also one of the biggest positives of the smashbox to me is just build quality and consistency, seems like gamecube controllers can develop annoying problems with little use, like in my own experience and others I've merely heard of
I am using the same Gamecube controller that I have had since 06. How dare you call the build quality of GC controller into question. They are the most robust controller ever made (in my opinion) . This smash box thing has been barely out for two years so who the heck actually knows if it's build quality will have it last the test of time
@@artpoet9915 how bro, my gcc that I got a year ago feels ify, any controller is bound to take wear and tear, it's a good controller but at top level they are inconsistent
@@artpoet9915 Bro, HOW? I don't even play competitively and I break controllers. Like, often times the small rubber on the left stick gets loose and falls off. Even though I don't even mash that hard.
Do keep in mind what ESAM says from 7:05 to 8:55. I bought a box controller and regret it, cause I don't really use characters that would play better on this and it's a massive commitment to learn. I highly recommend that you ask someone to lend it to you if possible so you can test it out before buying, or build a cheap DIY box first
Esam, after you explained this it made a lot of sense. I'm a player who sweats in their hands which has been a huge thing for me in tournaments. I have tried wearing gloves and training in gloves, fans, and wraps. If I just had this, I wouldn't have those issues. Every time I have messed up a recovery because my finger slips and I am pushing the core of my hand and the length of my thumb to aim in a 'guess' ... all of that could be fixed with this. -----off topic I wish there were an organization of pro players, developers, and media available to come together to turn Smash into an Olympic or professional sport. Then maybe we could see these cheaper and more accessible perhaps.
Look isto iontophoresis machines, especially official medically licensed ones, but you can also DIY a machine for really cheap. I have pretty severe hyperhidrosis too. This really helped to treat it.
ESAM can you make a video outlining a movement training regiment for general "movement things" you should be able to do consistently (like what you described with "attack cancel backward upair into dash attack", etc.)
I prefer to use a Frame1, B0XX or LBX just for ease of use (although with the LBX you do have to download firmware, but the most common is to use one that mimics the B0XX). With the Smashbox you gotta adjust angles yourself for whatever character you plan to play. The Frame1, B0XX, and LBX have pre-programmed layouts that can accommodate most, if not all characters without needing more than two modifiers.
The Smash Box comes with default profiles that are designed for all characters within the game to use as well - there is not need to create your own profile.
@@HitBoxArcade yes I am aware. I own your controller too. The others are just more easy to use. Especially for games like Melee. You guys are fine for lesser known platform fighters that may not have a profiles on the other controllers as we can make our own. Otherwise the other controllers are generally better, and much more portable.
@@HitBoxArcade Anytime. If I had to make any recommendations I would say you guys should work on a slimmer model. Generally speaking people who are using box controllers are trying to have any competitive advantage they can. Giving people something easier to travel with would be a big first step.
As a ness player i love the smashbox because its made all the magnet tech easier than it has any right to be, I also hate the smashbox because its made my recovery harder than it has any right to be Although i will say one of the main reasons i got it was because of snapback, that shit suuuuuuucks
I should get a controller kind of like this being primarily a PC gamer for most of my life. WASD feels a lot more natural to me. These things are just way too far out of my price range. There are arcade style sticks for far less but I have the same sort of issue with them that I have for a gamepad joystick. I suppose an arcade stick has more feedback though.
I think the box probably has a higher skill ceiling but I'm not sure how practical it is. The results haven't been there for Esam. I'm sure they will come though. I'm ready for his pika to be back top 8ing majors
not to be a hater, but legality on smashbox specifically will start to come in ult as it has on melee. 1. double up zip angles are banned in melee for pika melee. it will come for pika ult as well. 2. SOCD cleaning has to be mandatory. There is a reason why it is called CHEATBOX and SOCD is one of the key reasons why. First/last input priority shouldn't exist. 3. As a smashboxx player you should declare your angles and modifiers [there will be a set of angles that players can only use]. It will be most likely that you will have to run on default (only letting you have x1,x2, y1,y2 and the two modifiers as in Smashbox videos) 4. No extra profiles, you can only use 1 profile (it does not matter if you multi main, you can only have one profile, which likely will be default) as i said not to be a hater, but if melee people are adamant of rectangles (and SMASHBOX specifically), then yeah this changes will likely take place, in ultimate.
is there a mod to get a button to have max walking speed on forward and back that is downloadable some where. Also how are you getting so many angles with up B
@jonnySmashes they'll make cheaper ones especially Haute and other 3rd party brands will make cheaper, more affordable and smaller versions of the smashbox and boxxs. There already alot of versions of hitbox/leverless controllers for fighting games even for 50 dollars.
I never tried learning SSBU to play at a high level, I have no idea about how to execute even the easiest techs. For a complete beginner, would it be easier to start with a box?
