D'angelo's role(Season 1) was based off being the youngest of a hierarchy. When he goes to the family gathering with Donette and his son... The look on D's face when String and Avon starts cracking at the little booger's face says it all... He is tired to follow orders, he is tired to be looked down upon, he is tired laughed at... He is tired of the game he was born into... Ziggy(Season 2), on the other hand, is the total opposite. "You wanted to be in the game... "
Chris Bauer, the guy who plays Frank was only 36 when this show was filmed, he just was 13 years older than the actor who played Ziggy. Some people are just born old.
according to wiki, he was born in 1957, the wire premiered in 2002, and he came on the 2nd season, arround 2003, i think he was arround 45/46 years old, but im not sure..wikipedia after all lol
I have never seen the actor playing Frank Sobotka in anything outside of The Wire, but his performance in this show is quite simply...perfection. He makes you believe every little thing about his character, just incredible incredible work. Probably my favorite Wire character.
He was also in an early episode of Criminal Minds as a schizo on a train, with the guy who played mayor Hale in SOA / the leader of the claimers group in TWD, as his hallucination. Heh.
When frank says "you're more like me than you know" with that deeply hurt expression. It hits me hard. Makes you wonder what Frank was like when he was young. If deep down he can relate to the way ziggy feels but his insecurity and hard exterior will never let it show. Now its too late and Frank has seen the worst version of himself in his own son. Powerful shit. This show is a masterpiece
His performance in The Wire always stands out to me given that James Ransone struggled with addiction and other similar issues in real life. And I agree he was great in GK.
Man I'm not gonna lie season 2 is when I quit watching the show but now seeing this scene maybe of should've kept watching. I think it was just the way they started seaosb 2 off with a entirely new cast in a different location on the docks it felt like a different show.
Richie was a complete psycho and had tremendous moxie for his size. He was also a made guy who did prison time and never ratted out anyone. He was not some wannabe gangster. Jackie Jr, AJ Soprano and Ziggy would be the three stooges.
You know who Ziggy reminds me of? Prez. Both were skinny dweebs in masculine jobs that they got via family. Both would fuck up whenever they tried to be macho or cool, and were disrespected by their peers. Both had plenty of brains that went underutilized (Ziggy actually had some good ideas when he wasn't acting up). Both torpedoed their lives by shooting someone. Of course, Prez got the opportunity to start over afterwards. Ziggy did not.
Caught this on last viewing. Don't think it's a coincidence we see Prez and Ziggy snapping at someone talking down to them in the same episode (S2E10).
Dude, this is some phenomenal acting. Ziggy went from being the most annoying characters, to now having us the viewers feeling bad for him. This show has to have hands down the best all around performances given by every cast member.
Reading down this thread gives me hope for humanity was expecting nasty comments about ziggy, but instead so much sympathy and empathy towards his character… really wish the world one day comes together
Because he’s white 🤓. Dee never got any of that sympathy. Anyways, Ziggy probably took sooo many long, thick black Baltimore dicks up his bootyhole between here and the shows end. Shit dropping out of his ass like a McFlurry machine. You know, when it isn’t “out of service”
He was annoying as hell but in the end is imposible not to love him. He was aware of his weakness and thus scene shows. He knows he's not as good as his father, he knows he is weak and stupid, but he's a genuinely a great guy and that's why we should root for him.
he is not stupid. He had some plots that actually could make him quite an effective thief, he was able to negotiate, he had a sense of humor. It's just his constant acting like a clown was his weakness so no one could take him seriously
@@Raphie009 Maybe it's a callback to Frank talking to his brother. How he ended up choosing a bad path for himself (with good intentions, but still a bad path, that got him killed, and somehow was responsible for Ziggy's outcome)
“You’re a Sabotka,” both lines are just heartbreaking when given the context of Frank and with what de’Angelo says about never being able to escape the pull of family crime and with the docks and high risers in particular it’s an even stronger pull when the world snuffs out any opportunity to raise yourself up out of that pull through legitimate means.
He was a tragic character from the very beginning. Weak, broken and unfortunately not very smart, who performs all of his antics because he's desperate, as all young men are, to prove his worth. Yes, it's funny to watch, but when The Wire makes you laugh, it's usually setting you up to get punched in the gut.
