American Reacts to EU Freedom of Movement
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- American Reacts to EU Freedom of Movement
In this video I react to freedom of movement amongst countries in the EU.
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watching a 7 year old video about freedom of movement in the eu is a good way to make your comment section look like a spanish pre brexit beach in summer 😂
Brexit was a great idea sabotaged by the propaganda.
Great comment!
Damn UA-cam removing comments again.
Asylum seekers are different from refugees under international law and asylum seekers do not have to seek asylum in the first country they land in. Refugees should seek staying in the first safe country but if you look at Europe that would mean any refugees would have crossed many countries before reaching the mediterranean to cross into Europe and then Greece or Italy would have them all. Most refugees and asylum seekers do stay in their neighbouring countries and a small percentage try to get to Europe. The reason UK has such a problem with illegal immigration is because you cannot legally claim asylum in UK unless you are vitually standing on UK soil. You cannot get into UK legally for refugees and asylum seekers without entering illegally from war torn countries because there are no safe or legal routes to do that. We only have safe and legal routes for Ukranians, Hong Kongers which has just been done in the last 2 years after massive pressure on the govt to adopt a scheme where citizens opened their own homes to take in Ukranians and then after weeks and weeks the govt gave in and started flying people from Ukraine in because they were matched with people who took them into their homes. UK is kegally supposed to take in all the Afghans that worked with UK as interpretors, became judges or teachers especially women. We took a few thousand and have basically stranded the rest who we encouraged to flee to neighbouring countries and we would sort out all their visa and travel to UK from places like Pakistan etc. These people are now being told to leave the countries they fled to because it has been years with no end in sight and these people will be killed by the Taliban if they are sent back.
Yep and that's why "asylum seekers " never claimed to he refugees. Truth is 90% are simply economic immigrants.
Some thoughts on 'Freedom of Movement', the meaning of which seems to have changed to some extent since the introduction of the 'Schengen Agreement' (which of course the UK never participated in) in continental Europe.
When the UK joined what was then called the 'Common Market' in the early 1970's and 'freedom of movement' was introduced for UK citizens there were 9 member states all with relatively similar standards of living. There was no mass influx of citizens of, for example, Germany or the Netherlands into the UK to be used as cheap labour and it all worked very well. Passport controls remained in place between all of the member states, the only difference being that all restrictions on length of stay, ability to take up employment/set up a business or reside indefinitely in other member states were removed, entry could only be refused on very limited specific grounds (summarized as the individual being grossly undesirable or a threat to national security) and member states ceased stamping the passports of citizens of other member states. This was the original definition of 'freedom of movement' and remains my interpretation.
From the UK viewpoint, the problems started with the expansion of the EU in the early 2000's which gave free movement rights to citizens of Eastern European countries with lower standards of living thereby allowing an influx of cheap labour and mass immigration from these countries. This is what started opposition to EU 'free movement' by many of the UK population.
The 'Schengen Agreement' of the late 1990's which completely removed passport controls between the participating states is problematic. The UK and the Republic of Ireland never participated in this and therefore the original arrangements continued to apply. There appears to be some confusion as to what exactly freedom of movement is. As the UK (and the Republic of Ireland) never participated in the 'Schengen Agreement' we always did retain control of our borders as far as entry of non-EU/EEA nationals was concerned. We have always issued our own visas, Schengen visas never having been valid for travel to the UK, and all non-EU/EEA citizens (including nationals of countries such as Australia, Canada, Japan, NZ, USA etc who do not require a visa to enter as visitors) were properly examined on arrival by a UK immigration Officer and their passport stamped with a proper written 'leave to enter' irrespective of where they were arriving from (except when arriving from the Republic of Ireland or the Crown Dependencies -Jersey, Guernsey, Isle of Man- as a 'leave to enter' the Republic of Ireland/a Crown Dependency is valid for the UK and VV). EU/EEA nationals, although they could not normally be refused entry, were always required to show a passport or ID card to prove their status.
I can see citizens of former communist Eastern European countries who in the past were completely unable to travel to the West having a different viewpoint when it comes to being allowed to leave their country/travel to Western Europe without producing so much as a passport or ID card.