I feel like controller is easier to learn and understand the game well, then box might be an option to take things to the next level. And I’m thinking controller because you’ll lean heavily on UA-cam videos to learn about tech and how to do different things, and I’ve never seen any videos like that specific to box but maybe that doesn’t matter
Not really compatible with switch, somebody is working on an adapter so u can remap it for better control but even then keyboard smash is weird because of the cluster of keys
I wonder is ESAM realizes the obvious; hes never been as good since he switched to hitbox. Idk if its BECAUSE of the hitbox or not, but its clear, he used to be top 10 in the world, now i see him losing locals handily to Seans falcon.
Standard controller for ultimate would be the joycons, lol. Play on the controller you feel most comfortable with. Some ppl like gcc, some people like procontroller some ppl even play wii mote still. Would be dumb to just have one style of controller as an option
@@LilT2o00 factory gcc, pro and all that are fine. I mostly meant stuff like notches, shortening trigger spring, and being able to perform perfect angles with a boxx because they dont have to use the stick.
@@snix2921 as a gcc modder, just ab everything aside from notches you can do yourself no problem. all my gcc’s are modded and maintained by myself. hell with a small amount of learning you can even do some arduino stuff with your gcc
@@snix2921notches should be fine as a mod for your controller, considering gcc already has them. Also shortening the trigger distance is super easy and unnoticeable. Smash tournaments don't have the means to mechanically inspect everyone's controller lol. TOs are probably already given too much to do.
Glad you are liking it ESAM!
your changing the fgc in the right direction. Couldn't thank you more, even as a stick player
pls restock before christmas
@@leafofufo3264 We most likely will. Just need to test the batch we currently have first.
We should just have a keyboard for the switch
But then sweats would cheat on Fortnite
@@mskelton07 who cares about fortnite lol
@@mskelton07 "cheat"
Most keyboard have limited simultaneous input restriction, with smash box u could input every buttons at the same time
They're working on adapter that allows keyboards to work on switch
BobbyBigBallz's box pikachu clip is still the funniest clip of all time
CHEATER
also one of the biggest positives of the smashbox to me is just build quality and consistency, seems like gamecube controllers can develop annoying problems with little use, like in my own experience and others I've merely heard of
I am using the same Gamecube controller that I have had since 06. How dare you call the build quality of GC controller into question. They are the most robust controller ever made (in my opinion) . This smash box thing has been barely out for two years so who the heck actually knows if it's build quality will have it last the test of time
@@artpoet9915 bro, arcade buttons have existed for decades. I think the build will be fine.
@@artpoet9915 how bro, my gcc that I got a year ago feels ify, any controller is bound to take wear and tear, it's a good controller but at top level they are inconsistent
@@artpoet9915 must've been one of the plastic ones
@@artpoet9915 Bro, HOW?
I don't even play competitively and I break controllers.
Like, often times the small rubber on the left stick gets loose and falls off. Even though I don't even mash that hard.
I like the training mode shirt
I was never interested in this controller, but this video definitely convinced me to give it a shot if I ever get the chance!
Do keep in mind what ESAM says from 7:05 to 8:55. I bought a box controller and regret it, cause I don't really use characters that would play better on this and it's a massive commitment to learn. I highly recommend that you ask someone to lend it to you if possible so you can test it out before buying, or build a cheap DIY box first
Esam, after you explained this it made a lot of sense. I'm a player who sweats in their hands which has been a huge thing for me in tournaments. I have tried wearing gloves and training in gloves, fans, and wraps. If I just had this, I wouldn't have those issues. Every time I have messed up a recovery because my finger slips and I am pushing the core of my hand and the length of my thumb to aim in a 'guess' ... all of that could be fixed with this. -----off topic I wish there were an organization of pro players, developers, and media available to come together to turn Smash into an Olympic or professional sport. Then maybe we could see these cheaper and more accessible perhaps.
You should try an antipersperant cream like gamer grip
@@ojgimpson Honestly if I was doing tournaments again I would do that. Thank you for the advice on the gamer grip.
Look isto iontophoresis machines, especially official medically licensed ones, but you can also DIY a machine for really cheap.
I have pretty severe hyperhidrosis too. This really helped to treat it.
ESAM can you make a video outlining a movement training regiment for general "movement things" you should be able to do consistently (like what you described with "attack cancel backward upair into dash attack", etc.)
When the smash circle dropping
1:29 pretty sure he said he was using a frame 1 box controller(frame 1 light im pretty sure) Boxx controllers i’ve seen more in the melee scene.
as soon as I saw the thumbnail I thought of the bobbybigballs clip "BOX PIKACHU CHEATER!!!!!!!!!!!!"
ESAM is now the box pikachu lmao
aint no way bro wearing a training mode shirt
As a link main, I'm sure the smash box would've made it easier to learn the loop combos.
