. People are being too dramatic when it comes to current players incoming.... Shooters are coming
10:25 this dummy wanted us to pick a guy we don’t want and hope somebody traded for him
Ku. You are rambling. This kid is 18 years old. Wrap your mind around that. He is not Lebron 18. So basically he “ can’t “ help nobody. He a project. Trajan probably won’t be here to see him mature. Potential gets you fired. This guys need to start drafting guys who play 3 to 4 years in college. This up side high ceiling bull crap is ridiculous. Donovan Killigan has two chips but the GM frown on that. This drafting kids is out of control.
That’s what the draft is for. You want older guys trade or pick up in free agency guys that have proven they can play in the NBA. Older college players have less potential and still may not be at NBA level. Goes double true drafting top 5
Wow Eric, you're really stupid!
Imagine a lineup with Ausar and Holland smh that’s nasty work !! No jumpers. Cade shouldn’t sign
We now have an identity…. For the first time in like 8 years atleast we know Trajan’s plan is to bring in defenders
Except Ausar and Ron can't actually be on the court at the same time.
It doesn't matter if you have a 110 defense if the offense only scores 102
@@michaelahurtthey don’t need to be and holland shot might not be as bad as stats show, he won’t be taking pull up or step backs in the nba
I wanted the Pistons to trade down and draft Dalton Knecht. Mark my words, every team that passed on Dalton he will make all of them pay.
There is a better chance he will be out of the NBA in 4 years
LA is a good fit though. His defense doesn't matter because they have AD
This franchise has been shitty for so long whats another five years lol. Just dont expect me to watch this dumpster fire till it gets better.
Think duren a good shooter not being let to take shots good forum fs
Another asar why ?
People are making this way too complicated. Cade, Ivey, Duren, Harris, and Simone. Sasser and Thompson for sure first off the bench. Everyone else is expendable except for Holland, who will be brought along to develop as Harris gets older. Get 2-3 veteran shooters off the bench.
Why is Sasser on this list?
Should’ve drafted Matas or Knecht. Holland was a waste. We didn’t need him.
You're wrong, this was a great pick!
Looks like the pistons are building around jaden Ivey
Wait, wut?
no shooting . the one and only shooter in this class is Reed Sheppard
Ausar all over again, athletic plays defense can't score a basket to save his life, need shooters we get the same thing.
Tell me you have definitely never watched Ron play without telling me you have definitely never watched Ron play.
@@scottwickett1273 He can get to the basket, but his shooting numbers and shooting form are horrible. Vinson can't make this guy a shooter
@@kwyatt261 Strongly disagree. I think you are totally and provably wrong.
@@scottwickett1273 alright man, we'll see I guess. I have zero faith in making bad shooters good or even decent.
Good grief, another 5 yrs of rebuilding.
It's not Langdon's fault that Weaver ruined everything.
@@scottwickett1273did Weaver trade for Blake Griffin?
@@pheralanpathfinder4897 No. What's that got to do with anything?
The deck was cleared for him before his arrival, and he fucked it all up because he's a stupid clown and the very worst GM who ever lived.
They got money from some shooters. But they get more athletic and more defensive prowess on the team. I’m glad they didn’t take one those goofy looking kids. 😂
I can't wait to see this team as a group avg 25% from 3. This might be even worse than last year. Still no defense, still no shooting, still nothing. This team is gonna be so ass for so long.
Holland is known for defense. The spacing will be a problem. Hopefully that will be addressed in FA and trades
Tidjane Salune was a great shooter, and a perfect fit , so hush 🤐
Bro I haven't watched you in a lil while, what happened to your hair and your hairline? This is not it
Good analysis of pick tho!
Back to back absolute non shooters, we are so cooked. This team has zero shooting. I cannot believe they didn't trade this pick. The spurs traded the 8th pick for two first round picks. Why couldn't we have done that? This front office is already ass af.
No, this was a great pick.
@@scottwickett1273 I think he was a good pick for what was available. The fact that the pick wasn't traded is my issue.
@@limpbizkit6994 There may not have been any trade offers, we have no way of knowing.
They keep drafting Hammidou Diallo clones after cutting Hammidou. Should have traded down.