Really enjoy watching the Podcasts Ku. Always a great listen and i love the passion you have for this team just like me. Keith is always a great guest as well. great ep
I’d be happy with Lonzo. He isn’t gonna be the shooter he was before, but he has worked with Vinson and Trajan before , he can run the floor while Cade is on the bench and a lineup with him as the main facilitator while Sasser , Beasley and Ron in the line up doing Fastbreak would be great! Plus his defense is a fit with Detroit.
Lonzo is intriguing if he can regain his athleticism. His three point shooting is the part of his game I'm confident will return as it's just a matter of spending time practicing.
Great job Keith!!! Pistons will absolutely use the Cap space!!! Acquire draft capital and make a trade or 2 around the margins..Keep a close eye on the THJ contract especially!
A player that is under the radar I wouldn’t mind is Davion Mitchell. He is not a great shooter but is ok. He is a good playmaker and pressures the ball on defense.
If Troy would have done this, we could have moved Bogie when Knicks wanted him really bad and had multiple 1st rounders. Lets not make the same mistake and hold on to the vets too long.
I live in Wisconsin as a Pistons fan. Last year Beasley sucked on the Bucks, this year much better, good choice to take him. This year, Pat Connington sucks. He used to be good, but has gone downhill since last year. Don’t waste your money on him. He’s been benched for most of this season so far.
I disagree. I think Ausar and Holland are just young. They will be players that don’t just grow on trees, but it’s not this year. I wouldn’t move either of the + Cade. Ivey was also coming around, but his weak D and Ausar and Rom make him moveable for the right pieces.
This is not the deadline to go for it! Develop and play the youngsters more..Ausar/Holland/Bobi! Reality is that the Bulls are tanking...Sixers are banged up and suck...which leaves more than likely the 9th seed for the Pistons! Having lost Ivey who really was playing well was a big hit! Pistons can't give up any draft capital or young players!
They can definitely give up Duren because he stinks, and I don't even particularly care about the trade return as long as they don't pay him to be Drummond 2.0 (i.e. shitty forever).
It depends on what is available and at what price. Show me a team that has successfully built a contender solely developing their own draft picks. Moves are required.
@@cordelldemattei5446 I think probably the only one you can point to is OKC literally drafting three MVPs: they did make a finals before stupidly messing it up by trading Harden.
@@pheralanpathfinder4897 And he should keep doing those sorts of moves, yes. (The Hardaway trade was good, I said it at the time and still believe it to be true.)
@@cordelldemattei5446 Yes, and if I was a Wolves fan I would still be fine with that move because I don't think they were ever gonna win big with Towns, and because Ant is young enough that they can still maneuver even if it meant taking a step back this year.
the plans should be : resign beasley do not trade for Lavine, Ingram, MPJ, Kuzma, Ayton, Beal or any other large contract players trade for someone to make the roster better like Cam Johnson, Sexton, Collins, Hunter, Markannen, Vucevic, Simons, Gafford Tobias, THJ, Tek, and a few picks should 100% be traded if we would get an upgrade, Sasser, Ivey and Duren they should only trade if its a BIG move but otherwise, they should hold onto them Stew, Holland, and Ausar are way too valuable to trade away imo, they provide good contributions on the court as well as so much energy and grit, hold onto them for now and let them develop
There are not any players on the block that I would want the Pistons to give up assets for. Ingram(injury prone), Lavine(injury prone and too expensive), Beal(too expensive, and NTC), etc. Most of the guys who are on the block have big red flags to me. I would trade for Butler if you only have to give up Harris, THJ and some 2nds for a 1 year rental for a playoff push. This would give the Pistons a quality player to get into the playoffs and get the young guys some good experience. If Butler declines his option next year, the Pistons would have a ton of cap space. If he picks it up, they can trade him, or carry him into next season and hope the young guys make a leap and with Butler maybe they can actually make a little noise in the East.
