What's So Funny About Brexit? with Danny Dorling (2019)
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- Опубліковано 22 лип 2020
- Professor Danny Dorling argues that the vote to leave the EU was the last gasp of the old empire working its way out of the British psyche, fuelled by misplaced nostalgia and profound anxiety. Is there a bright side?
Oxford University geography professor Danny Dorling is co-author with Sally Thompson of Rule Britannia: Brexit and the End of Empire.
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I’m an American from Tennessee. And I think this is one of the best explanation of Brexit I’ve heard in a long time.
This will someday be Americans in the same position but probably not in our lifetime.
Small correction: If Germany talks about "homeless", they aren't necessarily talking about people sleeping rough, they are talking about people who don't have permanent housing. Meaning every one in a home for refugees, everyone who is in a shelter and everyone who sleeps at friends until a new home is found counts into that statistic.
Exactly, and even homeless recieve social security and have a right to a home. Ofc, paperwork can throw a wrench into that, but very few people are actually homeless for long.
Small correction: If all the countries except GB and USA talks about "homeless"......
@@peterpan4038 The number is higher than it should be, but it is not like they have zero options. And when a lot of youth hostels and similiar opened their doors to the rough sleepers during the high of the corona crisis, it wasn't as if they were overrun.
The same applies to "unemployed".
In other countries, "unemployed" = "without a permanent source of income".
In the UK, "unemployed" = "not receiving the Job Seeker's Allowance".
Where the Job Centre strikes you off for such transgressions as being 5 minutes late for an interview.
@K L are you talking about the 1700s one or the 1800s? Please be more specific.
When he was talking about people are literally dying. I just though “come on. Don’t blame COVID deaths on Brexit just because the same people are in charge of it”. Then I realized that talk is from 2019. 🤔
The UK is back to being the sick man of Europe; Thanks to muppets it's not the EU's problem anymore, can you hear the laughing from the continent ?
We're all stocked up on pop-corn and ready to laugh at the show as the Brits continue to make a spectacle of themselves.
This is actually fascinating as the US, UK and China are actively working hard at destroying nearly 4 decades of progress on so many levels, all at about the same time, and quickly returning to the depressing shitholes they were in the late 70's (then again, which country wasn't one at the time ?).
We will not be re-joining, thanks tho. We want to run our own country, don't people get that !! anyway the e.u will soon be gone. And the euro is bad for all your country's, except Germany. Carn't wait till the next country wants out, my popcorn is on ice.
@@fluvirus You're spot on about the Euro currency and is one major issue that seems to have be largely ignored by the leave campaigners.. However the big problem is we don't have a well thought out, staged plan for leaving that would reduce the "costs" of leaving. Therefore it will not be the success it could have been and we will eventually rejoin in some form. Maybe like Norway.
@Bear hn Well it might cheer them up when they see us wanting to rejoin or more probably partially rejoin.
@Bear hn Yes and a lot of compromising.
Eye opening to me as a German living in the US. I guess Britain never made the mental adjustments from the days of the empire. Germany had to make a dramatic adjustment without any reservations after two lost wars and is existing in a better mental state than ever before. Germany realizes that it is not better than many other countries and that it is European and doesn't have the geographical excuse to think of itself as something else. When I lived in the UK I met many people who referred to the UK as a continent, "Europe, England and America" they would say. Hopefully all of this is not taking as long as Dorling fears and the United Kingdom is coming to its senses, or maybe, we are all sliding back into some kind of madness. I am living the the US after all, where you could get that impression.
Thats true, And I'm saying this a Polish Citizen. There were always wars between Poland and Germany and now our relations are probabbly the best in our histories. Its becase of the Union.
I don't want to pour scorn on this, as it is not negative as an outlook. But the EU trade area functions as a German trade empire. Essentially exposing local manufacturers to lethal German competition, while forcing up their wages with a common currency, which simultaneously makes them better able to afford German products and less well able to compete with German manufacturers. Regardless of how it arrived there, and to say nothing against Germans, who are as conscientious as anywhere else I've lived, the country (particularly industrialists) do run the EU to their own advantage, not the common advantage of europe. Germany runs a protectionist racket from Brussels, with more lobbying from German companies than from any other country by far.
Also, I think Germans are actually the most nationalist country in Europe, not in terms of being far right (although that is very much there) but the extent to which they pride themselves on being German. They also have a casual assumption of superiority when it comes to German products and a tendency to buy German. I think the character of Germans is largely the same as it always was, just the political narrative has changed. Die Prussiche volke ist immer Noch da. Das Management hat sich geandert.
Everybody keeps going on about the Empire - except the British... we moved on decades ago - we are as pragmatic today as we have always been and we can see a failing institution from a mile away - the EU is yesterday's solution for yesterday's problem... and if Germany doesn't get out soon - it will pay the price.
@@frze5645 Leaving the EU was nothing but pragmatic!!. If you want to distort reality, it is your choice but, it is just wishful thinking. Without a dog hair of pragmatism... The modern UK is not pragmatic it is Torry... and Torries is all about the Empire and Nationalism. This nation was manipulated By Cambridge Analytica and Dominic C, and some Russian Money.
And "German Problem" that you are pointing, shows that you don't have a clue how EU actually works (it is typical for uninformed right-wing lads, ignorance is bliss?) . And "German this, German that" is very English too. And trust me the EU is stronger than ever.
Expect a weak economy in the UK and If you were thinking that London will pay the price for Brexit, you will be surprised but not. South and North will pay double. So ppl that actually voted leave. Poorer will be poorer as always.
@@frze5645 When you say the British never "keep going on about the Empire" - that is a direct lie.
I'm not an academic , just a council house boy, Thoroughly enjoyed this. I've had countless holidays in Europe and enjoyed their company. So sad to become an outsider. Many musician friends cannot now come to the the UK due to expensive visa requirements. I am disgusted by the British "Empire" of the past exploiting people of other nations to "our" gain. OK the EU is far from perfect but at least it allowed us to get to know each other a bit and avoid the wars endured in the past.
I don't want to upset you, but those lovely countries you visited in Europe all had empires too.
