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WHY are people using this WEIRD controller for SMASH BROS ULTIMATE? [Nintendo Switch]
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- Опубліковано 28 лип 2022
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This weird thing is actually a Game Cube controller that will work through an adapter on your Nintendo Switch to play Super Smash Bros Ultimate. There are a LOT OF BUTTONS, but it's NOT as confusing as it looks... well, at least not at first.
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The default button layout is designed with specifically Melee in mind and it makes a ton of sense once you get used to it for the Melee specific tech. I've messed around with my frame1 layout, but always end up going back to the default
I was gonna ditto this, default is pretty much the gold standard imo I wouldn’t want to change anything
@@eliastew9636 I changed mine to see what fits me if I can’t use the default.
But as of rn I have it mainly as R is jump x is sheild As a testing phase idk if I’ll alter it further or not
That clip from Leffen is actually talking about him using it for FGC titles.
Most people using these for Smash are not changing the layout.
Aren't you the guy who helped create the LBX? Either way this is correct.
@@RawrLikeStuff Yes.
You're right. He's talking about PS4. I'm gonna remove that clip from the video
He also advocated for a worse layout for Melee because he misunderstood a mechanic (tech lockouts) and couldn't accept evidence from the game's engine. He banned the person offering to explain lol
@@WulffDen please do as soon as possible
Hey Bob. I'm proud of you for starting to use tilt attacks. It REALLY changes the whole game haha. Like you said. New DLC Moves for your character.
Also, if you decide to go back to your controller for Smash, try tilt attacks on the C stick. That changed the game for me! :)
"I feel like moves come out quicker." - I kinda get what you mean. I recently build an arcade stick (nothing fancy, regular stick + 8 buttons) and I tested it on TMNT Shredder's Revenge on Steam. It was awesome to play. Fast, responsive and all that jazz. Then I went to the 8bitdo Sn30 pro to compare, and it felt so sluggish... The right controller for the right game can make a difference.
The journey to get this done was wild. Need a Rocky style montage of it all.
I love these controller videos so much I love how you have managed to make us excited about something as simple as a slab of plastic with some buttons on it. Great work Bob. I can honestly say that I genuinely look forward to every video you make.
THANKS MAN!
this controller style has always been beyond interesting to me. i personally play Kazuya, a character that has a ton of insane moves locked behind a lot of extremely precise inputs, and I can absolutely see a controller like this making that sort of thing a whole lot easier!
Someone told me it makes cdc easier but that’s it
The legendary Willy is here
A lot of people use hitbox style controllers for tekken so yeah
When I was young, in my country, Nintendo was not selling their consoles, there where only clones of them. So Nintendo never have any presence in the market. PC and older consoles clones where only choice for years. Some day I got this fighting game, that needed extra app be played. It turned out to be super smash Bros run via N64 emulator. I played it on my keyboard, so buttons only gaming was my default for years. It was so much fun. It's still may favourite fighting games of all time.
I never played Smash Bros until last week. I mostly play SF, MK, and DBFZ. I borrowed this controller, since my leverless controllers are all the typical layout, and it took me 5 minutes to orient and learn the game. I wouldn't change the layout at all, it actually makes more sense. What I notice with players who had a hard time adapting is because their hand placement is off, they usually rest their palms on the controller which loses their orientation and twists their wrist. When you life your palms and play it like piano keys
If it's programmed with Arduino it should be possible to make it show up as a Switch controller. I've done that for a custom controller for playing pinball.
The default layout is actually really good, the pros maybe switch one button (Z and L i think), but for melee it's the best you can come up with. For ultimate it's maybe a bit less important, so you can switch it more. It's definetly hard to get used to, but it's very ergonomic and worth it (at least for melee IMO)
I can think about one thing that this thing will probably do better than a gamecube controller.
Reliability and consistency. Snapback is a huge issue with gamecube controllers that there's multiple solutions for but for the most part. it's temporary. There is no way you are going to struggle with snap back with this kind of controller
yeah my captain falcon used to turn around randomly all the time. not anymore
Love the monitors in the background, you were right, they do look amazing on video. Worth it.
Watching Wulff Denn just for how he pronounces "Mario"
Never fails to make any video extra enjoyable for all the wrong reasons
my ears bleed a lil
It’s the right way to pronounce it
>above average in Smash
>can only play one character
>doesn't even use all the tools
Must be a very poor average.
