Join us to have a look at a lineup of Winchester's wonderful slide action shotguns. We'll be bringing out some family shotgun's that have been retired for nearly 70 years.
Going from memory the major ammo problem for the 1893, and later the original Marlin 1898 and others, was that early smokeless powders in the US were hydroscopic. I've heard it wasn't uncommon to put a center column of black powder in the shell to make sure you got a full burn. Hence recoil locks were big until the end of WWI, then they started falling out of the market as the powder had improved.
The “Post 64” series of Model 12’s and Model 70’s functioned fine BUT aesthetically just different…heft-balance-metal to metal feel when working the actions were a change. In Southeastern Washington State during the late 50’s and 1960’s, upland bird hunting reigned at its best…cover, weather patterns, feed were prime with a once great state Department of Fish and Game at their peak in supporting feathered game animals. Being in the field on the Fall days with your dog and pre-64 Model 12 in hand made for lifelong memories…Nostalgia factor running at 100% 👍🏻 Big Green Remington saw an opening with the Post 64 Winchesters changes and the rest is history…the 870 became the selling king of slide actions and the pre 64 Winchesters became coveted.
I pick up a 97 few months ago. Just a shooter C 225xxx. Kids talking about the 97 in their video games. I test fired the last paper cartridge in my stock, then new ammo. Handed over to the kids shooting skeet hit after hit 5 different shooters two boxes of clays. Then had a delay ignition or out of battery. Brass blew out the side.
This video is a huge nostalgia hit! 👍👍 My first shotgun was a takedown model 12 field grade in 16 gauge. No checkering, no rib, 28-inch full choke. It brought home its share of ducks, pheasants, grouse, and doves when I was a kid growing up in Oregon's Willamette Valley in the 1950s and 60s. It patterned best with 1 1/8 oz of #5 shot, so that's what I used on everything but doves, which I hunted using low brass Eleys with 1 oz of #9 shot.
That little 4/10 made me happy. My first shotgun was an old 42 standard from my grandpa. Unfortunately I always stored it at his house... I was 10. When he passed the gun ended up in an uncle's collection and then eventually sold to satisfy credit card debts.
Let us not forget Spencer created the first slide action shotgun in 1882, which became Bannerman in 1890 after they went bankrupt. Great video as allways!
Thanks Joseph! I didn't mean to insinuate that Winchester made the first slide action shotgun. I have an 1890 Spencer/Bannerman in the shop right now. One of these days, I'll take it out for a test run. 😉 When Winchester introduced the 1893, they had a patent fight with Spencer, who already held a patent on slide action shotguns.
I finally completed my model 12 collection. 12ga,20ga,16ga,and I found a 28ga. And I have had a 42 since I was 12. 53 years ago. I've taken a lot of game with that model 42. Even quite a few geese and deer.
What an amazing collection of Winchester shotguns. I definitely want to see you fire that Winchester M1893 at some point. It doesn't get enough love in my opinion. It's completely overshadowed by the M1897. While it isn't the first ''successful'' pump action shotgun ever, since the Spencer M1882 deservers that title, it's still the first ever Winchester pump action shotgun.
Beautifully done. This kind of information if lost is a dis service to not only gun people but to others interested in the study of cause and effect as it relates to invention; Great job. Great Video
Kind of a shame the Model 42 has the Cutts Compensator, utilitarian as it was. I have three Model 12s, including a 20 ga. made in 1913. Those were made with 25 inch barrels. I have my dad's 16 ga. Model 12 that he got as a Christmas present in 1936 when he was 16.
In the 80's I bought a front locking rotating bolt Winchester Ranger 12 gauge. Balance wasn't perfect but the thing ran perfectly. Interchangeable chokes too.
@thecinnabar8442 Thank you for getting back, we have been married 51 years have some collection, but not like yours. She recently purchased a Taurus 63 not the Winchester but still nice. We have the Marlin lever action 100 Anniversary 22 octagon barrel. We are binging on your videos today. Just watch the one with Winchester handguns never knew they made them.
@@thecinnabar8442 they sure are. I have only gone rabbit and pheasant hunting with the one. It’s a factory modified barrel. The one is a factory full. I am not sure what the other is. I haven’t located it yet.
I learned with a m1200. Has the safety forward of the trigger. Just naturally better in the field. Keep finger on safety, push, ready to fire. 870 with the safety rear of trigger way slower, and awkward. Bad design in my opinion.
Great show..really appreciated that..love 410 showing...thank you..D..
I love this video. Winchester shotguns are often forgotten history
Going from memory the major ammo problem for the 1893, and later the original Marlin 1898 and others, was that early smokeless powders in the US were hydroscopic. I've heard it wasn't uncommon to put a center column of black powder in the shell to make sure you got a full burn. Hence recoil locks were big until the end of WWI, then they started falling out of the market as the powder had improved.
Great info. Thanks for sharing, Othais!
I have a model 42 it was made in 1952 in very good condition great squirrel gun thanks for sharing with us.
Thanks Mark! A great video today featuring some awesome Winchester shotguns! Have a blessed week!!
The “Post 64” series of Model 12’s and Model 70’s functioned fine BUT aesthetically just different…heft-balance-metal to metal feel when working the actions were a change. In Southeastern Washington State during the late 50’s and 1960’s, upland bird hunting reigned at its best…cover, weather patterns, feed were prime with a once great state Department of Fish and Game at their peak in supporting feathered game animals. Being in the field on the Fall days with your dog and pre-64 Model 12 in hand made for lifelong memories…Nostalgia factor running at 100% 👍🏻 Big Green Remington saw an opening with the Post 64 Winchesters changes and the rest is history…the 870 became the selling king of slide actions and the pre 64 Winchesters became coveted.
