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I watched this video 3 times and I still don't understand how a Filtertron is constructed. Maybe I'm just dense. I don't get it, held together by friction? Huh? Friction where? You seemed to just ramble on about a bunch of different pickups but didn't concentrate on the filtertron and left me with more questions than answers.
@@DylanTalksTone Ok, I'm kind of getting after the 4th time, maybe. I didn't get much sleep and I'm still working on my first cup of coffee, lol. Maybe I'll have a smoke and try it a 5th time, haha! If you just laid out all the parts on a table I'm sure I would have gotten it the first time. That red arrow is pointing to an airspace, or is there something between coils? God, I must be dense.
tiki trash I don’t quite understand how they are held together by friction of the screws (pole pieces) are also holding it together. That would be a mechanical construction versus a friction construction. In case if the rest, I understand the inherent differences between the ‘tron style and the PAF. I think you probably understand the difference but aren’t getting the concept of the construction itself and that’s what’s getting you confused? Seems like the difference is in the construction and we know what the method is with smaller coils and a huge magnet. Maybe a separate vid that is just about the construction would help clarify it more.
I wonder if someone looked outside their window, saw a person filming, and said, "I'll bet he's talking about different types of hum cancelling guitar pickups."
Or maybe they're sitting beside their window staring at him with the music blasting in the background pretending he conducting the oyster because he looks Lawrence Welk.
Please cover the "Gold foil" issue. It's been pissing me off since they were "rediscovered" and suddenly became "boutique"...with the associated price.
Congrats on all the new subs Dylan, you’ve helped me feel confident doing work on my own guitar, and you’ve given me a wealth answers to the “whys” and “hows” that I wouldn’t have ever thought to ask. Thanks!
I have a Les Paul melody maker coming with a single humbucker in the bridge.. personally I love the Malcolm young tone , saw that there's a humbucker size filtertron called the psyclone. Wanted your opinion on this if that would get me in the realm of that Raw tone I'm chasing after, I know they're different guitars completely, but all things being equal a slab of wood n a neck with strings attached, with A pickup and a volume control, do the psyclone pickups live up to the hype? Thanks!!
Wow, learned so much. Have a Gretch with them. Totally unique sound, lower output yes but that is what the amp volume is for. Buttery beautiful cleans and low gain
Dylan! Since I just discovered your channel this year, 2022, I have a lot of your content to view. You have a knack for de-mystifying, describing, and explaining in detail how things work. Thank you for posting!
As usual fantastic content. Dylan you have made so much sense and built my confidence in building my guitars. I'm so happy with them. Its special to play something you've put together, no need for high priced guitars.
I think the music industry blew up was because we had an enormous amount of trained personnel leaving the service. These guys repaired all kinds of electronics for the service and we had the manufacturing facilities to make anything that could be sold. That and the celebration of the war being over that lit up the music world, radios and speakers got better and the audiophiles were born. My father in law helped the Navy in two special projects. First, as a matter of necessity was surface contact radar, which allowed destroyers to hunt German Uboats at night when they were running on the surface to charge their batteries. Then he worked on radio ranging and triangulation to help aircraft find their targets or their way back home after their nighttime bombing runs. After the war he worked for RCA where he and his partner designed a transistor for them. Having completed their job 6 months ahead of schedule, RCA gave the men the use of their lab to do whatever they wanted for six months, or they could just go home and take six months pay. They chose to take time in the lad and they invented the Op-amp. The work they did was the property of RCA, and the company thought it was far too advanced for any device they could market, so they shelved. In the mean time my father in law and his partner had worked with the University of Pennsylvania to make the semi conductor material for the products they had designed, so when RCA shelved their Op-Amp the Professor they had been working with published a paper on the design. A few years later and Texas Instruments took that design, modified it, patented their variation on the Op-Amp and started pumping calculators which led to the IBM computer and on to the PC that sits in every household. I believe similar things happened everywhere in the electronics industry, including pickups for guitars! Thanks for another great video explaining the difference between filter trans and humbuckers, and I like your idea of running one in the middle of a tele! I’d want a 5 way switch so I could split the coils like this. Position 1, the neck pick up. Position 2, the neck pickup and the upper coil of the filtertron. Pos3, both coils of the filter tron. Pos4 the bottom coil of the tron and the bridge pickup. And position 5, the bridge pickup by itself. That sounds like a fun way to go!
