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My sweet summer children, I expected more detective work than this. What does someone do in Brenner's situation? Kill Henry and all other possible psychic children? Does he leave them in the general public to kill and cause chaos until they killed enough innocent people to be found and "Maybe" taken down? I know you both know better than that but let your own biases dictate your hate. Don't get me wrong, he's definitely done some terrible things. However, he's the reason those kids weren't hunted down by the Government years ago and taught them to use their powers for good. He even figured out a way to prevent them from using their abilities safely. He is right, Jane/El is to blame for freeing Henry. She's to blame for banishing him to the Upside down. She's the reason but she didn't know or understand her actions. Had Brenner not trained El, she might not have been powerful enough to fight against Henry before he killed her. Remember, he started with animals and his own family. Imagine letting him live in society killing people with his mind. No one would be able to stop him or know what he's doing. It's Kira all over again but instead of "criminals" it's anyone he wants. Also, El has killed and I believe that's the plot thread for season 5, they set up here and last season. El will have to become a monster to defeat the monster and die herself. Her powers and others like her out there will eventually spawn more Henry. 8 was supposed to show you that. She was willing to kill and if she had El powers, she wouldn't need a gun to do so. Hope you realize where this story is going, "better to die a hero than live long enough to see yourself become the villain."
One more episode and you’ll be seemingly waiting an eternity for the final season with the rest of us. Thank you for allowing us to relive this with you.
Argyle saves them from evil agent men, takes them on a three day road trip across multiple states, helps them bury a body, and provides much needed comic relief to a team comprised of the show's most serious characters and he is FINALLY contributing by finding the tracks?
@@bobdondalike not seeing the full picture. Misreading the situation, not reading the room. Aka not seeing what will was REALLY talking about in his heart to heart & also not seeing that his friend is crying to himself right next to him. You know, how Ted is always blissfully unaware of things 😂
Hot take: Don't Stop Believin' is not good. Separate Ways is bar none the best Journey song and should have all of the popularity Don't Stop Believin' has.
The band who performed that song "Separate Ways" is Journey. I highly recommend a lot of their songs like:- - After all these years - Open Arms - Faithfully - Dont stop believin
Am i the only one who felt like Brenner asking, "what have u done?", was in reference to pulling out 001's chip thing? Like he knew thats what had occurred and led to all of this?
I dont see how anyone could give Brenner any understanding or forgiveness. He tortured kids and locked them up and did experiments on them. He stole Jane from her mother and then fried her brain. The man is a monster.
Season 4 just had banger episodes, but the last one is just chef's kiss 🤏💅🏻 great review about brenner and his character, i feel that way about him too and I was so elated when El didn't say anything to him 😂
Papa was a monster - yes, he believed he was right and he believed he cared about El and the rest - but like all narcissists, he only really cared about himself and what he thought was love for El was in fact just seeing her as something of value to himself. Yes, he protected her or at least tried, but only in the same way that someone protects a possession they are proud of. Sorry, but no matter how you slice - he was a true monster who saw himself as the hero. He didn't care about El, he cared about what he thought El could do for him.
Mike taking after his father a bit, like you mentioned in the reaction, is really interesting and truly reflects the influence that family and their relationships have on you as you grow up. In a subtle way, the show has shown us how rocky Mike's parents are since they have a "loveless" relationship, as we've seen the lack of attention the dad gives the family and the mom seeking something more which resulted in her interest with Billy. This is shown in the kids when Mike has issues saying "I love you" or difficulties connecting/reaching out to Will, and the same with Nancy's lack of communication with Jonothan or saying "I love you" to Steve. They are a product of parents with a lack of affection/love. Love y'all and can't wait for more
Nancy is too badass to ever die. In season one, when everyone was figuring out about the demogorgon, scared people were thinking they had to kill it, but what Nancy said was "I want to kill it". I'm voting for Nancy Wheeler: Demon Hunter as the spinoff.
9:51, The reason "they" can climb now is because then Joyce was pushing all of those buttons on the console in the control room trying to find the one to open the door so Hopper and Enzo could escape the pit, she disengaged the electrified fence around the pit. 10:45, The one on the hospital-type bed was a Demodog not a Demogorgon. The others in the tanks are also Demodogs (which are dead for now).
I hadn't realized this before, but Matthew Modine (who plays 'Papa') was in the movie Full Metal Jacket as Private Joker. Dude is an icon and played his role as Dr. Brenner very well. Very conflicted feelings towards him.
I know, well now I am still not sure if he is in love with Mike or he is just scared to tell Mike he is gay because he might lose his friendship and he senses something bad will happen to him like Mike might die because of what was in the picture he painted, I feel like that painting has some significance in season 5.
@@xarachne8473 your use of “normal people” has homophobic undertones. Coming out in the 80’s and attempting to tell your best friend that you are gay - especially when the audience doesn’t really know other than hints of him being called slurs by bullies in season one - It is a big deal. I’m sure if they noticed they would have said. It completely changes the dynamic of their relationship and explains the shot of will in the background between Eleven and Mike when they reunite - GREAT VISUAL SYMBOLISM. I enjoy watching Spartan and Pudgey and I like them both a lot. You haven’t got to get aggressive with your response I was just pointing it out to them 😂 calm your passion mate.
One bullet killed that one in the hospital bed maybe because it was a direct hit in the mouth, but it was also a demodog, not a demogorgon. Just like how Dart was a demodog and much weaker/travelled in packs compared to the large demogorgons who are more tanky.
Journey has so many hits and the song played in this episode is called Separate Ways. As for Billy, Dacre Montgomery did a good job. If y’all like to see more of him, check out the feature film Power Rangers (2017).
“Billy haters” Spartan is reading the room wrong. For me, I don’t hate Billy, I just won’t fawn over him for 1 good deed. S&P kinda set themselves up for the negative responses by spending 2 seasons talking about a Barb comeback, and once they finally accepted she was gone, they moved on to Billy. Here we are 8 episodes into S4 and they still talk about Billy. He’s long gone. The only influence he’s had this season is how Max is dealing with his loss and they’ve totally missed how good her performances have been because they are fixated on Billy.