The 'Schengen Agreement' has, of course, allowed the participating states to save money by removing the passport controls at internal EU frontiers. Customs checks having been previously abolished, this allowed the participating states to completely remove all frontier checks at internal EU frontiers.
However, there is a downside to the 'Schengen Agreement'. Firstly, all participating countries are required to apply the same regulations in regard of the entry of non-EU/EEA citizens. Does it really make sense, for example, for the island of Cyprus to have to apply identical rules to, for example, Sweden? A second problem is that the lack of any internal frontier controls also allows free movement of illegal entrants across the entire continent of Europe. For the average EU citizen the requirement to simply show a passport or ID card to cross and internal EU frontier should be no big deal.
I live in Cumbria U.K. and the private company hired by the government to house migrants have taken over 8 houses in a very small town by the coast in order to house over 40 migrants and the Mayor claimed he was not informed. The company is called Serco and makes good profits from its business. I believe that we should take in the people from Ukraine because there is a bloody war going on and it is in all our interests to see Ukraine does not fall to the Russian dictatorship,also those who wish to leave Hong Kong which was a British colony until the Chinese dictatorship broke its promises. Most of the illegal migrants who cross the channel are not running from war in Africa ....corrupt leaders and poverty perhaps but logic says there must be controls. Ask any politician the question how many illegal immigrants are now in the U.K. and not a single politician could give an accurate response because at first the plan was to house them in hotels and ships off shore but some did not like their accommodation and even started fires. illegal immigrants arrive in the back of trucks on a regular basis and also hundreds have left their hotel and melted into the black economy. The people of tiny Millom have written graphitti saying the migrants are scum not nice words but very predictable if one understands human nature. Millom is an isolated small town with isolated mentality and the government is almost in chaos [note yesterday's speaker scandal] and as i have said many times politicians are at a new low in the opinion of the general public national and international laws along with a tribal and hated second house this country along with other countries are in a state of flux and i regret to say a world in a state of flux and i did say that large scale civil unrest is now inevitable but the when is down to events to come.
Yep...a lot of pissed off Scousers here on Merseyside too...
I still have my freedom of movement. But the first country you showed, UK, does not.
I can get in my car and drive from Portugal to Germany (I am half German) and visit my "other" family's hometown. ID card, perhaps a EU health card, money in my pocket, and if you speak English, French, German like I do (and some more, thanks to my parents), its a sense of freedom I think you have to experience to understand. The EU as done more for all European countries than a thousand years of Empires.
As for the UK, they endure the consequences of their choices, their choices, and we in the EU really have other things to worry about and most of us do not care about it, different worlds.
The people of Paris experienced it when the Islamists blew them up. Take your freedom of movement and shove it lad. Also would LOVE for the posh little yapping thing talking about how diversity has helped the arts...to come visit Birmingham and show me all the diverse artists...he might want to wear a Stan vest and make sure his daughters wear a hijab too...
This is a very one sided view.
The comments section is already interesting, if you hadn't already gone and took a look at 'Brexit' and how devisive it is/was these comments will give you a head start on the topic!
How we doing with classic Dr Who Dalek /Cybermen stories? If you're not a fan I totally understand.
Yes many parts of west Midlands where i live are VERY "diverse" thanks to "freedom" of movement...wearing a poppy or England shirt will get you attacked...not sure where all the "artists" they're lying about in this B.S are tho..
Hello Alan. I did that border hopping between US and Mexico and US and Canada, back in the 1990s, as you replied to me about before.
My girlfriend's family could have claimed Irish citizenship and her parents had residency in Spain before Brexit (you could not just stay).
The experience of rules in some of those EU countries seeming advisory, compared to UK insisting they were laws, was a reason many here voted to leave. If it were all equal, they would say, why were so many folk wanting to come to UK?
I enjoyed growing up in a street with people from all over Europe, but so many people arrived it was not to everyone's taste. Also I knew from seeing some of the million British in Spain that you could claim to be anything in an immigrant community and not everyone is honest.