Pete Townsend used a Gretsch 6120 on Won't Get Fooled Again. Pretty much the complete opposite tone that we normally associate with a Filtertron equipped guitar.
Neck position of a Telecaster - YES. I have the TV Jones Filtertron style neck pickup in my Tele, and combined with a very bitey Tele bridge pickup ('62 imitation) they just sound amazing.
Thanks for another great video. I really appreciate the way you take subjects that could easily digress in to tech talk that would lose the average "Joe" in a minute or two, and keep to basic, common terms that just about anybody can understand. That's a trait of a good teacher.
Jim B I’m no expert but to my ear broadtrons sounds similar to a traditional paf humbucker and a filtertron sounds spanky and twangy close to a telecaster.
Christopher Kaesemeyer yeah I thought that might be the case. I've removed half the pole pieces to take away the lack of definition in the hope that it sounds closer to a filtertron. sounds loads better but don't know if it sounds like a filtertron!
Wow, great video, I recently got a TMG Tele with a a p-90 in the bridge and I want to put a Filtertron in the neck. So thanks for mentioning that configuration, Im excited to try that!
I think you gave the right explanation bout the difference between Filtertrons and PAF's. At least someone that was able to tell these differences... Good job man !
Was waiting for this. Thanks so much. Great info. Yes, please do a gold foil episode. I would also love to see the difference between Bass and Guitar pickups. What is different between a single coil (Jbass/start), humbucker(Pbass/Music Man/PAF), etc. Thanks Dylan, am loving your channel so much.
I always appreciate the info. Im kind of drawn towards small humbuckers. They sound right for my playing. So I might have to give these a try..i thought I had. But you showed exactly the guitar I tried them on. My first guitar had (awful) top mount pickups no routing! My first real guitar had carvin m22 distortion pickups still have and love them. I don't know why people hate on low output pickups though amps have plenty of drive these days.
Dylan, what makes the different ‘tron pickups different from one another? There’s the filter, dyna, fidela. There are others too but is there something specific that makes these different from one another or is it just the amount of winds on there or something?
Yeah, I still don't get it. This video was really vague he just seemed to ramble on about a whole bunch of stuff that seemed to have no relevance to Filtertrons and I still don't get how the F-Tron is constructed. Why couldn't he just concentrate on the pickups Gretsch used? That would have made a lot more sense to me. Basically, he was trying to tell us how a Creative MP3 player is constructed by telling us how an iPod is constructed.
tiki trash no, he did get into the construction and it helped greatly, really. Maybe you didn’t finish the video? My question was what is the difference between the different types of ‘trons. I do get the difference between them and regular humbuckers, now, but amongst themselves what is the difference you know. That’s what I’d like to know now that we know the difference between a ‘tron and a PAF.
I have an old harmony rocket from 68 with the mustache pickup, single coil, and the high e string seems weaker. Could I get away with raising the height on that thing using the screw?
I would be interested in going deeper into types of Filtertrons such as the differences between a TV Jones Classics and Gretsch Filtertron and also the differences between Blacktop Filtertron and TV Jones Powertron. Thx.
My next guitar will be a 6120 T Brian Setzer 59 Smoke. I'm getting rid of everything except my 1950's Tele. Thanks for the vid. Your feeding the fire! Fan the flames!
Hi Dylan, do you have an opinion on Guitar Fetish (GFS) pickups? They make a filtertron style that i want to try but I'm afraid it might just be a regular humbucker
The reason I'm afraid these GFS "GF'Tron" pickups might be regular humbuckers is the high DC output. Their vintage spec set is wound to 6.2k bridge and 5.8k neck with A2 magnets
Great video. The skinny Les Paul Deluxe pickup (not the P90)... Is it a humbugging pickup? They always seem to sound very clean. Same pickup on the original Epiphone Riveria. What is the story with it?
I have one of the Gretch's with the pickups you're talking about. They're called "Broadtrons" I think, and it's basically a box-y PAF type pickup. I actually *LOVE* them in the bridge, but find them very dull in the neck because it's just the same exact pickup. Great for adding thickness on big overdriven parts in the studio.
