@@Methbilly saying trans athletes should have their own categories isn't a bigoted opinion. its a common opinion the vast majority of people share. internet leftists don't decide majority opinions in the real world since they are a vocal minority.
@@TheyCalllMeVincenzo you decide if you think its bigoted then. I agree with the majority in saying they aren't. there's nothing wrong with you disagreeing though. Its a much more empathetic response to say they are. it isn't a black and white debate anyway, its a discussion solely based on opinion.
The trans argument is basically "Just because you have a biological advantage doesn't mean you are guaranteed to win" which is true but the whole problem is that there is the advantage in the first place. No one said that you are guaranteed to win just because you have an advantage but it does make it easier.
@@Leccci No shit. But we are talking about groupings here. A trans male who transitioned after puberty will still have higher bone density, larger lung capacity, height. It isn't about genetics or hormones here, because obviously top athletes have good genetics as well as good training.
@@Leccci Do you just want to become a victim to demand changes that are unfair? You say inclusivity, but then proceed to make it a bigger divisive issue between trans atheletes and common sense people that know the facts said in my previous comment.
@@Leccci There are hereditary advantages, that’s what differentiates the top athlete’s who all put in the same amount of effort.. but gender is entirely different from that and can’t be compared
@@Leccci Those "hereditary characteristics" are the baseline for professional athletes. And the sex of a person is not hereditary, you don't inherit your genitals (in most cases) like you do your eye colour or bone density.
Literally it's an undeniable fact, muscle mass, lung capacity, heart size, reaction time, muscle memory, and a lot more to name. You just can't disprove these attributes a person can have that makes them naturally stronger. People keep saying that research this research that about HRT to justify their narrative, but it doesn't affect all of the factors that can contribute to one's athletic ability.
Well, I enjoyed my stay, boys. It was a truly remarkable career for him as a streamer. Get that fundraiser page up so we could get him some shelter and food, can't give up on him like this.
hes not gonna get canceled over this, he just doesn't understand half the shit hes talking about, which is normal for xqc, this has happened so many times
@@somenerdpngFirst of all, this is just a joke, and second, his points were pretty good, so I wouldn't be surprised if he does get canceled. Saying a man without testosterone is on the physical level of women is like saying if we shoot up a woman with testosterone she's gonna be able to compete with men, which is impossible. And if you disagree, you might wanna stop by BrainsRUs.
its funny cuz it thought you guys had freedom of speech in america, but its also the country that cancels people the most. yall are a comedy show for us i swear. yeah go ahead "eu lost to rats" damn man u got me..
@@ducksauce9187 If u think US is the country that cancel the most, you should check North Korea or China, those r good examples of the definition of cancel 😂
I appreciate the fact the the MTF trans peoples excuse is “I still lose”. We never said you were good, we just said you have a natural advantage, just cuz you suck doesn’t mean you don’t have that advantage.
People who are taller have a natural advantage in basketball, should we exclude them from the sport? At the upper echelon of these competitions (like, WAY beyond collegiate level), difference in hormonal balance and whatnot DO actually provide what might be considered an unfair advantage. However, if you know anything about this topic, in any competition where where a trans person's hormone levels, etc. might provide an unfair advantage in the pinnacle of a sport, trans people (particularly trans women) DO have hormone measurements taken to ensure they're roughly in line with other cis women competitors.
@fffouad I've read trans studies that have data that implies one thing, but they interpret it in the conclusions to indicate the opposite. This appeases the trans lobby, which is bought and paid for by big pharma and the APA. Why you ask? It's profitable to promote gender ideology as it creates more customers (patients).
Trans people go through rigorous Hormone Suspension and Body Surgeries that make them The same as their preferred Gender, They test how much testosterone and estrogen you have before participating.
@@jediahsoka now I know you haven’t done research cuz you have no clue how HRT changes peoples bodies You can’t just make conclusions without doing research
Lmao, I love how they state 'Me being trans does not mean I have an advantage' which they explained by someone else being better than them. That's a flawed logic. This person is like 6'2". Seen in the female height distribution that's the top 1% percentile. The male equivalent is like 7 foot.
@Lonely Rome Well, if you remove 'superficial' attributes and compare the results of any olympic discipline. The 100m sprint qualification time is 10.05, half a second faster than any woman has ever run the sprint. Just as an example.
@@dangerfar Some people actually argue that, not realizing why a women's division exists in the first place. It was to encourage women to do sports. Before that, sports was only for men because women would always just get rolled and be non-competitive at even the intermediate level.
@Lonely Rome uh what? just how short do you wanna go cause being 5'8 or even 5'7 you have a shot at beating bigger guys at running and at basketball. Basketball literally is divided into positions by height, granted you do have a disadvantage when youre below 6feet, but that never stopped many sub 6 players to make the league be at the top, whatever disadvantage they have in size they make up for it with speed and skill. Put a 5'3 muggsy bogues in the wnba and he'll absolutely dominate women of any size, why? cause biology
@Lonely Rome that’s not the point you can make that argument for taking steroids sports need to eliminate every possible advantage so it’s entirely based on skill
My thing on this is that regardless makes and females are naturally different with different advantages. A male that has transitioned is still retaining the effects of being a male. They are like passive buffs. This has been shown with New Zealand weight lifter and plenty of high school track videos. Again if you don’t want to believe the difference between trans men and woman then just look at the difference between men and women in sports naturally.
You are right, even if they regulate the athletes testosterone to fit any a womens range, the athlete would still have an insane amount of androgen receptors from prenatal development, not only in the muscle but in the brain as well. And dont even get me started on the genetic advantages.
women to men have a disadvantage , Men to Women has a huuuuge advantage. The fact that you still lose don't prove that you don't start with an advantage ... Men to women gets a starting point advantage and that's facts.
You guys are stupid. Not because a trans athlete isn’t champion that it means it’s fair lol A trans woman vs a normal woman with both the same talent and the same training the trans woman will decimate the normal woman 100% of the time … all your exemple and anecdotal bullshit are irrelevant… World isn’t fair, I will never be a pro basketball player cause im only 6ft1 and not talented at all, I will never be a hockey player because I learned to skate to old And trans people will never be olympian because they were born in the wrong body just as I was borned in the “wrong body” Sometimes you can’t have everything you want in life … Life isn’t fair move on
Women to men, no advantage. Men to women, advantage. If it’s women to men then they are taking testosterone. If it’s men to woman then the body structure already has the spike in testosterone aka puberty making the body already stronger. They already have the foundation to build on. Estrogen doesnt remove that.
We’ve always made different groups for physical sports (where this biological advantage helps in) Boxing and wrestling have weight classes, swimming has swim style, etc. The reason it’s a problem now is that it’s now messing with somebody’s identity.
Imagine thinking sports should be gender neutral when a man who was ranked 203rd in the world at tennis beat arguably the best female tennis players of all time in Serena and Venus Williams.
The thing about gender neutral sports is that they would just sort themselves. I dont see the problem with gender neutral sports because most of the women will naturally sort to the bottom, and men to the top. Then they will just end up competing against each other anyway.
@@perperperpen Problem there is it would no longer become a viable option for females to become a professional in their chosen sport as there wouldn’t be the money in it for them being that low down so in essence it would kill women’s sport
@@JordanSMonk well not really, because even in sports with gender neutral ranking, there are events specifically for lower ranked players. Its not like the only ones who get attention are at the top, but generally, the best players overall will be the most respected, similar to how the majority of men's leagues in sports have much more viewers than women's leagues and the players are more well known. That doesnt mean you cant be a respected women's athlete, but its just kind of how sports work. The best player overall will always get the most attention, regardless of how you sort or divide the sport. And then also the benefit of such a system is that rather than being forced into mens or womens categories, trans people can fall somewhere in between, but still be competing against players of similar skill.
There is no need to debate. Trans women, male to female, have distinct physiological and biological advantages that don’t just go away with hormone therapy. They are ‘punching down in a sense. Trans men competing is less of an issue because they are ‘punching up’.
@@testacer5101 well bone structure is a big one, there is a reason why a ten year old boy can almost allways keep pace or beat a female thirteen year old. the reason that things like combat sports would be unfair is because men are stronger naturally. a man who does not work out but is not overweight will on average still beat a strong women if they used the same attack at the same time, tone the man down and you still edge the strong women out on bone structure alone not to mention mussle mass.
I think the debate isn’t whether or not it’s unfair. All sports have an unfair underlying factor when it comes to biological standings. The issue is when does the differences become to great. My question is if it’s women’s tennis or something that isn’t physical and the trans-man weighs less and is PHYSICALLY weaker then the women should be be eligible? I feel like even with the biological advantage the trans man has the women kinda balances it out but I might just be on copium.
@@sandralately1267 It’s like banning black people from sports because they are statistically more likely to be born in an environment that leads to them being better at sports. This is even if trans-women have an advantage which I haven’t seen convincing evidence of.
Trans people go through rigorous Hormone Suspension and Body Surgeries that make them The same as their preferred Gender, They test how much testosterone and estrogen you have before participating.
I cannot comprehend how this is even a debate. It is literally scientifically proven that males have advantages when it comes to the biology of the body. There is no sexism, transphobia or anything. Its literally just science and facts.
Have your opinions about this topic but could you please drop the idea that one side uses logic and one side doesn't? Republicans literally deny a worldwide pandemic and believe in a big man in the sky, listen to dudes who certainly have a lot of feelings about climate change, then use "millions of scientists are funded by our gubbamint!!!" Instead of facts. Also, we make murder illegal because it incites a lot of bad emotions, right? Or are you a sociopath who only believes there's value in money and positions, so that's why murder is illegal? If you think emotion doesn't and shouldn't play an important part in society, you're in denial of your own emotions, scared and hiding.
But some dudes can have way better genetics than others that give them unfair advantages but nobody complains about that? Micheal Phelps has super long arms which is insanely good for swimming but nobody wants to ban him
@@camy0772 sorry dude i might be very wrong but i think for sports they extract or add the amount of unfair advantage or disadvantage u get from the time. Im pretty sure but not 100%
Im shocked that the jubilee guests were able to have a civil conversation. I find it hard to understand why people think people transitioning to women would be on a fair level. Every second a person is on testosterone gives an advantage. Having an early advantage also has a cascading effect over time where initial advantages make more and more of a difference. Similar to how kids who are older in their grade tend to have better grades and more success in sports. That is simply because of the cascade
Yes but make sure not to use this as a coping mechanism. I am a February boy and objectively very academically accomplished. Your upbringing, determination, and stamina all make a much bigger difference! And yes ofc no person with any intelligence would say that trans women don't have an advantage over women.
