Dennis vinespine slayer is bad...? Give me a break it's a Assassinate with a body on the field. You see so many rogues playing this cause it's ANOTHER REMOVAL
I remember a few days (maybe a week?) after WOTOG came out Trump played a game vs Zoolock where Councilman played a huge role in Trumps defeat. If anyone recalls, Trump had said Darkshire Councilman was a bad card. The best part was that Trump, after the game, admitted he may have underestimated the card. Kappa
Sajad Bagheri priest is like a big elephant 🐘, strong and mighty, but can be beaten by anything that goes below his radar (4dmg, removal, aggressive play, early-mid game...)
Yogg play yogg in priest maybe rng win some games for priest if not dead till turn 10. man priest loses to aggro, loses to control, loses to devolve, loses to tokens, loses to weapons, loses to himself...
Many streamers have bad predictions... but trump is just the king of all. He just never gets it right. The most funny part is that the cards he understimates are usually the cards that shake the meta xD Next time i will know what cards i will build around my deck... i'll just check trumps video, pick the 1 star raitings and build decks around it.
In the Un'Goro metagame, it saw quite a lot of success in Token Druid until it got removed in favor of Vicious Fledgling. If you watch Trump Reviews Trump Reviews Un'Goro, he mentions this. This video was actually made around the same time that Aggro Druid lists were being refined. @MystiCalBEING89: It doesn't see play now because it's two full expansions later.
I think the funny part is trump was absolutely right about HOW many of the cards ended up being used, he named many exact scenarios that made them good, but then thought it wasn't enough or is too much of a "fringe" case and was completely wrong anyway
Sawyer Melban considering that most of the predictions were focusing on the "seeing play or not seeing play" factor, they were wrong because the card is played on a bunch of druid decks. But yeah, it is not that great
for the next expansion i'll watch trump's prediction stream and craft everything trump rates 1. Almost each and every card trump rated 0 or 1 is a good card and the ones rated 5 are shit lol
Tim Neve the big problem with trump is as most other streamers look at the cards individually trump tries to think up how the meta as a whole will change and predict how well the cards will do based off of that. do I think he should look at the cards as their own more? yes but at the same time I like hearing how he thinks up decks and how they will work before the expansion comes out
'Craft everything trump rates 1' So.... since everyone is bashing on trump, Im just gonna see which ''Amazing'' cards you would craft: DRUID: - ''Evolving Spores'' (a amazingly bad card that no one every played) -Giant Anaconda (Not even the early Druid Quest decks ever ran it) -Tyrantus (Ok, some ran it for Quest Druid, but that's about it, and now that the meta has calmed down, it sees no play) HUNTER: -Dinomancy (The Meme factor was to high for this meta) MAGE: -Shimmering Tempest (Sure, saw some play in Elemental Mage and, sometimes, Exodia Mage. But after the meta finnaly stabilized, it sees no play) -Flame Geyser (Same as the above, just remove the Exodia Mage) -Mana Bind (Sees SOME play in a few secret mages, but other than that its complete trash) -Molten Reflection (Exodia Mage is dead, so is this) PALADIN: -The Last Kaleidosaur (Not even during the first two weeks did anyone see this around) -Adaptation (Same as above) -Lightfused Stegodon (Saw some use, mostly with the Curator, but now no one uses it) -Vinecleaver (No one ever played it) -Primalfin Champion (No one ever played this, not even with the quest) PRIEST: -Awaken the Makers (Sure, it isnt as weak as most believe, but it aint no tier 1 deck either) -Binding Heal (Early use with Lyra, nothing else now) -Radiant elemental (Okay, he got some wrong) -Lyra the Sunshard (Read above) -Shadow Visions (Read Above) -Free from Amber (Read Above, but not as much, since it isnt exactly a staple card in those decks) -Tortollan Shellraiser (Read the Awaken the Makers one) -Crystaline Oracle (Saw SOME play, but sees next to none nowdays) -Mirage Caller (NEVER saw any play, or at least any competetive one) -Curious Glimeroot (It saw some play, but was deemed not strong enough and doesnt see alot nowdays) ROGUE: -The Caverns Below (Yeah, just as he got 50% of Priest wrong, so did he get 50% of Rogue Wrong) -Hallucination (Yh, miracle rogue uses it) -Razorpettal Volley (The Meme value skyrocket) -Razorpettal Lasher (Yep, about 60% of miracle rogues use it, to bad I guess) -Evenom Weapon (Very used, much wow, much memes. Bu for realz, for how good it is in Arena, its trash in standard) -Obsidian Shard (Can you even tell the effect of this card?) -Biteweed (Mine Vancleef is just that, a mini vancleef, never as good as the real one) -Vilespin Slayer (Miracle Rogue uses it.... ALOT) -Sherazin, Corpse Flower (This one is debatable. It saw alot of play for like, 1-2 weeks, but then many started cutting. It's still in the meta, but at this rate, it won't stay for long) SHAMAN: -Air Elemental (Not even Elemental Shaman used it) -Tidal Surge (People just used Jade Lighting) -Fire Plume Harbinger (Saw some play in Elemental Shaman. But people can say what they want, all elemental decks kind of failed. People only took 3-4 weeks to realize it) -Spirit Echo (Fine, Evolve Shaman does use it. ALOT) WARLOCK: -Tar Lurker (There was never a Elemental Warlock and it was never used as a taunt in Renolock/Zoolock. Plain bad and not used) -Feeding Time (I guess a Overpriced Implosion isnt good enough for most decks) -Cruel Dinomancer (Nope, the quest wasn't good enough) -Bloodbloom (So many memes you end up hurting yourself. It saw play in some Zoolocks, and now days it sees no play) WARRIOR: -Fire Plume's Heart (Everyone makes mistakes, I guess) -Ornery Direhorn (Not a necessary card in Taunt Warrior, but not bad either. Its just good enough to see play) -Tar Lord (I personally never even saw one, tho I heard of some Taunt Warriors running it. Gonna say its not worth it, and sees barelly any play, fitting of 1 star) -Molten Blade (Warrior didnt need more weapons) -Cornered Sentry (Taunt Warrior never used it) -Explore Un'Goro (Explore the Memes. Not enough payoff for the combos) -King Mosh (Sees NO play. Anywhere. Nowhere) NEUTRAL: -Emeral Reaver (Bad Leper Gnome, everyone agrees) -Stuborn Gastropod (As normal, the king of the Arena stays in Arena) -Volatile Elemental (Used in elemental decks, but those sure are dead as of now) -Thunder Lizard (Hunter Elemental deck is best deck, right?) -Eggnaper (Like the Corpse Flower, it sees some play in Token Druid, enough to call it a meta card, but barelly) -Pterodax Hatchling (The adapt mechanic was neer really that strong (taking out maybe Volcanosaur)) -Stegodon (Tar Creeper is a way better Anti Agroo card) -Nesting Rock (Gonna say it was actually used in Hunter decks, and it kind of still is) -Sabretooth Stalker (Cause Stealth is very good, right?? RIGHT??) -Stormwatcher (Windfure memes) Sated Threshadon (Was never really tried or played with, bad) -Giant Mastodon (Only sees play when you get it from Free from Amber) -Ultrasaur (But, just look at that smile) -Vicious Fledgling (He was wrong about some) -Stonehill Defender (Above) -Frozen Crusher (NEVER saw any play) Volcanosaur (Sees frequent play in Druid and Hunter, altough not ALOT, just enough to be called a meta card) -Tortollan Primalist (Discovers a Meme. Plays a Meme. Never sees play, like a good Meme.) -The Vorrax (I speak for the Quest Paladins, Not even them want to use this) Spiritsinger Umbra (Sure, Wild is awesome and stuff, but it never saw play in Standard) -Oozruk (All elemental decks failed) How much dust would be used?: 24 520 Dust How much Dust would be wasted in tier trash cards? (Considering Waken the Makers to be trash and all those strech picks to be good): 16 620 (around 68% of your dust would go to total crap, and that's is saying that you would make one only copy for each card. Don't know if it would vary alot or not, but is shouldn't.) I don't love Trump, but I think he is a great youtuber. His reviews tend to be quite good, taking off for some meta offshots (Priest sees no play in Un'goro, or that the Goons would be very powerfull) but all in all he can make great calls (Patches and the whole crew were guessed by him for example)
The Bad Writer you make a very valid point, and I agree with you completely, nice use of evidence to sway my views away from what people in the are mostly saying :)
mattzerofire dinomancer has potential to be bad shit insane, like a frozen core felsteed, the problem is the required set-up for that. just like my deck of infinite value, with rogue in wild, elise 5/5 gang up, return to your hand pandas and rogue cards and shit lot of taunts and draw to survive, then, let the pack opening begin!
