Gretsch Duo Jet Pickup Comparison - Stock Filter'Tron vs TV Jones Classic Bridge and Neck
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Waste of time and money Try a different amp like a fender or vox. Try a compressor pedal adjust your eq on amp and guitar before you butcher a guitar and waste money. Practice more too. Tone is in the fingers. When you get better you can coax tone better with touch. Pick choice. Attack etc. I hate all you UA-cam nerds who think buying new pickups is the answer. No one cares.
Without us nerds you’d still be entertaining yourself with MySpace. Thanks for all the great tone tips that we never knew about.
how about you show us your amazing tones and fingers then. easy to sit behind a monitor and be a smartass.
By the time most people have become a gigging/recording musician we are working on the last few percentage points of our sound, it is subtle but customized parts can change our instruments audibly to our demanding trained ears. It is more odd in the ranks of professional players to find a musician who has never modded their guitars in some way, look at all the custom guitars that have been created by the top tier players, they all want a sound they imagine in their heads which most stock off the guitar store wall guitars don’t deliver without some changes. The Beatles, Jeff Beck, Jimmy Page, Eddie Van Halen, to name just some well known players all did things to change their instruments to fit their desired tones. Good technique and amp settings are part of the equation but the instrument is a large part of it too. You can’t make a ukulele sound like a banjo or the reverse no matter how skilled you are, that’s why they both exist.
Some good points. Thanks for taking the time to respond here.
Wow did this take me back twenty years to posting on guitar forums and battling it out with other 14 year olds.
Such a great way to set out a demo and comparison thank you!
Now this is how a pickup comparison should be done! Great!!!
Great Video. So nice to hear how the Pickups sound with both Chord work and some lead picking. Great Job.
Glad to help out
Thanks for this video! This is exactly what I've been looking for.
Thanks for the comparison! Really well made! Your tone and playing are nice. This helped me make up my mind what to choose. Putting together a tele with filtertrons and bigsby.
I actually prefer the Filter’trons, particularly the way they overdrive. Thanks for this comparison.
Yep they both are very close and capable of great tone.
Agreed 👍
They do sound good by themselves, but the tv Jones will sound better in a mix. The low crunch of the filtertrons will be lost in the mid mud.
Thanks for putting in the effort to make this demo, really well thought-out and easy to make direct comparisons. More similar than different, methinks, but the TV Jones seem to push the top end a little harder. Both sets sound more compressed than I would want, but that's the nature of Filter'Trons I suppose. I have the TV Jone T90 and a Blacktop Broad'Tron in a little Jet that I like to kick around, but the neck overpowers the bridge by quite a lot. Thinking about this Classic set that you have here, seems to balance better and retain more of the Gretsch sound. Thanks again for the demo!
I’ve been playing this a lot lately and it’s really becoming something special. I didn’t get much time on the stock pickups so it’s hard for even me to speak on comparisons directly as sounds can be hard to translate in these demos but overall I’m enjoying the guitar more.
I just got a Gretsch G6119T Tennessee Rose. Was thinking of switching the High Sensitive Filtertrons for TV Jones Classics. Not after watching your great demonstration.
Thanks for saving me $300 !!!
Chuck
yep...kind of wish that I would have seen my own video. There is a difference but probably not enough to spend the money
Many thanks - a very useful video. I was considering messing with my Duo-Jet but your video has done all the hard work through this comparison. Individually, I liked the sound of the Bridge TV Classic (Chime) and Neck Filter'Tron (Jazzy) when played finger style. Yet on paper, I would have gone the other way around, your video has let me hear the difference - excellent video comparison - appreciated.
Thanks for watching! Glad it could help you...in either direction. I made it for that reason. For myself as well as others that were considering buying them. May or may not be worth the swap for some folks.
Awesome comparison. I’m thinking if getting this for worship too and the TV Jones looks like a winner.
Great video. To my ears, they are very similar with only slight differences. Both sound good 👍🏼
Nice comparison thanks!
Great video, bro… That subtle difference is what allows those TV Jones classic pickups to cut through live & recorded mixes. Layered with delay & reverb, they sound incredible & unmatched.