@@scottwickett1273 I agree. I don't want them to do it. But if you can get him for pennies on the dollar its less terrible. 2nd round picks and expiring contracts would be worth the 1 year rental to give them more help in the playoffs. THJ and Harris aren't part of the long term anyway. But its unlikely they could get Butler for this cheap. The Heat will keep him and let him walk for nothing before they trade him for nothing.
@@RobustMustache It would not be worth the half-year rental because it's not worth the disruption, and making the playoffs THIS year does not matter at all when you still have a terrible roster with only one (1) good player. They need to get MORE assets, not give them away.
@@scottwickett1273Buying is a risk but a couple seconds to shed the Tobias contract wouldn't be terrible. The East is so bad we might stumble into the playoffs even after taking on bad contracts for draft picks.
I don’t know haw you have a show about cap space, bring up the Pelicans multiple times and don’t even mention Zion. Even if you are not interested in him, being a third party providing cap relief to facilitate his movement the situation needs to be brought up.
@@scottwickett1273yes, maybe all 29 teams aren’t interested in an immense talent on a contract that is not guaranteed unless he makes weight and minimum games played targets. But, even if that is true, Zion still needs to be mentioned as a possibility at the trade deadline just because he is being so obviously shopped and does have such talent.
@@cordelldemattei5446the contract counts against the cap during FA and deadline trades. Plus being a third team is the same from the Pistons perspective no matter what players are going to other teams.
They need help. Cade was just BAD the last two games, clearly not a leader. I cant remember last time i watched a game where the refs were so PRO one team and they still didnt manage to win. Mr. turnover was at it again, horrific shooting, 3PT non existant. Luckily his court vision is great so he manages to find the open guy but if you stop him going right ( to those high of the board layups he does so well ) hes weak. KUkulich not a mention of the last two games, imagine they won there would be 6 Cade Allstar videos.
mind you, Cade wheeled us to a win against the Knicks. yes these two games were bad, but he’s shown he can lead this team. Cade’s experiencing what Luka gets every night: blitzed all game. Cade’s playing through that type of defense plus the need to carry the team offensively. He is a leader and with that, we go as far as he takes us. He stunk up two games so the Pistons stunk up two games. Getting a secondary scorer like Colin Sexton or one of the fringe all stars we always talk about, you’ll see Cade not get tired throughout the game. if not, he’ll have to figure it out and do it by himself.
@@dmg326 Yes, he has good games, ofcourse, as a player of his capability should but hes hot and cold, dissapears late in games, has no consistency. Hes been at it long enough to get to that reliable upper level ( where everyone constantly puts him ). Hes the best player on the team by far so ofcourse he gets blitzed and double teamed,( who they gonna press?Ausar?Fontecchio? ) all nba players find a way as you said. I just dont like the overhype, but then again, i guess he is the bright spot in that horrible organisation.
@@eduardolacerda9139 Nice one. Label everyone that disagrees with you a hater, USA style. Only bball you ever played was probably on the couch, classic KU fan.Keep on...
Who cares what the fanbase wants. They are kids. This is a billion dollar industry. If they are listening to kids, who probably have debt, and have never ran an institution, then we are doomed. Move Stew if its necessary. Fans arent even going to games. Let alone should influence any trades.
@@scottwickett1273 I’d say just start tanking again at this point we’re not good enough as is and one MID player is not gonna change our destiny probably gonna miss the play in tournament by a couple games. A waste of time
@@bridgelion4968 I actually think they will make the play-in because of how terribly things are going in Philly and Chicago; my funniest idea is to sit Cade out of the play-in game(s) to make sure they keep their pick!
These pods with Keith Smith are next level. Go Front Office. Big time appreciate it homie.
Man I Love Keith Smith , one of several of the big heads that actually watch the team. So I Love his views and knowledge.
Whaaaat you got Keith smith let’s go!! I love this Dude!
Keith is always an awesome guest.