@@Iazzaboyce
I don't remember the Czech , Slovak, Estonian, Finn, Latvian, Irish, Romanian, Bulgarian, Luxembourger or Maltese empires. Poland-Lithuanian and Austro-Hungarian were internal European politics. Greek was old but impressive.Sweden had contacts which poduced Russia. Do you remember the Danish Empire? (England was part of it...twice).
So you're wrong.
@@jimmyquigley7561 Six present EU countries had colonies in Africa.
I have the same background as you and think you are confusing things. Leaving a supranational globalist power structure, pushed mostly by Germans after WW2, does not mean that we h** the French, Spanish, Germans, ... . It simply means we have our culture and they have theirs. We can still visit them and vice versa as we could for thousands of years pre Common Market. To be Airstrip One, with Beethoven's Ode to Joy or Alle Menschen Werden Brüder or All Men Will Become Brothers playing in the background sounds like a fool's paradise to me, and one that has turned into a nightmare of European carpetbaggers moving to Britain. Yes, Britain and Sweden etc have become the soft touch and the mug. I consider England to have a truly great culture and traditions and we should keep them. I don't appreciate foreigners coming over here and h**ting us Brits, while at the same time taking dole, free health treatment, education, ... To me, that is real h**d, stealing from a foreign country and using an Empire gone 60 years ago as a revenge excuse.
Of course, if any European including yourself is enamoured by your new patrie you are free to move there and become a citizen. If not I think you want your cake and eat it too. "Greed is good!" as the touchy feely opportunist would say, sotto voce of course.
Hello, Spain here. A person with your kind attitude will never be an outsider. You will always be a part 👍👍👍
Pretty impressive and very kind last words. I as a German have totally no desire to live in some number one country. To me Europe means a lot more. Share the world with fellow human beings.
It's nice to hear a German say he wants to "share the world with fellow human beings" .. It does seem better than the alternative.
@@Iazzaboyce the world as a construct each and every one of us is carrying around in our minds. Sharing the different views to obtain growth, knowledge and understanding for all participants. (sorry, no native speaker)
re 'Sharing the world with fellow human beings??? Are you crazy or just a romantic. Not all human beings share the same values... in fact they are so varied you would have to be docile not to understand just how impractical your suggestion is. Young African men do not have the same attitude towards women as most European males do - it is just the way they are. Muslim men ditto have a very different attitude about females... these are known truths which romantic people like you try to brush to one side... The German people were very naive to allow one million Muslims into Germany - they are not so happy now.
When these very obvious points of difference are noted - the idiots start screaming racists - because they do not have the intellect ability to understand that different nations have different values and this being the case - people should stay where they are best suited. Brits and germans could live in each other's countries without any upsets because the share values... not so many Africans - they are culturally less sophisticated - fact.
@@frze5645 why should I care for other peoples values if I have mine?
Thomas J - you will care when their values are imposed on you - because their rights are prioritised ahead of your rights - that is the reason why cultures should be kept separate - oil and water. That is my point - you values are being eroded on the back of multiculturism.
Brilliant, prediction of the future. Totally agree with him after living in Portugal since 2018. Well done Boris, Jacob and Nigel you sold our country out for cash in your pocket.
This was the university internet should be. Great lecture and lecturer. Thanks!
Completely agree.
Really?
This is propaganda, the fact you cant see that is a bit disturbing.
This is the hangover we get from empire. We are about to get what we deserve. My parents are working class Brexit voters. They have always been Sun readers and racists and that is why they voted for this idiocy
Wow... you are the leaving breathing epitome of disloyalty. There's a reason many non-Westerners are disgusted by how British people treat their parents and elderly and you're the perfect example
"We gonna grow up" , "it's a learning process" good words
Optimism
Yes, right.
But the point is that you have to start from the beginning ...
Smug virtual signalling from the middle-class elite
@@theoilandgasresourceportal2132 ???
"Heading towards United States levels of . . . . ." . . . . .its kind of shocking to realise that these days, thats a bad thing. . . . . . . . .
It's not really that shocking if you've been paying attention the last 20 years. If you time travelled here from the 70s, yes, shocking. If you lived through the last 20-25 years, not so much.
I suppose another way of putting it would be that it's shocking how un-shocking it is
And still many people do not realize this. They would claim here: "But US ecomnomy is still nber 1"! "Most billionaires are American!" and so on. Just forgetting that the success is not the nber of billionaires, is how well lives the "median" person (not the "average" person which is not meaningful), and the less well-off.
I read and watched a lot the past months about the US. It's unbelievable how corrupt and broken everything in the US is. I have no connections to Britain, but i fear for the people living there when the british government gets even closer ties with the US. Not that mainland europe has a different route, but i think the progress will be faster and the poverty will hit the british faster then us. Because what we see now is just the tip of the iceberg.
@@gerhardadler3418 I think we have great potential to be a successful country, but we badly need to change political direction very very soon.
(And we need to cooperate properly with our neighbours)
If you really want to know how dysfunctional the British state is, spend an hour talking to an accountant who has to audit a public service provider or a local government department.
Jesus Christ.
It's not looking good in there.
Over a decade of Conservative government has left almost every single part of Britain's public infrastructure on the brink of collapse.
And that was BEFORE the pandemic!
Video posted 2020-07-23 , talks about October 2019 as it was the future at 29:47 .
Why not write when this speech was held in the video-information? When did he say all this? When??
A. Vecstric 3:30 August 25th 2019 it says on his slide...
My 70 year old friend literally said she voted for Brexit because things were better in the past when we had less money, she thought Brexit might solve our affluence problem, she might be right...
The increasing number of babies dying early aren't from affluent families, and Brexit will only increase their numbers. Your friend is cruel and judgmental.
Voting to be poor? What?
The reason for things being better in the past was Empire, but the fact is Empire was the Plunder of other countries
People at that age should not have a right to vote
The old always vote. Brexit is a good argument to make voting mandatory
The truest, most accurate and humble analysis of the situation.
My respect and applause goes to you Professor Dorling.
Best wishes for the future and good luck!
He missed one thing, though. The main reason the academics did not predict Brexit was that they assumed people would act like themselves: *rationally.*
@Bear hn Ah, OK. Someone more educated than you who can see beyond the tip of their nose "lives in a metropolitan bubble". Got ya.
Has it _ever_ occurred to you that it might be _YOU_ who lives in a bubble?
@Bear hn You silly fool. YOU did not win. Those who manipulated you to vote the way you did won.