Good in theory, but it's not that good in practice. It's difficult to discard a really good minion, and so the likelihood of you getting something good from the card is not that high.
mattzerofire I don't completely agree with you there. The reason dinomancer is bad is because the lack of consistency with the discard mechanic, and if the mechanic that a card is based around is bad then the card itself is also inherently bad. It's like saying primalfin champion wouldn't be a bad card if quest paladin was good. True... but if a card is made redundant because it's sole purpose was to support a deck that turned out bad then it is also going to be worthless
Trump should write a book, "The art of predicting cards". Then we would have two books from TrumpS talking about things that they don't know nothing about
The beginning gave me cancer. Also, to be fair, no one has really TRIED Cruel Dinomancer because Discard Warlock itself SUCKS! The card itself might be great, but the deck it's in is the worst in the meta right now.
I remember day 1 of Un'Goro so much more than I remember day 1 of any expansion. Hell, I remember HOUR 1 of Un'goro so much more than I remember any other expansion. It started with so many hopeful people trying to play a long game meta. Then, a few loose cannon Quest Rogues started showing up and completely assblasting every other deck into oblivion. Very quickly, everyone realized how completely overpowered it was and started doing the same. By the end of that first day, there was only Quest Rogue.
I never understood why the hunter quest would b good. I always thought if you miss one raptor ur just getting a shitty one drop on turn 6+ when you have no cards in your hand because they all costed 1 mana.
How salty is trump to actually say that priest wont see any plays this expansion? Did he get wrecked by silence priest or reno priest over and over again? HAHAHAH
Brandon Wong i know he was being a dumbass but he was looking at the current meta. he should've actually looked at the new cards a little closer but all i'm saying is there was a reason he was saying that.
that's not true... in the gadgetzan meta before un'goro dragon priest was definitely a thing. The issue was most of the dragon priest cards were rotating out so everyone thought that priest wasn't going to be viable because they couldn't think of a decent priest deck to play. People also didn't expect stonehill defender to be good which slowed down the meta helping out priest.
The only problem I have with Trump's predictions is they come with this sense if arrogance. I feel like he builds this image of being a very calm, rational thinker who analyzes every situation and thus usually comes to the right solution, but then he lets his bias cloud his judgment. "Last expansion, Priest was bad, so I'm going to rate every Priest card as unplayable because why would you even want to play a Bad Class?" It's like Blizzard sets out this little trail of discovery to follow ("Ooh, Priest Elemental. Ohh, Shadow Visions! Whoa, Lyra!! Holy shit, look at what happens when you assemble all of these pieces!") and Trump just sees the first step and goes "I refuse to follow this because I'm too smart to be tricked".
Or maybe he couldn't connect the pieces? You got to remember that at the time only two types of decks were being thought up, being Quest Priest and Vanilla Priest. Not a lot of people tend to think outside of this mindset, and as both of those decks ended up not being the best it was fair of him to rate it one star.
By this point IMO I'm pretty sure he's just playing a character and generating views. The meta is hard to predict, but he's been getting it so wrong every expansion; the reverse of his "predictions" are so much more accurate that it can't be all real.
His viewership is gradually realizing this as well about Trump. He used to average 20k viewers back in the day per stream, but now he struggles to get past 8k. Disguised Toast is beating him in terms of audience size and that guy is more about memes than serious Hearthstone. Trump is a great teacher for beginners of the game, I feel, but once you get past that level you realize there's really nothing else you can get out of the guy.
when I saw lyra I was like "well... if you play this aganist a face deck he cant ignore it because it may mean massive healing if he do... aganist control deck it may good combo card... yea not one of best class legs I suppose but better than warlock quest no doubt then I watch trump... I was like "DUUUUDE STOP IT WTF YOU TALKING ABOUT!!! yea priest no doubt not gonna be #1 class to play but did you even see warlock quest? or not sure paladin quest? warlock legendary cant even be enought to make discard powerful and you call this cards bad because they are priest? Well... gj you dumb idiot" he just broke my hearth at that video seriusly
A lot of trump's criticisms are just saying "you have to play" and then listing things like warrior, priest, taunt minions, murlocs. Just saying you have to play stuff that's why it's bad is not a valid reason
That is Trumps way to review cards. He said that every other streamer rates them as a standalone, so if you want to do that, you can just watch the other predictions.
I personally agree with Trumps method, anyone can look at a card and say whether it's objectively a good card or not. The real challenge is predicting how much it will be used in the meta. Take Frost Lich Jaina for example. Anyone can look at that card and say it's amazing, It takes a lot of insight about the game though to predict it wouldn't work out in the meta.
Thougar '1 because priest won't see play' such method he got there Just making claims about the meta which inevitably won't hold up and rating the cards based on them instead of their ACTUAL qualities. That's not a method, it's just random nonsense. I bet trump is just trolling his viewers with his reviews.
