Restoring the 70’s Heavy Equipment | Quinn Cat
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- Опубліковано 27 лип 2024
- Tier 4 Final...
Whether you love it or hate it, it's a hot topic in the industry.
Aaron and the BuildWitt crew visit Quinn Cat in Southern California during this vlog episode to talk to their folks about repowering machines to meet the Tier 4 emissions requirements.
There are more than a few CAT scrapers in this episode. And not just the ones being worked on in the shop at Quinn. The guys visited a job site with Sukut Construction where they got to have fun photographing their 657 scrapers hauling TONS of dirt.
Aaron explains why scrapers are a great option for mass earthmoving and also why it seems that Southern California is some sort of Scraper Mecca.
Believe it or not, he actually explains how the air coming out of the exhaust on one of the Tier 4 scrapers is actually, in theory, cleaner than the air going into it, in Los Angeles County.
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-VIDEO CHAPTERS-
0:00 - Intro
2:12 - CAT 657E Scraper
7:05 - Project Explained
9:03 - "Why say lot word when few word do trick?"
10:21 - Quinn Cat Factory Tour
12:45 - Revamping 70's Machines/Equipment
18:00 - Running Them
19:18 - D10
20:55 - Red Fire Grader
21:44 - Outro - Авто та транспорт
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Now the machines will be down all the time with def issues
DEF is one of the most corrosive liquids ever. I used to install and maintain DEF systems. Every fitting, screw or part needs to be either plastic or medical-grade stainless fittings. Anything else will be destroyed in short order. It also creates SHARP crystals that will slice you right open.
Not when you know what you’re doing.
I own 18 some old some new. We always have 1 down for def.
Facts
@@robertandrade246 it's an undisputable fact that machines with these emissions systems are far less reliable than machines without them. Doesn't matter if you know what you're doing or not. They break down constantly
I said this once before and I am going to say it again - your audio recording (considering you film outside in construction zones) is absolutely pristine. Not a shred of wind noise. No LOUD music that makes me dive for the volume button. No stupid opening or closing on the videos. Just great information recorded in a VERY professional manor. I'll probably still be here when you hit your first million subs.
Whoever maintains the audio levels in the final edit deserves a raise and should consult with a LOT of the larger channels to get their audio under control - I'm looking at you HeavyD Sparks - your audio is a$$.
much appreciated!!
Agree
Agreed
its awesome that they give new life to old equipment, instead of cutting them up for scrap for new.. I do miss seeing those 60-70's graders and wheel loaders with the classic "C" cat logos
Good video. The gentleman with CAT forgot to mention that a large portion of the repower to T4 Final is implemented & payed for by the EPA. I can guarantee you the customer isn’t too thrilled to have an extra thousand wires & 30 sensors added to the machine!!
Understood completely! What a lot of specialist shit to go wrong there eh?
Anything involving with gov are getting raped from left to right millions lose that isn't the correct price to fix it and emissions is all a scam
Your videos are fun to watch for sure.
We retired from and moved out of Southern California because developers were developing everything they could put a tractor near. The crowds and taxes and costs are ridiculous to deal with. If you want to do anything fun, you do it with millions of others wanting to do the same thing the same day. Traffic? Forget about it. Peace and tranquility? It doesn't exist.
I'm glad you enjoy them thank you for watching!
I used to work for a smaller CAT dealer in central PA. I was a part of the construction aggregate division and worked on portable Metso and Nordburg rock crushers. That CAT dealer is MASSIVE!
awesome!!
You need to get it right California is the only state that requires stuff to be converted to meet EPA standards them scrapers are legal in any other state to run the EPA does not require a vehicle that was produced before the emissions upgrades to be upgraded
CA is a failed state. So glad i moved.when i did
Facts. "Upgrade" is a loose term here. Only going to make money for the service trucks and this dealer.
He just doesn’t know what he is talking about
I also do not believe the statement " the exhaust is cleaner than the air coming in"
@@cottonwood4935 yeah. That is just straight up wrong on every level. I’m not sure how someone could even say that….
Great video Aaron. Very interesting and informative. Thank you to Quinn and Sukut for showing a portion of what goes on during their daily course of business.