I might consider one of these simply because I’m tired of replacing/repairing gamecube controller. Thanks for the great video!
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My friends used to call me a cheater for using the C stick for Melee when we were kids, so from then on I’ve always just used A with directional buttons for my smash attacks and I feel like the pro controller accommodates this style really well
I LOVE my Smashbox controller.
I can play longer, my inputs feel more responsive, and after some adaptation I can play better than I ever did on pro controller.
ok
Bob you are the GOAT of cinematics and ambience your videos really come out so perfect
I assume it works with mayflash adapters as well because those are just as good as the OG. There are cheaper ones but not as good.
it does, but it requires both cables plugged in because the power isnt bridged properly, and firmware has to be updated on the adapter if it's really old. mayflash adapters aren't as good as official adapters sadly
I have a lot of bad luck with snapback inputs with Switch pro controllers (which is when the control stick makes a microscopic input in the opposite direction when flicking back to neutral, which can mess up directional moves in tight situations), so the B0XX-style controller looks really attractive to me right now. Thanks for the review!
these things break my brain. if i ever decide to turn to the dark side and become the squirtle god i’ll commit but for now i’m good where i’m at lol
WHY are people using these THREE WEIRD TRICKS to get Bob to put on cat ears
I think I am going to try out your layout on my LBX.
oh hey its you
You should get the 8BitDo Retro Receiver for the SNES. You can pair the arcade stick to it.
i dunno bob i can't imagine why someone would use more precise inputs for the fighting game
A wired Pro Controller actually has an additional two-ish frames of latency. That’s a big deal when you’re using a fight pad / box, so it makes sense why they went for the GameCube approach, albeit still inconvenient.
The gentle caress as Bob walks away made me irrationally jealous. Of Bob? Of the controller? The world may never know
I don’t own a switch, but I’ve wanted to get into fighting games like Smash for a while. Brawlhalla was fun for a bit but ultimately bored me after a few weeks of it being released. Multiversus came out recently (played a bit of the open alpha before it went into beta) and I’m having much more fun on there. My main issue, however, is that the game is quite buggy given that it’s a beta. The default controls use the joystick for up down left right, and while that’s pretty normal, the issue is that when remapping these to the dpad (my preferred way of using the directional controls) it bugs out and doesn’t detect inputs half the time no matter which controller I have connected. I wonder if one of these controllers would help that issue as I could just map the directional buttons to certain inputs on the stick and have the game detect it as a stick input rather than a dpad input
13:45 Yessir, Captain Falcon has got some GREAT “Tilts”, Bob 😂 😂
Hey Bob, I know you didn't want any advice for Smash but I can't help myself, I just wanted to let you know that did you know that Super Mario Bros. 2 wasn't actually a Mario sequel at all? It was actually a Japanese game called Doki Doki Panic which was reskinned as a Mario game and released in the west. That should definitely help your Captain Falcon improve! You're welcome Bob
fuck...
tap jump is for heathens
bob doesn’t use tilts so there’s no difference really tbh lol
I've seen people using similar controllers to play Tetris and rhythm games. I'd love to try someday, but I'm affraid of the learning curve. My brain is getting stubborn.
I use a stock 8bitdo arcade stick for smash and there is misconception I'd like to point out. You CAN still walk and tilts without a c-stick. Hold down to crouch, then roll into whatever direction input you want. And if doing quarter circles for f-tilt sounds bad to you, the arcade stick was never going to be your thing. Having to re-learn the game on a new control setup really helped me clean up my movement and stop depending on shield/rolling for defence. Short hops are also much easier now, which is massive.
Can you get and review a PHOB gamecube controller? Idk if you have heard of them but they are the new hotness in the smash controller scene and they are completely grass roots. They use magnets to determine stick position instead of the old potentiomiter (probably butchered that word) method. Would be cool to see what u think.
