Thank you for your awesome videos and the time you take to make them great. I absolutely agree with you, Sonos needs to allow user volume control of the center channel. This would totally fix the problem of low dialog, without changing the sound profile for everyone.
I agree 100%. Sonos needs a parametric EQ and the ability to change the sound profile of the center channel independent from the rest. I also want Sonos to allow the pairing of two more One SL speakers for the fronts, that way we can enhance our Atmos sound
Dear Peter, Thank you very much for reviewing the new update 14.12. You really have done a lot of great jobs for reviewing everything about Sonos. We are looking forward from you for the best setting for Sonos Arc, Sub Gen 3, and Pair of One SL, for the new update 14.12 please! It is really disappointing from Sonos they do that for decreasing or dropping the sound level while they have to enhance it to be better not for worse so that we have to play with EQ until to get the best sound as the previous update. Last your best setting was: Trueplay: ON Bass: -2 Treble: +3 Loudness: ON Night Mode: OFF Speech: OFF Sub: -4 Surround: 0 Heights: +4 Looking for your best setting with the new update 14.12. Thank you very much and we are really highly appreciated it.
Thank you as always. The dialogue struggle has always been a thing for me with the volume, being able to change the volume of the center would be amazing.
@@mlittletn I know the height!? I will say in one of Peter‘s previous videos he shows trueplay and it really does matter if you get too close to the arc because then the dialogue will be lower.
All the testing in the world doesn’t change my mind . What I had before this update was great. Agree that Sonos shouldn’t be forcing some of these changes on everyone.
@@notacapulet muddled? According to Peter this update would make it less muddled. Just quieter. Also are you really saying that you listen to the Arc at 100 volume? If so i think you need to check your ears D:
Thanks for the vídeo Peter. As someone else already commented, please retest the several Arc combinations with Sub (Gen 3), surrounds, both, etc. and also with Trueplay, since a lot are complaining regarding the Sub performance with Trueplay engaged. Thank you very much
I usually do testing without Trueplay because Trueplay accounts for the room and that's my room not the same for everyone. But good point. I will bear that in mind for this test.
@@loicjuillerat6461 but can y’all calm down sonos legit said there’s a bug that will be fixed soon. I think we can survive the sub for a week or 2. Why would Peter retest everything just to have to test it again once it’s fixed…..
@@cestseb I think that a company is supposed to test release before releasing update right ? But I also think you don’t even own a sub/arc combination … Just react for the fun. Feel free also to analyse dates of comments as you are also totally out of context with your bug statement.
I thought it was my ears or something with the arc after the update and wanted to lower bass and bump treble. Finally watched your video. Pre update 14.10 : Bass -2 , Treble +4. After update 14.12 : Bass -5 , Treble +5 After the update i had to lower the bass all the way to -5 so dialogue does not sound muddy!!! And bump treble to +6 so surround shines again. What a difference in the sound profile. Such big changes! I have not decided yet what it should be for my sub which was at -4 pre update. I can tell for sure that dialogue is very good after lower bass to -5. And for sure much better than before update. It just worries me that the mids might dissapear having bass that low. Anything higher than -5 dialogue then sounds muddy though. Dont know of i can compensate mids with the help of the sub. If my mids are fine with these settings, i seriously believe that this update was a very good one.
Thanks Peter, the sound profile does sound nice for movies, the sub crossover is horrible now. The overall volume is too low. 100% volume on 14.12 is about 80% on 14.10. it's a huge decrease when the source isn't very loud. I really hope they increase the overall volume on another update and let the sub do its job again
But do you watch things at 100% or 80% ? I can’t even get past (with 14.12) 60 with streaming and 50 with lossless without questioning if I’m going to go deaf on a binge.
@@mrzedark3190 I listen to music at 80% quite often. Which is now around 100% with 14.12. with older tracks or when the actual track isn't loud. 100% is not loud enough with 14.12
Actually we are all different and the room size also matters when it comes to volume setting. No judging here but I am sure there are some who needs it at 100%. But for me personally, I RARELY go past 40 or so. In fact, only for testing and making videos for the channel do I go beyond 50.
This update is way too much. I never had an issue especially after the 14.10 update. I finally had my system sounding just the way I liked for the first time since I bought it. Sonos needs to fix this and give us control of the center channel and revert back to something that sounds more like 14.10. I already listen to everything loud and have to max the Arc out to %100. Totally gutted over all this. Thanks so much Peter for all your hard work!
@@PeterPee Arc + 2 (Gen3) subs + 2 (Gen 2) One's. Pre update Atmos content between 70-78 volume, tv/cable content 62-68, music 72-80. Now it's up 15%+ after 14.12. Even my Beam I have to play everything at louder volumes. It sounded great pre update even with the high volumes, but now I can't stand it.
Many thanks to you Peter. Every Sonos product should have your UA-cam channel as a sticker on the box. You’re knowledge is so helpful! Always appreciate your insight. I really hope Sonos are watching this and taking notes to complete a fix!
I might need to change the color of my logo to black and white to fit into the color scheme of Sonos to get the brand colors to fit on the box! :) Thanks for that!
Funny: I just bought the Arc so didn’t get to know the sound with the previous firmware. And still the first thing I did after tuning it was to reduce 2 points of bass and increase 1 of treble. Nice to know my ears are still measuring well!
Thanks Peter!! Really appreciate how you broke down the details in an easy to understand fashion. I’m very interested to hear what your suggested settings are now after the update!
Peter you are my number one person to see if update or hardware is good in Sonos world. You are not sugaring to anyone and it's great. I really appreciate your channel and work you do! Now to my subjective opinion. I liked old profile better as I am bass person. I heard same clip on headphones and for me old firmware sounds better even though I was missing some of dialogues. Maybe I am not get used to new profile yet but I would like to have and option which profile to choose or have ability to fine tune it with proper settings. I hope Sonos will fix their mess as this is not same hardware I bought and was happy with it.
I think we are all crying out for the feature to allow for tweaking ourselves! Even if it is just for changing the center channel levels! Thanks for showing your appreciation!
Thanks for this video, I hope sonos realise the error they have made and correct this asap. I’ve contacted the staff through chat, sent a diagnostic report and sent an email. Im now regretting switching my beam for an arc. From what i understand, sonos are trying to compensate for the lack of voice clarity by dropping the sound on the non central speakers. What they fail to realise is that many users (such as myself) use sonos mainly for music. This new sound signature has removed the dynamic full sound i loved. I also like to have the music loud, thats been hampered too. They need to give the user the opportunity to change the eq for all ranges of sound. Sony and other leading companies have the option on all top end systems, even headphones. What do sonos not give us this option? Are they trying to protect the speakers? Not enough power in the arc? I would also like to know why they have changed the output of the sub. They oblige us to link it to the ark and thus the arc dulls out the sound it used to produce. I would rather it had its old sound signature back and was independent from the arc. Spending thousands on a sound system for Sonos to give us no choice but to impose sound signatures we don’t want is really bad business. They could even create a menu with different sound signatures to allow us to choose. Just like Devialet, Sony etc, That way satisfy music and movie lovers. Anyway, thanks for your help. Im looking into the Sony HT-A9. That way i will have full control of the settings and not have to worry about what the next update will do. I’ll give sonos a few weeks to get the sound back to where it was before moving on.
