Thanks for stopping and letting us keep you on the dinghy dock in George Town sc. was. So awesome to meet someone who we have been watching. While we were hunting for our vessel. And the second day we’re in the water on our own journey and we meet. Thanks for being so nice and. Hope to sea you again and have a safe trip to your haul out port.
Same guys! Was amazing meeting you all too!! Can’t wait to see your adventures down in Florida! Def keen for a catch up on our way down! Keep in touch, let us know how u are traveling! ⛵️⛵️safe cruising!
Genuine easily understood info' makes for an interesting vid. And your willingness to respond to the various comments in some detail (yes I read them all lol!) gets a big thumbs up from me. Now onto videos 2 & 3.
Research, research, research...you guys did a great job and found a one of a kind "hurricane damaged" Beneteau ! Zephyr will give you guys years of fun adventures!!
100℅ but you run an incredibly high risk of not getting anything remotely close to what you thought. The risk to reward ratio is about the same as trying to make your monthly bills at the poker table
Nat, James this is the best purchase you have ever made!! you have been gutsy buying sight unseen but hey "What can go wrong" get heaps of sail training, read read read every boat book you can lay your hands on and Enjoy Enjoy Cheers Mick (just subscribed)
Thanks Mick & Annie. We are pretty excited as well. Read read read and hopefully make less and less mistakes. But most importantly have a lot of fun doing it and share our adventures to inspire. Appreciate the support. Legends!
Good luck with your boat I’ve seen barefoot when in nanny Kay I am very happy for you and I hope you have fair winds and enjoy the amazing adventures that lay ahead I also bought a damaged catamaran in nanny Kay without survey After partial repairs sailed it across to Uk I would do it all over again Look forward to your next video
That's amazing Blade. What did you end up buying? If you have time, would love it if you sent us an email ( contact.sailingzephyr@gmail.com) about your experience buying, fixing and sailing your cat back to the UK.
@@SailingZephyr I have to transport it from Green Turtle Cay Abaco to Freeport Grand Bahama. I will send a link to my UA-cam channel so you can watch it.
Hi there! Loving the videos- looking forward to part 1 and 2 of this series. We live on the southeast coast of Florida (Jensen Beach) and are curious about hurricane Dorian damaged sailboats in The Bahamas. I don't seem to be able to find anything yet. Being as the storm was Sept '19 and damage in the area was so massive, I'm assuming they aren't available yet. There are also many areas that weren't hit as badly as Abaco where there is still boat damage. Interesting to hear any thoughts! We'd love to get over for volunteer efforts, as well.
Hi Victoria - It does take some time for the insurance claims to go through, and then the boats get purchased by the liquidators. Some spend a little time making some minor hull repairs before selling. But keep searching. 😀👍
Just saw this video before hurricane IRAM hit the BVI's "A HURRICANE destroyed our BOAT | 3 Years Later - (Unforgettable Sailing)" where your boat was on the hard under the old name "Barefoot Life" @ 5:22
It must say something about me that my two favorite sailing channels both have boats that were damaged during hurricane Irma and restored (Parlay Revival is the other one). I’ve really enjoyed watching what y’all have done from your first video forward. Wishing you continued happiness and success on your adventure.
I also think you’ve shown that picking contractors, marinas, or people that stand behind their work is critical . If I remember correctly you ran into a couple problems with repairs that needed followup and the vendors stood behind their work.
Wow, congrats. Seems like you guys really lucked out. It seems like so many of people who try that it becomes a train wreck. Especially for people who are sailing/boating neophytes. Sometimes ignorance is bliss. As a sailor since I was a little kid, I'm always kind of amazed by people who with no background suddenly decide that they want to buy a boat. I always tell them to at least take some sailing lessons first and maybe do a charter to find out if you really like it. Of course, you were really smart to make sure that the boat had not had any water intrusion, but I still would have been really wary of any boat that had been knocked off its stands because there could be a lot of hull damage beyond the obvious of the chain plate repair and mast replacement. I went down a similar rabbit hole in the summer of 2018 when I was taking some time off between jobs and ultimately concluded that I wasn't willing to take those kinds of risks, having heard one horror story after another from folks who had gotten in way over their heads with costs spiraling out of control and many eventually abandoning the project entirely. Seems like you found the proverbial one in a million. One thing I'd be curious about would be which site you found to be particularly useful for your search. Wondering if there were any that I missed where I might have found something better than what I was seeing. I'd also be curious about how your experience goes with the in mast furling. Personally, I would have stuck with the original boom and mainsail both for performance reasons and for fear that if anything goes wrong with the in mast furling, that can be really problematic where as with a traditional main, if you really get in deep doo doo, you can always just cut the halyard to get the sail down and if any of the carrs are stuck, at least they are on the outside where you can get at them by going up the mast.