@@guccipotato9466 Weight doesn't tell much, you would have to go off of muscle mass, bone density, hormone count, etc if you wanted things to be on a level playing field
I'm actually on board with trying gender neutral sports if they want, the thought of Francis Ngannou fighting a woman sounds hilarious to me, i'd pay to watch that shit. I'd just want a live reaction cam on the people's face who think this is a fair/good idea.
@@so_dead Nunes could wallop male strawweights, maybe even hang with elite level bantamweights. But she is one of the very few females capable of such a feat. Take a gander at her natural testosterone levels, pretty sure she is in the 110+ ng/dl testserum levels. Which is like the 0.0001% of all women. She is by all means an elite freakbeast with tons of training and experience behind her. That alone puts her up head and toes over all female competition. Now imagine if Amanda had all these same things, but had spend all that training and experience building as a below average male with 500+ng/dl and gender transitioned to female. She'd be mauling the other female fighters 2 on 1.
"If you think trans women have an advantage even with hormones, are you ok with trans men playing at a disadvantage even with hormones?" Yes, because you can't play with an advantage, but no one will stop you if you want to have a disadvantage. No one would have stopped Usain Bolt if he wanted to run with lead shoes, because it would have been his choice to compete at a disadvantage. The problem is that at the top levels, where competitions are decided by minuscule differences, even the slightest advantage matters, and in the case of trans women, having an advantage that others couldn't have chosen to have is unfair for the biological women that are competing.
@@Unknownz000 yea but I feel like they were actually genuine. I've seen a lot of the other episodes and many of the people are just dickheads (usually the ones with outright wrong opinions)
I would say with any argument, there's always gonna be the minority that proves it wrong. But the minority also doesn't decide for the topic at hand for if it's accurate or not. Of course there's gonna be cases in which someone born as a female, would out perform a biological male in a sport. But you can't ignore the fact that on average that there's gonna be an advantage to being born one gender for specific things. Not all things of course. But this whole argument should be based around averages instead of thinking that it's either all correct, or none of it is correct. Because that's never the case with anything.
@@devinmcgroot7560 I'm just saying how there's always gonna be the oddball cases that goes against the averages. All I'm saying is that the averages is what matters. I agree with you lmao
@@devinmcgroot7560 most xQc viewers are male because he is also a male and gaming is a primarily male dominated community. just the same as how women gravitate more towards female content creators who do make-up for example. that is not biology, that is psychology.
Nobody cares about women transitioning to men. Men transitioning to women are always going to have that advantage though which time and again has been shown to greatly increase their chances of winning in female sports. There are numerous articles of trans absolutely dominating female competitions.
This is one of those things where the argument is between feelings on one side, and logic on the other. We are talking about ATHLETES, people at the top of their game competing against each other where every advantage makes a difference. Trans athletes especially trans women have an advantage biologically, it doesn’t matter if it’s mean or you think it’s cruel to segregate them, in a conversation about competing it doesn’t matter how you feel it is undeniably a fact and it is a disgrace to allow cisgender to compete with them.
Except that trans women lose bone density and muscle mass about 2 years after being on meds and, if you take hormone blockers, that only further the transitioning process. There is literally no data that would prove that trans women have physical advantage of regular women.
@@OneReallyGrumpyJill Okay lets put it this way, look at the size of the trans women at 0:33. She's the tallest person there along with the cis guy. Do you think he would've been born with that frame as a woman?. Pair that with more lung capacity. Don't you think that size will make a huge difference in sports? "There is literally no data that would prove that trans women have physical advantage of regular women." Like dude, the data is right there.
@@pvtrossi "Uh, dude, just look and think" is not data, you are trying to rely on instinct right now, on the feeling of "something being wrong" there. I never said there are no difference, obviously they are there: the question is if there are difference that are major enough to provide unfair advantage in an unfair way. Following your logic, African men ought not to compete with European man since they, often, tend to have better physical builds. And, following your logic, transmen should compete with women because they have unfair disadvantage. "LoOK at HeR" is not a scientific study nor valid data. Actual no brain take.
I forgor. Men and Women have the exact same biological structure and are complete equals in every way and form. I see no problem with lebrona playing in the wnba, dropping 69 points per game. Gee Wiz
Technically speaking the gender regulations typically only apply to the female version of sports. The male version of sports don't separate gender as far as I know, its pretty much strictly based on weight class and just whether you can compete on the level you are trying to reach or not .
I think people know it will be a long time before a FtM competes in a men's sport at even a semi pro level. That's why you really only hear about MtF. Imagine a FtM going against LeBron James or Mike Trout or Tom Brady each of these legends in their respective "Big 3" sports
@@DarthEatsDonuts Women's sports. Following so far? Why have they been created? So that women can somehow compete in sports? But against other women. Yeah? What's the requirement (until recently) to compete in women's sports? XX chromosomes. That's the DNA part I was talking about. I know, I know. Complex biology stuff. Acronyms in capital letters can be scary. Feel free to open wikipedia and catch up on those chromosome and DNA thing before the next part. --- all good? --- So why stop there? I mean segregation by DNA is well established by now. I'm gonna sequence my exact DNA. This DNA sequence is gonna be the exact requirement for my new league. Of course anyone with the exact same DNA as me can join. I don't discriminate! There's a one in more than a few billion chances that someone has the same DNA as me. I'm pretty safe to say I'm the best, uncontested, absolute champion of my league. I am now a certified champ, not because I'm a good athlete, but because I have the required DNA.
@@QCteamkill what are you on about i can't undestand what you are defending and if this is ironic or not if I were a woman competing in mma, I would like to fight another woman, not another man if a woman wants to fight in the men's category, in my opinion they should be able to, but the default should be women vs women Sports like chess, video-gaming where one gender doesn't have a clear advantage over the other still have specific male/female categories for the fact that women still have a tendency to underperform and require their own leaderboards for competitiveness
@@QCteamkill I’ll give you a easy example Tyson vs literally any female boxer he’s gonna kill them not knock them out straight up kill them no female would be able to verse him Or Lebron he would drop 80-90 points a game on WNBA
the girl in the skirt is such a follower it’s unreal waiting for other people to agree with her actual viewpoint so she can speak her mind this is the world we live in now nobody thinks for themselves they need validation around them
@Yousef mostafa does watching twitch automatically make it so you can’t think for yourself? When I’m asked for my opinion I don’t look around and wait for other people to say it first before I agree that is the tell tale sign of someone who can’t think for themselves or is scared to say their thoughts for fear of backlash don’t wanna get canceled on twitter ya kno 😂
Edit: WARNING This is a theory, their is no evidence for these assumptions just my reasoning, sorry for any inaccuracies. If you were to look at a physical attribute that gave a competitive advantage, like strength and recorded data from 1000 athletes across all genders, I theorise you would see 4 peaks of binomially distributed data as each gender would have a slight increase in average strength, (cis-F, trans-M *because of hormones*, trans-F, cis-M) this clearly indicates that if cis and trans are grouped there would be a clear advantage for a proportion of the population degrading competitive integrity. The alternative is to simply assign people according to their biological gender, this would also demonstrate one group being physically dominant due to the effect of hormone therapy. This solution also comes with the unpleasant idea of labelling trans individuals as something they are not. I think the ideal solution would be to segregate them into 4 categories this would maintain competitive integrity as there would binomial distribution of physically advantageous traits. And hopefully trans individuals would feel more comfortable with being accurately identified. Note: I am utilising my knowledge from med school (have not graduated as of yet) to base my biological assumption that hormone therapy is not able to reverse most of the biologically advantageous developmental traits for men. Rebuttal: Outing trans people - this is definitely a big problem, but is not the core issue as it pertains to the idea of biology in sport. And it is something society will have to overcome. What’s the point in becoming a better athlete - I think this point has some merit, if my idea is put in place it is very likely their will be a much closer overlap of individuals who could compete in a different leagues *for lack of a better word* thus being relegated to a level of competition you see as beneath you could be disappointing. Although to counter that here’s an example, does a female athlete feel any less accomplishment when winning a gold medal just because a man can do it slightly better, I would argue no because there is a fundamental understanding that men have a somewhat unfair higher physical peak. As such people shouldn’t feel that their lvl of competition is below another due to the effects of biology. Gender neutrality in sport - Um… No, this one is pretty obvious. But people can set up their own leagues, rules and provided it generates enough money for it to stay afloat, who really cares.
"outing trans people" LMAO as if you can't tell instantly from 20 feet away man in a dress In the one in a million you can't tell visually they will just tell you they're trans anyway because it's their entire identity
@@hunter00143 thats literally just not true, you dont know what you're talking about. A masculine appearance is a very easy thing to fix with surgery. Of course there are trans people who cant afford surgery, but there are also a lot who can, and a good surgeon wont have them looking like a "man in a dress". If anything, you would be able to tell by the voice. There is vocal feminization surgery and therapy, but a lot of the time you will notice something off about the voice. Its kind of obvious you havent met many trans people in real life, if any at all.
Unless there is actual data, i wouldve actually thought that trans men would be stronger than trans women, not weaker. Some of the effects of testosterone can be quite striking, and ive heard a lot of stories about people gaining so much strength from it. You said its just a theory, but what exactly is the reasoning behind that?
"No trans athletes are at the top" - So what? That doesn't eliminate the advantages they have? They can still have an advantage, despite not being at the top. Of course in sports, technique also matters, but you can still have an advantage over the people at your level. For instance, you could be at the very bottom of the list normally, but your advantages keep you in the middle instead. It's like a kid with rich parents, they'll pay for the best education, tutors, you name it, but as soon as they turn 18, no more help is provided. That kid has no guaranteed ticket to success.
@@nokiabladee I wasn't saying it literally, I was giving an example. There are definitely parents who make their kids go fully independent at 18, they don't abandon them, but they definitely don't finance them and make them pay rent.
As a trans man I gotta say, trans women definitely do have an advantage. Unless she has a smaller frame, and has been on hormones for like 5+ years and is most likely fairly young, then I couldn't say that. But that isn't most trans women. There isn't problem with passing as well or not as well as cis people, but hey man... I don't know shit about sports
"Co-ed leagues work fine" Yeah well I just took a look at some and I agree while it was entertaining watching the women try and strike the men and literally get bounced onto the ground, I don't know if that really proves things work "fine" or if it's even fair. Also we don't live in a culture that takes pride in beating and pushing women to the ground like others, not only is it not always fun for the women to get beat, the men will probably be one bad hit away from never participating again.