Really enjoy watching the Podcasts Ku. Always a great listen and i love the passion you have for this team just like me. Keith is always a great guest as well. great ep
Your choices on collaboration with so many people is amazing ku your doing great and told you the pistons are going to the playoffs
Pistons are going to need some help to win a play in game or two. Hopefully Trajan will add the right people
Shout out to Keith for showing ❤💯
Very informative.with reasoned basis. Great questions.
Great pod Ku enjoyed it
Great conversation guys!!!
10/10 podcast episode
Great ep!
Go Keith Go.. master cap Hugh level❤
I’d be happy with Lonzo. He isn’t gonna be the shooter he was before, but he has worked with Vinson and Trajan before , he can run the floor while Cade is on the bench and a lineup with him as the main facilitator while Sasser , Beasley and Ron in the line up doing Fastbreak would be great!
Plus his defense is a fit with Detroit.
Lonzo is intriguing if he can regain his athleticism. His three point shooting is the part of his game I'm confident will return as it's just a matter of spending time practicing.
@@pheralanpathfinder4897 He's retired, he misses every other game and shoots poorly when he does play.
@@scottwickett1273 Lonzo is still rehabbing from injury. While he might be Blake after the Pistons, it's not impossible that he'll recover.
@@pheralanpathfinder4897 He is already exactly Blake after the Pistons.
Great job Keith!!! Pistons will absolutely use the Cap space!!! Acquire draft capital and make a trade or 2 around the margins..Keep a close eye on the THJ contract especially!
Malik has more trade value. I wouldn't be surprised if he's moved.
A player that is under the radar I wouldn’t mind is Davion Mitchell. He is not a great shooter but is ok. He is a good playmaker and pressures the ball on defense.
I thought about him as well could get him for cheap
Excellent call..Good player...ploays really hard and can run the offense
If Troy would have done this, we could have moved Bogie when Knicks wanted him really bad and had multiple 1st rounders.
Lets not make the same mistake and hold on to the vets too long.
Great pod
Ivey is missed..
Really think BI, Cam Johnson and MPJ are your main options to look at during the season. You hope you can get maybe a miles turner in the offseason
I live in Wisconsin as a Pistons fan. Last year Beasley sucked on the Bucks, this year much better, good choice to take him. This year, Pat Connington sucks. He used to be good, but has gone downhill since last year. Don’t waste your money on him. He’s been benched for most of this season so far.
I think that's the point. Pistons take Bucks garbage to get a pick.
Ku, are you going to be happy that there shouldn’t be Jared Goff chants after that performance?
I'm happy to hear no more Goff chants. It was embarrassing and makes Detroit less appealing to FA.
And I'm a life long Lions fan.
@kukhahil bro continuing to call it "Spoe-track" instead of "Spot-track" for Keith is like introducing "Trey-John" Langdon on your podcast
Try getting a small position with the pistons organization. You can build your way to a fo role
We got a team full of players who grow on trees. Who can’t get traded?
Only Cade.
@ exactly. We’re basically HOARDING MID PLAYERS
@@bridgelion4968 Yep. It will be interesting to see what Langdon does with this mess.
I disagree. I think Ausar and Holland are just young. They will be players that don’t just grow on trees, but it’s not this year. I wouldn’t move either of the + Cade. Ivey was also coming around, but his weak D and Ausar and Rom make him moveable for the right pieces.
Cade, Ivey, and Ausar are untradeable right now for a variety of reasons.
Does he rn the sungzun tigers
No, Keith, the hope is that Langdon is not stupid enough to want Ingram!
C'mon, man.
This is not the deadline to go for it! Develop and play the youngsters more..Ausar/Holland/Bobi! Reality is that the Bulls are tanking...Sixers are banged up and suck...which leaves more than likely the 9th seed for the Pistons! Having lost Ivey who really was playing well was a big hit! Pistons can't give up any draft capital or young players!
They can definitely give up Duren because he stinks, and I don't even particularly care about the trade return as long as they don't pay him to be Drummond 2.0 (i.e. shitty forever).