Some I formation that may ease your in Mast Furling Mainsail Concerns. First, my background is Officially an Old Fart +5 years in just over a week, and for most of my life have loved bouncing around on the foredeck changing Hank on Sails, and Lazy Lazyjacks and stackpack Mains. However, I'm trying to stick with Sailboats and avoiding going motorboats to stay Afloat for as long as possible, plus I'm disabled to the point where a Stackpacked Mainsail was an absolute nightmare on my last boat, a long Keel Shallow Draft Endeavour 32 Beauty. Below deck, the Forward V Berth was Much too high, and I fell out of bed very painfully too often, plus the companionway steps were way too steep resulting in Skinned and bruised Shins once too often, and there was the issue of needing to be a fit Mountain Climbsr to even get from the Dinghy into the Cockpit. Talk about needing a major rethink ! Right Sail handling requires Reliable easy Furling right, so what screws up Furling Mainsails ? Two things, Batten induced friction and Chafing and Rapid Baggyness of the lowest cost Cross Cut Dacron Sails. Battens get stuck in the Furling slot, and baggy cloth folds and gets stuck in Furling slots, plus Proper Cruising, Cross Cut Sails are pretty much shot in 2 to 3 seasons so about 2 years tops if going a long way for a long time. So I had a think about shape retention and dramatic reduction in wear and Tear, a d after a lot of thought figured out what would would for a Cruiser like me, who would find the loss of Performance easy to live with if I skipped on a Jib, and went with a 120% to 130% Genoa instead to recover the missing Mainsail Power ? Answer, a Suitably Constructed Battenless Triradial made from Dacron /Polyester Sailcloth. First enquiry via a Boatbuilder I was interested in, Yes, Triradial fine, but only Fully Battened. So I got in touch with Precision Sails asking if they made them. Fast Answer too, yes they've made a number of Battenless Furling Mainsails, when ordering if for Offshore Use, just tick the Bluewater Construction option on the form. Then they added something Really interesting, that they had found Triradial Construction recovered most of the Power compared to a fully battened Cross Cut Sail. You can also get a Friction reduction coating applied to both sides of the Sail, and have it refreshed when the Sail is Valeted. Now compare the Sail Service Life and Shape Retention of Triradial (I'd add reinforcing strips and 3 reefing points plus Sail Telltales, upping the cost a bit, but you are looking at a useful life of about 20 years, which is almost ten times longer than baggypants Crosscut, for only a bit over double the price, and you get reliable unfurling and Furling as well? Obviously Sailboat Racers pushing everything 100% or more will hate them, but Cruisers like me, well I like to keep stresses in Sails etc to about 80% anyway, which helps to dramatically reduce the odds of breaking things expensively. I might drop the Genoa size to 120%, as Power from the Main should be fine, with a medium weight cloth Triradial with 3 Reefs too, to be more of a completement to a wind Angle Gap Filling Furling Polyester (no Mylar) Laminate Reaching Code Zero, just to test one out. If as good as I think it might be, I might just Have a Main Sail made the same way, and keep the Triradial Main as the SpareUllman Sails quoted a good price on the Laminate Code Zero, and a not too bad price for a Battenless Triradial Furling Main in Halling 9.11 Sailcloth. Elvestrom now do a battenless Furling Radial Main too, and Quantum do as well, so things look up. Hope that bit of research helps, Best Wishes and Fair Winds. Bob. 👍⛵️✨️✨️✨️✨️✨️- can't resist stars, I'm a bit of a useless amateur Astronomer too passionate about watching Nebulae. 😀
1st time seeing your channel, this is a really good video. Subject matter, organization, presentation, AV quality... it's all very well done. Here is my question: Knowing what you now know, would you have committed to a boat this large as a 1st boat?... I ask, because costs go up exponentially as boat size climbs, also handling a larger boat is more difficult than handling a smaller boat. I think most people would have recommended a boat in the 30-35 foot range for a 1st boat. Best wishes, I hope you are happy as can be.
Thanks for the amazing feedback. And a great question. You are definitely right, bigger the boat, bigger the costs. We had decided we wanted a boat somewhere between 40-50ft because we were going to be liveaboards and being little selfish wanted some more livable space. One of the things we decided was to change to a In-Furling main so that we would be able to manage things easier. Essentially we have no reason to leave the cockpit for any of the sail handling. This also added a degree of safety. I think ultimately it's what your comfortable with. We did go out sailing on a friends boat that was around 35ft and it helped give us perspective. So I would say, get out on some different size boats and see how they feel. Stay safe. 👍
G S think very very carefully about it, I have absolutely no clue what sort of boat you are looking for, cat , mono, length, rig etcetera, for a real experience with a catamaran I'd highly recommend Parlay Revival's channel, well worth a watch, bear in mind Colin is an ex super yacht ships engineer, and has a heap of knowledge and a bunch of mates helping him. If you're looking at a monohull, are you looking for a newer production boat, or are you looking for a more solidly built purpose built cruising yacht, and believe me there are incomparable differences between the two. There are thousands upon thousands of used boats for sale at around the 50K mark, 40' and upwards, ready to sail away on, another thing is that you must get a boat that is the best suited to your sailing requirements, safety and comfort, ease of sail handling etc all are extremely important if you're doing off-shore passages, as most cruising yachts do, if you're doing day sails with the odd overnighter close inshore then you can get away with a less robust, faster, more agile modern fin keel spade rudder production boat. If the hull and rig are damaged, water has ingressed, walk on by, you're in for many, many grand. It's a bit like buying a totalled sports car, and then trying to build it back up with aftermarket parts, as opposed to just buying a slightly less modern and fast car that hasn't buy totalled for way less. Do you want to go sailing, or sit in a boatyard for 2 years
I wish you happiness along your life in your boat. I have intended to buy a hurricane damaged beneteau 473, mast was lost. But I hear that, buying a new mast in caribbeans is a big problem. It is very hard to find a new or used mast, or suppliers quote higher prices. Did you face such a problem?