I have the A9. I heard the arc at a showroom. I think the A9 is way better especially for music. Incredibly the phantom centre channel sounds like having a physical speaker. Only gripe I have is the choice of sub. You only have 2 choices. SW3 and SW5 but I think sonos is badder in choice of sub.
Would you really claim that most users use the sonos arc for music? I think most people would just get a sonos five, or two. Or even multiple ones spread around. It kind of makes sense to tune a soundbar for movies and TV. Center ch adjustement would be good to allow for people who want to tune it. But I dont think your claim is correct.
@@cestseb I didn't say 'most', i said 'many' there is a big difference in the two words and their meanings. Despite that, i have a Sonos Sub, if i were to use my SL one speakers only with the sub it would mean no longer having it connected to the Arc. Or...... i would have to continuously disconnect the sub from the SL ones when watching TV then disconnect it from the Arc when listening to music. The Update has really affected the Subs sound signature whether with the Arc or the Sl Ones. So the problem is the same.
Thank you Peter, I thought again it was me! I’ve done loads of Trueplay thinking it was me! I’ve had increase volume by 10 to 30 to hear it. Wish they would sort! I’ve put my updates to manual now.
Stay tuned! Where possible I’d roll out videos asap to let you guys know whether to update or not but the truth is there are other commitments I have so just let me try my best!
Hello Peter and the community, please note that the same profile sound applies too the Sonos Playbar which I still love and used (with my Sonos Sub gen 2 and 2 Sonos one). Thank you for all these clear explanation!
This newest update is janky & killed my low end bass. My subs no longer “kick” even with settings all the way at 15. So frustrating, sonos needs to release another update to patch the glitch or whatever it is.
Love the content! Can you please do an updated video for your original suggested Sonos arc settings for treble, bass, upfiring speaker volume, sub settings, etc.?
Prior to this update… My walls to rumble! I want that back. If I wanted dialogue clarity, I’d toggle on the option. Those of you who are satisfied probably live in apartments/condominiums and have to be considerate of your neighbors.
Thank you for this great video. It makes much more sense to me now. However, the Trueplay tuning is way off with sub and surrounds. I complained @ Sonos and just got the feedback by email that they are aware that Trueplay, in some circumstances, is not working correctly and they are working on a patch to fix the issue. When the patch comes out is unclear, but they are working on it, that's all they could tell me. I'm very curious when you have the time to test the arc with the surrounds and sub and running Trueplay. You might be amazed when you do the measurements. My guess is, that after Trueplay, the curve is going up and down all over the frequency range. Especially the mid-bass in a peak, and the low-bass, way lower. So that's very hard to compensate. I brought down the bass at -2 and sub-level at +9. But I can still tell that the mid-bass is now overpowered, meanwhile the low-bass is where it should. I don't have measure equipment, but this is what my ears are telling me. Might be totally wrong about this after you show us your hard data. I also did read a lot of reactions on the Sonos community where people advice to use the system with Trueplay off. Seems the Sub is better now with Trueplay off. Let's hope there will be a patch available soon 🙏
Brilliant (as usual ) , highly appreciated Peter 👌 Strongly support the call to Sonos to allow adjustment to the center channel. Looking forward to your upcoming best setting walkthrough video ✨✨
Peter! Thank you very much! I started to get concerned when I noticed my volume levels changing and you helped resolve my anxiety haha. After seeing other comments on the sub issues I had the same question so I look forward to seeing that video when it comes out. Thanks for always giving practical insights on this stuff. I’m sure it takes a lot of time so it is appreciated! Cheers!
Great informative video as always. I agree centre channel adjustment would be a benefit in a surround sound set up. It can’t be so hard to implement as there is currently the speech enhancement button available although it is a fixed on or off enhancement and not variable that would be of more use. Keep up the good work Peter 👏🏻👏🏻
Have to agree with you Peter, giving us control of the entire sound profile would be so beneficial. Not everyone likes the profile Sonos forced on us. We pay top dollar for a Sonos set up, and not having the option to play with sound profile is making me think going back to a dedicated system maybe gut be in my future. I don't think Sonos wants people to jump ship and go back to dedicated hardware, so hopefully they hear us out and give us what we really want, instead of what they think we do.
Are the comments and suggestions only when the Arc is used by itself? What about when using with Sub and One SLs? Does the recommendation to lower bass and increase treble still apply? I also find the surrounds sometimes overpower the Arc, any thoughts on that?
The test is done with just the ARC on its own. Haven't had time to go the mile yet. For the surrounds overpowering, just turn it down in the surrounds setting.
Fantastic, in depth video as always Peter. My ears have adjusted to 14.12, with a slight boost in the treble and bass (arc+sub+one sl’s) on the S2 app. I do find myself not having to turn the volume up and down anywhere near as much between action and dialogue heavy scenes. Furthermore bass still shakes my room on what I’d consider very moderate settings (bass +2 and sub +1). Looking forward to your next video as I’ve always trusted your ears more than mine & utilise your settings.
Thanks for the support and trust Leon! I will get to that video soon enough. Also I echo your experience. There is really more balance to the sound levels throughout the entire movie and not having to adjust the volume as much is great!
I've always wondered why SONOS lock us into profiles. I can think of many times I wish I could adjust the center channel for dialogue. This would be an awesome new feature.
Hi Peter thanks for always posting such useful and wonderful videos! Have you noticed any change in the sound signature for music listening after the update? I'm on Arc+sub+ones and I feel the sound stage and sound is so much worse than before. It's as if the music feels quite much emptier / hollow. Tbh quite disappointed with this update.
Thank you Peter. Excellent video, thoroughly explained and very inciteful as always. As others have mentioned, be very interesting to hear your thoughts on the differences with Trueplay on and off and also with the full setup with surrounds and sub. Many thanks again for taking the time to explain and share your findings with us, it's much appreciated as It must consume a huge amount of your time.
I feel like we should get a 12 point, and F/R F/L C R/R R/L specific controls - Though I think it should be locked behind a button, with a warning regarding speaker health - for people that don't actually know what they are doing.
Peter, an excellent video with analysis. I have a few questions about the recommendation that made in your video about decreasing the bass and increasing the treble. When the arc is paired with the sub, do we get the same sound profile after the update? Secondly, I have a Sub, gen 3 paired with Arc and two SL ones and if I have to decrease the bass, should I be decreasing the bass on the Sub or on the arc? Also, I have an Amaze Dolby Atmos trailer (official) downloaded from Dolby, and earlier to the update, the sound as well as the dynamics was comparable to that of a traditional 5.1.2. Because I have the 5.1.2 set-up and have played the trailer over and over on both and I always appreciated how well Sonos reproduced. However, now with the 14.12 update, I'm totally disappointed with the sound. It's not the volume, the thunder rumbling sound in the trailer is so underwhelming, never expected that Sonos would do this to the community!
