About 15 years ago I was working for a U.S. Senator and was able to travel to Tunisia with him and several other Senators. Along the way we visited a literal rug merchant. On several of the rugs I noticed the beehive symbol that is so common in Utah. I asked the shop owner (who spoke English) about it and he said that in Middle Eastern culture, bees are extremely prized for the honey they provide and somewhat reversed, hence the inclusion in the rug's design. I smiled internally... How would Joseph Smith known that??? Anyway... cool to see your post tonight. Keep up the good work!
Some years ago, I had a conversation with a coworker who was of Middle Eastern ancestry. I asked him about the meaning of Mulek. His answer was a 'young one who owns'. I then asked him if it meant little prince. He said yes. I think the correct definition is 'prince', which would acknowledge his true relationship with Zedekiah.
Anyone watched 'New Zealand; skeletons in the cupboard?'??? Because our part of the world has interesting stories and evidence for long distance voyages from the old world too.
The Book of Mormon had no evidence. They guys are always grasping for any little thing. Where are these massive civilizations that they made ? Why do you have Jews preaching and baptizing in the name of Christ before he even came? It’s a false book. The man who wrote it he was a polygamist and even falsely “translated” the Book of Abraham.
Mulek’s descendants included Hagoth who sailed into the pacific… and became Hawai’iloa, Maui’s dad. Tonga’s royalty exists as a safeguard to keep God’s promise to Judah that Judah’s descendants would rule until Jesus returns-if Tamar Tephi’s royal descendants in Europe go extinct
It is 100% impossible for Tea Tephi (her real name…not Tamar) to run out of descendants. If you have even a drop of Irish blood, then you have ancestors who could trace back to Tea Tephi, if she even existed at all. The Irish royal pedigrees may have had medieval embellishments.
So cool to hear about this. I worked in Tunisia and I have visited the old port of the Phoenician in Cartage. I also spent some time in Djerba. I is connected to the main land by a Causeway built by the Romans they call it Le Chasseaux Romaine. It doesn’t look like they ever paved it or made any improvement to it. It is still the only vehicle access to the island and is heavily traveled.
Been to Tunisia and Carthage. Yes!!!! So many things there just showed me that the Church had been established there at some point. The baptismal fonts! The sarcophagus in the Carthage museum with the life sized people carved on top wearing robes and having their hands and arms in positions that were very familiar. I asked the museum worker what the position meant he replied that it was to show an empty hand. (after that I didn’t ask anymore questions because I knew more than he did). They tried to convince me that the baptismal fonts were just part of old bath houses. Even today their bath houses don’t have oval pools with steps on each side. (Not big enough to swim in but certainly a size of a baptismal font) Been to Jerba as well!!! I found it very interesting that the majority of the island is Jewish and they are famous for their silver and gold work. (I believe that only priest in the ancient times had the knowledge of metal work) didn’t the people fleeing Egypt convince Aaron to build a golden calf? Why didn’t they build it themselves?….. because Aaron was one who carried the knowledge of metallurgy…….. just like Nephi. I guess I should watch your whole show before writing this! Lol oh was they knew how to sail and what and amazing port they had! Far better than what is there today!
The art of metallurgy had significantly expanded by the time Djerba was founded. With the exodus we're in the bronze age collapse. Most everyday tools were still stone and it was usually just certain families that knew the art (a pattern we see repeated in other bronze age societies). So it's likely Aaron and Moshe came from a family of metalsmiths and were selected to be priests. By the time of the Babylonian captivity we have fully transitioned into the iron age and metal working was much more common. But the kohanim (priests) in the community on Djerba are fascinating in their own right. They still follow the ritual purity rules from the first temple period. They only marry jews from djerba to keep the lines pure, and they never leave the island so as not to inadvertently walk on a grave. They don't even talk much to other kohanim from elsewhere, but it is theorized that still know all the ritual from the first temple.
So true and this will make his true church shine and be known to many people that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints is the true and living church that will gather all God's children before the Judgement Day.
When I attended Rick's College, my religion teacher taught, using source material from ancient poetry and songs, that Jeremiah left Jerusalem with his secretary and Mulek ( and probably a whole entourage of people). They sailed from Isreal to Spain. In Spain, Mulek married a Spanish princess and continues his journey. Jeremiah travels to the Britian and teaches the gospel there. ( note- the coronation always takes place upon the stone of Jeremiah, which was the large rock he stood on to teach.)
I have always had so much interest in the Mulekites. When I was on my mission (1989-1990) I spent a ton of scripture study time tracking as much information as I could on that group.
I believe that I read somewhere that Hugh Nibley translated Mulek as "Little Prince." This would make more sense, if we presume he was the youngest son, because in the ancient Jewish society, the oldest son had the birthright to be the heir apparent, or next king. However, if Mulek meant "Little King," there is another alternative to consider to build on the multi-wife theory. If Mulek was this same Malchaiah, he must have been someone important to have a dungeon, or cistern according to some of those translations posted in the video, in his name. We have a tradition that Mulek was the youngest, but I don't know where that comes from. However, If Mulek's mother was the first wife, then even if she had Mulek later than the half-brothers, the birthright would still go to him. This follows the Law of Hammurabi and is exemplified in the story of Abraham, Sarah, Hagar, Isaac, and Ishmael. What if Mulek was supposed to be the next king, so they smuggled him out to preserve the heir?
I love how you cut in at the begging of the scripture central video to tell Heartlanders to relax. It's like you could see me complaining and it cracked me up!
About a century ago a stela was found in southeast Brazil written in Phoenician (= proto-Hebrew) and deciphered by both an American and a French scholar. It mentioned the Hiram dynasty and a grpup's journey departing Sidon and around Africa (land of Ham) all the way to some shore where they offered a human sacrifice.
great work here- keep it up! just remember that if you're connecting Mulek to the Jeremiah 38:6 "son of the king" reference, then Mulek was older in Jerusalem and didn't have that dramatic flight in his mother's womb 😊😊
His mother might have carried him in utero, and then named him, or called him Mulek, to remind him of where and what he came from. He was the son of the king either way.
This channel put up a new video with David Doane on this subject. If I remember correctly there is evidence found in a town 15 miles south of Jerusalem that the kings wife fled with Baruch, who was Jeremiah’s scribe, to save the daughters and the youngest sons lives and to warn the authorities of that the Babylonians were coming. The queen had 2 daughters and a young make child with her. David Doane thinks Mulek is a title and it translates to Prince. The boy was much younger than his older brothers that stayed with King Zedekiah and were killed. The boy was called Mulek which is a title and translates into Prince.