I like how people touted Stonehill Defender as a glorified Silverback Patriarch but it ended up becoming a snap addition into pretty much every deck because turns out ‘discovering a taunt minion’ is pretty good.
This is why I NEVER watch card reviews. 1 hour (and sometimes more) long videos about people complaining about the cards most of the time? And sometimes with really pointless arguments? Nah I'd rather spend my time trying to reach rank 19
What's all this Eggnapper talk? I've not played as much as usual since Un'Goro released, but I've been to rank 5, and I don't think I've encountered this card once on ladder baring random minion generation. Unless this is a card that's only meta in very high ranks, I don't see how predicting that it's trash that sees zero play is incorrect. I guess it might see play in Aggro Druid variants that I've not seen? Sure, it's powerful in Arena, but so is basically anything with a decent statline.
Metacosm have you seen his actual card reviews? He gives no deeper thought about cards and just says things like "oh this card is good" he provides no reasoning behind why he thinks a card is good or bad.
I love what Day9 says at the end, super true. But I also think the reason people love to hate on (for example) Trumps predictions isn't because he can be super wrong, he's clearly not alone in that, these predictions are nearly impossible to make accurately after all. I think it's because of the way he phrases most of his predictions. "This is horrible." "This won't see play" and my favorite "I couldn't construct a deck that works with this." It sounds like he's somehow done hundreds of test games with them, which is of course not the case (or even possible) at that point. The only thing he could have conceivably done (that I can think of) would be theorycrafting a deck and pitting it against another theorycrafted deck of his and then decide who would win by gut feeling. I always want to ask how anyone could possibly definitively state there will not be a functioning deck with - for example in this video - Living Mana. How would you know? The card is not out yet, there is no way to see it perform, all you can take are educated guesses. If you were doing Arena-only predictions this might be viable, you have to take a card at face value in Arena, you can't assume you will have synergies in most cases. But constructed is a whole different question altogether. Making these kind of absolute statements about cards just comes of as super arrogant, and Trump is among the worst offenders in that category. If we go back to Day9's statement, this way of making super decisive predictions is taking that "emotional first look" aspect that people love about predictions and dressing it up like a precise science, where the Predictor turns from a person reacting to something to a self-declared expert. And that just feels waaaay to serious and arrogant for a card game like Hearthstone.
The problem with the hearthstone "pros" is that they're so god damn sure of themselves that they sound so god damn arrogant when they give they're ratings of card. If they acknowledged that cards often turn out better in practice than in theory and vice versa it wouldn't be so funny when they were wrong.
Can we just talk about how much Truth Sean said in that video? He is the only person I've seen to ever actually talk about a card review and what it actually is in Hearthstone.
Reminder to those watching in the Boomsday era: some of these are not neccessarily wrong. The meta back then was different; with a faster game, a more oppressive deck style. Stonehill was a 1/4 with value against oppressiveness, being only a stall. Lyra is not really amazing, because of the variance of Priest spells back then. But the value was good. The disco stuff is odd, though. Sherazin was very easy to underestimate because of its stats but the perma-presence is good. Lasher has some justification in the sort that the spell damage was not foreseen. Kibler rating Primordial Drake bad was quite something, though. The card is good enough to clear along with his opinion of Disco. He does see potential in it but eventually came around to giving up due to Disco's randomness. Trump severely underestimated Vilespine but I can see him thinking the destroy one was inefficient. Humongous Razorleaf is still not exceptional, but with the amount of tech you can do to it today, it can work. The Marsh Queen was a good card, although it released at a time where the quest requirements were too slow and the reward was not exactly fascinating. Today, with Rush, Zola, and Keleseth it has become a viable quest. Still not exceptional though. Barnabus even today may not work due to the amount of 5up attack you need. But it can certainly work, with ramp and everything. Also still not fantastic. To be fair as well, credit to Day9, predictions are fun to do. They are also meant to be wrong because that's what card gamers do, prove predictions wrong. Let's all just be merry and have fun.
Patrick Wienhöft thats because they are trying to make the review interesting and enjoyable for audience, but in fact, they blindly saying populistic slogans about every card, so it makes it awkward and brainlessly retarded.
TheCephalon I don't remember which expansion was this, but one time he just scrolled through the entire priest card roster and just said nothing but "priest so 1 star".
What's really funny is when these videos get pushed out at the two week mark of an expansion and then it turns out some ratings like Sherazin, razorpetal lasher, runt and eggnapper which were good cards on day 5 of the meta are horrible cards later in the meta. It's a kind of irony
problem with their predictions is that firstly, RNG cards like lyra cannot be predicted until actual testing Secondly, there's a lot of bias when they predict based on the current meta or the worse class in the current meta. Predictions should be made after analysing what it could do based on the cards in standard rotation and its weaknesses and not just "it's too slow", first of all the meta being slow now does not equates to the meta in the future being slow too. Lastly, while it is true that there are people who watches predictions because it's fun, many of them are also watching because they do not want to spend dust on the wrong cards and would love to see a pro's analysis on the cards because crafting and not have to wait a few months for the meta to settle.
Lyra was obvious to be good, effects that make you not to lose hand advantage are already good, just look at the current yugioh meta, almost every card replacesitself in your hand when you play it and decks that can't do that are shit tier.
When people were evaluating Lyra, or any other card, they were taking into account only the current state of the game and Priest was really bad. I bet people will make the same mistake about Warlock cards next expansion.
I think streamers sometimes judge the cards too separately. Ignoring the posible synergies is the biggest mistake when judging the cards. Yeah Nether Portal is good but can it really be played with discard mechanics? No. Same with Barnabus, Mage quest, Kaleidosaur, Shaman Quest, etc.
CM Nights Tim Neve the big problem with trump is as most other streamers look at the cards individually trump tries to think up how the meta as a whole will change and predict how well the cards will do based off of that. do I think he should look at the cards as their own more? yes but at the same time I like hearing how he thinks up decks and how they will work before the expansion comes out so that's why a lot watch them
Because after his famous series of fails with calling Dr.Boom and later Grim Patron to be both bad we just want to see how much he fails again and again every expansion. Going so far in his arrogance to call Blizzard's internal testing team's work "ludicrous." In fact at this point one might want to stop and think that maybe Trump is actually saying the opposite hat he really thinks just for the sake of retaining viewers by creating all this drama around himself.
ProtonCannon to be fair, a LOT of people called Dr. Boom bad, and he got Patches, which a lot of people didn't get. Still don't think his reviews are the best, and honestly you shouldn't depend on any reviews to determine meta game because they're ALWAYS wrong, like very rarely are they right.
It's almost like all these people don't know shit about the game. I think they all focus too much on mana cost. What the card does is more important than the mana cost overall. Especially in end game.
I think a lot of prediction would have been right if Tunnel Trogg and Totem Golum were not rotated out (and UnGoro is the best expansion at least 70% because of these two card rotated out).