I realised that disabling wifi on the Arc disables LFE to sub, which is what had happened. I have a Ethernet connection to my Arc and had disabled wifi. No wonder no LFE was being felt from Sub
I just wanted to add a comment. I’ve been going around and around with Sonos. Their is a fix coming. However if you turn off true play it makes it better. It bring some back so I hope that helps this situation for someone. Still not the same though
Hi Peter, thanks for this measurements on new update. Also I have to say that Sonos not only change the soundsignature but also the soundstage. I have two setups with Arc, Sub and Ones. One of them is connected to PC to use as gaming setup. With the latest update I feel that the Arc uses more the side speakers and create a narrow soundstage, using this firesides for more work now than before with rear sounds that uses to with Ones speakers. So the "feel" is that I am on a triangle shape of soundstage than a circular, as previos version. For gaming last update not work very well...I think that this update has more to do with Arc alone than with full setup...
I haven’t updated yet, but testing with Stranger Things season 4 would be huge. Their surround mix was always super loud compared to the center dialogue.
I actually think 14.12 sounds better. Compensating for the difference in levels, around 5-6 dB, it sounds like they cleaned up the midrange, mid-bass and low end. The 14.10 version sounds a bit boomy on the low end and not as clean. I can't say I notice much difference in the higher frequencies.
Sonos should definitely give the users free control of Centre channel volume and better EQ adjustment. I also keep submitting requests for proper home cinema control, adding another more powerful DSP product to control more channels in High Definition. I would love to hear a Sonos cinema using only “Five” speakers. Give power to the consumer to configure the speakers and sound profile as simple or complex as the individual desires.
Heck yeah!!!! I wish Sonos can let us adjust the center channel. Since my side walls are far from Sonos Arc, I wish I can adjust the side firing speakers too.
Hi Peter. In our German community a staff Member of Sonos statet that they are working on an Update for Users with Arc+Sub+Sourrounds. Trueplay should be off up to the Update
The reason you get less volume with an EQ change upping certain frequencies is clipping. In order to prevent clipping you have to lower the pre gain, which is the gain of the sound before being amplified through the amplifier. That’s why you have to increase the volume (which means increase the amplifier output) to get the same volume levels.
Hey Peter! I am regular viewer of the videos and appreciate the work and analysis you put there. I agree.. the overall volume is low with the latest update and I felt it while watching the movies (struggled with a problem you mentioned at 6:01 timestamp and still the same). May be great update for few but I would prefer the earlier version. Thanks and keep up the great work.
Maybe try with some EQ tweaks more and see if that helps? I think reduce the bass a bit more and get volume much higher to even out the curve and see if the response is smoother.
Thanks Peter for the update info. Like most I've been dissappointed with hearing the dialogue on my sonos setup. Thought it was down to my hearing not 100% where I struggle a bit with dialogue anyways. I have the arc, sub and surronds. I may of missed this but are you able to give your recommended set up for the combo setup with the new 14.12 update? Thanks
Great content as usual. Idk, either SONOS fixes this or I'm returnning my whole 5.1.2 SONOS set-up. I didn't pay that much money to get less, especially from the sub.
Peter! after an update, lots of people lost sub power, it sounds so different ( bad wise ). i use gen3 sub and now its so bad… i did twoce trueplay and still same bad sound Do You know something about that?
Thanks for the video Peter. Not sure if this was answered but how are user affected if they are using a sub and not being depended on the base from the arc?
As always a interesting & informative video. I fully agree and would like to have control of how I would like my surround audio to sound. Agree for a controllable central/ speech/ dialogue channel Surely S2 app team at Sonos would be appreciative. Cheers Al
I prepared that portion of test too! I just need time to get it out. And given this video was going at about more than half an hour long already I couldn’t bear to add to it.
@@PeterPee I'd be curious about this as I currently have the Arc + Sub Gen3 combo and for me the bass is great still. Not over bearing at all and still hits when it should.
It will go down in the comments and also has nothing to do with 14.12: Does anyone also have the issue with the Arc periodically having a big pop when using Dolby Atmos content? It is terribly and frighteningly loud. Feels like the problem has gotten worse since 14.12. Apart from that: Thanks for the as always great content and your research, Peter.
Thanks for another great video Peter. An idea for another video could be Sonos while traveling/on the go for Hotels, Air Bnb camping etc. I justed ordered a travel router to start experimenting with this. I also want to experiment with the hot spot on my work phone for more remote locations like camping or the beach. I'm curious as to how much data that might use up.
@@PeterPee thanks for the response Peter, that's good to know. I currently have a move and a roam. I was thinking about getting a second move as well. I was trying to figure out a way where I could bring 2 moves and a roam on vacation and easily connect them on air bnb wifi. Also I have set my move up outside for beach volleyball, but with all the activity noises , it would really do better with two of them so I was trying to figure out how to connect 2 at the same time on a beach or outside etc.
You’re most welcome. I think maybe even I should give them some time to stabilise the sound profile if the rumour that they are considering middle ground is true.
@@PeterPee it’s awful. I tried what you suggested and it helps a little. What I don’t understand is why my sub is so soft now. I have it turned all the way up. No punch. I have an appointment with Sonos next week. Telephone call. Thanks for everything Pete
Thank you for the video Peter!!! I have a Sonos Arc + 1x Sub + 2x One SL surrounds. After this update, my sub is totally quiet. Any chance that you can tell me how to address this issue that not only me but many others too are experiencing? I have done Trueplay after the update but it makes it worse! Turning off Trueplay makes my Sub come back somewhat but not the same as 14.10!!! What is going on???
I am really starting to wonder if Sonos put out two different updates. Because for me, the bass was actually improved, if I had volume matched to the same levels as before. The sub is definitely working for me. Can you try to adjust the Sub setting? Kick it up 4-5 notches and see if you can get it back?
Sonos: listen to Peter and us users! You need to give the users to allow users to change the volume profile as our preferences. This new upgrades 14.12 killed the bass in My two (gen 3) Subs. I got more bass from my two Ones and Arc and Sibs are a waste of my hard earned money.
By Sonos allowing its customers more control over the center channel EQ , Sonos would attract even a wider customer base . In particular , those of us who like to tweak the sound too are liking for personnel reasons such as age hearing loss or just plain old personnel preference . A manual override of factory settings , to certain point of course , would greatly benefit customers like Peter and myself along with a few million more people who love Sonos products but would like to have a better control over the sound .
Very interesting! It would be interesting too, if you could measure separate frequency response sweeps for the left, right and centre channels. I wonder if the centre is boosted from the left and right channels/speakers?
@@PeterPee sure it can be done. Just mix a sound sweep file made in aac surround and apply all the sound to only one channel per sweep. Just like how sounds only come from one certain channel in a movie surround format or a song with stereo separation chords
A proper EQ is so desperately needed across all Sonos products. But I don't want a parametric EQ, they are too complex. I think 6-bands fixed would be perfect, that keeps it relatively simple, high and low, bass, mids and treble. 8 or 10 bands fixed would be fine too but then it gets more complex for people who don't understand hertz scales.