Also, not only are they a little brighter and have more bite, but they also have a more pronounced/ punchier low end.
Good observations and thoughts. Yes, sometimes these demos don’t reveal the differences up front and it’s only when you use them on your own that you can make the call on the differences.
Very helpful video.... thanks for posting this..... loved it!
You’re welcome!
Excellent comparison video. Very well done.
Thank you!
Thank you for putting the time in on this video, this sort of comparison is really beneficial. I like the stock set, but I preferred the Classics: they have more midrange and more high end sparkle, they sound awesome in a Jet/Penguin, would love to compare to TV Jones Ray Butts set
Thank you for the exact comparison I needed. It's just a matter of taste I guess, but I actually prefer the filtertrons.
The TV Jones had a little more sparkle or ping on the high strings!! Thanks for the demo
Welcome!!
Praise God brother. Thanks for sharin’!
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Great demo brother
Thank you 🙏
Great demo, thanks a lot. Hard choice between those, but both an improvement on my Jet Electromatic. Thing I’ve found though, with the stock electromatic pickups being not very strong, and a bit dull, is that one has to run one’s amp hotter and brighter, which actually brings a different kind of goodness. So…hmmmmm. Anyway…thanks again.
Nice demo! This is helpful. Recently picked up a used 6128T-59...assumed it had TVs, but indeed it has the Gretsch US PAT, which seem a bit dull. Those TVs certainly have more sparkle.
Side note...did you remove your knobs?
Good stuff! Thanks for sharing.
It's good to have comparisons especially when I looked everywhere for this particular demo....never found one that fit what I was looking for, so maybe someone else will get some use out of it when trying to decide.
I just got the Gretsch Filtertrons brand new for $150 as a set. I thought about getting the TV Jones that everyone is raving about but don’t hear a $150 difference in the set.
Thanks for this video, you just saved me $$$!
Yep I agree with you!
@@GregSummersMusic how do you feel about the switch now?
I’m fine with having them but if I would have seen my own video I probably would have kept the filtertrons. Just not enough of a difference to justify the cost. They are a tad clearer to me but I may have been able to eq that on the amp side. This guitar is getting sold soon anyway. I don’t play it much. It’s nice and sounds good but not my regular player.
@@GregSummersMusic dang! Well thanks for taking one for the team. Are you listing it on Reverb?
@@DustinKoch Probably not...for now. Their fees are getting higher. Will list on marketplace first or private sale on some of the facebook groups. If you have someone that is looking for one, let me know. They can hit me up on facebook messenger
They both sound great to me!
I did that same pickup swap to a 80's Falcon I had and there was an immediate and fairly dramatic improvement in clarity with the TVJs. I could hear a noticeable improvement in clarity with them in this video as well, although not as dramatic of a difference as on my Falcon. Perhaps the longer scale length of the Falcon played a part in the notable difference.
The TVJs would be my preference for the Gretsch shown here as well.
I was hoping for a little more clarity here but there’s still a slight improvement although I’m not sure I would spend the money again in this case. I’m not playing this guitar a lot. This will most likely go up for sale soon.
Many thanks for doing this.
You are welcome!
To my ears they're just slightly different, but non sounds better than the other, they both sound good. Thanks for posting. These pickups do make me thing of these MFD G&L pups but a bit les bite while keeping a nice crystal clean sound which is appreciable.
Yep. Agreed 👍🏼
Great vid. Some parts are barely noticeable, but at the end, the HS filtertrons had more chime, while the classics were a lot warmer with a high end roll off. Taking off some shrillness. Also, those are HS Filtertrons, not regular blacktop FTs.
This was exactly the video I needed! I enjoy my filtertrons but wondered if something like TV Jones would be a suitable upgrade, happy to stick with my stocks after hearing this. Thanks!