"And I wouldn't anticipate seeing much of Dr. Boom." -Trump 2014 The reason I don't listen to star values, or people saying cards are going to be trash. That one cataclysmic miscalculation makes up for any correct thing anyone could ever say about cards. Do your own theory crafting people.
Seriously Gadgetzan was out at this point right? They saw that raza priest was a possibility right? Shadow Visions would be an auto include simply because it gave an extra copy of something you would usually only have 1 of
As someone who played both Yugioh and MtG extensively and is familiar with the concepts of card advantage, tempo and such, it really hurts to see these streamers, which many may regard as good evaluators and/or players, to be so wrong on so many levels. I believe man of us "normal" players would've made a much better reviewer, as those streamers failed on basic card evaluation principles, like not adding the stats and boosts of minion's effects together. That's not how that works normally...
Of course hearthstone streamers were wrong. They're predictions, not facts. They're supposed to be fun and enjoyable. As if anyone is going to take their ratings seriously on a competitive level.
Hearthstone Video Creator Was Wrong About This Video Eggnapper is garbage. Trump was right about LS being a control tool more than an aggro tool, whether you agree with his rating or not. Humongous Razorleaf isn't really relevant And LOL at you getting upset at daynine calling you out for being an angry nerd that takes video games way too seriously
Zyzarda Eggnapper sees play in Aggro Druid and Razorleaf is a very strong card in Silence Priest which has a really good winrate but which we don't see often cause, like ALL Priest decks, it requires $$$.
I don't feel like he was UPSET at day9 in the end part, it was more of a mocking segment towards the day9 and I actually found funny af, especially the brode's laugh
I honestly never understood why anyone thought the Warlock quest would be good, even before ungoro came out. You have to discard 6 cards, (which, imo, is more difficult than it sounds) when only 3 cards in your deck benefit you for discarding them, and the reward is terrible. It takes 2 turns for the 5 mana to be made up for by the imps, having 2 3/2 imps out every time you end turn just... seems bad. Especially the turn you play it. 5 mana means you can't do much else. And to Trump's point, the card doesn't fit well in Disco, especially since you have to miss turn one to do it.
How ironic it is to see Trump calling Mike Donais "claims" about Lyra "fringe and ludicrous" as he then goes on to say how lakkari sacrifice is such a great card and coming back every expansion saying how its going to work now with cards like Cataclysm.
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You could have just posted Trump's entire review.
He'll do a trump reviews trump reviews at some point.
Dennis vinespine slayer is bad...? Give me a break it's a Assassinate with a body on the field. You see so many rogues playing this cause it's ANOTHER REMOVAL
I never said the card is bad? What are you talking about?
Dennis that nigga is drunk
I was thinking meth Filox.
I want to see a video like this with them getting beaten by the card they underestimated.
There were compilation of people that rated caverns below 1 star and then crying its broken :D
Guferus link to that?
Search amaz vs 1 star quest.
I remember a few days (maybe a week?) after WOTOG came out Trump played a game vs Zoolock where Councilman played a huge role in Trumps defeat. If anyone recalls, Trump had said Darkshire Councilman was a bad card. The best part was that Trump, after the game, admitted he may have underestimated the card. Kappa
Undead Nightorc Or the time he got beat by a demonfuse deck and keep yelling "NOT LIKE THIS, NOT LIKE THIS!"
The Yoda-Trump dialogue is brilliant. So much confidence in such inaccurate predictions haha.
You summed it up perfectly >
Trump: "I learned a lot from my MSOG ratings".
No, you didn't.
Trump hates priest, huh?
priest is a bad class, only good vs mage and trash vs others
Sajad Bagheri priest is like a big elephant 🐘, strong and mighty, but can be beaten by anything that goes below his radar (4dmg, removal, aggressive play, early-mid game...)
Yogg play yogg in priest maybe rng win some games for priest if not dead till turn 10. man priest loses to aggro, loses to control, loses to devolve, loses to tokens, loses to weapons, loses to himself...
LostEmperor this 1 mana 10/10 looks pretty good, but because its priest-1 star
Well, Anduin is mexican.
Lakkari Sacrifice 5 stars, maybe for it's dust value. ^^
+colonalfluffycin why would you ever craft it
globalHell I crafted it after I packed clutch mother and watched Trump's reviews. feelsverybadman
Thats why I've waited almost 3 weeks before I've crafted even a common card.
Robert that's smart but I was too anxious to try decks since I got the Hall of Fame dust boost
Robert is
more like "Trump is awfully wrong about Un'Goro (and some other streamers too)"
RayTheFrenchGuy the other ones aren't even known
Jordan sure they arent
Maybe not to you Jordan but to almost everyone else xD
Many streamers have bad predictions... but trump is just the king of all.
He just never gets it right.
The most funny part is that the cards he understimates are usually the cards that shake the meta xD
Next time i will know what cards i will build around my deck... i'll just check trumps video, pick the 1 star raitings and build decks around it.
Why were they wrong about Eggnapper? Most of them rate the cards based on their Ranked viability, correct?
Roppis Eggnapper is 100% playable in aggro druid.
when was it played in aggro druid i never saw that shit
MystiCalBEING89 More like in arena
In the Un'Goro metagame, it saw quite a lot of success in Token Druid until it got removed in favor of Vicious Fledgling. If you watch Trump Reviews Trump Reviews Un'Goro, he mentions this. This video was actually made around the same time that Aggro Druid lists were being refined.
@MystiCalBEING89: It doesn't see play now because it's two full expansions later.
So it saw experimentation. That's different than seeing play.
Thing is, from the future's perspective, Amaz was a little right on the Mage Quest. Exodia Mage is everywhere in early Frozen Throne.
I think the funny part is trump was absolutely right about HOW many of the cards ended up being used, he named many exact scenarios that made them good, but then thought it wasn't enough or is too much of a "fringe" case and was completely wrong anyway
So Trump was wrong about literally all 9 quests?
and mage
Kaleidosaur isn't that bad, sure it is an easy kill, but 5 adapts can be threatening.
@@thethirdsicily4802 Nahh it was totaly shit, would have loved if it worked tho.
@@Edvinno99 Yeah after a year my mind is 100% changed, it's absolute garbage.
@@thethirdsicily4802 be better if the quest was easier.
They had a habit of judging a card based on the previous meta and were horribly wrong because of it.
honestly i think eggnapper is still bad
Sawyer Melban considering that most of the predictions were focusing on the "seeing play or not seeing play" factor, they were wrong because the card is played on a bunch of druid decks. But yeah, it is not that great
Sawyer Melban eggnaper is bad, it's just okay-fair in arena, but never sees play in constructed
Its only used as a replacement card. I imagine seeing play revolves around actually being in a deck naturally.