There are also no rules in esports that men and women can't compete together, it just doesn't happen because we all know how unfair that would be. The only rules that exist is in female tournaments where men CANT compete, because we all know why.
@@Ripcraze In esports I think would be a good thing, but the argument I hear from organizers are: Men and women in a hotel and always together in the game house and etc, etc, etc.
its crazy how some people think that becoming trans is a trend just to perform better at sports. think of the actual motives to transition because no ones is to be better at a sport
I’m pretty sure it was Hassan who said it but we gave women their own categories so they could have a fair competition against other athletes if more and more trans women find out it would be easier still hard work but easier they will then all the records made by women get destroyed eventually and the one thing they had is gone
Men and women are fundamentally different on a biochemical level. Gender identity is psychological and it's how people "feel" and identify as. Gender identity doesn't change biological sex
what else do you think people who have transitioned do? one a person trransitions from male to female their body mass significantly drops, muscle fibres become softer depending on the hormone therapy and even their lung capacity is affected. in the world of sports a trans athelete especially trans women are expected to go through complete transition in order to compete. this puts them literally in no advantage after that. infact in cis gender women weightlifting/body building alot of cis women use hormones to increase their body/muscle mass for better results.
@@mr.j8010 Wrong wrong wrong. You still retain advantages of testosterone after its left the body. Take something as simple as wideness of hips. Female hips are wider to allow childbirth, wich makes em worse for running. No amount of HRT will make a mans hips widen to a female width and that is a permanent advantage.
@@linushforsberg8385 "A 2017 systematic review of literature relating to sport participation and competitive sports policies reported that there is no direct or comprehensive evidence of transgender women having an athletic advantage over their cisgender counterparts at any stage of transition (e.g. cross-sex hormones or sex reassignment " it's out there my guy. i study this as my course. so my arguments aren't certainly baseless like yours. hip to body ratio isn't defined by harmones not does it have necessary advantages/disadvantages to either sexes as far as sports is concerned. the right amount of training is what makes an athelete, an athelete.
@@mr.j8010 I can also go on a diet and my mass will drop, this doesn't make me a female. I can also not work out and have my muscle fibers become softer. I can also smoke and have my lung capacity worsen. Doesn't make me female. Female and male are biologically different, please take biology class.
@@devinmcgroot7560 do you even know what happens if you diet? it changes the rate of metabolism in your body therefore reducing your "weight", that doesnt change the body mass ratio. first of all the body mass of men and women are more so redistributed than completely "different". cis gendered male and female certainly have different biology if you read my comments properly you would have known that i study this as my course. also let me get the working out part out of the way by this simple excerpt from an article by Lauren Kanski who is a NASM-certified personal trainer based in New York City, "There are no “sex-specific” moves-all exercises do the same things for everyone. This is why women don't need to work out differently than men when it comes to building strength" therefore she concludes that women and men experience same body mass, muscle fibre increase with the same workout routines. now imagine if dieting can reduce your muscle fibres, what can hormone therapy do to your body? (keep in mind that hormones have a greater effect and impact to ones body than any other bio chemical means.) thats right, a trans womans body changes dramatically, the body mass is redistributed by the estrogen intake allowing more muscles to crowd towards the hips, muscles soften in the arms, chest, back and increase towards the hip, leg and groint regions. so you see, im not the one who neds to "take biology classes" here.
Whenever hypotheticals come into play everyone always says doing it case by case isn't feasible. It is. Its actually very easy to have a group of people decide if an athlete plays in the womens or mens divisions. You don't need to dismantle the existence of the female average and the male average. But you can easily just put the outliers where they're supposed to be. You can have a woman in the mens volleyball team and still call it the mens volleyball team. You don't need to change the name of the sport as long as the name of the trophy is just volleyball champion.
I think that at the professional level, categories need to be even more granular beyond "biological male" and "biological female." I understand where people who make the argument in favor of trans people having a separate category are coming from, but I think at that point you need to separate based on other biological features depending on the sport. For example, imagine playing a height-dependent sport like basketball as a short male. That is almost 100% genetic. You could be the best basketball player in the world proportional to your height and never do well because you are too short. At the professional level, factors like height, weight, testosterone levels, etc all need to be taken into account. Arbitrarily dividing based on JUST being biologically male or female, while easy, doesn't really separate as fairly as you might hope. At the professional level just work it out based on appropriate attributes. Sports like wrestling already divide by weight class anyway. At the casual level, who tf cares.
I completely agree. People say being trans is unfair when yes, that is usually true but don't act like cis people playing sports is that fair either. There are definitely biological advantages and disadvantages within genders, so to include trans people as well as other biologically disadvantaged people this would probably be a good end goal.
Yes that's because normal males were born with those genetic advantages or disadvantages. It wasn't chemically changed and altered so guess what that means if you are a little taller than normal still doesn't mean you are going to be good at basketball it still takes time and skill. If you are born shorter and make it to the NBA then you probably will still be better that 99.9% and if you cant pursue a sport becauea people are already genetically better then guess what either work harder or find something else to do.
Or, here me out, create a trans division. Way too many, even prenatal, advantages for trans women. As well as disadvantages for trans men. Not fair on either end. Trans division at least lets them compete.
No one is going to do that. The amount of transathletes is way too small. You will have to categorize them into age, weight, gender and so on (depending on the discipline) which just leaves close to no one left. Most bigger sports events already lose a ton of money in exchange for exposure. You think organizing, setting up and talking to sponsors is going to work with 5 people per category?
Then all sports should be mixed gender. If we're all the same, I see no problems having males, female and trans, all compete together. Maybe have it divided by weight rather than gender I guess.
Good vid, I’ve had this conversation with lots of people. In my opinion, the roller derby athlete solidified my opinion. She said “when we have this conversation, no one is taking into account the hours of hard work I’ve put in working out, at the gym, etc.” when in reality, that’s not what is the issue. Good for you if you go to the gym and work out to improve and compete, props!! However, If you were born as a cis male and transitioned post puberty, you transitioned into female taking all your post puberty biology with you. So even if your testosterone levels are lowered and hormonal balance is differed by transitioning, you are still at an advantage due to biological advantages, such as higher lung capacity, higher V02 max, running economy, having a larger heart, naturally higher muscle mass, etc. Imagine a foot race where you are in basically the same physical shape as everyone else in the race, but your starting line is set 10 feet ahead of all of your opponents. This is why trans female cross country runners are smashing female cross country records wherever they compete. Hope I’m not coming off insensitive to trans athletes, or to pidgeonhole trans female athletes. I just personally feel it’s too problematic to the integrity of a sport for trans athletes and cis athletes to compete together (in most sports, sports is a very broad term nowadays. Chess, ESports and dominoes all have had arguments made for being considered sports. None of what I said above applies to nontraditional unathletic sports) Sorry for the paragraph lmao
Your problem is caring whether or not you come off as insensitive when that doesn't matter. If you're speaking facts then it's their fault if they get offended.
yup - i'm only 3rd fastest on my small high school track team but i still would be very close if not beat the women's high school mile record. you see a big time gap in any track events or cross country and thats just facts
@@valinor5397 ehhhh okay I see your point, but try having conversations with people while only respecting the facts and not the person you’re trying to communicate with. Those conversations usually turn sour, most people enter these conversations already in their feelings. I just want to convey a point while being respectful so my point is actually heard, feel me?
Imo. the discussion about 'do men have a physical advantage in sports' is best explained when you look at the olympic results. Just as an example, the 100m sprint entry time for men was 10.05s. That's half a second faster than any female athlete has ever run. And the list goes on and on and on.
@Lonely Rome chill out. Who hurt you? My guy’s simply just stating his perspective on the analytics of olympians, comparing them to one another and stating that men do have the advantage.
@Lonely Rome wtf did you get so triggered for?😂 sports need to eliminate every possible advantage that an athlete can’t control so men and women need to be separate. It’s that simple
If we look at it like this Men has 20 skillpoints to start with Woman has 10 skillpoints to start with Just because the woman earns more skills points over the year than you through practice doesn't mean that she doesn't have a disadvantage to start with. This trans woman with the seaweed head makes no sense lmao
MTF, even with hormone blockers and receiving oestrogen, still retain a lot of the benefits from going through puberty and just being male in general. one of the specific ones that wouldn’t even require a male to go through puberty would by lung capacity. an MTF would retain that lung capacity compared to a cis female
@@providethem already down 25 comments and i want to kms. the amount of furry, trans ppl here insulting ppl with common sense just realises to me there is no hope. even mark hamill became the villain this year.
I could make this video in 1 second just saying "Yes". There's nothing more to argue about, the simple and factual answer is Yes. "Some women are naturally very strong", maybe, but 98% of teen guys can beat even the strongest of natural females.
@Lonely Rome I'm talking about natural females, not some top level athlete on steroids, and don't try to convince me that people competing at the top aren't on drugs.
Most of the record-breaking, unfair performance that we have seen from trans athletes were caused by disregarding the hormone therapy regulations. Maybe you could compare that to "teen guys", but when the regulations are actually being followed, there is no point being made by talking about how men differ from women. Virtually all of that is reversed by the effects of hormone therapy. That's why trans women, contrary to popular delusion, arent breaking all of these insane records and winning every match they participate in. To win, they need to still be a talented athlete, and because there are so few of them, the chances of them also being a talented athlete is incredibly small. The battle against transgender athletes is just one of those things that will eventually fade, because the issue itself has little if not zero effects on sports.
no, there is something to argue about. title says unfair advantage not just advantage. Also who the fuck cares about women sports, that shit is boring af, the only time people watch it is to fulfill their nationalistic views by seeing the people from their country succeed. Also 98 percent of teen guys cant beat the strongest natural females, u just exposed your intelligence by saying that.
@@xd-hc8cc "Exposed your intelligence", what? I have no doubt in my mind that 98 out of 100 18-19 year old would have no problem with winning, I'm not talking about a certain sport I'm talking about the most primitive raw battle.
She said that "people neglect the hours and hours she put into practice", but she simply ignores the fact that other athletes could be just as hard-working as her but they don't have the physical advantage she had as a trans woman.
