Ancient Greek Alphabet · ὁ Ἀλφάβητος · Ancient Greek in Action!
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- Опубліковано 9 жов 2024
- This video uses the Lucian Pronunciation of Ancient Greek, for which see this video about Lucian Pronunciation: • Lucian Pronunciation o...
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Έλληνες φίλοι, σε αυτό το βίντεο δεν χρησιμοποιώ την παραδοσιακή σχολική προφορά της Αρχαίας Ελληνικής, εκείνη που χρησιμοποιείτε και γνωρίζετε στην Ελλάδα σήμερα. Αυτή η συμβατική προφορά ονομάζεται η 'Λουκιανή Προφορά' ( • Lucian Pronunciation o... ). Είναι διαφορετική προφορά από αυτή που έχετε συνηθίσει. Η Λουκιανή Προφορά είναι μια (υποθετική) ιστορική αναδημιουργία του ήχου των Αρχαίων Ελλήνων κατά τη Ρωμαϊκή Αυτοκρατορία. Σας ευχαριστώ για την υπομονή και την κατανόησή σας. 🇬🇷 😊
Errāta: the slides in the video should have the spelling Ἀλφάβητος. Please pardon this error.
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🇬🇷 Έλληνες φίλοι, σε αυτό το βίντεο δεν χρησιμοποιώ την παραδοσιακή σχολική προφορά της Αρχαίας Ελληνικής, εκείνη που χρησιμοποιείτε και γνωρίζετε στην Ελλάδα σήμερα. Αυτή η συμβατική προφορά ονομάζεται η ‘Λουκιανή Προφορά’ ( ua-cam.com/video/Dt9z5Gvp3MM/v-deo.html ). Είναι διαφορετική προφορά από αυτή που έχετε συνηθίσει. Η Λουκιανή Προφορά είναι μια (υποθετική) ιστορική αναδημιουργία του ήχου των Αρχαίων Ελλήνων κατά τη Ρωμαϊκή Αυτοκρατορία. Σας ευχαριστώ για την υπομονή και την κατανόησή σας.
🇬🇷 😊
I'm sorry that you have to put disclaimers such as this one so that modern greek speakers don't try to "correct" you.
@@andreasi8741 Hehe thanks, but it's okay! Greeks are passionate about their heritage. They deserve to know that something they guard tightly is being respected and admired by non-Greeks such as myself.
And besides, over the years of restoring the phonologies of ancient languages, I've learned *everyone* has an opinion. 😃And if people are willing to engage in a civil and open discussion about the issues at hand, I say they're entitled to express their opinion as well. Who knows - I sure don't have all the answers - their unique perspective might open my horizons to new ideas I had not considered.
Εἰρήνη τε καὶ pāx omnibus Quirītibus, I say. 🕊
Ευχαριστώ για το βίντεο και τις εξηγἠσεις. Θα εἰχες ὀμως την καλοσύνη να το ηχογραφήσεις με την ελληνικἠ προφορἀ ἠ να μου το στείλες να το κάνω εγώ παρακαλὠ; aigialos@gmail.com
Καλά βρε φίλε, κουλαρέ... δεν θα σε δείρουμε κιόλας 😉😂 δεν χρειάζεται να δικαιολογηθείς ...
βασικά έτσι όπως προφέρεις το υ μου θυμίζεις καθαρά Γερμανό, δεν ξέρω αν είσαι, aber gut gemacht.
The best pronunciation I have heard and I think this is the most accurate (I’m also Greek)
Ευχαριστώ πολύ! 😃
Well it's the most accurate after Alexander the great
@Real Aiglon one thing is save. The Erasmus pronouniation that all Europeans use is completely wrong
I just realized that o micron and o mega mean small O and big O. In Spanish we have something similar, we have "B larga" (long B) and "V corta" (short B)
He teaches Greek, in Latin.
He is...
The Most Interesting Man In The World.
He is speaking ancient greek
He teaches ancient Greek in ancient Greek. But yeah. He's also able to speak Latin fluently. I'm jealous.
There's this new thing called a joke; you should check it out.
@@slappy8941 idk if I can trust you but if that was a joke, it surely went over my head
Actually, @Slappy is correct. I have only seen the pre-lesson and the first lesson so far, but the pre-lesson uses Latin to teach Greek.
Timely as always dear Luke, just yesterday I decided to begin with Ancient Greek, thank you so much!
Oh how exciting! More videos are coming soon.