@Zafer Yavuzcan thanks for your message! It is kind of tough in the Caribbean, as they quote you insurance prices....we found it easier to contact the manufacturer directly to have a better idea of what the mast should cost before speaking to a local rigger! Good luck! Let us know how it goes
Hi Jeff. More info is on the way. Great question about Value. At this point there is no reason to suggest value will be affected. We have spoken to a couple other people who have done something similar and have sold their boats at market price. I think it also depends on the type of damage. If the boat had of sustained big hull breaches and submersion ( like a lot of boats did) then perhaps market value would be affected.
Very interesting video, and a great channel. We have done something similar to you guys in buying an Irma damaged boat in BVIs (ours is in Virgin Gorda). Watching the video, seeing that you flew from BNE, it dawned on me that I chatted with you about a year ago concerning a mainsail, small world!
@@SailingZephyr Similar situation to yours, purchased unseen. The boat was on the hard and when it was pushed off the blocking the mast came down and keel damaged. All the glass work has been completed while the mast is being done now. Our boat s getting there slowly (island time is definitely a factor), but I am not ready to set sail yet, so not stressing. I ended up having the damage on mainsail repaired.
Thanks! Great information. We are planning on doing the exact same thing! What was the extent of work completed prior to your first sail? With no sailing experience, how did you learn to sail? We are obviously inexperienced sailors!
Hey Aaron - all great questions. We will be answering all the questions around the boat in part 2 & 3. With regards to our sailing experience. I read countless books, UA-camd like a madman, managed to go sailing twice and just be humble. I asked lots of questions all the time and took it slow. The great thing about the sailing community is that people are always willing to help and are generally happy to answer questions. Especially if you buy them a beer. 😀
hi Guys, thank you for your great videos. i wanted to ask you, was there a particular marina or broker that you found was best for salvage yachts or did you just Google 'hurrican damaged boat" as well as yacht trader, buy a boat etc, thanks. Nathan
Hi Nathan - Cheers for the support. I did do the general google search in the beginning, but then I started to reach out to salvage companies direct and to Auction houses that specialize in selling insurance claimed items. If I had to recommend a particular company though for boats that need TLC from storms, contact BVI Yacht Sales through there website. In particular, reach out to Chesnee Cogswell. He specializes in storm damaged boats throughout the Caribbean. Chesnee@bviyachtsales.com Pickings are a little slim at the moment, but that will also depend on your budget and the amount of work you want to take on. Chesnee can help you through the process easily and in general provide some great advice. Mention you spoke to us and he will go that extra mile for you. 😉 Good luck. Feel free to reach out if you have any other questions.
Good info. I also have a related insurance question. Has or will your insurance company let you go off sailing with no prior experience and if not, what sort of requirements are they demanding before your able to sail off to distance shores?
Pay the premium on time. They are the ones taking the money risk. It's actually kinda rare a boat gets wiped out by the time you figure out how to "not sink" it. However, damaging OTHER peoples boats is pretty common. That, or I had some sort of rookie sailor magnet where they all bumped into my boat all the time. Proper anchoring is a HUGE rookie mistake in a blow, or heavy waves. That and people who sail in, and didn't like sailing, "park" their boat and fly back to NY and put it up for sail where they hoped on a plane. The poor boat sits there until the next rookie buys it, or drags anchor into a reef, or YOUR boat and sinks. I could write a book on neglectful boat owners, and why salvage companies make a fortune.
It all depends on the insurance company, where you are sailing, etc., and whether they can sell it to their underwriters. We didn't have insurance until we reached the Med. Mainly because we couldn't get it in the Caribbean for a reasonable price. They have something called the BOX for insurers in the Caribbean. And if you're in the BOX, prices are $$$$. So although it was risky, we sorted our insurance to start when we arrived in the Med.
It's a bit of a loaded question as it depends on a lot of factors such as cruising area, boat value, skipper experience, previous claims, company you're insuring with, boat flag and many more. We've had quotes at times that have been thousands apart.
Definitely not a stupid question. And I certainly did google that in the beginning. But then I spoke to someone who explained what happens to the boats and how to start looking up companies that are selling them. So I started looking up Liquidators and salvage companies who buy insurance write off boats and resell them. And some have brokers who work for them. I probably looked through 200+ boats easily. Try BVI yacht sales. They might still have a few. Try searching the Bahamas. I thought about specific areas that were big in yachting and where the storms hit.