Hello Peter, first of all thank you for your superb videos. I really like how analytical you are covering these topics. Question: have you tried the iphone 13 pro for trueplay? And if, how did it perform? Greetings from germany
Hi! Greetings from Singapore too! I have used the iPhone 13 for trueplay. But it wasn't a big difference from iPhone 12 which was average. So I didn't cover it more. And nowadays, I run without trueplay anyway cos of the work I need to do on the channel.
Thank you Peter for another great video, you made me feel a little better about the 14.12 update because at first I was really disappointed. Looking forward to your next video testing the Sonos Sub with the update. I know there has been a ton of negative comments concerning this 14.12 update, since you understand Sonos alot better than me do you think Sonos will offer another update to correct the perceived problem with the sound profile?
I suspect with enough public consumer pressure they’d come up with a rollback or a solution to tweak. Think back to the days when they launched the arc. There was a problem with the bass which they obviously thought it was ok but the mass of buyers didn’t think so. They also had to tweak the dsp to smoothen out the bass a little to appease the consumer.
Does the new sound signature of 14.12 for the arc also apply to the surrounds? Or does it remain the same for the surrounds as 14.10? Or is there a different new sound signature for the surrounds? Thank you
@Peter Pee, I will soon be purchasing the Arc - my first Sonos product. I don't mind a brighter sound, do you think I'll be disappointed with the default sound settings after I update the firm/soft ware and run Trueplay?
After 14.12 ,sound signature is better and metallic brighter sound is kind of normalized..First step by Sonos to get warmer pleasant sound. As Sonos admitted trueplay and sub volume issues wait in this regard until next update
Hi, Peter I just got the update too. I just have a quick question. I have the Gen 2 system with the sub, sound bar and 4 speakers. When I set it up I labeled the first set, up front living room 1, and the back set living room 2...My question is why don't I get sound out of all four speakers? Did I wastes my money by buying two extra speakers or am I doing something wrong?? Thanks for the explanation of update.
Peter what about the arc + sub test after the update? I think that there is a big difference in the sub bass area. IMO It is not only the volume but the quality of bass is different. While listening to bass oriented music it is much worse now :( Feels a little plastic and cheap. Hold on! But it is the same subwoofer so I feel kinda robbed now!
OK so professional sound engineers have improved the sound. It sounds better to my ears, and that's all that matters. So all you negative Nancie's who think a volume drop = worse quality should just press the + volume button a couple times and stop whining already! Also, run your TruePlay tuning again....
@@SummerLuck what issue exactly? the main problem I have with my woofer is a "fluttering" sort of sound when the sound is paused momentarily but I think that's because of the way my LGCX is sending sound output, as it doesn't seem to happen if it's a direct wifi source.
My biggest issue to replace my current cheap sound bar is dialogue understanding. I have been using Sonos for a Long time but the WAF needs to be covered and dialogue is vital with her as well. A equalizer would help more the decision.
Exactly! The current consumer profile they are targeting are the males. I think with an ability to tweak dialogue for Korean drama, it might open up a whole new market for Sonos. Ha.
Oh! That's an interesting angle. If they allow for FULL EQ, then they might want to consider it for all channels. Individual EQs for all channels. But... That will take away the ease of use. Maybe the pro mode that will unlock all these!
Thank you for your awesome videos and the time you take to make them great. I absolutely agree with you, Sonos needs to allow user volume control of the center channel. This would totally fix the problem of low dialog, without changing the sound profile for everyone.
Disproportionate number of likes on this comment! Ha! Yes Sonos, we all want that!
I agree 100%. Sonos needs a parametric EQ and the ability to change the sound profile of the center channel independent from the rest.
I also want Sonos to allow the pairing of two more One SL speakers for the fronts, that way we can enhance our Atmos sound
Dear Peter,
Thank you very much for reviewing the new update 14.12. You really have done a lot of great jobs for reviewing everything about Sonos.
We are looking forward from you for the best setting for Sonos Arc, Sub Gen 3, and Pair of One SL, for the new update 14.12 please!
It is really disappointing from Sonos they do that for decreasing or dropping the sound level while they have to enhance it to be better not for worse so that we have to play with EQ until to get the best sound as the previous update.
Last your best setting was:
Trueplay: ON
Bass: -2
Treble: +3
Loudness: ON
Night Mode: OFF
Speech: OFF
Sub: -4
Surround: 0
Heights: +4
Looking for your best setting with the new update 14.12.
Thank you very much and we are really highly appreciated it.
Thanks Saeed, I will be getting to that video but will need a bit of time. Best settings videos takes a LONG time. :)
@@PeterPee I'm looking forward to this video also. :)
Thank you as always. The dialogue struggle has always been a thing for me with the volume, being able to change the volume of the center would be amazing.
I was super happy at first. But now I think it’s a bit too loud. Agree! They should must give us center/dialogue vol controls.
I was just thinking the same the other day that i wish i could control the center channel. But instead we can adjust the height. meh
@@mlittletn I know the height!? I will say in one of Peter‘s previous videos he shows trueplay and it really does matter if you get too close to the arc because then the dialogue will be lower.
All the testing in the world doesn’t change my mind . What I had before this update was great. Agree that Sonos shouldn’t be forcing some of these changes on everyone.
Given the disproportionate number of likes on this comment I think Sonos will do well to take heed. :)
Agreed. Do not change the sound profile. I had volume on 100 for Hulu content and it was still muddled. Come on, Sonos!
@@PeterPee Will Sonos fix it with another update?
@@mattk5020 I'll be the contrarian, my arc has never sounded better, dialogue is so much clearer and there is no crazy high tin sound anymore
@@notacapulet muddled? According to Peter this update would make it less muddled. Just quieter.
Also are you really saying that you listen to the Arc at 100 volume? If so i think you need to check your ears D:
Thanks for the vídeo Peter. As someone else already commented, please retest the several Arc combinations with Sub (Gen 3), surrounds, both, etc. and also with Trueplay, since a lot are complaining regarding the Sub performance with Trueplay engaged.
Thank you very much
Totally agree, Sub (gen3) is ruined by this update
I usually do testing without Trueplay because Trueplay accounts for the room and that's my room not the same for everyone. But good point. I will bear that in mind for this test.
@@loicjuillerat6461 but can y’all calm down sonos legit said there’s a bug that will be fixed soon. I think we can survive the sub for a week or 2. Why would Peter retest everything just to have to test it again once it’s fixed…..
@@cestseb I think that a company is supposed to test release before releasing update right ? But I also think you don’t even own a sub/arc combination … Just react for the fun. Feel free also to analyse dates of comments as you are also totally out of context with your bug statement.
I thought it was my ears or something with the arc after the update and wanted to lower bass and bump treble.
Finally watched your video.
Pre update 14.10 : Bass -2 , Treble +4.
After update 14.12 : Bass -5 , Treble +5
After the update i had to lower the bass all the way to -5 so dialogue does not sound muddy!!! And bump treble to +6 so surround shines again. What a difference in the sound profile. Such big changes!
I have not decided yet what it should be for my sub which was at -4 pre update.
