The Worst Commanders to Play Against I The Command Zone 315 Magic: the Gathering Commander / EDH
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You know them, those legendary creatures that immediately elicit a groan from the rest of the table as soon as they're revealed. When you see them, you know the game you're about to play is going to SUCK. Today, we're running down the list of THE WORST COMMANDERS TO PLAY AGAINST.
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HOW DARE YOU
Also you're correct
🤣🤣🤣🤣 I hope you make your way back to game knights soon.
Good Luck with your new Channel!
I liked you Kyle, not anymore.jk
We're all hoping for another Kyle episode!!
This video made me want to play magic against Kyle even more
I built Derevi and I love watching people's reactions when they play against it the first time. They're like "oh no. Derevi" and then the game starts and they realize it's Bird Tribal and not a threat at all.
Same my Derevi deck is a bird tribal deck. It's a ridiculously hard deck to play with but it's kind of a lethal joke gone wrong!
I built a bird tribal Derevi deck and used it for a few weeks and then sleeved a nasty stax deck in the exact same color sleeve and surprised everyone. My play group was amused and upset at the same time.
Bird Tribal is so busted. Storm Crow is OP.
I have two Mikaeus the Unhallowed decks, both with the same color sleeves. One is a simple zombie tribal deck that's more flavor than power, the other is an ultra-budget build designed to make the opponents' game as miserable as ever, chock full of infinite combos. Whenever I sit down to play with either, it's always fun to watch the relief on people's faces when I play a zombie.
Mine is a mix of Bird Wizard tribal and Stifle effects, because some things deserve to be answered by very rude birds
This is a great topic, but I would love to see another one where the question is turned on its head: What are the best Commanders to play against? What Commanders promote fun for both sides of the board?
Depends really I enjoy archenemy type games where I play the role of archenemy so build decks assuming that and noting to fellow players to band up to kill me first.
Sometimes going against Stax decks I find really fun as it puts unoque restrictions on gameplay.
Then their are times I just want a fun raaaa raaaa I iz big I stompz you decks that are boring to go against and other times it's a hoot. Really it depends what your mindset is coming into a game and what decks are on the table.
I think there'd be two answers:
- Midrange/value commanders that don't ramp. They're sitting down to play card-advantage Magic, which means a lot of things will happen.
- Tribal/meme commanders. If someone sits down with Bear Force One, I'm super happy by default, and will do everything I can to help them win. :P
I think commanders based around mechanics that are meant for multiplayer are really fun. Decks built around promoting players to interact with each other like Queen Marchesa Monarch and Curse decks.
Great idea!
@Who needs profile Pictures Really?
Some Reaper King decks can be very un-fun though.
Interesting to hear Josh say he hates playing against “Durdly” decks yet I watched him play Uro, Titan of Nature’s Wrath and Athreos/50 Shadowborn Apostles 😂😂
Exactly
Solitaire is fine so long as it's *your* game lmao
@@morganstern2060 as long as u have a determined win within 3-5 minutes then its ok for casual play XD
I think those are much more interactive than the ones shown.
IKR.
It feels nice to watch something that isn’t about the virus, this makes me feel good takes some of the edge off
What commanders do you play?
I've just built a Pir and Toothy deck, fave deck is probably Meren, it was the first precon I bought.
Steven Shemeld right now I’m playing windgrace lol 😅😂💀but I want to make demons soon
Dude I feel you, I'm shut in my house in Milan and I'm almost going nuts lol These videos help a great deal!
Mr. Ricochet I’m in a small town bout 30 minutes from Houston and we’re on shut down, be safe bro it’s getting crazy out here
And then someone brings their infect deck, and it reminds you of getting infected with coronavirus.
Craig and Kyle in a Game Knights together would be awesome!
Not likely gonna happen. There has to be a girl now at any given moment.
It would also be the fastest
May I suggest Craig and Cassius?
Professor and Mel Li
Well I do play a decent edh
Another commander I really don't like to play against is a "Tutor Chain" commander. The best example I can think of is Prime Speaker Vannifar, where as soon as you untap with the commander you tutor for exactly Corridor Monitor -> Deceiver Exarch -> Breaching Hippocamp -> Disciple of the Ring -> Great Oak Guardian -> Protean Hulk and then win. It's not that I don't like Combo decks, but I don't like decks where if you ever untap with your commander, you win, by executing the exact same play every game.
See also: Zur the Enchanter
Lets not forget yisan
I mostly use these commanders as Toolbox commanders, also with fluff for non-reaction moments
Mormir
vannifar is a bit different in the sewnse that if part of the combo is in your hand then you have to do something else... which might be even worse because then you have to go through loops and stuff to get the combo going.
how does zur qualify? he has no chain with untapping, if we talk about shimmer zur he has a very good chance to win on the spot via storm or bust and lose bc necro put you to 5 life? i dont see you r point please explain =)
I imagine Craig is like Ultra Instinct Shaggy: “I haven’t even used 10% of my power”
He really is :D
CZ: Talks about Korvold Sacrifice and Windgrace Lands getting incidental value that ends up spinning wheels but doesnt combo out.