Thank you for watching I’m glad you enjoyed it
Did you ever think the flatter you make the area the faster the wind moves the faster it dries out. And I live in the Appalachian Mountains, we build houses anywhere. We dig basements to anchor into the hillsides.
We as a society need to recognize that the 80's and 90's were the future. Everything designed, built and done during that time will never be matched now. We need to recognize the perfection that is equipment from that era and not destroy it.
Cat is just not building new stuff quick enough to support the demand. It's not that these old machines are being rebuilt because they are so good but because they are forced to.
I was born in 2002 and I couldn’t agree more, last generation of equipment that you could work on effectively without fancy technology
Absolutely!! Personally I think we Absolutely peaked in 2005, it's been downhill ever since.
Just take a look at Central Illinois. Things have slowed way down for this part of the State and Caterpillar. I lived here when the Russian oil line was dropped overnight. It was always eerie driving through Peoria and seeing half built factories. Most of the concrete pads and steel were in place. The failure of the Russians in Afghanistan, along with Reagan wanting nothing to do with the Russians, other than to drop the wall. You nailed it when you said the 80-90's were our greatest years of this nation. Let's hope there are a lot more people like Aaron not willing to accept that fact.
True
3:31 the big round horizontal piece is the intake air filter housing. 3:58 The gray vertical tube is the air intake. The exhaust filter or dpf is to the right under the hood.
Any word on the ruling from the Supreme Court making it illegal for the EPA to in force DEF or regen?
I’m from central California, love to see something like this closer to home.
Nailed it. Do more of these vids.
These videos just get better and better! The team working on these are so lucky, what a gig!
Ugh
@@AaronWitt 😂
Well made! Cool to see you in California
thanks for watching!
I hope they're selling the old engines to people who can use them and not destroying them.
It's a lot of complaining going on in the comment section!coming from a southern California native I'm just glad to see that these machines are still up and running and not scrapped or abandoned sitting in a field somewhere just rotting away.I've passed near Quinn dealer a few times and the rebuilded machines look badazz,fresh new yellow paint,brand new tires and a new heart/motor to continue to run the Golden state these classic machines still have a long time to run!best of all you still can hear the turbochargers in these motors....just be glad they aren't electric to where you can't hear anything but metal clinging and banging!
Nope bad for the environmental
@@chriswright8074 are you agreeing or disagreeing?
good work guys its cool to see how everyone else around the country operates
Now this is interesting and very informative 👏
If I was spending all that $$$$ on rebuild. I totally would have Modern Cab. Smh
thanks for watching
I'm so happy to see old machines getting refit for work.
Awesome video - would love to see more videos similar to this
glad you enjoyed it!!
Scrapers are the best to run. Awesome video
Awesome video Aaron love the scrapers
Thanks for checking it out!
I saw a scraper working on I-5 south of Santa Nella last year. It was rolling coal out the pipe lol
This is wicked cool more videos like this definitely
stoked you enjoyed it! Thanks for watching
Definitely Sukut Equipment Parts & Rentals machines running on that jobsite
Aaron, Excellent video! California is a different place. All the money to move so much dirt. And then the earth moves by itself, by earthquake. All the big old scrapers must be moving west to handle all this work. The info about the slope blade on the dozer was interesting. I always thought that California dozers were the only ones with slope blades. Now I know for sure. And the LA County Fire Grader was a great catch! Love the LA County FD Cat equipment! Like no other Cat Fire equipment anywhere else. Keep up the great work!👍👍👍
thanks for watching Mark!
Enjoyed video thanks for taking the time to do it
Nice job!
Eric Jumper, the golf ball wizard, is always hilarious and a great addition to the buildwitt team.
I don't even know why he's the golf ball wizard
This was a really cool episode
thanks for watching!!
You should check out the Westmoreland mine in Estevan, Saskatchewan, Canada. They use multiple draglines and they don't reclaim the land at least they didn't in the past. This results in a very interesting landscape that is just thousands of small hills left behind by the line.
interesting I'll look into it thanks David
They are south of town but I think what is north of town is reclaimed. Looked good last I was up there but it's been a few years. The power plant there would be a neat tour also. Have to watch for the big haul trucks crossing the road when driving up from ND.