@@SailingZephyr thank you..i can't believe you replied..so many others don't..i have about 2 years to find a boat and do repairs..that's very helpful..it was videos like yours and others that convinced myself and my wife that this lifestyle is possible..we thought we could only afford RV living (nothing wrong with that) but we've been in love with the water for years..thanks again.. we'll be watching..continued success for you two..i do have a couple of questions concerning cost/repairs..but I'll wait to see if that's coming up in future videos..if not i may contact you again..thanks..from future sailors/cruisers?? 2022
That’s awesome David. Super excited for you guys. Please feel free to email us. We can answer more detailed questions you have. But yes you are correct. In the next two videos we talk numbers and all the work that went into reviving her. 👍
Great boat , I sold my 39i and the survey haul out was 9/5/2017 . Lost it n my chance to buy a 43 Beneteau . My question, did you think Of resale someday and how it would effect your selling price as a hurricane boat
Hi Edward - great question. And something we address in part 3. But yes we did consider that as well. As ours did not actually suffer hull damage, this was a huge plus. Most of the hurricane damaged boats I looked at suffered punctures or damage to large sections of the hull. In general I avoided these. I felt that would definitely impact resale value in the future. But our boat only suffered loss of rig, chain plate damage and superficial damage. Nothing structural. I’m confident the value won’t be affected as the boat when we are done will actually be in better shape and better equipped overall.
Personally I would never entertain the thought of a hurricane damaged boat, mostly because I can and will do the required repairs, upgrades and refit work myself. Get a hard stand survey done, and a professional rig inspection, regardless of the costs involved, it will save you tears. Single most important thing if buying a boat, ANY boat. I have no idea what you payed, but Ii can guarantee you my budget is way less than yours, but then I'm looking for the exact opposite type of boat to you, and plan to do more extreme sailing than you would provably do (Solo circumnavigation no canal transit, lower latitudes) a production boat is not going to cut the mustard, horses for courses is another thing to take into consideration, I'm never going to find a 35 to 38 foot encapsulated long keel canoe stern cutter rig with bowsprit, high bulwarks, solid laminate hull that can withstand the forces of heavy weather sailing with structural mountings for warps, sea anchors or series drogues, old is good in so many ways, firstly boats from the 60's and 70's were built like tanks, old Westsails/Pacific Seacraft and Hans Christians, Cheoy Lee etc etc etc. There is an interesting video documentary with Bill Crealock on cruising yacht design and if like me plan solo/short handed higher or lower latitude sailing with extreme conditions being a given you had better have a good solid boat with all propulsion, counterbalance and steerage integral to the solid laminate hull and a keel stepped mast with oversized standing rigging. None of this bolt in fin keel spade rudder nonsense will work unless it's a custom designed and built purpose specific boat at extreme costs. The GGR is a prime example of what I'm on about, all the GGR boats are old boats, by respected naval architects and are that because the only mandatory boat specifications for the race are 1 full or long keel, 2 under 39' 3 self steering wind vane. If you want to buy a boat and do not have a very comprehensive knowledge of ALL structural and systemic elements of your boat you had better have very deep pockets, especially if the vessel is not in regular or constant use. Ive spent over 18 months doing research on boats, and I'm no closer to finding a boat than I was at day 1. Also THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A PERFECT BOAT.
Hey Guys - Thanks for checking us out! We are both Australian Citizens and our home is Australia. But Natalie is raised in Spain and I was born in Canada. We are a proper mixed bag. Haha. Where are you guys at in the world?
Sailing Zephyr Our sailboat is on Lac Champlain New York, we will be sailing down the ICW after summer to Florida and probably down to Mexico (Our cats are not accepted in the Bahamas)
Thanks for stopping and letting us keep you on the dinghy dock in George Town sc. was. So awesome to meet someone who we have been watching. While we were hunting for our vessel. And the second day we’re in the water on our own journey and we meet. Thanks for being so nice and. Hope to sea you again and have a safe trip to your haul out port.
Same guys! Was amazing meeting you all too!! Can’t wait to see your adventures down in Florida! Def keen for a catch up on our way down! Keep in touch, let us know how u are traveling! ⛵️⛵️safe cruising!
Genuine easily understood info' makes for an interesting vid. And your willingness to respond to the various comments in some detail (yes I read them all lol!) gets a big thumbs up from me. Now onto videos 2 & 3.
Thank you so much for the kind words. Let us know if you have any questions. 👍
you went down the rabbit hole I've been going down for weeks!! It all started with SV Delos and y'all are the latest channel I have found!
Woo Hoo! That's awesome Nicole. Thanks for checking us out. 😁👍
Research, research, research...you guys did a great job and found a one of a kind "hurricane damaged" Beneteau !
Zephyr will give you guys years of fun adventures!!
Cheers Chris.
100℅ but you run an incredibly high risk of not getting anything remotely close to what you thought. The risk to reward ratio is about the same as trying to make your monthly bills at the poker table
Nat, James this is the best purchase you have ever made!! you have been gutsy buying sight unseen but hey "What can go wrong" get heaps of sail training, read read read every boat book you can lay your hands on and Enjoy Enjoy Cheers Mick (just subscribed)
Thanks Mick & Annie. We are pretty excited as well. Read read read and hopefully make less and less mistakes. But most importantly have a lot of fun doing it and share our adventures to inspire. Appreciate the support. Legends!