Captain Falcon is a character that can utilize dash cancels which cancels running animation and allows to do pretty much any move you wouldn’t normally be able out of running animation but requires C tilt stick to do so
I have a frame1 and it has been SO fun to use. I really feel like I'm a lot better at the game even if my DI has gotten worse lol. The LBX controller being nice and small is right up my alley lol. I'm loving that we're both going through this journey of all button controllers lol
In the heat of the moment in a match I've never been able to consistently get tilt attacks to come out. Usually go too fast or too far and get a smash attack instead. It's been one of the biggest reasons I've never gotten to serious about smash. I just don't feel like I have the same level of control as I do with other fighting games, my own fault admittedly. I wish I could get more functionality from the game on a standard fight stick.
Set your c-stick to tilt attacks and you'll get tilts reliably every time.
i still dont like that people are even allowed to use unofficial controllers for tournaments of console games.
just give everyone the same controller
D-pads were never good to begin with. Nintendo used those instead of sticks because they were cheaper. It made the NES a much worse experience than it needed to be for a pretty small savings in cost.
I was thinking up on thumb was weird but... if up is jump, and jump is thumb, then thumb as jump (or up) makes sense from a keyboard perspective. As most PC games uses spacebar, or thumb, for jump.
Funny thing about using Leffen as an example for people who use boxx's in tournaments. He did that for like a couple months then went back to a controller.
I think you forgot to leave the pastebin in the description
Hmmm 🤔. How well does this thing work when ones hand sweats? (asking for a friend)
I was at the streams, but this still helped me understand exactly what was going on with the layout of the controller! Great video as always!
I use similar custom controller to play Into the Breach. Yup, I play turn-based puzzle game with fast arcade controller.
anyone know what cable he uses to connect the game pad to the gamecube adapter? i just dont understand how it connects to the adapter and to the gamepad. someone pls explain i would appreciate it
Every time I find out about one of these it’s already sold out. I really want a rectangle for melee
I love that you make the ads so comical, nice work:3
It's just like a keyboard but with round buttons 🙏🏽👍🏾
You can tell how little frame of reference he has for why the layout is designed like that.
I don't know what the smash ultimate is but that looks like a cool controller for multiverses
Feels like something I might want to try. I enjoy Smash Bros, but I'm an old school gamer who gets a lot more mileage out of a d-pad compared to an analog stick. Which leads me to constantly wishing I could remap the directions, but no standard 'controller' has allowed me to do that.
the layout is honestly specifically for melee and nothing else.
I've switched from a GC controller to a six-button controller for Smash and never looked back. I don't have the precision under pressure I used to have on an analog stick, the only hurdle I had was walking on a dpad to do tilts, which I figured a workaround for.
People forget that the rest of Smash Kazuya DLC is one of these controllers
I'm a "keyboard + mouse" type player, also, I'm preferring the arrow keys instead of WASD. I just can't play effectively with a controller. (I grew up with PC only.)
Now instead of button smashing with just the two thumbs, you can use all five fingers to smash the buttons
i cant believe my specialist controller took time getting used to lmao
You keep playing around with these fancy aspect ratios, it’s only a matter of time until we get a vertical video
Damn when is that controller intro getting its own movie with hipster bob?
Frame 1 has been delayed so many times it's probably for the better than you missed out on that one
Imagine Bob’s ads with Linus’s segways.
Petition for bob to make an Asmr channel of soft shots of him clicking his toys
I am honestly converting to an all button fightbox/ arcade stick for allot of the same reasons wulff is converting… I also just purchased an LBX and can’t wait to get mine
you can take away like 3 or 4 of those buttons for Ultimate for sure
14:23 I don't think Bob was using the gc controller wrong, it's just that tilts don't feel good to do consistently on analog stick. Hence devices like these.
If you get the 8bitdo adapter for the SNES (bluetooth) you can use your 8bitdo Arcade Stick. That's what I do with the same Odin mod setup.
High energy plug Bob is a bit scary. Maybe less coffee before you do these?
The ads give me huge better call saul vibes lol
I love playing on my Gamecube controller, but I'm getting up there in years and after like 30 years of video games, my hands are pretty broken. Getting competitive in Smash Ultimate was just the final nail in the coffin. I'm sure I'll be moving to one of these to keep my hands happy. Eventually. Got a lot of customized GC controllers that I ain't about to put away yet.
Best. Ads. Ever. Keep doing you Bob! Love the content dood!