And guess what? Yes, they won over me. But they won over you EVEN MORE!
@Bear hn Eh?
Meanwhile, try to consider the question I posed to you. Some introspection is ALWAYS useful. (Yes, I follow my own advice. All the time.)
Olmost Gudinaf he also was in a leftist bubble
Humbling and very good explained context and a better understanding why...Brexit happened. It's hard to understand from the outside. Thank you for sharing it.
The good things which will come from Brexit are Scottish independence and Irish reunification, in both cases followed by Scotland and NI rejoining the EU.
du you realy think London will let their UK fall apart ? I highly doubt that
@@asator2746 you should keep up with the news, B. Johnson is atm trying to mess about with the Supreme court in England and Scotland - that would break the act of union, and automatically separate Scotland and England into 2 separate countries.
@Smokeango IM IRISH AND I 100% AGREE. HE UK CAN PROSPER AFTER BREXIT, AND IT PROBABLY WILL - EU WILL CONTINUE TO DECLINE ECONOMICALLY, DEMOGRAPHICALLY, POLITICALLY AND CULTURALLY.
Not gonna happen
@@yoyo-lf3ld Will happen and should
Best analysis I've ever heard. Thank you Prof. Dorling!
Murdoch insisted to Cameron before he was Tory leader, that his papers would support Cameron's bid for leadership only if he gave a cast iron promise to take the Tory party out of the mainstream EU Centre right block, the EPP with Merkel etc. Murdoch knew that this would kick UK and EU politics to the right and assist in getting the UK out of the European mainstream and EU
Murdoch has a lot to answer for. I just could never out what his incentive is.
@@shaunbell499 He'd waffle something about good people who work hard doing well. He means extreme privilege with low taxes and low regulation and brain washing and distraction of the ordinary people
@@shaunbell499 there is a quote about Murdoch and the EU. When Murdoch goes to the EU they think so what? But in Britain we just jump to attention when hes there. Its about control and exerting more control
A very insightful and - at the same time - entertaining speech. Should be obligatory in every school!
sounds like enforcing political beliefs onto children? Oh wait! I remember, communists have no issue with indoctrination
One day in the future, historians will point to Brexit as the moment Britain went into decline, for all the reasons stated in this presentation. The sad irony is that all those flag wavers who wanted Britain to be great again, voted for the very things which will contribute to its break up and decline. All down to the rivalry between two Eton boys!
No - they'll point to the introduction of comprehensive education and the forced expansion of the university system to take anyone and everyone, including all those who weren't suited to it and dropped out part way through. The socialists won by corrupting the education system, which is evident by this geographer spouting made-up stuff about history.
That's the argument you lost in 2016.
@@nevilleenglish what was the made up stuff?
I thought that moment was when the US told the UK to let go of Suez?
you are misinformed - or you are a little ideologue unable to think - the EU is a bloc in crisis, and things cannot but get worse...
I have been thinking about this subject for a long time and you explain it so well. By the way I live in Germany and is quite apparent that the Germans had to quickly go through the humbling experience after 1945. eventually this leads to the EU and integration rather than going off in an aircraft carrier trying to be best buddies with the US of A.
Dear Patrick, I'm German who loves the UK. But what do most of us love of Britain? From my point of view: Music, theatre, art, film and above all: literature.
Main issue is, however, trade and economy, one has to differentiate, Britain's strengths are services and investments, the contribution to world trade is merely 8% - absolutely overestimated: the fishing industry: 1.5 % contribution to the GNP.
60% exported to the EU, mainly to France.
The Marshall Plan fixed Europe after ww2... How's that for being best buddies with that pesky us of a?
It was also those pesky us of a who kept the soviets on their toes and helped Germany regain its footing. I don't know what your beef is but I hope it's not more of the German supremacy starting to want to shine again over Europe... Oh wait... Who is on the helm of the EU? Long dead Mustachioed men would be proud of how things are moving forward. The stronger the governmental apparatus, the stronger the grip of the authoritarians. Just keep an eye on that pesky freedom of speech, it always gets in the gears of the machiavellians in their rows for power
What an enjoyable 33.59 minutes
What, you mean when it ended?
I found it rather amusing ;-)
Good to know that it were indeed the old people who squandered the future of the young, as the protesters already said in 2016.
Obviously, I don't live in the UK, otherwise I would be squirming in my seat.
@@TheEvertw Why obviously you don't live in the UK? a Rather silly thing to say. Talking of silly and lazy things you said, there were plenty of young people who voted to Leave the EU. perhaps older people didn't want future generations to be part of a corrupt, undemocratic, unaccountable, protectionist, Mafioso organisation run by a bunch of self serving free loading parasites.
@@jasonkingshott2971 You have a short memory. After the referendum there were protests against Brexit, and there were plenty of young people who made the complaint I repeated here. While there certainly were young people who voted Leave, the majority voted Remain.
Your comment was not very civilised. It is so sad when people feel the need to revert to insults when they can't argue the facts.
@@TheEvertw Don't remember saying "there were no protests" There were plenty of young people who voted for and against but, in the UK we have a thing called Democracy in form of a referendum which instructs the incumbent UK government to act on the results. They should try it in the EU, perhaps not it will never catch on.
"Your comment was not very civilised. It is so sad when people feel the need to revert to insults when they can't argue the facts" - On the contrary, it is very civilised. I stand by what I said they, you or whoever can argue, I am always here.
Perhaps it is just a clash of cultures!
What a perfect compact yet complete item. Great work
A refreshingly reasonable and relevant discussion on this subject, really well developed. Bravo.
Wow, as a European I hope more people in the uk are like this, and one day we will be reunited as brothers.
yes, this time paying your way right ?
@@tobytroubs yawn. Most Europeans have more money than Brits.
Do you think Britain has moved to Asia?
This is like a lazer beam cutting through all the madness.
Yawn, yawn!!
jason kingshott so well argumented.
@@remcovanek2 Well there's nothing more to be said!
@Bear hn What did you personally gain, or will gain from Brexit. Caveat, no sovereignty, freedom or taking back control to be mentioned.
@Bear hn You didn't,t answer my question.
Great talk. I am French and I share the view that England (I don’t think that’s true for Scotland, NI and potentially Wales) has not yet turned the page of the Empire.