51:22 *Billy definitely DID NOT get his redemption arc.* I understand why people think so, as I've fallen for that trick with other fictional characters. However, after watching a video essay on the redemption arcs of antagonist characters, I've realized that sacrificing themselves alone, does not redeem them. It makes us empathize for them, for sure. But to me, redemption begins with seeing the antagonist to the long work to get better. Not just sacrifice themselves for the greater good. Imagine you had an abuse parent, who never corrected their wrongs, but they decide to sacrifice themselves to save your life. Would that be enough to repair your relationship? Probably not. It would be a start, but not enough for you to think they are a completely changed person.
Spartan and Pudgey are young'uns. LOL! There's likely a lot of 1980s classics they haven't heard before. That's another thing that's great about this show, it exposes new generations to some of the music of that era, etc.
I'm Gen X (right smack in the middle) and teach 16-18 year olds and I'm always floored at some of the cultural material (films, actors, songs, bands, history) that I think they should know due to their icon status, but then I think about some of the actors and singers/rappers, influencers of their culture and I'm always like, "who the hell is that?"
@@ahappyshowI mean I'm 19 and I've heard of journey and listen to a ton of rock/music from not just my generation but also 80s and 90s music. But apart from my own experience with music I feel like this song and many others are very famous that everyone has heard it at least once😅, I think they just have a lot of catching up to do for music and pop culture haha
It’s because Argyle is really annoying I hated him in the show he felt so out of place and just existed to give Jonathon a side kick that could give him more lines
The interesting thing about this remix of "Separate Ways (Worlds Apart)" is that the original writer from Journey came forward and said this was their ORIGINAL vision for the song but at the time of the original recording the lacked the technology to make this kind of sound. I read that in an article about it and found it fascinating, and yes it has always been a banger but this version will always be on my vibes playlist for sure. It speaks to the depths of my soul on the desperation and darkness of unreciprocated love.
You can really tell what kind of people Spartan and Pudgey are with their hate for Argyle and love for Billy. Enjoy their reactions, but doubt id enjoy them in person 😂
@@victorvillanueva205they’re implying because they hate a kind character and love one behaving badly because he’s an abused teenage boy, they’re bad people, but it’s a flawed logic and assumption…
the characters that spice up a story and make it interesting doesn't reflect the characters we'd necessarily hang out with 🤣 thought that would be common sense
@@td811because will being gay and in love with mike has and will have a huge impact on the story and on will and mikes characters. that’s why. he’s not just gay because they need a gay character. will has always been and outcast and bullied due to being “sensitive” (which we know is another way of saying gay), and being closeted in the 80s was extremely hard due to aids stigma and homophobic society. so yes it does matter.
@@gracegunton9329 omg. some people dc. we get it hes gay. yall are in the cmmts about to die bcs they CHOSE not to talk ab it. you guys steady force this topic on ppl its so annoying WE KNOW HES GAY. WE LOVE WILL. get over it ur annoying.
Millie’s acting (well, all of it) when she shows her disbelief at Mike being actually there, and her elation, you can so clearly see it on her face, she clearly communicates these emotions to the audience. No, Brenner isn’t conflicting, he still…still tried to exert his control over her with his literal final breaths..and her response is so perfect, showing her maturity, not vindictive, just..goodbye. She realized he was lost, and could never change. (Just Brenner..and 200 soldiers, and 100 scientists..) Why, why do ppl say dumb stuff like “for the show to be great, we have to lose a main character.” Nothing is farther from the truth. You need a great story with great acting for a great show, not gratuitously killing off characters.
People like Brenner actually believe they are doing the right thing. They believe that they know better than anyone else what’s at stake and what decisions have to be made. And because they are so sure they are right, any evil can be justified as done in service to the greater good. He isn’t dangerous because he’s almost got some good in him. He’s dangerous because he’s willing to do anything in pursuit of his goals and he’s sure to his core those goals aren’t selfish, biased, or wrong. Of course, his goals are all selfish, biased, and wrong but he can’t see it because of his poor character.
To everybody shocked that they did not know about KGB or Journey.. it is possible when you’re from a completely different country. I’m an immigrant in the US and every time somebody acts like this towards me I ask if they know my country’s history or culture 😂 just because it’s supposed to be a worldwide thing (talking about the worlds superpowers) doesn’t mean I’ve seen that movie or heard about that band (or even the Manhattan Project). KGB, Chernobyl? I’m Polish and I know too much about it, but Journey? Nope 😅
Not sure if you have picked up on it.. but Will is gay. He has feelings for Mike, and is Jealous of Elle. Two things were mentioned in season one. it's said his father left because his son was a fairy, and when he supposedly died the boys that used to tease him said he finally earned his fairy wings.. thats why he drew the picture of the party with Mike being the heart of the group.
@@rwfqel We the correct word is envious which everyone uses jealous when they mean envious. And yes can could be envious That doesn't mean he hates El or has anything against her. I can be happy my friend won the lottery but still be envious of them for doing it
@@harryballsak1123 exactly. i mean of course he's sad and all about all of this but i think he's happier for el and mike than envious, you know what i mean?
@@hephner78 Yeah i know, it's just frustrating to have them simp for a "toxic alpha male" when Bob, Unknown Hero Agent Man and others are barely a footnote in their reactions.
Journey never cracked the top 40 in Europe or Australia. So with that and the fact that S&P are several generation removed from when the songs were released it’s not shocking that they aren’t familiar. I’m sure there’s tons of things that are popular and well known to them that people in N.A. have never heard of.
Don't discount the. generational thing for sure. I've been in US all my life and I definitely recognize and could probably attempt to sing a good chunk of that song, but I didn't actually know it was Journey - it's not like I own the album or was around when it first hit the airwaves. And I'm a fair bit older than these two.
The actors reportedly developed a very close father-daughter sort of bond on set in the first season and have remained close ever since. Not, one hopes, as toxic a variant as their characters, but I'm sure that relationship helped them a lot with their scenes together.
