Filtertrons Vs Humbuckers What Is The Difference
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Filtertrons Vs Humbuckers What Is The Difference
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I watched this video 3 times and I still don't understand how a Filtertron is constructed. Maybe I'm just dense. I don't get it, held together by friction? Huh? Friction where? You seemed to just ramble on about a bunch of different pickups but didn't concentrate on the filtertron and left me with more questions than answers.
Thanks for watching it three times!!!
@@DylanTalksTone Ok, I'm kind of getting after the 4th time, maybe. I didn't get much sleep and I'm still working on my first cup of coffee, lol. Maybe I'll have a smoke and try it a 5th time, haha! If you just laid out all the parts on a table I'm sure I would have gotten it the first time. That red arrow is pointing to an airspace, or is there something between coils? God, I must be dense.
tiki trash I don’t quite understand how they are held together by friction of the screws (pole pieces) are also holding it together. That would be a mechanical construction versus a friction construction. In case if the rest, I understand the inherent differences between the ‘tron style and the PAF. I think you probably understand the difference but aren’t getting the concept of the construction itself and that’s what’s getting you confused? Seems like the difference is in the construction and we know what the method is with smaller coils and a huge magnet. Maybe a separate vid that is just about the construction would help clarify it more.
good one to cover
I wonder if someone looked outside their window, saw a person filming, and said, "I'll bet he's talking about different types of hum cancelling guitar pickups."
Or maybe they're sitting beside their window staring at him
with the music blasting in the background pretending he conducting the oyster because he looks Lawrence Welk.
It'd be interesting to see you compare regular Fender single-coils with the Noiseless stuff they put in the Ultra and Deluxe series
I second this
I really don't like the noiseless ones. Takes away from tge strats charm imo
@@SirEnVo Somehow you are right. I have used Kinmans exclusively for many years, and they sound very good, but they don´t sound like real Strats.
Agreed!
I'm looking at getting the Fender Noiseless for a Thinline 69 style Tele I am building. Haven't decided yet on Alnico II or Alnico V.
I can’t stop seeing that tree as your hair. Ha! Anyway, how about you do a video on the DeArmonds?
Lmao
Haha
Thank god! I was wondering if i was just weird or if anybody else noticed it... Most likely I'm weird and others noticed it as well.
MostlyTorso the tree makes his hair look like Buzz Osbourne. But I do think he should do a vid of DeArmonds
Like he electrocuted himself ☺
Please cover the "Gold foil" issue.
It's been pissing me off since they were "rediscovered" and suddenly became "boutique"...with the associated price.
ravenslaves I've seen cheaper gold foils on eBay but not sure they are actually build the way Teisco or whoever made them made them !
Congrats on all the new subs Dylan, you’ve helped me feel confident doing work on my own guitar, and you’ve given me a wealth answers to the “whys” and “hows” that I wouldn’t have ever thought to ask. Thanks!
Dylan! Since I just discovered your channel this year, 2022, I have a lot of your content to view. You have a knack for de-mystifying, describing, and explaining in detail how things work. Thank you for posting!
Oh Dylan I was that guy requesting this! Thank you! 🎸
Really like this video series. Probably the best presented info on the more esoteric pick-up types available.
Thanks Dylan, this was one of your most informative posts ever. There has always been a air of mystery when it comes to filtertrons and I'm super glad you took the time to explain the differences!
You answer a lot of questions I've always had on your channel. I feel that finding you on UA-cam was a very lucky thing
Wow, learned so much. Have a Gretch with them. Totally unique sound, lower output yes but that is what the amp volume is for. Buttery beautiful cleans and low gain
This is now my favorite guitar tech talk on the net.. Thank you Dylan!
Thanks so much for covering this dude!! Been so keen to see this video ❤
I wonder what how Dylan's neighbors react to seeing him standing near the curb, gesturing, and talking enthusiastically...
...to no one.
Congrats on hitting 30k! Thanks for explaining all the cool pickup specs.
I’ve learned so much from your videos wish I found these earlier on. Keep crushing it!
Thanks for another great video. I really appreciate the way you take subjects that could easily digress in to tech talk that would lose the average "Joe" in a minute or two, and keep to basic, common terms that just about anybody can understand. That's a trait of a good teacher.
I have a home build Jupiter Thunderbird with vintage Filtertrons, and i love that sound. Thanks for the video!
GREAT clip - super informative.
Thank you very much.
Keep 'em coming !!!
These are really great and informative videos. Thanks!
Thank you for a brief and very accurate description of these pickups
That was my question in the last vídeo! Thanks Dylan!
Thanks Dylan. Another awesome video. Great info.