I am old enough to remember the Suez crisis in 1956, when both France and the UK were told bluntly by the USA and the USSR, the then two superpowers, that we were not playing anymore in the big league.
France acknowledged and want on with Germany and four other European countries to sign the Rome treaty and start what is now the EU. The UK declined because it thought it was still a tier 1 country. The following is very well explained in the presentation.
The trouble with the French and despite The Entente Cordiale is, they have never got over Agincourt and it was British and not the French who went on to created the greatest empire the world has ever seen.
Lets not forget the treacherous Scots forming the Auld Alliance with France against England.
@jason kingshott
What’s your point?
It’s not France’s future that is at stake today, it’s England.
In tried to give an honest analysis of why England is in a mess today because it believes it it still an Empire. Now, you don’t want to know what the rest of the world,, be it the Frenchs, the Indians, the Chinese or the Americans think about you and your infamous Empire, you would be terrified.
You believe you have friends, think twice.
Very proud to be part of the Auld Alliance with Scotland. We’ll help them when needed.
@@phoebus45 It seems that you have a very strange view of the Untied Kingdom. I wonder if it comes from listening to too much EU/ French Propaganda.
Don't worry about who's future it is, The United Kingdom has a perfectly good Democratic system of voting be it elections or referendums . You should worry about instigated by France's German masters.
For your information the majority of the UK public have no idea the extent of the British Empire and is not taught at school. Some kids don't even know who Winston Churchill was.
I guess it is a clash of cultures with all the abuse the UK gets from EU countries over leaving this organisation. If France or any other country decided to leave, the UK's response would be something like "sorry to see you go, good luck for the future.
Try again!
@@phoebus45 Some of the text was missing.
The British Empire had a massive decline at the beginning of the 20th century, with the growing power of the USA, Russia and Germany's growing industries. "your infamous Empire", Your flaw here is that I and the rest of the UK are accidents at birth and are not responsible for forefathers, a very backward thing to say.
"you don’t want to know what the rest of the world" yet another misguided view. Brexit was never about pulling up the draw bridge while sticking one finger up at the world. On the contrary, it is about embracing the world once again with trade and culture and not being dictated to by a bunch of EU clowns.
As for friends, I have travelled extensively around the world and lived and worked in Japan and Asia for nearly 10 years and there is no evidence to support your claim. Oh, I'm sure you have heard about the concluding UK - Japan trade deal the worlds 2-3 richest economy. Perhaps it wasn't allowed to reach EU media. By the way Indochina doesn't have a lot of positive things to say about France
Just remind us all of the European ex colonial powers name for their The Commonwealth of Nations?
There are more holes in your views than a watering can.
@jason kingshott
My sources are all British and the dream of the Empire is not mine.
As for the abuse, the tabloids have been insulting the EU in general, France and Germany in particular, for the past 45 years.
The UK is a medieval feudal kingdom with the worst inequalities in Europe and is doomed to disintegrate. And believe me, with comments such as yours, nobody in the EU27 will shed a tear.
Nearly 15 minutes in and it shows the danger of NOT voting
Really glad to find someone who can articulate my feelings about the Uk's position in the world. Small correction - Scotland did welcome a number of Syrians, some of whom live locally to me and are useful and accommodating members of our communities who have a great deal of get up and go and entrepreneurial spirit. If only Westminster would release Scotland from it's death grip, we could be the little country we know we could be - not world-beating, not dominant, not superior, just happy!
Scottish people are so wonderful. Just wsit until you are a minority in your own towns and cities
@@mattw4004 Yes, the Scots are wonderful, on the whole. The thing is, if you move here, you can be regarded as Scots, so there is little concept of being outnumbered by anyone. That also could be construed as being a bit Ukip.
Get out of your twee monoculture and spend a week in Bradford. That is the future of Scotland when your SNP buddies take over. Also, Just because you met a syrian once, doesn't make you special.
Prof Dorling is a Jeremy Corbyn fanatic (check him out, he always will be), so it's obvious that all likeminded people gravitate to someone that's feeding the same 'all inclusive socialist malarkey' and everyone else is just a plain old zealot /bigot .. it's comical that folk don't understand what lectures like this are all about
@@RevRSleeker I suppose you look at things from a slightly different perspective. I am definitely not a fan of Corbyn. However, given the choice between Corbyn's ideas and dreams, and those of Boris Johnson, I do think Corbyn's would be more acceptable.
Wow. I sure wish that my professors had the same delivery and passion.
I stumbled across this and I am so glad I watched it. Absolutely brilliant. Should be required viewing for all in UK.
.....and what would that achieve?
@@jasonkingshott2971
Maybe there might be slightly less ignorant uneducated idiots 🙄
@@markmoran916 You can include naive with the "ignorant, uneducated idiots".. thank god for the democratic majority of the UK seeing through the EU dictatorship.
@@jasonkingshott2971Wisdom?
It will be a painful process for Britain to let go and reinvent itself.
History forced France and Germany to go through that transformation earlier.
It's a bit like hitting puberty but afterwards you can hang around with the grownups which is cool.
I always think that it is interesting that most members of the EU have been major World powers and are now happy aging red stars. What a pity that England (I say this advisedly) has not yet come to terms with its new place in the World.
Amazing presentation, thank you !
This is the best thing I've ever seen on Brexit mate. Thank you for your truthful and thoughtful presentation. Subscribed.
This is the first sensible thing I’ve seen on Brexit. Thank you. There is much history we were not taught at school. I now plan to make up for that.
I just intend to move to somewhere like Germany, having already had to pay off £36k in loans to go to uni, then the prospects of getting a house are near zero and the final straw, this stupid hard brexit we are going for. Screw that, I'm out. I want to be in a country where, yes maybe taxes are higher, but my future kids can have a home and go to uni and have all the opportunities being part of the EU block brings.
This is what I think, high taxes are fine, if they are used for what taxes are meant to be used for. Not thrown at random private companies that provide no benefits.
Protectionism?
ismaeel747 ....and you're hoping you won't have to pay back your student loans...
Ok guys go ahead and move.
You may solve the Brexit problem and may be able to afford a house.
But every country has it's problems..
You'll just have different ones.
"I just intend to move to somewhere like Germany!