I do agricultural landforming for a living. We use CAT 965MT tractors pulling two dirt pans apiece that range from 20 to 24 yards per bucket. A little different setup but same concept. We put fields to grade and build the field roads up around them.
Those pics you took as the scrapers went by then included what they looked like in the video were amazing, esp the first one @6:25 and the others were cool as well - wish I had those for my desktop background :) Great stuff, new sub because who as kid didn't love playing with their Tonka trucks, esp if you grew up in the late 60s/early 70s?
Thanks for the video Aaron!! That was me and my partner in that video. Didn’t realize who you were until lunch time when we saw we made it to your snap chat hahaha! Thanks again!
right on!!! Great to see you guys and I'm glad you enjoyed the video. Hopefully we're back soon
Great video, Aaron. Really hit home when you were sitting in the old cab and turned the camera to the new motor. Aaron, do you have a UA-cam video biography? Just wondering what made you do interested in heavy equipment. Thanks!
We need to put a new one together. We will work on it. I appreciate you watching Donny!
Great piece, learnt a bunch. Really nice to see old machines getting freshened up and put back into service
No when they are throwing that emissions trash on them.CARB SUCKS Commiefornia is the poison of the USA
glad to hear you enjoyed it thank you
Eric spot on with 4 hours of sleep, 3 monsters, and radio turned to max
Enjoy the videos, stumbled upon this one. Actually work for Quinn Cat as a Technician, just not at The Mothership (The name of city of industry's location) for a few years now.
That’s awesome glad you found us. Hopefully we cross paths one day
I really liked the program on the Toyota battery plant. I'm from Winston-Salem NC and would love to see another program on the progress that's been done up to now my
Awesome video as usual, you'd think they add a cab to them while they were at it seeing as they are up dating everything else.
Thanks for watching. It’s an option but obviously they didn’t opt for it haha
Pretty impressive
That's super cool. Repowering old gear. Everyone knows the older stuff is built tougher... Now friendly to the turtles!
My question tho, being a mechanic and working predominantly with CAT gear would be do QUIN CAT update SIS with a repowered option when looking up parts and other service documents? Could be a hell of a trauma for the guys in the field doing subsequent repair work on a repowered machine with superceded documentation!
CAT is usually damn good about documentation and parts support. The biggest issue I see is just the unreliable SCR systems themselves. They almost seem like they're designed to make tech's hair fall out and the unknowing masses feel better about themselves while letting the real polluters run scot free.
How long does the conversion take and how much does it cost to make the scrapers compliant?
Hey Aaron, any chance of a LA CO FD. Vlog of the depts Cat fleet.
Thanks for what you do man.
I'd love to cover them one of these days. Thanks so much for following along!!
But whole point of old equipment is no emissions!!!!! It must suck to work in California
There's more to it than that! They're saving millions of dollars, and breathing new life into what they have on hand. I like the resourcefulness.
@@JMLoll they'd be saving millions more by just leaving the good reliable engine that it came with in it, not to mention it wouldn't need to be repaired nearly as often.
@@clydeacor1911 How do you know that? I'm sure it would need more and more repairs with increasing age.
@@JMLoll it's like semi truck engines, I have a pre emissions truck and I can rebuild the whole engine for less money than what it costs to replace just the emissions system on these newer engines and the emissions systems are not just known for failure but the engines don't last as long either.
@@JMLoll Wrong. DPFs and DEF contraptions cause more problems than anything older that run fine.
Great videos
thanks Delvin
Nicely done. Liked the addition of details. Dirt nerds rejoice!
Would love to know the cost for the following -
1. The rebuild of that D-series dozer that ended up in the ocean.
2. How much is a repower of one of the graders?
thank you!! Usually full rebuilds are around 1/2 to 2/3 the cost of a new machine
@@AaronWitt awesome, thanks for the update. Gotta say, unless all new controls and the cab is upgraded to the latest standard too, I'd consider getting new, if it was going to get tons of usage. I do love the fact CAT basically recycles old equipment to run in today's landscape though. That's a good option for folks who can't buy machines new or recently used.