Many years back, at university, it was pointed out by others that the European lass I was friends with obviously liked me. I made sure I checked. She had plans back home and a boyfriend. They missed that bit in the video.
Cheers, sir...hope you are keeping well...😊😊
@@eamonnclabby7067 A'reyt Eamonn. OK here, hope all OK with you.
@@alansmithee8831....loads of medical stuff....BP'S through the roof, heart failure...apart from that ,still on my feet and breathing...modern meds ,healthy diet..thanks Mrs C...and exercise...😊😊
It used to be that no passport was required for Canadians to travel to US and vice versa. One only needed a photo ID, such as a driver's license. This changed when the US introduced border controls after 9/11.
Even before Brexit, it was a bit of a weird mess with the UK and Ireland.
Because you were able to fly to Ireland from anywhere in the UK without a passport.
But to return to the UK you needed a passport with you, or you'd have to travel to Northern Ireland and then fly back from there.
Technically you could do it with government issued photo ID, but I never tried it. I've been to and fro from NI without any ID with no issues.
@@kamelionify oh, I never tried that
I just know that they don't ask for ID when going to Dublin but they ask for it coming back and you have to check in via a different line
Actually as long as you had a valid government ID such as a driving licence the UK and Ireland had a reciprocal agreement whereby you did not need a passport this worked at both airports and ferry ports - I've done it since the 80's no need for a passport.
@@alexcawthorne811 The Common Travel Agreement allows for all this. I travelled back and forth umptine times for work to the north and the south and was never asked for id of any kind. Got detained for 24 hours once coming back from Germany/France for giving the wrong answer, with an Irish passport😆😆😆
@@alexcawthorne811...same here...😊😊
There are advantages and disadvantages to the EU freedom of movement. One of the main ideas for the UK leaving the EU (Brexit) was to stop that freedom of movement and thus to take back control of our borders in order to regulate and limit immigration. Unfortunately, the opposite happened. Legal as well as illegal immigration went though the roof after Brexit.
It’s hilarious that the very people who wanted Brexit are the ones losing their shit over the increase in illegal migration, what did they expect? What incentive do the French have to stop the boats 🤷♂️ oh no these illegal immigrants want to leave the EU and go to the UK, what shall we do? 🙄 , oh yes look the other way and pretend it’s not happening 🙄
@@LS-mx1ge we will pay the heavy price, not them.
@@LS-mx1ge The Tories will be vote out but will get lucrative jobs with their donors. Meanwhile the country is in shambles and the ordinary citizens will suffer.
"One of the main ideas for the UK leaving the EU (Brexit) was to stop that freedom of movement and thus to take back control of our borders in order to regulate and limit immigration."
But this part was always just a lie. The UK could have changed its rules regarding immigrants from other EU countries anytime - the EU wasn't holding them back anyway. Each member nation has its own power to write their very own migration rules. This was, of course, also true for the UK back then.
Yes many EU citizens applied to become residents of the UK.
As for illegal immigration, there's not much you can do about that.
Well there is but every option gets voted against by the left.
Exactly the same thing is going on in the EU and the UK. This video is relative to the freedom of movement between EU citizens in EU countries. Illegal, and legal, Immigration/Emmigration is a worldwide problem for many countries and certainly not just the US. Germany had 1.46 million in 2022 and 700,000 last year. The UK lost the rights to freedom of movement when it voted for Brexit, so any UK citisen going to the EU region from the UK can now only stay for 90 days in a 180 day period. The UK and Ireland have the Common Travel Agreement, so no passport is needed and no limit on time stayed.
The only winners in freedom of movement are big businesses. Blair had the option of a cooling off period but opened the floodgates on day one. In 2004, Pavel and Andrej's enthusiastic acceptance of £6/hr to drive wagons made our annual pay rise negotiations on a measly £9/hr nigh on impossible. 2 good ways to keep a leash on a population - divide them, or water them down.
Oh for Gods sake. Blair was 20 years ago. This Tory govt has been in for 14 years and if you want to talk about undercutting wages all you have to understand is that this govt makes it legall for employers to bring in people from abroad and allow them to pay those people a fifth less than UK workers. Do you think that maybe explains a lot of the 750,000 legal migration as opposed to 40,000 illegal boat people when they land but of whom 75% will be deemed legal after processing.