This seems rather a strange thing to say, The referendum was 4 years ago and you "just intend to move to somewhere like Germany"....really?
This is just reinforcing my views on Scottish Independence. It was seeing how far England has lurched to the extreme right and Brexit, of course, that motivated me. I'm ready to split the union now.
And in 10 years time the EU is more right-wing that the UK - what will you do then?
greece.greekreporter.com/2016/01/21/harsh-living-conditions-for-many-greeks-in-poor-neighborhoods-across-the-country/
@@Iazzaboyce Haha... I hear this all the time, in 10 years time the EU will be "insert doom scenario here". The 10 year time scale however, never seems to get any smaller though.
Youre an idiot that lives in a monoculture. You have no understanding of how the world works. Vote independence and you will be a minority within two generations
How is sovereignty extreme right - and if it is then patently the Scotts are more extreme right than anybody else...
Before you jump into the frying pan... better do your homework. Firstly - the Scots will have to pay the debt they owe (£20,000 per head I believe) and secondly you are going to need a new currency - you can't use the English pound... and with nothing to back a Scottish currency... other than Haggis - it looks like it will be a hands and knees job to the Germans - that is of course Scottish logic for you... the same logic that caused the disaster of the Darien expedition in 1698 - which led to the Scottish bail out by the English then... you need to control your unjustified resentment - it will backfire very badly.
@@Iazzaboyce If the EU really should become right wing it will cease to exist. Right wing nationalist policy is incompatible with the idea of a united Europe!
In germany we had a comedy-drama TV show for two years about a billionaire family who suddenly find themselves poor. It was called _Arme Millionäre_ ("Poor millionaires") and each episode had a specific topic - some more lighthearted (like the struggle to take out your own trash and remember collection days), others a little bit more heavy (like being threatened with eviction from their already too-small living space because they can't pay the rent). The common comedic theme is the inability of the family to adapt to a low-/middle-class lifestyle.
These days, the father in that show seems like a great personification of the UK :)
Comedy is hardly synonymous with Germany.
@@jasonkingshott2971 wrong, you mix up comedy and humor. We have comedy, but no humor. I hope my answer was effective.
@@mucsalto8377 Now, was that German comedy or humour?
Ulster voted 56% to remain and Scotland voted 62% to remain.
They should remain.
This man got the facts! Respect Sir..
Facts? Some facts but mostly ideology I'd say. He's a Corbynista.. a man who was massively rejected by the UK electorate.
This should be required viewing. Well done.
I wonder if many Brexiters fully understand just how much they have weakened Britain's global influence and reputation.
People will be musing over this utterly self-inflicted blunder for years to come.
Brexitards don’t understand full stop hence why they voted to kick themselves up the arse 🙄
This has now been disproved. UK has global influence supporting Ukraine,. Wonderful roll-out of covid vaccines. Etc
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As an irishman this was very refreshing and that is not to bash my english cousins as their history has many many good parts too. The greatest sport ever invented football. Telescopes , steam engines , modern day economics , vacines , railways , concrete , many scientific discoveries , bicycle , solar panels , tractors , tv , jet engine , cats eyes road markings , first emergency telephone service , first computer , dna findings , carbon fibre , electronic calculators , atms , laptops , raspberry pi even lava lamps lol. The list is endless in all forms of life.
But my favourite by far is the music artists and bands they have produced since the start of the sixties up till today. So many it would take many comments to name just a few.
As an Irish woman I find your brown-nosing embarrassing.
Thanks prof dorling,enjoyable, succinct and insightful 🤗
Imagine you got the opportunity to get discounted tickets for a concert in the first row from your buddies but refused to pay full price and sit far back ... far back ... very far back
Imagine you dont want open borders, unsustainable population growth and social dislocation. And you also disagree with the difference between rich and poor getting ever larger
@@mattw4004 None of which has much to do with the EU. To the contrary, EU membership gives you more means and leverage to be sovereign in a meaningful sense. Strangely, for example, you seem to have a Polish plumber problem in the UK. We in Germany don't, and we live right next to them. How, do you think, is that possible?
@@mattw4004
That's all Westminster though, not Brussels.
@@L2K4D44L4R language is harder ;-)
What an awesome talk. Thanks heaps ☺️
i love that it ended on a note on sharing and looking out for each other.
This is really my favourite Channel!
Thanks for your nice Videos,
it is very enlightening,
Waiting for your latest update.
Douglas Greenbelt
Brexit to me is the final end to the sadly outmoded "British Empire", which began with the independence and partition of India and provided the lynch pin for the rest of the colonies to press for their own Independence. Successive British governments over the next 30 years were happy to comply. The "Commonwealth" is a poor subsitute where The U.K. has only one voice/vote. Now The U.K. has sadly lost favourable access to a combined, market of 550 Million and any new external Trade deals will not be able to match.. Even the U.S. has only a market of 330 Million. I fear that realistically
the British economy will decline substantially within say 5 years and under the reign of the second Elizabeth, Britain will finally no longer be a "World Power"..!
The USA was the first colonial nation to revolt against the Great Empire (UK).
The USA doesn’t have as many people as the EU but we spend way more money and have way more land.
Peter L Baldwin, I'm reading your comment a year after you wrote it and I find it quite astonishing. It appears that you never heard of the Boston Tea Party and events subsequent to that. And, where do think the Indian independence movement drew it's inspiration from? My country, Ireland was England's first colony. In 1801 it was forcibly annexed by England to form the United Kingdom. We weren't even a colony then for God's sake. We won partial freedom in 1922 and still a hundred years later part of our nation is held to be part of the UK. The Northern Ireland troubles began because Westminster allowed the devolved unionist administration there to turn NI into a political and social cesspit. Wakey, wakey.
Boris didn’t expect to win and it was the same with trump. The two Siamese twins. 🤯
Delusional
After reading a lot of Brexiteer blogs and tweets, this was a warm shower. Because it is a proof that there are British citizens who are realistic. Thanks!!!!
Enjoy your open borders and globalist agendas
they are numbered.... just a few of them!
I have said it before and I say it again, Scotland, our long lost friend, welcome back, dump your arranged marriage with England and start an affair with us in Scandinavia.
Us Welsh might want to get in on that, sounds fun
Not only Scandinavia, also the rest of Europe.