14:01 “Heartlanders chill out for a sec…” I like all scholarship, I don’t know many that toss the baby out with the bath water on this end. The difference is we don’t ignore everything in North America including oral history, traditions, promises, religious traditions and where the plates were hid up. That’s why we enjoy this channel!
@@papacade they do not openly take a stance on either side which gives them the freedom to openly study both sides while simultaneously being apologetic to either side. They say they are openly objective and not part of the friction, so I think they believe they are taking a higher approach. The thing is, many of us have already done what they have done on our own and have a firm belief but because a side is take we inherently are considered contentious. I think they consider the channel to be an olive branch but it comes out seeming like they want to serve God without offending the devil, in my opinion.
Does anyone every thing to try and answer the question as to why the mulekites left Jeruselum for the new world? Why they were seperated from the Nephites for a few hundred years? Why they didn't keep writings that we know of and lost their language? Is it possible that because Mulek was the son of the King they wanted to keep that lingeage safe but also keep something else safe? In order for the Temple to be rebuilt in Jeruselum it needs some rituals and items. One thing that is needed is the Ark. Is it possible the Lord used Mulek and his people to deliver the Ark to the new world for safe keeping until the time is right to restore it? They could have been commanded to not keep records in order to keep it safe and not talked about. This would explain why they had a broken language when they were found by Mosiah. It seems to me that Mulek being the son of the King could have had access to the temple and had the ability to get the Ark out safely. Maybe the lost pages would have explained this? I know this is all speculation but it is an interesting thought. Jermiah prophesied that becuase of the wickedness of the people that the Ark would fade from thier memories and be lost unto them. What better way for that to happen then to send it away to another continent that nobody knew about at that time. When Jeruselum was taken over by the Babylonians there was no record that they ever found the Ark when they sacked the temple.
I've been under the impression that the Ark left with the Levites who went to Ethiopia. They have determined through DNA that the Ethiopian Jews are also Jewish - I think they have priests who have kept their genealogy, and their Y chromosomes are the Kohen haplogroup.
Djerba, Tunisia is talked about at the end this video: Quest for the Lost (10) Tribes of Israel - Documentary [Full] ua-cam.com/video/PhB16xVTlbQ/v-deo.html At the 1:18:25 mark the Cohen Priestly Tribe is featured as going to the island at about the time of the first temple destruction. It shows the people and the place. Very interesting.
Reminds me of the movie Tears of the Sun when they discovered the son of the king was with a group of refugees and protecting him while scaping from political corruption
Glad to see the growth of the channel. Your work shows and we appreciate it. Regarding MOS'. The Hebrew 2671 and 2641s are the best. Sadly no longer a thing though.
Speaking as a non-lds person and a Jew, it's an interesting theory but relies heavily on presentism. We currently regularly think of the eldest son (or eldest child in the last few decades) automatically asceding to the throne on the death of the monarch. If you're going to have a monarchy, it's a great system for stability. It's also very recent relatively speaking (roughly from about 1000ce onward, and mainly only in Europe-- the Ottomam empire had a decidedly less savory way of deciding the new monarch). It most definitely was not how the ancient monarchy of Judea functioned. It should be noticed that Shlomo haMelech was not the eldest son nor even a child of the senior wife. The process of selecting a new monarch was decidedly more messy at that point involving both the king naming a successor and the anointing. It's strongly inferred that there was a popular acclamation aspect as well. So Mulek, as the only surviving son, was not automatically the heir to the throne. It could go to any male line descendant of David of which there were lots. Which brings me to; The Babylonians were smart. While they killed off the sons of the reigning monarch they took many other male line descendants back to Babylon. Killing off the obvious rally points is one thing, but by keeping the shall we say cadet branches where they could control them they could then keep the peasantry from revolting with the first charismatic guy that comes along (which eventually happened with the Hasmoneans a few centuries later and thus chanukah is a thing). They set up an exilic court, which was eventually moved to Persia, that continued to hear legal disputes until the Mongol invasion in 1258ce. We don't have confirmed genealogies since then but it's believed most who survived stayed in Persia which had a thriving Jewish population until 1979 (when Judaism officially became illegal but immigration was tightly controlled) so it's likely that the senior descendant of Dovid haMelech on earth today was sitting in his home in Isfahan during the recent exchange. Wild when you think about it. And yes the community on Djerba is legit super cool. It's a truly fascinating place if you want to fall down a rabbit hole of more research.
Mulec as a seed of Zedekiah is a pretty interesting theory. I’m still a Mezo probably because I’m of Lipan apache decent(practicing Roman Catholic) but these various BOM theories are fascinating. Wonderful work gentlemen
I'm intrigued by the reference to Mulek as 'seed of Zedekiah'. This fits better with the in utero theory of escape. His birth mother may not have known she was pregnant and hence not visibly with child. Do you think Nebuchudnezzer's warriors would have let her live?
"Little King" seems like he might have been Zedekiah's oldest son. Might he not have been sent away before the Babylonian attack to protect the family line, or even something like the Ark of the Covenant? It will be sweet to get the rest of this story someday.
Looking forward to the 2nd part. We do know that the phoenicians made it at least as far west as Great Britain where there was a history of them trading for tin which was used to make bronze.
My grandson's other grandmother's maiden name is Elek, that goes into Hungary. Just wondering if it's possible for it to have been "M"elek at one time?
Also Pres Hinckley said, “I would that all men could believe in the destiny of America as did the early pioneers: that it is the land of Zion; that the founders of this nation were men of inspired vision; that the Constitution as written by the inspiration of heaven must be preserved at all costs. “I make a further plea that the citizens of this favored land live righteously that they might enjoy the fruits of their righteousness in this land of promise.” Let Not Your Heart Be Troubled Gordon B. Hinckley of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles Oct. 29, 1974 • Devotional And he also said, “I should like to say a few words about America…No land is without its beauty, no people without their virtues, and I hope that you who come from elsewhere will pardon my saying a few words concerning my own native land, America…surely this is a good land, a choice land, a chosen land. To me it is a miracle, a creation of the Almighty.” Gordon B. Hinckley Let Not Your Heart Be Troubled”, BYU Speeches of the Year, October 29, 1974, pp. 267-68 )
If you want to know if ancient ships could cross the Atlantic, they did. The direction the Malekites would've used would have (likely) used the Canary Current from Morocco. The Phoenicians exploited the current for fishing, so they would know full well how it would work. If I had to guess (and it's only a guess), I'd wager that's the direction they took. When the Ra II (built from Ethiopian papyrus) sailed from Morocco, it arrived in Barbados using the Canary Current. If a ship of an ancient design, made from papyrus can cross the Atlantic on a current the Phoenicians knew very well, it's very possible to have crossed using their knowledge of the seas, especially the current in the Atlantic.