Have a good start!
I've been learning Latin, and I wanted to learn ancient Greek too, so I have come here, and I love it! Also, I always wandered why library in Spanish is biblioteca, now I know it has come from ancient Greek.
As it is in Norwegian, Swedish and Danish too (via Latin, though).
I am learning Latin also and just started leaning greek to accompany that :)
What a beautiful reconstruction of koine pronunciation which is so very pleasing to my modern ears yet preserves metre. I might use it myself from time to time. Εξαίρετος!
Ευχαριστώ πολύ! 😃
Came here for clarity on Omicron, plus letters used in my maths research. Always love your videos, delighted to find this for some pointers! Though I think my colleagues might get confused if I start saying πεῖ instead of "pie"! Many thanks!
I just finished this series, and all that I have to say, Luke, is "Wow!" This series was extremely well done and obviously created and executed with the greatest care. I have been sneaking glimpses into the Italian Athenaze and, to my delight, with every video the first chapter became increasingly less opaque and more "natural" feeling to me. I simply "understand" what a word means now; I'm not going back to the Athenaze UK or trying to decipher Italian through Spanish to get meaning. Thank you for all of your hard work and for making the Classical world accessible to us all!
Vale!
Πολύ ωραία που μιλάς με αρχαία προφορά τόσο καλά! Είναι ενδιαφέρον πόσους ήχους έχουν αλλάξει. Μπράβο και καλή συνέχεια!
Η Λουκιανή προφορά που επινόησες είναι το βέλτιστο σύστημα που έχω δει. Προ πάντων είναι οικεία ακουστικά για τον νεοέλληνα ομιλητή και μοιάζει φυσική. Σε αντίθεση με την επικρατούσα.
Σε ευχαριστώ πάρα πολύ, Μόκιε! 😃 Θα κάνω περισσότερα βίντεο σε αυτήν την προφορά. Ἔρρωσο!
I would LOVE to learn ancient Greek, Latin, and Biblical Hebrew (and hopefully I will). Just the idea of acquiring the ability to read Virgil, Homer, and the Tanakh in their original tongues brings such a feeling of overwhelming joy. However, I am currently studying German, and I don't want to split my energies into multiple languages, especially since I have never studied languages before. Hopefully I can learn the Classics within 20 years or so. Luke, your pronunciation is beautiful. And thank you for making these ancient languages more accessible. Again, thank you.
Thank you so kindly! You're quite generous. There will be time for all your pursuits!
@@ScorpioMartianus You're quite welcome.
I am studying maths in university and it made me realised how wrong I always pronounced Greek letters,I shall show this to my classmates and profs.I will try to learn the correct pronunciation now.Thanks for the video.
plural of math is math
@@servantofaeie1569 "maths" is Rightpondian.
When I'm talking math in English, I use the Greek names of Greek letters, pronounced 450-650 AD which is how I normally pronounce Greek, *except* π, which I name in English, because the Greek name sounds like the English name of p.
I havent tried pronouncing greek since highschool. So I am glad that I succeeded in remembering! Next I will have to find some practice material to start re-working my greek again. I wanted to learn it conversationally. Something new I learned though, was With Mu and Nu. I was under the impression of pronouncing it like Pi, so Mi and Ni. Glad I learned an improvement thank you! I came from Xiaoma
Συγχαρητήρια! Es la primera vez que oigo este tipo de pronunciación. Algunas cosas me generaron dudas, pero veo que estás muy informado y que todo tiene su razón de ser. Ya me suscribo. :-)
Finally i found the best channel to learn real hellenic language! Thank you alot!
You’re most welcome! Thank you for being a part of this 😊
Thanks alot! Latim and hellenic i like alot! Sure to me, as portuguese speaker, latim is most easy to learn, but i really loves Greece and Roman Empire, so i am really deep to learn it! I think in 5 or 6 years i would be speaking very good these both languages! The language, to me, is the most important value that defines a people as nation and in respect of my iberic ancestors, i should learn it soon as possible! When i to have some money soon, because i am poor, i will donate to you keep up your fantastic job! Gratias! Vale!
Your explanations are great. Keep posting more videos about ancient Greek, please.
More to come! The next one is tomorrow. Thanks!
Thank you Luke.
who else is from the "science student who knows all the letters still doesn't know how to read the script" gang
Please reverse the order of the videos in the playlist so they play in episode order and we don't have to hunt and peck for the correct next one. Nice videos!