Freedom of movement has kinda always been a thing, also has always been at a cost. An EU member country or not, usually put on your travel ticket if you are.
The UK is in Europe, we just ain't part of mainland Europe or EU (which other mainland countries in Europe aren't part/members of the EU aswell). I'm not sure if they have a grasp on certain things.
You would still need a passport back in the day when us Brits would go to mainland Europe and its Islands, to prove your identity (you would be waved through because you had already paid). The difference if you're not part of the EU, you have to pay at the gate and not on your ticket price. There is legal things that come into play, which means you have to pay on entry instead of on your ticket. So I'm kinda confused in what they said.
Sorry but what are you talking about? Pay what?
@@Ben-xe8ps Have you ever been to Turkey etc?
@@gavingiant6900 Turkey is not part of the EU. Are you referring to the arrangement whereby visas for Turkey can be obtained on arrival rather than in advance from the Turkish consulate on payment of a fee on arrival by UK nationals? This is a very specific case and nothing to do with the EU or EU freedom of movement.
If this is not what you are talking about, then as a retired person with an airline and travel industry background who has travelled frequently, I still have no idea of what you are talking about.
@@Ben-xe8ps I know it's not, and yes sorry I did not explain myself. But if I remember/recall correctly, the countries in the EU all chip into the EU for the freedom of movement. The government here (atleast) being the government isn't/wasn't going to do anything for free (especially when flying abroad for your holiday is classed as a luxury, therefore can be taxed), so put a tax on the airline companies. The companies then put that on your ticket, the trickle down effect. So in other words, there were never really any freedom of movement. People who were flying into EU countries from Britain just didn't notice it, unlike when going to Turkey.
I can't remember if I saw/heard or read about it, but I remember it being from an official source. And that's why I retained that bit of information about the money.
Imagine if the US southern border was open.
Open to anyone from Mexico to just walk in no questions asked. Free to live in the US, work in the US and also claim any benefits available.
I know it's somewhat like it already 😂
But there would be no restrictions whatsoever. Every person living in Mexico would have the right to come to the US.
That's basically what free movement is.
I wonder how many Americans would vote for the equivalent of Brexit if they were in that situation?
That's how it used to be. And the men would come over during harvest times, work, then go back home to their families. When the politicians raised the bogeyman of "they're coming to take your jobs" and got right at the borders they started bringing their entire families because, who knew if they'd be able to get back to them, or get back next season.
Other than what Abbott is doing down in Texas, the borders are essentially waltz on through. With over 2.6 encounters at the border alone in 2023 and 1.6 million unaccounted for since 2021, we've already got that happening here.
@@TheEclecticBeard now imagine how many more would come if it were totally open and legal.
Even encouraged by rich companies wanting cheap labour.
You could technically have the whole of Mexico move up, and no one could do anything about it.
@@TheEclecticBeard...borders do exist for valid reasons....the mersey translation means border in old Angle/ English...as regards the EU...a byword for corruption, with no accounting signed off for years....one rule for them and vindictiveness towards us in the UK....as Churchill wrote, when choosing between Europe and the open sea...he chose the open sea...my sentiment entirely...cheers, matey...E...
@@TheEclecticBeardyou don't share borders with millions of Islamists tho mate. The most popular boys name in London now is Muhammad...
Notice that 99% are women. Complete losing the plot as always as the way they state it is not the way it truely is. It all sounds nice and great but it's not that easy or that great. Of course there are great benefits but also MASSIVE drawbacks.
You're free to TRAVEL, without border checks, within the so-called Shengen countries. However, EMMIGRATING to or STUDYING in another EU country does require a visa or residence permit. And for that, there are rules and conditions. So it's not as simple as packing your suitcase, taking a flight to another country, and then you live there.
What? No! 😄 EU citizens do NOT need visa or permits or permission to emigrate to another EU country.
Of course you need to register, receive a tax number, start paying taxes in your new country, get new insurance, bank account, etc etc. So there is paperwork involved. But NO permissions.