Brenner is just a terrible person, there is no sentiment to be found in whether he loved the kids. Justice for Benny. No main characters were killed off in the last 3 seasons. Barb was a minor character. Bob was a side character introduced just for one season. Billy was a bit part character in season 2 and only became "main" as an antagonist for season 3, but was never considered part of the group of main characters. They teased Hopper dying but with him coming back this season, he doesn't count as a death obviously. As good as this show is, it tricks you into thinking main characters have died, when all of the main protagonists are alive up to this point - I won't spoil what happens next obviously! Can't wait for the next episode.
I loved this episode. Gives me chills every time eleven takes down that chopper and the next one is literally a movie. But the music when they’re going towards the house really makes it seem like they’re going to war and it made the trailer so so good. Literally a perfect soundtrack
Funny that you guys have never heard of Journey. I wouldn't say that Mike is becoming like Ted. In fact even though they are father and son, I don't think Mike and Ted like each other that much (hell I even question on whether or not Mike is actually Ted's son as we saw Karen almost cheat, but that's a whole other topic). I think it is because his parent had a pretty loveless marriage (I say that due to a conversation between Nancy and Jonathan in season 1 with her saying that her mother married Ted more for financial stability and not for love, and the fact that we see Karen almost cheat on Ted), and therefore Mike has trouble picking up emotional cues or "reading the room". He has been called out on it quite a few times. Season 1 Dustin told him commented on his "complete obliviousness", season 3 Lucas called him "Hopeless" when Mike was trying to reconcile with El. Will crying signifies that Will seeing that he has to give up on his infatuation with Mike. That Mike is never going to see Will the way that Will wants him to see him. I don't know why they made Mike Will's crush, but I hope in season 5 that Will has a boyfriend and it is not Mike ( it doesn't have to be a major character). Be prepared for another wild ride for the season finale.Soon you will be in agony waiting like the rest of us.
or he could be in love with him, and he can’t even tell him right now let alone confess his feelings for him, and he doesn’t need one, just like how robin doesn’t need a gf, not everyone has to have a partner, being happy single is even more important and all should be before getting into a relationship otherwise it won’t end up well
In the Season 3 finale Hop says to El that he was going to go to the machine, because the monster is after El, so she must be safe. "You need to understand." These are his last words to El. And El nods. Brenner's last words were also "Please tell me you understand." And although El had tears on her cheek, she didn't nod, and didn't say she understood. She said "Good-bye, Papa."
Ya guys that song was called “separate ways” by JOURNEY! CLASSIC 80s AMAZING MUSIC! They have several great songs. “Don’t stop believing “, Any way you want it” “open arms” ….. you can’t go wrong! Definitely playlist material!
that scene where Billy's dad mistreated him really resonated with Spartan, he can't help but see him as a good guy now especially after Billy risked his life for Eleven
Henry is what El would have been if she had gone wrong - in fact, if she had not escaped in season 1 and met the gang, I think in the end, Papa would have created a second Henry. It isn't what he wanted, but it is what he would have gotten. Remember, we have been told that the idea was to create a remote assassin - that is what El was supposed to be. An assassin and a spy, someone who could gather information remotely and then kill anyone she was told to. That's why the one military guy was trying to find and kill her, because he believed she was what the project had been trying to create but she was not under the control of the government. He was wrong, but it was understandable.
Song is the trailerized version of Separate Ways by Journey, produced by Bryce Miller of Alloy Tracks. That version (as well as the original of course) is available on streaming services etc
28:23 - Absolutely fantastic writing! To bring this story full circle years after the start is masterful! It's shocking enough that Vecna is 001/Henry Creel but to know that El was searching the darkness for 001 is MAD! I believe Brenner truly cared and loved El but it was borne out of a fascination and curiosity for science and not of actual normal human love! He at least admired her power and potential but did not once consider the fact that she was a child before she ever was "a superhero"... I only support the return of seemingly-dead characters if it MAKES SENSE but after this episode I don't think they should bring Brenner back! 36:20 - He only cared for her as an experimental subject and not a person...whilst I can see how he cared for her it was twisted and misguided... Brenner got what he deserved! I hope they don't bring him back for the sake of it (unless it's flashbacks) and I think we can all agree...Matthew Modine played THE SHIT out of this role!
@@purplequeen833 yes but she is the only one that actually knows because she saw it only her and El have SEEN it that's why only they really know, yes Nancy explained it but only she really knows what it looks like and what he looks like. They do not. Was that not clear in what I said before? I guess I thought people would put that together from what I said. So yea no shit they know cuz she told them but they do not know Crap of what she saw they are just being told a story by her she knows what Vecna looks like now and what he looked like as a kid and who he really is she can only explain it to them the best she can.
@@TheRepublican777 I get what you are saying but she could have easily described what he looks like to them, they probably just didn't show that and even then a couple of them see what he looks like next episode, but at this point yes her and el are the ones who truly seen what he look like, and max has seen only his vecna form.
@@purplequeen833 yes they see what he looks like later but only how he is now none of them knows what the he was as a kid or as an adult working at Brenner's lab. I guess she could have done her best to describe him but it's not the same as actually seeing him so I guess I should have said Nancy and El are the only two who have Seen everything and him,not know cuz once she tells them they basically know I should have used the word "Seen" everything that has happened and for Nancy what is going to happen .
There have been a lot of those moments. Idk it feels like Pudgey looks up the synopsis of episodes sometimes. Spartan seems like he's more genuine. If she isn't looking them up she should take this as a compliment that she's good at figuring things out/guessing I suppose lol.
Sooooo excited to get into this one… El’s scream playing over the helicopter blades will never not give me chills. Sad to say I cried a little for El when Brenner was saying goodbye, but I don’t cry on rewatches. So so so stoked for the next upload too! Just sucks that you both will now join the club of “Waiting 5 years for a new ST season” LOL. thank you for sharing, much much love!❤️
Seperate Ways was one of my all time fave songs by Journey, and what a JOURNEY we're goin on. Gear up for the finale guys. It's the definition of an emotional white knuckle ride!
Billy has always been one of my favorite characters in this show because of his development. The thing is, I never thought Billy would have the same redemption as Steve, nor did I want him to because they’re not the same people. Sorry, but I just think y’all give him credit in some places where he doesn’t deserve it. I agree that he had changed in some good ways, but not enough to paint him as the heroic superhero that would’ve become part of the friend group with Max and the crew. That feels like delusion.