It's four years later, and I just ran across your video and channel. Did you do the Gold Foil video? I just got a cheap Tele body 12 string and I'm deciding on pickups for the neck position (leaning towards P90 which I love the tone of, but hey...). I recently got a less expensive Gretsch hollow body, and while the toaster-tron pickups do sound different than a PAF or other humbucker, they probably are simply a humbucker as you mention. I've had an Electromatic with cheap humbuckers for years, and it certainly sounds different than Gibson or Epiphone humbuckers on other guitars I have. I'm considering putting some kind of more authentic Filtertrons on it, but not only for the looks of a real or not "Filtertron". A friend loves his TV Jones Filtertrons on his Gretsch, but the Electromatic is still a cheap guitar that cost me less than one new TV pickup. ...despite my tangent on other pickups, did you do the gold foil review? Thanks, and I just subscribed.
What do you think about Gretsch's MegaTrons? The ones they put in the G5135 Corvette. To me, they are not really filtertrons but I really love them. They have sound somewhere in the middle of the road between a Tele and an SG, at least to my ears.
What about the Megatrons - what are those in relation to Filtertrons? Not to be confused with the TV Jones Magnatrons, Megatrons were factory installed in the Gretsch Electromatic Corvettes/CVTs. But I'm not sure what makes them distinct.
I saw it. It just occured to me that both seem to have the same or at least similar end result with output, so do they have a similar sound or does the size make a big difference or the type of magnet or individual pole pieces make a difference (or all of the above)? I've never quite understood why a magnet pole piece makes a huge difference versus a magnetized screw pole piece. Actually, I don't personally hear such a big difference between the two I can say that is what makes the difference when there are so many other variables to consider.
Have you done any on gold foil pick ups? I know you mentioned it briefly in this video, and I would be very interested in it. Sometime back I played a supro that had foil pick ups, and I thought it was quite tasty.
In a previous video of humbucker pickups, you mentioned that the regular humbuckers are two coils in one pickup wired out of phase to each other. Are the filtertrons made like that too, with the two coils wired out phase? Also my understanding is that both the regular humbucker and also the filtertrons are wired in series the two pickup coils in relate to each other. Thanks
Whoa! You mean wretch guitars don't really use filertrons? I have a 5422 and it says on the web site that they are filertrons. Are they ripping everyone off?
Can you review the Tim Shaw Custom Shop Filtertron pickup that was featured in the Fender Rarities Koa top Stratocaster? It has what almost looks like a P-rail configuration, and I can't find any specs for this thing. Would love to know more about that and the gold foils that are used in the neck and middle positions as well! Thanks!
From Leo: I have Filtertron equiped Gretsch's. that are back to early 1960's. The collector price of the 1954/1955 Chet Atkins models with the hand wound Ray Butts pickups are way above my comfort level. The HiLo (single coils) are amazingly articulate and loud, especially compared to other single coils of the time. I still like them. String height adjustment on a Filtertron (or DeArmond) is done with proper spacers, not springs and sponges. The covers pretty much hold the Filtertron together. I do adjust the screws if I need to balance the volume. Never had one fall apart or rattle. Most of them are solid mounted to the wood, so it cannot move. You are correct about some of the Streamliner series having the Fender influenced humbuckers. They even mount like a regular humbucker, they are voiced for a more crisp, open sound leaning toward a Filtertron. The new BroadTrons on the Gretsch Jet guitars are shaped and sized like a FIlterTron, but are clean voiced more like a 1960's humbucker. The is a little disappointing to a Gretsch fan, but they do make the guitars appeal to a far wider group of customers. It is fun to look at all the different ways that people figured out to make magnetic pickups over the years. I have taken apart vintage Japanese pickups where they did not even have a magnet, just a bunch on magnetized iron dust in a blob of glue on a paper wound coils
I have been looking at upgrading my stock ceramic pickups and have had so many questions about what the difference is with the different types of humbuckers and what makes them sound different-- and why some of the budget models don't actually sound the way they are supposed to. I know with my Gretsch G2220 bass, the "humbuckers" didn't have bobbins, they were just rail magnets with a single overwound pickup and two ceramic magnets underneath.
Here’s a great video idea.. can you dissect what makes “gold foils” gold foils. Maybe some information about different types. I know there are dozens of types.