Yoo let's go WTFinland
absolute legend
Props for bringing up the 65th and then owning it / specifically not blaming the injury or the box. Zero Johns.
I prefer to use a Frame1, B0XX or LBX just for ease of use (although with the LBX you do have to download firmware, but the most common is to use one that mimics the B0XX). With the Smashbox you gotta adjust angles yourself for whatever character you plan to play. The Frame1, B0XX, and LBX have pre-programmed layouts that can accommodate most, if not all characters without needing more than two modifiers.
The Smash Box comes with default profiles that are designed for all characters within the game to use as well - there is not need to create your own profile.
@@HitBoxArcade yes I am aware. I own your controller too. The others are just more easy to use. Especially for games like Melee. You guys are fine for lesser known platform fighters that may not have a profiles on the other controllers as we can make our own. Otherwise the other controllers are generally better, and much more portable.
@@Mufnman64 Appreciate your input.
@@HitBoxArcade Anytime. If I had to make any recommendations I would say you guys should work on a slimmer model. Generally speaking people who are using box controllers are trying to have any competitive advantage they can. Giving people something easier to travel with would be a big first step.
Esam really out here trying to get digital controllers banned before I get one
Ok, now it's time to win! In Smash 4 the Bidou, in the ultimate smashbox. let's go!
As a ness player i love the smashbox because its made all the magnet tech easier than it has any right to be, I also hate the smashbox because its made my recovery harder than it has any right to be
Although i will say one of the main reasons i got it was because of snapback, that shit suuuuuuucks
Great frickin video. I JUST got a box (guy on eBay) and this video could not come out at a better time! =)
Yeah, looks cool, but I'm not learning how to control pk thunder in it
I was thinking of using a hitbox for more traditional fighting games.
Hit box for traditional fighters is amazing
I got one for guilty gear and it's definitely better for your hands. No more thumb pain.
yeah as a super smash flash 2 player I might have to consider
thank you best explanation I've seen so far if the smashbox
Congratz on being sponsored by Tesla esam
as a new player on keyboard, I don't get why you can't make movement default to walking, and press the modifier to run, rather than only the opposite
you can def do that, but that means youd have to hold ur modifiers for all DI and airdrift so you’d be holding the modifier more than you wouldnt be
I should get a controller kind of like this being primarily a PC gamer for most of my life. WASD feels a lot more natural to me. These things are just way too far out of my price range. There are arcade style sticks for far less but I have the same sort of issue with them that I have for a gamepad joystick. I suppose an arcade stick has more feedback though.
Smash box? I was expecting the esam in the smashboxs ring
Lets see a win with that bro! Lets get it sped up 10000
I think the box probably has a higher skill ceiling but I'm not sure how practical it is. The results haven't been there for Esam. I'm sure they will come though. I'm ready for his pika to be back top 8ing majors
It's definitely not an insta win but it can be an advantage in the more precision and consistency
You have to relearn everything. I've had my Smashbox for quite a while and there's _still_ stuff I struggle with.
Eric Samus
ofc esam switches to the BOX
a box pikachu main who is over 30? no one tell BobbyBigBallz
WTFinland is the goat 🐐🐐 help me out with the smash box as well
Now we gonna be using all smash box 💀
Shirt goes hard lol
@imESAM What is the music in your outro? It sounds so cool and mysterious.
I wanna learn box with Icies
Video idea only if you want: react to sakurai when designing Pikachu from ur2slow
not to be a hater, but legality on smashbox specifically will start to come in ult as it has on melee.
1. double up zip angles are banned in melee for pika melee. it will come for pika ult as well.
2. SOCD cleaning has to be mandatory. There is a reason why it is called CHEATBOX and SOCD is one of the key reasons why. First/last input priority shouldn't exist.
3. As a smashboxx player you should declare your angles and modifiers [there will be a set of angles that players can only use]. It will be most likely that you will have to run on default (only letting you have x1,x2, y1,y2 and the two modifiers as in Smashbox videos)
4. No extra profiles, you can only use 1 profile (it does not matter if you multi main, you can only have one profile, which likely will be default)
as i said not to be a hater, but if melee people are adamant of rectangles (and SMASHBOX specifically), then yeah this changes will likely take place, in ultimate.
"No multiple profiles". You underestimate people's stupidity to buy multiple 500 dollar controllers lmao.
Would it be possible to map directional inputs on buttons on traditional controller (gamecube or procon)?
You’ve convinced me to never try this😭I don’t have the brain capacity
Beautiful shirt, how can i get it?
possible video idea of best characters to use box for?
It's Kazuya and Steve.
Really good video, does anyone know the OST he is using for the video?
is there a mod to get a button to have max walking speed on forward and back that is downloadable some where. Also how are you getting so many angles with up B
These things drop them sell out for MONTHS. Tried buying... Even looked at boxx, for 350$ ots hard to justify waiting a few months to get it
@jonnySmashes they'll make cheaper ones especially Haute and other 3rd party brands will make cheaper, more affordable and smaller versions of the smashbox and boxxs. There already alot of versions of hitbox/leverless controllers for fighting games even for 50 dollars.