@@jeffrey3425 The thing is, I think Ziggy actually IS quite smart, and that's another thing that makes him tragic. He's reckless, impulsive, and utterly self-destructive, but he is not stupid. He's actually quite clever when it comes to criminal schemes. The car scheme was actually very smart, but again, his recklessness and impulsiveness ruins it and destroys him. I think it's quite possible that he suffers from an undiagnosed mental illness. But throughout the season, he shows an aptitude for technology. His arc mirrors Duquan's in that regard. Both show themselves to be tech savvy, but the world they were born into has no use for those skills. They are both small and weak, and are in the end destroyed by the merciless, predatory environments they inhabit. If either of them had any kind of lifeline, they could have had steady jobs and happy lives fixing computers or something. But as Duquan asks in season 4, "how do you get from here to the rest of the world?" And sadly for both of them, there is no answer. So they both end up in the only places this world has for them- Ziggy in prison, and Duquan a homeless heroin addict.
"i don't know...i got tired" goddam you just wanna hug him. what he did was wrong, but i totally empathize with him. a lot of us could easily be in his situation.
WLG1 Sad?! There is no nostalgia to this shit!! that's life nigga, one day you are on top of the world doing your thing, the next it can be all snatched away!
I would cry so hard if that was my son because I know his life will be an endless cycle of abuse and violence, and there would be nothing I could do about it.
I know that my dad would do anything to protect me. He's two inches shorter than me and looks like a clone of Stan Lee, and I know that he would put himself in harm's way to guarantee my safety. So even though I'm not a father I know exactly what Frank is thinking, standing at the door watching his son walk away, knowing what is going to happen to him and not being able to do a thing about it. As much as Frank's dreams for the union might have been shattered in Season 2, that was the moment his heart really broke: not being able to take care of his only boy. In a lot of ways, this is a horrible parallel to Season 4, in which Wee-Bey--the hardened criminal--gets to do the converse: from the prison side, he got to spare his son the sentence he was given, and give him what Frank wasn't able to give Ziggy. A fighting chance.
I didn't like Ziggy watching the show. I didn't like that he slept around, got drunk and never saved money, or that he behaved that obnoxiously or tried to act tougher than he was. But I kind of empathized with him to the extent that being picked on and ridiculed your whole life can really leave an impact on you. I could relate a little to Ziggy's reaction when Nick told Ziggy to say home when he was delivering the package (which was deserved, but it probably still made him feel useless). And his reaction in this scene is so unlike many characters in this show who find themselves in trouble. He has genuine remorse for what he did. He feels emotional pain in ways many people on this show don't, and it makes him a better person. (I think of Namond and Dukie in season 4 having that quality, and Bubbles throughout. Though Namond is particularly like Ziggy in terms of having to live up to a father's legacy and trying to pretend to be someone he's not.)
I hated Ziggy too but once that store shooting happened, it was a complete 180° for his character imo. He went from being one of the most unlikeable and obnoxious characters to being one of the most empathetic and human. It felt terrible seeing him walk into the prison cell with Frank knowing what prison was going to be for Ziggy for the rest of his life.
Jesus they went over the top of the guys in holding cell. Looked like the offensive line of a NFL team. Zig was a fuckup and a clown but you felt bad for him here. From the dialog seems like Mom was pretty jacked up and Dad was too concerned with taking care of the Union more than he did his family
Exactly. What has become of Ziggy is purely Frank's fault. Acting like a clown was Zig's way to attract people's attention, to be a cool man.. Like with the duck.. Frank was always more concerned about the Union than what is happening to his son. Ziggy is a very sad character.
Quaima Boylan chances are he took life without parole. First degree murder of Double G and attempted murder of the kid. Plus, the stealing of the cars with attempt to sell off.
@@ingvarvd5885 all the workers at the dock acted a fool. Drinking. Doing shady shit. Ziggy tried to mimic that to impress his dad and his other family.
“You’re more like me than you know” Frank giving Ziggy praise is all Ziggy wanted. Especially when Dolores says “Your Dads a Good Man Zig” I don’t care what anyone says …Frank was a GOOD GUY who got in bed with BAD PEOPLE for the RIGHT REASONS…. Poor Frank Man ..that could have been me. I don’t think I would have walked away and let my men starve knowing they have families. ESPECIALLY if they were good to me!