As a devout vintage Harmony enthusiast, that video would make me tingly in my nethers. There's a lot of people selling "gold foils," and none of them sound very authentic. I haven't tried the lollar version, but that's a stupid amount of money to pay for a recreation of something that you can still occasionally find for cheap at a flea market, and I'm not willing to front that.
@@carlosu1021 To what, the originals? If so, I'd say very strong, very clear, somewhat glassy, excellently balanced when you roll the tone back a bit. In some ways and in some situations they sound like piezos - very "acoustic" - which can be good or bad depending on the setup. Gold foils are a lot like the guitars that originally had them-- they can be temperamental, difficult, and can take effort to make work, but when they do, goddamn watch out. You want to hit that funky 70s Motown or late 60s lo-fi jazz-funk sound? They're your ticket.
as far as i'm aware of, there are two unrelated families of pickups that are "gold foils", one is the DeArmond/Harmony type, the other is a Japanese/Teisco type... Almost all of the newer gold foils are trying to be like the second type. I think Curtis Novak might be the only one doing a repro of the DeArmond type.
lunarpollen I love both kinds. If I had to describe their sound I’d say they have the output of p90s but with a clearer high end that can be very chimney style times.
I purchased the newer gretsch ratrod 5410t because of the better pickups. I did some research and found that the gretsch streamliner has regular filtertrons. And the Jr jet also regular filtertrons. My question is what do you think about the black top filtertrons vs the ones they use on the other editions? Thanks
Great. Thx mate. What do need to replace a p90 with a filter Tyron in my tele on neck position? Looking for a replacement in my les Paul on bridge position too… can you provide some profound info? Thx in advance.
Woohoooo! Great to see you got to 30k!. I really like these info videos. Can you demonstrate the difference in sound in a hi-lo tron and a Fender-type single coil?
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I watched this video 3 times and I still don't understand how a Filtertron is constructed. Maybe I'm just dense. I don't get it, held together by friction? Huh? Friction where? You seemed to just ramble on about a bunch of different pickups but didn't concentrate on the filtertron and left me with more questions than answers.
Thanks for watching it three times!!!
@@DylanTalksTone Ok, I'm kind of getting after the 4th time, maybe. I didn't get much sleep and I'm still working on my first cup of coffee, lol. Maybe I'll have a smoke and try it a 5th time, haha! If you just laid out all the parts on a table I'm sure I would have gotten it the first time. That red arrow is pointing to an airspace, or is there something between coils? God, I must be dense.
tiki trash I don’t quite understand how they are held together by friction of the screws (pole pieces) are also holding it together. That would be a mechanical construction versus a friction construction. In case if the rest, I understand the inherent differences between the ‘tron style and the PAF. I think you probably understand the difference but aren’t getting the concept of the construction itself and that’s what’s getting you confused? Seems like the difference is in the construction and we know what the method is with smaller coils and a huge magnet. Maybe a separate vid that is just about the construction would help clarify it more.
good one to cover
I wonder if someone looked outside their window, saw a person filming, and said, "I'll bet he's talking about different types of hum cancelling guitar pickups."
Or maybe they're sitting beside their window staring at him
with the music blasting in the background pretending he conducting the oyster because he looks Lawrence Welk.
It'd be interesting to see you compare regular Fender single-coils with the Noiseless stuff they put in the Ultra and Deluxe series
I second this
I really don't like the noiseless ones. Takes away from tge strats charm imo
@@SirEnVo Somehow you are right. I have used Kinmans exclusively for many years, and they sound very good, but they don´t sound like real Strats.
Agreed!
I'm looking at getting the Fender Noiseless for a Thinline 69 style Tele I am building. Haven't decided yet on Alnico II or Alnico V.
I can’t stop seeing that tree as your hair. Ha! Anyway, how about you do a video on the DeArmonds?
Lmao
Haha
Thank god! I was wondering if i was just weird or if anybody else noticed it... Most likely I'm weird and others noticed it as well.
MostlyTorso the tree makes his hair look like Buzz Osbourne. But I do think he should do a vid of DeArmonds
Like he electrocuted himself ☺
Please cover the "Gold foil" issue.
It's been pissing me off since they were "rediscovered" and suddenly became "boutique"...with the associated price.
ravenslaves I've seen cheaper gold foils on eBay but not sure they are actually build the way Teisco or whoever made them made them !
