Peter… love that you start out with opinion and a point. I watch way to many videos where I have to watch through it to understand the point of the video. Great job as usual.
Just found your channel now. The algorithms finally helped me😂 I have a stereo pair of sonos play 5s and am a vinyl nerd. I’m enjoying your sonos 5 vids and hopeful that I’ll improve my listening experience. Thanks so much.
I used Pyle Sonos Speaker Stand for my rear Fives (PSTNDSON17, only can mount horizontal, black, $51 USD each). I have the Arc on top of an entertainment center below a wall mounted LG OLED 77C1. I placed the Arc on a Clutch CL-DMS250 Adjustable Height Desktop Studio Monitor Speaker Stands ($69 USD, pair). The Clutch desktop stands can tilt up or down. I placed the desktop stand on either end of the Arc and tilt the soundbar down to help the Atmos speakers to fire further into the room to reach my sofa 18 feet (5.5 meter) away. The Fives are about ear level between 9-12 feet back (3-4 meters) behind the sofa. I placed my dual Gen 3 subs on Pangea Audio Vulcan Amp Stand on either side of the Arc (Rosenut Red, $80 USD). I raise the subs for looks and give the robot vacuum room to clean under.
Interesting video.. I have the official Sonos one stands a great height and surrounds make a difference.. but I was a little disappointed in the build quality.. the resting plate is plastic and the base is a weight covered in plastic.. it’s only the stand itself that is made of steel..
@JAKO1668, My Fives arrive tomorrow and after watching this I ordered same stands. Do they actually attach to the Fives? I suspect not, but looking for confirmation. Do you like them? Have they been sturdy? Thanks!
@@goalasso1 nope, you just put them on top of it, there is some rubber on top of the stand to prevent speaker slip and scratch. The sound improve a lot, i mean i heard fives without stands for a couple of months, after using kanto stands, i can tell the difference.. hope this helps.
@@goalasso1 you're welcome, yes they are sturdy, mine just fine, not even move a single inch, even after i added plus 2 on the bass after updating it (followed mr.Peter Pee suggestion) 😊
@@JAKO1668 Awesome! Can't wait to get it all setup tomorrow. I will use for music! and soon my Turntable (looking at Orbit U-Turn). This will go with the rest of my Sonos ecosystem. Cheers and thanks!
I'm definitely considering the Kanto stands, but that's because I'm also considering their passive speakers. Just need to find a good quality low cost amp/stereo receiver to match. It's a better investment than a similarly priced 2ch soundbar if you don't mind the effort to set up. If I need extra bass, I'll just get a cheap Monoprice sub.
This is perfect! I was just thinking about speaker stands yesterday! Also, Peter can you do a wattage video for the Sonos Five speakers. When you change the orientation of your speakers while playing music do you have to retune when switching back to the original orientation?
Hmmm... I can... I think I did one before but can't recall. The power is about 100W I believe. Drawn from the wall. So that's real RMS output. But I can't recall exactly. Let me try out of one these days. And yes, you have to re-tune when you switch orientation.
Need your advice. I’m In a small room and don’t want surrounds but want a wider sound. How do you feel about using the Sonos arc with the fives left and right of the tv on stands. Is this over kill? I think it would be great to give films a wider sound and especially with music
Great video. I would be very interested in seeing the frequency response for the Sonos One's on stands. I have the Arc, Sub Gen3, and rear Sonos One's currently on opposing counter tops.
Dan did you ever get the stands? I am getting the same set up as a Christmas gift this year for myself and debating on wall mounting the SL Ones or putting on stands.
@@DregGayton777 Not yet. Still waiting for Peter to do a frequency response. Sonos is also coming out with new Optima speakers. On hold for the time being.
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@@PeterPee when you find the time, please do it even for wall backens forbthe Ones and also the wallmounted Ikea Symfonisk with internal bracket 🙏
Hi Peter, great job as always!! So, my brand new pair of Fives arrive tomorrow. After watching this video, I also ordered the Kanto stands. Can you confirm that the Fives actually attach to these stands? Are there screw holes on the fives in a vertical position? I don't see any. Are you just sitting the speakers on these stands? I am not sure that will work for me, so I may have to return these stands. Advice? Thanks in advance
I have the same question here as @gialasso1. It is not clear in the video how the speakers attach. I just received mine today from Best Buy and am now scrambling to figure out how to mount them.