Season 2 messed a lot of people up because they thought the show was gonna become “white” lol. It was showing us all angles of the game not just your local street corner
I always think how must that feel as a father watching your boy be swallowed up in a sea of the huge criminal thugs and there’s nothing he can do about it. Tragic.
@@answerman9933of course he could have been helped, this scene clearly shows his dad wasn't really involved and was focused on the union and his mom is on pills and sleeps all day if you don't that had a massive impact on his life than you know very little about human psychology
Damn. Those guys in that room looked like they were about to turn him out. Handsome skinny and small white guy. He might as well have changed his name to food. I feel sorry for him 😢
Mainly cause of Frank. Inside he is dying. With Ziggy yeah it is DEPRESSING. The kid was on his way to abuse and getting beat on on the daily. A kid like him would never make it. He would either kill himself or get killed. It's that simple. Meaner and tougher and bigger guys have been made bitches in prison. Ziggy was FUUUUUCKED.
Lol, damn did they have some Ravens OL men in that holding cell. Took me a second watching but Ziggy is really a tragic character. Frank needed to tend to his family a little more than the Union.
He wanted to leave something for his son and potential grandson's. Season 2 is about how the working class have been sold out. Even tried to di it the legal way through "lobbying". Ultimately his Union is caught in Catch 22 situation.
@@harrycahill2140 no he's serving life without parole that's why ziggy said "fucked is what I am" in this scene he knew it was over for him and what ziggy didn't know was he also wound up costing frank his life
Can someone please explain to me what happening to Ziggy from 2:59 -3:07 when he went back into room with the other men in which they gathered around Ziggy............I'm assuming that he being bitched and I'm using that word mildly.
It is unlikely a guy would be raped in a county holding cell like that in this day and age. Years ago, yes (wikipedia Donnie the Punk.) But he was probably being beaten and robbed for their amusement.
The thing is, I'm not sure if that would really happen to Ziggy in prison. On one side it would because Ziggy is the type of guy who won't shut up and will be a target for getting bullied. But on the other hand, murderers are top of the food chain in prisons especially since he committed the "right" type of murder.
Michael I agree that his crime would give him status, but he just has the look and carries himself like a punk. Physically and emotionally weak guys like him get targeted
AZDuffman This is when it's beneficial for characters from The Wire to watch Oz. I think the trick is to walk with an angry pissed off look on your face, because the number one rule is to not show fear.
Ziggy and his Father is a good example of "Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times." Ziggy got spoiled and never had it rough enough to learn to think before to act. He had to go to prison to learn life.
Pretty dumb scene. Like it matters if Ziggy is “more like Frank than he knows” after he fuc-king killed a guy. Then again, I guess that shows how delusional of a father Frank really was.
I doubt it, Murders get instant "street credibility".......if anything they left him alone. In addition to that Ziggy had abolutly nothing to loose if he killed someone else. His punchline days were over.
@@Buildsolarhomes He definitely wasn't being left alone though. Notice what they say in the beginning. Frank: "Cops did that to you?" (referring to his bloody lip and bruises) Ziggy: "Nah." *points at inmates*
I know this comment is a year old, but I’d like to disagree. Ziggy doesn’t look tough, and in prison they will always test you to see if you are as tough as a murderer should be. He wont pass the test and thus he will get picked on.
@@ogdaedae5946or that line he crossed may of turned into cold and mean bastard. He may not be able to outfight them but if they have to worry about a vindictive little man constantly thinking about revenge they might just leave him alone
The way Ziggy disappears amongst the other criminals and Frank can only look on is heartbreaking. It visually symbolises that he has lost him forever
Also a pretty on-the-nose representation of what's going to happen to Ziggy in there, and how Frank can't protect him
"Fucked is what I am."
ye better believe it sonny jim.
Already happened.@@final_animal
Frank just gained a daughter.
That feeling of becoming self aware after it’s too late
Too many times this shit done happened to me
When ziggy said "tired being the punchline of every joke" I really felt that.
D'angelo's role(Season 1) was based off being the youngest of a hierarchy. When he goes to the family gathering with Donette and his son... The look on D's face when String and Avon starts cracking at the little booger's face says it all... He is tired to follow orders, he is tired to be looked down upon, he is tired laughed at... He is tired of the game he was born into... Ziggy(Season 2), on the other hand, is the total opposite. "You wanted to be in the game... "
@@unlock07 damn never thought of both of them together. One thing that they had in common was both D’Angelo and Ziggy had a tragic ending.