It all comes down to the next episode. I was so thrilled the last 3 episodes are as long as they are. 3 of the more thrilling and legendary episodes in the history of show, imo. The season finale is spectacular and I look forward to re-living the episode with you two!
Woah! Ok, this is definitely one of those “because I was high” types of observations (cause I was….high lol), so it may or may not be a reach lol. But around 37:27, take a look at the pink octagonal shaped lights that are connected together on the wall behind S&P and the overall design they’re making. It kind of resembles (if you flip it vertically ↕️) the layout of Dr. Brenners body no? (almost like a chalk outline of a body). Sooo yeah, just wanted to share that…Bumblebeetuna!!!
I can SO relate to the way Spartan reacted to the Journey song/scene at the end of this episode. It’s perfect!!! It encapsulates all of the emotion going into the finale… I already had the regular version of that song in my playlist, but I had to go grab it off the season 4 soundtrack as well so I could have this remixed “more epic” version. Haha 🤘🏻So so so good!
Papa is finally gone, and El was NUTS this episode. We are SOO ready for the finale!!
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My sweet summer children, I expected more detective work than this. What does someone do in Brenner's situation? Kill Henry and all other possible psychic children? Does he leave them in the general public to kill and cause chaos until they killed enough innocent people to be found and "Maybe" taken down? I know you both know better than that but let your own biases dictate your hate. Don't get me wrong, he's definitely done some terrible things. However, he's the reason those kids weren't hunted down by the Government years ago and taught them to use their powers for good. He even figured out a way to prevent them from using their abilities safely. He is right, Jane/El is to blame for freeing Henry. She's to blame for banishing him to the Upside down. She's the reason but she didn't know or understand her actions. Had Brenner not trained El, she might not have been powerful enough to fight against Henry before he killed her. Remember, he started with animals and his own family. Imagine letting him live in society killing people with his mind. No one would be able to stop him or know what he's doing. It's Kira all over again but instead of "criminals" it's anyone he wants. Also, El has killed and I believe that's the plot thread for season 5, they set up here and last season. El will have to become a monster to defeat the monster and die herself. Her powers and others like her out there will eventually spawn more Henry. 8 was supposed to show you that. She was willing to kill and if she had El powers, she wouldn't need a gun to do so. Hope you realize where this story is going, "better to die a hero than live long enough to see yourself become the villain."
One more episode and you’ll be seemingly waiting an eternity for the final season with the rest of us. Thank you for allowing us to relive this with you.
Yess finally caught up and awaiting another year while we always await three lol
Argyle saves them from evil agent men, takes them on a three day road trip across multiple states, helps them bury a body, and provides much needed comic relief to a team comprised of the show's most serious characters and he is FINALLY contributing by finding the tracks?
You find Argyll funny? I find him immensely annoying and out of place. Murray brings comic relief whilst actually contributing
THANK YOU! I was like, are we watching the same show?? He's literally been useful the whole show!
I hope someday someone loves me as much as Spartan loves Billy 😂😂
lol!!! poor billy never got the chance to prove he really chose to terrorize Max only because he could
@@fedrido15😂
lol!
lol I hope not! Total red flag 🚩
Err i hate them for this
S&P drinking game. Take a sip when they mention Billy.
That's the opposite of responsible drinking
My thought for the last 4/5 reactions...
That`s how you get cirrhosis
There's Naurr way i can afford that much alcohol on my wages.
I hope y'all have a high tolerance 🤪
Mike’s taking after his father a little 😂 that’s harsh 🤣
and also astute.
what do you mean, taking after his father?
I love Ted, though. He's hilarious
@@bobdondalike not seeing the full picture. Misreading the situation, not reading the room. Aka not seeing what will was REALLY talking about in his heart to heart & also not seeing that his friend is crying to himself right next to him. You know, how Ted is always blissfully unaware of things 😂
@@meganmeehan1565 Not sure if these 2 clocked that Will is gay yet.
Billy was a glimpse of a bit of this season wtf? Why we still hearing about him? A full third of the convo sheesh 😂
Journey's Separate Ways is to Sparta as Kate Bush's Running Up That Hill is to Max
It's gunna save spartan from vecna 😂
I love that Spartan appreciates a song from our time (God I feel so old lol). Shows how much the sound department/team nailed it!
Hot take: Don't Stop Believin' is not good. Separate Ways is bar none the best Journey song and should have all of the popularity Don't Stop Believin' has.
The band who performed that song "Separate Ways" is Journey.
I highly recommend a lot of their songs like:-
- After all these years
- Open Arms
- Faithfully
- Dont stop believin
All great!
Dude, Journey is legendary! All their songs hold up to the test of time!
Lights, and Wheel in the Sky ❤
yeeeeah no way that they don't know "Journey" 😅🤣
ive never really got into the rest of journeys works just because of dont stop believing being so overdone
Welcome to "Billy Time" with Sparto.
The paper Spartan says his pitchfork is bigger than yours. He must not know if you brag about it, it’s tiny.
He just can't leg go. I hated Billy
it was like for 10 minutes at the very end xD
Am i the only one who felt like Brenner asking, "what have u done?", was in reference to pulling out 001's chip thing? Like he knew thats what had occurred and led to all of this?
I dont see how anyone could give Brenner any understanding or forgiveness. He tortured kids and locked them up and did experiments on them. He stole Jane from her mother and then fried her brain. The man is a monster.
Season 4 just had banger episodes, but the last one is just chef's kiss 🤏💅🏻 great review about brenner and his character, i feel that way about him too and I was so elated when El didn't say anything to him 😂
Papa was a monster - yes, he believed he was right and he believed he cared about El and the rest - but like all narcissists, he only really cared about himself and what he thought was love for El was in fact just seeing her as something of value to himself. Yes, he protected her or at least tried, but only in the same way that someone protects a possession they are proud of.
Sorry, but no matter how you slice - he was a true monster who saw himself as the hero. He didn't care about El, he cared about what he thought El could do for him.