I want that because I'd entitled to a Scottish passport and could become an EU citizen again. Thankfully my kids can get Irish passports
@@jukeseyable If wales decided to become independent tomorrow, where will it be the day after tomorrow?
@@jasonkingshott2971 same place, across the Irish sea from Ireland, south of Scotland, and still attached to England. But that can be sorted by putting all of our ex miners that Thatcher threw on the scrap heap to work severing us from England. The question that you might want to ask is where will England get its drinking water from after Wales becomes independent
It’s interesting he doesn’t mention the strong influence Murdoch media has with those less well off, older conservatives who were leave voters.
Fascinating. Glad to see some attention to the very long tail effects of colonialism.
Well worth a watch and listen.
I liked watching Beavis and Butt-head.
@@jasonkingshott2971 it suits you.
Thank you Professor Dorling. I was always a remainer, an anti-Brexiteer, by simple conviction. I found your analysis intriguing. If I have it right the invasion/colonisation of Ireland by England was the start of Empire. It was started in Norman England in 1171, English colonisation of Ireland went through three main phases, the last phase which ran from 1801 which was peak Empire. The Big Bang in 1986 was the last card the Empire had to play which was proven 32 years later by how the 2008 crash sank us and affected the whole world. The idea of the end of Empire, and the end of the UK as we once knew it, being proven by how much Boris had to beat Dave, one single rivalry within a singularly influential school, seems odd. But more absurd national histories do exist. Dave had half a plan to remain and lost, Boris had no plan, did not expect to win, and won. What I want to know is if the 31st December is not the end of UK membership within the EU, or of UK engagement with the EU, what are the other choices? What new plan will be cobbled together- seemingly out of nothing?
@Bear hn Ireland has the entire EU with it, if Ireland objects to anything in Brexit negotiations, the EU has their back.
@Bear hn What massive protests in Ireland?? LMAO stop reading tabloid propaganda.
Greece austerity was so they could get loans, that is help from Europe, not just because.
very good analysis by following the money. powerful finish, as a true european who also lived in the UK and many other countries I wish that the UK will become true Europeans too. I wish I would meet you in an English pub one day for a pint and a good conversation. All the best
I'm a Dutchman. What does it mean to be a true European? Is this an identity?
Indeed a very clever and realistic man. Nothing to listen to for the average Brexiteer. In Europe the Brexit phase is over, side line news. Just enough attention for a normal European country. Let that be the first step in the good direction because....as a matter a fact, we like you. We shall miss you.
sadly we will miss you more than you will miss us, once the chaos sets in.
Jimmy Jams ...we might have left the EU but we haven’t left the European continent, YOU ARE STILL EUROPEAN!!!! Use your brain for gods sake
This video should be viral in UK to understand the reality. It's not Empire 2.0 but Empire 0.0 that is ahead.
No it's Romano-Britain 2.0
@@theother1281 yeah, no Scotland
This lecture has matured well!
Got to fix up that education problem, the rest will follow. End private schooling, improve all schooling.
India was a civilized country already when the British arrived, in fact, India had 29% of the global GDP. When the British left, it was only 2%. They did not make us civilized.
If you think I think India had a bad time which was horrible, then take a look at Irish history, 800 years of HELL
@@jamespower2984 To be fair I don't think we had it worse than them. We just had it for longer
@@stevekildare4053 I would like you to research, 👍Cromwell in Ireland, The penal Laws in Ireland, The truth about the Irish famine, The black and Tans in Ireland, after that make up your own mind, Best wishes with that study 👍Remember that Irelands population went from almost 9 million to 4 million in a short amount of time,2 million starved to death, while tons of grain, beef, dairy products etc were shipped to England at height of Empire, Coffin Ships brought some people to Canada, USA, Later people were sent to Australia for different reasons, as I asked if you do proper research you can make your own decision.
@@stevekildare4053 A prolonged punishment is obviously a worse punishment. Although I don't think it's wise to make comparisons in the context of tyranny.
@ debasishraychawdhuri. Yes, Gandhi got it right when he was asked what he thought of western civilization. He replied "I think it would be a good idea".
Fantastic and accurate information well done 👍👏
I have listened to a couple of this man's talks and he is very insightful.
”becoming a normal European country is actually something to be”. This is it 👍
Pardon?
If that is good with you I think it is lovely. Then the EU is for you.
The Brexit gang has always believed that Britain leaving the EU would hurt them more than it would hurt Britain. How they explain that has never been clear, but in broad terms, the EU is a community of 27 countries and more than 500 million people and will be far better placed under any circumstances to weather the storm than the UK is with 62 million. At the same time, the EU will still have all its trade agreements in place with just about any country on the globe, while the UK has, well, practically nothing at this point. Australia is one that does have an agreement with the UK, and it has said, fine, we'll trade, but that doesn't mean they're in any mood to give up their far greater connections with the EU, or that it would even be prepared to deal with British businesses on the same terms as it enjoys with an EU market almost 10 times the size of the UK's. In other future trade negotiations, the UK will always be the "needy" one because it is desperate to somehow replace the trade volume it has lost by leaving the EU, and any new trading partner will be well aware of that! All in all, the EU is NOT going to miss the UK anywhere near as much as the UK will miss the EU. Brexit enthusiasts have always believed the world would be stampeding their doors for trade agreements with the UK, but the simple fact is that in any and ALL of these new separate agreements (none are even under consideration as yet and they will take a long time, if not years, to negotiate) , the UK will never be able to match the negotiating strength that comes with representing the world's largest trading bloc. In other words, if Britain wants to buy bananas for the British market, those bananas will inevitably cost more than the same bananas will cost consumers in the EU. You can multiply that effect across EVERY branch of British commerce, including agriculture, manufacturing, etc, and you get the picture.
How wrong you are the UK has already got 20 trade agreements in place with 20 countries and 18 pending. Why because we are small a small flexible democracy with a strong governnent. A democracy that twice went to war in a single generation to maintain democracy in Europe. Europe needs the English speaking people.
@@MrDavidht The Irish and the Dutch speak perfect English, the banks are already being distributed between Dublin and Amsterdam. We got this.
Good luck with that 'strong' government.
@@Exile1a the Dutch were neutral in WW1 and surrendered after one bombing raid in WW2, the Irish were sympathetic to the Nazis. Good luck as vassal states of Germany.
