Are Bearings the Future of Nerf Accuracy?
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- Опубліковано 2 сер 2024
- In this video I compare the new bearing SCAR barrel from Jing Jia (Flag & Armor) against a more traditional string-based Nerf rifling. Lower friction? Better accuracy? Let's find out.
I'm using the Zhenwei CRS100 blaster for this testing, which includes a velocity comparison to see how much FPS is lost with each and an accuracy comparison.
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0:00 Intro
1:53 Overview
3:12 High FPS Chrono Test
5:55 Low FPS Chrono Test
7:05 No Attachment Accuracy
9:24 No Attachment Results
9:36 String Accuracy
12:25 String Results
12:30 Bearing Accuracy
15:27 Bearing Results
15:42 Conclusion - Розваги
This is some very interesting stuff. Thank you for casually dropping the line about flywheelers, I am currently looking at taking out a loan against my house to clean out monkee mods when they get a stock in.
I bet with a some blasters you could put it inside the shell, right in front of the cage. Idk about a stryfe, but a rayven could fit one internally for sure
@@joelnord4699 excellent point, thank you!
I believe that you will.... if I don't clean them out first. XD
I'm the chief designer of Flag&Armour,I am very glad to see the review of this product.
I want to point out that if the correct bearing scar is used, nerf will perform better. It is recommended to use type-A for high muzzle velocity, which is 5° bearing scar, and Type-A is also suitable for most nerfs. For nerf with lower muzzle velocity, it is recommended to use bearing scar with a slightly larger angle, such as type-B or type-C.
According to our tests and customer feedback, the original MK3 Challenger is suitable for type-B. Nerf with a muzzle velocity lower than 40M/S recommends using type-C, and Nerf with a muzzle velocity higher than 60M/S recommends using Type-A.
BTW, the type-A bearing scar has good performance after being installed on various nerf with muzzle velocity, but it is more suitable for nerf with muzzle velocity higher than 60M/S.
If you want more products to be tested, you can contact me and I will mail you more test samples for free.
Since you’re the chief of design there, can you see about making some of these that fits on a Nexus Pro muzzle port?
@@MalakaiSchuhart There are not many users of NEXUS pro in mainland China, we haven't done the design for NEXUS pro yet. But we have designed a suppressor looking bearing scar with metal shell right now.
Hello Flag & Armour Engineer! please can you allow your product to be shipped to Canada and United States. also made to fit 16mm od. Thank you!!
@@paulmcewen7384 We are trying to ship our products to Canada and the United States. How can I contact you?
@@cdpdswat email is best, but I don't want to post my personal email publicly. Do you have a business email I can reach you at?
The pace of innovation in this hobby is astounding.
It's what happens when you make real guns incredibly hard to get...men make things (airsoft, nerft, paintball, bows, trebuchet ect) to fill that base desire to shoot other males in "combat"
@@MrCadet08 wtf are you waffling about we're playing with toys
@@esOwOhe’s not wrong. After firearms were cracked down on in Australia, airsoft took off. After airsoft was banned they made gel blasters
@@wiseguy8438 yeah hes right there, im just lost on the "base desire to shoot other males in combat" thats a little mentally ill
Funnily enough the pace of humiliation in this hobby is also astounding ✌️
I did some math and reached an interesting conclusion. The friction of string scars rob a fixed amount of energy from the dart no matter the fps. So at lower fps a string scar is robbing a higher percentage of the dart's energy. But I calculated that the energy required to spin up one bearing is 0.6% of the dart's energy, so 5.4% for 9 bearings, no matter the fps. This explains why bearing scars perform better at low fps and worse at high fps.
The total percentage loss in a bearing scar still varies a bit depending on the fps because the bearings have some friction, and you have different optimal barrel lengths depending on the fps.
Very interesting. I had some doubts about the bearings taking energy from the dart to spin up, but it looks like they were totally unfounded.
As a side note, I hope it comes in orange. All scars should have an orange option.
I think from photos of the Challenger Mk3 it has an orange one
Thanks so much for doing this. When I first saw them I thought they might be a 'gimmick' but you really showed that they improve accuracy. Funny to think that only three years ago there were many people arguing that scars don't impart spin or improve accuracy - how far we have come eh?