Mike taking after his father a bit, like you mentioned in the reaction, is really interesting and truly reflects the influence that family and their relationships have on you as you grow up. In a subtle way, the show has shown us how rocky Mike's parents are since they have a "loveless" relationship, as we've seen the lack of attention the dad gives the family and the mom seeking something more which resulted in her interest with Billy. This is shown in the kids when Mike has issues saying "I love you" or difficulties connecting/reaching out to Will, and the same with Nancy's lack of communication with Jonothan or saying "I love you" to Steve. They are a product of parents with a lack of affection/love. Love y'all and can't wait for more
Good on Pudgey she is one of the few reactors who realized the shock collar did not stop 11's powers.
Dr. Brenner literally tells El that he hasn't activated the collar.
“Goodbye Papa” always got me, proud of my girl, El ❤️🩹
@38:07 the name of the song "Journey - Separate Ways"
YEPPPPPPPPPP
I'm not sure why everyone is surprised they never heard about Journey. I mean, they never heard Never Ending Story.
Faallllcooooorrrrrrr
Nancy is too badass to ever die. In season one, when everyone was figuring out about the demogorgon, scared people were thinking they had to kill it, but what Nancy said was "I want to kill it". I'm voting for Nancy Wheeler: Demon Hunter as the spinoff.
you’re at s4e8 and you say demigorgon and it’s edited too… it’s demogorgon, not halfgorgon or partlygorgon
The Song was Journey AKA STEVE PARRY
With the song Separate Ways (Worlds Apart) from 1983
Perry
Brenner did one "almost" kind thing. Now Spartan and Pudgey will hail him as the hero, just like Billy LOL
That Journey song was absolutely the summit that year. Greatness.
That moment when you realize Dr Brenner is a character whose name starts with a B
lol no way! I didn't make that connection
What??
Another I hadn't realized until a few weeks ago was not just Barb, but Benny from the diner
his name's martin actually. brenner is his last name
@@rwfqelno need to be a smart ass😂
Brenner is the classic mad scientist, Dr. Frankenstein, blind to his own delusion.
9:51, The reason "they" can climb now is because then Joyce was pushing all of those buttons on the console in the control room trying to find the one to open the door so Hopper and Enzo could escape the pit, she disengaged the electrified fence around the pit.
10:45, The one on the hospital-type bed was a Demodog not a Demogorgon. The others in the tanks are also Demodogs (which are dead for now).
I hadn't realized this before, but Matthew Modine (who plays 'Papa') was in the movie Full Metal Jacket as Private Joker. Dude is an icon and played his role as Dr. Brenner very well. Very conflicted feelings towards him.
Vision Quest was my favorite Matthew Modine movie. 🤼♂️
A fantastic actor. He was brilliant as Brenner. Modine is also a leader of Actors Equity, so he’s a fighter on that front too
You guys completely missed the reveal that Will was gay and in love with Mike 😂 As I said on House of The Dragon - no gaydar at all. 😂
I know, well now I am still not sure if he is in love with Mike or he is just scared to tell Mike he is gay because he might lose his friendship and he senses something bad will happen to him like Mike might die because of what was in the picture he painted, I feel like that painting has some significance in season 5.
It's actually amazing how clueless they are😂
I mean Spartan mentioned Will was talking about himself. Maybe they did realize it and (like normal people) don't give a fuck
I just hope the final episode will make it clearer for them but i still have my doubts lol. but they’re fun to watch tho hahahaha
@@xarachne8473 your use of “normal people” has homophobic undertones. Coming out in the 80’s and attempting to tell your best friend that you are gay - especially when the audience doesn’t really know other than hints of him being called slurs by bullies in season one - It is a big deal. I’m sure if they noticed they would have said. It completely changes the dynamic of their relationship and explains the shot of will in the background between Eleven and Mike when they reunite - GREAT VISUAL SYMBOLISM. I enjoy watching Spartan and Pudgey and I like them both a lot. You haven’t got to get aggressive with your response I was just pointing it out to them 😂 calm your passion mate.
One bullet killed that one in the hospital bed maybe because it was a direct hit in the mouth, but it was also a demodog, not a demogorgon. Just like how Dart was a demodog and much weaker/travelled in packs compared to the large demogorgons who are more tanky.
Journey has so many hits and the song played in this episode is called Separate Ways.
As for Billy, Dacre Montgomery did a good job. If y’all like to see more of him, check out the feature film Power Rangers (2017).
Only if he played Billy :P
Yeah, this season has more billy talk than Eddie which i think is a way more better character.
“Billy haters” Spartan is reading the room wrong. For me, I don’t hate Billy, I just won’t fawn over him for 1 good deed.
S&P kinda set themselves up for the negative responses by spending 2 seasons talking about a Barb comeback, and once they finally accepted she was gone, they moved on to Billy. Here we are 8 episodes into S4 and they still talk about Billy. He’s long gone. The only influence he’s had this season is how Max is dealing with his loss and they’ve totally missed how good her performances have been because they are fixated on Billy.
Honestly the fixation on Billy almost made me quit these reaction videos.
51:22 *Billy definitely DID NOT get his redemption arc.* I understand why people think so, as I've fallen for that trick with other fictional characters. However, after watching a video essay on the redemption arcs of antagonist characters, I've realized that sacrificing themselves alone, does not redeem them. It makes us empathize for them, for sure. But to me, redemption begins with seeing the antagonist to the long work to get better. Not just sacrifice themselves for the greater good. Imagine you had an abuse parent, who never corrected their wrongs, but they decide to sacrifice themselves to save your life. Would that be enough to repair your relationship? Probably not. It would be a start, but not enough for you to think they are a completely changed person.
Spartan is still in denial... but if Billy was in 300, he'd be Ephialtes ;)
Have you seriously never heard _Separate Ways_ before? It's one of Journey's most iconic jams.
Spartan and Pudgey are young'uns. LOL! There's likely a lot of 1980s classics they haven't heard before. That's another thing that's great about this show, it exposes new generations to some of the music of that era, etc.
I'm Gen X (right smack in the middle) and teach 16-18 year olds and I'm always floored at some of the cultural material (films, actors, songs, bands, history) that I think they should know due to their icon status, but then I think about some of the actors and singers/rappers, influencers of their culture and I'm always like, "who the hell is that?"