@hayden please ask this to dave butler: ( I would have liked to get Dave Butler’s perspective of Jeremiah 44. Jeremiah seems to condemned the Israelite woman in Egypt for burning incense, and making bread offerings to Asherah. Am I reading that incorrectly or would Dave just say that the book of Jeremiah was altered and perhaps not trustworthy? Thanks.)
31 was not young. Jews, like many ancient cultures had rites of passage rituals to signify reaching manhood during the early teens. Women often married and bore children at similarly young ages. So, the sons of Zedikiah could have been at or nearing their age of manhood as well. As a father it's difficult to see the past without seeing it through today's eyes. But facts are facts.
I heard from Wade Brown, a scripture scholar, that the translation of the bible had an error with Zedikiah's sons name and was later corrected and changed to Malchiah after Joseph Smith had published the Book of Mormon. So Joseph Smith's translation was correct before the King James verion of the Bible was.
These types of rumors are easy to check out. All you have to do is look up Jeremiah 38:6 in the 1611 KJV Bible. Here is the text from that Bible 6Then tooke they Ieremiah, and cast him into the dungeon of Malchiah the sonne of Hammelech that was in the court of the prison: and they let downe Ieremiah with cords: and in the dungeon there was no water, but mire: so Ieremiah sunke in the mire.
i'd just like to point out that a rotting egyptian reed boat was able to get half way across the atlantic before having to be abandoned. something a bit sturdier like something that the phoenicians make would have gotten a lot further.
Is this the same island that the Naked Architecture showcased in his video about the Lost Ten Tribes that has the Jewish Priests that live on this island?
I have a great idea: Suggest to the 1st Presidency that they request Elohim to have the 3 Nephites drop by church headquarters. Russell M. Nelson can have them point out the location of Zarahemla & other Nephite cities on the map. He can also have them each take a DNA test so we can better identify Nephite & Lamanite DNA, so we can be sure to fulfill the purpose of the BofM.
There is so much amazing plausible evidence that Mulek landed in North America as the Lord also led the Lehites to North America, and the Jaredites to North America, which as Pres Monson said, " “The Lord gave a divine promise to the ancient inhabitants of this favored country (the United States): ‘Behold, this is a choice land, and whatsoever nation shall possess it shall be free from bondage, and from captivity, and from all other nations under heaven, if they will but serve the God of the land, who is Jesus Christ” (Ether 2:12). “Our Heavenly Father inspired the leaders of…the United States of America, that they might together, under His direction, having been raised up by God for the purpose, establish the Constitution of this country and…Bill of Rights, that by the year of our Lord 1805 [there would be] a climate where our Heavenly Father could send into this period of mortality a choice spirit who would be known as Joseph Smith, Jr.” Teachings of Thomas S. Monson by Thomas S. Monson 2011 (Ordained an Apostle, 1963; ordained President of the Church, 2008)
Melek would mean king. Hugh Nibley, who was a great scriptorian and scholar, made the suggestion that MULEK derived from the Arabic diminutive mulik, “little king.”
Interesting video. According to David Doane, Mulek's entourage including his mother and 2 sisters, Jeremiah and Baruch (Jeremiah’s scribe went to Egypt and eventually to Ireland where Jerimiah is buried. The tribes of Dan and Asher occupied land along the Mediterranean coast. They were probably part or all of King Solomon's navy. The Phoenicians occupied the same area as Dan and Asher (Canaanites also in same area that might have survived). Maybe the names of the people were sometimes used interchangeably. At the very least, I believe the Phoenician ship that transported Mulek to ancient America across the Atlantic via the St. Lawrence Seaway was manned by a Dan/Asher crew. I don't believe Mulek's entourage would trust Phoenician sailors who worshipped Baal. Ok, my blood pressure is finally back to normal after seeing the Chichen Itza structure twice in the BOMC video. We need to distance ourselves from the Mesoamerican model. It makes zero sense when compared to the heartland model. Finally, the Journal of John Morris King (in the church history Library and in FamilySearch) in 1839 proves that Coriantumr lived with the Mulekites for 9 moons and they buried him along the Little Miami River in Ohio! I'm guessing the Mulekites found Coriantumr near Lake Ontario at their First Landing. There were language problems between the People of Zarahemla (Mulekites) and Coriantumr. However, I believe Coriantumr directed the Mulekites to settle near the Des Moines Rapids by the river Sidon before he died. Coriantumr also engraved a large stone that was taken to Mosiah the First who translated it with the Urim and Thummim that Coriantumr had in his possession when he died. We also learn from the diary of Elizabeth Baum (1844), that Jaredites had been buried near Nauvoo. Stop looking in Mesoamerica.
The prevalent DNA haplogroup in Northern Africa is E-M35 which happens to be the second most prevalent among modern Jews. It is also the haplogroup of such celebrities as Albert Einstein, Brothers Wright, Adolf Hitler and Lyndon Johnson. And my dad 😊. Now, E-M35 has traditionally been considered Northern African or Berber (Amazigh), however, new studies suggest its origin to be ancient Israel.
@The Stick of Joseph Can you do a video on May 1st about the difference between God's grace and our works, and how we are saved in the Latter Day theology? Latter Day Watch posted a video asking every LDS content creator to do this on May 1st this year
Malchiah, son of Hammelech, does not equate to Mulek. Malchiah is mentioned in Jeremiah 38:6. Hmm... I wonder if that source was ever available to Smith.😮 This is ridiculous.
@rconger24 Correct... Joseph Smith had access to the Adam Clarke Bible commentary, which gives the meaning of Malchiah of Hammelech as stated in Jeremiah. These guys are disingenuous by not giving that info. They are trying to play this off as some new discovery.