Geek
@@21thavage57 nigga you’re black stfu.
@@skipbayless557 😂 black and proud
Chris Bauer, the guy who plays Frank was only 36 when this show was filmed, he just was 13 years older than the actor who played Ziggy. Some people are just born old.
wow that is amazing.. I know a guy that looks like him and he is around the same age
For real. Is this facts. Why am I asking you I have Google. I'll be back
Idris Elba was a year younger than Larry Gilliard Jr. who played D'Angelo yet Idris played the kingpin and D'Angelo the young soldier.
according to wiki, he was born in 1957, the wire premiered in 2002, and he came on the 2nd season, arround 2003, i think he was arround 45/46 years old, but im not sure..wikipedia after all lol
@@csolisv It says he was born in 1966, I think.
I have never seen the actor playing Frank Sobotka in anything outside of The Wire, but his performance in this show is quite simply...perfection. He makes you believe every little thing about his character, just incredible incredible work. Probably my favorite Wire character.
he works in the new david simon´s show The Deuce,he also worked in true blood and 8mm,great film
Dan Friedman Ziggy is a pretty good actor, too.
Dan Friedman He had a pretty major role in Generation Kill. And he did a great job.
He was also in an early episode of Criminal Minds as a schizo on a train, with the guy who played mayor Hale in SOA / the leader of the claimers group in TWD, as his hallucination. Heh.
Sheriff Bellefleur in True Blood is how I saw this actor for the first time. He’s fantastic.
1:24 "It was all work, Zig, even when it wasn't" What a powerful phrase.
The delivery gives me chills I understand why people say frank is the best acted character
screwed up his whole family because of his work. Including brother and nephew
When frank says "you're more like me than you know" with that deeply hurt expression. It hits me hard. Makes you wonder what Frank was like when he was young. If deep down he can relate to the way ziggy feels but his insecurity and hard exterior will never let it show. Now its too late and Frank has seen the worst version of himself in his own son. Powerful shit. This show is a masterpiece
James Ransone delivered beautifully as Ziggy, and this scene is one of the best performances I've seen on TV.
His performance in The Wire always stands out to me given that James Ransone struggled with addiction and other similar issues in real life. And I agree he was great in GK.
He really did! It's especially interesting that Chris Bauer is only 13 years older than him, but they play a father and son so believably.
Good actor ..hard to to imagine he was sexually abused as a child
This scene always terrifies me . Imagine seeing your son being sent to a den of lions and knowing you had a role to play in it. Devastating.
He’s incredible in everything I have seen him in. In Generation Kill he’s the best member in the entire group. Just an amazing actor
one of the saddest most poetic scene of the show
I felt so sorry for Frank watching his son walk right back into the spider web.
Im black and I say you: season two and all that white people stories was a masterpiece.
Fake news. Worst season by far.
I'm Irish and I agree.
@@bankortimor8488 Season 5 was the worst by a distance. Seasons 1, 2, 3 and 4 were all master pieces.
Season 2 was dealing with the working man, so it felt a little more real for the majority of America
Man I'm not gonna lie season 2 is when I quit watching the show but now seeing this scene maybe of should've kept watching. I think it was just the way they started seaosb 2 off with a entirely new cast in a different location on the docks it felt like a different show.
this was such a brutal mini story arc
You know who liked arcs? Noah and Joe Peeps
You wanted to be in the game now you're in the game
Dam thats a good one who u think got it worse orlando or ziggy
Ziggy's acting way too underrated!!!
i wanna see a mafia crew composed of ziggy, AJ soprano, and jacky "outta respect fo ma faatha" aprile.
"the three stoges crew"
LOL richie would have them whacked within a week
@FE Gaming that'd make more sense lol
No signs of makings of varsity lettermen...
One of those guys is not like the others.
Richie was a complete psycho and had tremendous moxie for his size. He was also a made guy who did prison time and never ratted out anyone. He was not some wannabe gangster.
Jackie Jr, AJ Soprano and Ziggy would be the three stooges.
You know who Ziggy reminds me of? Prez.