Yogg some aggro druids run it
Cubensis what? does that exist? wow... that's like saying aggro priest
for the next expansion i'll watch trump's prediction stream and craft everything trump rates 1. Almost each and every card trump rated 0 or 1 is a good card and the ones rated 5 are shit lol
Agreed. For accurate predictions, Reynad, Kibler and StrifeCro are my boys to go with.
Reynad predictions after release LUL
Tim Neve the big problem with trump is as most other streamers look at the cards individually trump tries to think up how the meta as a whole will change and predict how well the cards will do based off of that. do I think he should look at the cards as their own more? yes but at the same time I like hearing how he thinks up decks and how they will work before the expansion comes out
'Craft everything trump rates 1'
So.... since everyone is bashing on trump, Im just gonna see which ''Amazing'' cards you would craft:
DRUID:
- ''Evolving Spores'' (a amazingly bad card that no one every played)
-Giant Anaconda (Not even the early Druid Quest decks ever ran it)
-Tyrantus (Ok, some ran it for Quest Druid, but that's about it, and now that the meta has calmed down, it sees no play)
HUNTER:
-Dinomancy (The Meme factor was to high for this meta)
MAGE:
-Shimmering Tempest (Sure, saw some play in Elemental Mage and, sometimes, Exodia Mage. But after the meta finnaly stabilized, it sees no play)
-Flame Geyser (Same as the above, just remove the Exodia Mage)
-Mana Bind (Sees SOME play in a few secret mages, but other than that its complete trash)
-Molten Reflection (Exodia Mage is dead, so is this)
PALADIN:
-The Last Kaleidosaur (Not even during the first two weeks did anyone see this around)
-Adaptation (Same as above)
-Lightfused Stegodon (Saw some use, mostly with the Curator, but now no one uses it)
-Vinecleaver (No one ever played it)
-Primalfin Champion (No one ever played this, not even with the quest)
PRIEST:
-Awaken the Makers (Sure, it isnt as weak as most believe, but it aint no tier 1 deck either)
-Binding Heal (Early use with Lyra, nothing else now)
-Radiant elemental (Okay, he got some wrong)
-Lyra the Sunshard (Read above)
-Shadow Visions (Read Above)
-Free from Amber (Read Above, but not as much, since it isnt exactly a staple card in those decks)
-Tortollan Shellraiser (Read the Awaken the Makers one)
-Crystaline Oracle (Saw SOME play, but sees next to none nowdays)
-Mirage Caller (NEVER saw any play, or at least any competetive one)
-Curious Glimeroot (It saw some play, but was deemed not strong enough and doesnt see alot nowdays)
ROGUE:
-The Caverns Below (Yeah, just as he got 50% of Priest wrong, so did he get 50% of Rogue Wrong)
-Hallucination (Yh, miracle rogue uses it)
-Razorpettal Volley (The Meme value skyrocket)
-Razorpettal Lasher (Yep, about 60% of miracle rogues use it, to bad I guess)
-Evenom Weapon (Very used, much wow, much memes. Bu for realz, for how good it is in Arena, its trash in standard)
-Obsidian Shard (Can you even tell the effect of this card?)
-Biteweed (Mine Vancleef is just that, a mini vancleef, never as good as the real one)
-Vilespin Slayer (Miracle Rogue uses it.... ALOT)
-Sherazin, Corpse Flower (This one is debatable. It saw alot of play for like, 1-2 weeks, but then many started cutting. It's still in the meta, but at this rate, it won't stay for long)
SHAMAN:
-Air Elemental (Not even Elemental Shaman used it)
-Tidal Surge (People just used Jade Lighting)
-Fire Plume Harbinger (Saw some play in Elemental Shaman. But people can say what they want, all elemental decks kind of failed. People only took 3-4 weeks to realize it)
-Spirit Echo (Fine, Evolve Shaman does use it. ALOT)
WARLOCK:
-Tar Lurker (There was never a Elemental Warlock and it was never used as a taunt in Renolock/Zoolock. Plain bad and not used)
-Feeding Time (I guess a Overpriced Implosion isnt good enough for most decks)
-Cruel Dinomancer (Nope, the quest wasn't good enough)
-Bloodbloom (So many memes you end up hurting yourself. It saw play in some Zoolocks, and now days it sees no play)
WARRIOR:
-Fire Plume's Heart (Everyone makes mistakes, I guess)
-Ornery Direhorn (Not a necessary card in Taunt Warrior, but not bad either. Its just good enough to see play)
-Tar Lord (I personally never even saw one, tho I heard of some Taunt Warriors running it. Gonna say its not worth it, and sees barelly any play, fitting of 1 star)
-Molten Blade (Warrior didnt need more weapons)
-Cornered Sentry (Taunt Warrior never used it)
-Explore Un'Goro (Explore the Memes. Not enough payoff for the combos)
-King Mosh (Sees NO play. Anywhere. Nowhere)
NEUTRAL:
-Emeral Reaver (Bad Leper Gnome, everyone agrees)
-Stuborn Gastropod (As normal, the king of the Arena stays in Arena)
-Volatile Elemental (Used in elemental decks, but those sure are dead as of now)
-Thunder Lizard (Hunter Elemental deck is best deck, right?)
-Eggnaper (Like the Corpse Flower, it sees some play in Token Druid, enough to call it a meta card, but barelly)
-Pterodax Hatchling (The adapt mechanic was neer really that strong (taking out maybe Volcanosaur))
-Stegodon (Tar Creeper is a way better Anti Agroo card)
-Nesting Rock (Gonna say it was actually used in Hunter decks, and it kind of still is)
-Sabretooth Stalker (Cause Stealth is very good, right?? RIGHT??)
-Stormwatcher (Windfure memes)
Sated Threshadon (Was never really tried or played with, bad)
-Giant Mastodon (Only sees play when you get it from Free from Amber)
-Ultrasaur (But, just look at that smile)
-Vicious Fledgling (He was wrong about some)
-Stonehill Defender (Above)
-Frozen Crusher (NEVER saw any play)
Volcanosaur (Sees frequent play in Druid and Hunter, altough not ALOT, just enough to be called a meta card)
-Tortollan Primalist (Discovers a Meme. Plays a Meme. Never sees play, like a good Meme.)
-The Vorrax (I speak for the Quest Paladins, Not even them want to use this)
Spiritsinger Umbra (Sure, Wild is awesome and stuff, but it never saw play in Standard)
-Oozruk (All elemental decks failed)
How much dust would be used?: 24 520 Dust
How much Dust would be wasted in tier trash cards? (Considering Waken the Makers to be trash and all those strech picks to be good): 16 620 (around 68% of your dust would go to total crap, and that's is saying that you would make one only copy for each card. Don't know if it would vary alot or not, but is shouldn't.)