Good luck with your boat
I’ve seen barefoot when in nanny Kay
I am very happy for you and I hope you have fair winds and enjoy the amazing adventures that lay ahead
I also bought a damaged catamaran in nanny Kay without survey
After partial repairs sailed it across to
Uk
I would do it all over again
Look forward to your next video
That's amazing Blade. What did you end up buying? If you have time, would love it if you sent us an email ( contact.sailingzephyr@gmail.com) about your experience buying, fixing and sailing your cat back to the UK.
I just bought a hurricane Dorian damaged sail boat. Nice video.
Yay! Enjoy it!!! When do you pick it up??
@@SailingZephyr I have to transport it from Green Turtle Cay Abaco to Freeport Grand Bahama. I will send a link to my UA-cam channel so you can watch it.
Hi there! Loving the videos- looking forward to part 1 and 2 of this series. We live on the southeast coast of Florida (Jensen Beach) and are curious about hurricane Dorian damaged sailboats in The Bahamas. I don't seem to be able to find anything yet. Being as the storm was Sept '19 and damage in the area was so massive, I'm assuming they aren't available yet. There are also many areas that weren't hit as badly as Abaco where there is still boat damage. Interesting to hear any thoughts! We'd love to get over for volunteer efforts, as well.
Hi Victoria -
It does take some time for the insurance claims to go through, and then the boats get purchased by the liquidators. Some spend a little time making some minor hull repairs before selling. But keep searching. 😀👍
how about some figures like how much for the boat,repairs etc?
;)
Wow I am doing the same. I bought a Jeanneau from Nanny Cay a few months ago. Lots of work and lots to go. There are a few left in BVI
Awesome mate. Send us some pics at contact.sailingzephyr@gmail.com. Would love to hear more about it.
This has to be useful to anyone wanting to buy a hurricane damaged boat.
Could you maybe list a few websites that have these types of boats?
Hey Joseph! Can you send us an email…contact.sailingzephyr@gmail.com and James can send u links to those websites!
Just saw this video before hurricane IRAM hit the BVI's "A HURRICANE destroyed our BOAT | 3 Years Later - (Unforgettable Sailing)" where your boat was on the hard under the old name "Barefoot Life" @ 5:22
It must say something about me that my two favorite sailing channels both have boats that were damaged during hurricane Irma and restored (Parlay Revival is the other one). I’ve really enjoyed watching what y’all have done from your first video forward. Wishing you continued happiness and success on your adventure.
Thanks Barbara. We are big fans of them as well.
I also think you’ve shown that picking contractors, marinas, or people that stand behind their work is critical . If I remember correctly you ran into a couple problems with repairs that needed followup and the vendors stood behind their work.
Wow, congrats. Seems like you guys really lucked out. It seems like so many of people who try that it becomes a train wreck. Especially for people who are sailing/boating neophytes. Sometimes ignorance is bliss. As a sailor since I was a little kid, I'm always kind of amazed by people who with no background suddenly decide that they want to buy a boat. I always tell them to at least take some sailing lessons first and maybe do a charter to find out if you really like it. Of course, you were really smart to make sure that the boat had not had any water intrusion, but I still would have been really wary of any boat that had been knocked off its stands because there could be a lot of hull damage beyond the obvious of the chain plate repair and mast replacement. I went down a similar rabbit hole in the summer of 2018 when I was taking some time off between jobs and ultimately concluded that I wasn't willing to take those kinds of risks, having heard one horror story after another from folks who had gotten in way over their heads with costs spiraling out of control and many eventually abandoning the project entirely. Seems like you found the proverbial one in a million. One thing I'd be curious about would be which site you found to be particularly useful for your search. Wondering if there were any that I missed where I might have found something better than what I was seeing. I'd also be curious about how your experience goes with the in mast furling. Personally, I would have stuck with the original boom and mainsail both for performance reasons and for fear that if anything goes wrong with the in mast furling, that can be really problematic where as with a traditional main, if you really get in deep doo doo, you can always just cut the halyard to get the sail down and if any of the carrs are stuck, at least they are on the outside where you can get at them by going up the mast.