Ohh you're doing Ancient Greek in the LLPSI style :D so cool
Hey brother! Decided to adopt this pronunciation technique. Your vast amount of resources via videos you post is outstanding. I am working through Athenaze and would like to join this community. Can you private message me and explain which tier of your podcasts I should start with? I am in first year of study of Ancient Greek, but never been so addicted to a subject. Almost makes me rethink Math grad school! But having kids, I do need a good career as well. Anyway, I am a serious student and would like to join in on this. Let me know the best way to start!
chris wright hey Chris! Ah that’s super nice of you man. Thanks so much. Great to hear! And yeah, an easy way to get in touch with me is via my Discord channel, the link for which is in the description. If you have trouble with that let me know. If you’re new to Discord it’ll take a bit of getting used to but it’s super useful
I checked the chart and found that my pronunciation is a mix of 450 and 650 AD (e.g. I pronounce τις as /tis/ and της as /ti:s/, but η lost its length before it was iotacized). I use this for anything from Euclid (and maybe before) to modern, unless I'm talking other dialects (I say ή την ή επι της that way, but not η ταν η επι τας) or about sound changes, or turning calm water into a weasel. This is an anachronism, but nowhere near /zd/x/. How would I sound to Euclid, to a modern Greek, and to someone who pronounces ancient Greek differently?
I do feel the urge to ask you: what are some of your favourites words (when it comes to sound) for both latin and Greek (pick your own era of pronounciation)....and keep up the great work...
Mine, btw, is Prorsus. It makes me feel like a surfer or something. “Totally dude! Right on!”
I like ouk and oux.
Thank you so much for this!!
Did those circumflex accents sound just like acutes in some places, or was that just me? I had heard that the circumflex was analogous to a sort of rising-falling tone. Anyways, awesome pronunciation video! I never knew that "phi", "chi", "pi", etc. were originally spelled with "epsilon+iota" (making a strong case for that diphthong's Lucian quality), but it's great to know how all these letters are called in their original language. Keep it up!
Thanks!
For the circumflex, it depends on what follows. There is good discussion here; go to Pronunciation of the Accent: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Greek_accent#:~:text=It%20is%20generally%20agreed%20that,but%20not%20necessarily%20any%20louder.
A circumflex is a long vowel, two morae, in which the first mora is higher than the second. It only appears to rise due to the natural prosody of the phrase. Japanese has a very similar phenomenon.
The lower mora of the circumflex may be repressed by what follows. See the link above.
i just learned that Selemene the DotA 2 videogame lunar goddess comes from greek Σελήνη
Hello. Mr. ScorpioMartianus, I have been studying Ancient Greek since this spring and was taught by book that X x us pronounced with K sound but here you pronounce it with H. Can you explain this?
Also I am struggling much with φ. Can you explain this sound? I pronounce it as Ph with aspiration after P sound. But in my native language this aspiration doesn't exist so I am really struggling with aspiration. How should I learn to pronounce this? On its own I can manage quite good but as soon as it is in a word, everything falls apart and I fail spectacularly.
His pronounce is late Roman, not classic
Hi Nomado! I think I answer all your questions in this video about the Lucian Pronunciation of Ancient Greek: ua-cam.com/video/Dt9z5Gvp3MM/v-deo.html Please watch it, then ask your next question here and we can go from there. 😊
Also, see my spreadsheet on the changing phonology of Ancient Greek: bit.ly/ranierigreekpronunciation
And my presentation on this topic as well:
ua-cam.com/video/c_Giy_LHAlU/v-deo.html
Once you see the first video I posted, you may agree that standard Lucian Pronunciation is easier to use consistently than the Classical Attic circa 5cBC of aspirated χ θ φ. Chinese, Korean, and Indian speakers tend to be pretty good at doing the aspirated/unaspirated consonants, but few who use most European languages today. That's why I recommend Lucian Pronunciation for nearly all students of Ancient Greek.
Seu método de ensino é muito bom!
About 19 years ago when I began trying to learn Attic Greek in a small class using Athenaze, our teacher handed out a way to sing the alphabet with a few extra phrases so that it fit the tune of "Jesus Loves the Little Children." It seemed easier than trying to squish the letters into what we English speakers know as The Alphabet Song a.k.a. Twinkle Twinkle, Little Star a.k.a. Baa Baa Black Sheep. I can't remember the extra phrases for the middle section, or I'd share it here, sorry!