I don't love Trump, but I think he is a great youtuber. His reviews tend to be quite good, taking off for some meta offshots (Priest sees no play in Un'goro, or that the Goons would be very powerfull) but all in all he can make great calls (Patches and the whole crew were guessed by him for example)
The Bad Writer you make a very valid point, and I agree with you completely, nice use of evidence to sway my views away from what people in the are mostly saying :)
so cruel dinomancer actually is good. its just that discard lock is a terrible deck
mattzerofire dinomancer has potential to be bad shit insane, like a frozen core felsteed, the problem is the required set-up for that. just like my deck of infinite value, with rogue in wild, elise 5/5 gang up, return to your hand pandas and rogue cards and shit lot of taunts and draw to survive, then, let the pack opening begin!
People have ended up not even running it in the discardlock decks at all though. Even the more control versions don't run it.
Most of the time Cairne is better and even he doesn't see play outside of N'Zoth decks.
Good in theory, but it's not that good in practice. It's difficult to discard a really good minion, and so the likelihood of you getting something good from the card is not that high.
mattzerofire I don't completely agree with you there. The reason dinomancer is bad is because the lack of consistency with the discard mechanic, and if the mechanic that a card is based around is bad then the card itself is also inherently bad. It's like saying primalfin champion wouldn't be a bad card if quest paladin was good. True... but if a card is made redundant because it's sole purpose was to support a deck that turned out bad then it is also going to be worthless
Goes to show how hard it is to correctly evaluate cards before they are released. I mean, back then I thought most of those reviews were pretty ok.
Sakamoto San Yeah it is,I just go and watch Noxious that dude never misses.
I can't help laughing when Amaz said the rogue quest is going to be a difficult quest to complete.
Trump should write a book, "The art of predicting cards". Then we would have two books from TrumpS talking about things that they don't know nothing about
Lucas Peruzzi Tuck Frump
Hey guys look a dumbass trying to be smart and writing a comment on two things that he doesn't understand.
Zyzarda ikr lol
Lmao triggered Trumpsters.
What if they just don't like politics?
The beginning gave me cancer.
Also, to be fair, no one has really TRIED Cruel Dinomancer because Discard Warlock itself SUCKS! The card itself might be great, but the deck it's in is the worst in the meta right now.
People have been trying it out and it ended up being. Yeah you know garbage.
It's to hard to control the Rng with the discard to make cruel dinomancer decent. Most of the time it either summons nothing or summons a 2/2 at best.
Are you talking about wild or in standard? In standard warlock is only playbale as a smorq class. In wild, things are to busted for dinomancer.
OUT. OF. MY. JUNGLE!!!
I remember day 1 of Un'Goro so much more than I remember day 1 of any expansion. Hell, I remember HOUR 1 of Un'goro so much more than I remember any other expansion. It started with so many hopeful people trying to play a long game meta. Then, a few loose cannon Quest Rogues started showing up and completely assblasting every other deck into oblivion. Very quickly, everyone realized how completely overpowered it was and started doing the same. By the end of that first day, there was only Quest Rogue.
I sadly got hyped on the hunter quest and wasted 1600 dust on this piece of s... -.-
Maurice040684 me too, then I opened another in a pack lmao
Maurice040684 i drafted the druid quest too..... 3200 dust wasted
Maurice040684 I crafted lakkari sacrifice but don't worry it might get good (it better lol)
I never understood why the hunter quest would b good. I always thought if you miss one raptor ur just getting a shitty one drop on turn 6+ when you have no cards in your hand because they all costed 1 mana.
I did the same thing with the Mage quest and felt equally sad. Warrior quest would at least be a more consistent option.
How salty is trump to actually say that priest wont see any plays this expansion? Did he get wrecked by silence priest or reno priest over and over again? HAHAHAH
Brandon Wong priest isn't even that good
it's because in the expansions before un'goro priest didn't see play and he didn't know that it would become viable
Brandon Wong i know he was being a dumbass but he was looking at the current meta. he should've actually looked at the new cards a little closer but all i'm saying is there was a reason he was saying that.
that's not true... in the gadgetzan meta before un'goro dragon priest was definitely a thing. The issue was most of the dragon priest cards were rotating out so everyone thought that priest wasn't going to be viable because they couldn't think of a decent priest deck to play. People also didn't expect stonehill defender to be good which slowed down the meta helping out priest.
thwak oh yeah i forgot about dragon priest
Did we just watch the whole Trump review of UnGoro? LUL
The only problem I have with Trump's predictions is they come with this sense if arrogance. I feel like he builds this image of being a very calm, rational thinker who analyzes every situation and thus usually comes to the right solution, but then he lets his bias cloud his judgment. "Last expansion, Priest was bad, so I'm going to rate every Priest card as unplayable because why would you even want to play a Bad Class?" It's like Blizzard sets out this little trail of discovery to follow ("Ooh, Priest Elemental. Ohh, Shadow Visions! Whoa, Lyra!! Holy shit, look at what happens when you assemble all of these pieces!") and Trump just sees the first step and goes "I refuse to follow this because I'm too smart to be tricked".
Or maybe he couldn't connect the pieces? You got to remember that at the time only two types of decks were being thought up, being Quest Priest and Vanilla Priest. Not a lot of people tend to think outside of this mindset, and as both of those decks ended up not being the best it was fair of him to rate it one star.
By this point IMO I'm pretty sure he's just playing a character and generating views. The meta is hard to predict, but he's been getting it so wrong every expansion; the reverse of his "predictions" are so much more accurate that it can't be all real.
His viewership is gradually realizing this as well about Trump. He used to average 20k viewers back in the day per stream, but now he struggles to get past 8k. Disguised Toast is beating him in terms of audience size and that guy is more about memes than serious Hearthstone. Trump is a great teacher for beginners of the game, I feel, but once you get past that level you realize there's really nothing else you can get out of the guy.
I don't watch his livestreams, but personally I still really like his youtube videos. I love his calm attitude.
when I saw lyra I was like "well... if you play this aganist a face deck he cant ignore it because it may mean massive healing if he do... aganist control deck it may good combo card... yea not one of best class legs I suppose but better than warlock quest no doubt
then I watch trump... I was like "DUUUUDE STOP IT WTF YOU TALKING ABOUT!!! yea priest no doubt not gonna be #1 class to play but did you even see warlock quest? or not sure paladin quest? warlock legendary cant even be enought to make discard powerful and you call this cards bad because they are priest? Well... gj you dumb idiot"
he just broke my hearth at that video seriusly
Trump: Hey look at all these good priest cards with decent synergy. But they'r bad because priest doesn't have many good cards
...what
A lot of trump's criticisms are just saying "you have to play" and then listing things like warrior, priest, taunt minions, murlocs. Just saying you have to play stuff that's why it's bad is not a valid reason
Are you saying that Eggnaper, Sherazin, Runt are good?