Thought I was watching Design Doc at the beginning when the music came on 😅
Haircut looking good
I have never played smash but I will continue to watch niche controler videos from you
12:50 This sounds like Luigi's "Oh yeah"
nah... having way too much fun with steamdeck
.....Bob smash doesn't even use all the buttons on a regular GC controller up x and y all do the exact same thing... the c stick is cheap and shouldn't even work for smash attacks and that leaves 3 more directions for the joystick A,B,Z,L, and R... so a total of 9 input commands add start and select and you are at 11 this controller in your hand has 21 buttons! I literally stopped the vid at 1:06 to leave this comment soooo now on to the rest of the vid which will hopefully explain why I need 10 extra buttons...
P.S. Ok maybe the extra buttons make sense... great video!
i bet the sonic mains would love a bop it controller
i wonder how difficult it is to make one of these
Fight stick has a stick, the fight pad has a d-pad, so calling it a fight box or a fight board would probably be more appropriate.
"Mayorio maker" lmfao it's "MAR-IO Maker"
I’d love to try playing defender - that LH button arrangement would suit the up/down movement and thumb to reverse direction. Damn I’m old.
eh, way back in the early 2000s when i first got into snes emulation having to use a keyboard instead of a controller(I just didnt have a pc controller) was the worst. The 3 in one magic box with a ps2 or gc controller was the greatest thing since sliced bread for me lol
as someone who's been playing on b0xx-style layouts for several years now, the modified layout here is truly horrendous. there's a certain level of understanding that should be required before destroying your entire button layout. the modifiers make sense where they are, and you dont need up to jump when you have jump buttons on the right hand. rebinding a in particular was truly heinous, cant believe that one. i will say, though, things like jump + shield being next to each other for wavedashes and jump + z being next to each other for jc grabs aren't needed in ultimate, but the default bindings really do make sense, despite the learning curve.
I'm that weird person who never understood the joycon hate. They work well for me in everything I've played and I'd much rather the smaller form factor of attached to the device (I mostly play portable) than a separate controller. Glad at least one pro gets it can be an option, haha
If I could guarantee that my joycons wouldn't drift, I would only play joy cons
If they didn’t drift so easily, I’m sure that people wouldn’t hate the Joycons as much.
missed opportunity to call it smack box
Why is there so many buttons ? I get input on the left but why cant you just use the 8 buttons on the right and rid the other ones hmmm.
To be tediously pedantic about this, the history of the word "pad" in videogame hardware naming conventions would suggest a handheld controller (e.g. "joypad", "gamepad"). I'd suggest "fighting board" or "fightboard", since the form factor has more in common with a keyboard.
What was the music in the background at the beginning? Is it wii resort? I've never played it and I kno nothing about it except by name only, but its giving me a really strong feeling that it is wii resort.
The frame 1 drop was crazy, it sold out in 2 minutes, I got one of the last ones in that drop
"another random shield button" thats for wavedashing king
Question. Now that it has been over a year, do you think you've fully adapted to a box? Do you think you are as good with this as you were previously with a GC/Pro controller? Or did you end up going back to a controller? I already tried turning tap jump off a year ago, and just gave up. Changing controls is something i find difficult in smash and never end up going through with it. I want to try a box, but i dont want to make another purchase that ends up shoved in a closet somewhere, although i'm sure id use it for other games.
Its interesting because we both play smash the same way, Tap jump and no tilts, with "half the moves locked away". Maybe i will try a box.
@@humanplantmanI think you should learn to set your C-stick to tilts. People who use box commonly do this so they can access the tilt pool with dedicated buttons. Should help you.
Real question: Why do people say Mair-e-o when the Nintendo characters refer to Mario or when Mario says his name himself he says: "Mar- e - o"?
What is that.
What i remembered they used joysticks from the 80's. I am surprised they didn't did that then instead.
It's actually good for fighting moves like guile i hear. do up down or multiple button angles at once.
IDK i don't own one so i can't tell you if id recommend it..
Smash official controller is already the gamecube controller....
Those new pvm style lcds are looking sick! How's the input lag on them?
Not bad at all. I'm sure it would feel bad if you're used to actual CRTs, but they feel better than any modern day TV i've adapted the SNES into.
@@WulffDen That's awesome, I'll have to keep that in mind whenever I get around to making a game room
Bahb wulff wit them biceps god damn son
These were designed for melee since the game's higher APM can damage your hands. Ultimate just appropriated it lol.