Me: Looks at my Korvold Lands deck (with Windgrace + Gitrog)
Me: I'm feeling very attacked rn
SAME
How do you not combo out in a deck that literally trips into infinites
I also have a Korvold Lands deck with Gitrog but it can combo out :v
I feel attacked and proud lol
I have a Windgrace deck with Gitrog and a Korvold sitting next to it because I was about to put him in xD
I have a "Child of Alara" - Player in my Group, but he usually tries to win with "Maze's End" and use Child like two times in the whole Game, which is fine for me.
I use Child of Alara as commander, but it's more of a "oh shit" button than the core of the deck. I'd probably swap to Golos or Karona if I had those, I just want the colors.
I made and energy deck and used Child of Alara as my commander just as an emergency board wipe, and I found that it was too easy to abuse even when not built around abusing it. It's currently on my shelf waiting for me to bring it out again.
LOL Mazes End is so fun, I made a ''gates'' deck with the new Niv-mizzet Reborn, it just felt right:P
It also sounds like okay commander for a Gods tribal deck since it gives you the devotion and all of the gods will survive in some way.
Child is such a stupid card. People can steal it. People can copy it. Worst thing: when the Child-player isn't drawing anything good, so all he does is replay Child. Simply everyone is going to wipe the board. Talk about getting nowhere very, very, slowly...
4:21 to skip to the start, here you go
OK/OK
Thanks
Thanks I can't do the songs lol
Narset: Rogue's Passage, then I swing again. Let's do the Time Warp Again.
Seriously underrated content over here
41:30 "I think it's fun to play high..." - Josh
I see what you did there ;)
I mean he’s not wrong
hard to track those triggers after a while
That cracked me up.
@@quickfingers_yt7502 Yeah, he's Josh, Jimmy is the Wong guy c:
Josh: “ I do think it’s fun to play high.”
41:30
Need an episode on what decks you DO like playing against, please :D
Probably only the same style they play...
Group Hug would literally be the only decks on that list
Just wait til... next week ;)
In my playgroup one of my good friends has a bird tribal headed by Kangee, Aerie Keeper. I love playing against it because it's actually not terrible but it utilizes some of the most funny and underplayed birds from the game's history. Dying to a 7/7 Sage Owl is just hilarious.
@@patrickmchugh4616 Kangee is an awesome commander I haven't had the pleasure of playing against before.
Jimmy: *Is cast for a major movie*
Josh’s degree in theatre: “Am I a joke to you?”
Damn last time i was this early. Jimmy had over 5 lands on gameknights
child of alara looks like the space baby from 2001: a space odyssey went super-saiyan
21:20 "Didn't expect a pre-con to make this list... but this one did." I'm pretty sure Derevi was a pre-con... and yall talked about him like two seconds ago.
yep, he comes in roon... which is a Josh deck lol
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@@king_eternal She*
@@neorazor1403 Roon came in the Derevi pre-con youa mean?
Neo Razor Derevi is a poster commander in that particular precon deck
UA-cam subtitles, " It's Josh Leake why"
If the love of my life Korvold is on there I will be mad!
Edit: Well, I hate you but I also get your point and I'm definitely guilty of it
I built a Korvold deck and I regret it for the reasons mentioned. Though it is very powerful.....
I use Mizzix as a commander for burn, drawing cards and casting burn spells. It's one of the best commanders to make a spellslinging burn deck effective for commander, big comet storm and jaya's immolating inferno and killing someone with fireball
11:11 the way you defined korvold
Reminded me of josh's uro deck that was on game knights was probably more durdling than any korvold deck ive seen. Then again thats pretty much every simic commander lol.
Welcome to the guild of Durdling:p
@@mr.mammuthusafricanavus8299 XD
Experiment Kraj! Where Sharktocrab is a valid win condition!
I had the most wonderful experience playing with Jimmy Wong and Josh Lee Kwai at Commandfest last year.
Last year at Commandfest I went to the event with the intention of playing the Elder Dragon Highlander format of Magic: The Gathering with great people and walked away (limped away) with so much more. I sat down at an empty table and started pulling out my playmat and decks when I heard a familiar, succulent voice from across the table.
"Howzit? Are you looking for players?" I looked up and saw Josh Lee Kwai and Jimmy Wong from the Command Zone Podcast, my destination for all things Elder Dragon Highlander. He extended his massive, muscular arm for a handshake and I shook his hand; his handshake was VERY firm. Jimmy looked on at us as we shook hands and I saw the longing in his eyes.
I responded with "yeah, haha I'm a big fan of your show! I'm really good at asking about powerlevels now." Josh put his hand on my shoulder and replied,
"you, champ, are a pillar of this community. Thank you. Now, what powerlevel would you like to play at, king?"
I blush and respond with "UUhhhh, maybe a 7?"
"7 it is!" Josh said as he turned to Jimmy.
I pulled out my freshly put together Omnath Voltron Deck and prepared for battle. After I got Omnath to a 17/17 I swung at Jimmy for lethal Commander Damage. Before picking up his cards the phrase "Oohh senpai, your commander is too big!" Slipped through his moist lips. I thought it to be odd at first, but looking back on it should have caught on earlier. End of turn Josh cast an overloaded Cyclonic Rift and I lost all my mana. "Damn!" I say, "nice moves!"