It depends on what is available and at what price. Show me a team that has successfully built a contender solely developing their own draft picks. Moves are required.
@@cordelldemattei5446 I think probably the only one you can point to is OKC literally drafting three MVPs: they did make a finals before stupidly messing it up by trading Harden.
@@scottwickett1273they refused to pay Harden after going to the WCF. I wonder if their owner learned his lesson?
We don’t want Pat Connaughton lol
But we might want the attached draft pick. Trajan gave away Grimes for a couple seconds
@@pheralanpathfinder4897 And he should keep doing those sorts of moves, yes.
(The Hardaway trade was good, I said it at the time and still believe it to be true.)
Sheesh go sign LiAngelo Ball for the free ball we don’t need much if it’s about chemistry
Because we don’t have enough guys injured?
@ we don’t got a good ball handler off the bench. And nobody for Cade to ply off ball when teams wanna double team him
@@bridgelion4968 but there is a reason he’s not on an nba team.
@ because he got in trouble overseas. What’s the reason Bronny is on an NBA roster?
@@bridgelion4968 Gelo isn't on a team because he's not good enough to be in the NBA.
The Pistons finally seem to be coming together. Don't screw it up just to make a trade. The Timberwolves found that out the hard way.
Anyone could see trading Ranke for KAT was a step down. Was more about the money, not just making a trade.
@@cordelldemattei5446 Yes, and if I was a Wolves fan I would still be fine with that move because I don't think they were ever gonna win big with Towns, and because Ant is young enough that they can still maneuver even if it meant taking a step back this year.
Trading for Sheed was a bigger disaster. Teams should never try to improve.
@@pheralanpathfinder4897 This is an especially impertinent strawman, you're better than this.
the plans should be :
resign beasley
do not trade for Lavine, Ingram, MPJ, Kuzma, Ayton, Beal or any other large contract players
trade for someone to make the roster better like Cam Johnson, Sexton, Collins, Hunter, Markannen, Vucevic, Simons, Gafford
Tobias, THJ, Tek, and a few picks should 100% be traded if we would get an upgrade,
Sasser, Ivey and Duren they should only trade if its a BIG move but otherwise, they should hold onto them
Stew, Holland, and Ausar are way too valuable to trade away imo, they provide good contributions on the court as well as so much energy and grit, hold onto them for now and let them develop
There are not any players on the block that I would want the Pistons to give up assets for. Ingram(injury prone), Lavine(injury prone and too expensive), Beal(too expensive, and NTC), etc. Most of the guys who are on the block have big red flags to me.
I would trade for Butler if you only have to give up Harris, THJ and some 2nds for a 1 year rental for a playoff push. This would give the Pistons a quality player to get into the playoffs and get the young guys some good experience. If Butler declines his option next year, the Pistons would have a ton of cap space. If he picks it up, they can trade him, or carry him into next season and hope the young guys make a leap and with Butler maybe they can actually make a little noise in the East.
Trading for Butler would be every bit as stupid as trading for all those other guys.
@@scottwickett1273 I agree. I don't want them to do it. But if you can get him for pennies on the dollar its less terrible.
2nd round picks and expiring contracts would be worth the 1 year rental to give them more help in the playoffs. THJ and Harris aren't part of the long term anyway.
But its unlikely they could get Butler for this cheap. The Heat will keep him and let him walk for nothing before they trade him for nothing.
@@RobustMustache It would not be worth the half-year rental because it's not worth the disruption, and making the playoffs THIS year does not matter at all when you still have a terrible roster with only one (1) good player.
They need to get MORE assets, not give them away.
@@scottwickett1273Buying is a risk but a couple seconds to shed the Tobias contract wouldn't be terrible.
The East is so bad we might stumble into the playoffs even after taking on bad contracts for draft picks.
@@pheralanpathfinder4897 I really don't expect them to trade Tobi this season.
My hope is they are last play inn team sweeet spot we’re hawks we’re get #1 pick
Only about 2% chance for a top pick. But picking around ten would still have value.