Glad to help save you some money ;-)
Filtertrons win, hands down. 👍👍👍
Thank you so much for this video Greg, you really saved me money, time and hassle! As I can see it’s not like a huge and immediate difference changing the stocks to tv jones classics. I wondered for a long time if I should upgrade those to tv classics but I heard from your very nice comparison that the difference is so subtle and I bet no one can tell the difference in a mix. If you have a chance try Brian Setzer pickups from tv jones, i have them and those make huge difference because of their mid focused tight bass response and overall punch. They say they are tv classics on steroids. But again it won’t be a night and day difference because those gretsch filtertrons are already great sounding pickups.
Glad to save you some money. I didn’t get much time on the stock ones and another comment here said there a bigger difference that needed to be felt while playing. It’s been a while but it seems I remember that same sentiment but in this video it is very subtle.
As a hobby player with a new Anniversary Gretsch, I love the stock pickups (much more chime, sparkle and power than the Electromatic pickups). I was wondering how much "better" or how different the TV Jones pickups would be. Afterall, I just payed top dollar for a pro model Gretsch. Why would I want to upgrade anything. To my ear the difference is rather minor and I love the "openess" of the stock pickups better myself. They are so open sound that I am sure with some tone control and pedals you could get them to sound more TV like if you wanted. Thanks for providing this demo.
Yep glad to help. I agree with your assessment here. I was expecting a bigger difference but it wasn’t much.
I prefer the detail in the TV Jones. Excellent demo btw.
Excellent. Thank you!
The difference is nearly negligible. If I heard them 30 seconds apart instead of back to back, there's no way I could tell the difference. There were definitely a couple specific riffs where the TV Jones shown through a little clearer, but...only barely. I plan on buying a TV Jones Classic set for my G5232T in a month or two. I'd probably be perfectly happy with either.
Yep agreed here. If I had it to do over again I probably would have just kept the stock Filtertrons. Not sure if the extra cost was worth how close these were to each other.
don't quite get that. you hardly hear the difference. going to 'upgrade' anyway.
Great video thanks. I recently acquired a 6119T made in Japan and I did find the pickups (filtertons) not sparkly and jangly enough.....looks like TV Jones are what I need. Cheers!
It's not night and day but I do like the TV Jones.
The TV JONES had a noticeable more spark...the best sounding Pickup I've ever heard.. but I've never seen it live.
Someday I hope I can afford it, it's a little pricey living here in the remote North East India.
Yes I do like them as well. Not sure if the difference in tone was worth the price though. The stock pickups sound great as well. Hope you are able to get some of them soon as well. Thanks for commenting!
I like both… if you took your time to adjust the pole screws you could make them identical. I’m installing tv classics in a 67 fender Coronado but I would have been happy with either pickup. I just need a Gretsch style guitar to add to the fold
👍👍👍
I realise that this vid is years old, but it's the best comparison I've found for these pickups. Both sound good. FWIW, I've gone from stock pickups to boutique back to stock more than once. IME, most boutique have hyped top end that is initially impressive - apparent clarity - but this emphasis invariably means a loss of lower mids, which is where guitar 'sits' in mixes and bands. I have some vintage guitars and the one thing none of them has is that high-end shimmer. Relatedly, is it bad for a guitar sound to be 'rough' or less 'hi-fi'? Do we really want to hear each individual string? The answers to these questions, I submit, are not necessarily universally, or even generally, 'yes'.
I like that TVJones neck. I have the same model guitar as you do. I put in a set of Magnatrons, and have been quite pleased. It gets it a little closer to a tele, but still sounds like a Gretsch.
Good demo.
Thanks!! I haven’t played the gretsch in a while. I need to get it out soon.
@@GregSummersMusic I’ve had mine since 2004 and I’ve had a hard time finding another guitar that is that diverse and yet so simple. And it sounds amazing live. She’s a keeper.
I believe this one is a 2006. It’s a bit different than what I am used to but it does sound great.
They both sound great but being a single coil user typically I like the bit of extra sparkle with the TV Jones.
Thanks for the review.. just what I was looking for Ya not enough difference between the 2 to go through the hastle.. Im impressed by the gretsch sound jus like it is compared to a stock Gibson
It’s subtle for sure and may translate to feel more than anything so your results may vary. It wasn’t night and day.
TV Jones are fuller, more compressed and even which I can see people liking but I prefer the stock Filter-Trons because the individual notes seem to have more character and clarity.