> Goes to work
> Trying to pronounce Greek stuff correctly
> Happy Pee Day everyone!
> everyone: wut
Okay I'll show myself out
For real great video though!
you are amazing, thank you so much. I hope all good befalls you as long as you live and in the afterlife!!! tu jam summum bonum senecae pervenisti :D
Thanks! Grātiās!
I love how your adding basic questions to your alphabet video. One question, It sounds like your saying "τι εστι" instead of "τι εστιν", does this mean you believe that the ν was mostly not used in the Koine era, or that there is a specific reason you drop the ν off in this particular speech pattern?
Actually the ν is generally made a part of the word in all contexts in Koine.
Actually I am pronouncing the ν but lightly.
No it is because the next word " tuto" (pardon me for not having a greek keyboard right now nor blame me oversimplifying the word, since i don't know it so much) begins with a consonant.
So "ti esti tuto" instead of "ti tuto estin"
There was an h sound, that eventually was split into two diacritic marks, for the smooth breathing and the rough breathing.
See Wikipedia: Ancient Greek phonology
Spelling of /h/
So, ancient Greek: Ὄλυμπος, with the smooth breathing.
With a sound like, hall, could that have meant, Hall of the gods, of authority, like in , imposition, or the modern French, impôt, meaning, tax?
Back around 1200BC, people entered Greece from the north. Could the rough and smooth breathing be like northern speech, for example, Dutch, 'g', which is like 'h'; and 'ch', which is like Scottish, 'ch', as in, loch?
Does a a separate video exist with the alphabet song?
Can you release the alphabeta-song in from the end as an mp3 file? 😃
Can you teach us how to differentiate the long and short vowels when writing? Like how can I tell if it's ε or η?
Nice videos man
Thank you!
Engineering: the only Course that uses all the letters the Greeks invented, even the Digamma, and still nobody gets the sound right. Then you get a piece of genuine Greek happiness and top marks from a 60-years-old, Kefalonian Mechanics professor because you remembered a video from Scorpio and didn't get a single letter wrong.
Wow! 😃 Did that really happen, Gabe? If so I’m so glad my video was helpful!
@@ScorpioMartianus Yup! It happened. I was as surprised as you are :D
Bravo! Well done. Thanks for the story! Good luck on your classes.
Thank you for your work!
This reminds me of the mnemonic I used to teach my little cousins spanish, I would get a marker and write the word "queso" on their fingertips to show them a very simple phrase "que es eso, eso es queso"
Τι ειναι αυτος αυτος ειναι το τυρι
I dont know if what I wrote should be ειναι or εστιν though.
I wonder is it ok to learn classical latin and greek at the same time or is it an overkill. About 3 momths ago I bought some grammar (with texts aswell) book and dictionary for latin. Now I am waiting for shipment of Familia Romana, the book you recommended. I read a lot about ancient history overall and would like to read for examples life of caesars in original, but also I would like to learn ancient greek. Do you think that it's a good idea to learn these languages at the same time?
You can! But I think you'll be happier if you spend 3 months on mastering Familia Romana. It makes Greek easier.
Thank you for the answer! So I will try and focus on my latin first.
Looking for an Ancient Greek program (beginning) Any recommendation? Thank you!
We teach at ancientlanguage.com !
Θέλετε μήπως να σας στείλω εγώ το αρχείο σε mp3 για να ετοιμἀσετε εσείς την ελληνικἠ παραλλαγή; Ευχαριστώ πἀλι. Δώσ᾽τε μου ἐνα mail. Το δικό μου aigialos@gmail.com
Salve, Scorpio, which litterature do you recommend to learn ancient greek?
Great question! To *begin* you should use an introductory book like the Italian version of Athenze or Alexandros to Ellenikon Paidion or perhaps a more traditional book like Ancient Greek Alive (one of my favorites). You'll see more videos soon too. Also I have resources on my Patreon page:
Listen to more Ancient Greek audio on my Patreon page:
• Readings of the book Alexandros (Ἀλέξανδρος τὸ Ἑλληνικὸν παιδίον) www.patreon.com/posts/38310000
• Reading Greek course taught in Latin:
www.patreon.com/posts/36375877
• Athenaze:
www.patreon.com/posts/36186862
brilliant
Salve Luci! Do you use the modern Greek pronunciation in this video? I've only started learning ancient Greek recently so I'm asking completely out of curiosity. Thank you!