Both were skinny dweebs in masculine jobs that they got via family. Both would fuck up whenever they tried to be macho or cool, and were disrespected by their peers. Both had plenty of brains that went underutilized (Ziggy actually had some good ideas when he wasn't acting up). Both torpedoed their lives by shooting someone.
Of course, Prez got the opportunity to start over afterwards. Ziggy did not.
Prez was not a skinny dweeb. And he was nobody's b***h and much more confident.
Caught this on last viewing. Don't think it's a coincidence we see Prez and Ziggy snapping at someone talking down to them in the same episode (S2E10).
Dude, this is some phenomenal acting. Ziggy went from being the most annoying characters, to now having us the viewers feeling bad for him. This show has to have hands down the best all around performances given by every cast member.
I never felt bad for him 😂
Frank Sobotka was my favorite character. This scene in particular got me in the heart.
"It was all work Zig', even when it wasn't" is a powerful statement perfectly encapsulating how important Frank's purpose was to him
Reading down this thread gives me hope for humanity was expecting nasty comments about ziggy, but instead so much sympathy and empathy towards his character… really wish the world one day comes together
Because the state of humanity is measured by the comments on UA-cam 😂😂
Because he’s white 🤓. Dee never got any of that sympathy. Anyways, Ziggy probably took sooo many long, thick black Baltimore dicks up his bootyhole between here and the shows end. Shit dropping out of his ass like a McFlurry machine. You know, when it isn’t “out of service”
@@deadbeetdad yeah that guy is very naive
The wire just has a good demographic lol
Ziggy was an idiot who will get what he deserves.
A lot to unpack here but “fucked is what I am.” Def hit me hard
He was annoying as hell but in the end is imposible not to love him. He was aware of his weakness and thus scene shows. He knows he's not as good as his father, he knows he is weak and stupid, but he's a genuinely a great guy and that's why we should root for him.
at the same time, his father somehow was to blame for Ziggy's outcome, even though his intentions were good...
@@raulsouza5866 i agree.
i imagine ziggy gets turned the fuck out in prison, hes the closest thing to a woman in there
and i bet he would learn to love it
watching him get done over and over again I thought Ziggy go home this aint for you
he is not stupid. He had some plots that actually could make him quite an effective thief, he was able to negotiate, he had a sense of humor.
It's just his constant acting like a clown was his weakness so no one could take him seriously
I loved the tone of this season. I would like to see more like this
“Youre more like me than you know”
Damn
I still don't know what that means.
@@Raphie009 Maybe it's a callback to Frank talking to his brother. How he ended up choosing a bad path for himself (with good intentions, but still a bad path, that got him killed, and somehow was responsible for Ziggy's outcome)
“You’re a Sabotka,” both lines are just heartbreaking when given the context of Frank and with what de’Angelo says about never being able to escape the pull of family crime and with the docks and high risers in particular it’s an even stronger pull when the world snuffs out any opportunity to raise yourself up out of that pull through legitimate means.
Ziggy's arc sure ended on a depressing note.
And he was the goofy comic-relief character.
He was a tragic character from the very beginning. Weak, broken and unfortunately not very smart, who performs all of his antics because he's desperate, as all young men are, to prove his worth. Yes, it's funny to watch, but when The Wire makes you laugh, it's usually setting you up to get punched in the gut.
@@jeffrey3425 The thing is, I think Ziggy actually IS quite smart, and that's another thing that makes him tragic. He's reckless, impulsive, and utterly self-destructive, but he is not stupid. He's actually quite clever when it comes to criminal schemes. The car scheme was actually very smart, but again, his recklessness and impulsiveness ruins it and destroys him. I think it's quite possible that he suffers from an undiagnosed mental illness.
But throughout the season, he shows an aptitude for technology. His arc mirrors Duquan's in that regard. Both show themselves to be tech savvy, but the world they were born into has no use for those skills. They are both small and weak, and are in the end destroyed by the merciless, predatory environments they inhabit. If either of them had any kind of lifeline, they could have had steady jobs and happy lives fixing computers or something. But as Duquan asks in season 4, "how do you get from here to the rest of the world?" And sadly for both of them, there is no answer. So they both end up in the only places this world has for them- Ziggy in prison, and Duquan a homeless heroin addict.