@@MemyzelphandI Sorry. It's difficult to text out sarcasm. That's a disadvantage of this kind of media. There obviously is some evidence supporting The Book of Mormon and we are all seeing it right here.
@@MemyzelphandII'll make you a deal, you can believe your Bible commentary and I'll believe what these guys are showing here in the video at 15:33. We agree to differ alright?
How likely is there to be a prison and a seal made for very young or perhaps an in vitro prince? And why would they call him little king and name a prison after him when he had older brothers that were still alive at the time and much more likely to be the heir?
Hagoth built boats and after a time of piece, they sailed north off into the Great Lakes and became the Mi’Kmaq. They kept thousands of scrolls and showed them to Jesuit priests. The priests were afraid they had “another bible,” and went about destroying the scrolls.
Pregnant Queen….or wife…. It is possible that she would have heard the the righteous Priest. Testimony calling for repentance And taken steps… to leave…. We do not have that account but perhaps there is something in the archeological history to help
It dose seem like a little known fact that the Carthagenians were semetic people. The punic wars were between the culture descendants of the Greeks and Isrealis
It’s so disrespectful it’s infuriating. I think Mormon doctrine has done enough damage to Native Americans…these guys just lie and invent bullshit to satisfy their religious brainwashing. If you have to deceive people, maybe question your “faith”?
Cultural appropriation is a scam. It’s called cultural appreciation and every person of culture outside mine has always asserted love for people dressing in their heritage’s cultural dress. Every single one. Go outside and touch grass.
that is not evidence, the BoM is a clear work of fiction and of course not 'ancient'. Conman JS had access to Hebrew names so he used them. What you're doing is conjecture at best, deliberately lying at worst. If I were to write a book imitating scripture, I’d get a book with scripture proper names as my first reference.... A Key to the Classical Pronunciation of Greek, Latin, and Scripture Proper Names by John Walker “This work was reprinted in many editions and abridgements, one of which was advertised in the Palmyra (New York) Herald on September 24, 1823, and another suggested for inclusion in the curriculum for Colesville, New York schools in 1826 (in Joseph Smith’s neighborhood).” For you to get a taste of the list, the “A” section looks like this: A-bin´ a-dab (cf. Abinadi) A-bin´ o-am (cf. Abinadom) A-bish´ a-i (cf. Abish) A ´ chish (cf. Akish) Æ´ nos (cf. Enos) A´ HAZ Al´ mon Dib-la-tha´ im [and,] Al´ na-than, Al´ pha, A´ mal, A-mal´ da (cf. Alma) Am´ a-lek (cf. Amaleki) AM´ A-LEK-ITES A-MIN´ A-DAB AM´ MON AM´ MON-ITES Am´ non (cf. Amnor) Am´ o-rites (cf. Amoron) An-a-ni´ ah (cf. Ammonihah) An´ ti-och (cf. Antion) An-ti´ o-chus (cf. Antionum) AN´ TI-PAS An to´ ni-a (cf. Antionah) Ar-che-la´ us (cf. Archeantus) So again, having a similar name doesn't mean anything. JS was a known con man so just used some names he got from a book and you guys are excited one of the hundreds of names kinda sorta lines up to the innumerable stories in history... this isn't evidence.
About 15 years ago I was working for a U.S. Senator and was able to travel to Tunisia with him and several other Senators. Along the way we visited a literal rug merchant. On several of the rugs I noticed the beehive symbol that is so common in Utah. I asked the shop owner (who spoke English) about it and he said that in Middle Eastern culture, bees are extremely prized for the honey they provide and somewhat reversed, hence the inclusion in the rug's design. I smiled internally... How would Joseph Smith known that??? Anyway... cool to see your post tonight. Keep up the good work!
Also the idea of a pregnant queen being smuggled out with the handmaids or servants is not an unprecedented escape story
Very true!
And, whether that’s what happened to Mulek or not, it’s fantastically and satisfyingly dramatic. :)
Some years ago, I had a conversation with a coworker who was of Middle Eastern ancestry. I asked him about the meaning of Mulek. His answer was a 'young one who owns'. I then asked him if it meant little prince. He said yes. I think the correct definition is 'prince', which would acknowledge his true relationship with Zedekiah.
wouldn't little king and prince be synonyms?
Yes, מלך a Hebrew word without any vowels, alllowing for different pronunciations.
Now interestingly, in Brazil, mulek is a word brought into the Brazilian vocabulary by African slaves, meaning boy.
Anyone watched 'New Zealand; skeletons in the cupboard?'??? Because our part of the world has interesting stories and evidence for long distance voyages from the old world too.
I served with maori and kiwi missionaries in Australia. I love the Hagoth legends! I have also done some research on the pigmy/persia connection
Ahhh cliff hanger 😭 I just found your channel a couple weeks ago and have binged every day haha love the content, love the Book of Mormon, love Jesus!
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The Book of Mormon had no evidence. They guys are always grasping for any little thing. Where are these massive civilizations that they made ? Why do you have Jews preaching and baptizing in the name of Christ before he even came? It’s a false book. The man who wrote it he was a polygamist and even falsely “translated” the Book of Abraham.
Mulek’s descendants included Hagoth who sailed into the pacific… and became Hawai’iloa, Maui’s dad. Tonga’s royalty exists as a safeguard to keep God’s promise to Judah that Judah’s descendants would rule until Jesus returns-if Tamar Tephi’s royal descendants in Europe go extinct
It is 100% impossible for Tea Tephi (her real name…not Tamar) to run out of descendants. If you have even a drop of Irish blood, then you have ancestors who could trace back to Tea Tephi, if she even existed at all. The Irish royal pedigrees may have had medieval embellishments.
@@jamessatterlee the question isn’t whether or not she runs out of descendants; the question is whether or not her descendants maintain the ruler ship
His descendants include Google Goth, Gegagon, Macklezork, Fenfen and Double Duck.
@@neue01 Double Duck’s descendant Double Jump has become well-known to this day. To this day
What about Daffy Duck. Certainly he's royalty.
So cool to hear about this. I worked in Tunisia and I have visited the old port of the Phoenician in Cartage. I also spent some time in Djerba. I is connected to the main land by a Causeway built by the Romans they call it Le Chasseaux Romaine. It doesn’t look like they ever paved it or made any improvement to it. It is still the only vehicle access to the island and is heavily traveled.