Some I formation that may ease your in Mast Furling Mainsail Concerns. First, my background is Officially an Old Fart +5 years in just over a week, and for most of my life have loved bouncing around on the foredeck changing Hank on Sails, and Lazy Lazyjacks and stackpack Mains. However, I'm trying to stick with Sailboats and avoiding going motorboats to stay Afloat for as long as possible, plus I'm disabled to the point where a Stackpacked Mainsail was an absolute nightmare on my last boat, a long Keel Shallow Draft Endeavour 32 Beauty. Below deck, the Forward V Berth was Much too high, and I fell out of bed very painfully too often, plus the companionway steps were way too steep resulting in Skinned and bruised Shins once too often, and there was the issue of needing to be a fit Mountain Climbsr to even get from the Dinghy into the Cockpit. Talk about needing a major rethink ! Right Sail handling requires Reliable easy Furling right, so what screws up Furling Mainsails ? Two things, Batten induced friction and Chafing and Rapid Baggyness of the lowest cost Cross Cut Dacron Sails. Battens get stuck in the Furling slot, and baggy cloth folds and gets stuck in Furling slots, plus Proper Cruising, Cross Cut Sails are pretty much shot in 2 to 3 seasons so about 2 years tops if going a long way for a long time. So I had a think about shape retention and dramatic reduction in wear and Tear, a d after a lot of thought figured out what would would for a Cruiser like me, who would find the loss of Performance easy to live with if I skipped on a Jib, and went with a 120% to 130% Genoa instead to recover the missing Mainsail Power ? Answer, a Suitably Constructed Battenless Triradial made from Dacron /Polyester Sailcloth. First enquiry via a Boatbuilder I was interested in, Yes, Triradial fine, but only Fully Battened. So I got in touch with Precision Sails asking if they made them. Fast Answer too, yes they've made a number of Battenless Furling Mainsails, when ordering if for Offshore Use, just tick the Bluewater Construction option on the form. Then they added something Really interesting, that they had found Triradial Construction recovered most of the Power compared to a fully battened Cross Cut Sail. You can also get a Friction reduction coating applied to both sides of the Sail, and have it refreshed when the Sail is Valeted. Now compare the Sail Service Life and Shape Retention of Triradial (I'd add reinforcing strips and 3 reefing points plus Sail Telltales, upping the cost a bit, but you are looking at a useful life of about 20 years, which is almost ten times longer than baggypants Crosscut, for only a bit over double the price, and you get reliable unfurling and Furling as well? Obviously Sailboat Racers pushing everything 100% or more will hate them, but Cruisers like me, well I like to keep stresses in Sails etc to about 80% anyway, which helps to dramatically reduce the odds of breaking things expensively. I might drop the Genoa size to 120%, as Power from the Main should be fine, with a medium weight cloth Triradial with 3 Reefs too, to be more of a completement to a wind Angle Gap Filling Furling Polyester (no Mylar) Laminate Reaching Code Zero, just to test one out. If as good as I think it might be, I might just Have a Main Sail made the same way, and keep the Triradial Main as the SpareUllman Sails quoted a good price on the Laminate Code Zero, and a not too bad price for a Battenless Triradial Furling Main in Halling 9.11 Sailcloth. Elvestrom now do a battenless Furling Radial Main too, and Quantum do as well, so things look up. Hope that bit of research helps, Best Wishes and Fair Winds. Bob. 👍⛵️✨️✨️✨️✨️✨️- can't resist stars, I'm a bit of a useless amateur Astronomer too passionate about watching Nebulae. 😀
Great work guys I wish you the best
Cheers h cj
loved the video, looking forward to part 2.. Cheers!
Thanks Ray. 👍
Great info....thank you for sharing!
No worries Ian. Thanks for the support.
Thanks guys good info , looking fwd to part 2
Cheers
Tim
Cheers Tim.
1st time seeing your channel, this is a really good video. Subject matter, organization, presentation, AV quality... it's all very well done. Here is my question: Knowing what you now know, would you have committed to a boat this large as a 1st boat?... I ask, because costs go up exponentially as boat size climbs, also handling a larger boat is more difficult than handling a smaller boat. I think most people would have recommended a boat in the 30-35 foot range for a 1st boat. Best wishes, I hope you are happy as can be.
Thanks for the amazing feedback. And a great question.
You are definitely right, bigger the boat, bigger the costs. We had decided we wanted a boat somewhere between 40-50ft because we were going to be liveaboards and being little selfish wanted some more livable space. One of the things we decided was to change to a In-Furling main so that we would be able to manage things easier. Essentially we have no reason to leave the cockpit for any of the sail handling. This also added a degree of safety. I think ultimately it's what your comfortable with. We did go out sailing on a friends boat that was around 35ft and it helped give us perspective. So I would say, get out on some different size boats and see how they feel. Stay safe. 👍
Good job very informative. Will check out some of your other videos. Dying to see how much it cost you. LOL
Glad you enjoyed the video Tin! 🤩⛵️
What was the purchase price? And what were the repair costs. We are planning the same journey?
Stay tuned. Answers coming in part 2 and 3.
G S think very very carefully about it, I have absolutely no clue what sort of boat you are looking for, cat , mono, length, rig etcetera, for a real experience with a catamaran I'd highly recommend Parlay Revival's channel, well worth a watch, bear in mind Colin is an ex super yacht ships engineer, and has a heap of knowledge and a bunch of mates helping him.
If you're looking at a monohull, are you looking for a newer production boat, or are you looking for a more solidly built purpose built cruising yacht, and believe me there are incomparable differences between the two. There are thousands upon thousands of used boats for sale at around the 50K mark, 40' and upwards, ready to sail away on, another thing is that you must get a boat that is the best suited to your sailing requirements, safety and comfort, ease of sail handling etc all are extremely important if you're doing off-shore passages, as most cruising yachts do, if you're doing day sails with the odd overnighter close inshore then you can get away with a less robust, faster, more agile modern fin keel spade rudder production boat. If the hull and rig are damaged, water has ingressed, walk on by, you're in for many, many grand.