I remember having to prove scar barrels actually worked. Haha
This hobby has taken off so much from when I last looked into it as a kid. I was into nerf mods when it was all Stephen's, removing air restricors and spring changes.
Oh man, that no-SCAR accuracy test was hilarious. I actually sprayed a little coffee between my lips at one point 😆
Great video. I have been wondering about that for a while but no way to make or test it so I’m glad someone did it and it works. Keep up the great work man.
Excellent video. Thanks so much
Great review!
I would like to see a video on this being used with a flywheeler. Maybe with some different setups for best impact.
If I had a flywheel blaster I'd give it a try but might have to be someone else
@@BradleyPhillipsYT No more FDL videos?
@@flamingfoam44 haven't had them for a couple of years now
Fantastic content as always.
Excellent Results, 👍Thanks Bradley !!! 🌟🌟🌟🔫
I find it funny that you are talking about SCAR barrels while using a blaster that looks like an FN SCAR. Also I think this device is a game changer not just for high performance blasters but for the vast majority, that still use stock nerf blasters
Great video!
Fancy! Looks so cool
I would really love to see Bradley test how bearing scars preform on high velocity fly wheel blasters
I would need a high velocity flywheel blaster first
@@BradleyPhillipsYT if had to guess I think a short bearing scar with low twist might get the best performance. But I don’t know cause I only us high velocity springers
That’s sick!
Your my favorite youtuber
Broad side of a bun. Love it
Good review on the barrel comparison. Target colour dots are a bit off could have been even tighter grouping.
Awesome
Hey Bradley, excellent video. Will look into getting one of these for my swift
Will you be doing a review in the future of the QWK challenger MKiii?
Thanks mate
Yes I will assuming QWK can send me one
Dangit dude I haven't even ordered the Caliburn4 yet and it seems like there's something new already. Makes me wonder what the standards will be next year. Cheers!
You could line a target with graphite transfer paper to leave impressions where the dart hits. This would help with your accuracy tests, giving you an actual group of hits to look at like when testing firearms firearms, rather than relying on watching the video back.
That grouping is nuts for NERF darts.
Yepper I see one in my future
This looks interesting. Wonder how it will work on my stryfe?
Nerfing is advancing quick. Who knows what we'll make in the future. It's gonna be epic tho 👌
I need one! Still got my xzeus omega LS with 22kg spring.
👍👍
Thats pretty clever
I sand the inner diameter of the inside of my scar barrels to reduce that friction while also keeping the benefits of the scar barrel in tact. I just roll some sandpaper around a pencil and give it several sessions of sanding while pushing a dart through and spining it to feel how much ive sanded and where i need to sand more. You can take off alot of material while still keeping its function i definitely recommend giving it a go
Do you think dart wear would be less with the bearings over the fish line in the long run?
Quite likely
Would a longer bearing barrel improve performance or would it just be more of a cosmetic to increase the length? This is because I now want to make a bearing Scar barrel longer, with a 12 degree tilt and then covering it to give it a suppressor look to it.
Do you think that the bearing scar hitting right of the string scar could be indicative of a spin drift discrepancy from different spin velocities? Or do you think it's some other effect?
I wonder what your thoughts are on the different angle options? Would you chose a lesser or higher angle depending on velocity of the blaster? The middle option that you are testing here seems to be effective all the way from stock nerf to high FPS; so what would be the reason for going with the other angles ?
The velocity of the dart also determines how much spin the dart receives so I'd suggest 10 degrees could be perfect for all velocities but worth a try with others
@@BradleyPhillipsYT thanks for your reply; that makes a lot of sense 👍
In terms of physics, dart stability improvement is dependan on a specific rotational speed (rpm). So for a given rifling twist rate (degrees of rotation per distance traveled) the rpm increases as dart velocity increases. Too little velocity for a given twist rate and the dart will not spin fast enough to achieve best acvuracy; too much velocity for a given twist rate and an out-of-phase harmonic developes that causes the dart tumble which in turn reduces both accuracy and downrange velocity. In short, the lower the velocity, the faster the twist rate you need and vice versa. Less speed, more twist; more speed, less twist.