@@ahappyshow I'm only a few years older than they are. It's been a favorite jam of mine since I was 8 or 9.
@@ahappyshowI mean I'm 19 and I've heard of journey and listen to a ton of rock/music from not just my generation but also 80s and 90s music. But apart from my own experience with music I feel like this song and many others are very famous that everyone has heard it at least once😅, I think they just have a lot of catching up to do for music and pop culture haha
They remade the song for this episode. The original is amazing but I love this version too, it’s epic.
37:23 and that's where the ''bro think he Heisenberg'' meme started.
Argyle is a comedic character, yet whenever he's providing some comedy, Spartan looks disgusted.
It’s because Argyle is really annoying I hated him in the show he felt so out of place and just existed to give Jonathon a side kick that could give him more lines
The interesting thing about this remix of "Separate Ways (Worlds Apart)" is that the original writer from Journey came forward and said this was their ORIGINAL vision for the song but at the time of the original recording the lacked the technology to make this kind of sound. I read that in an article about it and found it fascinating, and yes it has always been a banger but this version will always be on my vibes playlist for sure. It speaks to the depths of my soul on the desperation and darkness of unreciprocated love.
You can really tell what kind of people Spartan and Pudgey are with their hate for Argyle and love for Billy. Enjoy their reactions, but doubt id enjoy them in person 😂
umm what are you insinuating? weird take. They find a character unlikable, boohoo
@@victorvillanueva205they’re implying because they hate a kind character and love one behaving badly because he’s an abused teenage boy, they’re bad people, but it’s a flawed logic and assumption…
Take a chill pill
This is such an insane take lol
the characters that spice up a story and make it interesting doesn't reflect the characters we'd necessarily hang out with 🤣 thought that would be common sense
Sooooo... Guessing we didn't pick up on the Will somewhat coming out to Mike part...???
Neither did Mike to be fair. Only Jonathan got it.
Why does it matter?
well they will get a second chance in ep 9 when he has a bro to bro with Jonathan
@@td811because will being gay and in love with mike has and will have a huge impact on the story and on will and mikes characters. that’s why. he’s not just gay because they need a gay character. will has always been and outcast and bullied due to being “sensitive” (which we know is another way of saying gay), and being closeted in the 80s was extremely hard due to aids stigma and homophobic society. so yes it does matter.
@@gracegunton9329 omg. some people dc. we get it hes gay. yall are in the cmmts about to die bcs they CHOSE not to talk ab it. you guys steady force this topic on ppl its so annoying WE KNOW HES GAY. WE LOVE WILL. get over it ur annoying.
6:46 - IMHO THIS MOMENT RIVALS EDDIE'S GUITAR SCENE! "THIS! IS! MUSIC!!!" 😅😂😂😂
Dr. Brenner isn't lying, Teri (El's Mom) did shoot a security guard in her attempt to rescue her daughter.
So what, Brunner et al were imprisoning her. And they killed Benny no problem, so they were a threat.
@KeenAesthetic1 All I'm saying is that the statement is factual.
Millie’s acting (well, all of it) when she shows her disbelief at Mike being actually there, and her elation, you can so clearly see it on her face, she clearly communicates these emotions to the audience. No, Brenner isn’t conflicting, he still…still tried to exert his control over her with his literal final breaths..and her response is so perfect, showing her maturity, not vindictive, just..goodbye. She realized he was lost, and could never change. (Just Brenner..and 200 soldiers, and 100 scientists..) Why, why do ppl say dumb stuff like “for the show to be great, we have to lose a main character.” Nothing is farther from the truth. You need a great story with great acting for a great show, not gratuitously killing off characters.
This finale is about to be insane, cant believe its nearly over. Please let it be longer than an hour video lol
i heard that its conformed that each episode will be over hours
@@willutakemytest wkd
@@WelshAmethystGirl087 what does that mean😓😓
@@willutakemytest wicked ♡♡
People like Brenner actually believe they are doing the right thing. They believe that they know better than anyone else what’s at stake and what decisions have to be made. And because they are so sure they are right, any evil can be justified as done in service to the greater good.
He isn’t dangerous because he’s almost got some good in him. He’s dangerous because he’s willing to do anything in pursuit of his goals and he’s sure to his core those goals aren’t selfish, biased, or wrong. Of course, his goals are all selfish, biased, and wrong but he can’t see it because of his poor character.
To everybody shocked that they did not know about KGB or Journey.. it is possible when you’re from a completely different country. I’m an immigrant in the US and every time somebody acts like this towards me I ask if they know my country’s history or culture 😂 just because it’s supposed to be a worldwide thing (talking about the worlds superpowers) doesn’t mean I’ve seen that movie or heard about that band (or even the Manhattan Project).
KGB, Chernobyl? I’m Polish and I know too much about it, but Journey? Nope 😅
And Journey were the worst kind of mainstream crappy corporate 70s/80s rock anyway
I bet they know CIA and FBI. Russia now calls KGB, FSB.
The Eighties really had great music!
Not sure if you know this already but Robin’s mother is Uma Thurman who plays The Bride in Kill Bill
Ethan Hawke isn't worthy of a mention to you?
@@williamroper5422 🤣 I’m not aware of them reacting to anything Ethan Hawke has been in but have watched their reaction to Kill Bill
also, Grace van Dien aka Chrissy, but they’re still their own people
@@williamroper5422Imagine Spartan trying to get his head around the Before trilogy!
„At least he did one good thing“, yeah, well, same as Billy. Who also did only one good thing, right? Just saying 😅
exactly like sure he was a victim of the mind flayer but it doesn’t make him an s tier hero 😭
One good thing sometimes matters...
@@DwaynesWorld007 might redeem him or some of him, but does not make him a hero
Brenner was a grown man. Just saying.
@@vilmavanninen6950 absolutely. But at least Billy was not a child either. He was 18.
"We are SOO ready for the finale!!"
I don't think so... 🥲
😅😅😅
Especially when they break Max into 30 pieces.
@@Jumpman67 bro at least warn that you're spoiling...
