I learned a rule of thumb across all VICE documentaries about China - all negative views that resonate with western ideologies are ‘outspoken’ by fluent English-speaking ‘Chinese’, while the more objective ones are mostly in native Mandarin, however the translation is not always accurate, so many exaggeration and absolutization are spotted in a single production.
their translation is so off! especially with the person around 12'20''. Vice get an actual translator that understands chinese better, and then do your reporting!
Vice is a pro-West propaganda that has been "hipsterized" to appeal to young Westerners. Vice literally started as a skater/punk/hipster freezine in the 1990s. I used to read it all the time 🙂 Propaganda in the West is not produced by the government. It's produced by the system. This system is made up of the government, the corporations, the academia, the opinion leaders, etc. The may appear to be hostile towards each other from the outside (especially the so-called free press versus the government), but in reality they work together to preserve Western global domination.
Ask how Chinese people enjoy 996 life. They would be too exhausted to listen to punk. These groups are commercialised for consumption, not for political punk action.
@@zippymufo9765 whatever you say kid, anti-censorship is key to punk rock and many, many punk bands have got in trouble with censors, and they told those censors to fuck off, therfore it logically follows that if you are in band that only plays what the government allow, you're not punk regardless of the actual music, FFS they literally admit they don't actually know what it means to be a punk rocker, they are posers who wouldn't survive 5 minutes at a real punk gig, you on the other hand are just a moron
@@zippymufo9765 "During their initial incarnation between 1978 and 1986, they attracted considerable controversy for their provocative lyrics and artwork. Several stores refused to stock their recordings, provoking debate about censorship in rock music; in the mid-1980s, vocalist and primary lyricist Jello Biafra became an active campaigner against the Parents Music Resource Center" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Kennedys
@@stocktonjoans Just stop. You're a whiny over-privleged brat with no perspective. You sit in a comfy Western society where you're allowed to run your mouth at will and have the nerve to criticize other peoples who actually can go to jail just for criticizing their government. You sound like a kid who thinks "oppression" is not getting to dye your hair blue.
Some great music! As for Wuwei’s final comments, I agree. The vast majority here are incredibly happy with the government. Maybe, they don’t know any better. Maybe they’re unaware of the things their government has been doing. It becomes complicated when you’re on the outside (of the country, or the nationality), yelling at them to be angry when as far as they’re aware, they have no right to be.
@@rickyricardo5441 Nope, I'm not a hypocrite sitting on my ass in a comfy Western country and criticizing people in a different situation for not thinking and acting like me.
why don't you mind your own business and stop acting a savior? And to be honest ,you are the worst savior. Bombing less free countries to free them. Killing millions to defend human rights you defined. Do me a favor , free yourself first.
i don't think you know where the 'core' of punk even lived... you are clearly judging the commercialized version of something that you have no historical sense of. ... rather, it's sort of scary how china imported washed over, yes, commercialized and emptied in meaning, western music. that is the seriously concerning part: no local creative streak, just like the late, decadent, west. but wasn't china developing? when the west did, the outsiders, invented punk, or the blues, jazz, rock'n'roll, and it's sad that you seem to believe that it's about 'rebellion' and not about actual freedom to be, to think, with your own loser head, that allows for authentic expession to turn into art that has a soul.
@@chiarayavhnoska966 Freedom to me, is a state that won't generate "punk", "blues", and the word "loser" in the first place. If something like that arises, it means something goes wrong. Freedom to you is:"Losers don't understand punk". This is exactly the way your ideology wants you to think. BTW, I'm not saying I can't appreciate art like rock music. But the form should not be so isometric.
@@okisdr Does it hurt authoritarian? I don't think so. It has an appearance / disguise, but it's basically music industry. I have yet to see punk singers success in any revolution. Contrarily, Frenchmen in 1789, Russians in 1917 didn't sing Punk songs.
@@SL-zv7sf Punk is a subculture, it's a way of life that includes values. One of those values are a despise of goverments, authorities and politics. You simply dont understand what Punk is and only made that funny response because you're a Chinese nationalist. Punks dont care about revolutions, they dont believe in the idea of politics nor goverments.
@@okisdr It's hilarious that what I said sounds hilarious to you. It's also hilarious that you think I don't know the concept of punk. Chinese nationalist is Chinese ver. of zionist. I don't buy that. I'm an internationalist.
I thought the CCP saw punk as fascist and Rock’n’roll , hip hop, house, techno, electro, blues, jazz, R&B and country as instruments of American imperialism.
Some guys in this ‘documentary’ is totally bullshitting. And I suspect they’re ACTUALLY either Taiwanese or lived most of their lives in western countries. I know some Wuhan and other cities underground bands people, those dudes 90% don’t speak English, not mentioning the level of fluency.
@@jakepalmer6084 I never said he was a singer, he's just the biggest pussy there. You can continue to ignore that fact that they're hypocrites and Tom morello always thinks he should be treated like a princess for being famous. There singer is cool though.