I can tell for sure that dialogue is very good after lower bass to -5. And for sure much better than before update.
It just worries me that the mids might dissapear having bass that low. Anything higher than -5 dialogue then sounds muddy though.
Dont know of i can compensate mids with the help of the sub.
If my mids are fine with these settings, i seriously believe that this update was a very good one.
Thanks Peter, the sound profile does sound nice for movies, the sub crossover is horrible now. The overall volume is too low. 100% volume on 14.12 is about 80% on 14.10. it's a huge decrease when the source isn't very loud. I really hope they increase the overall volume on another update and let the sub do its job again
But do you watch things at 100% or 80% ? I can’t even get past (with 14.12) 60 with streaming and 50 with lossless without questioning if I’m going to go deaf on a binge.
@@mrzedark3190 I listen to music at 80% quite often. Which is now around 100% with 14.12. with older tracks or when the actual track isn't loud. 100% is not loud enough with 14.12
@@titin200 What ?? I barely go to 35-40 are you okay ?! XD
Actually we are all different and the room size also matters when it comes to volume setting. No judging here but I am sure there are some who needs it at 100%. But for me personally, I RARELY go past 40 or so. In fact, only for testing and making videos for the channel do I go beyond 50.
And my wife wants me to wait for the times when she is out of the house before I do the videos!
Nice video Peter. I love how Sonos updates the sound quality. I fully trust their expertise.
This update is way too much. I never had an issue especially after the 14.10 update. I finally had my system sounding just the way I liked for the first time since I bought it. Sonos needs to fix this and give us control of the center channel and revert back to something that sounds more like 14.10. I already listen to everything loud and have to max the Arc out to %100. Totally gutted over all this. Thanks so much Peter for all your hard work!
You’re welcome. And wow, you are at 100%? Do you have a sub tethered to it as well?
You listen to stuff at Volume 100?! GEEZUS!
@@PeterPee Arc + 2 (Gen3) subs + 2 (Gen 2) One's. Pre update Atmos content between 70-78 volume, tv/cable content 62-68, music 72-80. Now it's up 15%+ after 14.12. Even my Beam I have to play everything at louder volumes. It sounded great pre update even with the high volumes, but now I can't stand it.
Bet you neighbours are happy 😂
Many thanks to you Peter. Every Sonos product should have your UA-cam channel as a sticker on the box. You’re knowledge is so helpful! Always appreciate your insight. I really hope Sonos are watching this and taking notes to complete a fix!
I might need to change the color of my logo to black and white to fit into the color scheme of Sonos to get the brand colors to fit on the box! :) Thanks for that!
Funny: I just bought the Arc so didn’t get to know the sound with the previous firmware. And still the first thing I did after tuning it was to reduce 2 points of bass and increase 1 of treble. Nice to know my ears are still measuring well!
Thanks Peter!! Really appreciate how you broke down the details in an easy to understand fashion. I’m very interested to hear what your suggested settings are now after the update!
Awesome, thank you! And that video will be coming up soon!
You are my Sonos guidance counselor! thank you Peter!
Happy to help!
Peter you are my number one person to see if update or hardware is good in Sonos world. You are not sugaring to anyone and it's great. I really appreciate your channel and work you do!
Now to my subjective opinion. I liked old profile better as I am bass person. I heard same clip on headphones and for me old firmware sounds better even though I was missing some of dialogues. Maybe I am not get used to new profile yet but I would like to have and option which profile to choose or have ability to fine tune it with proper settings. I hope Sonos will fix their mess as this is not same hardware I bought and was happy with it.
I think we are all crying out for the feature to allow for tweaking ourselves! Even if it is just for changing the center channel levels! Thanks for showing your appreciation!
Thanks for this video, I hope sonos realise the error they have made and correct this asap.
I’ve contacted the staff through chat, sent a diagnostic report and sent an email.
Im now regretting switching my beam for an arc. From what i understand, sonos are trying to compensate for the lack of voice clarity by dropping the sound on the non central speakers. What they fail to realise is that many users (such as myself) use sonos mainly for music. This new sound signature has removed the dynamic full sound i loved. I also like to have the music loud, thats been hampered too. They need to give the user the opportunity to change the eq for all ranges of sound. Sony and other leading companies have the option on all top end systems, even headphones. What do sonos not give us this option? Are they trying to protect the speakers? Not enough power in the arc? I would also like to know why they have changed the output of the sub. They oblige us to link it to the ark and thus the arc dulls out the sound it used to produce. I would rather it had its old sound signature back and was independent from the arc.
Spending thousands on a sound system for Sonos to give us no choice but to impose sound signatures we don’t want is really bad business. They could even create a menu with different sound signatures to allow us to choose. Just like Devialet, Sony etc, That way satisfy music and movie lovers.
Anyway, thanks for your help. Im looking into the Sony HT-A9. That way i will have full control of the settings and not have to worry about what the next update will do. I’ll give sonos a few weeks to get the sound back to where it was before moving on.
I have the A9. I heard the arc at a showroom. I think the A9 is way better especially for music. Incredibly the phantom centre channel sounds like having a physical speaker. Only gripe I have is the choice of sub. You only have 2 choices. SW3 and SW5 but I think sonos is badder in choice of sub.
Would you really claim that most users use the sonos arc for music? I think most people would just get a sonos five, or two. Or even multiple ones spread around.
It kind of makes sense to tune a soundbar for movies and TV.
Center ch adjustement would be good to allow for people who want to tune it. But I dont think your claim is correct.
@@cestseb I didn't say 'most', i said 'many' there is a big difference in the two words and their meanings. Despite that, i have a Sonos Sub, if i were to use my SL one speakers only with the sub it would mean no longer having it connected to the Arc. Or...... i would have to continuously disconnect the sub from the SL ones when watching TV then disconnect it from the Arc when listening to music. The Update has really affected the Subs sound signature whether with the Arc or the Sl Ones. So the problem is the same.
Yes Peter! Plz give us a new set up suggestion after the last Sonos update.
Thank you Peter, I thought again it was me! I’ve done loads of Trueplay thinking it was me! I’ve had increase volume by 10 to 30 to hear it. Wish they would sort! I’ve put my updates to manual now.
Stay tuned! Where possible I’d roll out videos asap to let you guys know whether to update or not but the truth is there are other commitments I have so just let me try my best!
Hello Peter and the community, please note that the same profile sound applies too the Sonos Playbar which I still love and used (with my Sonos Sub gen 2 and 2 Sonos one).
Thank you for all these clear explanation!
Apart from great content - your editing is really impressive as well 👍🏻
Thanks! I recently switched back to Final Cut Pro and spending more time to get the videos more polished.
Thanks Peter! I would love Sonos to implement a midrange adjustment so I could up the vocals while leaving treble and bass settings alone.
This newest update is janky & killed my low end bass. My subs no longer “kick” even with settings all the way at 15. So frustrating, sonos needs to release another update to patch the glitch or whatever it is.
Same here. Very disappointed.
Love the content! Can you please do an updated video for your original suggested Sonos arc settings for treble, bass, upfiring speaker volume, sub settings, etc.?