Hi, peter, is there gonna be a video on the new app update coming up soon? seen quite polarized reactions towards it, not sure whether to update or wait...thank you
Thanks Paul. And for your question, same reply as another comment here. For surrounds, I like them to be in horizontal layout. But if your ceilings are higher than say 9', you might want to consider setting them vertically.
Hello Peter! Are you keeping the 2 sonos play 5 stands? If you want to sell them ,let me know. I'm the guy that wrote months ago to ask if you had lobang on stands and that, coincidentally I moved to SG after starting to watch your channel. BTW, is there a play where you and others hang out in SG? I'm a music musicphile, not an audiophile, but interested in meeting people into music and audio. Thank you!
Hi Peter, is there any advantage to buying Sonos stands instead of any other stands like the one you mention in this video, or cheaper stands in general?
I am very certain. I bought cheap stands before. And they wobble. And the thin metal makes them too light and doesn't confidently support heavy speakers up top.
Hey Peter, love your videos. I have a question regarding how the speaker was placed when on the table? How large was the surface area in front of the speaker? I found putting my P5 inwards on a table with a lot of surface area in front vs having it at the edge affects sound quality dramatically. When there's no surface of obstruction of any kind near the front of the P5 it sounds dramatically better.
Yes, correct. For the test, I have placed the speaker right up to the edge of the table. The surface bounces off sound from the speaker so it will smear the sound a little.
Hey Peter! Great video! Your stereo pair video made me buy a set of these! So thanks for that! 🙏 I read on some german website that the Sonos five sound different whether you put them horizontally or vertically. It was claimed that the sonos five detects its orientation and adjusts the sound. Now I saw that in your stand set up you choose to test them in vertical position. Do you think horizontal vs vertical positioning makes a difference? Did you put that into account when testing stands vs tabletop? What’s your opinion on that? Another thing, I feel that the sonos five stereo set up is a bit „light“ in the midrange. Any idea how to adjust that? EQ only does only bass and treble. Would the Sonos sub help here? Thanks so much in advance! Sven
Hey Peter. As usual an informative video. Is it better to position speaker vertically or horizontally? I have the fives set up as surround speakers for my setup. Arc with 2x sub g3 and 2x fives. Thx
Ha... Ultimate setup. For surrounds, I like them to be in horizontal layout. But if your ceilings are higher than say 9', you might want to consider setting them vertically.
Yes, absolutely there will be a difference. It's a big difference no less. Against the wall you will have the wall to boost lower end output. But might end up boomy.
Oh I should have stated that. My tests are always in stock state. No tweaking of EQ or trueplay. The only thing that is left on is Loudness, which is by default on from factory.
Subs sit on the ground directly so seldom need stands. If it is solid ground and the sub is level and doesn't wobble, they are good to go without stands!
It is one of the most sturdy stands I have used. They are also heavy at the base. But that said, no stands will withstand a full on tackle from a small kid. So use them with discretion.
@@VidVayder yes unfortunately I am. I also own a playbar and over the last year of use it’s pretty apparent that the arc is a total downgrade ripoff. The playbar flat out sounds better than the arc. Especially for music use, because it’s far punchier, and doesn’t sound (tinny) in nature - the way the arc does! It has never had these types of issues either, concerning Sonos always screwing with it’s Dolby surround capabilities severely through updates. I’m considering just swapping them, and putting the arc in my bedroom as a stand-alone soundbar.
@@diggergeensen860 it’s a shame that the update has caused issues! I have a Beam 2 and no sub so can’t say for sure what the solution is but I have heard tweaking with EQ can help a bit. Maybe Peter can do a video on it! Also it’s a widespread enough issue that Sonos must be on the case… we can hope!
@@VidVayder I used to run my setup with the subs level at -1, the group base at 5 and the treble at 7 and it would shake my whole house. The base was bouncy and tight. Now I’m running my setup with a subs level of 5, the base at 7 and the treble at 6. There’s literally half the base now, and what is there is muffled and distorted. They didn’t fix the lip sync problems yet, and the dialogue clarity during movie/tv watching , (which is what I’m assuming they were trying to fix) is still horrendous. The background sound effects within the group still totally overwhelms the voices. I’m not really sure what they think that they’ve accomplished here with the latest updates they’ve thrown out, but in my opinion they’ve ruined my listening experience completely - with whatever they’ve done to the arc. Why would they piss around with the output quality of the subs? The whole Dolby Atmos thing is a gimmick, as far as I’ve seen. The benefits of two tiny little up firing speakers that you’ll barely notice are not worth the $400 extra you’re spending on an arc. Save your money, if you already own a playbar, and are thinking of upgrading, because it’s not an upgrade at all. There’s a lot of digital tech reviewers on UA-cam who are talking out their ass for royalties, if they are still telling you to buy the arc with a straight face. That’s not a slight at Peter, as we all love his content. But the fact is I’ve been using sonos products for ten years. I’ve done my own diligence with testing different configurations, with a bunch of their products, and I’ve never been so disappointed in Sonos than I am right now. The ongoing problems they’ve had with the arc since day one is an embarrassment at this point. The bottom line is sonos has built their first really crappy product here! If they admitted that; they wouldn’t be able to justify it’s ridiculous price, so they just keep screwing with it, ruining it further with broken (updates) and telling the customers it’s the way they have it set up that’s the problem.