"These aren't even my best moves, if you know what I mean." He turned to Jimmy as he said that and winked. Jimmy then chuckled and looked at me. Again, I should have caught on. A couple turns later, he cast Expropriate, and the tables next to us immediately stop what they're doing and turn to look on.
"Don't pick time! Don't pick time!" Jimmy wailed.
"Don't pick time! Don't pick time!" the onlookers repeat.
"Hmmm. Champ, if you pick time, I'll make sure that your time at the Command Zone, your destination for all things Elder Dragon Highlander, is unforgettable." Knowing that losing Omnath would mean I could not win, I decided to go with time to give myself a chance. "Awesome, nice move King! I'll make sure you don't regret it." Jimmy picks up his water bottle and took a big swig, looking me dead in the eyes while he sipped. It was so hot knowing that Jimmy stays hydrated.
I lost that game, but I still had a blast. We decided on playing one more game, before Josh and Jimmy had to go. I pull out my Grenzo Goblins deck and begin shuffling. Jimmy's eyes lit up and he said to me "Mono red! Hey nice dick bro!"
"What?" I ask bewildered that he would say that.
He began to stroke his water bottle and “repeated himself,” saying "nice deck bro."
I lost that game to Josh's Triumph of the Hordes, but again, I sure had a blast.
Josh began to pack up his things and as he did, said to me "That deck was sponsored by Wizards of the Coast, thank you so much for providing us with these awesome decks, they are so fun! If you plan on buying decks like these make sure you head on over to Card Kingdom and use our affiliate link in the description below. It's a great way to support the show!"
Jimmy grabbed Josh's sexy, manly shoulder and said to him, looking at me, "wait a minute, aren't we forgetting something?"
"Oh right!" Josh exclaimed. "If you would like to spend more time in and around the Command Zone, your destination for all things Elder Dragon Highlander, and would like to enjoy your stay, why don't you come visit our hotel tonight? It's the Hilton just down the road, room 1109. It's the power and toughness of Void Winnower, surely you can remember that, Champ."
He came around the table to give me a hug, and after his warm, soft body enveloped mine, he whispered into my ear words that I will never forget....
"Hey, bring your A-game, OK? I want you at your best."
At 8:30 PM Pacific standard time I knocked on the door to room 1109 at the Hilton Hotel in downtown Seattle, Washington, and unbeknownst to me, my life was about to change forever. Josh answered the door and I could feel the steam and heat from his shower come out the door as he opened it. Standing there proudly, with a towel wrapped around his waist, hair still wet from his shower, showing his beautiful chiseled abs, was THE Josh Lee Kwai from the Command Zone podcast, my destination for all things Elder Dragon Highlander. I was shocked, and he could tell. "Champ!" he proclaimed. "Hey Jimmy! Our champ is here!!" From around the corner Jimmy Wong from the Command Zone podcast comes into view, wearing nothing but a smile.
"We are so glad you could make it!!" Jimmy exclaimed as he slowly climbed into bed. I notice that while the room is large, there is only one queen sized bed. "We've been expecting you." Jimmy said. Josh grabbed me and pulled me into the room. I was very excited to play more Elder Dragon Highlander. I set down my backpack and began to pull out my playmat but Josh put his hand on mine and told me that we wouldn’t be needing any gaming supplies. Which was unfortunate, as I was looking forward to playing my highly-Tuned 75% Nekusar.
Josh turned me around so that I was facing the now closed door to room 119 of the Hilton hotel in downtown Seattle, Washington. He brought his body closer to mine so that I could feel his Paradox Engine rubbing against my butt. "Do you like that, Champ?" I respond with affirmation.
"Good." I'm still sad that the card was banned, but I didn't want to upset my host by talking about the EDH banlist. After a minute or so Josh directs me to Jimmy's Paradox Engine, which was now front and center of the queen sized bed. He guided my head by grabbing my neck and shoving it into Jimmy's Paradox Engine. I began to repeatedly untap his permanents, and Jimmy threw his head back and screamed.
"Oh yeah, make that infinite mana!” he yelled. “Yes! I want to cast the world's biggest fireball!!" As he said this, Josh unbuckled my belt and took down my pants. I felt his Foil Paradox Engine bump against me as he stood back up. Jimmy noticed this and screamed "Oh my god! He's about to storm off!"
Josh grabbed my love handles and planted his feet. I could feel him slip his Paradox Engine into my bottom, still warm from the recent banning. He began to tap and untap my bottom like a Derevi Stax deck, and as my lands got held down I can feel the storm count rise and rise and rise. Josh's deck was obviously too strong for the table, but he is so amazing and handsome, that I just had to let it happen so I could learn from him. Jimmy grabbed my face and brought it up to him and he kissed me, his phyrexian oil still dripping from my mouth. God his infect deck is so hot. "I'm...going to...pass the turn to you Jimmy." Josh said out of breath. Jimmy got up and moved to where Josh was standing, planted his feet, and began storming off.
Josh Lee Kwai put his Foil Paradox Engine in my face and I was blown away by its beauty. I was so happy to have the opportunity to play with it that I put it in my mouth and began to tap and untap his permanent. He threw his head back and between moans was able to muster “Ask...your...playgroup."