@@MrDavidht You are practically a Two-party-state. Not something I would call a flexible democracy. First past the post is an outdated practice in my view.
@@MrDavidht "While it was an EU member, the UK was automatically part of around 40 trade deals which the EU had struck with more than 70 countries.
So far, 19 of these existing deals, covering 50 countries or territories, have been rolled over. This represents just over 8% of total UK trade"
wow...
awesome lecture!!!
When it comes to the text books which Johnson used at school, does anyone know which book Sally Tomlinson read?
This video deserves so much more viewers.
Sadly the people who most need to see it won't.
Brought here by a certain gentleman. Can't think who.
Many comments seem to help.
Hi guys, popped up in my recomended list. Interesting video.
Magister Sibrandus 😁
Very nice conference, I would love to hear what Mr Dorling has to say about what happened since (as it is was made obviously before Boris came into power) and after the whole Covid-19 crisis
Dear Maxime, I'm German, Brexit is a British issue, however, just Covid is a proof that Brexit doesn't work. All these talks which I have heard and read now for at least 5 years: "We are great, our economy is very robust, we will be the land of milk and honey - Ireland will come back to the UK after realizing how magnificent Northern Ireland will develop (MP Cash) - And now? Worse in the recovery than other states - what kind of Brexit is this (I call it a beau temps Bexit) ? It's like ordinary life, in a crisis it will be proven if a system works. 40,000 new nurses, 20,000 new policemen/women, a boost for the fishing industry: Thousands of new work places, is there progress? A Prime minister who shakes hands with Corona patients, getting infected, saved by a Portugese (free movement!) and New Zealand nurse. Then telling (positive) the people to stay at home. Working at home has been shown as a positive alternative but then admonishing the employées to work in the office again: Good for the eonomy. Dominic Cummings ignoring the rules, the Mail: Dominic did what every good father would have done.
Better: When asked why some countries are doing economically better now, the Chancellor said: "We have a different composition of economy than other states, our economy depends much on social consumption." Last week he said: "I'm honest to the people, we cannot help everyone". Remarkable. I've also realized that the Tory members, when they want us to help them (Russia, Honkong) avoid the abbreviation EU , they prefer calling us "Intenational Partners".
@@godehardbrysch7905 I think you may have misunderstood my legitimate request for an update from the speaker of that conference's point of view for something else. I am French, living in the UK and I am very well aware of how bad it will get, possibly leading to the break up of the UK itself (which honestly wouldn't be a bad thing if Ireland finally was handed back to the Irish people).
@@maxxie84 Cher Maxime, désolé, tu as raison, je pensais que tu étais allemand. La France est und grand pays et ma ville préfére est Albi. Chaque année je suis en France pour voir le Tour de France, cette année c'était trop compliqué. Mon fils vit á Aix-la-Chapelle, une raison suffisante d'apprendre le francais, chose claire, la Belgique, pas loin, et un grand pays aussi et à l'ALDI de Breising (allemand) les instructions sont aussi données en francais (Kasse 2 wird geöffnet). Construisons une Europe paifique sans les Brexiteers. Godehard.
You cannot overstate the significance of Ireland offering food/essential supplies if there is an issue.
And now Brexit has become formal. What a loss for everybody.
Hes described the voters to a tee, my parents are in that group.....
Um, Mark Blyth wrote a whole book about Brexit and Trump, about a year beforehand. That said, this fella is in the same mould. Good work, chap.
Tearful, it so humbling. NHS or Aircraft Carriers(.)
A very humbling speech!
A couple of times, you've mentioned university and student loans. When it comes to putting food on the table, many university degrees aren't worth the paper they are written on. The main function of sending any Tom, Dick and Harry to uni. is to keep people out of the job market and thus keep unemployment figures down.
That may be true, but university are businesses these days, so more bums on seats means more profit for them - regardless of the actual value of the degrees they are peddling!
@@clivegreen I agree 100% with what you say. And I struggle to think of any other business in which prices for all products and services are the same. e.g. A restaurant; you wouldn't expect to pay the same price for a plate of chips as you would for a filet steak. Yet, as I understand it, all degree courses cost the same irrespective of the modal-average salary that graduates of the various subject can command.
I think Danny has a very good point about the Empire - really Australia should now belong to the Aboriginal People and they would be happy never knowing about people from other lands.
Well said!
Thank you so much, so much information, all of which is incite-full and explains exactly where we would be today in January 2023.
Brilliant speech, great chap 👍
Very interesting talk which I came across it purely by chance.
Sadly it feels a very accurate analysis of the situation we find ourselves in and the current bombastic posturing of the the UK Govt wrt the trade talk negotiations with the EU.
I strongly suspect that we will end up without a trade deal and be forced onto WTO rules come Jan 2021, but then that is what the Tory right have wanted all along.
true
@ Andrew H
Maybe if you didn’t insult people immediately people might take you seriously ...but maybe not.
So firstly, there are no remainers now or remoaners because we’ve left already.
Secondly it wasn’t the EU that promised all the benefits of membership without paying after leaving (Boris famously saying “we’ll have a cake and eat it Brexit”) it was the leave team.
Thirdly it was the leave team that created such a convuluted narrative that the various different statements actually contradict each other.
Now you can talk about democracy as much as you want but one of the things that make democracy function has to be honesty and understanding and it’s here the leave team really failed.
I would speculate that what's seems to have occurred is an ideological bubble, where bad ideas are roundly backed up and not challenged, which is why the EU was simultaneously
Telling everyone what to do and not listening
AND
going to listen to German car manufacturers, french cheese makers and Italian wine makers.
Like many previous government mistakes like CSA, Poll Tax etc it will come down to a lack of knowledge of reality from MP’s and a disregard/carelessness over consequences.
Or I could be completely wrong, it’ll be paradise in 6 months, with increased life expectancy and a wonderful economy.
Guess we’ll find out.
@Andrew H a democratic vote, which wouldn't stand a second one.
It's sad to see this all happening.
Everyone looses
@Andrew H because the second vote would go the other way.
@Andrew H you complaing about crystal balling.
Pretty sure it would go the other way, not anything you say will change it.
What Danny Dorling said was actually untrue. I remember when the Irish Premier Leo Varadkar gave a speech at Queens College Belfast in the run up to the 2016 referendum were he spelled out, item by item, what the consequences would be if the UK left the EU. So to say that nobody knew what would happen is totally untrue.