Peter… love that you start out with opinion and a point. I watch way to many videos where I have to watch through it to understand the point of the video. Great job as usual.
Thanks for recognising that!
Very nice and detailed review about the differences between using the Sonos Five with and without speaker stands, thanks alot for this review!
Glad it was helpful!
Just found your channel now. The algorithms finally helped me😂
I have a stereo pair of sonos play 5s and am a vinyl nerd. I’m enjoying your sonos 5 vids and hopeful that I’ll improve my listening experience. Thanks so much.
Great video Peter. I have a pair of stands just for the purpose of positioning and never knew it made a difference to sound.
I used Pyle Sonos Speaker Stand for my rear Fives (PSTNDSON17, only can mount horizontal, black, $51 USD each). I have the Arc on top of an entertainment center below a wall mounted LG OLED 77C1. I placed the Arc on a Clutch CL-DMS250 Adjustable Height Desktop Studio Monitor Speaker Stands ($69 USD, pair). The Clutch desktop stands can tilt up or down. I placed the desktop stand on either end of the Arc and tilt the soundbar down to help the Atmos speakers to fire further into the room to reach my sofa 18 feet (5.5 meter) away. The Fives are about ear level between 9-12 feet back (3-4 meters) behind the sofa. I placed my dual Gen 3 subs on Pangea Audio Vulcan Amp Stand on either side of the Arc (Rosenut Red, $80 USD). I raise the subs for looks and give the robot vacuum room to clean under.
Thanks! Waiting for a video on the new sonos update and it's effects on the arc and sub
Coming soon! I just got back home from a trip. Will need a bit of time. Patience will be rewarded!
Interesting video.. I have the official Sonos one stands a great height and surrounds make a difference.. but I was a little disappointed in the build quality.. the resting plate is plastic and the base is a weight covered in plastic.. it’s only the stand itself that is made of steel..
Bought the kanto instantly bro. i put the fives in horizontal position, to my personal preference only, i like it this way. thanks bro for the info!
@JAKO1668, My Fives arrive tomorrow and after watching this I ordered same stands. Do they actually attach to the Fives? I suspect not, but looking for confirmation. Do you like them? Have they been sturdy? Thanks!
@@goalasso1 nope, you just put them on top of it, there is some rubber on top of the stand to prevent speaker slip and scratch. The sound improve a lot, i mean i heard fives without stands for a couple of months, after using kanto stands, i can tell the difference.. hope this helps.
@@JAKO1668 Thanks much! And they are sturdy? You haven't been concerned with them falling off/over? 🙂
@@goalasso1 you're welcome, yes they are sturdy, mine just fine, not even move a single inch, even after i added plus 2 on the bass after updating it (followed mr.Peter Pee suggestion) 😊
@@JAKO1668 Awesome! Can't wait to get it all setup tomorrow. I will use for music! and soon my Turntable (looking at Orbit U-Turn). This will go with the rest of my Sonos ecosystem. Cheers and thanks!
Id like to see you do the same test with the 5 in the middle of the room , not against the wall on stands .i suspect the wall helps .
I'm definitely considering the Kanto stands, but that's because I'm also considering their passive speakers. Just need to find a good quality low cost amp/stereo receiver to match. It's a better investment than a similarly priced 2ch soundbar if you don't mind the effort to set up. If I need extra bass, I'll just get a cheap Monoprice sub.
That’s a good idea. If you are into music, nothing beats the soundstage and imaging of a stereo pair.
Thank you!
This is perfect! I was just thinking about speaker stands yesterday! Also, Peter can you do a wattage video for the Sonos Five speakers. When you change the orientation of your speakers while playing music do you have to retune when switching back to the original orientation?