It's a bit like buying a totalled sports car, and then trying to build it back up with aftermarket parts, as opposed to just buying a slightly less modern and fast car that hasn't buy totalled for way less. Do you want to go sailing, or sit in a boatyard for 2 years
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Cheers Jonno. Appreciate the heads up. And great info above. There is a mountain of info to climb before you buy. ;)
I wish you happiness along your life in your boat. I have intended to buy a hurricane damaged beneteau 473, mast was lost. But I hear that, buying a new mast in caribbeans is a big problem. It is very hard to find a new or used mast, or suppliers quote higher prices. Did you face such a problem?
@Zafer Yavuzcan thanks for your message! It is kind of tough in the Caribbean, as they quote you insurance prices....we found it easier to contact the manufacturer directly to have a better idea of what the mast should cost before speaking to a local rigger! Good luck! Let us know how it goes
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Check Marsh Harbour boat yard for hurricane damaged boats.
I bought a boat from Green Turtle Cay.
Awsome tips thanks.
Very clever you guys
Looking forward to more info. Will the value of your boat be affected by it being a salvaged boat?
Hi Jeff. More info is on the way. Great question about Value. At this point there is no reason to suggest value will be affected. We have spoken to a couple other people who have done something similar and have sold their boats at market price.
I think it also depends on the type of damage. If the boat had of sustained big hull breaches and submersion ( like a lot of boats did) then perhaps market value would be affected.
That was very interesting - Thank you..
Very interesting video, and a great channel. We have done something similar to you guys in buying an Irma damaged boat in BVIs (ours is in Virgin Gorda). Watching the video, seeing that you flew from BNE, it dawned on me that I chatted with you about a year ago concerning a mainsail, small world!
Alan! That was definitely us. I was trying to sell our mainsail. How did you get on with your boat?
@@SailingZephyr Similar situation to yours, purchased unseen. The boat was on the hard and when it was pushed off the blocking the mast came down and keel damaged. All the glass work has been completed while the mast is being done now. Our boat s getting there slowly (island time is definitely a factor), but I am not ready to set sail yet, so not stressing. I ended up having the damage on mainsail repaired.
Thanks! Great information. We are planning on doing the exact same thing! What was the extent of work completed prior to your first sail? With no sailing experience, how did you learn to sail? We are obviously inexperienced sailors!
Hey Aaron - all great questions. We will be answering all the questions around the boat in part 2 & 3.
With regards to our sailing experience. I read countless books, UA-camd like a madman, managed to go sailing twice and just be humble. I asked lots of questions all the time and took it slow. The great thing about the sailing community is that people are always willing to help and are generally happy to answer questions. Especially if you buy them a beer. 😀
hi Guys, thank you for your great videos. i wanted to ask you, was there a particular marina or broker that you found was best for salvage yachts or did you just Google 'hurrican damaged boat" as well as yacht trader, buy a boat etc, thanks. Nathan
Hi Nathan - Cheers for the support. I did do the general google search in the beginning, but then I started to reach out to salvage companies direct and to Auction houses that specialize in selling insurance claimed items. If I had to recommend a particular company though for boats that need TLC from storms, contact BVI Yacht Sales through there website. In particular, reach out to Chesnee Cogswell. He specializes in storm damaged boats throughout the Caribbean. Chesnee@bviyachtsales.com
Pickings are a little slim at the moment, but that will also depend on your budget and the amount of work you want to take on. Chesnee can help you through the process easily and in general provide some great advice. Mention you spoke to us and he will go that extra mile for you. 😉 Good luck. Feel free to reach out if you have any other questions.
@@SailingZephyr Thank you, keep safe.
Good info. I also have a related insurance question. Has or will your insurance company let you go off sailing with no prior experience and if not, what sort of requirements are they demanding before your able to sail off to distance shores?
Pay the premium on time. They are the ones taking the money risk. It's actually kinda rare a boat gets wiped out by the time you figure out how to "not sink" it. However, damaging OTHER peoples boats is pretty common. That, or I had some sort of rookie sailor magnet where they all bumped into my boat all the time. Proper anchoring is a HUGE rookie mistake in a blow, or heavy waves. That and people who sail in, and didn't like sailing, "park" their boat and fly back to NY and put it up for sail where they hoped on a plane. The poor boat sits there until the next rookie buys it, or drags anchor into a reef, or YOUR boat and sinks. I could write a book on neglectful boat owners, and why salvage companies make a fortune.
It all depends on the insurance company, where you are sailing, etc., and whether they can sell it to their underwriters. We didn't have insurance until we reached the Med. Mainly because we couldn't get it in the Caribbean for a reasonable price. They have something called the BOX for insurers in the Caribbean. And if you're in the BOX, prices are $$$$. So although it was risky, we sorted our insurance to start when we arrived in the Med.
Good advice! Love your videos!
Cheers. 👍
Wonderful info!!
Cheers Peter.
I just Subcribed.
Awesome!
Good vid ya'll.
Cheers
what are insurance costs on a boat ?
It's a bit of a loaded question as it depends on a lot of factors such as cruising area, boat value, skipper experience, previous claims, company you're insuring with, boat flag and many more. We've had quotes at times that have been thousands apart.
@@SailingZephyr Does that mean that you can get insurance on a hurricane damaged insurance write-off? Can you please describe that process in part II?
Send me an email Ray. I'll go into more detail. And short answer..Yes you can.