He made a separed video on his pronounciation ua-cam.com/video/Dt9z5Gvp3MM/v-deo.html
so in modern greek M is pronounced "mee" and in ancient its "mü"?
Correct
most accurate ancient greek pronounciation ever heard. p.s i'm greek.
Γεια σου! Ευχαριστώ πολύ!
Hi! I have a few questions. Regarding gamma, delta, beta, in your spreadsheet, they seem pronounced as normal voiced consonants in the pre-500 period, but gamma is only considered /g/ before back vowels. Before front vowels, nothing. Does that mean it was a /g/, or that it doesn't appear before a front vowel until 300 B.C.?
Was ei (epsilon iota) pronounced as a diphthong in Homeric Greek?
Why is it thought that upsilon was a /u/ before a /y/?
What does the little apostrophe under a vowel do again?
Finally, I seem to remember there are two "apostrophe-like" symbols, (Italian students call them "spirito dolce" and "spirito aspro"). One of them clearly represents a /h/, what about the other?
Thanks again, Magister!
Hi! I'm not Luke but I worked with him on the spreadsheet so I should be able to answer your questions:
1) It's not that γ didn't appear before front vowels, it's that probably by the 3rd century BCE it began to have a different pronunciation depending on whether it was before a front vowel or a back vowel. So, in English or Italian, the sounds /k/ and /g/ are more or less the same before both front vowels like /i/ and /e/ as well as back vowels like /o/ or /u/. In modern Greek these sounds have a palatalized pronunciation before front vowels, and this probably began in the Koine period.
2) ει in classical comes from two etymological sources: one is inherited long /eː/, originally written εε, and the other is a diphthong /ei̯/. What happened is that first, /ei̯/ smoothed out into a long /eː/. Then, all instances of /eː/ began to be spelled ει whether they came from a historical diphthong or a historical long e, because it was a convenient way to write this sound. Then finally /eː/ merged with long /iː/, which is the pronunciation Luke is using. The same process occurred for ου. This mirrors modern Japanese, which usually writes ō and ē with the hiragana equivalents of and .
3) We know the original pronunciation of υ for a number of reasons. Firstly, in some ancient dialects such as Boetian it never fronted and remained /u/, which we know because they spelled it ου under Attic influence. Secondly, the semivocalic /u̯/ value of υ was retained in Attic in the diphthongs like αυ or ευ, and its use to represent long oː in the digraph ου makes no sense if its original value were fronted. Finally, it corresponds to /u/ in other Indo European languages. Compare Old English 'wulf', Latin 'lupus' and Greek 'λύκος', which all stem from the same proto Indo European root.
4) The 'spirito aspro' or 'rough breathing' represents /h/. The 'spirito dolce' or 'smooth breathing' represents nothing, or rather it represents the absence of /h/.
@@Philoglossos Moreover on υ, in some southern dialects, where Standard Modern Greek has υ, they say and write ου, e.g. ξουρίζω for ξυρίζω, τρούπα for τρύπα, σκούλος for σκύλος etc. The same is observed in Tsakonian.
Ciao Zeno! Buone domande. Sì hai ragione, i γ δ β probabilmente erano solo /g/ /d/ /b/ durante il secolo classico (5 sec. a.C.) in tutti o molti dialetti e nella maggior parte delle posizioni (anche ante le vocali anteriori), che poi pian piano diventano fricative, prima fra le vocali, poi dappertutto eccetto dopo le lettere nasali.
Il digramma ει entra nella lingua scritta nel 403 a.C. grazie alla riforma di Euclideo. Prima si scriveva solo ε, per esempio la desinenza dell’infinito: -ειν era invece -εν. Anche la η si scriveva ε. C’era anche un vero dittongo ει in qualche parola, ma più rara. Poiché il suono del dittongo ει era già /e:/ nel 5 secolo a.C., e la ε lunga si pronunciava anche /e:/, l’ortografia fu adatta a scrivere i due ει.
Riguardo all’Omerico, sì, qualche ει erano veri dittonghi, ma altri erano infatti ε longa ossia raddoppiata. Fu anche il digamma /w/ nell’Omerico che non si scrive. Il problema è che la nostra ortografia per il greco antico è perlopiù Koine con influenze dell’Attico Classico, migliorata attraverso invenzioni bizantine come le minuscule, punteggiatura, ecc. Quindi se vogliamo pronunciare il greco come Homero, dobbiamo per forza riscrivere tutti i testi con le lettere che non ci sono più come il digamma, e risolvere quali ει eran dittongi e quali no.