After Jimmy filled me with Phyrexian Oil, Josh domed us both with his Aetherflux Reservoir. His head immediately jerked up and he extended his arm. "Good Game!" he exclaims. As I gathered my things and got ready to catch the bus home, Josh stopped me on the way out, still naked and covered in sweat. I will never forget his last words to me:
"You're going to be buying cards from Card Kingdom Anyway, so you may as well use the Command Zone affiliate link. Champ, thank you for giving us an unforgettable play experience. I hope you continue to ask your pods what the powerlevel of their decks are."
I love The Elder Dragon Highlander Format of Magic: The Gathering. It feels like yesterday that this all transpired, but it was so long ago, and sometimes I wonder if it was a dream. For now, I will live my life as if it did happen, always asking the pod what their power level is before I decide what deck to play. Next time you see someone playing an Omnath Voltron deck at Wednesday night commander, ask him if he watches the Command Zone, your destination for all things Elder Dragon Highlander. Maybe I can show you my A-game.
Here is a tip if you ever find yourself wanting to build a Child of Alara deck: Put in Athreos, Shroud-Veiled and then watch your table weep the moment you start putting coin counters on your commander.
Who hurt you?!?
holy crap. ho-ly crap. i never realised experience counters are attached to the player. this changes my opinion on them entirely! removal is rampant in my groups, and having the same counters you had before your commander was killed is freakin nuts!
Them talking about korvold
Me: wait a minute, that's exactly how my muldrotha deck works
In Muldrotha's case, you can see what's in your graveyard and plan for your turn in advance, so it probably flows a little faster.
@@DarkEinherjar I built a Korvold deck and I really regret it because of these exact reasons. It's not that fun to play or play against either.
It really doesn't flow faster, my friend has a muldrotha deck and it takes forever because he mills him self a bunch and does a bunch then ends his turn and barely anything changes. And if a player does anything he always has a response that takes a while so it does drag the game on way longer.
@In the name of scientific progress stax is something that no one in my play group regularly uses because is very ground upon
@@LuminaryMuse222 See? That's why I play things like Thassa's Oracle and Jace, I don't durdle around for 40 turns but just mill myself out with dredge and Altar of Dementia :D
Advantage of that is that it works relatively well through graveyard hate because I mostly just care about flipping my deck over.
Ramos Dragon Engine when built right is the king of durdling... When it pops off turns take a ridiculous amount of time... I've seen many play groups eyes glaze over when they see what my Ramos deck actually does. In fact the decks main win con is just to make everyone concede. Unfortunately there is usually always one hard headed player that won't concede and the game continues to spirell into a larger amount of durdling.
Am i the only one who thinks dragon shield sleeves are the best and not those ultra pro sleeves with art? 2:20
Ditto
I don't like the way they shuffle
They are sponsored by them so they have to show Ultra-Pro sleeves. In some pics of them playing in their playgroup you can see Dragonshields.
allard stegeman I prefer dragon shield, but I also believe they’ve pushed those ultra pro sleeves/art sleeves to a really high level of quality.
I shuffled a bit with the katana and fuck they are nice. So real toss up between the two
Command Zone - Talks about Durdle decks
Also Command Zone - gives a meer passing Mention to Muldrotha 😂
It took me so long to understand why I and a tabel didn't have fun when I played her, even though she's my favorite. The Durdle is at 11 with her
Muldy is my main deck and I haven't had this issue with her. She's good at slowing the game down long enough to get 6cmc on board and untap, but she's also good at comboing off with the way she uses the graveyard + her colors.
Me adjusting my Korvold deck while watching the episode: .........but is it really that bad?? Lolz
I just made a korvold deck and tried it out last night haha.
Tbh, I dont play korvold but have never thought it was annoying. What I find annoying are people that spend too much time thinking and not enough time doing
Depends on your playgroups relative power level. It’s fine if the other decks are strong enough to compete and your group is okay playing the cards to fight it.
Axel Inglis Our play group isn’t too bad, once someone pops off and talks us through how they’re planning to win, we usually just say “ok good game” and move on
Just run a win condition, for the love of god don't just sit there for 20 goddamn minutes and effect nothing...Avenger of Zendikar...literally just...just one copy of that guys...all you need...
I’ve put the most time and money on Korvold, because it’s EXTRAORDINARILY fun. Yet I agree with literally everything they said. Apologies to anyone’s whose had to deal with my 10 minute turn that eventually ends with rise from the dark realms, a sac outlet, and Zulaport cutthroat.
*Food Chain intensifies*
I'd like to nominate Niv-Mizzet, Parun since its the commander that I've played against that has most often required the table to whip out pen and paper to resolve the stack.
TheCrimsonYoshi could be most of the Izzet Decks xD
I agree it's really fun to play.
As someone with a Niv-Mizzet Parun deck i feel personally attacked.
Cause my play group has also had to whip out a pen to remember the stack.
Also playing it, there are so many triggers to remember. I forget at least 10 a game lol
Y'all are quickly becoming my very favorite YT channel. Keep up the good work!
Pulled 2 foil Sen Triplets from my Mystery booster box...