Thanks for the video! TV Jones sound a little brighter to my ears, on the neck pickup it might be better with the stock filters if one aims to play jazz stuff. Regardless, I can't say TV Jones are better, just slightly different. Maybe in a big hollowbody they really outshine the stock filters? And would be cool to hear the comparison between TVJ and vintage original filters!
Hey! I have a few questions: i've built a thinline telecaster with the hs filtertrons and i'm not getting the sound i was after. It sounds bloated and muddy, specially the neck pickup. I've tried a fee things since then, like 50's wiring and now i've disconected the tone pot from the neck pickup, but it's not there yet. I'm wondering changing to the TV Jones because they sound tightier and brighter than the filtertrons, but was wondering, which pots are you using with your gretsch? I was thinking if maybe 1mOhm Pots would help me more than changing pickups. Thank you
the TV Jones have a bit more clarity, but they're a lot closer than I'd expected.
Excellent demonstration. I liked the TV Jones better, but the darker sound of the Gretsch pickups wasn't bad at all.
Yes they both are great pickups for sure.
I just bought a used duo jet , and the pickups sound darker than I thought. I’m wondering could it be the magnet of the picky has decayed? I’m thinking of getting a replacement
I have a pretty much the same model Gretsch. Mine is the Elliot Eastern model I love the sound of this guitar. I’ll keep my stock pickups. I just wish I could keep the damn Bigsby in tune. I’ve done, nut upgrades, Tuner upgrades, bridge upgrades. Installed the Callaham Bigsby upgrades they did nothing for me. The best thing so far was Dunlop String Lube and Ernie Ball reinforced titanium strings.
God bless and thanks for doing this video.
Thanks for watching and commenting your thoughts. I like both pickups. I’ve thought about picking up another duo at some out or even selling this one to get a newer one. I got this in a trade and I think he got the better end of the deal as far as condition. This one does have some issues but overall it’s a nice guitar.
Why not swap out the Bigsby for a Cadillac tailpiece or the other style of fixed tailpiece available from Gretsch. I did that to a Falcon I had, with pleasing results. Although I currently have a newer Jet Firebird with a stock Bigsby and roller bridge and I'm not having any of those tuning stability issues with it.
I have a filtertron equipped 6120 20013? and just got a 2007 5120 with tv classics. huge difference thru a 66 Deluxe reverb 12" speaker. More Duane Eddy ish with the classics. More sparkly and clear. Could not hear much difference thru a non tube fender sidekick 25 with 10 inch speaker.
Great sound quality in your comparison. You can't go wrong with the TV Jones Classics, but I thought the stock Filtertrons also sounded fantastic in that guitar. If I had a guitar that sounded like that, I wouldn't mess with the pickups.
Very well executed demo!!! Great recorded sound too. And a very well tuned and intonated guitar (something many demos lack).
I personally found the stock pickups sparklier that the TVJ's. Like the former better.
Thank you! Good feedback as well
I like the stock Gretsch pickups better. They’re clearer and have more sparkle. The TV Jones pickups sound too midrange-y for my taste.
:-) thanks for watching!
I wonder if George Harrison had to change the pickups on his Country Gent in order to get that great 'Beatle sound'? What do you think?
Long time, no hear! Hope you’re well Greg!!
All good here. Thanks for checking in. Hope you are doing well too ;-)
Do you know what type of gretsch filtertrons these are? Ie. FT '67, High Sensitivity etc.
Wow. Surprised how close they were, but even more surprised the TV Jones seemed to break up more.
Yea it’s been a while since I’ve played this guitar but i know I was able to get a little more of what I wanted from the TV Jones
Classic just gives it a bit more IMO. Both are good and both still retain the great Gretsch sound.
Agreed!
LITERALLY needed a vid like this! And its done so so so well!
Would you describe the stock neck pickup as muddy? Based on what I heard, though it doesn't have as much clarity as the TV Jones, it is still clear. What do you think?