Been to Tunisia and Carthage. Yes!!!! So many things there just showed me that the Church had been established there at some point. The baptismal fonts! The sarcophagus in the Carthage museum with the life sized people carved on top wearing robes and having their hands and arms in positions that were very familiar. I asked the museum worker what the position meant he replied that it was to show an empty hand. (after that I didn’t ask anymore questions because I knew more than he did). They tried to convince me that the baptismal fonts were just part of old bath houses. Even today their bath houses don’t have oval pools with steps on each side. (Not big enough to swim in but certainly a size of a baptismal font)
Been to Jerba as well!!! I found it very interesting that the majority of the island is Jewish and they are famous for their silver and gold work. (I believe that only priest in the ancient times had the knowledge of metal work) didn’t the people fleeing Egypt convince Aaron to build a golden calf? Why didn’t they build it themselves?….. because Aaron was one who carried the knowledge of metallurgy…….. just like Nephi. I guess I should watch your whole show before writing this! Lol oh was they knew how to sail and what and amazing port they had! Far better than what is there today!
The art of metallurgy had significantly expanded by the time Djerba was founded. With the exodus we're in the bronze age collapse. Most everyday tools were still stone and it was usually just certain families that knew the art (a pattern we see repeated in other bronze age societies). So it's likely Aaron and Moshe came from a family of metalsmiths and were selected to be priests. By the time of the Babylonian captivity we have fully transitioned into the iron age and metal working was much more common. But the kohanim (priests) in the community on Djerba are fascinating in their own right. They still follow the ritual purity rules from the first temple period. They only marry jews from djerba to keep the lines pure, and they never leave the island so as not to inadvertently walk on a grave. They don't even talk much to other kohanim from elsewhere, but it is theorized that still know all the ritual from the first temple.
We are told God is yet to reveal more mysteries and Jesus is going to perform many miracles in these last days
So true and this will make his true church shine and be known to many people that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints is the true and living church that will gather all God's children before the Judgement Day.
When I attended Rick's College, my religion teacher taught, using source material from ancient poetry and songs, that Jeremiah left Jerusalem with his secretary and Mulek ( and probably a whole entourage of people). They sailed from Isreal to Spain. In Spain, Mulek married a Spanish princess and continues his journey. Jeremiah travels to the Britian and teaches the gospel there. ( note- the coronation always takes place upon the stone of Jeremiah, which was the large rock he stood on to teach.)
As someone who leans more towards the heartland. I enjoy viewing all sides.
I have always had so much interest in the Mulekites. When I was on my mission (1989-1990) I spent a ton of scripture study time tracking as much information as I could on that group.
What did you find out?
I believe that I read somewhere that Hugh Nibley translated Mulek as "Little Prince." This would make more sense, if we presume he was the youngest son, because in the ancient Jewish society, the oldest son had the birthright to be the heir apparent, or next king. However, if Mulek meant "Little King," there is another alternative to consider to build on the multi-wife theory. If Mulek was this same Malchaiah, he must have been someone important to have a dungeon, or cistern according to some of those translations posted in the video, in his name. We have a tradition that Mulek was the youngest, but I don't know where that comes from. However, If Mulek's mother was the first wife, then even if she had Mulek later than the half-brothers, the birthright would still go to him. This follows the Law of Hammurabi and is exemplified in the story of Abraham, Sarah, Hagar, Isaac, and Ishmael. What if Mulek was supposed to be the next king, so they smuggled him out to preserve the heir?
I met you guys at the BOM Expo. You guys do such a great job! Keep it up! Hayden's presentation was excellent!
Can't wait for part 2!!
You guys got my interest and made this inti a part 1? Monsters
I love how you cut in at the begging of the scripture central video to tell Heartlanders to relax. It's like you could see me complaining and it cracked me up!
There also seems to be a connection between Hagoth and Goths and Osteogoths that defeated Rome. Also Nephites in early Europe.
About a century ago a stela was found in southeast Brazil written in Phoenician (= proto-Hebrew) and deciphered by both an American and a French scholar. It mentioned the Hiram dynasty and a grpup's journey departing Sidon and around Africa (land of Ham) all the way to some shore where they offered a human sacrifice.
What a fun journey you took is on. Love what you guys are doing.
great work here- keep it up! just remember that if you're connecting Mulek to the Jeremiah 38:6 "son of the king" reference, then Mulek was older in Jerusalem and didn't have that dramatic flight in his mother's womb 😊😊
His mother might have carried him in utero, and then named him, or called him Mulek, to remind him of where and what he came from. He was the son of the king either way.
This channel put up a new video with David Doane on this subject. If I remember correctly there is evidence found in a town 15 miles south of Jerusalem that the kings wife fled with Baruch, who was Jeremiah’s scribe, to save the daughters and the youngest sons lives and to warn the authorities of that the Babylonians were coming. The queen had 2 daughters and a young make child with her. David Doane thinks Mulek is a title and it translates to Prince. The boy was much younger than his older brothers that stayed with King Zedekiah and were killed. The boy was called Mulek which is a title and translates into Prince.
14:01 “Heartlanders chill out for a sec…” I like all scholarship, I don’t know many that toss the baby out with the bath water on this end. The difference is we don’t ignore everything in North America including oral history, traditions, promises, religious traditions and where the plates were hid up. That’s why we enjoy this channel!
Does this channel have disdain for heartlanders?
@@papacade they do not openly take a stance on either side which gives them the freedom to openly study both sides while simultaneously being apologetic to either side. They say they are openly objective and not part of the friction, so I think they believe they are taking a higher approach. The thing is, many of us have already done what they have done on our own and have a firm belief but because a side is take we inherently are considered contentious. I think they consider the channel to be an olive branch but it comes out seeming like they want to serve God without offending the devil, in my opinion.
Does anyone every thing to try and answer the question as to why the mulekites left Jeruselum for the new world? Why they were seperated from the Nephites for a few hundred years? Why they didn't keep writings that we know of and lost their language? Is it possible that because Mulek was the son of the King they wanted to keep that lingeage safe but also keep something else safe? In order for the Temple to be rebuilt in Jeruselum it needs some rituals and items. One thing that is needed is the Ark. Is it possible the Lord used Mulek and his people to deliver the Ark to the new world for safe keeping until the time is right to restore it? They could have been commanded to not keep records in order to keep it safe and not talked about. This would explain why they had a broken language when they were found by Mosiah. It seems to me that Mulek being the son of the King could have had access to the temple and had the ability to get the Ark out safely. Maybe the lost pages would have explained this? I know this is all speculation but it is an interesting thought. Jermiah prophesied that becuase of the wickedness of the people that the Ark would fade from thier memories and be lost unto them. What better way for that to happen then to send it away to another continent that nobody knew about at that time. When Jeruselum was taken over by the Babylonians there was no record that they ever found the Ark when they sacked the temple.