Le epiche vengono apprezzate bene, forse ancora di più dopo il pre-classico, quindi secondo me va bene usare una pronuncia Attica Classica o Koine (sempre con le vocali lunghe ritenute, come nella mia pronuncia, la Luciana). Almeno così arriviamo ad un suono che esisteva nella storia.
Ed hai ragione, lo spirito aspro si sente nel video nella parola ὁδός, mentre lo spirito dolce di ἀγρός vuol dire l’assenza del /h/. Se non mi sbaglio, vengono usati a comunicare l’inizio di una nuova parola, perché gli spazi fra le parole non erano ancora universali nell’epigrafia.
Poi υ : nei dialetti del greco in Italia, prima e durante la Repubblica, abbiamo parole imporrate in latino, come guberātor < κυβερνήτης , e varie altre. Osserva anche inglese wolf < wulf, latino lupus, greco λύκος
Grazie per il commento! 😊
@@Michail_Chatziasemidis True, though in Tsakonika and other modern dialects this seems to actually be underlyingly /ju/ resulting from the diphthongization of /y/. For instance you have λιουκο for λύκος.
@@Philoglossos I haven't met anything like that. Could you please tell me more?
First, I just want to say that your pronunciation is absolutely beautiful, especially when you nail that pitch accent (Japanese has trained my ear well, lmao)
That being said I noticed a few mistakes in pitch accent, 3/4 follow the same pattern, so perhaps it's something to pay mind to in the future:
These all follow a pattern where you accent the long vowel instead of the iota (the exception being the first one where the iota is part of a diphthong and you accent both syllables with high pitch, kinda like a Japanese 平板 word)
1:15 ελαία -> ελαίά
2:30 καρδία -> καρδιά
3:50 παιδίον -> παιδιόν
Also there's this anomalous one where it sounds like you accent the long vowel
4:06 έρρωσο -> ερρώσο
Just something to keep in mind. Pitch accent is hard, but it sounds really good when you nail it! Can't wait to hear some more from you! 😊
Thanks!
I don’t think that this is the case. I am consistently applying pitch accent often mixed with stress like Serbo-Croatian. You may be perceiving accent where there is long vowel. You know Japanese, as I do, but these are features of Japanese as well
Does it change the way we pronounce the greek ph, th and z in latin too ? By the way, beautiful video !
Thanks! 😊 That would be a matter of preference. Z of course already has this value in Latin.
Hi. What is the meaning of ερρωσο? I couldn't find it in classical or modern Greek.
It's indeed Classical! It means "farewell" and it comes from the verb ῥώννῡμι.
@@ScorpioMartianus Ok, I see it now. A second person perfect imperative! Thank you.
Why do you speak α, β, γ, and δ in modern Greek, but in other things the ancient Greek pronunciation is lost? How so?
This is a pronunciation of Greek from around the 2nd century CE, so it has some features in common with classical greek and some features in common with Modern Greek.
I’m in physics and I knew everyone was saying these wrong!
θάλασσα or θάλαττα ????
Great!
What are the ~'s and other marks above certain letters?
diacritics
Tu sei un mito vivente amico
Sei bravissimo
The name of the letter "Ypsilon" in classical times had spiritus lenis as far as I know: "ὖ". Is this different in Roman times after they added the "ψιλόν"?
This video has connections to my brain that I did not know existed. 😳
What does Σίφος mean? Sword?
Any other recommendation to learn the alphabet?
Hi Mesh! I think I need to make more videos to help people with this. But I would be grateful for feedback. What part of the alphabet is difficult at present?
@@ScorpioMartianus I think the hardest part for me at least is when they are together even though I am comfortable with individual letter
I am speaking Ancient Greek with Ι. Κραφτ
I am speaking Latin with Luke Amadeus Ranierius
Don't watch this unless you want to get hooked on yet ANOTHER language.
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WHAT!? That 3rd letter sounds like the Classical Hebrew letter 'Oyin! Its lower case even looks like the Aramaic ע-ayin.
It sounds like modern Greek gamma, not like either Semetic language
@@ScorpioMartianus I musn't have listened right, then. I thought I was hearing a voiced uvular fricative.