I just think it very sad. But thank you for your talk, some truths at last, thank you.
It was complacency, everyone was being told remain would win so many people voted leave as a protest vote not expecting to win
So, a 'protest' about 'life in the UK' that was 'part of the EU'... Thanks for clearing that up.
Who has told you that?
I work in sales most customers the following days admitted they voted for brexit without ever expecting it to win, had they thought they had a chance they would have considered their vote more
For a continental european like myself who still mourns that Monty Python split up ages ago: brexit is the gift that keeps giving.
I agree. This is a phenomenal programme. Life writes the best stories as they say.
Dropping in here from the states. The problems are so familiar.
Trump 2020
Germany actually built huge numbers of what they described as temporary accommodation. There was one built on a site beside our local church in Münster. It has since been disassembled. The refugees were not left on the street. That is not to suggest that Germany hasn't got a homeless issue. All countries do but I believe he was not comparing apples with apples.
My flat is small and on a main road, I'll be filling my van and setting off first thing in the morning, bring a few other chaps with me, pop the kettle on, looking forward to moving in ;-)
What a wonderful presentation.
Im happy somebody have will to finaly break up old times nostalgia and we are empire pathos . It will be long way to go for England .
No one cares about the empire
@Theraphim Hebraeorum Still im speaking better english than you can speak czech . But thanks for your comment anyway . It looks like i hit where it hurts when you feel urgency to teach me some manners . Takže tak milej zlatej anglickej .
@@jdlc903 Sure , that is why singing Rule Britania is so important topic nowadays .
@@Lastie1987 song isnt about empire its about the nation and navy you ignoramous small minded .You clearly have a problem with the least patriotic country in Europe having patriotic songs.you seem malicous,
@Theraphim Hebraeorum Czech people remember very well 20th century history . It was your decision wich leads to Munchen treaty , it was partially your decision throw us ower board in negotiations with Stalin so we ended up with 40 years of comunist dictature . Our grandfathers did fight in battle of Brittain and nowadays our people living and working in UK are targets of hate because they have different accent ? How it is right so ? And tell me , what you want to have instead of EU ? Small national states as easy targets for big economical players around world ? China , USA and Russia will buy your assets for peanuts after economical suicide called Brexit . No thanks . And remember , history will judge you decisions .
Brilliant.
Bloody awesome. Clear and concise, UK needs to wake up and be the best it can be, not what it thinks it still is.
it needs a professor to figure this one out? when I first met British people in larger numbers I understood quite early, that you guys really suffered under the wrong assumption, Britain was still a big thing. but maybe this whole Brexit thing will set it all straight in the heads and than the healing can begin. it is really not that much of a deal. if germans can come to terms with the past, the British should manage as well. and hopefully we can welcome you back in the open arms of the European family. I long for the day.
"back in the open arms of the European family": uhm, well... yes, probably.... however without op-outs nor rebates this time (just to be clear and set expectations at the right level....)
Yeah...I just happened to travel to London shortly after the Referendum. Beforehand I was confused about the result, but after seeing how history is portrayed in the UK, I suddenly completely understood what happened.
@@swanpride Indeed " how history is portrayed in the UK": as a fight between US and THEM, and "we, glorious British, always win". To this you add a constant bashing in the press of: EU, Germany and France. No wonder then Brexit happened.... Brainwashing for decades.
@@franckr6159 I happened to go to the naval museum, and the way the East India company was portrayed was extremely reductive. They even had a video which was talking about the "great trade ties" India and the UK have nowadays. I was kind of shocked. That's a little bit like being in a German museum which is all about the great ties Germany has with Israel nowadays, and how much Germany invested in the country while skipping over the reason why Germany did so in the first place.
The most brilliant analysis of UKs position today.
Too many comments from me :) One thing I think that may happen is like the Germans acknowledging the crap of their Nazi past, Britain will acknowledge the crap of its empire past and then we can move on
This was a sharp and pointy lecture/speech which has become the truth four years later. The decline goes faster on a slope that gets steeper every year. This means it will be harder to claw back up to even see a glimpse of the other countries on the top or on their way to the top. When you fall deep you have a race to catch up. And in order to catch up, everything has to be okay and fall into place. None of this is happening at the moment, because consecutive governments refuse to acknowledge they fallen deep after their magical utopian Brexit. Afraid of being blamed for failing. Any MP and any government can run a country in good times, but being a good MP and a good government in bad times distinguishes the boys from the men. Conservatives have proven to be boys not men. And worse, there is no man in sight to turn the tables. Vote any other party but the Conservatives!!! Even if you always voted conservative, this is the time to change that. For a better future. A slogan which has never been more true than nowadays. But it will be a long uphill struggle, mind that. It won’t be fixed in one election, this will take decades.
Very , very clever man !!
Sure there's a bright side, an independent Scotland and reunited Ireland! 😎
@James dow Greater region of Celtica? That isn't actually a word in the context in which you appear to mean it , but if it were you apparently want to reunite a gigantic swath through Europe all the way to the middle East and beyond?
Been done.
@James dow Yeh sure.
@James dow 25 July 1603James VI of Scotland is crowned James I of England On this day in 1603, James VI of Scotland was crowned James I of England and Lord of Ireland - a personal union that helped found today's United Kingdom.
Don't think anyone is arguing with that most importantly the English!
@@jasonkingshott2971 By the way, you might want to improve your English a bit. Otherwise they might haul you away when the pogroms begin.
Things are not well, therefore they voted Leave!
That is so stupid.
I pity the UK people, but they did it to themselves.
What utter nonsense. It was a poke in the eyes to the psychopaths running UKania to let them know we've had enough. The EU is just a ponzi scheme that's falling apart so we get out before the crash !!
Think of it as a Titanic lifeboat............who will they soak for the billions we shalln't be giving them ?
@@terencewallis540 Ah, the trolls are crawling from under the woodwork.
Why the hate, mate? The EU did nothing to deserve it. Your place has nothing but hate, hate and poverty. But the poverty is not our doing, it were your own leaders who failed to invest in the UK people.
We'll see the UK again in a few years, coming back to the EU for full membership, once you have learnt your lesson.
Really good.