Brother played a hockey game vs a female team that was like 5 or 6 year older. And one of the girls tried to hit a 6 foot 7 monster and then got taken to the hospital on a stretcher and he did not try to hit her.
IMO, it is so hard to argur that if you are built to have an advantage in a sport, you will be using the time someone with a disadvantage is using to overcome it to further progress your advantage. Then the hard limits of bone structures and densities for certain sports is simply an advantage that can't be overcome. Of course you can make up for it in other areas but it is an inherent sex-based advantage nonetheless. This is case-by-case and sport-by-sport which makes these blanket-statement solutions so short-sighted imo. I sadly think that it is better to segregate between male and female for most sports because there are too many variables at play. Either that, or simply go for it and see what happens so there's more more anecdotal evidence to go off of
The real debate isn’t if there is an advantage, it's what do we do about the advantage to allow for the fairest inclusion of as many people as possible. The best way I can see to allow trans people to partake in sports is to only allow them to play in male categories (as both trans men and women) it will give them a disadvantage, but I feel like that's the equivalent of being born short in some sports. You could argue that allowing trans women to play in women categories is just like them being born naturally tall in a similar way, but I think the possible advantages outweigh the possible disadvantages, so the men category makes the most sense. The only issue with it is that trans women will have to play with men, the opposite gender to what they identify with, which would probably make them feel like they don’t fit in, but I’m not sure if we really have a better solution?
Honestly, I feel as though most trans people understand the difference between biology and gender better than the average person. So I think it's a minority overall who actually think male to female trans ppl have no advantage.
@@hydromancer4916 How so? Gender and sex are seperate things, it's the only claim trans people are making, and the one claim I never see transphobes actually refute (because it's objectively true)
@@manamancy "Gender" as you define it was first coined by John Money, who committed such unspeakable atrocities on children I can't even post it in a youtube comment without being automoderated.
Why is the chat agreeing with the guy at 18:30 when that whole point then goes against not letting trans participate. The hormone levels of top female athletes are sometimes greater than most males. But a male taking hormone blockers/reducers has an inherent advantage because they had testosterone? But the women with naturally incredibly high testosterone isn't treated similarly?
but why not seperate them into groups with certain amount of testosteron instead of vague gender, that would be much more fair, some girls have simply more testosteron than other girls and still consider themselves women which gives them unfair advantage. seperating athletes by gender is like seperating boxers by race, on average asians are lighter than white so white boxers and asian boxers should be seperated - that is bull shit, they should be seperated into groups that includes all races with similiar body weights. ( I know that there are more things to consider than simply just testosteron)
@@pox1396 Its just not only about testosterone. Look at this girl: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nataliya_Kuznetsova . Its pretty obvious she is heavily on steroids, yet fucking Tyler1 can still benchpress more. Testosterone makes a big difference, but it isnt the only thing that makes a difference.
This would never ever ever work in practical lol you absolute moron. Also nobody wants to watch 2 people with the exact same genetics fight lol, a big thing that is impressive in sports is how some peoples genetics just are absolutely freaky in their own ways.
maybe I'm just retarded but the comments I've read were quite tame. I see people typing PepeLaugh but thats only because of xqc's reaction and how he cant basically say anything in this matter.
XqcWin I don't have anything against trans athletes I just feel in some sports the transitioned male has a disadvantage and s transitioned female has an advantage. I love everyone, we all have our opinions and talking through this maturely like these people are is the best way to conversate about this
The whole point of professional sports is having a physical advantage. Basketball players are chosen because their genetics make them taller, on top of all the practice they’ve done of course and how good they are. Wrestling have weight categories already. This all comes down to people who think women and men cannot be physically equal. Sure biologically there are differences, but professional athletes are ALL outliers, they are above average in their abilities and physique. In any sport there is a woman who can beat a man, because they have trained for it and they have that physical advantage, regardless of if they are trans or not. Not all women are born small and dainty lol.
I’m fairly left leaning but I argue with my woke friends over this. I legit think they’re just trying to score some woke points. It’s not even about science or trans people.
There isn't a take on this. There isn't a position on this any more than there's a position on the temperature at which water boils on. End of discussion. (and yes, i know that in high altitudes the temperature at which water boils decreases drastically and can even be body temp or room temp. dont be a nerd)
Why do recruiters care about grades so much? Well...when youre good at basketball and get asked that question and you have to say "Not really great" youre told "Well, theres not really a great chance youll make any money off this after college so...get your grades up"; Its because they need to know you have a fall back because sports is hard af to get paid for doing.
mad respect to felix for actually hearing out all opinions and using it as an opportunity for education, because it really is a hard topic. coming from someone who isnt cis i think its an extremely interesting debate which does not have a set answer and its just chill that x is genuinely curious about the topic even though he is scared to share any of his personal opinion because it honestly so controversial and he probably doesn't want to get destroyed on twitter.. also the chat is so scummy
Here’s a better example imo. If lebron James transitioned and started playing in the wnba he would most definitely drop 70 points a game
Wow dude that was totally transphobic ,how dare you question trans ?? Your also mansplaining so blocked 💅
@@meyr1992 It be like that people finna flame people for saying that
@@meyr1992 the fuck is this bait
@@owenmenning3878 it ain’t bait pepega
@@koodadigital8923 if that isn't bait, then im not breathing oxygen
Xqcs face looks he wants to say so much but "if I speak, I will be in big trouble" LULW
it sucks u cant even speak your mind nowadays
not saying i wouldnt lulw
@@Methbilly saying trans athletes should have their own categories isn't a bigoted opinion. its a common opinion the vast majority of people share. internet leftists don't decide majority opinions in the real world since they are a vocal minority.
@@_DMNO_ by internet leftists you mean twitter
@@_DMNO_ it kinda would be seen as bigoted because by that inference, a trans person isn’t their gender
@@TheyCalllMeVincenzo you decide if you think its bigoted then. I agree with the majority in saying they aren't. there's nothing wrong with you disagreeing though. Its a much more empathetic response to say they are. it isn't a black and white debate anyway, its a discussion solely based on opinion.
The trans argument is basically "Just because you have a biological advantage doesn't mean you are guaranteed to win" which is true but the whole problem is that there is the advantage in the first place. No one said that you are guaranteed to win just because you have an advantage but it does make it easier.
@@Leccci No shit. But we are talking about groupings here. A trans male who transitioned after puberty will still have higher bone density, larger lung capacity, height. It isn't about genetics or hormones here, because obviously top athletes have good genetics as well as good training.
@@Leccci Do you just want to become a victim to demand changes that are unfair? You say inclusivity, but then proceed to make it a bigger divisive issue between trans atheletes and common sense people that know the facts said in my previous comment.
@@Leccci That is the most retarded reasoning I have ever seen lmao. You could use that to defend fucking drug usage in the top level of sports
@@Leccci There are hereditary advantages, that’s what differentiates the top athlete’s who all put in the same amount of effort.. but gender is entirely different from that and can’t be compared
@@Leccci Those "hereditary characteristics" are the baseline for professional athletes. And the sex of a person is not hereditary, you don't inherit your genitals (in most cases) like you do your eye colour or bone density.
Literally it's an undeniable fact, muscle mass, lung capacity, heart size, reaction time, muscle memory, and a lot more to name. You just can't disprove these attributes a person can have that makes them naturally stronger. People keep saying that research this research that about HRT to justify their narrative, but it doesn't affect all of the factors that can contribute to one's athletic ability.
you are, WRONG.
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@@flameguy3416 Amazing counter argument
@@flameguy3416 You got him there,
@@someguy86 I sure did 😎
Well, I enjoyed my stay, boys. It was a truly remarkable career for him as a streamer. Get that fundraiser page up so we could get him some shelter and food, can't give up on him like this.
Cardboard box house tour soon? PagMan
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@@scarlett4898 this is the weirdest bot I have ever seen
hes not gonna get canceled over this, he just doesn't understand half the shit hes talking about, which is normal for xqc, this has happened so many times
@@somenerdpngFirst of all, this is just a joke, and second, his points were pretty good, so I wouldn't be surprised if he does get canceled. Saying a man without testosterone is on the physical level of women is like saying if we shoot up a woman with testosterone she's gonna be able to compete with men, which is impossible. And if you disagree, you might wanna stop by BrainsRUs.
Felix: guys i probably won't talk that much through out the whole video.
Also Felix: 30min vid
was gonna write this word for word lol
@@willwontwork You weren't though, were you?
@@friendhaus1858 yes
its funny cuz it thought you guys had freedom of speech in america, but its also the country that cancels people the most. yall are a comedy show for us i swear. yeah go ahead "eu lost to rats" damn man u got me..
@@ducksauce9187 If u think US is the country that cancel the most, you should check North Korea or China, those r good examples of the definition of cancel 😂
watching x tip toe around sensitive subjects is hilarious, especially when he reads edgy chat and just starts laughing
dude you can see the gears turning at around 4 mins when he covers his mouth and has to turn the cam off, holy shit i was rolling
i find it dumb as fuck, you should be able to say what u want without having every person constantly looking for someone to cancel u for n shit
@@ihax4uv179 yeah but twitch is cucked beyond belief
@@regarded9702 tru
@@ihax4uv179 ikr
I appreciate the fact the the MTF trans peoples excuse is “I still lose”. We never said you were good, we just said you have a natural advantage, just cuz you suck doesn’t mean you don’t have that advantage.
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Couldnt have said it better, but i have a feeling they aren't going to like this comment
People who are taller have a natural advantage in basketball, should we exclude them from the sport? At the upper echelon of these competitions (like, WAY beyond collegiate level), difference in hormonal balance and whatnot DO actually provide what might be considered an unfair advantage. However, if you know anything about this topic, in any competition where where a trans person's hormone levels, etc. might provide an unfair advantage in the pinnacle of a sport, trans people (particularly trans women) DO have hormone measurements taken to ensure they're roughly in line with other cis women competitors.
Not all MTF have a natural advantage but some do for sure
@@yScribblezHD You completely missed the fucking point
excited to see what this unbelievably friendly and non confrontational comment section will say
Hey whats up parkcs. Hope you are having a good day
Cant beat males
So they change gender to beat females pepelaugh
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@@jakedennis9938 ty jake
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How is this even a debate? Everyone already knows the answer deep down/on a technical level.