@@Jumpman67don’t spoil
@@godofwarpro3249bro they already finished the show 😂 it’s been on Patreon for a while
Not sure if you have picked up on it.. but Will is gay. He has feelings for Mike, and is Jealous of Elle. Two things were mentioned in season one. it's said his father left because his son was a fairy, and when he supposedly died the boys that used to tease him said he finally earned his fairy wings.. thats why he drew the picture of the party with Mike being the heart of the group.
when i watched this i was screaming “he’s in love with you!” to mike. my bf thought i was crazy lol
Euh nobody cares tho . They know but they just don't give a sh-
i wouldn't say hes jealous, he's not like that
@@rwfqel We the correct word is envious which everyone uses jealous when they mean envious. And yes can could be envious That doesn't mean he hates El or has anything against her. I can be happy my friend won the lottery but still be envious of them for doing it
@@harryballsak1123 exactly. i mean of course he's sad and all about all of this but i think he's happier for el and mike than envious, you know what i mean?
Eleven: “no you 😠😢”
I'm proud of El not forgiving him. He stole her life and abused her mentally and physically her entire childhood. He doesn't deserve forgiveness.
The song at end is Journey "separate Ways" it was popular in the 80's. But they did a remix of the song!
Next episode could have been in theaters bruh it’s the best episode of the series
How do they still not know the difference between a demogorgon and a demodog? Like they’re a different colour, size and body shape
well they couldn't recognize young eleven either so i guess the australian sun is exhausting ^^
They can be pretty thick. You’d have to be to keep carrying a torch for Billy.
@@darkglass1 TBF Billy IS a tragic figure with a very understandable motive/reason so it is understandable how they could kinda simp for billy
I think it was pretty established that demogorgons are like the ultimate stage of a demodog?
@@hephner78 Yeah i know, it's just frustrating to have them simp for a "toxic alpha male" when Bob, Unknown Hero Agent Man and others are barely a footnote in their reactions.
Journey never cracked the top 40 in Europe or Australia. So with that and the fact that S&P are several generation removed from when the songs were released it’s not shocking that they aren’t familiar.
I’m sure there’s tons of things that are popular and well known to them that people in N.A. have never heard of.
Don't discount the. generational thing for sure. I've been in US all my life and I definitely recognize and could probably attempt to sing a good chunk of that song, but I didn't actually know it was Journey - it's not like I own the album or was around when it first hit the airwaves. And I'm a fair bit older than these two.
The scene with Eleven confronting Dr. Brenner is some of the best acting in the show. MBB and Modine went all out.
The actors reportedly developed a very close father-daughter sort of bond on set in the first season and have remained close ever since. Not, one hopes, as toxic a variant as their characters, but I'm sure that relationship helped them a lot with their scenes together.
That song is called Separate Ways by the band Journey
"Whatever helps you sleep at night!" Hilarious!
Stranger Things never misses with the music
Brenner is just a terrible person, there is no sentiment to be found in whether he loved the kids. Justice for Benny.
No main characters were killed off in the last 3 seasons. Barb was a minor character. Bob was a side character introduced just for one season. Billy was a bit part character in season 2 and only became "main" as an antagonist for season 3, but was never considered part of the group of main characters. They teased Hopper dying but with him coming back this season, he doesn't count as a death obviously. As good as this show is, it tricks you into thinking main characters have died, when all of the main protagonists are alive up to this point - I won't spoil what happens next obviously! Can't wait for the next episode.
The writers intended you to understand billy, not to like him
Journey is one of my all time favorite bands. Steve Perry's voice is iconic! Definitely check them out. They have loads of bangers lol
That was "Seperate Ways" at the end. Used to listen to it all the time
When I was 16 I was driving around jamming to Journey’s greatest hits cassette tape 🤘
I loved this episode. Gives me chills every time eleven takes down that chopper and the next one is literally a movie. But the music when they’re going towards the house really makes it seem like they’re going to war and it made the trailer so so good. Literally a perfect soundtrack
I’m so happy yall enjoyed the song in the end like I did… I need to hear that remix in my car on blast… so good!
My favorite scene is when Mike says "We Will.." then Will says "No I'm Will, You Mike.." 😂😂😂😂😂
Spartan jamming to the 80's hits. You definitely seem like you would have enjoyed growing up in that era as Gen X.
Spartan discovers the awesomeness of "Separate Ways" forty years after it was a hit. 😀
They used that song for marketing and the trailer. You guys should watch the trailer since you are finished with the show.
i feel so bad for the people that lost their RV lol
You're telling me you've never heard of Journey?! One of the most well known 80's rock bands?! Oh boy, you're in for a treat.
Funny that you guys have never heard of Journey.
I wouldn't say that Mike is becoming like Ted. In fact even though they are father and son, I don't think Mike and Ted like each other that much (hell I even question on whether or not Mike is actually Ted's son as we saw Karen almost cheat, but that's a whole other topic). I think it is because his parent had a pretty loveless marriage (I say that due to a conversation between Nancy and Jonathan in season 1 with her saying that her mother married Ted more for financial stability and not for love, and the fact that we see Karen almost cheat on Ted), and therefore Mike has trouble picking up emotional cues or "reading the room". He has been called out on it quite a few times. Season 1 Dustin told him commented on his "complete obliviousness", season 3 Lucas called him "Hopeless" when Mike was trying to reconcile with El.
Will crying signifies that Will seeing that he has to give up on his infatuation with Mike. That Mike is never going to see Will the way that Will wants him to see him. I don't know why they made Mike Will's crush, but I hope in season 5 that Will has a boyfriend and it is not Mike ( it doesn't have to be a major character).
Be prepared for another wild ride for the season finale.Soon you will be in agony waiting like the rest of us.
or he could be in love with him, and he can’t even tell him right now let alone confess his feelings for him, and he doesn’t need one, just like how robin doesn’t need a gf, not everyone has to have a partner, being happy single is even more important and all should be before getting into a relationship otherwise it won’t end up well
This version of the song: Separate Ways - Steve Perry & Bryce Miller extended remix
In the Season 3 finale Hop says to El that he was going to go to the machine, because the monster is after El, so she must be safe. "You need to understand." These are his last words to El. And El nods. Brenner's last words were also "Please tell me you understand." And although El had tears on her cheek, she didn't nod, and didn't say she understood. She said "Good-bye, Papa."