"i don't know...i got tired"
goddam you just wanna hug him. what he did was wrong, but i totally empathize with him. a lot of us could easily be in his situation.
He's not gonna get much sleep
season two is too sad.
There isn't really a happy season of The Wire
Austin Boylan LOL I know right!! They are all fuckin tragic as tragic can get.
WLG1 Sad?! There is no nostalgia to this shit!! that's life nigga, one day you are on top of the world doing your thing, the next it can be all snatched away!
jakep1979 stfu
MatchesMalone I’ll snatch your life away boi remember that
I would cry so hard if that was my son because I know his life will be an endless cycle of abuse and violence, and there would be nothing I could do about it.
Seasons 2 and 4 are The Wires premium seasons.
I know that my dad would do anything to protect me. He's two inches shorter than me and looks like a clone of Stan Lee, and I know that he would put himself in harm's way to guarantee my safety. So even though I'm not a father I know exactly what Frank is thinking, standing at the door watching his son walk away, knowing what is going to happen to him and not being able to do a thing about it.
As much as Frank's dreams for the union might have been shattered in Season 2, that was the moment his heart really broke: not being able to take care of his only boy.
In a lot of ways, this is a horrible parallel to Season 4, in which Wee-Bey--the hardened criminal--gets to do the converse: from the prison side, he got to spare his son the sentence he was given, and give him what Frank wasn't able to give Ziggy. A fighting chance.
Actually Frank started plotting the way to spare Ziggy from prison the moment he got out of there. Went straight to the FBI
Ziggy and his dad in this scene was great
I didn't like Ziggy watching the show. I didn't like that he slept around, got drunk and never saved money, or that he behaved that obnoxiously or tried to act tougher than he was.
But I kind of empathized with him to the extent that being picked on and ridiculed your whole life can really leave an impact on you. I could relate a little to Ziggy's reaction when Nick told Ziggy to say home when he was delivering the package (which was deserved, but it probably still made him feel useless).
And his reaction in this scene is so unlike many characters in this show who find themselves in trouble. He has genuine remorse for what he did. He feels emotional pain in ways many people on this show don't, and it makes him a better person. (I think of Namond and Dukie in season 4 having that quality, and Bubbles throughout. Though Namond is particularly like Ziggy in terms of having to live up to a father's legacy and trying to pretend to be someone he's not.)
I hated Ziggy too but once that store shooting happened, it was a complete 180° for his character imo. He went from being one of the most unlikeable and obnoxious characters to being one of the most empathetic and human. It felt terrible seeing him walk into the prison cell with Frank knowing what prison was going to be for Ziggy for the rest of his life.
Jesus they went over the top of the guys in holding cell. Looked like the offensive line of a NFL team. Zig was a fuckup and a clown but you felt bad for him here. From the dialog seems like Mom was pretty jacked up and Dad was too concerned with taking care of the Union more than he did his family
Jay Reffner do u know how long ziggy went to jail?
Exactly. What has become of Ziggy is purely Frank's fault. Acting like a clown was Zig's way to attract people's attention, to be a cool man.. Like with the duck.. Frank was always more concerned about the Union than what is happening to his son. Ziggy is a very sad character.
IngvarVd do u know how long ziggy went to prison?
Quaima Boylan chances are he took life without parole. First degree murder of Double G and attempted murder of the kid. Plus, the stealing of the cars with attempt to sell off.
@@ingvarvd5885 all the workers at the dock acted a fool. Drinking. Doing shady shit. Ziggy tried to mimic that to impress his dad and his other family.
“You’re more like me than you know” Frank giving Ziggy praise is all Ziggy wanted. Especially when Dolores says “Your Dads a Good Man Zig” I don’t care what anyone says …Frank was a GOOD GUY who got in bed with BAD PEOPLE for the RIGHT REASONS…. Poor Frank Man ..that could have been me. I don’t think I would have walked away and let my men starve knowing they have families. ESPECIALLY if they were good to me!
Prisoner Number 03S332, Ziggy Sobotka. Convicted September 13, 2003. Double Homicide. Sentence, 90 years. Up for parole in 25.
Season 2 messed a lot of people up because they thought the show was gonna become “white” lol. It was showing us all angles of the game not just your local street corner
I always think how must that feel as a father watching your boy be swallowed up in a sea of the huge criminal thugs and there’s nothing he can do about it. Tragic.