I only got 1! Although I did get a mana crypt so can't really complain
I somehow hit the lottery and got 2 mana crypts in my box. Still don’t know how I got that lucky.
I got 2 Elesh Norn and Expropriate
Ended making my money back so that’s good
I built Child of Alara and Talrand and broke both of them down.
Child of Alara, people get bored. “Oh, you wrathed for a 3rd time?” People just start to want to scoop, because the game starts feeling like a waste of time.
Talrand - exactly what you said. You counter everything and win on value. It just gets dull.
Now I’m focusing on fun to play AND fun to play against decks.
Worst to play against - TBH the C16 CEDH commanders aren’t hot to play against. Especially Thrasios/Tymna.
Gotta love when a player has Narset (War of the Spark) and another player has Locust God out on the field. The other 2 players decide. Maybe getting rid of the Narset is a good idea. Me in my head watching a collapse of a wall to a flood of locusts coming to eat everything alive
Narset and teferi's puzzle box with locus god = funny for you, suxs for the table (you get all the cards the table gets none)
Only remember playing one of these sort of decks the last MF i went to, the person started taking infinite turns. Myself and one other person looked at each other and thought "Well, I'm at an event, I'm not gonna sit here while this person digs for their win condition" (which they didn't have in their hand), so we both politely conceded and went to go look for more games after maybe three or four of the extra turns (person hadn't won yet.) Full credit to the one remaining player who made them take their turns til they either died or something else happened (I had left table and didn't find out outcome of the game).
I take this situation case by case now, but I do in some (albeit small number) cases make people take their 25 extra turns. I just want you to *do* something with your infinite turns. Kill me. Don't waste my time; don't waste two other people's time, especially if its at an event.
I realy like mizzix with "x" spells, that get biggers and biggers
Same.
4 words
Spell Burst With Buyback
THE DEFINITION OF NOT FUN
I played against her once. She took a 20 minute turn/s and I went home mid-sequence promising I would never play with them again. I hate authistic behaviour like this.
@@gysahlgemuse7208 Depends on how the deck was built and how eperienced the player was at piloting their deck though.
That is so awesome that Jimmy was on the Red Carpet... Congrats man... also funny watching you throw your phone to your brother on the Red Carpet :D
I see Lord Windgrace, I click, such a fun commander!
Long time constructed player. Bought the Windgrace precon for my first EDH deck, honestly made me love magic so much more with all the interesting ways to play him! Not to mention all the ways i've learned to tune it up from Jimmy, Josh and the gang watching this show. much love command zone!
Feline man take me by the hand lead me to the land
That you understand!
Its funny how they talk about permission decks as an archetype when those types of games are literally every game of yugioh. Players generally have to ask if each effect they activate resolves or if they have some sort of response
When's Kyle going to play on Game Knights again? I'd love to see you guys all play Kyle made decks like how you played Craig decks. MAKE IT HAPPEN
I agree Josh should play his derevi stax, Kyle has Locust God, Craig has broken things for him and jimmy to pilot.
GAAIV is my favorite EDH deck. I play mine much more conventional UW control. The tax package is still real but I avoid the symmetrical tax effects in exchange for diversifying my win cons. Augie such a safe proactive piece to play consistently on turn 3/4. It baits out removal, is easy to cast a couple more times in the game. There is something very powerful feeling about putting a stranglehold on the entire table. I love being the arch villain.
I personally can’t stand Golos. It feels bad to kill him since he’s almost always pays for his own commander tax and letting them untap with it feels just as bad. Maybe that’s just me but the golos strategy always feels the same.
Craigomyeggo ooooh ye. Fk golos -.- I wanted to build him at first, but then I saw a bunch of games with him n I’m like “...never mind 😒”
@@CeltiesSin That why I play Slimefoot. If I want a narrow strategy, I'll build a commander with a narrow strategy. Once I get around to it, I'll be building Morophon Sliver or even Morophon Eldrazi. Any tribal with Morophon is pretty good and can have SO many different strategies.
Craigomyeggo oh I met a player how used golos to pull field off the dead from his deck then he would use it to create tons of zombie tokens and overwhelm us, his commander wasn’t golos it was field of the dead and he used golos to get it
Craigomyeggo My Golos deck is all about grabbing gates and winning with Maze’s End. I try not to be too degenerate 😅
@@Blythus I'm building a Taigam, Ojultai Master deck right now. I can be a fucking degenerate with Approach, or I can be really kind and press the degenerates under my thumb so everyone else can have fun too! It's a fearsome deck atm, but it still needs some kinks taken out.
My friends and I were putting together some budget decks. I made a Maze's End deck with Child of Alara as the commander for the 5 colors but also just as an insurance policy in case the deck isn't working fast enough. It goes most games never casting it and the deck is pretty fun.
While Korvold Brawl never really bothered me much in Arena, I never want to see anything like a Cauldron Cat deck in Standard ever again.
I have a friend who built a selesnya gaddok teeg deck just because he was fed up with being hit by cyclonic rift. The deck has no stax pieces, he just disliked that one card.
So the big themes here are:
Decks that don't let people play the game (Stax/ridiculous levels of permission)
Decks that are only really playing with themselves until they get the win and usually take long turns (Solitaire combo/durdley non-interactive decks)
So..... Muldrotha with a self-mill win-con?