Interesting theory. You might want to research a guy named Ron Wyatt and his connection to the Ark. There's plenty of UA-cam videos about him.
No virtually argrees that the ark disappeared before the Babylonian captivity
I've been under the impression that the Ark left with the Levites who went to Ethiopia. They have determined through DNA that the Ethiopian Jews are also Jewish - I think they have priests who have kept their genealogy, and their Y chromosomes are the Kohen haplogroup.
Very interesting!
FYI: the name mulekites never appears in the Book of Mormon. We call them that, but we created that term.
Highlight was your wife singing, How Great Thou Art! You message was amazing as well!
So funny you totally knew I was freeking out ! Oh my word . Haha . Mesoamericana. Haha
Good catch on Helaman 8:21! "....all EXCEPT it were Mulek".
Djerba, Tunisia is talked about at the end this video:
Quest for the Lost (10) Tribes of Israel - Documentary [Full]
ua-cam.com/video/PhB16xVTlbQ/v-deo.html
At the 1:18:25 mark the Cohen Priestly Tribe is featured as going to the island at about the time of the first temple destruction. It shows the people and the place. Very interesting.
Thank you, I will check it out!
The Cherokee have an oral tradition that their ancestors escaped (their word) from a place across the ocean called Masada. Thats on the Dead Sea.
Wow,that's 600 years later than Lehi's and about 570 yrs after Mulek
Reminds me of the movie Tears of the Sun when they discovered the son of the king was with a group of refugees and protecting him while scaping from political corruption
Glad to see the growth of the channel. Your work shows and we appreciate it. Regarding MOS'. The Hebrew 2671 and 2641s are the best. Sadly no longer a thing though.
Any updates on if more will be coming out from this trip?
Speaking as a non-lds person and a Jew, it's an interesting theory but relies heavily on presentism. We currently regularly think of the eldest son (or eldest child in the last few decades) automatically asceding to the throne on the death of the monarch. If you're going to have a monarchy, it's a great system for stability. It's also very recent relatively speaking (roughly from about 1000ce onward, and mainly only in Europe-- the Ottomam empire had a decidedly less savory way of deciding the new monarch). It most definitely was not how the ancient monarchy of Judea functioned. It should be noticed that Shlomo haMelech was not the eldest son nor even a child of the senior wife. The process of selecting a new monarch was decidedly more messy at that point involving both the king naming a successor and the anointing. It's strongly inferred that there was a popular acclamation aspect as well. So Mulek, as the only surviving son, was not automatically the heir to the throne. It could go to any male line descendant of David of which there were lots. Which brings me to;
The Babylonians were smart. While they killed off the sons of the reigning monarch they took many other male line descendants back to Babylon. Killing off the obvious rally points is one thing, but by keeping the shall we say cadet branches where they could control them they could then keep the peasantry from revolting with the first charismatic guy that comes along (which eventually happened with the Hasmoneans a few centuries later and thus chanukah is a thing). They set up an exilic court, which was eventually moved to Persia, that continued to hear legal disputes until the Mongol invasion in 1258ce. We don't have confirmed genealogies since then but it's believed most who survived stayed in Persia which had a thriving Jewish population until 1979 (when Judaism officially became illegal but immigration was tightly controlled) so it's likely that the senior descendant of Dovid haMelech on earth today was sitting in his home in Isfahan during the recent exchange. Wild when you think about it.
And yes the community on Djerba is legit super cool. It's a truly fascinating place if you want to fall down a rabbit hole of more research.
Thanks for sharing! We have another interview coming up that presents a whole different theory dealing with the Lachish pottery shards. Cool stuff
Problem is, they’re using the Bulla seal of ISHMAEL as “evidence” which predates the birth of Zedekiah and all of his sons.
Mulec as a seed of Zedekiah is a pretty interesting theory. I’m still a Mezo probably because I’m of Lipan apache decent(practicing Roman Catholic) but these various BOM theories are fascinating.
Wonderful work gentlemen
I'm intrigued by the reference to Mulek as 'seed of Zedekiah'. This fits better with the in utero theory of escape. His birth mother may not have known she was pregnant and hence not visibly with child. Do you think Nebuchudnezzer's warriors would have let her live?
Awesome! Part 2!
"Little King" seems like he might have been Zedekiah's oldest son. Might he not have been sent away before the Babylonian attack to protect the family line, or even something like the Ark of the Covenant?
It will be sweet to get the rest of this story someday.
Was there a second video
LOve it! Waiting with baited breath!
Great podcast. Question...why did Nebuchadnezzar not kill Zedekiah as well as his sons?
116 Pages book by Don Bradley indicates that Mulek did not leave while he is in his mother’s womb, but he left Jerusalem with others.
Looking forward to the 2nd part. We do know that the phoenicians made it at least as far west as Great Britain where there was a history of them trading for tin which was used to make bronze.
Wow! Cool stuff!
Lovin’ that beadwork leather Rod !!! I love you all so much !!!! ❤❤❤❤
I LOVE THESE TWO GUYS! THEY ARE SO COOL! ❤❤❤😊
Always great content, thank you 👏🙏
BOYD!!!!! Yay!!!! Yallah from Shelley RBA
Is there more coming out on this?
Awesome job!
Seems like Mulek would have had to been born if he had a house called after him at a certain location, and I thought they named the child after birth.
My grandson's other grandmother's maiden name is Elek, that goes into Hungary.
Just wondering if it's possible for it to have been "M"elek at one time?