@@anotherbigfootwithinternet2147 Tom Morello is hands down one of the best living musicians on this planet. Thats not even up for debate, its a well agreed upon fact. His technical skill is top tier, is self taught, and didnt even start playing until he was 17. Not to mention his degree from HARVARD. Who are you again?
@@cptrelentless80085 nah, left and right complement each other, and the U.S. has left-right, but the politics, not the country, is more divided than its counterparts, like Australia, Singapore, Japan, and so on.
I learned a rule of thumb across all VICE documentaries about China - all negative views that resonate with western ideologies are ‘outspoken’ by fluent English-speaking ‘Chinese’, while the more objective ones are mostly in native Mandarin, however the translation is not always accurate, so many exaggeration and absolutization are spotted in a single production.
their translation is so off! especially with the person around 12'20''. Vice get an actual translator that understands chinese better, and then do your reporting!
Totally agree with it!!
Vice is a pro-West propaganda that has been "hipsterized" to appeal to young Westerners.
Vice literally started as a skater/punk/hipster freezine in the 1990s. I used to read it all the time 🙂
Propaganda in the West is not produced by the government. It's produced by the system. This system is made up of the government, the corporations, the academia, the opinion leaders, etc. The may appear to be hostile towards each other from the outside (especially the so-called free press versus the government), but in reality they work together to preserve Western global domination.
VICE IS THE GOVERNMENT!
Ask how Chinese people enjoy 996 life. They would be too exhausted to listen to punk.
These groups are commercialised for consumption, not for political punk action.
i know this is a bit "No true Punk" phalacy, but real punks don't too exhausted to listen to punk, no matter how hard they work
CCP already banned 996 lol
Not the whole country works 996 it’s more tech company’s that do, and that still doesn’t affect your passion for music or artistic expression either
The punk rock group should be called the “Chinese bioweapon” lol
What’s the price to sell out?
11:32 Tudou's body language is so different compared to Wuwei's. He talks like he doesn't really believe what he's saying. He looks so resigned.
im sorry but reading body language isnt a real thing, let alone the fact hes from a whole other country
@@redscare4589 Oh I see. I never knew that. I guess I learned something new today. Thanks man.
if not for the strict censorship , im pretty this music would been way more popular in China
Everything would be more popular if the CCP wasn't blocking and banning everything. ¬_¬
if you're a chinese punk and you're not in trouble with the CAB, you're not a chinese punk, at best you're chinese pop' music
Spoken like a true colonialist 😂
@@zippymufo9765 whatever you say kid, anti-censorship is key to punk rock and many, many punk bands have got in trouble with censors, and they told those censors to fuck off, therfore it logically follows that if you are in band that only plays what the government allow, you're not punk regardless of the actual music, FFS they literally admit they don't actually know what it means to be a punk rocker, they are posers who wouldn't survive 5 minutes at a real punk gig, you on the other hand are just a moron
@@zippymufo9765 "During their initial incarnation between 1978 and 1986, they attracted considerable controversy for their provocative lyrics and artwork. Several stores refused to stock their recordings, provoking debate about censorship in rock music; in the mid-1980s, vocalist and primary lyricist Jello Biafra became an active campaigner against the Parents Music Resource Center"
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Kennedys
Ramones - Censorshit
ua-cam.com/video/ivyozxjd4eE/v-deo.html
@@stocktonjoans Just stop. You're a whiny over-privleged brat with no perspective. You sit in a comfy Western society where you're allowed to run your mouth at will and have the nerve to criticize other peoples who actually can go to jail just for criticizing their government. You sound like a kid who thinks "oppression" is not getting to dye your hair blue.
Some great music! As for Wuwei’s final comments, I agree. The vast majority here are incredibly happy with the government. Maybe, they don’t know any better. Maybe they’re unaware of the things their government has been doing. It becomes complicated when you’re on the outside (of the country, or the nationality), yelling at them to be angry when as far as they’re aware, they have no right to be.
Colonialism is colonialism, even lefty Westerners think they have the right to tell other peoples what to do.
@@zippymufo9765 So your a CCP fan I see.
@@rickyricardo5441 Nope, I'm not a hypocrite sitting on my ass in a comfy Western country and criticizing people in a different situation for not thinking and acting like me.
why don't you mind your own business and stop acting a savior?
And to be honest ,you are the worst savior. Bombing less free countries to free them. Killing millions to defend human rights you defined. Do me a favor , free yourself first.
@@张洞 That is a lot to say that you are just a CCP simp.
Punk sounds and looks like rebel, but it's consumerism at its core. + The subtitles are NOT what the man is speaking at all around 12:00 ~13:00
i don't think you know where the 'core' of punk even lived... you are clearly judging the commercialized version of something that you have no historical sense of. ... rather, it's sort of scary how china imported washed over, yes, commercialized and emptied in meaning, western music. that is the seriously concerning part: no local creative streak, just like the late, decadent, west. but wasn't china developing? when the west did, the outsiders, invented punk, or the blues, jazz, rock'n'roll, and it's sad that you seem to believe that it's about 'rebellion' and not about actual freedom to be, to think, with your own loser head, that allows for authentic expession to turn into art that has a soul.