@@Yamikaiba123 Gamma is voiced velar fricative; Ayin is voiced pharyngeal fricative or approximant. When these sounds are foreign to us we tend to not hear them or produce them consistently; such was the case with Ayin for speakers of Greek (and so, also down to us in English), hence, Gomorrah and Gaza, but Amalek and Engedi.
@@rebeccavave3998 Yes! But (I've been told that) 'Ayin had more than one phoneme assigned to it, before Classical Hebrew, like those letters (BGDKPT) that currently welcome Dagesh Qal.
The two phonemes survived separately in different communities. The uvular 'Ayin, I read, existed in the Middle-East not so long ago, but was not as common as the velar 'Oyin. I wonder if some communities instead assigned the missing phoneme to Gimel (since some of them DO pronounce G the same as the uvular 'Ayin... whereas modern Hebrew pronounces Resh this way 😶)
In Rome, I think an intermediate of the two phonemes survived among Italqi Jews:
'Ayin as ~ " ng'Ayin "
What accent do the more conservative of the Orthodox Greeks read the Bible?
If you mean Greeks today, they just use the Modern Greek Pronunciation.
@@ScorpioMartianus Yes, that is what I mean. Thanks for replying.
Have you ever of thought of researching on which Modern Greek Language is the closest to the ancient Greek .Also would you ever do a video about Tsakonian,the only modern greek language that descents from Doric?
There aren't many modern Greek languages. They mostly are dialects, although some analyses characterize Tsakonian as a separate language and others as a dialect.
@@Michail_Chatziasemidis and what's the difference between a language and a dialect? Other than politics, of course? :P
Wow so many changes from nea ellenika
Cūr "sescentās" grātiās? 600 = multās?
Right! 600 is often used for lots and lots while we use 1000 in English.
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I don't know why but I found the τρία τέκνα bit so funny
Great!
How to pronounce upsilon?? /u/ or /i/??
Hi there! It’s a sound in between. In IPA it’s [y]. This is the sound of ü in German süß or u in French lune. See: ua-cam.com/video/lzn9PZ2SFWE/v-deo.html
How would this be received by Greeks if Johnny Foreigner were to pronounce modern Greek this way?
The question is moot, since Ancient Greek is a completely different language from Modern Greek, just as Latin is from Spanish, and Russian from Japanese. While aesthetic opinions are informative, ultimately the notion that the ethnic or linguistic descendants have a superior opinion is incorrect.
@@ScorpioMartianus I enjoy your videos, hard work and passion and I find them extremely infromative and very well put. I beg to differ in this section of the reply of yours that "ancient Greek is a completely different language than modern Greek such as Russian is from Japanese". This is a poor statement used in propaganda from people that hold the position that there is no continuity between ancient Greece and modern Greece. All the best, with respect.
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What do the diacritics mean?
lengths, accents, aspirations.
Συχνά όταν μιλάω με φίλους και γνωστούς περί του δίγαμμα και φέρνω το παράδειγμα του ρέwω -> ρεύμα με κοιτάνε απλώς και δε λένε τίποτα😆
Χαχαχα
Εὖγε.
Χάριν σοι ἔχω!
this is Lucian pronunciation right? i want one with the most archaic pronunciation (like with pʰ tʰ kʰ d u b instead of ɸ θ x ð y β)
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Koine?
See the description
Sounds beautiful. No one can confirm old pronounciation and it doesnt matter. Speaking spanish doesnt mean imitating a foreign dialect, just as spaniards dont speak english with english dialects.
Pronuntiatio satis sera.
Vīdistīn meam pelliculam super Prōnūntiātiōne Lūciānā?
@@ScorpioMartianus Non feci, sed facturus sum.
@@pasqualetortorella4559 Grātiās. 😃Explicābitur.
This is nearly asmr
If people want me to do Latin or Ancient Greek ASMR, I'll do it. 😊
@@ScorpioMartianus please do.
i immagini che hai trovati + essere felicamente incarnati... avunque!
That’s modern Greek pronunciation
Incorrect. Learn more here: ua-cam.com/video/Dt9z5Gvp3MM/v-deo.html
Egó eimí Moira (non habeo graecas litteras in telephono meo)
Χαῖρε, Μοίρᾱ! Ἆρα σὺ Ἱβερνὴ εἶ; 😃
@@ScorpioMartianus Italike, sed Hispanice bene loquor 🙂
Κάλλιστα 😃
Why do you pronounce ancient greek the modern way?