I couldn’t find a comparison video when I was trying to decide so I figured others may be looking. Glad you enjoyed it. The filter’trons are pretty close. The neck was a bit darker than I wanted. Not necessarily muddy but I had to add more top end than I do now. It’s not a HUGE difference with the classics but a little more chime. Truthfully I really didn’t have a lot of time with the stock ones to give them a fair shake. If I would have heard this video before buying I may not have made the jump due to how close they were. Biggest difference is the neck though, so take that for what it’s worth.
@@GregSummersMusic I will! I think I will land with the TV Jones realizing that the Gretsch Penguin has always caught my ear...and guess what comes stock on those? :)
Haha to be honest this was partially a deciding factor. I love that penguin
Thanks for posting. I just got a duo jet with Classics and I was thinking about swapping them to filtertron. I definitely like the TV classics better...
Seems this video gets mixed results in the comments. The differences are slight. Would be nice to have another Duo with filter’trons in it so it would be easier to play them side by side. Sometimes that’s easier and you end up playing differently as well
@@GregSummersMusic I do think its subjective. I tend to like bright and clear sounds.
I have a 2016 Jet Firebird that came stock with TVJ Classics and TVJ wiring harness. Everything works and sounds fine as it should, but it picks up a noticeable amount of 60 cycle hum. It's not overwhelming, but it is far more notable than on my other humbucker guitars. I can minimize the hum by turning the guitar in certain positions, same as one might do with a single coil equipped guitar. This happens in various rooms and with my various amps. The result is the same for both pickups hence there's no reason to believe they are faulty or flawed.
I'm wondering if you, or anyone else, has noticed this in comparing the noise level of the Classics against other humbuckers?
@@montag4516 I have the same problem. If i touch the pickup it goes away. for now i rigged up some wire so that the pickup comes in contact with my hand when i play. maybe a ground issue but that what im doing for now...
I didn’t notice any of that on either pickup. I didn’t have the filtertrons in there for too long though. I think I only played a couple of shows but no issues. Does this happen regardless of venue or is it just at home?
Hi Greg, well made comparison!
I plan to try out any FilterTron style pickups, cause it may fit to my style of guitarplaying. I like the sound of both pickups. With closed eyes, I did not hear much difference between original Gretschis and the TVs - maybe a very little more high-end (?) Imo not worth the double of price.
Could you please clearify, which version of the Stock-Pickups you've played? I think there are differences between "Blacktron" and "HS Filtertron".
THank you for sharing your work.
Thanks for leaving a comment. Sad to say….I haven’t played anything but these pickups. From talking to the Tvj guys, I had asked for something with a little more bite and these are what they recommended. It’s hard to hear on the video for sure though.
@@GregSummersMusic thank you for answer. Yes, it always sounds and feels different in real environment than through the filter of YTube. The reason, why I still prefer a real amp, before a digital simulation. Hope you will enjoy the pickup sound for long time! Keep on rockin' !
Nice guitar man
The Deedee Files thanks!
I hear a hundred plus dollars wasted. Glad you did this comparison. If I had to choose between such minimal variation in tone I’d take the original Filtertrons
This is one of the downsides to video demos. There weren’t any demos out there so I couldn’t judged beforehand but I will say there is the aspect of feel and response that will never translate in a demo. Would be impossible to explain but for these pickups in particular I don’t have another guitar to even compare the feel to. There are slight differences in a few areas but personally, if I had heard this demo beforehand I probably would have saved the money. I took one for the team ;-)
As a fellow guitarist, I appreciate you taking one for the team. For whatever reason, many of us think the grass(tone) is greener in another maker’s pasture. Unfortunately as we grow older and our hearing diminishes in frequency range, the differences in quality pickups become almost imperceptible. At my age, good is something to be celebrated. No longer seeking the ultimate.😊 Cheers
Yep agreed. The unfortunate thing is I knew what I wanted and Tv Jones told me these were the droids that I was looking for, but oh well....it made for good content and all is not lost. It’s subtle but they gave me a little of what I wanted. Just not everything. ;-)
Florida’s #1. Yay 😳. I heard what you heard, as far as these pups go. I was expecting some Rickenbacker jangle, I don’t know why.