Trumps arrogance is so cringe. Can't stand him.
Benjamin Stevenson so I am not alone in getting irritated by his predictions xD
Did trump call any of them right?
If you throw a cluster of trash at a trashcan, some will go in.
Colin Brown best reply ever seen in my life.
@@colinbrown74 this comment of a comment got more likes than the comment it was commented on. Hmmm
"It's a hard quest to complete"
I once played against a Rogue quest. They completed it on turn 2.
This is why I don't bother watching card predictions anymore. Ever since Dr balanced was misevaluated, I don't believe anyone anymore.
"This is a really good card, but the kind of deck that would run it sucks right now."
That's not how to rate cards.
That is Trumps way to review cards. He said that every other streamer rates them as a standalone, so if you want to do that, you can just watch the other predictions.
I personally agree with Trumps method, anyone can look at a card and say whether it's objectively a good card or not. The real challenge is predicting how much it will be used in the meta.
Take Frost Lich Jaina for example. Anyone can look at that card and say it's amazing, It takes a lot of insight about the game though to predict it wouldn't work out in the meta.
Thougar '1 because priest won't see play'
such method he got there
Just making claims about the meta which inevitably won't hold up and rating the cards based on them instead of their ACTUAL qualities.
That's not a method, it's just random nonsense.
I bet trump is just trolling his viewers with his reviews.
I like how people touted Stonehill Defender as a glorified Silverback Patriarch but it ended up becoming a snap addition into pretty much every deck because turns out ‘discovering a taunt minion’ is pretty good.
This is why I NEVER watch card reviews. 1 hour (and sometimes more) long videos about people complaining about the cards most of the time? And sometimes with really pointless arguments? Nah I'd rather spend my time trying to reach rank 19
What's all this Eggnapper talk? I've not played as much as usual since Un'Goro released, but I've been to rank 5, and I don't think I've encountered this card once on ladder baring random minion generation. Unless this is a card that's only meta in very high ranks, I don't see how predicting that it's trash that sees zero play is incorrect. I guess it might see play in Aggro Druid variants that I've not seen? Sure, it's powerful in Arena, but so is basically anything with a decent statline.
masterplusmargarita Only aggro druid, and not even in all lists. Its very nieche.
3 cards would make Sherazin so op
"This feels like the EASIEST quest to complete BY FAAAAAR"
How is it that Admirable is always wrong about damn near everything.....
Jimmy Lee Ikr he is in all of these compalations.
Jimmy Lee also day9, day9 is a big dummy.
Lord Jenkum I'm guessing you didn't watch the whole video?
Metacosm have you seen his actual card reviews? He gives no deeper thought about cards and just says things like "oh this card is good" he provides no reasoning behind why he thinks a card is good or bad.
Dr. Boom was just a War Golem with some minor upside.
I love what Day9 says at the end, super true. But I also think the reason people love to hate on (for example) Trumps predictions isn't because he can be super wrong, he's clearly not alone in that, these predictions are nearly impossible to make accurately after all. I think it's because of the way he phrases most of his predictions.
"This is horrible." "This won't see play" and my favorite "I couldn't construct a deck that works with this." It sounds like he's somehow done hundreds of test games with them, which is of course not the case (or even possible) at that point. The only thing he could have conceivably done (that I can think of) would be theorycrafting a deck and pitting it against another theorycrafted deck of his and then decide who would win by gut feeling.
I always want to ask how anyone could possibly definitively state there will not be a functioning deck with - for example in this video - Living Mana. How would you know? The card is not out yet, there is no way to see it perform, all you can take are educated guesses.
If you were doing Arena-only predictions this might be viable, you have to take a card at face value in Arena, you can't assume you will have synergies in most cases. But constructed is a whole different question altogether. Making these kind of absolute statements about cards just comes of as super arrogant, and Trump is among the worst offenders in that category.
If we go back to Day9's statement, this way of making super decisive predictions is taking that "emotional first look" aspect that people love about predictions and dressing it up like a precise science, where the Predictor turns from a person reacting to something to a self-declared expert. And that just feels waaaay to serious and arrogant for a card game like Hearthstone.
Seraphim Is Dead well said
He's also just incredibly bad at playing tempo, in a Game almost entirely built around winning and keeping tempo advantage.
How was Amaz ever a hearthstone pro
Rogue Quest: turn 1 mana cards into tier 1 rating
why does every hearthstone video have the same handful of 30sec songs looped for its entire duration
Is one star the best and five stars the best?
The problem with the hearthstone "pros" is that they're so god damn sure of themselves that they sound so god damn arrogant when they give they're ratings of card. If they acknowledged that cards often turn out better in practice than in theory and vice versa it wouldn't be so funny when they were wrong.
"give 1 star to anythin cuz am pro"
Can we just talk about how much Truth Sean said in that video? He is the only person I've seen to ever actually talk about a card review and what it actually is in Hearthstone.
Reminder to those watching in the Boomsday era: some of these are not neccessarily wrong. The meta back then was different; with a faster game, a more oppressive deck style. Stonehill was a 1/4 with value against oppressiveness, being only a stall. Lyra is not really amazing, because of the variance of Priest spells back then. But the value was good. The disco stuff is odd, though. Sherazin was very easy to underestimate because of its stats but the perma-presence is good. Lasher has some justification in the sort that the spell damage was not foreseen. Kibler rating Primordial Drake bad was quite something, though. The card is good enough to clear along with his opinion of Disco. He does see potential in it but eventually came around to giving up due to Disco's randomness. Trump severely underestimated Vilespine but I can see him thinking the destroy one was inefficient. Humongous Razorleaf is still not exceptional, but with the amount of tech you can do to it today, it can work. The Marsh Queen was a good card, although it released at a time where the quest requirements were too slow and the reward was not exactly fascinating. Today, with Rush, Zola, and Keleseth it has become a viable quest. Still not exceptional though. Barnabus even today may not work due to the amount of 5up attack you need. But it can certainly work, with ramp and everything. Also still not fantastic.
To be fair as well, credit to Day9, predictions are fun to do. They are also meant to be wrong because that's what card gamers do, prove predictions wrong. Let's all just be merry and have fun.
"I think I'll rate quest rogue a one star" quest rogue now:"how do you like me now?"
WOW 5 stars to warlock quest. I think amaz days are over from here...
"Stonehill defender"
"1 star"
This made me chukle
Am I the only one getting triggered by Admirable, Sottle and especially Raven every single time?
Patrick Wienhöft thats because they are trying to make the review interesting and enjoyable for audience, but in fact, they blindly saying populistic slogans about every card, so it makes it awkward and brainlessly retarded.
13:53 Words of wisdom, as always from candid Sean
Seriously, how lazy is trump... and how can you see an entire class won't see play after a new expansion comes out and a new standard cycle starts...