Surprised they never mentioned purphoros with locust god as that's a hard combo to remove and then the wheel effects make you die quick
I do‘nt get locust god. My friend has one, and its not that bad although its pretty heavily powered up
Also I missed Chulane. If its built correctly, your turn just slows the game down.
chulane requires a LOT of setup. every game ive played chulane its been targeted immediately. and the deck ist even made very well. like its not a huge threat
I totally agree with you about Locust God. I play it and it's one of my favorites and my group likes it too. When the deck wheels, it wins, it doesn't durdle and wheel twenty times with no victory.
I love my Locust God deck
The Locust God has a lot of potential, to be bad.
My friends don't like playing mine
I’ve got Derevi, but it’s just for bird tribal. I pretty much only use his ability as pseudo-vigilance and occasionally to instant speed tap problematic creatures. The closest to stax it gets is getting out the land that lets me sacrifice a bird to draw a card, so I can sac Derevi and then put him back out with his ability to tap something down. And when I’m playing a 7 mana tap ability, I don’t think it’s too bad.
Surprised they didn't mention Zur, the Enchanter. The ability to tutor for perfect removal, card draw and stax and combo pieces is nauseating
I've got a derevi tokens deck. It's just filled with cards that tap to produce tokens. It's sort of a death by a thousands cuts deck in that every time you hit your opponents you untap and tap your token producers to grow your army (+throw in a few value tap creatures like arcanis to help deal with other situations)
"Cant believe a precon made this list"
Talked about a precon commander shortly before...
I'm currently building Derevi with Opposition, Primal Order, Winter Orb, and a bunch of small birds with which to untap and tap stuff via Derevi's abilities. Sephara to keep my birdies safe, and Isochron Scepter with Counterspell and stuff like that on it just to make sure about answer effects.
There was one commander: Horobi, Death's Wail. So many cheap targeting effects such as Squee's Toy. So innocent, yet so deadly.
RIP equipment.
Played a game recently against a Horobi deck with my new Snapdax deck. Goes what mutate does...
My Lord Windgrace deck is actually the deck most resilient to land destruction. I've even tried out Obliterate in it and it was so strong that I immediately took it out again.
Never a bad day with these guys!!
I love the giant black frog in dominaria that does nothing. Just love it.
When they were talking about the kess storm deck i had a bit of an awkward shuffle moment. I dont play kess, i dont play storm. But i have an arjun the shifting flame that is all about spinning its wheel to find the right answers at any given moment, as a result ts winning turn is very similar to a storm decks win even though it uses none of the same cards.
I also play a lands deck though i switched from windgrace to golos to make the deck more proactive and less durdly.
I also have just built a hatebears deck.
*checks for skulls on his hat.*
Are... are we the baddies?
I used to know two players in out playgroup who built gaddok teeg decks way back when I first started playing magic and I've come to realize that Sisay is even worse because you can tutor for him whenever you want!
Before I watch all I’m gonna say the worst commander to play against is Craig
Dying early is still better then most of these that just does not let you play, like most of these
A lot of powerful strategies in this video. Personally I play Urza and Gitrog (referenced a lot).
I’d like to build commander decks with power levels between pre-con and cEdh. It would be great to see what you guys have built in that space with deck lists.
Me a nekusar pilot in the first 35 mins: awwww~ neky isn't on the list :3
Me when they mention locust god because of the constant wheeling:.....but not nekusar....right?? :'(
If it makes you feel better, Nekusar decks disgust me and I could care less about the bug god
Lol its because nekusaur is bad
@@steveng6721 :o
I think it's because of Josh's love of his 5 color nekusar deck
My newest hate Commander is Muldrotha, just makes games slow when it is half Gitgrog / half Boardwipe tribal. When it does not win, it just makes the game longer and is constantly threatening locks and recursion. Depending on the pilot it might also struggle with all the digging and Hand+Gravehand interaction.
In addition to some of Comand Zone's choices, I have a few ones I tend to "dislike":
Momir Vig, Simic visionary: just because of the amount of tutoring it has. It takes a lot of time. I like to have torpor orb on turn two if possible against such decks.
Teferi, Temporal Archmage: because it's a recursive planeswalker and mono-blue.
Kaalia the vast: cheating out dirty monsters is not fun
Mindlock orb or similar is way better to shutdown Vig. Torpor orb doesn't stop his tutor effects as they're on cast
True... but momir vig decks tend to play only etb-creatures (atleast according to my experience).
My Sen Triplets deck is a secondary pillow fort deck since I understand and accept they will kill the Trips so might as well prevent attacks and stuff while I get Trips out again later and stay alive. Once out maybe with protection the deck tries to bounce things back to the opponents hands to use against them. I don't think it's an optimal build but I like it.
I built 3 of the decks in the list and I have the Windgrace precon but I haven't changed anything from it.
Jimmy's in Mulan?!?!?! Now I have to see it when it's out!