What are you using to visualize the inputs?
How come your results have plummeted since using the box?
Ooo I like those slow walk movement macros
Elon musk stans will do anything for Tesla to get recognition
I swapped to boxx and wont go back, its just not as fun
Did esam got hacked? there is a tesla stream on his channel 0.0
How do you turn off jump with left stick
Do a video on how good it would be for min min
I never tried learning SSBU to play at a high level, I have no idea about how to execute even the easiest techs.
For a complete beginner, would it be easier to start with a box?
Use what's most comfortable for you
I feel like controller is easier to learn and understand the game well, then box might be an option to take things to the next level. And I’m thinking controller because you’ll lean heavily on UA-cam videos to learn about tech and how to do different things, and I’ve never seen any videos like that specific to box but maybe that doesn’t matter
Controller is easier to begin with, but it's easier to begin learning box without as much muscle memory on controller
What about the boxx?
I love that shirt
would love to use the smashbox but there never available
pre order now !!!!
@@friends4evrr omg good fucking looks bro
@@playharderscrub alredy copped one 😅
lol this is funny... never seen a box thats more complex than the controller. is supposed to simplify the controls not convolute them
every box for smash is around this complicated
Look at this nerd saying such nerdlike things! Fantastic! }:)
I play on the LBX it’s very nice
Sick dude. Did you get a specific run or just the black one?
Ice Climbers main here, do they get any advantages to the Smashbox? (Desyncs?)
Advantages no carpal tunnel. One or two angle specific desyncs and other desyncs might become easier to do.
@@ChevalierUlee hah that's pretty funny, never gotten Carpal tunnel Luckily, I might give it a shot if I save up! :D
ICs have some coordinate specific desyncs so 100% yes
@@imESAM OH, what about an actual Keyboard? (I loved SSF2 on Keyboard) is that a good idea?
how do you mash out of grabs effectively on smashbox with the wasd layout?
Search up "optimal smashbox mash" and there's a neat video showcase by HiPlay
That's the thing-you don't.
You could just piano left/down/right as if doing SDI.
Hit the Mkleo bair upair thunder combo on box, I dare you
He did it today to some people on stream
Wouldn't a keyboard make more sense lol
Not really compatible with switch, somebody is working on an adapter so u can remap it for better control but even then keyboard smash is weird because of the cluster of keys
How do you connect it to the switch?
I am not sure if I can connect it directly into the switch or not
the cord plugs into the box and then has a gcc plug
Rip esam
Yo is that a mole or patch of hair like can’t stop staring
mole!
Love the shirt btw
SmashboxSweep
How to do di and sis on Smashbox
Sean clapped you lol
Too many buttons, too complicated, will stick to GameCube
rip
OH GOD ESAM YOUR CHANNEL GOT HACKED
at this point use a keyboard lmao
What in the world is that
The Smash Box, an all-button controller by Hit Box Arcade
Hai
Unless you're playing on a pro controller you're just an amateur.
Smashbox angles are a little cheaty but still not that broken
I wonder is ESAM realizes the obvious; hes never been as good since he switched to hitbox. Idk if its BECAUSE of the hitbox or not, but its clear, he used to be top 10 in the world, now i see him losing locals handily to Seans falcon.
Dude your channel got hacked and uploading fake telsa scam stream
First
Standard controller should be mandatory too play competitive fighting games
Standard controller for ultimate would be the joycons, lol. Play on the controller you feel most comfortable with.
Some ppl like gcc, some people like procontroller some ppl even play wii mote still. Would be dumb to just have one style of controller as an option
@@LilT2o00 factory gcc, pro and all that are fine.
I mostly meant stuff like notches, shortening trigger spring, and being able to perform perfect angles with a boxx because they dont have to use the stick.
@@snix2921 as a gcc modder, just ab everything aside from notches you can do yourself no problem. all my gcc’s are modded and maintained by myself. hell with a small amount of learning you can even do some arduino stuff with your gcc
@@snix2921notches should be fine as a mod for your controller, considering gcc already has them. Also shortening the trigger distance is super easy and unnoticeable. Smash tournaments don't have the means to mechanically inspect everyone's controller lol. TOs are probably already given too much to do.
instead of calling it "why i switched to smashbox" it should be titled "why i decided to cheat"
Man if this is what you use in competitive I have lost a lot of respect for you.
ban smashbox.
Worst take I’ve ever heard
only esam is using it 😭
Why bait
@shoutenry get a job
I'm fine with banning smash box because of how customizable it is which is broken but digital controllers in general are alright
こめわん
After watching what Sean did to you….you should switch back🫠