Omg thts 20 something james! He looks to be shaggy from scooby-doo 😅 here after seeing as eddie from IT 2
"youre a sobotka, " fuck me i love this scene. The whole show is fantastic, but for some reason this scene stands out in my head.
Season 2 was amazing !!!
Frank thought of/treated the union more like a son than poor Ziggy.
Exactly. Father of the year...
Yup
Ziggy was a waste. Nothing could have helped him.
@@answerman9933of course he could have been helped, this scene clearly shows his dad wasn't really involved and was focused on the union and his mom is on pills and sleeps all day if you don't that had a massive impact on his life than you know very little about human psychology
It was like watching a minnow being released into a tank of piranha.
Season 2 make all the other seasons make sense... they are all connected.. one of my favorite seasons
Ziggy better PC up unless he wants his cheeks busted. Just ask big hurc.
Wigsplitter gang unite. Big Hurc is the homie!
Ziggy always made me think of a fucked up version of Jeff Buckley, not sure why.
+Magik Malick Haha yeah he really does look like him! If there was ever a biopic he'd definitely be my first choice.
@@questomontisanto4745 emphasis on fucked up and way less good looking lol so no
That has to be an awful feeling seeing your kid walk back into that holding cell.
crushed. there goes my good mood
Bruh the inmates were looking at him already like there goes my bitch
Touching story
Damn. Those guys in that room looked like they were about to turn him out. Handsome skinny and small white guy. He might as well have changed his name to food. I feel sorry for him 😢
Zig was such a fuck up but man this was still hard to watch
Mainly cause of Frank. Inside he is dying. With Ziggy yeah it is DEPRESSING. The kid was on his way to abuse and getting beat on on the daily. A kid like him would never make it. He would either kill himself or get killed. It's that simple. Meaner and tougher and bigger guys have been made bitches in prison. Ziggy was FUUUUUCKED.
Lol, damn did they have some Ravens OL men in that holding cell. Took me a second watching but Ziggy is really a tragic character. Frank needed to tend to his family a little more than the Union.
They always do that in jail scenes in films/cinema. Everybody in prison is 6'6" 300lbs lol.
He wanted to leave something for his son and potential grandson's. Season 2 is about how the working class have been sold out. Even tried to di it the legal way through "lobbying". Ultimately his Union is caught in Catch 22 situation.
2:59 „STOUT. Baltimore Hardcore“ t-shirt. ☺️ Good band!
Never there for him and then when he really wants to be there to protect him for the first time, there's nothing he can do.
i like how there's a guy just ominously staring through shaded glass into the room lol
Isn't that the cop patrolling visitors?
You can tell the actor playing Frank is holding back tears. I don't know how he's doing that.
Good actor
The moment frank lost his son. But gained a daughter!😂😂😂
Prison rape isnt funny tho, its pretty damn serious shit
Ziggy said it best of his current condition...."f*****d is what I am".
The clown is usually the one who is hiding the most pain. Robin Williams is the best example of this.
Even now, based off of comments on other vids, Zig is completely misunderstood
Yeah, people fail to relate to one of the most relatable characters
They should make a show about Ziggy's life in the pen.
It wouldn't be a show it'd be a porno.
Ziggy was a str8 man child smh spent the whole season trying to be something he wasn't... all the way to the penitentiary....
Bruh…So many dead bodies in between Marlo and Avon, and Avon never even saw him before.
I bet Ziggy became a hanger if not beaten to death.
Cousin Nick negotiated him a minimum security prison by turning state witness. He was fine, probably paroled after 12 years.
@@harrycahill2140 no he's serving life without parole that's why ziggy said "fucked is what I am" in this scene he knew it was over for him and what ziggy didn't know was he also wound up costing frank his life
You could've come to me, Ziggy!
the actor that plays frank is amazing, i love his character too he really seemed like a bro but he got his hands a little too dirty i suppose
I hope It: Chapter Two drives a couple people to watch The Wire for Ziggy.
is it worthy? what is it about?
Frank was too busy greasing the union, instead of being aware of what was happening in his son's life.
If Frank needed help greasing the union, he should have sought the help of Vito Spatafor up north in New Jersey.