HRT, research about it, its a little bit more complicated than that
@@jorgegg-117 its not dont let your emotion take control of your brain in front of me ty
@@jorgegg-117 no it's simple. women and men are biologically different. men have advantage in sports
@@jorgegg-117 The route to the answer can be made complicated, but the end result is still the same.
@fffouad I've read trans studies that have data that implies one thing, but they interpret it in the conclusions to indicate the opposite. This appeases the trans lobby, which is bought and paid for by big pharma and the APA. Why you ask? It's profitable to promote gender ideology as it creates more customers (patients).
I kinda feel triggered that this is even debatable.
Of course it is unfair.
You haven’t done research then
well said.
Trans people go through rigorous Hormone Suspension and Body Surgeries that make them The same as their preferred Gender, They test how much testosterone and estrogen you have before participating.
@@jediahsoka now I know you haven’t done research cuz you have no clue how HRT changes peoples bodies
You can’t just make conclusions without doing research
@@jediahsoka Yes you are right. Just look at Laurel Hubbard.
Lmao, I love how they state 'Me being trans does not mean I have an advantage' which they explained by someone else being better than them. That's a flawed logic. This person is like 6'2". Seen in the female height distribution that's the top 1% percentile. The male equivalent is like 7 foot.
@Lonely Rome Do you think we should just abolish gender from sports and just make it one big event?
@Lonely Rome Well, if you remove 'superficial' attributes and compare the results of any olympic discipline.
The 100m sprint qualification time is 10.05, half a second faster than any woman has ever run the sprint. Just as an example.
@@dangerfar Some people actually argue that, not realizing why a women's division exists in the first place. It was to encourage women to do sports. Before that, sports was only for men because women would always just get rolled and be non-competitive at even the intermediate level.
@Lonely Rome uh what? just how short do you wanna go cause being 5'8 or even 5'7 you have a shot at beating bigger guys at running and at basketball. Basketball literally is divided into positions by height, granted you do have a disadvantage when youre below 6feet, but that never stopped many sub 6 players to make the league be at the top, whatever disadvantage they have in size they make up for it with speed and skill. Put a 5'3 muggsy bogues in the wnba and he'll absolutely dominate women of any size, why? cause biology
@Lonely Rome that’s not the point you can make that argument for taking steroids sports need to eliminate every possible advantage so it’s entirely based on skill
My only take is this is like controller vs keyboard and mouse one has a huge advantage.
That's not a take.
It's just facts.
True lol
Console players have aim assist for a reason, now put metal inside a biological female boxers gloves when she fights a trans woman boxer
@@atlas_rise_ :/ whatever you say I can tell your a pc nerd.
@@kikabull113 You're* + Are you saying mouse and keyboard players don't have an advantage?
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Not only people quote me on things that i didnt said but now i cant say what i want sadge
@@Cra-b NA Moment lmao
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8:42 is actual gold. You see his thoughts so clearly. His movements are more understandable than him speaking.
nah nah nah , this is gold 4:52 .
BayZed take PagMan
My thing on this is that regardless makes and females are naturally different with different advantages. A male that has transitioned is still retaining the effects of being a male. They are like passive buffs. This has been shown with New Zealand weight lifter and plenty of high school track videos. Again if you don’t want to believe the difference between trans men and woman then just look at the difference between men and women in sports naturally.
You are right, even if they regulate the athletes testosterone to fit any a womens range, the athlete would still have an insane amount of androgen receptors from prenatal development, not only in the muscle but in the brain as well. And dont even get me started on the genetic advantages.
women to men have a disadvantage , Men to Women has a huuuuge advantage. The fact that you still lose don't prove that you don't start with an advantage ... Men to women gets a starting point advantage and that's facts.
Then why aren't they dominating the leader boards?
@@camy0772??????????
Yes totally that advantage is so clearly when so many top female athletes at trans.
You guys are stupid. Not because a trans athlete isn’t champion that it means it’s fair lol
A trans woman vs a normal woman with both the same talent and the same training the trans woman will decimate the normal woman 100% of the time … all your exemple and anecdotal bullshit are irrelevant… World isn’t fair, I will never be a pro basketball player cause im only 6ft1 and not talented at all, I will never be a hockey player because I learned to skate to old
And trans people will never be olympian because they were born in the wrong body just as I was borned in the “wrong body”
Sometimes you can’t have everything you want in life … Life isn’t fair move on
Women to men, no advantage. Men to women, advantage. If it’s women to men then they are taking testosterone. If it’s men to woman then the body structure already has the spike in testosterone aka puberty making the body already stronger. They already have the foundation to build on. Estrogen doesnt remove that.
We’ve always made different groups for physical sports (where this biological advantage helps in) Boxing and wrestling have weight classes, swimming has swim style, etc. The reason it’s a problem now is that it’s now messing with somebody’s identity.
Imagine thinking sports should be gender neutral when a man who was ranked 203rd in the world at tennis beat arguably the best female tennis players of all time in Serena and Venus Williams.
All that while being hungover btw
And it wasn’t even close
The thing about gender neutral sports is that they would just sort themselves. I dont see the problem with gender neutral sports because most of the women will naturally sort to the bottom, and men to the top. Then they will just end up competing against each other anyway.
@@perperperpen Problem there is it would no longer become a viable option for females to become a professional in their chosen sport as there wouldn’t be the money in it for them being that low down so in essence it would kill women’s sport
@@JordanSMonk well not really, because even in sports with gender neutral ranking, there are events specifically for lower ranked players. Its not like the only ones who get attention are at the top, but generally, the best players overall will be the most respected, similar to how the majority of men's leagues in sports have much more viewers than women's leagues and the players are more well known. That doesnt mean you cant be a respected women's athlete, but its just kind of how sports work. The best player overall will always get the most attention, regardless of how you sort or divide the sport.
And then also the benefit of such a system is that rather than being forced into mens or womens categories, trans people can fall somewhere in between, but still be competing against players of similar skill.
There is no need to debate. Trans women, male to female, have distinct physiological and biological advantages that don’t just go away with hormone therapy. They are ‘punching down in a sense. Trans men competing is less of an issue because they are ‘punching up’.
What’s the evidence?
@@testacer5101 any sports that is dominated by men? basically any sport lul
@@testacer5101 well bone structure is a big one, there is a reason why a ten year old boy can almost allways keep pace or beat a female thirteen year old. the reason that things like combat sports would be unfair is because men are stronger naturally. a man who does not work out but is not overweight will on average still beat a strong women if they used the same attack at the same time, tone the man down and you still edge the strong women out on bone structure alone not to mention mussle mass.
I think the debate isn’t whether or not it’s unfair. All sports have an unfair underlying factor when it comes to biological standings. The issue is when does the differences become to great. My question is if it’s women’s tennis or something that isn’t physical and the trans-man weighs less and is PHYSICALLY weaker then the women should be be eligible? I feel like even with the biological advantage the trans man has the women kinda balances it out but I might just be on copium.
@@sandralately1267 It’s like banning black people from sports because they are statistically more likely to be born in an environment that leads to them being better at sports.
This is even if trans-women have an advantage which I haven’t seen convincing evidence of.
Yes, they do. End of debate.
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based but 5Head.
I just don't understand why they don't compromise and have a specific trans only sports competition in the Olympics that way everyone wins
Facts.
Trans people go through rigorous Hormone Suspension and Body Surgeries that make them The same as their preferred Gender, They test how much testosterone and estrogen you have before participating.
I cannot comprehend how this is even a debate. It is literally scientifically proven that males have advantages when it comes to the biology of the body. There is no sexism, transphobia or anything. Its literally just science and facts.
same with polical correct morons who use their heart insteed of their brain
Have your opinions about this topic but could you please drop the idea that one side uses logic and one side doesn't?
Republicans literally deny a worldwide pandemic and believe in a big man in the sky, listen to dudes who certainly have a lot of feelings about climate change, then use "millions of scientists are funded by our gubbamint!!!" Instead of facts.
Also, we make murder illegal because it incites a lot of bad emotions, right? Or are you a sociopath who only believes there's value in money and positions, so that's why murder is illegal? If you think emotion doesn't and shouldn't play an important part in society, you're in denial of your own emotions, scared and hiding.
trans people don't really think about science and facts
Cannot LUL
@@EingefrorenesEisen Who denies a worldwide pandemic? Nobodies saying "look guys COVID doesn't exist" what crack are you smoking ??
Men almost always have a better build for most athletic related things then women and It’s not transphobic or sexist it’s just the truth
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But some dudes can have way better genetics than others that give them unfair advantages but nobody complains about that? Micheal Phelps has super long arms which is insanely good for swimming but nobody wants to ban him
@@camy0772 sorry dude i might be very wrong but i think for sports they extract or add the amount of unfair advantage or disadvantage u get from the time. Im pretty sure but not 100%
Tbh its just that men have a higher level cap than woman please dont cancel me and they start at a higher level
thats transphobic and sexist you bigot lol
Im shocked that the jubilee guests were able to have a civil conversation. I find it hard to understand why people think people transitioning to women would be on a fair level. Every second a person is on testosterone gives an advantage. Having an early advantage also has a cascading effect over time where initial advantages make more and more of a difference. Similar to how kids who are older in their grade tend to have better grades and more success in sports. That is simply because of the cascade
Yes but make sure not to use this as a coping mechanism. I am a February boy and objectively very academically accomplished. Your upbringing, determination, and stamina all make a much bigger difference! And yes ofc no person with any intelligence would say that trans women don't have an advantage over women.
@@guccipotato9466 Weight doesn't tell much, you would have to go off of muscle mass, bone density, hormone count, etc if you wanted things to be on a level playing field
im not in that tend
I'm actually on board with trying gender neutral sports if they want, the thought of Francis Ngannou fighting a woman sounds hilarious to me, i'd pay to watch that shit. I'd just want a live reaction cam on the people's face who think this is a fair/good idea.
Jesus, thats terrifying
Bro I've never paid to watch any sport .... but if that's a match I'll 100% pay to watch
never paid for any PPV fight before, but i'd absolutely pay for that
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@@so_dead Nunes could wallop male strawweights, maybe even hang with elite level bantamweights. But she is one of the very few females capable of such a feat. Take a gander at her natural testosterone levels, pretty sure she is in the 110+ ng/dl testserum levels. Which is like the 0.0001% of all women. She is by all means an elite freakbeast with tons of training and experience behind her. That alone puts her up head and toes over all female competition. Now imagine if Amanda had all these same things, but had spend all that training and experience building as a below average male with 500+ng/dl and gender transitioned to female. She'd be mauling the other female fighters 2 on 1.