Congrats on all the new subs Dylan, you’ve helped me feel confident doing work on my own guitar, and you’ve given me a wealth answers to the “whys” and “hows” that I wouldn’t have ever thought to ask. Thanks!
Oh Dylan I was that guy requesting this! Thank you! 🎸
and right on camera a fedex truck skips to a parallel universe at 3:26 and reappears a minute later in opposite direction. Magic!
It jumps back through the wormhole at 4:28, lol
This is now my favorite guitar tech talk on the net.. Thank you Dylan!
I have a Les Paul melody maker coming with a single humbucker in the bridge.. personally I love the Malcolm young tone , saw that there's a humbucker size filtertron called the psyclone. Wanted your opinion on this if that would get me in the realm of that Raw tone I'm chasing after, I know they're different guitars completely, but all things being equal a slab of wood n a neck with strings attached, with A pickup and a volume control, do the psyclone pickups live up to the hype? Thanks!!
I wonder what how Dylan's neighbors react to seeing him standing near the curb, gesturing, and talking enthusiastically...
...to no one.
Wow, learned so much. Have a Gretch with them. Totally unique sound, lower output yes but that is what the amp volume is for. Buttery beautiful cleans and low gain
Dylan! Since I just discovered your channel this year, 2022, I have a lot of your content to view. You have a knack for de-mystifying, describing, and explaining in detail how things work. Thank you for posting!
As usual fantastic content. Dylan you have made so much sense and built my confidence in building my guitars. I'm so happy with them.
Its special to play something you've put together, no need for high priced guitars.
Really like this video series. Probably the best presented info on the more esoteric pick-up types available.
Congrats on hitting 30k! Thanks for explaining all the cool pickup specs.
I think the music industry blew up was because we had an enormous amount of trained personnel leaving the service. These guys repaired all kinds of electronics for the service and we had the manufacturing facilities to make anything that could be sold. That and the celebration of the war being over that lit up the music world, radios and speakers got better and the audiophiles were born. My father in law helped the Navy in two special projects. First, as a matter of necessity was surface contact radar, which allowed destroyers to hunt German Uboats at night when they were running on the surface to charge their batteries. Then he worked on radio ranging and triangulation to help aircraft find their targets or their way back home after their nighttime bombing runs. After the war he worked for RCA where he and his partner designed a transistor for them. Having completed their job 6 months ahead of schedule, RCA gave the men the use of their lab to do whatever they wanted for six months, or they could just go home and take six months pay. They chose to take time in the lad and they invented the Op-amp. The work they did was the property of RCA, and the company thought it was far too advanced for any device they could market, so they shelved. In the mean time my father in law and his partner had worked with the University of Pennsylvania to make the semi conductor material for the products they had designed, so when RCA shelved their Op-Amp the Professor they had been working with published a paper on the design. A few years later and Texas Instruments took that design, modified it, patented their variation on the Op-Amp and started pumping calculators which led to the IBM computer and on to the PC that sits in every household. I believe similar things happened everywhere in the electronics industry, including pickups for guitars!
Thanks for another great video explaining the difference between filter trans and humbuckers, and I like your idea of running one in the middle of a tele! I’d want a 5 way switch so I could split the coils like this. Position 1, the neck pick up. Position 2, the neck pickup and the upper coil of the filtertron. Pos3, both coils of the filter tron. Pos4 the bottom coil of the tron and the bridge pickup. And position 5, the bridge pickup by itself. That sounds like a fun way to go!
Very informative!
Glad it was helpful!
Can you please do a video on the difference a cover makes on a humbucker?
Looking forward to this.😁
Thank you!
Thanks for the education
Thanks so much for covering this dude!! Been so keen to see this video ❤
I won't be able to watch this, when it goes live because of work, but i just wanted to say YESSSS!
Thanks Dylan. Another awesome video. Great info.
Pete Townsend used a Gretsch 6120 on Won't Get Fooled Again. Pretty much the complete opposite tone that we normally associate with a Filtertron equipped guitar.
What's the deal with G&L's Z coil pickups?
GREAT clip - super informative.
Thank you very much.
Keep 'em coming !!!
Neck position of a Telecaster - YES. I have the TV Jones Filtertron style neck pickup in my Tele, and combined with a very bitey Tele bridge pickup ('62 imitation) they just sound amazing.