Just in time for the weekend. Thank you.
Absolutely a centre channel adjustment feature is totally needed. If I had known this issue, I would have not bought the Arc.
Prior to this update… My walls to rumble! I want that back. If I wanted dialogue clarity, I’d toggle on the option. Those of you who are satisfied probably live in apartments/condominiums and have to be considerate of your neighbors.
Thank you for this great video. It makes much more sense to me now. However, the Trueplay tuning is way off with sub and surrounds.
I complained @ Sonos and just got the feedback by email that they are aware that Trueplay, in some circumstances, is not working correctly and they are working on a patch to fix the issue. When the patch comes out is unclear, but they are working on it, that's all they could tell me.
I'm very curious when you have the time to test the arc with the surrounds and sub and running Trueplay. You might be amazed when you do the measurements. My guess is, that after Trueplay, the curve is going up and down all over the frequency range. Especially the mid-bass in a peak, and the low-bass, way lower. So that's very hard to compensate. I brought down the bass at -2 and sub-level at +9. But I can still tell that the mid-bass is now overpowered, meanwhile the low-bass is where it should. I don't have measure equipment, but this is what my ears are telling me. Might be totally wrong about this after you show us your hard data.
I also did read a lot of reactions on the Sonos community where people advice to use the system with Trueplay off. Seems the Sub is better now with Trueplay off.
Let's hope there will be a patch available soon 🙏
Amazing video. Thanks for this update! Sonos
Should hire you
I don’t mind a job as customer service. Then I could chat with you guys all day and still get paid!
Brilliant (as usual ) , highly appreciated Peter 👌
Strongly support the call to Sonos to allow adjustment to the center channel.
Looking forward to your upcoming best setting walkthrough video ✨✨
Peter! Thank you very much! I started to get concerned when I noticed my volume levels changing and you helped resolve my anxiety haha. After seeing other comments on the sub issues I had the same question so I look forward to seeing that video when it comes out. Thanks for always giving practical insights on this stuff. I’m sure it takes a lot of time so it is appreciated! Cheers!
Thanks for understanding! I really want to get that video out but there are other commitments so do bear with me for a while!
Of course! Gotta prioritize and take time for what you need!:) We will all be alright and I’m glad to wait. Take care
Great informative video as always. I agree centre channel adjustment would be a benefit in a surround sound set up. It can’t be so hard to implement as there is currently the speech enhancement button available although it is a fixed on or off enhancement and not variable that would be of more use. Keep up the good work Peter 👏🏻👏🏻
Oh yes Mark, that's another way. Dialogue enhancement variable adjustments. Not just off and on.
Have to agree with you Peter, giving us control of the entire sound profile would be so beneficial. Not everyone likes the profile Sonos forced on us. We pay top dollar for a Sonos set up, and not having the option to play with sound profile is making me think going back to a dedicated system maybe gut be in my future. I don't think Sonos wants people to jump ship and go back to dedicated hardware, so hopefully they hear us out and give us what we really want, instead of what they think we do.
Hey Rob, I would love that too! I want to tweak at the very least, volume levels for individual channels!
We are all adults here Sonos. Allow us to make our own adjustments.
Peter. Thanks for the great content.
I hope Sonos Fixes 14.12 and revert the update. If not that means The Bose 900 is better with the crazy good EQ Settings... for less monay...
Are the comments and suggestions only when the Arc is used by itself? What about when using with Sub and One SLs? Does the recommendation to lower bass and increase treble still apply? I also find the surrounds sometimes overpower the Arc, any thoughts on that?
The test is done with just the ARC on its own. Haven't had time to go the mile yet. For the surrounds overpowering, just turn it down in the surrounds setting.
Fantastic, in depth video as always Peter. My ears have adjusted to 14.12, with a slight boost in the treble and bass (arc+sub+one sl’s) on the S2 app. I do find myself not having to turn the volume up and down anywhere near as much between action and dialogue heavy scenes. Furthermore bass still shakes my room on what I’d consider very moderate settings (bass +2 and sub +1). Looking forward to your next video as I’ve always trusted your ears more than mine & utilise your settings.
Thanks for the support and trust Leon! I will get to that video soon enough. Also I echo your experience. There is really more balance to the sound levels throughout the entire movie and not having to adjust the volume as much is great!
I've always wondered why SONOS lock us into profiles. I can think of many times I wish I could adjust the center channel for dialogue. This would be an awesome new feature.
Since day 1 I have been missing that my friend.
Hi Peter thanks for always posting such useful and wonderful videos! Have you noticed any change in the sound signature for music listening after the update? I'm on Arc+sub+ones and I feel the sound stage and sound is so much worse than before. It's as if the music feels quite much emptier / hollow. Tbh quite disappointed with this update.
Thank you Peter. Excellent video, thoroughly explained and very inciteful as always. As others have mentioned, be very interesting to hear your thoughts on the differences with Trueplay on and off and also with the full setup with surrounds and sub. Many thanks again for taking the time to explain and share your findings with us, it's much appreciated as It must consume a huge amount of your time.
Thanks for showing your appreciation. And yes it does take a lot of time. So do allow me a bit more time. I hope to get there soon!
Thank you, Peter, for addressing this very important issue!
I’d love to address it further when and if they make more changes! Stay tuned!
I feel like we should get a 12 point, and F/R F/L C R/R R/L specific controls - Though I think it should be locked behind a button, with a warning regarding speaker health - for people that don't actually know what they are doing.
Or enable a pro mode? I think a viewer suggested that before!
@@PeterPee exactly like that! Would be great!
But first give me Atmos rear. Lol
Yes definitely about time Sonos gave us a customised centre channel.
Would be a dream. I won’t claim credit for suggesting that. But I think they should look this direction and see that enough people want it.
Thank you for the helpful content. Keep up the good work
Peter, an excellent video with analysis. I have a few questions about the recommendation that made in your video about decreasing the bass and increasing the treble. When the arc is paired with the sub, do we get the same sound profile after the update? Secondly, I have a Sub, gen 3 paired with Arc and two SL ones and if I have to decrease the bass, should I be decreasing the bass on the Sub or on the arc?
Also, I have an Amaze Dolby Atmos trailer (official) downloaded from Dolby, and earlier to the update, the sound as well as the dynamics was comparable to that of a traditional 5.1.2. Because I have the 5.1.2 set-up and have played the trailer over and over on both and I always appreciated how well Sonos reproduced. However, now with the 14.12 update, I'm totally disappointed with the sound. It's not the volume, the thunder rumbling sound in the trailer is so underwhelming, never expected that Sonos would do this to the community!
What trailer is that?
@@JakFooO Amaze, that’s the name of the Dolby Atmos trailer
@@JakFooO It’s this one, ua-cam.com/video/kvAfmYNtugQ/v-deo.html but download from the offical Dolby site so that all channels are preserved
I realised that disabling wifi on the Arc disables LFE to sub, which is what had happened. I have a Ethernet connection to my Arc and had disabled wifi. No wonder no LFE was being felt from Sub
Thank you Pedro!