@@chiarayavhnoska966 Freedom to me, is a state that won't generate "punk", "blues", and the word "loser" in the first place. If something like that arises, it means something goes wrong. Freedom to you is:"Losers don't understand punk". This is exactly the way your ideology wants you to think. BTW, I'm not saying I can't appreciate art like rock music. But the form should not be so isometric.
Punk is not popular in France anymore too
There are so many great punk bands coming out of France though.
@@opossum4463 Yes ! I think my 2 favorite were Béruriers Noirs and Sales majestés
Punk and pro establishment is the opposite of eachother, what a poser!
Interestingly, Chinese establishment would be regarded as Punk if they are in the US. These two countries are like mirrored.
@@SL-zv7sf No it wouldnt because punk is anti authoritarian, you obviously dont know what punk culture actually is.
@@okisdr Does it hurt authoritarian? I don't think so. It has an appearance / disguise, but it's basically music industry. I have yet to see punk singers success in any revolution. Contrarily, Frenchmen in 1789, Russians in 1917 didn't sing Punk songs.
@@SL-zv7sf Punk is a subculture, it's a way of life that includes values. One of those values are a despise of goverments, authorities and politics.
You simply dont understand what Punk is and only made that funny response because you're a Chinese nationalist. Punks dont care about revolutions, they dont believe in the idea of politics nor goverments.
@@okisdr It's hilarious that what I said sounds hilarious to you. It's also hilarious that you think I don't know the concept of punk. Chinese nationalist is Chinese ver. of zionist. I don't buy that. I'm an internationalist.
So main point is that "Punk Rock Music is about taking bus to work with angry bus driver, on that road through life"
Freedom of expression shouldn't be banned, oppressed and steered.
You're right. Trump should get his Twitter back.
Yeah? We all know he'll either go missing /dead or to detention camp/jail...
I thought the CCP saw punk as fascist and Rock’n’roll , hip hop, house, techno, electro, blues, jazz, R&B and country as instruments of American imperialism.
还记得2010年的暑假，堂哥带我参加吴维的婚礼，婚礼上还见到大狗。怀念那一年的武汉监狱，那些疯狂和自由的日子
The punk rock group should be called the “Chinese bioweapon” lol
" NEW YEARS EVE 2022 TOMORROW " !!!
Exactly what I just love waking up to in my feed Vice thank you 🙏🏼😅🥲but awesome people God bless us all
@10:37 that is very VERY dangerous and opens them up to possible false flag operations in the future.
" THE SAINTS " 😎😎😎
Fucking heroes. This world is corrupted.
This is pretty sad honestly. Why bother making a type of music dedicated to being against established order if you’re still just a shill for it?
TuDou should quit SMZB lol
Some guys in this ‘documentary’ is totally bullshitting. And I suspect they’re ACTUALLY either Taiwanese or lived most of their lives in western countries. I know some Wuhan and other cities underground bands people, those dudes 90% don’t speak English, not mentioning the level of fluency.
" Oi . Oi . Oi " !!!
you cant rebel to the force of nature lol
chinese goverment is cringe lol
Says the Indonesian XD
@@Zenboy23 😂
Rage for the machine 🤣😆😆
😇
These guys are more true to what they sing about than Tom morello and rage against the machine ever will be.
Tom doesn't sing, he's lead guitar. If you're going to insult RATM at least do it right.
@@jakepalmer6084 I never said he was a singer, he's just the biggest pussy there. You can continue to ignore that fact that they're hypocrites and Tom morello always thinks he should be treated like a princess for being famous. There singer is cool though.
@@anotherbigfootwithinternet2147 Tom Morello is hands down one of the best living musicians on this planet. Thats not even up for debate, its a well agreed upon fact. His technical skill is top tier, is self taught, and didnt even start playing until he was 17. Not to mention his degree from HARVARD. Who are you again?
@@jakepalmer6084 I'm talking about character, not music skills, and he's overrated
@@anotherbigfootwithinternet2147 idk "some of those that work forces are the same that burn crosses" has been pretty evergreen
I hate these kind of people! Makes me sick
Vice actually put out a decent video?
Side note: anyone else notice that the CCP acts like the American Left?
No, no we didn't. 😒
America doesn’t have a left. You have far right and centre-right
@@cptrelentless80085 nah, left and right complement each other, and the U.S. has left-right, but the politics, not the country, is more divided than its counterparts, like Australia, Singapore, Japan, and so on.
If America had a left leaning party with any amount of strength "union" wouldn't be a scare word
@@cptrelentless80085 the two parties arent left but you have lots of lefties especially on college campuses