No, this is not true. You do not need a visa or a residence permit between Schengen countries. You can indeed just "pack your suitcase, take a flight to another country, and then you live there." You do have to follow some rules, if you want to appy for your new hosts country governmental money in one way or the other though.
You are wrong on the asylum laws.
Its not free movement you need a passport or a dingy
Within the Shengen countries you do not need a passport to cross the internal borders. Once you go outside, or come from outside the Shengen countries you do need a passport.
Only Cyprus and Ireland are not in the Schengen Zone... Bulgaria and Romania will join 31 March 2024.
It is. There aren't even any border checks between most Schengen countries. You can go back and forth, as much as you like.
@@dnocturn84 There are still (targeted) ID checks though... Gone are the days when I was allowed to simply leave my house and walk around without having to carry some ID card 😬
@@JP200 Ok, but this is entirely off-topic and has nothing to do with freedom of movement anymore. But because you brought this up: where are you from, if I may ask? My country (Germany) technically always demands citizen to carry around their ids - not just recently, but for the last 35 years or so*. But I never did and still won't do this. So I do run around without my id, most of the time. Never encountered an id check on foot either. Is this different from where you are from? Is it that strict in your country?
* I have to clarify and write this, or some clever person will call me a liar: there is some debate, if this is really what the specific law is telling us to do - police always claims that you have to, when they check your car and they will usually fine you, if you don't (when I ride my car, I will carry my id and my drivers licence with me - so no problem from my perspective), but some people got their fine dropped afterwards (including me in one nasty instance). But I guess it's due to the drivers licence technically being a type of identification anyway and this stupid law stating: "have to be able to identify" or something along those lines.
It was a good idea in theory, but in practice it was a disaster. For the richer countries anyway.
The migrant crisis being the number one reason.
When you say migrant, I suspect you're not talking about inhabitants of a Shengen country. In which case the migrant has no right of free travel (they need a passport).
@@PipBoykin when I say migrant, I mean both legal an illegal. You know the ones who ditch their passports before they arrive 😉
As I said, in theory it was a good idea, in practice not.
Meanwhile due to Brexit, British citizens lost the freedom of movement and realized too late, what they lost!
Many people from England bought houses or appartments in Spain an now they can´t stay there without moving back to the UK every x months ( maybe 9? Sorry, don´t know the real number, cause I´m not a UK citizen and I can´t afford a house in Spain 🤣).
Yeah that's right, everyone in the UK is a Millionaire, thousands of us have houses in Spain, you're talking out of your Arse
Northern Ireland is in a weird position with it.
Because we qualify for some EU benefits without needing to contribute to the system due to how dual-citizenship works here.
But that then comes with its own drawbacks with both the UK and Ireland.
So I can buy a .eu website domain but my friends in England can't.
On the flipside, there's a lot of companies that won't deliver here now because the border fees both from Ireland and England are too expensive.
@@duckarse11 he's actually not, it was pretty common in the 2000s for people to buy or rent a second home in Spain cause the market was good for it
there's a reason A Place In The Sun was so popular
@@safebox36look what's going on in the Republic at the moment.
Many don't seem very happy with freedom of movement
@@safebox36 Northern Ireland benefitted the most in the UK & Ireland sphere from EU grants because of the Troubles. I visited Belfast extensively before and after the Good Friday Agreement and saw the benefits for myself. Almost every Northern Irish person I have spoken to would rather have the peace than the money though.
This was made by a vested interest who have good salaries fighting for more immigration just as the lawyers who defended an immigrant killer and prevented him being returned is human nature to want to increase their salary. Logic should tell these people that there are MILLIONS of poor people in Africa and other countries where the poor are in great numbers who have seen a route that so far means that setting foot on the beech of the U.K. is a guarantee of accommodation and better prospects . The U.K. is a very crowded Island not having the wide open spaces of say America though we all know illegal immigration is a problem there too. Logic should tell our politicians that they have tried every method that National and International laws allow and still the people cross the channel which in itself is human nature but there must come a point when there is a resentful people who can not find accommodation in their place of birth yet illegal immigrants have that guarantee of accommodation. I can list a number of towns and cities where riots have broken out because of the influx pressure of very different cultures though the riots were short lived that can only worsen and that is logical and human it is almost as if our politicians want civil unrest for some perverse reason because they are not stupid one is looking at the dark side of politics.