"If you think trans women have an advantage even with hormones, are you ok with trans men playing at a disadvantage even with hormones?"
Yes, because you can't play with an advantage, but no one will stop you if you want to have a disadvantage.
No one would have stopped Usain Bolt if he wanted to run with lead shoes, because it would have been his choice to compete at a disadvantage.
The problem is that at the top levels, where competitions are decided by minuscule differences, even the slightest advantage matters, and in the case of trans women, having an advantage that others couldn't have chosen to have is unfair for the biological women that are competing.
I really liked the people in this episode, even when they had some questionable takes, they were pretty respectful.
they're always respectful
They're literally kind of forced to. If they say anything remotely hurtful I can gaurentee their stay on the internet wouldn't last long
@@Unknownz000 Their stay on the internet would be the same as before, just with 10-20 people talking shit about them on twitter
@@Unknownz000 yea but I feel like they were actually genuine. I've seen a lot of the other episodes and many of the people are just dickheads (usually the ones with outright wrong opinions)
It boils down to this: men are bigger stronger and faster at the top level without exception. End of story.
The comparison of male puberty to going to the gym once with a protein shake is absolutely astonishing logic.
I would say with any argument, there's always gonna be the minority that proves it wrong. But the minority also doesn't decide for the topic at hand for if it's accurate or not. Of course there's gonna be cases in which someone born as a female, would out perform a biological male in a sport. But you can't ignore the fact that on average that there's gonna be an advantage to being born one gender for specific things. Not all things of course. But this whole argument should be based around averages instead of thinking that it's either all correct, or none of it is correct. Because that's never the case with anything.
you're overcomplicating things. biological sex is clear cut. men are vastly different from woman. why do you think most of xqcow viewers are male
@@devinmcgroot7560 I'm just saying how there's always gonna be the oddball cases that goes against the averages. All I'm saying is that the averages is what matters. I agree with you lmao
@@devinmcgroot7560 most xQc viewers are male because he is also a male and gaming is a primarily male dominated community. just the same as how women gravitate more towards female content creators who do make-up for example. that is not biology, that is psychology.
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Nobody cares about women transitioning to men. Men transitioning to women are always going to have that advantage though which time and again has been shown to greatly increase their chances of winning in female sports. There are numerous articles of trans absolutely dominating female competitions.
"When the whole world is running towards a cliff, he who is running in the opposite direction appears to have lost his mind." - C. S. Lewis
This is one of those things where the argument is between feelings on one side, and logic on the other. We are talking about ATHLETES, people at the top of their game competing against each other where every advantage makes a difference. Trans athletes especially trans women have an advantage biologically, it doesn’t matter if it’s mean or you think it’s cruel to segregate them, in a conversation about competing it doesn’t matter how you feel it is undeniably a fact and it is a disgrace to allow cisgender to compete with them.
Destroyed with facts and logic.
Except that trans women lose bone density and muscle mass about 2 years after being on meds and, if you take hormone blockers, that only further the transitioning process. There is literally no data that would prove that trans women have physical advantage of regular women.
@@OneReallyGrumpyJill Okay lets put it this way, look at the size of the trans women at 0:33. She's the tallest person there along with the cis guy. Do you think he would've been born with that frame as a woman?. Pair that with more lung capacity. Don't you think that size will make a huge difference in sports? "There is literally no data that would prove that trans women have physical advantage of regular women." Like dude, the data is right there.
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@@pvtrossi "Uh, dude, just look and think" is not data, you are trying to rely on instinct right now, on the feeling of "something being wrong" there. I never said there are no difference, obviously they are there: the question is if there are difference that are major enough to provide unfair advantage in an unfair way. Following your logic, African men ought not to compete with European man since they, often, tend to have better physical builds. And, following your logic, transmen should compete with women because they have unfair disadvantage. "LoOK at HeR" is not a scientific study nor valid data. Actual no brain take.
I forgor. Men and Women have the exact same biological structure and are complete equals in every way and form. I see no problem with lebrona playing in the wnba, dropping 69 points per game. Gee Wiz
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Technically speaking the gender regulations typically only apply to the female version of sports. The male version of sports don't separate gender as far as I know, its pretty much strictly based on weight class and just whether you can compete on the level you are trying to reach or not .
I think people know it will be a long time before a FtM competes in a men's sport at even a semi pro level. That's why you really only hear about MtF. Imagine a FtM going against LeBron James or Mike Trout or Tom Brady each of these legends in their respective "Big 3" sports
Even sports like the NBA change their rules if a player is too good or dominant.
Listen all I'm gonna say is that men and women have their own sports leagues for a reason lol
@@QCteamkill What?
@@DarthEatsDonuts Women's sports. Following so far?
Why have they been created? So that women can somehow compete in sports? But against other women. Yeah?
What's the requirement (until recently) to compete in women's sports? XX chromosomes. That's the DNA part I was talking about.
I know, I know. Complex biology stuff. Acronyms in capital letters can be scary. Feel free to open wikipedia and catch up on those chromosome and DNA thing before the next part.
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So why stop there? I mean segregation by DNA is well established by now. I'm gonna sequence my exact DNA.
This DNA sequence is gonna be the exact requirement for my new league. Of course anyone with the exact same DNA as me can join. I don't discriminate!
There's a one in more than a few billion chances that someone has the same DNA as me. I'm pretty safe to say I'm the best, uncontested, absolute champion of my league.
I am now a certified champ, not because I'm a good athlete, but because I have the required DNA.
@@QCteamkill what are you on about
i can't undestand what you are defending and if this is ironic or not
if I were a woman competing in mma, I would like to fight another woman, not another man
if a woman wants to fight in the men's category, in my opinion they should be able to, but the default should be women vs women
Sports like chess, video-gaming where one gender doesn't have a clear advantage over the other still have specific male/female categories for the fact that women still have a tendency to underperform and require their own leaderboards for competitiveness
@@QCteamkill I’ll give you a easy example Tyson vs literally any female boxer he’s gonna kill them not knock them out straight up kill them no female would be able to verse him
Or Lebron he would drop 80-90 points a game on WNBA
@@QCteamkill are you a national level no I’m comparing top level athletes
the girl in the skirt is such a follower it’s unreal waiting for other people to agree with her actual viewpoint so she can speak her mind this is the world we live in now nobody thinks for themselves they need validation around them
get a life pal
@Yousef mostafa does watching twitch automatically make it so you can’t think for yourself? When I’m asked for my opinion I don’t look around and wait for other people to say it first before I agree that is the tell tale sign of someone who can’t think for themselves or is scared to say their thoughts for fear of backlash don’t wanna get canceled on twitter ya kno 😂
@Yousef mostafa oh yea fam the way you talk definitely does not show your 12 years old but ok
Edit: WARNING This is a theory, their is no evidence for these assumptions just my reasoning, sorry for any inaccuracies.
If you were to look at a physical attribute that gave a competitive advantage, like strength and recorded data from 1000 athletes across all genders, I theorise you would see 4 peaks of binomially distributed data as each gender would have a slight increase in average strength, (cis-F, trans-M *because of hormones*, trans-F, cis-M) this clearly indicates that if cis and trans are grouped there would be a clear advantage for a proportion of the population degrading competitive integrity. The alternative is to simply assign people according to their biological gender, this would also demonstrate one group being physically dominant due to the effect of hormone therapy. This solution also comes with the unpleasant idea of labelling trans individuals as something they are not.
I think the ideal solution would be to segregate them into 4 categories this would maintain competitive integrity as there would binomial distribution of physically advantageous traits. And hopefully trans individuals would feel more comfortable with being accurately identified.
Note: I am utilising my knowledge from med school (have not graduated as of yet) to base my biological assumption that hormone therapy is not able to reverse most of the biologically advantageous developmental traits for men.
Rebuttal:
Outing trans people - this is definitely a big problem, but is not the core issue as it pertains to the idea of biology in sport. And it is something society will have to overcome.
What’s the point in becoming a better athlete - I think this point has some merit, if my idea is put in place it is very likely their will be a much closer overlap of individuals who could compete in a different leagues *for lack of a better word* thus being relegated to a level of competition you see as beneath you could be disappointing. Although to counter that here’s an example, does a female athlete feel any less accomplishment when winning a gold medal just because a man can do it slightly better, I would argue no because there is a fundamental understanding that men have a somewhat unfair higher physical peak. As such people shouldn’t feel that their lvl of competition is below another due to the effects of biology.
Gender neutrality in sport - Um… No, this one is pretty obvious. But people can set up their own leagues, rules and provided it generates enough money for it to stay afloat, who really cares.
I think you're onto something 🤔
Good think this is just a theory
We don’t care
"outing trans people" LMAO as if you can't tell instantly from 20 feet away man in a dress
In the one in a million you can't tell visually they will just tell you they're trans anyway because it's their entire identity
@@hunter00143 thats literally just not true, you dont know what you're talking about. A masculine appearance is a very easy thing to fix with surgery. Of course there are trans people who cant afford surgery, but there are also a lot who can, and a good surgeon wont have them looking like a "man in a dress". If anything, you would be able to tell by the voice. There is vocal feminization surgery and therapy, but a lot of the time you will notice something off about the voice. Its kind of obvious you havent met many trans people in real life, if any at all.
Unless there is actual data, i wouldve actually thought that trans men would be stronger than trans women, not weaker. Some of the effects of testosterone can be quite striking, and ive heard a lot of stories about people gaining so much strength from it. You said its just a theory, but what exactly is the reasoning behind that?
"No trans athletes are at the top" - So what? That doesn't eliminate the advantages they have? They can still have an advantage, despite not being at the top. Of course in sports, technique also matters, but you can still have an advantage over the people at your level. For instance, you could be at the very bottom of the list normally, but your advantages keep you in the middle instead. It's like a kid with rich parents, they'll pay for the best education, tutors, you name it, but as soon as they turn 18, no more help is provided. That kid has no guaranteed ticket to success.
bruh how old are you, rich parents won't automatically give up on you the moment you turn 18 lmao
@@nokiabladee I wasn't saying it literally, I was giving an example. There are definitely parents who make their kids go fully independent at 18, they don't abandon them, but they definitely don't finance them and make them pay rent.