Arron do you remember where in Pomona this jobsite is at? Love these type of videos.
It’s actually in Wallnut CA on valley Blvd.
Is that 651 CA Rasmussens? Love those old 651s. CA Rasmussen inc is a great California old school company 💪💪✌️
yep
Thanks very good video
thanks Matt!
I love you Aaron Aaron Witt.
Ok just subscribed since i saw your videos for 5 mins. Im in construction, sort of, scaffolder.....
The video that talks about your company. What do you and the people around you know about the dirtworld? Have you worked in the business? Since Aaron keeps cleaning his hands everytime he touches a crawler and in the oilsands video he said to the cameraguy "dont back into that, your jacket will get dirty" 🤣🤣🤣
Just wondering! As said, love the channel, the insight, the videography!
Some obvious questions: what's the cost difference between a new machine and a repower? How long does it typically take for a repower?
How much does a original D51 an 57 modification to meet tier 4 compliant cost.??
damn good video gentlemen
What engines are they installing in the 57's?
Slope blades are used in Idaho
All that earth moved my guys jacked up on monster energy who probably only had 4hrs of sleep lastnight. Sounds like the industry in Alberta Canada 😅
Nice videos. You definitely have a lot of knowledge and terminology to learn but you will get better and better. Scrapers rarely move at 30mph btw, maybe half of that lol
How many Hundred thousand dollars spent for repower, But keep open canopy
You must not be from Southern California....🤷
"today we're going to show you this insanely complex project that would take any TV show a full 1-hour episode to explain and produce in an effective, interesting way..." shows 13 seconds of sunglasses dude Aaron standing in front of a machine, some B-roll of them riding 8 deep in a 2 door truck and holding a camera, taking pictures of machinery..... "Tune in next week, we're in Australia to do this again.." LOL
glad you enjoyed the video! Thanks for watching
Why did no one bring up reliability vs the old? Keep saying up grade and wiring sensers dpf? Old pans didnt break and were reliable. I dont c this as an upgrade for reliability!
That HOOD looked suspiciously like a pre-cleaner bowl
Do they upgrade the seat for the operators?
depends on how much they want to spend. They can but sometimes they don't
0:24 those sound FX came in HOT because i had adjusted my speakers for the intro music. Please, editors, do a final pass on sound mixing.
we'll keep fine tuning things thank you I appreciate you watching
Granted it's nice to see old iron working but adding def and extra bs aint good
Ahh Pomona CA I grew up and lived in Diamond Bar I still remember when the night stalker was running around.
Nice GBI sticker on your hard hat 🙂
yeah buddy!!
why the new [[[rops (roll over protection structure)]]] on the cat scrapers?
What do they do with the old engines that are mechanical and no emissions
I'd guess they sell them to places that dont have the higher epa standards
The biggest scrapper I've ever run was a 615 paddle scrapper. Around here now on the east coast it's just end dumps and hoes.
Thank God that mandate is only in Cali and not where I'm at in Indiana
Does the fuel consumption go up as well as the maintenance costs?
You betcha the maintenance costs are going to go through the roof
Diesel particulate filters burn diesel during regen... however the new engines are probably more efficient.
Overall Fuel consumption goes down even after after adding DEF consumption to overall. HP and torque are increased.
I'm curious about the type of lavaliere mics that you use. They're probably way out of my price range.
Sennheiser -- they're fantastic
Do they also get upgraded cabs and controlls?
they can but oftentimes no. Depends on what the customer wants
What happens to the old engines?
So are they only doing this to machines that need a rebuild or how does that work ? If there’s 651Bs out there still running with the original engine would it be allowed to run until it needs a rebuild then they would update it to tier 4 final or are they pulling running equipment off sites
Starting next year they won’t allow them to run anymore
@@AaronWitt that’s wild. Already expensive Cali is going to become even more pricey. Cost to pull and retro fit all that equipment is going to be enormous. Cost per yard is sure to increase. Increasing cost to develop. Be interesting to see the back log of equipment being retro fitted. Will keep the equipment manufacturers busy. Hopefully global supply of parts can keep up.