Also Pres Hinckley said, “I would that all men could believe in the destiny of America as did the early pioneers: that it is the land of Zion; that the founders of this nation were men of inspired vision; that the Constitution as written by the inspiration of heaven must be preserved at all costs. “I make a further plea that the citizens of this favored land live righteously that they might enjoy the fruits of their righteousness in this land of promise.” Let Not Your Heart Be Troubled Gordon B. Hinckley of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles Oct. 29, 1974 • Devotional And he also said, “I should like to say a few words about America…No land is without its beauty, no people without their virtues, and I hope that you who come from elsewhere will pardon my saying a few words concerning my own native land, America…surely this is a good land, a choice land, a chosen land. To me it is a miracle, a creation of the Almighty.” Gordon B. Hinckley Let Not Your Heart Be Troubled”, BYU Speeches of the Year, October 29, 1974, pp. 267-68 )
Fascinating!!!❤
If you want to know if ancient ships could cross the Atlantic, they did. The direction the Malekites would've used would have (likely) used the Canary Current from Morocco. The Phoenicians exploited the current for fishing, so they would know full well how it would work. If I had to guess (and it's only a guess), I'd wager that's the direction they took. When the Ra II (built from Ethiopian papyrus) sailed from Morocco, it arrived in Barbados using the Canary Current. If a ship of an ancient design, made from papyrus can cross the Atlantic on a current the Phoenicians knew very well, it's very possible to have crossed using their knowledge of the seas, especially the current in the Atlantic.
Just love you boys. Yes… I’m old enough to call you “boys.”
Don't forget Don Bradley's theory that it's not Mulek but Moloch, and that he was intended to be a sacrifice.
Actually, although Don Bradley agrees, it is Royal Skousen who is the proponent of Moloch, based on his Original Text project.
@hayden please ask this to dave butler: ( I would have liked to get Dave Butler’s perspective of Jeremiah 44. Jeremiah seems to condemned the Israelite woman in Egypt for burning incense, and making bread offerings to Asherah. Am I reading that incorrectly or would Dave just say that the book of Jeremiah was altered and perhaps not trustworthy? Thanks.)
What if zedekiah had a favorite wife and hedged his bets and sent her off before the sacking
Very compelling.
I traveled to the UK and found an actual phone booth! Dr Who is REAL!!!!
You’re in DC!!! You should do a fireside!!!!!
As a "heartlander", I can listen to other opinions and ideas without being reminded to "chill out".
31 was not young. Jews, like many ancient cultures had rites of passage rituals to signify reaching manhood during the early teens. Women often married and bore children at similarly young ages. So, the sons of Zedikiah could have been at or nearing their age of manhood as well. As a father it's difficult to see the past without seeing it through today's eyes. But facts are facts.
I heard from Wade Brown, a scripture scholar, that the translation of the bible had an error with Zedikiah's sons name and was later corrected and changed to Malchiah after Joseph Smith had published the Book of Mormon. So Joseph Smith's translation was correct before the King James verion of the Bible was.
These types of rumors are easy to check out. All you have to do is look up Jeremiah 38:6 in the 1611 KJV Bible. Here is the text from that Bible 6Then tooke they Ieremiah, and cast him into the dungeon of Malchiah the sonne of Hammelech that was in the court of the prison: and they let downe Ieremiah with cords: and in the dungeon there was no water, but mire: so Ieremiah sunke in the mire.
So, now you can stop with that nonsense.
Rod's fit is amazing here
i'd just like to point out that a rotting egyptian reed boat was able to get half way across the atlantic before having to be abandoned. something a bit sturdier like something that the phoenicians make would have gotten a lot further.
Wonderful!
Is this the same island that the Naked Architecture showcased in his video about the Lost Ten Tribes that has the Jewish Priests that live on this island?
So much love to the people of Tunisia! ❤
Galatians 1:8
Ephesians 2:8-9
2 John 1:10
2 Corinthians 11:14-15
1 Timothy 4:1
Titus 3:5
baloney
@@geoffreypalmer2661 What’s baloney? Mormonism? I agree
@@dallen9403 yup
So cool!
I have a great idea: Suggest to the 1st Presidency that they request Elohim to have the 3 Nephites drop by church headquarters. Russell M. Nelson can have them point out the location of Zarahemla & other Nephite cities on the map. He can also have them each take a DNA test so we can better identify Nephite & Lamanite DNA, so we can be sure to fulfill the purpose of the BofM.
There is so much amazing plausible evidence that Mulek landed in North America as the Lord also led the Lehites to North America, and the Jaredites to North America, which as Pres Monson said, " “The Lord gave a divine promise to the ancient inhabitants of this favored country (the United States): ‘Behold, this is a choice land, and whatsoever nation shall possess it shall be free from bondage, and from captivity, and from all other nations under heaven, if they will but serve the God of the land, who is Jesus Christ” (Ether 2:12).
“Our Heavenly Father inspired the leaders of…the United States of America, that they might together, under His direction, having been raised up by God for the purpose, establish the Constitution of this country and…Bill of Rights, that by the year of our Lord 1805 [there would be] a climate where our Heavenly Father could send into this period of mortality a choice spirit who would be known as Joseph Smith, Jr.” Teachings of Thomas S. Monson by Thomas S. Monson 2011 (Ordained an Apostle, 1963; ordained President of the Church, 2008)
You guys have to get David Boyce on! he's a new convert from the UA-cam Channel 52 Churches in 52 Weeks.
Yeah Rod!!!!!
I’m pretty sure Mulek מלך (MLK) does not mean little King but simply “King”. While “little king” would be מלך קטן (MLK QTN) or “Melek Qatan”
Ding, ding, ding, you are correct. These jokers twist facts and create lies to make the smallest of evidence for their fictional books.
Melek would mean king. Hugh Nibley, who was a great scriptorian and scholar, made the suggestion that MULEK derived from the Arabic diminutive mulik, “little king.”
Interesting video. According to David Doane, Mulek's entourage including his mother and 2 sisters, Jeremiah and Baruch (Jeremiah’s scribe went to Egypt and eventually to Ireland where Jerimiah is buried. The tribes of Dan and Asher occupied land along the Mediterranean coast. They were probably part or all of King Solomon's navy. The Phoenicians occupied the same area as Dan and Asher (Canaanites also in same area that might have survived). Maybe the names of the people were sometimes used interchangeably. At the very least, I believe the Phoenician ship that transported Mulek to ancient America across the Atlantic via the St. Lawrence Seaway was manned by a Dan/Asher crew. I don't believe Mulek's entourage would trust Phoenician sailors who worshipped Baal.
Ok, my blood pressure is finally back to normal after seeing the Chichen Itza structure twice in the BOMC video. We need to distance ourselves from the Mesoamerican model. It makes zero sense when compared to the heartland model.