They mentioned that's why he was absent a good chunk of last year
Locust God was the commander that got me into the game. My friends played and I tried thier decks and enjoyed it but never had my own, then i found him, added all my bulk draw a card spells and quickly made a very cheap deck the rivaled their's, fast forward 2 years and few of deck laters, Locust God now draws a lot of groans when I play him,but I will not stop!
The Ides of March are on March 15 just in case anyone was wondering this was in regards to the End Step
Nice to see a video about this topic. I hate some mechanics in mtg, decks solely focused on counterspell, discard, poison, destroying land anything that hampers you or makes it anti interaction
Starts at 4:21
I used to play in a group with a regular narset player but i just added cards like arcane lighthouse and or player sacrifice creature spells and always kept those players in check. Ive never forgotten those games and now always play with cards that remove hexproof. They made me a better deck builder :)
Just started magic love it so much thank you for inspiring me
You are welcome
My big one from the list you gave that I have a very fun build for is Daretti, but that's because mine isn't stax in any way, it's bird tribal and it's super fun and casual.
THAT HARMONY AT THE INTRO!!!
1 of them. Had a Narset deck sleeved up, my playgroup faded out of playing for a couple of months, and during that time the older forums began hating on Narset decks. I still wonder how fun she would have been, even if just once.
"if you have friends that play a lot of commander, just count the ones they have made"
well, that's pretty much all of them
A good Derevi deck is bird tribal. Its kinda fun and simple. The birds shall rule all
I'm surprised they didn't mention chaos decks/commanders that make the game take 4-5 hours
When it comes down to decks like korvold, windgrace and other decks that have durdle troubles, I think it comes down more so to the player rather than the commander or style of deck.
If the player is the kind that is hyper focussed on always making the optimal play or best decision, then yeah, they durdle like crazy and it's awful, but if the player just goes impulsively and without overthinking every little detail, the turns go quite quick and there's no real problem
*Pulls out mono blue deck*
Everyone at the table: Omg kill the control player!
Me: But I'm playing Mistform Ultimus :(
me: but its padeem.
They laughed at me for playing Thassa so I went Dark Side and changed her to Infect Thassa. I get hated out but they don't laugh anymore.
About the Sen Triplets: If your group allows Un-cards, play Clocknapper and have a regular means to bounce her (Deadeye Navigator works great!) bounce her, take the next opponents Beginning phase, which includes untapping and upkeep. You get to untap and they can't play spells for the rest of that turn. Rinse and repeat to lock the table down.
Korvold is my favorite deck to play right now!
It's so amazing, I'm in love aswell!
Another good card with winter orb is mechanized production because no one can get rid of that many copy’s
For me it's the locust god once it gets stated it's difficult to get rid of and the aggro potential of that deck, leads me to regardless of the game go for the locust god first, due to the feel bads I have towards that commander. :S
Ok, simple solution. Run Illness in the ranks, or cards that target cards with the same name. Also, run cards that tax your opponent for attacking and drawing. Also, destroy their lands. Or just run Runed Halo. Name Locus God. Then play Greater Auramancy. GG.
@@garrettmartin4750 I do have my stax decks and yes land destruction runs well with any commander and stuff like nevermore to go nope to said commander which I run both in my Zur cEDH necro storm deck. ;)
But yeah with the locust god it's more my least fun game memories stem from that card, so basically even if I do have those solutions my innermost salt demon is unleashed and I curbstomp the hell out of that deck from my feel bads. :P seriously I had more fun playing against Stax commanders than I do with that card. :P
@@ecos889 haha no need for salt. I run Locus God in my Brudiclad deck as a "secret" fun time.
Imagine being so bad that you target people because of your feels
@@steveng6721 I never target a person I target a specific commander because I never had fun playing against it. It's boring to watch a person paying one mana equipping a locust with skull clamp and drawing two cards similarly how I feel bored from a person raking up a storm count. Certain commanders can create uninteractive games that have turns that last for an hour. so yes targeting the commander that you are certain are going to have that style of game play once it starts is fair. Same can be said going against the Narset player kill that person first otherwise the game will likely be a boring one.
My general play style is geared towards simple and clean wins such as consultation kess, worldgorger kroxa on the Cedh level of things and the more casual side of things I play decks like Ghired populate reanimation, golos gates and brago superfriends which wins through approach to the second sun and a lot of card draw, none of which anybody has yet felt bad to losing too as the win con set in each of these decks do not take people just sitting down watching paint to dry before something happens as the thing that happens usually is easy to understand and is consise and to the point. I design decks with my opponents enjoyment of going against them in mind. So yes if I see an unfun commander I am going to stop it from creating an unfun game state.
I'd love to see an episode where you all choose decks from this list to play.
My friend ult'd lord windgrace when he was introducing us to edh. I was like k this is how its gonna be
Rob L There’s a reason my friends have only allowed me to ult once with him
@@jonathonradke3983 hes since then dismantled the deck because he thought it was too powerful
Honestly, I don't think that the ultimate is even that powerful. It is more about the fact that usually +2, +2 into -3 to bring the 2 lands back is better then trying to ult him in most cases.
Ondřej Bronec You’re probably right. For me and my play group it tends to act as combo piece removal and a big tempo swing. It’s just fun to pull off lol.