Hmmm... I can... I think I did one before but can't recall. The power is about 100W I believe. Drawn from the wall. So that's real RMS output. But I can't recall exactly. Let me try out of one these days.
And yes, you have to re-tune when you switch orientation.
@@PeterPee thank you!
Need your advice. I’m In a small room and don’t want surrounds but want a wider sound. How do you feel about using the Sonos arc with the fives left and right of the tv on stands. Is this over kill? I think it would be great to give films a wider sound and especially with music
Great video. I would be very interested in seeing the frequency response for the Sonos One's on stands. I have the Arc, Sub Gen3, and rear Sonos One's currently on opposing counter tops.
Hmmm… I never thought of doing it for the ones cos I have the fives on the stand. Video idea! I just need to find time for it.
Dan did you ever get the stands? I am getting the same set up as a Christmas gift this year for myself and debating on wall mounting the SL Ones or putting on stands.
@@DregGayton777 Not yet. Still waiting for Peter to do a frequency response. Sonos is also coming out with new Optima speakers. On hold for the time being.
@@PeterPee when you find the time, please do it even for wall backens forbthe Ones and also the wallmounted Ikea Symfonisk with internal bracket 🙏
Hi Peter, great job as always!! So, my brand new pair of Fives arrive tomorrow. After watching this video, I also ordered the Kanto stands. Can you confirm that the Fives actually attach to these stands? Are there screw holes on the fives in a vertical position? I don't see any. Are you just sitting the speakers on these stands? I am not sure that will work for me, so I may have to return these stands. Advice? Thanks in advance
I have the same question here as @gialasso1. It is not clear in the video how the speakers attach. I just received mine today from Best Buy and am now scrambling to figure out how to mount them.
@@ray_rice they just sit on them. Work great. I have no kids or large animals. The Fives are quite heavy so you will be ok. Love mine.
Hi, peter, is there gonna be a video on the new app update coming up soon? seen quite polarized reactions towards it, not sure whether to update or wait...thank you
Hi Peter. Another awesome video! Wondering if you prefer the play5’s, positioned horizontally or vertically? Thanks and keep up the great content.
Thanks Paul. And for your question, same reply as another comment here. For surrounds, I like them to be in horizontal layout. But if your ceilings are higher than say 9', you might want to consider setting them vertically.
Hello Peter!
Are you keeping the 2 sonos play 5 stands? If you want to sell them ,let me know.
I'm the guy that wrote months ago to ask if you had lobang on stands and that, coincidentally I moved to SG after starting to watch your channel.
BTW, is there a play where you and others hang out in SG? I'm a music musicphile, not an audiophile, but interested in meeting people into music and audio.
Thank you!
Hi Peter, is there any advantage to buying Sonos stands instead of any other stands like the one you mention in this video, or cheaper stands in general?
I am very certain. I bought cheap stands before. And they wobble. And the thin metal makes them too light and doesn't confidently support heavy speakers up top.
Hey Peter, love your videos. I have a question regarding how the speaker was placed when on the table? How large was the surface area in front of the speaker? I found putting my P5 inwards on a table with a lot of surface area in front vs having it at the edge affects sound quality dramatically. When there's no surface of obstruction of any kind near the front of the P5 it sounds dramatically better.
Yes, correct. For the test, I have placed the speaker right up to the edge of the table. The surface bounces off sound from the speaker so it will smear the sound a little.
Hey Peter! Great video! Your stereo pair video made me buy a set of these! So thanks for that! 🙏
I read on some german website that the Sonos five sound different whether you put them horizontally or vertically. It was claimed that the sonos five detects its orientation and adjusts the sound. Now I saw that in your stand set up you choose to test them in vertical position. Do you think horizontal vs vertical positioning makes a difference? Did you put that into account when testing stands vs tabletop?
What’s your opinion on that?
Another thing, I feel that the sonos five stereo set up is a bit „light“ in the midrange. Any idea how to adjust that? EQ only does only bass and treble.
Would the Sonos sub help here?
Thanks so much in advance!
Sven
Okay… just found a video from your channel that basically says that the orientation does not matter much:
ua-cam.com/video/kJf5c_lva5Y/v-deo.html
Hey Peter. As usual an informative video. Is it better to position speaker vertically or horizontally? I have the fives set up as surround speakers for my setup. Arc with 2x sub g3 and 2x fives. Thx
Ha... Ultimate setup. For surrounds, I like them to be in horizontal layout. But if your ceilings are higher than say 9', you might want to consider setting them vertically.