@@pheralanpathfinder4897 Yes, I'm really talking myself into that 10-12 range!
I don’t know haw you have a show about cap space, bring up the Pelicans multiple times and don’t even mention Zion. Even if you are not interested in him, being a third party providing cap relief to facilitate his movement the situation needs to be brought up.
Perhaps the implication is (and should be!) that zero teams out of 29 are gonna want him.
@@scottwickett1273maybe, but that is wrong.
@@cordelldemattei5446 You don't know if it's wrong or not, as you said yourself: maybe!
@@scottwickett1273yes, maybe all 29 teams aren’t interested in an immense talent on a contract that is not guaranteed unless he makes weight and minimum games played targets. But, even if that is true, Zion still needs to be mentioned as a possibility at the trade deadline just because he is being so obviously shopped and does have such talent.
@@cordelldemattei5446the contract counts against the cap during FA and deadline trades.
Plus being a third team is the same from the Pistons perspective no matter what players are going to other teams.
They need help. Cade was just BAD the last two games, clearly not a leader. I cant remember last time i watched a game where the refs were so PRO one team and they still didnt manage to win. Mr. turnover was at it again, horrific shooting, 3PT non existant. Luckily his court vision is great so he manages to find the open guy but if you stop him going right ( to those high of the board layups he does so well ) hes weak. KUkulich not a mention of the last two games, imagine they won there would be 6 Cade Allstar videos.
mind you, Cade wheeled us to a win against the Knicks. yes these two games were bad, but he’s shown he can lead this team.
Cade’s experiencing what Luka gets every night: blitzed all game. Cade’s playing through that type of defense plus the need to carry the team offensively. He is a leader and with that, we go as far as he takes us. He stunk up two games so the Pistons stunk up two games. Getting a secondary scorer like Colin Sexton or one of the fringe all stars we always talk about, you’ll see Cade not get tired throughout the game. if not, he’ll have to figure it out and do it by himself.
@@dmg326Don’t even waste your time with that guy, clearly a hater
@@dmg326 Yes, he has good games, ofcourse, as a player of his capability should but hes hot and cold, dissapears late in games, has no consistency. Hes been at it long enough to get to that reliable upper level ( where everyone constantly puts him ). Hes the best player on the team by far so ofcourse he gets blitzed and double teamed,( who they gonna press?Ausar?Fontecchio? ) all nba players find a way as you said. I just dont like the overhype, but then again, i guess he is the bright spot in that horrible organisation.
@@eduardolacerda9139 Nice one. Label everyone that disagrees with you a hater, USA style. Only bball you ever played was probably on the couch, classic KU fan.Keep on...
@@zane6439-z6g I'm not labeling you a hater, I'm labeling you a stupid person who does not understand what you're looking at when you turn on a game.
Who cares what the fanbase wants. They are kids. This is a billion dollar industry. If they are listening to kids, who probably have debt, and have never ran an institution, then we are doomed.
Move Stew if its necessary.
Fans arent even going to games. Let alone should influence any trades.
Fans DON'T influence any trades, Lol.
No one is gonna pay Beasley besides us
Why do you think that?
@ He’s a streaky player. He was on a championship team and got released or traded. Clearly not as valuable as we think
@@bridgelion4968 That's why they should trade him at the deadline!
@@scottwickett1273 I’d say just start tanking again at this point we’re not good enough as is and one MID player is not gonna change our destiny probably gonna miss the play in tournament by a couple games. A waste of time
@@bridgelion4968 I actually think they will make the play-in because of how terribly things are going in Philly and Chicago; my funniest idea is to sit Cade out of the play-in game(s) to make sure they keep their pick!
Trade everybody to get LaMelo and Cade on the same team
This is the worst idea I have ever seen.
@ I’m kidding. Just tired of hearing about BRANDON INGRAM who hasn’t played the last 25 games
@@bridgelion4968 That's good to hear! And I 1000% agree with you about Ingram, nobody should want him or his next contract.