It has reassured me a lot, always recommended, work and Sonos Arc firmware review. I'm waiting for more 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
More to come! This is an ecosystem I am familiar with and I thought there is no better way to share it than here!
I just wanted to add a comment. I’ve been going around and around with Sonos. Their is a fix coming. However if you turn off true play it makes it better. It bring some back so I hope that helps this situation for someone. Still not the same though
Hi Peter, thanks for this measurements on new update. Also I have to say that Sonos not only change the soundsignature but also the soundstage. I have two setups with Arc, Sub and Ones. One of them is connected to PC to use as gaming setup. With the latest update I feel that the Arc uses more the side speakers and create a narrow soundstage, using this firesides for more work now than before with rear sounds that uses to with Ones speakers. So the "feel" is that I am on a triangle shape of soundstage than a circular, as previos version. For gaming last update not work very well...I think that this update has more to do with Arc alone than with full setup...
Yes, it does center the soundstage a little stronger. It helps with the voice channel.
Thanks Pete! Appreciate your info.
I haven’t updated yet, but testing with Stranger Things season 4 would be huge. Their surround mix was always super loud compared to the center dialogue.
I actually think 14.12 sounds better. Compensating for the difference in levels, around 5-6 dB, it sounds like they cleaned up the midrange, mid-bass and low end. The 14.10 version sounds a bit boomy on the low end and not as clean. I can't say I notice much difference in the higher frequencies.
The higher frequency changes are small. Not as obvious.
I completely agree with this!
Great video, Peter. I agree with you - I'd like Sonos to provide the ability to volume control the centre channel.
Sonos should definitely give the users free control of Centre channel volume and better EQ adjustment. I also keep submitting requests for proper home cinema control, adding another more powerful DSP product to control more channels in High Definition. I would love to hear a Sonos cinema using only “Five” speakers. Give power to the consumer to configure the speakers and sound profile as simple or complex as the individual desires.
Heck yeah!!!! I wish Sonos can let us adjust the center channel. Since my side walls are far from Sonos Arc, I wish I can adjust the side firing speakers too.
Hi Peter. In our German community a staff Member of Sonos statet that they are working on an Update for Users with Arc+Sub+Sourrounds. Trueplay should be off up to the Update
The reason you get less volume with an EQ change upping certain frequencies is clipping. In order to prevent clipping you have to lower the pre gain, which is the gain of the sound before being amplified through the amplifier. That’s why you have to increase the volume (which means increase the amplifier output) to get the same volume levels.
Hey Peter! I am regular viewer of the videos and appreciate the work and analysis you put there. I agree.. the overall volume is low with the latest update and I felt it while watching the movies (struggled with a problem you mentioned at 6:01 timestamp and still the same). May be great update for few but I would prefer the earlier version. Thanks and keep up the great work.
Maybe try with some EQ tweaks more and see if that helps? I think reduce the bass a bit more and get volume much higher to even out the curve and see if the response is smoother.
@@PeterPee Sure. Thanks again for your time, analysis and efforts.
Thanks Peter for the update info. Like most I've been dissappointed with hearing the dialogue on my sonos setup. Thought it was down to my hearing not 100% where I struggle a bit with dialogue anyways. I have the arc, sub and surronds. I may of missed this but are you able to give your recommended set up for the combo setup with the new 14.12 update? Thanks
We need a new video with new EQ settings for the ARC + 2 subs + 2 surround speakers.
I will get to that at some point. Give me some time!
I agree with Peter. Sonos: why did you force this change on us instead of allowing us to control the center channel?
Great content as usual. Idk, either SONOS fixes this or I'm returnning my whole 5.1.2 SONOS set-up. I didn't pay that much money to get less, especially from the sub.
Respectfully, I don't think you're understanding what is happening.
I'd advise to give it some time. If anything, Sonos does make changes over time. Yes, sometimes good sometimes bad. But they do act on things.
@@PeterPee I'll wait. If they fix the sub and increase the volume, then it'll be fine.
New viewer, appreciate the detail you go into keep up this great content.
Welcome aboard! And thank you for the feedback. I have to control myself else I keep going on and on. :)
Like your reviews. Where can one get a hold of that Atmos demo clip you showed in this review?
Peter! after an update, lots of people lost sub power, it sounds so different ( bad wise ). i use gen3 sub and now its so bad… i did twoce trueplay and still same bad sound
Do You know something about that?
The profile changed also, with the sub it is slightly more difficult to level out. Let me try to figure out a way.
Thanks for the video Peter. Not sure if this was answered but how are user affected if they are using a sub and not being depended on the base from the arc?
That, is exactly what I will be covering in a future video.
As always a interesting & informative video.
I fully agree and would like to have control of how I would like my surround audio to sound. Agree for a controllable central/ speech/ dialogue channel
Surely S2 app team at Sonos would be appreciative.
Cheers
Al
Thanks! could you please investigate the drop in SUB output after 14.12 ? ARC + SUB.
I prepared that portion of test too! I just need time to get it out. And given this video was going at about more than half an hour long already I couldn’t bear to add to it.
@@PeterPee definitely looking forward to this. thanks
@@PeterPee I'd be curious about this as I currently have the Arc + Sub Gen3 combo and for me the bass is great still. Not over bearing at all and still hits when it should.
Great video! Thanks. Question: if you have a sub or even 2 subs, does the power distribution change? Do you get a different overall response etc?
I feel the sub performance or perceived volume is also effected by this update. Loudness function isn’t really helping at Low volumes too.
Center channel adjustment would be good.
I'd love that too!
Thats excellent idea to give center channel control bar to play around with minimum or maximum volume just like surrounds and base and height, etc.
Thank you Peter!!!
Pleasure is mine.
It will go down in the comments and also has nothing to do with 14.12: Does anyone also have the issue with the Arc periodically having a big pop when using Dolby Atmos content? It is terribly and frighteningly loud. Feels like the problem has gotten worse since 14.12.
Apart from that: Thanks for the as always great content and your research, Peter.
Thanks! And on your problem, I don't seem to get that issue.
Thanks for another great video Peter. An idea for another video could be Sonos while traveling/on the go for Hotels, Air Bnb camping etc.
I justed ordered a travel router to start experimenting with this. I also want to experiment with the hot spot on my work phone for more remote locations like camping or the beach. I'm curious as to how much data that might use up.
Data should be minimal. I did a video where I brought a Sonos Move along to a staycation. Would you consider the portables like Move or Roam?
@@PeterPee thanks for the response Peter, that's good to know. I currently have a move and a roam. I was thinking about getting a second move as well.
I was trying to figure out a way where I could bring 2 moves and a roam on vacation and easily connect them on air bnb wifi.
Also I have set my move up outside for beach volleyball, but with all the activity noises , it would really do better with two of them so I was trying to figure out how to connect 2 at the same time on a beach or outside etc.
I want my money back!! System sounds like trash now. I’ve tried everything to get it back. Thanks for the video
You’re most welcome. I think maybe even I should give them some time to stabilise the sound profile if the rumour that they are considering middle ground is true.