I won't be able to watch this, when it goes live because of work, but i just wanted to say YESSSS!
Really useful information and thank you for taking the time to post.
Was waiting for this. Thanks so much. Great info. Yes, please do a gold foil episode. I would also love to see the difference between Bass and Guitar pickups. What is different between a single coil (Jbass/start), humbucker(Pbass/Music Man/PAF), etc. Thanks Dylan, am loving your channel so much.
I think the music industry blew up was because we had an enormous amount of trained personnel leaving the service. These guys repaired all kinds of electronics for the service and we had the manufacturing facilities to make anything that could be sold. That and the celebration of the war being over that lit up the music world, radios and speakers got better and the audiophiles were born. My father in law helped the Navy in two special projects. First, as a matter of necessity was surface contact radar, which allowed destroyers to hunt German Uboats at night when they were running on the surface to charge their batteries. Then he worked on radio ranging and triangulation to help aircraft find their targets or their way back home after their nighttime bombing runs. After the war he worked for RCA where he and his partner designed a transistor for them. Having completed their job 6 months ahead of schedule, RCA gave the men the use of their lab to do whatever they wanted for six months, or they could just go home and take six months pay. They chose to take time in the lad and they invented the Op-amp. The work they did was the property of RCA, and the company thought it was far too advanced for any device they could market, so they shelved. In the mean time my father in law and his partner had worked with the University of Pennsylvania to make the semi conductor material for the products they had designed, so when RCA shelved their Op-Amp the Professor they had been working with published a paper on the design. A few years later and Texas Instruments took that design, modified it, patented their variation on the Op-Amp and started pumping calculators which led to the IBM computer and on to the PC that sits in every household. I believe similar things happened everywhere in the electronics industry, including pickups for guitars!
Thanks for another great video explaining the difference between filter trans and humbuckers, and I like your idea of running one in the middle of a tele! I’d want a 5 way switch so I could split the coils like this. Position 1, the neck pick up. Position 2, the neck pickup and the upper coil of the filtertron. Pos3, both coils of the filter tron. Pos4 the bottom coil of the tron and the bridge pickup. And position 5, the bridge pickup by itself. That sounds like a fun way to go!
I think you gave the right explanation bout the difference between Filtertrons and PAF's. At least someone that was able to tell these differences... Good job man !
Wow, great video, I recently got a TMG Tele with a a p-90 in the bridge and I want to put a Filtertron in the neck. So thanks for mentioning that configuration, Im excited to try that!
Another great video & wow that is ALOT of diffrence between the 2 styles of pickups !!
Neck position of a Telecaster - YES. I have the TV Jones Filtertron style neck pickup in my Tele, and combined with a very bitey Tele bridge pickup ('62 imitation) they just sound amazing.
I always appreciate the info. Im kind of drawn towards small humbuckers. They sound right for my playing. So I might have to give these a try..i thought I had. But you showed exactly the guitar I tried them on. My first guitar had (awful) top mount pickups no routing! My first real guitar had carvin m22 distortion pickups still have and love them. I don't know why people hate on low output pickups though amps have plenty of drive these days.
As usual fantastic content. Dylan you have made so much sense and built my confidence in building my guitars. I'm so happy with them.
Its special to play something you've put together, no need for high priced guitars.
I learn something with every video! Thanks!
Thank you very informative, definitely will look into changing my pickups on my G2655
Learning so much from your videos great job.
Woohoooo! Great to see you got to 30k!. I really like these info videos. Can you demonstrate the difference in sound in a hi-lo tron and a Fender-type single coil?
Always good to get some new knowledge, that was fascinating.
thank you Dylan .. very useful info
Thanks for this video, been wanting to look under the hood for a while. Yes, please do a video on gold foils!
Alway great to learn more thanks Dylan
I have a 1959 Gretsch with 1 Hi/low Tron. I thought something was wrong when I try and use it in a effect pedal to tune. It is so weak the tuner cannot pickup much. I check its ohms, 3.2. Wow, but when I run through a boost, with some reverb and effects, sound is SO BIG. Love it.
Always wondered this. Will watch.
Looking forward to this.😁
Another informative video. Thanks.