Thanks for another great video. I really appreciate the way you take subjects that could easily digress in to tech talk that would lose the average "Joe" in a minute or two, and keep to basic, common terms that just about anybody can understand. That's a trait of a good teacher.
what's the difference between a broadtron and filtertron sound wise?
Jim B I’m no expert but to my ear broadtrons sounds similar to a traditional paf humbucker and a filtertron sounds spanky and twangy close to a telecaster.
Christopher Kaesemeyer
yeah I thought that might be the case. I've removed half the pole pieces to take away the lack of definition in the hope that it sounds closer to a filtertron. sounds loads better but don't know if it sounds like a filtertron!
Learning so much from your videos great job.
Wow, great video, I recently got a TMG Tele with a a p-90 in the bridge and I want to put a Filtertron in the neck. So thanks for mentioning that configuration, Im excited to try that!
These are really great and informative videos. Thanks!
Thanks for describing the inside of the Tron, some odd stuff going on there. But but you never said why a regular humbucker is not just a wider tron.
I think you gave the right explanation bout the difference between Filtertrons and PAF's. At least someone that was able to tell these differences... Good job man !
Was waiting for this. Thanks so much. Great info. Yes, please do a gold foil episode. I would also love to see the difference between Bass and Guitar pickups. What is different between a single coil (Jbass/start), humbucker(Pbass/Music Man/PAF), etc. Thanks Dylan, am loving your channel so much.
Will filtertron bolt up to a humbuker hole?
I see you don't appear to be making these anymore. Do you have another source you would recommend to get some more period correct filtertrons?
I have a home build Jupiter Thunderbird with vintage Filtertrons, and i love that sound. Thanks for the video!
Always great knowledge.
Gratulation for 30 000 Followers 👍
I always appreciate the info. Im kind of drawn towards small humbuckers. They sound right for my playing. So I might have to give these a try..i thought I had. But you showed exactly the guitar I tried them on. My first guitar had (awful) top mount pickups no routing! My first real guitar had carvin m22 distortion pickups still have and love them. I don't know why people hate on low output pickups though amps have plenty of drive these days.
Congrats on 30 thousand subscribers!
"Fight me in the comment." Lmao - I love that. Good information here.
Dylan, what makes the different ‘tron pickups different from one another? There’s the filter, dyna, fidela. There are others too but is there something specific that makes these different from one another or is it just the amount of winds on there or something?
Yeah, I still don't get it. This video was really vague he just seemed to ramble on about a whole bunch of stuff that seemed to have no relevance to Filtertrons and I still don't get how the F-Tron is constructed. Why couldn't he just concentrate on the pickups Gretsch used? That would have made a lot more sense to me. Basically, he was trying to tell us how a Creative MP3 player is constructed by telling us how an iPod is constructed.
tiki trash no, he did get into the construction and it helped greatly, really. Maybe you didn’t finish the video? My question was what is the difference between the different types of ‘trons. I do get the difference between them and regular humbuckers, now, but amongst themselves what is the difference you know. That’s what I’d like to know now that we know the difference between a ‘tron and a PAF.
Thanks for the detail; I've been trying to find out what the guts actually were.
That was my question in the last vídeo! Thanks Dylan!
I’ve learned so much from your videos wish I found these earlier on. Keep crushing it!
thank you Dylan .. very useful info
are there actual filtertron pickups that can just switch out with a humbucker?
I have an old harmony rocket from 68 with the mustache pickup, single coil, and the high e string seems weaker. Could I get away with raising the height on that thing using the screw?
Thank you for a brief and very accurate description of these pickups
Another informative video. Thanks.
Very interesting & informative. Can you compare Rickenbacker 50's & 60's toaster pickups and the "Hi Gain" post 1970 pickups please ?
I would be interested in going deeper into types of Filtertrons such as the differences between a TV Jones Classics and Gretsch Filtertron and also the differences between Blacktop Filtertron and TV Jones Powertron. Thx.
Congratulations on 30k followers.
You answer a lot of questions I've always had on your channel. I feel that finding you on UA-cam was a very lucky thing
Really useful information and thank you for taking the time to post.