Can someone please explain to me what happening to Ziggy from 2:59 -3:07 when he went back into room with the
other men in which they gathered around Ziggy............I'm assuming that he being bitched and I'm using that word mildly.
It is unlikely a guy would be raped in a county holding cell like that in this day and age. Years ago, yes (wikipedia Donnie the Punk.) But he was probably being beaten and robbed for their amusement.
The thing is, I'm not sure if that would really happen to Ziggy in prison. On one side it would because Ziggy is the type of guy who won't shut up and will be a target for getting bullied. But on the other hand, murderers are top of the food chain in prisons especially since he committed the "right" type of murder.
Michael
I agree that his crime would give him status, but he just has the look and carries himself like a punk. Physically and emotionally weak guys like him get targeted
AZDuffman This is when it's beneficial for characters from The Wire to watch Oz. I think the trick is to walk with an angry pissed off look on your face, because the number one rule is to not show fear.
He disappeared in the cans
Dope ass stout shirt @ 3:02
Saw the thumbnail and thought it was a Jeff Buckley live performance video 😂😂
“For the Union” they sacrifice
Zig would be 48 when he's up for parole.
How long was he sentenced?
Ziggy ends up getting his father killed... Just a bad seed, eh..
ziggy better join DMI ;)
HONESTO UNO Dead Man Inc.
Ziggy isn't cut out for that lol they'd keep him around for dummy missions & to keeps everyone's canteen full 😂😂😂
Fucked, is what I am!
Jeff Buckley?
Ziggy and his Father is a good example of "Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times."
Ziggy got spoiled and never had it rough enough to learn to think before to act.
He had to go to prison to learn life.
Unions were the lively hood 1:10
I wonder if Ziggy has made any new friends in prison. 🤔
Ziggys whole thing was being disrespected. He hated that more than anything. Well, guess what his life is gonna be like in prison lol
Frank was lying to himself off of the name because he was living a lie.
A decilos
Someone gave him bad advice.
Pretty dumb scene.
Like it matters if Ziggy is “more like Frank than he knows” after he fuc-king killed a guy.
Then again, I guess that shows how delusional of a father Frank really was.
Dumb scene why? Frank was attempting to console his son, there really is nothing you can say in that situation that would make it better.
Ziggy probably offed himself once he got word Frank got killed
not only did he get killed, but he got killed trying to help ziggy get out of jail.
Im pretty sure Ziggy got his cheeks busted
Y'all some big herc watching mufuccas
@Salah the Diver The inmates are like a pack of wolves, they smell your fear you're done for.
ASAP
I doubt it, Murders get instant "street credibility".......if anything they left him alone. In addition to that Ziggy had abolutly nothing to loose if he killed someone else. His punchline days were over.
@@Buildsolarhomes He definitely wasn't being left alone though. Notice what they say in the beginning.
Frank: "Cops did that to you?" (referring to his bloody lip and bruises)
Ziggy: "Nah." *points at inmates*
Ziggy has so much build up sad now he threw his life away
I wonder what ziggy does to survive prison??
Quaima Boylan Blow the black bone.
Midnight was coming know how use you hands nope your on clock bitch
No chance he survives. Dead man walking
He probably doesn't; single white guy, frail, no gang , people would take runs at him n st because he is vulnerable
Quaima Boylan he probably just get beaten and rape I mean look at him he’s like 5 foot with no muscle plus he’s serving life
Lmao Ziggy gonna get his cheeks busted
lol
That's not really funny.
@@loon0493 Oh yes it is
Ziggy really was stupid
He was a joke…
Just from personal experience, I feel the part of Ziggy getting picked on is inaccurate. Murderers are top of the food chain in prison.
Literally the only hope ziggy has is to find whatever AB are in that jail and put in work
I know this comment is a year old, but I’d like to disagree.
Ziggy doesn’t look tough, and in prison they will always test you to see if you are as tough as a murderer should be.
He wont pass the test and thus he will get picked on.
@@ogdaedae5946or that line he crossed may of turned into cold and mean bastard. He may not be able to outfight them but if they have to worry about a vindictive little man constantly thinking about revenge they might just leave him alone
Why was Ziggy so damn weak? Frank sure as hell wasnt. Was it he was babied by mommy? Some ppl are just weak man. They are......