But don’t get me wrong, it won me that game when I cleared a bunch of creatures like thantis (my buddy’s commander) and got to swing with 10/11 plants lol
The way you were describing Korvold made me think of the way Chulane plays. Such long turns...
"You don't build decks assuming stax" ... wait you don't?
whenever I'm in a new pod ill play brago because he circumnavigates stax, just in case.
I build most of my decks in a manner in which they can deal with most decktypes including stax. If a deck has a weakness you have to compensated them or you just have to live with the consequences but anyone that complains about stax and control being "no fun" is just too careless or stubborn while deckbuilding.
@@lefloidNemesis Yeah I really don't get that whole whining, there is more than enough that works against removal and counterspells, the stack is a great thing, people need to use it.
If I play vs blue and every spell I cast **resolves** it kinda frustrates me because it nullifies any "correct" plays that tries to play around interaction.
Some of these things, like seriously considering priority passes because of counterspells out of nowhere, are basically how my entire playgroup plays lol. Weird to see that as a complaint but I also also see how a playgroup not used to that could feel disrupted by a new deck that does that.
0 seconds in and I'm already commenting. Not seeing Zur in the thumbnail really makes me wanna have a talk with you JLK....
we ALL know how bad Zur is to play against...am disappointed
at least most Zur decks win quickly
Zur is so bad that when I played a VERY CASUAL deck using him I was still hated out first. The other guys checked out my deck after and couldn't believe how janky it was. Zur is not going to be low end in most peoples minds.
@@yichong777 yeah that's the point lol. Zur can lock a game by turn 3 in a CASUAL 1v1. He's mostly hated out in pods though.
@@newtpondskipper yeah man Zur is crazy. We have one in our playgroup who's been slowly upgrading over the years and it's to the point where it can toe to toe with my turn 2 win Sultai Muldrotha deck. Zur is one of my least favorite decks to play against.
I disassembled my CEDH gitrog because not using it enough to make up for how much I paid for it was more harm than good but that deck was the only one to smoke his Zur every time.
If you bring a Zur to the table you better be prepared lol.
@@chrispy6953 I learned my lesson. Put in necropotence which I wasn't running before so as to be casual. A few more fun cards later I understand the hate.
I built my Urza deck as a sort of chaos deck. Theres no tutors or stasis type effects, it's just a "let's see what I can get this time" and its full of high cmc cards even if they dont work together
I literally only watched this so that ik which toxic commander decks I should build
I play a lord wingrace deck that's really fun! Its just a big landfalling value deck. Its biggest weakness is windgrace himself. If you remove him it slows you right down.
personal opinion here:
worst commanders to play against:
- any stax commander such as Urza, Brago, Lavinia, Derevi, etc because of course you're there to play magic, not to just see one person play and the rest untap 1 permanent each turn and passing.
- Storm decks such as Jhoira, Yidris, Kess, Mizzix, etc. because watching a person take a 20-minute turn to just win at the end it's just boring, again, everyone is there to play and not to just watch one person play.
the rest of the decks are fine to me, Korvold, Lord W, even Sen Triplets you can respond and play the game as normal.
again this is a personal opinion
Cristian Prado I actually have both Urza and Mizzix in my playgroup and I can tell it’s annoying as hell ... The only way I found to disrupt these strategies was with a Xantcha Curse Deck. Double the damage and force everyone to attack that puts a lot of pressure on these decks.
@@ZukJulius that's a good strategy, put pressure on those decks might be the best. we have an Urza and Daretti stax in our playgroup and we always kill them first so they know what to expect when they bring those strategies to the table.
unfortunately one of the best strategies to stop a storm deck is tax them a bit, rule of law efects, damping sphere or spirit of the labyrinth will completely shut them down but I'll be hard for the rest of the table too.
in the end I think the best thing is to talk it over with the table and see what's best so everyone can enjoy playing
neither of them seem to be a problem for me =) if its a very staxy table run big creatures and smash them, stax doesnt play the most creatures and they are not big! and against storm just play stax haha storming off against grand arbiter is incredibly difficult or a RULE OF LAW xD
@@AlexSoloBeats yeah but how can you.untap lands y they winter/static orb you.on turn 2/3? sounds easy to say "just run big creatures"... big creatures usually have a big cmc, and against stax is very hard to really on your mana sources since they don't only remain tapped, but they also get tapped (tangle wire) or destroyed (armageddon). if you can slip a big one, sure, smash face with it the thing is it's hard to cast them or put them on the battlefield.
@@cristianprado8559 well all im saying lots of stax decks have trouble closing out games, you have time to hit them with 5/5s. i see stax as a moderator in a pod, makes it harder to win for everyone and breaking parody on winterorb/static orb is difficult too. as you mentioned you dont like 20 min turns -> stax is there to prevnt that from happening
I really like to play Kess, but I also build her more in a "build tokens, poke people, wack them with a big combo" way, rather than the endless storm you usually see. It helps that I had to build her around a creature-heavy meta.
Why is everyone hating on my favorite ringmaster in the Circus of Value, Korvold? He's just super hungry guys! I also have Urza, but I will never put a stax orb in it. I don't even have dramatic scepter.
It’s so awesome to see how proud JLK is of jimmy. True friendship when you can be so supportive and excited for your friends success.