Except Trans women are at the top
@@broly425 in what planet bozo
As a trans man I gotta say, trans women definitely do have an advantage. Unless she has a smaller frame, and has been on hormones for like 5+ years and is most likely fairly young, then I couldn't say that. But that isn't most trans women. There isn't problem with passing as well or not as well as cis people, but hey man... I don't know shit about sports
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"Co-ed leagues work fine"
Yeah well I just took a look at some and I agree while it was entertaining watching the women try and strike the men and literally get bounced onto the ground, I don't know if that really proves things work "fine" or if it's even fair.
Also we don't live in a culture that takes pride in beating and pushing women to the ground like others, not only is it not always fun for the women to get beat, the men will probably be one bad hit away from never participating again.
There are also no rules in esports that men and women can't compete together, it just doesn't happen because we all know how unfair that would be. The only rules that exist is in female tournaments where men CANT compete, because we all know why.
@@Ripcraze In esports I think would be a good thing, but the argument I hear from organizers are: Men and women in a hotel and always together in the game house and etc, etc, etc.
its crazy how some people think that becoming trans is a trend just to perform better at sports. think of the actual motives to transition because no ones is to be better at a sport
love how he removes his face cam because he can’t hold in his laughter any more
I’m pretty sure it was Hassan who said it but we gave women their own categories so they could have a fair competition against other athletes if more and more trans women find out it would be easier still hard work but easier they will then all the records made by women get destroyed eventually and the one thing they had is gone
Hasan never said that . his stance is that trans can compete in the sport for their gender
@@chrischika7026 Hasan will say whatever he needs to say to get clout
"Chat be nice"
Spoiler alert: they're never nice
Yeah, they started spamming WutFace right when the trans person with green hair came
@@sall861 WutFace
@@sall861 thats because green hairs looks ugly on her. Wutface
@@yodagaming5905 well yeah but, you know, *if i speak im in big trouble*
@@sall861 it is ugly though WutFace
Omg brooooo, x's reaction from 4:00-5:00 had me belly laughing deeply and harder than I have laughed from something on youtube in a long ass time.
When he just turns the camera off Pepelaugh
ikr the first 7 minutes was solid gold of content I was DYING
@@alexandregoguen8889 and then it comes back and he’s sitting there with a blank face lmao
“It’s not an advantage” holy copium overdose
Men and women are fundamentally different on a biochemical level. Gender identity is psychological and it's how people "feel" and identify as. Gender identity doesn't change biological sex
what else do you think people who have transitioned do? one a person trransitions from male to female their body mass significantly drops, muscle fibres become softer depending on the hormone therapy and even their lung capacity is affected. in the world of sports a trans athelete especially trans women are expected to go through complete transition in order to compete. this puts them literally in no advantage after that. infact in cis gender women weightlifting/body building alot of cis women use hormones to increase their body/muscle mass for better results.
@@mr.j8010 Wrong wrong wrong. You still retain advantages of testosterone after its left the body. Take something as simple as wideness of hips. Female hips are wider to allow childbirth, wich makes em worse for running. No amount of HRT will make a mans hips widen to a female width and that is a permanent advantage.
@@linushforsberg8385 "A 2017 systematic review of literature relating to sport participation and competitive sports policies reported that there is no direct or comprehensive evidence of transgender women having an athletic advantage over their cisgender counterparts at any stage of transition (e.g. cross-sex hormones or sex reassignment " it's out there my guy. i study this as my course. so my arguments aren't certainly baseless like yours. hip to body ratio isn't defined by harmones not does it have necessary advantages/disadvantages to either sexes as far as sports is concerned. the right amount of training is what makes an athelete, an athelete.
@@mr.j8010 I can also go on a diet and my mass will drop, this doesn't make me a female. I can also not work out and have my muscle fibers become softer. I can also smoke and have my lung capacity worsen. Doesn't make me female. Female and male are biologically different, please take biology class.
@@devinmcgroot7560 do you even know what happens if you diet? it changes the rate of metabolism in your body therefore reducing your "weight", that doesnt change the body mass ratio. first of all the body mass of men and women are more so redistributed than completely "different". cis gendered male and female certainly have different biology if you read my comments properly you would have known that i study this as my course. also let me get the working out part out of the way by this simple excerpt from an article by Lauren Kanski who is a NASM-certified personal trainer based in New York City, "There are no “sex-specific” moves-all exercises do the same things for everyone. This is why women don't need to work out differently than men when it comes to building strength" therefore she concludes that women and men experience same body mass, muscle fibre increase with the same workout routines. now imagine if dieting can reduce your muscle fibres, what can hormone therapy do to your body? (keep in mind that hormones have a greater effect and impact to ones body than any other bio chemical means.) thats right, a trans womans body changes dramatically, the body mass is redistributed by the estrogen intake allowing more muscles to crowd towards the hips, muscles soften in the arms, chest, back and increase towards the hip, leg and groint regions. so you see, im not the one who neds to "take biology classes" here.
Whenever hypotheticals come into play everyone always says doing it case by case isn't feasible. It is. Its actually very easy to have a group of people decide if an athlete plays in the womens or mens divisions. You don't need to dismantle the existence of the female average and the male average. But you can easily just put the outliers where they're supposed to be. You can have a woman in the mens volleyball team and still call it the mens volleyball team. You don't need to change the name of the sport as long as the name of the trophy is just volleyball champion.
This question has been settled 100 years ago. On to the next
I think that at the professional level, categories need to be even more granular beyond "biological male" and "biological female." I understand where people who make the argument in favor of trans people having a separate category are coming from, but I think at that point you need to separate based on other biological features depending on the sport. For example, imagine playing a height-dependent sport like basketball as a short male. That is almost 100% genetic. You could be the best basketball player in the world proportional to your height and never do well because you are too short. At the professional level, factors like height, weight, testosterone levels, etc all need to be taken into account. Arbitrarily dividing based on JUST being biologically male or female, while easy, doesn't really separate as fairly as you might hope. At the professional level just work it out based on appropriate attributes. Sports like wrestling already divide by weight class anyway. At the casual level, who tf cares.
I completely agree. People say being trans is unfair when yes, that is usually true but don't act like cis people playing sports is that fair either. There are definitely biological advantages and disadvantages within genders, so to include trans people as well as other biologically disadvantaged people this would probably be a good end goal.
Yes that's because normal males were born with those genetic advantages or disadvantages. It wasn't chemically changed and altered so guess what that means if you are a little taller than normal still doesn't mean you are going to be good at basketball it still takes time and skill. If you are born shorter and make it to the NBA then you probably will still be better that 99.9% and if you cant pursue a sport becauea people are already genetically better then guess what either work harder or find something else to do.
@@thoryl7067 But then why do we divide sports between men and women?
The moment he realized he said guy was way too funny.
Bro post time stamp lmao I'm not watching this cringe fest hahahah
@@weabooavatar399 6:21
Well he’s not wrong
@@tomato9593 😬
@@tomato9593 weird
Or, here me out, create a trans division. Way too many, even prenatal, advantages for trans women. As well as disadvantages for trans men. Not fair on either end. Trans division at least lets them compete.
No one is going to do that. The amount of transathletes is way too small. You will have to categorize them into age, weight, gender and so on (depending on the discipline) which just leaves close to no one left. Most bigger sports events already lose a ton of money in exchange for exposure. You think organizing, setting up and talking to sponsors is going to work with 5 people per category?
Then all sports should be mixed gender. If we're all the same, I see no problems having males, female and trans, all compete together. Maybe have it divided by weight rather than gender I guess.
@Gen B And I completely agree with you
There are not that many trans athletes.
i love how careful felix is, he's not even saying words anymore just hand gestures and saying "you know?"
Good vid, I’ve had this conversation with lots of people. In my opinion, the roller derby athlete solidified my opinion. She said “when we have this conversation, no one is taking into account the hours of hard work I’ve put in working out, at the gym, etc.” when in reality, that’s not what is the issue. Good for you if you go to the gym and work out to improve and compete, props!! However, If you were born as a cis male and transitioned post puberty, you transitioned into female taking all your post puberty biology with you. So even if your testosterone levels are lowered and hormonal balance is differed by transitioning, you are still at an advantage due to biological advantages, such as higher lung capacity, higher V02 max, running economy, having a larger heart, naturally higher muscle mass, etc. Imagine a foot race where you are in basically the same physical shape as everyone else in the race, but your starting line is set 10 feet ahead of all of your opponents. This is why trans female cross country runners are smashing female cross country records wherever they compete. Hope I’m not coming off insensitive to trans athletes, or to pidgeonhole trans female athletes. I just personally feel it’s too problematic to the integrity of a sport for trans athletes and cis athletes to compete together (in most sports, sports is a very broad term nowadays. Chess, ESports and dominoes all have had arguments made for being considered sports. None of what I said above applies to nontraditional unathletic sports) Sorry for the paragraph lmao
Your problem is caring whether or not you come off as insensitive when that doesn't matter. If you're speaking facts then it's their fault if they get offended.
yup - i'm only 3rd fastest on my small high school track team but i still would be very close if not beat the women's high school mile record. you see a big time gap in any track events or cross country and thats just facts
@@valinor5397 ehhhh okay I see your point, but try having conversations with people while only respecting the facts and not the person you’re trying to communicate with. Those conversations usually turn sour, most people enter these conversations already in their feelings. I just want to convey a point while being respectful so my point is actually heard, feel me?
I love how xqc says he is not afraid of getting "cancelled" but he is still scared to share his own opinions on this type of videos lol.
Imo. the discussion about 'do men have a physical advantage in sports' is best explained when you look at the olympic results.
Just as an example, the 100m sprint entry time for men was 10.05s. That's half a second faster than any female athlete has ever run. And the list goes on and on and on.
@Lonely Rome chill out. Who hurt you? My guy’s simply just stating his perspective on the analytics of olympians, comparing them to one another and stating that men do have the advantage.
@Lonely Rome I bet you would love if boxing/mma just abolished the weight categories.
@Lonely Rome wtf did you get so triggered for?😂 sports need to eliminate every possible advantage that an athlete can’t control so men and women need to be separate. It’s that simple
@Lonely Rome Cope
If we look at it like this
Men has 20 skillpoints to start with
Woman has 10 skillpoints to start with
Just because the woman earns more skills points over the year than you through practice doesn't mean that she doesn't have a disadvantage to start with. This trans woman with the seaweed head makes no sense lmao
MTF, even with hormone blockers and receiving oestrogen, still retain a lot of the benefits from going through puberty and just being male in general. one of the specific ones that wouldn’t even require a male to go through puberty would by lung capacity. an MTF would retain that lung capacity compared to a cis female
4:43 He had to hide his camera so that people wouldn't see him laughing 😂😂 xQc is TOO MUCH 😂😂
Thanks Xqc for your honest unfiltered take on this. Your honesty touches the hearts of us all.