@@PeterPee it’s awful. I tried what you suggested and it helps a little. What I don’t understand is why my sub is so soft now. I have it turned all the way up. No punch. I have an appointment with Sonos next week. Telephone call. Thanks for everything Pete
The sound stage of the Arc has been a bit messy before as stated, good they try to fix it a bit!
I really hope sonos listens to this. STOP MESSING WITH THE PROFILE!!!!! Or at least let us tweak the levels in the centre.
Yes I think tweaking is the way to go. Give us the control.
Thank you for the video Peter!!! I have a Sonos Arc + 1x Sub + 2x One SL surrounds. After this update, my sub is totally quiet. Any chance that you can tell me how to address this issue that not only me but many others too are experiencing? I have done Trueplay after the update but it makes it worse! Turning off Trueplay makes my Sub come back somewhat but not the same as 14.10!!! What is going on???
I am really starting to wonder if Sonos put out two different updates. Because for me, the bass was actually improved, if I had volume matched to the same levels as before. The sub is definitely working for me.
Can you try to adjust the Sub setting? Kick it up 4-5 notches and see if you can get it back?
Thank you very much I was wondering why my sound was not that loud anymore. I am not crazy loll
Good video Peter!
Sonos: listen to Peter and us users! You need to give the users to allow users to change the volume profile as our preferences. This new upgrades 14.12 killed the bass in
My two (gen 3) Subs. I got more bass from my two Ones and Arc and Sibs are a waste of my hard earned money.
Very interesting video Peter.. I am a new user and I recently purchased the Ray which I think EQ wise is very well balanced ..
Great to hear! In fact, the dialogue for the Sonos Ray is one of the best I have heard, right out of the gate.
Great work. When will you review devialet dione soundbar?
By Sonos allowing its customers more control over the center channel EQ , Sonos would attract even a wider customer base . In particular , those of us who like to tweak the sound too are liking for personnel reasons such as age hearing loss or just plain old personnel preference . A manual override of factory settings , to certain point of course , would greatly benefit customers like Peter and myself along with a few million more people who love Sonos products but would like to have a better control over the sound .
I AGREE WITH YOU JOHN!
Very interesting! It would be interesting too, if you could measure separate frequency response sweeps for the left, right and centre channels. I wonder if the centre is boosted from the left and right channels/speakers?
Huh! That's a very interesting idea! It got me excited for a moment until I realised that it cannot be done. :(
@@PeterPee sure it can be done. Just mix a sound sweep file made in aac surround and apply all the sound to only one channel per sweep. Just like how sounds only come from one certain channel in a movie surround format or a song with stereo separation chords
A proper EQ is so desperately needed across all Sonos products. But I don't want a parametric EQ, they are too complex. I think 6-bands fixed would be perfect, that keeps it relatively simple, high and low, bass, mids and treble. 8 or 10 bands fixed would be fine too but then it gets more complex for people who don't understand hertz scales.
Hello Peter, first of all thank you for your superb videos. I really like how analytical you are covering these topics.
Question: have you tried the iphone 13 pro for trueplay? And if, how did it perform?
Greetings from germany
Hi! Greetings from Singapore too! I have used the iPhone 13 for trueplay. But it wasn't a big difference from iPhone 12 which was average. So I didn't cover it more. And nowadays, I run without trueplay anyway cos of the work I need to do on the channel.
Thank you Peter for another great video, you made me feel a little better about the 14.12 update because at first I was really disappointed. Looking forward to your next video testing the Sonos Sub with the update. I know there has been a ton of negative comments concerning this 14.12 update, since you understand Sonos alot better than me do you think Sonos will offer another update to correct the perceived problem with the sound profile?
I suspect with enough public consumer pressure they’d come up with a rollback or a solution to tweak.
Think back to the days when they launched the arc. There was a problem with the bass which they obviously thought it was ok but the mass of buyers didn’t think so. They also had to tweak the dsp to smoothen out the bass a little to appease the consumer.
Does the new sound signature of 14.12 for the arc also apply to the surrounds? Or does it remain the same for the surrounds as 14.10? Or is there a different new sound signature for the surrounds? Thank you
But the soundscape of the Arc has improved albeit it’s more soft. Probably Sonos’s way of protecting their drivers.
@Peter Pee, I will soon be purchasing the Arc - my first Sonos product. I don't mind a brighter sound, do you think I'll be disappointed with the default sound settings after I update the firm/soft ware and run Trueplay?
After 14.12 ,sound signature is better and metallic brighter sound is kind of normalized..First step by Sonos to get warmer pleasant sound. As Sonos admitted trueplay and sub volume issues wait in this regard until next update
Hi, Peter I just got the update too. I just have a quick question. I have the Gen 2 system with the sub, sound bar and 4 speakers. When I set it up I labeled the first set, up front living room 1, and the back set living room 2...My question is why don't I get sound out of all four speakers? Did I wastes my money by buying two extra speakers or am I doing something wrong?? Thanks for the explanation of update.
Just put all speakers in the same group
Hi Peter, I have tow Sonos Move . can I use this divice to use the pair of move as a Stereo pair in Bluetooth?
Peter what about the arc + sub test after the update? I think that there is a big difference in the sub bass area. IMO It is not only the volume but the quality of bass is different. While listening to bass oriented music it is much worse now :( Feels a little plastic and cheap. Hold on! But it is the same subwoofer so I feel kinda robbed now!
OK so professional sound engineers have improved the sound. It sounds better to my ears, and that's all that matters. So all you negative Nancie's who think a volume drop = worse quality should just press the + volume button a couple times and stop whining already! Also, run your TruePlay tuning again....
Are you using a subwoofer with your setup? Because I like what they did to the arc but I harte what they did to the sub.
@@TheRoelsint I am using sub and two fives are rears yeah. can’t really notice any degradation in low bass - what’s going on with your setup?
I read that there is a software update coming out soon because of the subwoofer issue since the latest update.
@@SummerLuck what issue exactly? the main problem I have with my woofer is a "fluttering" sort of sound when the sound is paused momentarily but I think that's because of the way my LGCX is sending sound output, as it doesn't seem to happen if it's a direct wifi source.
Yes please make a video with the best movie surround settings to get the best Atmos effects and bass while watching movies.
Volume control should be a must. Sonos let’s do it!
As a Beam Gen 2 user I would like to see the difference between 14.10 and 14.12 and best settings. Please Peter can you do such a video?
There will be little change to the Beam. I will get round to that in a bit of time when I have the bandwidth to investigate.
Have you compared the Bose 900 vs. Sonos Arc?
My biggest issue to replace my current cheap sound bar is dialogue understanding. I have been using Sonos for a Long time but the WAF needs to be covered and dialogue is vital with her as well. A equalizer would help more the decision.
Exactly! The current consumer profile they are targeting are the males. I think with an ability to tweak dialogue for Korean drama, it might open up a whole new market for Sonos. Ha.
I really do think they are going to implement an EQ within the app. Maybe that’s why they released this update. It would be nice!
Oh! That's an interesting angle. If they allow for FULL EQ, then they might want to consider it for all channels. Individual EQs for all channels. But... That will take away the ease of use. Maybe the pro mode that will unlock all these!