We got a huge kawasucki loader that’s been retro fitted with the new emission bull crap. This thing has such a huge dpf filter on top of the engine compartment you can’t see anything backing up I hate it!!
They run all types of scrapers everywhere in the United States, your assertion that they only run them in California is assanine. They also repower the same machines at other locations.
they do but not even close to the numbers they run in California. Other than a few other markets like Denver, big scraper spreads like the ones in California aren't common
Obviously this guy has never been to socal,I've traveled to multiple states and they do not run as many scrapers as they do in Southern California and that's facts!
The J.AAR shirt surprised me. They are a local company.
they sent us some swag a while back. Great folks!!
I wonder if California considers all of the emissions involved in replacing and repowering older equipment in order to meet emissions standards. It’s not like it all happens in a vacuum. I’d be very surprised if it actually winds up as a net reduction in emissions.
The way those guys make everything work for the repower is cool but that's the only cool thing about putting emissions compliant engines in those old machines, they should be snorting fire and blowing smoke
Engines also lose horsepower over time
@@Metagross555 oh I understand that but that's where an overhaul comes into play unless you window the block
great video but what a stupid world we live in when were repowering with emissions engines
Such a stupid world, I sure wished that my future kids would live in a world with extreme pollution and global warming
Scraper driver requirements: Must be willing to drive in circles all day, every day.
I wonder how many of the firms operating this would gladly buy something bigger.
Turning good running machines to machines that won’t run after 1 year
Creating more work for themselves back at the dealership
@@blauer2551 Crooked government as usual
Now they will be down with def issues all the time. Lots of work or the techs
Basically turning into junk
Gotta love Commiefornia
Lots of outfits here in Alberta still running old gear, 621G, 637K etc...now, repower to meet emissions, hmm no, let that old 3412 and 3306 block out the sun.
Southern California earth is some of the easiest material to move, hence mostly scrapers for the job!!
yep it's awesome
Fun fact: Recontouring the landscape isn’t free and the potential homeowner is paying for it.
How
@@chalinp4886 Should be obvious. The cost of the lot.
Do they get Banks turbos? :p
Well at least there using old equipment even if it means getting rid of the reliable old engines
It is also a lot easier to put someone in a scraper and say follow the guy in front of you and do what he does. There is very little thinking involved. The 57’s are the only ones worth having. No one is going to buy a 27 or 37 when you can buy a quad track with double 21 yard scrapers for much cheaper. You can a 620hp tractor put a push block on it and load them just as fast and much cheaper than a d9 or 10. That’s why you don’t see new scrapers. Also nobody with half a brain wants to run one when they can sit in a tractor that’s a lot smoother and just nicer to run.
I see a lot of newer scrapers haha no one runs tractors out west. They work great in softer conditions in the midwest / south though
The company I work for only uses hoe’s and side dumps and haul trucks. We work with the scraper company a lot and I am this week. I asked the owner of the scraper company this morning his opinion. He basically said the same thing as I did. He sold his last 4 27’s last week. He had 50 of them. There is still a place for 57’s but not any smaller. The $py is way less.
1 A quad with double 25’s hauls way more than a 27 or 37 obviously.
2 A quad is way cheaper.
3 A quad uses a lot less fuel
4 operators like them a lot more than a scraper.
5 The service is faster because there a a lot more mechanics.
6 You can pull huge rollers and disc with them.
Should I keep going or are you starting to figure it out?
How far off the 10 were you?657E & 651E were introduced in 1984.Did you run into another youtuber named SoCalEarthmovers out there?He is always putting up there cat scraper videos.Sukut Construction has had 657G prototypes on their jobs before it was even introduced.Peed has repowered 657s out there
Why no pull scrapers?
Glad I don't live and work in California my machine is a 06 I would have to sale .....and do something diff
I am recently retired Peterson cat please say hi to Chris D’Amore Quinn Part Manage. You will get a laugh from him when you Mention my name
I really like how clean the main shop and equipment yard is
that's fantastic!! Peterson is top notch too!
I still operate a terex ts-14 b lol sometimes
I miss the 80S non-emission engines!