I really enjoyed this video. I'm just learning to play guitar and I dig both the twangy early country/rockabilly sort of sound that seems to go along with hollow-body guitars and Humbuckers, but I also really like the twangy reverb of surf guitar and Stratocasters. I bought two kit guitars of each type to build, but it's the Humbuckers that sent me down a rabbit hole. I wanted to put better pickups in the hollow-body so I was wondering about the difference between Humbuckers and Filtertrons, and then I was seeing Humbuckes with two rows of screws like the cheap pickups that came with my kit, then I'm seeing ones with only one row of screws but they say they're dual coil, then there's ones that are single coil but look like those dual coil ones, and WOW, I'm confused! Your video explained the difference so well and I really liked the little history lesson worked in there. There's a lot of terminology that I don't understand, but I'm a history nerd and I do love that early twangy sound and the later surf-style offshoot. Thanks - I subscribed!
beginning guitarist here..luv yur channel, my mum bought me a schecter ultra 3, seems like a GREAT guitar 👍🙋
Always great knowledge.
and right on camera a fedex truck skips to a parallel universe at 3:26 and reappears a minute later in opposite direction. Magic!
It jumps back through the wormhole at 4:28, lol
Jesus, now I've got to take my bridge pick up out and open it up to check.
Great informative, interesting and helpful post,.
Cheers 😎🎸✅
This is great Dylan!
It would be cool to hear some samples
Never played a filtertone
keep this series up it great knowledge
Thank you!
Great information as always. Congrats on the 30K subs, it will be 50K before you know it.
Thanks for the detail; I've been trying to find out what the guts actually were.
I really wanted this one. Always very curious to know the difference between 'trons and regular humbuckers.
Really well done.
Thanks for the info I never even herd of a Filtertron before.
Congrats on 30 thousand subscribers!
awesome video ... no crap, got to the point quickly, explained it all extremely well ... 5 stars
Very cool explanation--good details and well researched. I'd would definitely like to hear a Filtertron in a Tele!!
Thanks!
You are welcome
Congrats on 30k! I bet you were happy doing a video with cars and trucks driving by! Lol
Thanks for the education
Great channel, Dylan, keep it up! How about a comparison of Rickenbacker pickups: the vintage toasters vs the hi-gain? Or the hi-gain vs the filtertron and/or other single coil?
I have been looking at upgrading my stock ceramic pickups and have had so many questions about what the difference is with the different types of humbuckers and what makes them sound different-- and why some of the budget models don't actually sound the way they are supposed to.
I know with my Gretsch G2220 bass, the "humbuckers" didn't have bobbins, they were just rail magnets with a single overwound pickup and two ceramic magnets underneath.
Very informative!
Glad it was helpful!
Thanks for info I learned a lot
Congratulations on 30k!
"Fight me in the comment." Lmao - I love that. Good information here.
Loved this video! Got here because I'm debating between a Gretsch White Falcon 55 and a 59. Essentially comes down to the TV Jones vs the Filtertrones pickups. I find the TV Jones incredible and the Filtertrones great as well. However the Filtertons doesn't have the rich and crisp top end and definition of the TV Jones's which I absolutely love. I guess that's due to the fact that the TV Jones are just single coils?
Thanks Dylan, finally you explained to all of us what the difference is!!!💪🤘🤘🤘
From Leo: I have Filtertron equiped Gretsch's. that are back to early 1960's. The collector price of the 1954/1955 Chet Atkins models with the hand wound Ray Butts pickups are way above my comfort level. The HiLo (single coils) are amazingly articulate and loud, especially compared to other single coils of the time. I still like them. String height adjustment on a Filtertron (or DeArmond) is done with proper spacers, not springs and sponges. The covers pretty much hold the Filtertron together. I do adjust the screws if I need to balance the volume. Never had one fall apart or rattle. Most of them are solid mounted to the wood, so it cannot move. You are correct about some of the Streamliner series having the Fender influenced humbuckers. They even mount like a regular humbucker, they are voiced for a more crisp, open sound leaning toward a Filtertron. The new BroadTrons on the Gretsch Jet guitars are shaped and sized like a FIlterTron, but are clean voiced more like a 1960's humbucker. The is a little disappointing to a Gretsch fan, but they do make the guitars appeal to a far wider group of customers. It is fun to look at all the different ways that people figured out to make magnetic pickups over the years. I have taken apart vintage Japanese pickups where they did not even have a magnet, just a bunch on magnetized iron dust in a blob of glue on a paper wound coils
Nice vid as always. Also would love to see DylanDOTone ;) and to hear from your vids how real filtertron sounds, or vintage WideRange or GoldFoil or any other nontypical pickup. Keep up to good work man
Congratulations on 30k followers.
It does say 30k! Man that was fast lol!! I really like the am premier's btw, like a lot. More people should do it.
Congrats on 30k!
Gratulation for 30 000 Followers 👍
Hi Dylan! I like your videos and i found it is very informative! Im wondering how pickup works on semi hollow guitar, do they pickup sound of acoustic resonance? Does tonewood affect semi hollow guitar?