My next guitar will be a 6120 T Brian Setzer 59 Smoke. I'm getting rid of everything except my 1950's Tele. Thanks for the vid. Your feeding the fire! Fan the flames!
Thank you very informative, definitely will look into changing my pickups on my G2655
Thanks!
You are welcome
Hi Dylan, do you have an opinion on Guitar Fetish (GFS) pickups? They make a filtertron style that i want to try but I'm afraid it might just be a regular humbucker
The reason I'm afraid these GFS "GF'Tron" pickups might be regular humbuckers is the high DC output. Their vintage spec set is wound to 6.2k bridge and 5.8k neck with A2 magnets
How do the humbicker sized filtertrons compare with the gretch ones, and humbuckers?
Really well done.
Alway great to learn more thanks Dylan
Great video. The skinny Les Paul Deluxe pickup (not the P90)... Is it a humbugging pickup? They always seem to sound very clean. Same pickup on the original Epiphone Riveria. What is the story with it?
Another great video & wow that is ALOT of diffrence between the 2 styles of pickups !!
keep this series up it great knowledge
awesome video ... no crap, got to the point quickly, explained it all extremely well ... 5 stars
I have one of the Gretch's with the pickups you're talking about.
They're called "Broadtrons" I think, and it's basically a box-y PAF type pickup.
I actually *LOVE* them in the bridge, but find them very dull in the neck because it's just the same exact pickup.
Great for adding thickness on big overdriven parts in the studio.
I have these in my streamliner (great value for money guitar, check it out) and took half the pole pieces out the neck pickup, brightens it up lots!
I love my broadtrons 🤷
I know this video is two years old, but are the coils on a vintage style filtertron wired in series or in parallel?
It's four years later, and I just ran across your video and channel. Did you do the Gold Foil video? I just got a cheap Tele body 12 string and I'm deciding on pickups for the neck position (leaning towards P90 which I love the tone of, but hey...). I recently got a less expensive Gretsch hollow body, and while the toaster-tron pickups do sound different than a PAF or other humbucker, they probably are simply a humbucker as you mention. I've had an Electromatic with cheap humbuckers for years, and it certainly sounds different than Gibson or Epiphone humbuckers on other guitars I have. I'm considering putting some kind of more authentic Filtertrons on it, but not only for the looks of a real or not "Filtertron". A friend loves his TV Jones Filtertrons on his Gretsch, but the Electromatic is still a cheap guitar that cost me less than one new TV pickup. ...despite my tangent on other pickups, did you do the gold foil review? Thanks, and I just subscribed.
How coils are wired in filtertron, series or parallel?
What do you think about Gretsch's MegaTrons? The ones they put in the G5135 Corvette.
To me, they are not really filtertrons but I really love them. They have sound somewhere in the middle of the road between a Tele and an SG, at least to my ears.
Always wondered this. Will watch.
What about the Megatrons - what are those in relation to Filtertrons? Not to be confused with the TV Jones Magnatrons, Megatrons were factory installed in the Gretsch Electromatic Corvettes/CVTs. But I'm not sure what makes them distinct.
Have you tried the TV Jones filtertron Pups?
Thanks for info I learned a lot
I really wanted this one. Always very curious to know the difference between 'trons and regular humbuckers.
Now i am curious as to what and why are the sound differences between wrhb and filtertron.
we just did a wide range video
I saw it. It just occured to me that both seem to have the same or at least similar end result with output, so do they have a similar sound or does the size make a big difference or the type of magnet or individual pole pieces make a difference (or all of the above)? I've never quite understood why a magnet pole piece makes a huge difference versus a magnetized screw pole piece. Actually, I don't personally hear such a big difference between the two I can say that is what makes the difference when there are so many other variables to consider.
Have you done any on gold foil pick ups? I know you mentioned it briefly in this video, and I would be very interested in it. Sometime back I played a supro that had foil pick ups, and I thought it was quite tasty.
Where does the T.V. Jones PowerTron Plus fit into all of this?
I have a Strat with one in the bridge position...
In a previous video of humbucker pickups, you mentioned that the regular humbuckers are two coils in one pickup wired out of phase to each other. Are the filtertrons made like that too, with the two coils wired out phase? Also my understanding is that both the regular humbucker and also the filtertrons are wired in series the two pickup coils in relate to each other. Thanks
Whoa! You mean wretch guitars don't really use filertrons? I have a 5422 and it says on the web site that they are filertrons. Are they ripping everyone off?