Hahahahaha you don’t watch xqc if you think this is unfiltered
This is your warning to turn back and not read the comments. Save yourself the trouble.
Am already 20 comments in bucko
@@providethem already down 25 comments and i want to kms. the amount of furry, trans ppl here insulting ppl with common sense just realises to me there is no hope. even mark hamill became the villain this year.
@@ImotekhtheStormlord-tx2it i see more ppl being transphobic tbh
@@ImotekhtheStormlord-tx2it what are you talking about? Almost all the people here are being transphobic
Whenever I watch xqc I get happy .. 🤗
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i get sad
Cringe
He makes my day.
@@mattp7006 ???
Bet they'll change their minds once The Rock transitions.
This fucking chat someone said "just respawn" i cant
I could make this video in 1 second just saying "Yes". There's nothing more to argue about, the simple and factual answer is Yes.
"Some women are naturally very strong", maybe, but 98% of teen guys can beat even the strongest of natural females.
@Lonely Rome I'm talking about natural females, not some top level athlete on steroids, and don't try to convince me that people competing at the top aren't on drugs.
Most of the record-breaking, unfair performance that we have seen from trans athletes were caused by disregarding the hormone therapy regulations. Maybe you could compare that to "teen guys", but when the regulations are actually being followed, there is no point being made by talking about how men differ from women. Virtually all of that is reversed by the effects of hormone therapy. That's why trans women, contrary to popular delusion, arent breaking all of these insane records and winning every match they participate in. To win, they need to still be a talented athlete, and because there are so few of them, the chances of them also being a talented athlete is incredibly small. The battle against transgender athletes is just one of those things that will eventually fade, because the issue itself has little if not zero effects on sports.
no, there is something to argue about. title says unfair advantage not just advantage. Also who the fuck cares about women sports, that shit is boring af, the only time people watch it is to fulfill their nationalistic views by seeing the people from their country succeed. Also 98 percent of teen guys cant beat the strongest natural females, u just exposed your intelligence by saying that.
@@xd-hc8cc "Exposed your intelligence", what? I have no doubt in my mind that 98 out of 100 18-19 year old would have no problem with winning, I'm not talking about a certain sport I'm talking about the most primitive raw battle.
been a while since I wimper in tears of silent laughter, it be the most random stuff sometimes man
Testosterone. The ultimate performance enhancer. Let's just all get juiced up and rage as equals
I was dying when xQc paused on among and the chat was typing monkalaugh it was hilarious and the timing was perfect. 😂
She said that "people neglect the hours and hours she put into practice", but she simply ignores the fact that other athletes could be just as hard-working as her but they don't have the physical advantage she had as a trans woman.
Exactly
And she doesnt really look like she is in good shape, i bet she is the only one there with a beer belly.
No comment. I'm just here for React Andy content. We all got enough on our plates.
I heard among. Looked at chat, and waited.
One of the certainties in life
I’m guessing chat was going crazy when he watched this. Haven’t seen it yet lol
Brother played a hockey game vs a female team that was like 5 or 6 year older. And one of the girls tried to hit a 6 foot 7 monster and then got taken to the hospital on a stretcher and he did not try to hit her.
8:35 that was so simple, and still the entire chat is: “?????” actual brain damage OMEGALUL
Bad take
IMO, it is so hard to argur that if you are built to have an advantage in a sport, you will be using the time someone with a disadvantage is using to overcome it to further progress your advantage. Then the hard limits of bone structures and densities for certain sports is simply an advantage that can't be overcome. Of course you can make up for it in other areas but it is an inherent sex-based advantage nonetheless. This is case-by-case and sport-by-sport which makes these blanket-statement solutions so short-sighted imo. I sadly think that it is better to segregate between male and female for most sports because there are too many variables at play. Either that, or simply go for it and see what happens so there's more more anecdotal evidence to go off of
I lost it when they debated if sports should be gender neutral
I'm all for it (we'll see how that goes)
@@jaguar4118 lol shit's like idiocracy nowadays, we're starting to go backwards and yet people see it as "progressing" all the same..
@@CrimzFN its just NA toddlers honestly
"CIS" what a strange way to say Normal
The real debate isn’t if there is an advantage, it's what do we do about the advantage to allow for the fairest inclusion of as many people as possible. The best way I can see to allow trans people to partake in sports is to only allow them to play in male categories (as both trans men and women) it will give them a disadvantage, but I feel like that's the equivalent of being born short in some sports. You could argue that allowing trans women to play in women categories is just like them being born naturally tall in a similar way, but I think the possible advantages outweigh the possible disadvantages, so the men category makes the most sense. The only issue with it is that trans women will have to play with men, the opposite gender to what they identify with, which would probably make them feel like they don’t fit in, but I’m not sure if we really have a better solution?
The transgender athlete in Tokyo Isn't a power lifter, she's a weightlifter and also she placed last in the competition....
He.
"I will have zero takes on this"
Proceeds to give plenty of takes
Honestly, I feel as though most trans people understand the difference between biology and gender better than the average person. So I think it's a minority overall who actually think male to female trans ppl have no advantage.
they don't understand biology lmao in fact they straight up deny it
sure, but they can't just agree with the fact that there's an advantage. otherwise they'd lose their advantage.
@@hydromancer4916 true
@@hydromancer4916 How so? Gender and sex are seperate things, it's the only claim trans people are making, and the one claim I never see transphobes actually refute (because it's objectively true)
@@manamancy "Gender" as you define it was first coined by John Money, who committed such unspeakable atrocities on children I can't even post it in a youtube comment without being automoderated.
6:40 He just saw his career flash before his eyes
Honestly how is this even debatable. Its like saying "Does 1+1 equal 2?"
Why is the chat agreeing with the guy at 18:30 when that whole point then goes against not letting trans participate. The hormone levels of top female athletes are sometimes greater than most males. But a male taking hormone blockers/reducers has an inherent advantage because they had testosterone? But the women with naturally incredibly high testosterone isn't treated similarly?
It's not transphobic to have a conversation or disagree about this stuff, but I gotta be honest, the chat was hot trash and xQc wasn't helping either.
I'm glad he was more transphobic than less :)
@@Lathspell_ ???
@@Arriss2121 what
@@Lathspell_ lol idk, i may have misinterpreted what you said but i thought you meant you were glad Felix was more transphobic than less transphobic
@@Arriss2121 thats exactly what i meant
but why not seperate them into groups with certain amount of testosteron instead of vague gender, that would be much more fair, some girls have simply more testosteron than other girls and still consider themselves women which gives them unfair advantage. seperating athletes by gender is like seperating boxers by race, on average asians are lighter than white so white boxers and asian boxers should be seperated - that is bull shit, they should be seperated into groups that includes all races with similiar body weights. ( I know that there are more things to consider than simply just testosteron)
You can eat more and build muscle but you can’t eat more and build testosterone
@@imaforceanature7297 you can take testosteron shots
@@pox1396 Its just not only about testosterone. Look at this girl: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nataliya_Kuznetsova . Its pretty obvious she is heavily on steroids, yet fucking Tyler1 can still benchpress more. Testosterone makes a big difference, but it isnt the only thing that makes a difference.
@@linushforsberg8385 yea I said that I know that there must be considered more attributes than simply just testosteron.
This would never ever ever work in practical lol you absolute moron. Also nobody wants to watch 2 people with the exact same genetics fight lol, a big thing that is impressive in sports is how some peoples genetics just are absolutely freaky in their own ways.
The amount of *actual* transphobes and homophobes in this chat is way more than it should be
it makes me sick.
maybe I'm just retarded but the comments I've read were quite tame. I see people typing PepeLaugh but thats only because of xqc's reaction and how he cant basically say anything in this matter.
@@enzogeee when the guy is talking about how he didn’t get a scholarship you can see a couple. Also sorting these comments by new are a good example.
You mean on twitch chat?
@@zoinksscoob6523 both there and here
XqcWin I don't have anything against trans athletes I just feel in some sports the transitioned male has a disadvantage and s transitioned female has an advantage. I love everyone, we all have our opinions and talking through this maturely like these people are is the best way to conversate about this
24:30 ‘we don’t have another data’ bro we got like 40 years worth
I dont see how facts are debatable I hate how the world is going
The whole point of professional sports is having a physical advantage. Basketball players are chosen because their genetics make them taller, on top of all the practice they’ve done of course and how good they are. Wrestling have weight categories already. This all comes down to people who think women and men cannot be physically equal. Sure biologically there are differences, but professional athletes are ALL outliers, they are above average in their abilities and physique. In any sport there is a woman who can beat a man, because they have trained for it and they have that physical advantage, regardless of if they are trans or not. Not all women are born small and dainty lol.
This is so bad
@@jabanan thanks, good points there
Gotta love Jubilee videos, 90% of them are just one side has factual information, other side has hurr durr muh opinion. Great content.
imagine Giannis turns into a girl suddenly and moves into the WNBA LMAO he would be 1v5 just ff every game
I’m fairly left leaning but I argue with my woke friends over this. I legit think they’re just trying to score some woke points. It’s not even about science or trans people.
There isn't a take on this. There isn't a position on this any more than there's a position on the temperature at which water boils on. End of discussion.
(and yes, i know that in high altitudes the temperature at which water boils decreases drastically and can even be body temp or room temp. dont be a nerd)
? Ok nerd
@@devilvocano420 nerd? lol
Yes. There’s not even a debate.
I don’t want to touch this with a ten foot stick…
Same
Then dont
Why do recruiters care about grades so much? Well...when youre good at basketball and get asked that question and you have to say "Not really great" youre told "Well, theres not really a great chance youll make any money off this after college so...get your grades up"; Its because they need to know you have a fall back because sports is hard af to get paid for doing.
mad respect to felix for actually hearing out all opinions and using it as an opportunity for education, because it really is a hard topic. coming from someone who isnt cis i think its an extremely interesting debate which does not have a set answer and its just chill that x is genuinely curious about the topic even though he is scared to share any of his personal opinion because it honestly so controversial and he probably doesn't want to get destroyed on twitter.. also the chat is so scummy