Great video thanks Dylan. Not a comparison video but I'd love to know what construction goes into those Supro lapsteel pickups love the ones that Ry Cooder puts in the bridge position of his Coodercasters
From Leo: Congratulations on the 30K!
Great vid and good info. I would love to here some thoughts and analysis om the Gretsch Blacktop Filtertrons and the (now phased out I think) Super Hilotrons. I know that they are similar in construction to PAF, but they certainly sound different.
Good for u getting 30k hommie!😎🍻
I would be interested in going deeper into types of Filtertrons such as the differences between a TV Jones Classics and Gretsch Filtertron and also the differences between Blacktop Filtertron and TV Jones Powertron. Thx.
Dylan: the Picasso of pickups. An artist!
Great video. The skinny Les Paul Deluxe pickup (not the P90)... Is it a humbugging pickup? They always seem to sound very clean. Same pickup on the original Epiphone Riveria. What is the story with it?
I have just subscribed after watching so many of your videos and I liked them all. Very good knowledge. I have a question what if winding of a coil is done in individual pole magnets separately instead of winding all between 6 Pole magnets. Does that even sound or not?
well since you mentioned it - a video about gold foils would be really helpful - they have some interesting tonal characteristics..
I am going to watch this video a few times
Honestly This is very new to me. Great subject thought.
I have one of the Gretch's with the pickups you're talking about.
They're called "Broadtrons" I think, and it's basically a box-y PAF type pickup.
I actually *LOVE* them in the bridge, but find them very dull in the neck because it's just the same exact pickup.
Great for adding thickness on big overdriven parts in the studio.
I have these in my streamliner (great value for money guitar, check it out) and took half the pole pieces out the neck pickup, brightens it up lots!
I love my broadtrons 🤷
Here’s a great video idea.. can you dissect what makes “gold foils” gold foils. Maybe some information about different types. I know there are dozens of types.
As a devout vintage Harmony enthusiast, that video would make me tingly in my nethers. There's a lot of people selling "gold foils," and none of them sound very authentic. I haven't tried the lollar version, but that's a stupid amount of money to pay for a recreation of something that you can still occasionally find for cheap at a flea market, and I'm not willing to front that.
robotsongs how would you describe the tone?
@@carlosu1021 To what, the originals? If so, I'd say very strong, very clear, somewhat glassy, excellently balanced when you roll the tone back a bit. In some ways and in some situations they sound like piezos - very "acoustic" - which can be good or bad depending on the setup. Gold foils are a lot like the guitars that originally had them-- they can be temperamental, difficult, and can take effort to make work, but when they do, goddamn watch out. You want to hit that funky 70s Motown or late 60s lo-fi jazz-funk sound? They're your ticket.
as far as i'm aware of, there are two unrelated families of pickups that are "gold foils", one is the DeArmond/Harmony type, the other is a Japanese/Teisco type... Almost all of the newer gold foils are trying to be like the second type. I think Curtis Novak might be the only one doing a repro of the DeArmond type.
lunarpollen I love both kinds. If I had to describe their sound I’d say they have the output of p90s but with a clearer high end that can be very chimney style times.
Mini-humbucker footprints, in their various types, are great stuff. (Gibson minis, Filtertrons, Hot Rails, etc.) You can get a big sound AND the string definition from a narrow sensing area.
A Filtertron in the neck of a Tele is amazing! I did it on a Squier HH tele. I swapped the humbuckers for a GFS Retro-tron (similar idea, I'm sure not as good as the real deal) and a GFS surf 90, which remind me of the DeArmond pickups I had in an instrument I stupidly sold years ago. Anyway, I would love to see you do a video of those in a Tele. It's a sick combo, and people need to know about it! :)
GFS really deserves a lot more cred
My next guitar will be a 6120 T Brian Setzer 59 Smoke. I'm getting rid of everything except my 1950's Tele. Thanks for the vid. Your feeding the fire! Fan the flames!
I went back to this vid and it really helped me a lot
I got a question:
Should I install set of "vintage" spec filtertrons to a hollow body?
Or just go with humbuckers? I don't want to cut holes in top because of funky bracing so I got about 21mm of space under the strings.
I thought that this thru pickup mounting would be much cleaner than pickup rings
Pete T recorded who’s next with the Gretsch, so the filtertrons deff rock,
Very interesting & informative. Can you compare Rickenbacker 50's & 60's toaster pickups and the "Hi Gain" post 1970 pickups please ?
Hi Dylan! Can you compare a regular strat single to a Dano lipstick pickup? That'd be great!
I often been looking at some of my old pickups and forgot why I changed them in the first place. Is there a way to know why they sounded dull or whatever the case and maybe change magnets or remagnetize or a magic wand and a spell. Do you have such a video or could you consider making one?