:-) yea I was expecting a bit more but as I’ve had them for a week I’ve really enjoyed how great they sound. Im sure I will do a a few more videos highlighting this guitar. So far I really like it.
Greg Summer, I’ve never played Filtertrons so my presumptions are just that. For example when I play a Telecaster with my thin picks, it’s amazing how I sound nothing like a Tele.
Yea I was unfamiliar with them as well. Now it just makes me want another Gretsch
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Do you know that one of those switches is a mud switch
Well, through some small speakers either side of my laptop, I have to say there wasn't much difference at all. In some cases, none at all. I expected more. Very interesting thanks.
For me they were pretty much the same. Then you started playing near the 12th fret, that's when the Tv's were better, imo. More clarity, harmonics and sustain, but only high up soon the neck.
Yes. All very subtle for sure. It was a good experiment although a bit costly. ;-)
Really enjoying the channel but why no videos in 3 months?
Lots of things, but mainly just work and other stuff taking priority and well....motivation during this pandemic. With so much related content out there, I'm trying to re-evaluate the channel and make things more interesting. Of course I love this content so there would be this stuff but would like to make things a little more entertaining in the future.
@@GregSummersMusic I hear you man! I can agree with the motivation, I suffer from the same thing myself. Hopefully you come back when your feeling up to it. I am trying to turn the direction of my channel around into a guitar gear channel simply because what i do now, I have lost all motivation for. I wish you luck man!
This is perfect . Today was thinking about what pickups would be best for my Gretsch. Your video helped make my decision. (Working on my sound for worship )
Happy I could help. ;-)
Hey there nice comparison and neatly presented. I have a heavily modified Chinese jet with fix bridge, roller bridge, m6 heads, graphite, even the schaller microtune tailpiece, and knobs and circuitry improved... She sounds great but still has the stock gretschbuckers (which do the job well in live large as well). Would you recommend them for a basic metal head the TV Jones or maybe the blacktop filtertrons as I read somewhere? I mean I play lots of different things but I´m very agressive in all of them and use my metal resources if they fill in... I mean I come from classic spanish guitar background and I´m a one guitar guy and I would go with my babe no matter to play what. As years passed and I got more into natural simple sound than "fractalish" mentality and I´m trying to squeeze the best out of my beloved log. Don´t take me for a myspacer (thumbs up un your answer lol) but I´m after putting the tone out by myself, I mean take me for a mad man that plays bosa nova and jumps the next song into black metal and wont switch guitars, only for her to get tuned or just to get rest from her weight a little (like stevie ray)... She only lacks better humbuckers cause she got everything so she asks for the best because she has... but this humbucker thing seems to be to take more consideration than when I drilled her for the tailstop.
Thanks for the comment. Sorry to say, however, that the Gretsch is so unfamiliar and awkward for me. I haven’t played this much at all so I would be hesitant to give you any advice for getting what you are looking for. Probably a reason I got that comment lol because admittedly I don’t know anything about these pickups. I’d say that I wouldn’t have purchased the pickups if I knew more about them but still, it was a good experiment and made for another video that wasn’t out there and I was looking for the comparison myself. Sorry I can’t be more help to you!
@@GregSummersMusic thanks for your sincere answer man. I think I'll go for a classic, they say the classic plus are muddy and in comparisons they dont sound like a paf neither a gretsch and are in the middle of nowere... Those classic of yours seem to be more loud thant the gretsch nice enough to me. My guitar has a lot of natural bass rumble and so much natural volume output unplugged that heightening that seems risky with the plus... So putting a pickup is a lottery anyway and your video helps me a lot bro.
@@guitarrizer I’m glad it helped you. Take care
I was considering doing a similar pickup swap with my Gretsch, now i am reconsidering. Not sure it's worth it.
Yea it’s not night a day. If I had it to do over again I would probably save the money. There is a slight difference but not enough to spend the money in my opinion.