Can you review the Tim Shaw Custom Shop Filtertron pickup that was featured in the Fender Rarities Koa top Stratocaster? It has what almost looks like a P-rail configuration, and I can't find any specs for this thing. Would love to know more about that and the gold foils that are used in the neck and middle positions as well! Thanks!
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Awesome.
From Leo: I have Filtertron equiped Gretsch's. that are back to early 1960's. The collector price of the 1954/1955 Chet Atkins models with the hand wound Ray Butts pickups are way above my comfort level. The HiLo (single coils) are amazingly articulate and loud, especially compared to other single coils of the time. I still like them. String height adjustment on a Filtertron (or DeArmond) is done with proper spacers, not springs and sponges. The covers pretty much hold the Filtertron together. I do adjust the screws if I need to balance the volume. Never had one fall apart or rattle. Most of them are solid mounted to the wood, so it cannot move. You are correct about some of the Streamliner series having the Fender influenced humbuckers. They even mount like a regular humbucker, they are voiced for a more crisp, open sound leaning toward a Filtertron. The new BroadTrons on the Gretsch Jet guitars are shaped and sized like a FIlterTron, but are clean voiced more like a 1960's humbucker. The is a little disappointing to a Gretsch fan, but they do make the guitars appeal to a far wider group of customers. It is fun to look at all the different ways that people figured out to make magnetic pickups over the years. I have taken apart vintage Japanese pickups where they did not even have a magnet, just a bunch on magnetized iron dust in a blob of glue on a paper wound coils
So, what's your axe in your band, then?
I play whatever I have at the moment as my personal guitar changes all the time, but most of the time it's some sort of hotrodded tele style.
I have been looking at upgrading my stock ceramic pickups and have had so many questions about what the difference is with the different types of humbuckers and what makes them sound different-- and why some of the budget models don't actually sound the way they are supposed to.
I know with my Gretsch G2220 bass, the "humbuckers" didn't have bobbins, they were just rail magnets with a single overwound pickup and two ceramic magnets underneath.
How much do they cost?
Here’s a great video idea.. can you dissect what makes “gold foils” gold foils. Maybe some information about different types. I know there are dozens of types.
As a devout vintage Harmony enthusiast, that video would make me tingly in my nethers. There's a lot of people selling "gold foils," and none of them sound very authentic. I haven't tried the lollar version, but that's a stupid amount of money to pay for a recreation of something that you can still occasionally find for cheap at a flea market, and I'm not willing to front that.
robotsongs how would you describe the tone?
@@carlosu1021 To what, the originals? If so, I'd say very strong, very clear, somewhat glassy, excellently balanced when you roll the tone back a bit. In some ways and in some situations they sound like piezos - very "acoustic" - which can be good or bad depending on the setup. Gold foils are a lot like the guitars that originally had them-- they can be temperamental, difficult, and can take effort to make work, but when they do, goddamn watch out. You want to hit that funky 70s Motown or late 60s lo-fi jazz-funk sound? They're your ticket.
as far as i'm aware of, there are two unrelated families of pickups that are "gold foils", one is the DeArmond/Harmony type, the other is a Japanese/Teisco type... Almost all of the newer gold foils are trying to be like the second type. I think Curtis Novak might be the only one doing a repro of the DeArmond type.
lunarpollen I love both kinds. If I had to describe their sound I’d say they have the output of p90s but with a clearer high end that can be very chimney style times.
Pete T recorded who’s next with the Gretsch, so the filtertrons deff rock,
How about Gretsch electromatic series? Looks like they are filtertrons but are they?
I purchased the newer gretsch ratrod 5410t because of the better pickups. I did some research and found that the gretsch streamliner has regular filtertrons. And the Jr jet also regular filtertrons. My question is what do you think about the black top filtertrons vs the ones they use on the other editions? Thanks
Great. Thx mate. What do need to replace a p90 with a filter Tyron in my tele on neck position? Looking for a replacement in my les Paul on bridge position too… can you provide some profound info? Thx in advance.
Woohoooo! Great to see you got to 30k!. I really like these info videos. Can you demonstrate the difference in sound in a hi-lo tron and a Fender-type single coil?
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