This was pre-brexit, sadly they still went for it and now are complaining that it is more difficult to travel and that imports have come more expensive due to new laws and taxes.
And i get your frustration with illegal immigration, something needs to be done about that for sure, but sending busloads of undocumented immigrants all over the USA, does not help with that either, they do that as a political stunt and to have a talking point, nothing more, certainly nothing less.
And it will go on like that for a good while because certain politicians did not want to sign a massive reform deal they themselves demanded, and got handed to them, only because they rather had the talking points for political gain, rather than getting that deal they wanted (pretended i guess), only because some private citizen told them not to accept it so he could use it in his campaign.
And ofc those same people care nothing about your national security and economy either because they refuse to help nations in need, by investing money into your own industrial complex to create that what those few countries really need to turn the tide, again... to have a political talking point over the backs of people who suffer.
I'm not trying to convince anyone to change their minds, that's not up to me to do, i am however pointing out that foreign safety equals American safety, and.. lower immigration as well.
By neglecting safety abroad, you are certain to bring that to your own nation at some point, and the costs of that will be much much higher than helping prevent it from happening in the first place.
Tbh, you already have that problem, that south border issue? that's not new, it's been something a long time coming by actions of the past.
And certain politicians are trying to make those same mistakes yet again, do not fall for their scare tactics, look at the bigger picture, know your history and connect the dots, and see where current dots are leading to if you're not careful.
I do not want to make this a political debate here, so please do not try and make it that, i'm just a worried bystander who still loves the USA, and .. simply put.. i want you all to do better, for yourself, and by proxy, the rest of the (still) free world, we'll all benefit from that, national security isnt free, it comes at a price, we know that, and most Americans know that as well.
It's the unwillingness of some that puts us all at risk, us here in Europe, and .. you at home in the USA.
Make Britain great again
Tell me when it was for the average person?
Well we did have free movement until the idiots voted to leave the EU
The difference between Brexiteers and remoaners is that Brexiteers voted for what's best for their country, remoaners voted for what's best for themselves. So glad we're out of the EU.
Freedom of movement hasn't made anywhere better, truly horrible video (not your take, the base one).
And yet here we are, out of the EU because half an the country decided that one this one occasion the tories were going to stick by their word - despite many incidences prior showing they weren’t.
Make America Mexico Again...
Oh God here come the remoaners 😂😂
Moaning for a reason Brexiteers stole our freedom Sovereignty my arse!
No the xenophobic Brexiteers
My generation travelled all over and worked in Europe during the 70's & 80's before there was an EU**. When the UK was in the EU, Freedom of movement that cheap labour from eastern Europe were exploited and drove the wages of Brits. Since Brexit we have seen an improvement in the earnings of tradesmen. Typical confusion and/or obfuscation at 7:37 as Britain is stIll in Europe but we're no longer in the EU. They are two different entities. Being out of the EU has made no difference to those who wish to come to the UK, as last year the population increased by seven hundred thousand due to so called legal immigration.
** See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auf_Wiedersehen,_Pet.
Yeah, and in your parallel universe your NHS healthcare isn't collapsing, because most of the hospital workers from the EU left the UK 😬
"My generation travelled all over and worked in Europe during the 70's & 80's before there was an EU"
Yes, but this is 40/50 years ago. And the predecessor of the EU did already exist at this point in time, but the Schengen treaty only came into existence in 1985. But there were already relaxed rules for borders between the nordic nations (free movement between them since 1954) and the Benelux nations (free movement since 1960) and a little bit relaxed between all EC member nations. But again, this was a long time ago. Rules, regulations & laws changed drastically in these 40/50 years. You can not compare this with today anymore.
Are we still doing that 'it weren't like that in my day' nonsense?
@@JP200You forgot all the agricultural workers to pick the fruit & vegetables.