Finally, the Journal of John Morris King (in the church history Library and in FamilySearch) in 1839 proves that Coriantumr lived with the Mulekites for 9 moons and they buried him along the Little Miami River in Ohio! I'm guessing the Mulekites found Coriantumr near Lake Ontario at their First Landing. There were language problems between the People of Zarahemla (Mulekites) and Coriantumr. However, I believe Coriantumr directed the Mulekites to settle near the Des Moines Rapids by the river Sidon before he died. Coriantumr also engraved a large stone that was taken to Mosiah the First who translated it with the Urim and Thummim that Coriantumr had in his possession when he died.
We also learn from the diary of Elizabeth Baum (1844), that Jaredites had been buried near Nauvoo. Stop looking in Mesoamerica.
In the early 600's the Muslims found many Jews in Northern Africa. They met fierce opposition to their conquest by a Jewish queen named Kahina.
The prevalent DNA haplogroup in Northern Africa is E-M35 which happens to be the second most prevalent among modern Jews. It is also the haplogroup of such celebrities as Albert Einstein, Brothers Wright, Adolf Hitler and Lyndon Johnson. And my dad 😊.
Now, E-M35 has traditionally been considered Northern African or Berber (Amazigh), however, new studies suggest its origin to be ancient Israel.
@The Stick of Joseph
Can you do a video on May 1st about the difference between God's grace and our works, and how we are saved in the Latter Day theology?
Latter Day Watch posted a video asking every LDS content creator to do this on May 1st this year
Malchiah, son of Hammelech, does not equate to Mulek. Malchiah is mentioned in Jeremiah 38:6. Hmm... I wonder if that source was ever available to Smith.😮 This is ridiculous.
15:33 "...but there's not a shred of evidence supporting The Book of Mormon."
(Mythbusters)
@rconger24 Correct... Joseph Smith had access to the Adam Clarke Bible commentary, which gives the meaning of Malchiah of Hammelech as stated in Jeremiah. These guys are disingenuous by not giving that info. They are trying to play this off as some new discovery.
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Sorry.
It's difficult to text out sarcasm. That's a disadvantage of this kind of media.
There obviously is some evidence supporting The Book of Mormon and we are all seeing it right here.
@rconger24 I just showed you that this is not evidence.
@@MemyzelphandII'll make you a deal, you can believe your Bible commentary and I'll believe what these guys are showing here in the video at 15:33. We agree to differ alright?
How likely is there to be a prison and a seal made for very young or perhaps an in vitro prince? And why would they call him little king and name a prison after him when he had older brothers that were still alive at the time and much more likely to be the heir?
Check out the lead books found in arabia detailing christianity older than the bible.
Hagoth built boats and after a time of piece, they sailed north off into the Great Lakes and became the Mi’Kmaq. They kept thousands of scrolls and showed them to Jesuit priests. The priests were afraid they had “another bible,” and went about destroying the scrolls.
I was a Meso dude then went to Heartland then came back to Meso. Unless there's more compelling evidence for Heartland, I'll stay Meso for a while.
All Americas
Pregnant Queen….or wife….
It is possible that she would have heard the the righteous Priest. Testimony calling for repentance
And taken steps… to leave….
We do not have that account but perhaps there is something in the archeological history to help
Truth matters!
It dose seem like a little known fact that the Carthagenians were semetic people. The punic wars were between the culture descendants of the Greeks and Isrealis
Wrong it was between the Romans and Carthage who were actually Phoenicians
It’s always fun watching adults make stuff up
like joseph smith
I hope you guys cover Lars Nielson and his book about Ethan smith writing the book of Mormon. It’s fascinating
Better question is where is Nephi, Manti, Zarahemla, Sidon, Jershon…
Why are so many Saints leaving the Church due to not believing the doctrines that they once had Testimonies of?
Rod has no shame. Appropriating native culture in pet theories, and his dress. Keep cashing those checks, Rod.
It’s so disrespectful it’s infuriating. I think Mormon doctrine has done enough damage to Native Americans…these guys just lie and invent bullshit to satisfy their religious brainwashing. If you have to deceive people, maybe question your “faith”?
Cultural appropriation is a scam. It’s called cultural appreciation and every person of culture outside mine has always asserted love for people dressing in their heritage’s cultural dress. Every single one. Go outside and touch grass.
@@amynazza You need to stop smoking grass. Appropriation is very real and destructive to authentic history and culture.
Lots of Star Wars filmed in Tunisia.
Did you guys find any more gold plates lately?
Mulek is apparently not a name, but a title, meaning little prince.
Could Mulek have taken the Ark of the Covenant with him to the americas??
😂 But the island looks a small USA❤
I agree with the hebrew. ❤
that is not evidence, the BoM is a clear work of fiction and of course not 'ancient'. Conman JS had access to Hebrew names so he used them. What you're doing is conjecture at best, deliberately lying at worst.
If I were to write a book imitating scripture, I’d get a book with scripture proper names as my first reference....
A Key to the Classical Pronunciation of Greek, Latin, and Scripture Proper Names by John Walker
“This work was reprinted in many editions and abridgements, one of which was advertised in the Palmyra (New York) Herald on September 24, 1823, and another suggested for inclusion in the curriculum for Colesville, New York schools in 1826 (in Joseph Smith’s neighborhood).”
For you to get a taste of the list, the “A” section looks like this:
A-bin´ a-dab (cf. Abinadi)
A-bin´ o-am (cf. Abinadom)
A-bish´ a-i (cf. Abish)
A ´ chish (cf. Akish)
Æ´ nos (cf. Enos)
A´ HAZ Al´ mon Dib-la-tha´ im [and,]
Al´ na-than,
Al´ pha,
A´ mal,
A-mal´ da (cf. Alma)
Am´ a-lek (cf. Amaleki)
AM´ A-LEK-ITES
A-MIN´
A-DAB
AM´ MON
AM´ MON-ITES
Am´ non (cf. Amnor)
Am´ o-rites (cf. Amoron)
An-a-ni´ ah (cf. Ammonihah)
An´ ti-och (cf. Antion)
An-ti´ o-chus (cf. Antionum)
AN´ TI-PAS
An to´ ni-a (cf. Antionah)
Ar-che-la´ us (cf. Archeantus)
So again, having a similar name doesn't mean anything. JS was a known con man so just used some names he got from a book and you guys are excited one of the hundreds of names kinda sorta lines up to the innumerable stories in history... this isn't evidence.
amen to that bro is bs