Ya guys that song was called “separate ways” by JOURNEY! CLASSIC 80s AMAZING MUSIC! They have several great songs. “Don’t stop believing “, Any way you want it” “open arms” ….. you can’t go wrong! Definitely playlist material!
Spartan: u need help. Forget fuckin’ Billy pls. 🤞🏼✨
that scene where Billy's dad mistreated him really resonated with Spartan, he can't help but see him as a good guy now especially after Billy risked his life for Eleven
Henry is what El would have been if she had gone wrong - in fact, if she had not escaped in season 1 and met the gang, I think in the end, Papa would have created a second Henry. It isn't what he wanted, but it is what he would have gotten. Remember, we have been told that the idea was to create a remote assassin - that is what El was supposed to be. An assassin and a spy, someone who could gather information remotely and then kill anyone she was told to. That's why the one military guy was trying to find and kill her, because he believed she was what the project had been trying to create but she was not under the control of the government. He was wrong, but it was understandable.
Journey! When music is good, it always is good.
Love the themes of light and darkness. Also El is so iconic in that helicopter scene
38:27 "Right into the beast of the belly" 🤣
Song is the trailerized version of Separate Ways by Journey, produced by Bryce Miller of Alloy Tracks. That version (as well as the original of course) is available on streaming services etc
28:23 - Absolutely fantastic writing! To bring this story full circle years after the start is masterful! It's shocking enough that Vecna is 001/Henry Creel but to know that El was searching the darkness for 001 is MAD! I believe Brenner truly cared and loved El but it was borne out of a fascination and curiosity for science and not of actual normal human love! He at least admired her power and potential but did not once consider the fact that she was a child before she ever was "a superhero"...
I only support the return of seemingly-dead characters if it MAKES SENSE but after this episode I don't think they should bring Brenner back!
36:20 - He only cared for her as an experimental subject and not a person...whilst I can see how he cared for her it was twisted and misguided... Brenner got what he deserved!
I hope they don't bring him back for the sake of it (unless it's flashbacks) and I think we can all agree...Matthew Modine played THE SHIT out of this role!
Nancy is the only one who knows everything that El knows about 1/Vecna/Henry only she knows about the feature too.
she literally told evb. everyone knows what r u talkin ab
She told everybody about her visions. Even Robin calls him 1/vecna/Henry.
@@purplequeen833 yes but she is the only one that actually knows because she saw it only her and El have SEEN it that's why only they really know, yes Nancy explained it but only she really knows what it looks like and what he looks like. They do not. Was that not clear in what I said before? I guess I thought people would put that together from what I said. So yea no shit they know cuz she told them but they do not know Crap of what she saw they are just being told a story by her she knows what Vecna looks like now and what he looked like as a kid and who he really is she can only explain it to them the best she can.
@@TheRepublican777 I get what you are saying but she could have easily described what he looks like to them, they probably just didn't show that and even then a couple of them see what he looks like next episode, but at this point yes her and el are the ones who truly seen what he look like, and max has seen only his vecna form.
@@purplequeen833 yes they see what he looks like later but only how he is now none of them knows what the he was as a kid or as an adult working at Brenner's lab. I guess she could have done her best to describe him but it's not the same as actually seeing him so I guess I should have said Nancy and El are the only two who have Seen everything and him,not know cuz once she tells them they basically know I should have used the word "Seen" everything that has happened and for Nancy what is going to happen .
Mike's reaction to Will is a perfect example of being programmed by your environment. Total oblivious to anything not-normative.
19:25 How does she know they are coming back here???????? Suspicious 😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮
There have been a lot of those moments. Idk it feels like Pudgey looks up the synopsis of episodes sometimes. Spartan seems like he's more genuine. If she isn't looking them up she should take this as a compliment that she's good at figuring things out/guessing I suppose lol.
Yeah I thought that too 😅
That song is separate ways worlds apart by Journey but this is the remix version slowed down for stranger things
Sooooo excited to get into this one… El’s scream playing over the helicopter blades will never not give me chills. Sad to say I cried a little for El when Brenner was saying goodbye, but I don’t cry on rewatches. So so so stoked for the next upload too! Just sucks that you both will now join the club of “Waiting 5 years for a new ST season” LOL. thank you for sharing, much much love!❤️
Seperate Ways was one of my all time fave songs by Journey, and what a JOURNEY we're goin on. Gear up for the finale guys. It's the definition of an emotional white knuckle ride!
Billy has always been one of my favorite characters in this show because of his development. The thing is, I never thought Billy would have the same redemption as Steve, nor did I want him to because they’re not the same people.
Sorry, but I just think y’all give him credit in some places where he doesn’t deserve it. I agree that he had changed in some good ways, but not enough to paint him as the heroic superhero that would’ve become part of the friend group with Max and the crew. That feels like delusion.
There's a very similar version of the closing song by Daughtry; (Seperate Ways (World's Apart), Daughtry)
From Journey's album "Worlds Apart," the song is, "Separate Ways."
The song is Journey "Separate Ways". For the series it's a different mix than the original version.
It all comes down to the next episode. I was so thrilled the last 3 episodes are as long as they are. 3 of the more thrilling and legendary episodes in the history of show, imo. The season finale is spectacular and I look forward to re-living the episode with you two!
Woah! Ok, this is definitely one of those “because I was high” types of observations (cause I was….high lol), so it may or may not be a reach lol. But around 37:27, take a look at the pink octagonal shaped lights that are connected together on the wall behind S&P and the overall design they’re making. It kind of resembles (if you flip it vertically ↕️) the layout of Dr. Brenners body no? (almost like a chalk outline of a body). Sooo yeah, just wanted to share that…Bumblebeetuna!!!
man sometimes i forget how great season 4 is
I can SO relate to the way Spartan reacted to the Journey song/scene at the end of this episode. It’s perfect!!! It encapsulates all of the emotion going into the finale… I already had the regular version of that song in my playlist, but I had to go grab it off the season 4 soundtrack as well so I could have this remixed “more epic” version. Haha 🤘🏻So so so good!