Great video Peter. Would you know if it would make a difference for a sound bar on the wall would be better than on the tv stand? Thank you again.
Yes, absolutely there will be a difference. It's a big difference no less. Against the wall you will have the wall to boost lower end output. But might end up boomy.
interesting video! thanks for sharing! was wondering if you applied true play in these frequency sweeps?
Oh I should have stated that. My tests are always in stock state. No tweaking of EQ or trueplay. The only thing that is left on is Loudness, which is by default on from factory.
@@PeterPee is loundness worth keeping on?
What about the Moutson MS52PW?
Too be fully transparent and objective you should run trueplay on each configuration before measuring and coming to conclusion
Hi Pieter, I have a question, does the stand also help stop the bass from radiating down to the floor?
No it won't. But it will stop it from radiating and bouncing from the table top or flat surface you will place it on.
@@PeterPee Thanks much for the response Pieter, appreciate it.
I got a complaint from my downstair neighbour on the bass of 300s. 😞
Hello Peter,
Thanks for the analysis!!
Does stand matter for subwoofers? if so, what kind of stand would be ideal for the Sonos sub?
Thx!
Subs sit on the ground directly so seldom need stands. If it is solid ground and the sub is level and doesn't wobble, they are good to go without stands!
@@PeterPee Thanks Peter!
I would like to mount 2 sonos 5 on to the wall for surround sound for sonos arc. Please recommond wall mount for sonos 5
How to fix Sonos Fives to it? Speaker doesn’t have any holes
Would trueplay make a difference in the comparison?
Yes, there will be. Trueply makes a huge difference in sound. Whether it is better for you is another question.
I put a big dictionary under my Sonos sound bar , I swear it sounds better
Is the stand secure? I have little kids.
It is one of the most sturdy stands I have used. They are also heavy at the base. But that said, no stands will withstand a full on tackle from a small kid. So use them with discretion.
Anyone else’s subs sounding like total muffled crap lately?
Are you pairing with an Arc? I’ve seen reports from Arc users having the same issue after updating to the latest firmware.
@@VidVayder yes unfortunately I am. I also own a playbar and over the last year of use it’s pretty apparent that the arc is a total downgrade ripoff. The playbar flat out sounds better than the arc. Especially for music use, because it’s far punchier, and doesn’t sound (tinny) in nature - the way the arc does! It has never had these types of issues either, concerning Sonos always screwing with it’s Dolby surround capabilities severely through updates. I’m considering just swapping them, and putting the arc in my bedroom as a stand-alone soundbar.
@@diggergeensen860 it’s a shame that the update has caused issues! I have a Beam 2 and no sub so can’t say for sure what the solution is but I have heard tweaking with EQ can help a bit. Maybe Peter can do a video on it!
Also it’s a widespread enough issue that Sonos must be on the case… we can hope!
@@VidVayder I used to run my setup with the subs level at -1, the group base at 5 and the treble at 7 and it would shake my whole house. The base was bouncy and tight. Now I’m running my setup with a subs level of 5, the base at 7 and the treble at 6. There’s literally half the base now, and what is there is muffled and distorted. They didn’t fix the lip sync problems yet, and the dialogue clarity during movie/tv watching , (which is what I’m assuming they were trying to fix) is still horrendous. The background sound effects within the group still totally overwhelms the voices. I’m not really sure what they think that they’ve accomplished here with the latest updates they’ve thrown out, but in my opinion they’ve ruined my listening experience completely - with whatever they’ve done to the arc. Why would they piss around with the output quality of the subs? The whole Dolby Atmos thing is a gimmick, as far as I’ve seen. The benefits of two tiny little up firing speakers that you’ll barely notice are not worth the $400 extra you’re spending on an arc. Save your money, if you already own a playbar, and are thinking of upgrading, because it’s not an upgrade at all. There’s a lot of digital tech reviewers on UA-cam who are talking out their ass for royalties, if they are still telling you to buy the arc with a straight face. That’s not a slight at Peter, as we all love his content. But the fact is I’ve been using sonos products for ten years. I’ve done my own diligence with testing different configurations, with a bunch of their products, and I’ve never been so disappointed in Sonos than I am right now. The ongoing problems they’ve had with the arc since day one is an embarrassment at this point. The bottom line is sonos has built their first really crappy product here! If they admitted that; they wouldn’t be able to justify it’s ridiculous price, so they just keep screwing with it, ruining it further with broken (updates) and telling the customers it’s the way they have it set up that’s the problem.