I don't. I use the Lucian Pronunciation of Ancient Greek, for which see this video: ua-cam.com/video/Dt9z5Gvp3MM/v-deo.html
Right now Ancient Greek instructors are trying to phase out Erasmian pronunciation because they complain he never had contact with native Greek speakers. But I actually prefer the Erasmian system of pronunciation because he did make some rational conclusions based on Latin orthography (deduction). However, people do pick on Erasmus who really did love Classical Greek. Native speakers of Modern Greek, however, insist that Erasmian pronunciation is false and Ancient Greek speakers pronounced Ancient Greek like Modern Greek, which I believe is false. An Ancient Greek speaker, even during the Third Century A.D., would not be able to understand a Modern Greek speaker nor would he be able to understand the orthography of Modern Greek. I think Greek changed with the influence of languages like Ottoman Turkish, Persian, and Arabic. For example, gamma turned into ghamma, possibly influenced by the letter غ (ghein) and delta turned into dhelta or thelta, possibly being influenced by the letter ظ (thaaw). Due to illiteracy, vowels and diphthongs like η and οι became an eeee sound. I like to blame illiteracy for the vowel sound changes. There is absolutely no way Ancient Greek speakers used Modern Greek pronunciation when they spoke as it does not make any sense to apply the rules of Modern Greek pronunciation to Ancient Greek just as it would not make kind of sense to apply the rules of Erasmian pronunciation to Modern Greek.
ScorpioMartianus Thanks a lot!
Lawrence Frie Totally replicable! Also, thank you.
@@lefinstl By the third century A.D. οι has already become identical to υ and η identical to ει and often confused with ι.
By then, δ, γ and β already softened to ð, ɣ and β/v... Infact, the first time we have evidence for a fricative γ is in the 4th. Century B.C. in Boeotia... So according to you the Arabs showed up in 4th Century Boeotia and gave the Greeks their γ?
Why the hell are you even comparing all these changes with languages such as Ottoman Turk and Arab? When the Turks arrived in Anatolia the entire greek pronunciation has already shifted to the one we hear today. And how the hell does illiteracy play into all of this? The Byzantine empire was the most literate state in medieval Europe.
Most of the changes were already existing in antiquity. Just not in one place at the same time.
Feel bad on you not being able to pronounce the proper "b" and "v" sounds (β) :(
Ciao Cesare. No, hai capito male. La pronuncia che uso è una storica restituzione del suono del greco durante l'Impero Romano (circa il 2° secolo d.C.). Per favore guarda questo mio video sulla Pronuncia Luciana del Greco Antico: ua-cam.com/video/Dt9z5Gvp3MM/v-deo.html
@@ScorpioMartianus Ora ho capito! Grazie per la spiegazione, e scusa per il fraintendimento
Cesare Piemontese fa niente, Cesare! 😃 Grazie per aver guardato già due dei miei video! Spero di averti un subscriber “diūturnus” come diciamo in latino. A dopo!
Η αλφάβητος, φίλε...
new reast Ὁ ἀλφάβητος, φίλε· logeion.uchicago.edu/ἀλφάβητος
Whoops - modern Greek pronunciation.........
No, this is Lucian Pronunciation, an historical reconstruction of the sound of Greek during the Roman Empire: ua-cam.com/video/Dt9z5Gvp3MM/v-deo.html
Where?
This is the most cursed video I've ever seen, Latinized pronunciation of Hellenic...
You are incorrect. This is the historical pronunciation of Koine Greek circa 2nd century AD. Watch my video about it: ua-cam.com/video/Dt9z5Gvp3MM/v-deo.html
It is always nice to see an attempt on lerning Ancient Greek, but doing it with modern pronounciation is just so misleading. Ancient pronounciation is scientifically proven and if you start making video you should learn it. It is as wrong as using ancient pronouncietion to speak modern greek,
He's using a slightly later stage of the language, the reconstructed pronunciation of the 3rd or 4th century AD. This is not modern pronunciation, it's a scientifically reconstructed system as well.
If that's Modern Greek pronunciation, then I am not a modern Greek, but a future Greek.
Luke's pronunciation is a 2nd century CE pronunciation that is just as scientifically proven as Attic. Luke also does Classical Attic pronunciation, but has chosen to adopt this pronunciation as his standard.
Have you ever heard modern Greek?
How you chose to depict "ἔγγονος" isn't really helping me with its meaning.
Ah well, that’s okay; the main purpose of the video is to introduce the alphabet, not vocabulary