@@timothycampbell495 that's a great explanation thanks.
I'm curious to see how the bearing SCAR directly compares to SCARs with printed rifling. Seems like the main reason why string SCARs affect FPS so much is by increasing your twist you're effectively decreasing the ID of the scar. Printed rifling won't have that issue so I'm curious how the two compare to each other.
Printed rifling is usually worse than string for slowing down darts
These will all be depending on the quality of the bearings. You get some super silky bearings for ultimate smoothness.ThankQ. TkEZ>UK
Guess imma be investing in some bearing SCARS to replace the string ones. Do you know if any English sites will be carrying the Challenger? Been waiting for that one to release.
I wonder if Blasterfy will retool it's barrels to use bearings. Has to be some form of time savings over stringing SCARS.
Is that the new Worker Bamboos or a different new dart?
Monkeemods will be carrying the Challenger
Darts were Worker black foam orange tip
I think they should mold grooves into the darts themselves like a shotgun slug to get it started. I believe in theory the dart should start spinning as it travels the barrel
the friction of the barrel might stop the dart from spinning tho, i think it's fine at this state.
Sorry to bring this up but it seemed that you were holding the blaster at different positions/distances to the chronograph during each testing. Would this effect the results?
The amount a dart would slow down in the couple of inches difference if there was any difference would be insignificant.
@@BradleyPhillipsYT Thank you for this information
Would it be worth getting the 15 degree or do you think the 10 works good for heigh fps around 300. Was thinking of getting one and just paint it orange
I'd go with 10 or even 5. I think 15 would be too much spin.
excellent video
What are those small ridges inside made of? Will they bite into your barrel?
The ridges are resin 3d printed, so no they don't bite into metal barrels.
Little tip: 旌 actually means【indicate feather used by ancient Chinese basic combat unit】and offen been translated as banner, flag is 旗.
Their logo says Flag and Armor. I show the logo in the video.
@@BradleyPhillipsYT Roger
Paintball speeds unreal
B-scar is the best ❤
With bearing SCARs existing now, do you see yourself using a 400+ FPS flywheeler instead of a springer?
I'm not a nerfer since I quite like the range and accuracy advantages not to mention ammo cost and coolness, but it would certainly be interesting to see a .300 cal micro dart flywheeler or springer being made, as it may actually compete quite well with airsoft seeing as you can hit people at 70m, about the effective range of most snipers unless they have too much time on their hands and manage to do 110m.
Also, may be interesting to try putting a suppressor on a springer and doing a bunch of sound mods like putting foam and aluminum tape in hollow areas, or a layer of automotive dampener mat in the worst of places, maybe wrapped around a plunger tube, as us airsofters can achieve an extremely quiet, nearly silent gun perfect for stealthy snipe stuff.
It remains to be seen whether flywheel can achieve the same accuracy as spring or HPA, but if they could then I might consider it
400 FPS flywheels are currently not possible, flywheels generally cap around 200 FPS
@@reeces.pieces3 Yes, I'm well aware, but I'm sure it could be done with different ammo, motors, wheels, and abtteries, but definitely not with standard darts and motors
I have a whole new respect for nerf. Is there a way to mod the ammo? Heavier weight or stabellizer fins?
Heavier would work and has been done before. Fins would be more difficult. Keep in mind the heavier you go the more energy delivered on impact though so most groups don't allow it.
Nice scope, where do i get that
I don't care about the copying for 2 reasons.
1st is simply legal. If the MK3 designers wanted exclusive production rights patents exist for a reason but imho it's not significantly different from a scar to deserve a patent.
2nd is the scar innovation was originally done by community members as free and open source. Unless your scar barrel exactly the same as someone elses then it's not copying.
Also we have been completely comfortable with copying hasbro's designs and other companies too. For example worker don't pay kriss a license fee for using their design on the vector kit. Either this is an open and collaborative hobby or it isn't. The only issue I take is with direct carbon copies. Everything else is just modding
what about a barrel consisting of rotating flywheels each set the spin at high velocity as the soft nerf projectile speeds down the length of the barrel . i lack the funds and resources to accomplish this feet. it would functions very similarly in design of a coil gun. if anybody would care experiment please show your results.