@@SailingZephyr Sent via facebook. Thanks.
Did you just Google "buy hurricane damaged sailboat?" Or is there a specific sight? Hope that's not a stupid question
Definitely not a stupid question. And I certainly did google that in the beginning. But then I spoke to someone who explained what happens to the boats and how to start looking up companies that are selling them. So I started looking up Liquidators and salvage companies who buy insurance write off boats and resell them. And some have brokers who work for them. I probably looked through 200+ boats easily. Try BVI yacht sales. They might still have a few. Try searching the Bahamas. I thought about specific areas that were big in yachting and where the storms hit.
@@SailingZephyr thank you..i can't believe you replied..so many others don't..i have about 2 years to find a boat and do repairs..that's very helpful..it was videos like yours and others that convinced myself and my wife that this lifestyle is possible..we thought we could only afford RV living (nothing wrong with that) but we've been in love with the water for years..thanks again.. we'll be watching..continued success for you two..i do have a couple of questions concerning cost/repairs..but I'll wait to see if that's coming up in future videos..if not i may contact you again..thanks..from future sailors/cruisers?? 2022
That’s awesome David. Super excited for you guys. Please feel free to email us. We can answer more detailed questions you have.
But yes you are correct. In the next two videos we talk numbers and all the work that went into reviving her. 👍
I came here to ask this question as well. Thanks for the information.
I'm completely thrown trying to pick out Nats accent? A bit aussie, a bit USA, a bit NZ?????
All good Mark. We are both a bit of a hodge podge of accents. Born UK, raised in Spain, lives in Australia. 😂 James - born Canada lives Australia.
liked the video
Cheers David.
Great boat , I sold my 39i and the survey haul out was 9/5/2017 . Lost it n my chance to buy a 43 Beneteau . My question, did you think
Of resale someday and how it would effect your selling price as a hurricane boat
Hi Edward - great question. And something we address in part 3. But yes we did consider that as well. As ours did not actually suffer hull damage, this was a huge plus. Most of the hurricane damaged boats I looked at suffered punctures or damage to large sections of the hull. In general I avoided these. I felt that would definitely impact resale value in the future. But our boat only suffered loss of rig, chain plate damage and superficial damage. Nothing structural. I’m confident the value won’t be affected as the boat when we are done will actually be in better shape and better equipped overall.
I'm in the UA-cam rabbit hole now for 8 months :)
She dark and Deep.
Run fast, run far!
Personally I would never entertain the thought of a hurricane damaged boat, mostly because I can and will do the required repairs, upgrades and refit work myself. Get a hard stand survey done, and a professional rig inspection, regardless of the costs involved, it will save you tears. Single most important thing if buying a boat, ANY boat. I have no idea what you payed, but Ii can guarantee you my budget is way less than yours, but then I'm looking for the exact opposite type of boat to you, and plan to do more extreme sailing than you would provably do (Solo circumnavigation no canal transit, lower latitudes) a production boat is not going to cut the mustard, horses for courses is another thing to take into consideration, I'm never going to find a 35 to 38 foot encapsulated long keel canoe stern cutter rig with bowsprit, high bulwarks, solid laminate hull that can withstand the forces of heavy weather sailing with structural mountings for warps, sea anchors or series drogues, old is good in so many ways, firstly boats from the 60's and 70's were built like tanks, old Westsails/Pacific Seacraft and Hans Christians, Cheoy Lee etc etc etc. There is an interesting video documentary with Bill Crealock on cruising yacht design and if like me plan solo/short handed higher or lower latitude sailing with extreme conditions being a given you had better have a good solid boat with all propulsion, counterbalance and steerage integral to the solid laminate hull and a keel stepped mast with oversized standing rigging. None of this bolt in fin keel spade rudder nonsense will work unless it's a custom designed and built purpose specific boat at extreme costs. The GGR is a prime example of what I'm on about, all the GGR boats are old boats, by respected naval architects and are that because the only mandatory boat specifications for the race are 1 full or long keel, 2 under 39' 3 self steering wind vane. If you want to buy a boat and do not have a very comprehensive knowledge of ALL structural and systemic elements of your boat you had better have very deep pockets, especially if the vessel is not in regular or constant use. Ive spent over 18 months doing research on boats, and I'm no closer to finding a boat than I was at day 1. Also THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A PERFECT BOAT.
Hey, thought you guys were from Australia but saw Canadian flag on your boat, 👍🏼 from fellow sailors from Canada
Hey Guys - Thanks for checking us out! We are both Australian Citizens and our home is Australia. But Natalie is raised in Spain and I was born in Canada. We are a proper mixed bag. Haha. Where are you guys at in the world?
Sailing Zephyr Our sailboat is on Lac Champlain New York, we will be sailing down the ICW after summer to Florida and probably down to Mexico (Our cats are not accepted in the Bahamas)
I have sailed before, gunna do it again, now where do I find a cute blonde who feels like sailing all over creation? Who doesn't nag!
They are NONEXISTENT!
@@elmatador6589 youre a dip shit. Seen you before around the sailing channels spreading youre views.
You're both beautiful and smart.
You're to kind. :)
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Very interesting and thanks for sharing.