Hey mate, any idea how the hs filtertrons compare to the blacktop Broad’Trons? I like the sound of the Broad’Tron, but they just seems a little bit muddy, would the hs filtertrons give you good od sound a la let’s say led zeppelin 1 (I know he’s using a tele there but you get the idea, the od sound page got out of this tele is great to me) otherwise great review, can’t really justify the tv jones price here in the uk, they are about twice the price of the hs filtertrons
Sorry I really don’t have any experience with filtertrons so this was my first experiment with this pickup design. Wish I could help you more!
Very hard to hear a difference.
The sound timbre seems to me exactly the same. What I hear is that TV Jones have some tighter low end, but not more sparkle than gretsch ones. They both sound very lovely. Considering the price gap I think would stick to gretsch ones.
BTW do you think it's doable to mount gretsch filtertrons on a gibson style ES?
Cheers.
Yes, there are slight differences but both great pickups. As far as your last question, that's out of my expertise as I usually don't do a lot of pickup swaps but if they are drop in replacements, then you can try it or see of they have something to account for any cavity differences. If I have to start adding or cutting tops, I choose a difference option. Take my opinion for what it's worth though. I'm not a subject matter expert here.
The filters were too dark .lol good one. T.v's are for people that need to spend alot of money to upgrade anything they own. Never good enough to play in their living room or the cover band . Stock filters are amazing.
Well then lol….never a dull moment here.
Hey, where did you get that multi guitar hanger? I'd like to get one.
Guitar center. Ordered online.
TV Jones Classic sounds just a little bit brighter, other than that, I did not hear a huge difference between the Stock FT's and the TVJones . . thanks for posting
Also very difficult to translate on video. Easier in a mix and everyone’s ear is different.
any comparison of the lipsticks and the tv jones classics. ?
Unfortunately, no. This is my only gretsch
To my ears, the neck position was clearly different. The bridge contrast was very subtle.
Yep. Agreed. After a week of use they really open up when you dig in which is in line with tv Jones description. Could be placebo haha
Wonder if the Gretsch Filtertrons will still be better than my Blacktop Filtertrons, which are way too dark.... Any thoughts? (TV jones are too expensive in EU for me..)
I’ve never played the blacktop pickups so can’t say too much for those. The stock filtertrons are so close that if you find them and they are reasonably priced, then grab them. They will be fine.
@@GregSummersMusic thanks man! I think you are right. As the two sound pretty similar here, I’m sure any of them would be way better than the ones I have!
A set of Filtertrons will set me back only about 150 $. I can deal with that!
A set of Tv jones is about 500 dollars over here…
Is there any difference between the Filtertrones of a Gretsch 5230T made in China and the pickups your guitar has? Are the same Filtertrones?
The ones you refer to are called black filtertons I believe and they are a ceramic magnet as opposed to alnico in the regular filtertons. I haven’t really compared side by side. Would be a preference thing over the magnets but I’d have to hear to really tell you.
I think Gretsch got it right with the stock pickups.
The Gretsch filtertrons, in this demo, at least, are clearly better sounding picks with definition and clarity.
Honestly, I think you could have achieved the same by adjusting the treble control on your amp 1 notch. Might have been a cheaper option. 😁
Haha yea maybe lol. At least they were new and shiny
@@GregSummersMusic true! I just ordered 3 Gretsch Filtertrons for my modified ProJet.
Neck pup- TV Jones
Bridge pup - Filtertron
Ever consider this combo? Also, I wish you wouldve played a few hard rock/higher gain sounds.
Yea could be a cool combo but they are pretty similar sounding. As far as higher gain stuff, I don’t think I’d ever use it for that but I’m sure it would sound good. Honestly it’s an odd feeling guitar for me. The neck is fine but the controls and layout just don’t feel natural to me so it’s not as enjoyable to play as my other guitars, but that’s just me and what I’m used to.
You won’t hear much difference listening on your phone speaker. Use good headphones, or better yet (what I did) stream it to your TV on a good home theatre system. The difference is night and day. The Filter’Trons sound ok, but in comparison the TV Jones sound like a blanket was taken off of the speaker. More high end sparkle, and better definition in the lows and mids.
I haven’t played this guitar for a while and honestly I didn’t get a lot of time on the filtertrons before I switched them out. This is a thoughtful comment and one that others should read before making the call. I know I felt different after installing them but I think I will even take your advice and try it out on my TV as well ;-) I know it feels different playing on them but I can’t translate that here.