Flywheels aren't usually very consistent. This is using the dart itself to spin the bearings so I think it's able to be more consistent.
Make Test Battle did a feature on a 'infinity gauntlet' flywheel blaster using six cages in series as you describe. The velocity is effected but the accuracy remains questionable at best.
Yo Bradley where’s the small darts from China video coming?
Not sure, haven't actually tested them yet
@@BradleyPhillipsYT oh but you posted a photo of like 500 fps
Contentwise absolutely brilliant but lacks a bit enthusiasm 😉👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
i have a question, anyone heard of full metal internals in a retaliator (all from worker) with a 28n spring, and how much fps would i be looking at? thanks. as well how much is 28n in kg?
I'd guess around 200-230fps and it would be a very heavy prime
@@BradleyPhillipsYT thanks
do you think the bearing scar is on par with the blaster tech scar?
Yes
Because of physics the scar does make the dart spin and stabilize it's flight. It's not because the scar barrel slows down dart to get accuracy again. I'm curious to know if a canted flywheel blaster well profit from a scar?
Flywheel blasters in general are too inconsistent with dart position as they leave the muzzle to benefit from one
Will it fit worker barrels which their doing for their flywheel cages?
It fits worker 16mm OD barrels like they use in their springers. No idea about flywheels.
I think the worker scar is better with high fps blasters but worse than bearings at low fps
Anybody else miss the garbage bin target
Is their a us retailer who carry these barring barrels ?
Has anyone had any success running the bearing SCAR on a flywheel?
Are these bearing attachments out yet?
does it work on just a normal nerf blaster
Is higher degree better for for higher FPS or is lower degree better for higher FPS?
The F&A engineer seems to say lower degrees for higher FPS while SCAR traditionalists say higher degrees for higher FPS. If you can clarify that it’d be nice, theres a lot of conflicting answers I’ve gotten.
Higher for higher, lower for lower
Does this damage the darts? How many times could you fire the same dart?
They are very reusable. Probably endless use over and over if you pick them up.
im so PISSED I THOUGHT THIS COULD BE A THING I SHOULDVE CALLED IT DAMMIT
i wonder if something like that would work on a gel blaster?
Gels are round so it would need to be a hopup not rifling
@@BradleyPhillipsYT Rifling/Spinning works on spherical projectiles in terms of making them go straight (not veer right or left), but it doesn't also increase distance like backspin does. So it probably isn't worth doing. (PS. I hope this doesn't sound like a "well actually" comment)
I'm sure if rifling worked as well as hopup for spherical projectiles, Airsoft being a 30yr old sport now would have tried it 😉
@@BradleyPhillipsYT very true!
That toaboa link isn’t working for me. Anyone selling these in the US?
They've changed it so you need to create a Taobao account now
WHAT SCOPE DO YOU USE
eu.novritsch.com/product/1-4x-variable-scope/
Does it works for dart zone max stryker?
I don't personally own that blaster but with the way dart zone usually design theirs I'd say you'll need to extend your barrel in order to be able to attach this.
Not on a the stock barrel you’d need to switch it out for at least an 8in or longer one
But Brad...rifling doesn't improve accuracy, these are just Nerf darts... 😒
Lol I remember when people had that mind set
That dart rotation clip is ((bite lip))
Figured it's the best way to show it spins the dart lol
how much of an angle would you recommend on these bearing scars for a 200FPS brassed nexus pro or a cheetah 2.0? 5...10...?
Probably 10 degree
Is there no way to get this in orange?
Not sure if they made an orange one, wasn't really a priority of theirs
@@BradleyPhillipsYT Out of Darts actually sells this bcar on their site in orange. Which I didn't know prior to posting that comment. I found it on accident. So if anyone else needs to know in the future! That's where you get it in orange!
Would this fit on a m79
With the stock barrels, yes
@@BradleyPhillipsYT ok but not the spectre hybrid?
Spectre hybrid also, but not the AF Pro barrel. Keep in mind the hybrid has threaded end but this should still friction fit on.
@@BradleyPhillipsYT have you tested all barrels? I'm curios wich one is better. The spectre barrel does lean to one side wich I'm not really happy with
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Lol. My grand-kids don't even bother with nerf.
First!