I love this channel, something about these old firearm videos soothes my soul :)
I pick up a 97 few months ago.
Just a shooter C 225xxx.
Kids talking about the 97 in their video games.
I test fired the last paper cartridge in my stock, then new ammo. Handed over to the kids shooting skeet hit after hit 5 different shooters two boxes of clays. Then had a delay ignition or out of battery. Brass blew out the side.
This video is a huge nostalgia hit! 👍👍 My first shotgun was a takedown model 12 field grade in 16 gauge. No checkering, no rib, 28-inch full choke. It brought home its share of ducks, pheasants, grouse, and doves when I was a kid growing up in Oregon's Willamette Valley in the 1950s and 60s. It patterned best with 1 1/8 oz of #5 shot, so that's what I used on everything but doves, which I hunted using low brass Eleys with 1 oz of #9 shot.
I have my dad's similar 16 ga. Model 12. He got it in 1936, I think as a Christmas present when he turned 16.
Wow ,just awesome.
Very interesting I like pump action shotguns
That little 4/10 made me happy. My first shotgun was an old 42 standard from my grandpa. Unfortunately I always stored it at his house... I was 10. When he passed the gun ended up in an uncle's collection and then eventually sold to satisfy credit card debts.
What a shame! I hear stories like that all too often. Family guns should be cherished by those who want to keep them in the family.
Let us not forget Spencer created the first slide action shotgun in 1882, which became Bannerman in 1890 after they went bankrupt. Great video as allways!
Thanks Joseph! I didn't mean to insinuate that Winchester made the first slide action shotgun. I have an 1890 Spencer/Bannerman in the shop right now. One of these days, I'll take it out for a test run. 😉 When Winchester introduced the 1893, they had a patent fight with Spencer, who already held a patent on slide action shotguns.
No insinuation read, but many believe Winchester was the first.@@thecinnabar8442
Fun stuff, I love shotguns!
I finally completed my model 12 collection. 12ga,20ga,16ga,and I found a 28ga. And I have had a 42 since I was 12. 53 years ago. I've taken a lot of game with that model 42. Even quite a few geese and deer.
Congratulations on filling out your collection! I'd imagine it was pretty gratifying to find that 28 gauge.
That 28 ga. is RARE!
This is a treat to see these beautiful shotguns. Made my day! 🤠👍🏻
What an amazing collection of Winchester shotguns. I definitely want to see you fire that Winchester M1893 at some point. It doesn't get enough love in my opinion. It's completely overshadowed by the M1897. While it isn't the first ''successful'' pump action shotgun ever, since the Spencer M1882 deservers that title, it's still the first ever Winchester pump action shotgun.
Nice Shotguns Mark The Model 12 & 1897’s Are My Favorites 😀😇😀
Beautifully done. This kind of information if lost is a dis service to not only gun people but to others interested in the study of cause and effect as it relates to invention; Great job. Great Video
I've fired the 97 before. It is a great gun.
David Canterbury has a you tube channel that shows how to load black powder in high brass modern shells it's a little time consuming but it works
Those nice guns.i like my old Belgian A5. That's a Browning gun to.😊
really nice vid!!!
Thanks for another great video. My only request is more close ups please 😊
Kind of a shame the Model 42 has the Cutts Compensator, utilitarian as it was. I have three Model 12s, including a 20 ga. made in 1913. Those were made with 25 inch barrels. I have my dad's 16 ga. Model 12 that he got as a Christmas present in 1936 when he was 16.
Great video
I've got my grandfather's 1897.
In the 80's I bought a front locking rotating bolt Winchester Ranger 12 gauge. Balance wasn't perfect but the thing ran perfectly. Interchangeable chokes too.
I'm new to the channel, and i love it!
Wife and I love your videos. She really liked that little 410, we just subscribed.
Welcome aboard!
@thecinnabar8442 Thank you for getting back, we have been married 51 years have some collection, but not like yours. She recently purchased a Taurus 63 not the Winchester but still nice. We have the Marlin lever action 100 Anniversary 22 octagon barrel. We are binging on your videos today. Just watch the one with Winchester handguns never knew they made them.
If those old girls could talk.
I got a model 25 winchester
I’ve got several model 12/1912’s.
Congrats! They're wonderful old workhorses
@@thecinnabar8442 they sure are. I have only gone rabbit and pheasant hunting with the one. It’s a factory modified barrel. The one is a factory full. I am not sure what the other is. I haven’t located it yet.
Great job as always. Beautiful old guns and fantastic country. Was the 1897 available in a take - down model ?
Model 97s were take down but kinda a pain in the butt to get back together
@@Jeff-sl8xzThank you!
No m1911 widowmakers???
Just kidding. Very nice collection sir.
CAN YOU SHOW US TO TO USE REAR TOP TANG FOLDING TANG SIGHTS ?
Was the model 12 ever called model1912?
Yes, it was.
how about the 88
I just 💪💣👍🇺🇸
Model 12
I learned with a m1200. Has the safety forward of the trigger. Just naturally better in the field. Keep finger on safety, push, ready to fire.
870 with the safety rear of trigger way slower, and awkward. Bad design in my opinion.
Slide action? You mean a pump?
Was this really a serious question???🤣
Same thing.
I thought I was the only one who thought he was gonna show off a Burgess style slide action shotgun