So little difference, cannot justify the cost. Use the |Tone control to get more of an effect.
The TV Jones are definiterly better. It might not sound like much difference but it all adds up.
TV Jones!!!
Honestly, I can’t tell much difference between the two. I’m familiar with TV Jones classics and I’ve heard comparisons with different Gretsch models. But I hear a big difference and a much better sound from the TV Jones Magnatron pick ups again I hear a little bit of a difference, but not enough to justify the cost of replacing new pick ups with your stock stock Filtertron.
I really think that TV jones classics are designed to get close to the filtertrons anyway. I remember calling TV jones for their recommendation and it seems they mentioned some of this. My current filtertrons weren’t in the best shape aesthetically and I wanted a little more sparkle. I was also very unfamiliar with the Gretsch and the tones I was trying to achieve. I’ve since dialed in everything and I think if I switched back to the originals I would be more than ok.
TV's little more clarity and chime , but, negligible at best. The Filtertrons are great enough for me.
Agreed. It definitely not night and day. Thanks for commenting!
as allways...swapping pickups is a matter of playing, feeling, as mutch as hearing.
I'm quite sure the TV Jones are better, but as a matter of fact, I would really feel it if I play that guitar. That's why those youtube reviews, and for sure your vids, are welcome, but listeners have to relativize a lot.
Anybody can make a cheap pickup sound good if there is a happy meeting between the player and the guitar, or if he upgrades the pots etc...
From the other side, with a "neutral" playing, as you are doing, it's quite difficult too say sometimes.
Anyway, I find that the TV Jones sound here more complex, more airy, alive than the filtertron. But, indeed, that's not obvious.
Very well said and so true for most gear reviews. Same goes for amp, modelers, and others. Side by side comparisons are gods for content but never tell the entire story.
Preferred the gretsch bridge and the tv jones neck
Thanks for the input!!
This can save money cus the difference it's son minimum that is a waste of money. Something better would be Lamberton cremas or Lambertrones🔥
Not clear if its hs filtertrons or blacktop filtertrons
I’m no expert but don’t blacktops have “black” tops? I would imagine these stock pickup were HS filtertrons. Whatever comes stock in the 2005 Gretsch duo jet.
@@GregSummersMusic yes, it is the hs filtertrons. Gretsch blacktop filtertrons are also great and affordable
To me, the TV Jones pickups were "muddier" than the Filter'Trons, especially on the clean demos.
the guitar/amp is muddier; sure not the sound of a 6120 .
Hey Brooklyn Boy…wise up.
I think TV Jones is definitely better. It sounds more pleasant to my ear and kinda richer. But I wouldn't agree with the note that they have more mid range. Definitely not. Actually that is why they sound more pleasant and more musical. They don't irritate the ears )))))))I'd even say they have more low mids. It sounds nicer to my ears.
It’s nice to have options for sure. I haven’t played the guitar that much overall so it’s not something I use on a regular basis. Going to try it out this weekend.
The thing is.....Filtertrons are great. The TV Jones sound better to my ears, and my taste. The only reason that I am nor putting TV Jones on my Gibson....is because I have a Gretsch. The TV Jones Tele neck pickup blows away what comes from the factory. IMHO
I’m really enjoying the Gretsch these days. Honestly I didn’t get enough time on the filtertrons to make a judgment between the 2. Some of these comparison videos are for me haha but it’s also very difficult to judge without getting some play time on a pickup. Videos cans only go so far. Thanks for your input!
@@GregSummersMusic I got my Gretsch because my Country Gent was stolen years ago. I also needed humbuckers for recording. It's been my go to now.
@@davidshepack2484 there’s a special place for people that steal guitars
Cant differentiate between the two. Also i have a g5230t with black top filtertrons and i can shape my tone using the effects pedals easily.
Yes this is the consensus from listening on the video. Some things come through when you play them but this is all subjective and will differ from player to player. The filtertrons weren’t in the best shape so I didn’t have a lot of time on them when I got the guitar.