TheCephalon I don't remember which expansion was this, but one time he just scrolled through the entire priest card roster and just said nothing but "priest so 1 star".
lmfao y so salty?
@@JanbayHatukay well said
To be fair, priest was crap for a long time. The only way to win was inner fire.
@@sangun123 cope
"Why aren't we playing a music turn one that isn't finley"
1. Finley isn't in standard anymore
2. It's 2 mana
Glad you used "Streamers" and not "Pros" kappa
What's really funny is when these videos get pushed out at the two week mark of an expansion and then it turns out some ratings like Sherazin, razorpetal lasher, runt and eggnapper which were good cards on day 5 of the meta are horrible cards later in the meta. It's a kind of irony
problem with their predictions is that firstly, RNG cards like lyra cannot be predicted until actual testing
Secondly, there's a lot of bias when they predict based on the current meta or the worse class in the current meta. Predictions should be made after analysing what it could do based on the cards in standard rotation and its weaknesses and not just "it's too slow", first of all the meta being slow now does not equates to the meta in the future being slow too.
Lastly, while it is true that there are people who watches predictions because it's fun, many of them are also watching because they do not want to spend dust on the wrong cards and would love to see a pro's analysis on the cards because crafting and not have to wait a few months for the meta to settle.
Lyra was obvious to be good, effects that make you not to lose hand advantage are already good, just look at the current yugioh meta, almost every card replacesitself in your hand when you play it and decks that can't do that are shit tier.
When people were evaluating Lyra, or any other card, they were taking into account only the current state of the game and Priest was really bad. I bet people will make the same mistake about Warlock cards next expansion.
yes but a card thatt's literally a +1 to your hand is never going to be bad, that's like kinder-garden basics tcg.
Lyra just seemed to hard to.pull off and their priest spells.
I think streamers sometimes judge the cards too separately. Ignoring the posible synergies is the biggest mistake when judging the cards. Yeah Nether Portal is good but can it really be played with discard mechanics? No. Same with Barnabus, Mage quest, Kaleidosaur, Shaman Quest, etc.
Open the waygate was incredibly strong tho, why is that in there?
why would anyone care about trumps card reviews?
Because it's great entertainment, duh.
CM Nights Tim Neve the big problem with trump is as most other streamers look at the cards individually trump tries to think up how the meta as a whole will change and predict how well the cards will do based off of that. do I think he should look at the cards as their own more? yes but at the same time I like hearing how he thinks up decks and how they will work before the expansion comes out so that's why a lot watch them
Because after his famous series of fails with calling Dr.Boom and later Grim Patron to be both bad we just want to see how much he fails again and again every expansion. Going so far in his arrogance to call Blizzard's internal testing team's work "ludicrous." In fact at this point one might want to stop and think that maybe Trump is actually saying the opposite hat he really thinks just for the sake of retaining viewers by creating all this drama around himself.
ProtonCannon to be fair, a LOT of people called Dr. Boom bad, and he got Patches, which a lot of people didn't get. Still don't think his reviews are the best, and honestly you shouldn't depend on any reviews to determine meta game because they're ALWAYS wrong, like very rarely are they right.
"Now, I've learnt from my mistakes from last time!" - Trump, and everyone else, not learning from their mistakes from last time
why do you consider them wrong about eggnapper? the card IS trash oO
Berkmea Boldhobson Someone never played against aggro druid
its not even a core card in aggro druid.. it only saw play ebcause like 70% of people net deck and saw a list run it
"1 because it's Lyra the Sunshard" you know how much that needs to die when it gets played?
this vid triggers me a ton
I'm so glad we were smart enough to point out that predictions are wrong. :)
It's almost like all these people don't know shit about the game. I think they all focus too much on mana cost. What the card does is more important than the mana cost overall. Especially in end game.
post your set review when the next set gets spoiled.
"Caverns Below is bad" makes me want to physically vomit. I wish that was true.
I think a lot of prediction would have been right if Tunnel Trogg and Totem Golum were not rotated out (and UnGoro is the best expansion at least 70% because of these two card rotated out).
"And I wouldn't anticipate seeing much of Dr. Boom." -Trump 2014
The reason I don't listen to star values, or people saying cards are going to be trash. That one cataclysmic miscalculation makes up for any correct thing anyone could ever say about cards. Do your own theory crafting people.
Who agrees that Tortollan forager is the one of the most fun cards to have this expansion?
Swapneel Ghosh BEETLEBERRIES
Swapneel Ghosh ummm... no you mean EXPLORE UNGURO
Seriously Gadgetzan was out at this point right? They saw that raza priest was a possibility right? Shadow Visions would be an auto include simply because it gave an extra copy of something you would usually only have 1 of
I still don't get why people watch Amaz at all.
“Priest won’t see play” - Someone who hasn’t experienced un-nerfed Raza the Chained
As someone who played both Yugioh and MtG extensively and is familiar with the concepts of card advantage, tempo and such, it really hurts to see these streamers, which many may regard as good evaluators and/or players, to be so wrong on so many levels. I believe man of us "normal" players would've made a much better reviewer, as those streamers failed on basic card evaluation principles, like not adding the stats and boosts of minion's effects together. That's not how that works normally...
>Playing Hearthstone all day long for a living
>Can't predict almost obvious card developements
Trump may be wrong but at least he's not as cocky as Amaz
I remember never really understanding the excitement for the Hunter Quest. Having to play 7 1 cost always seemed pretty bad to me.
Haha Priest
Where are the people calling volcano bad?
Of course hearthstone streamers were wrong. They're predictions, not facts. They're supposed to be fun and enjoyable. As if anyone is going to take their ratings seriously on a competitive level.
Trump though
I agree, and laughing at them when they're wrong is part of that fun and enjoyment!
StrifeCro is right uncannily often. He's one of the only streamers to give Dr. Boom and Mysterious Challenger the rating they deserved for example
8:45
The quest was good?
Hearthstone Video Creator Was Wrong About This Video
Eggnapper is garbage.
Trump was right about LS being a control tool more than an aggro tool, whether you agree with his rating or not.
Humongous Razorleaf isn't really relevant
And LOL at you getting upset at daynine calling you out for being an angry nerd that takes video games way too seriously
Zyzarda my nigga speaking the truth.
Zyzarda Eggnapper sees play in Aggro Druid and Razorleaf is a very strong card in Silence Priest which has a really good winrate but which we don't see often cause, like ALL Priest decks, it requires $$$.
Zyzarda Was Wrong About The Video Creator Being Salty
It was a joke LOL
I don't feel like he was UPSET at day9 in the end part, it was more of a mocking segment towards the day9 and I actually found funny af, especially the brode's laugh
Zyzarda fanboy first off. second, you are only right about eggnapper.
Wasn't Quest Mage super popular and used a lot in the Un'goro meta? How was those predictions wrong?
I honestly never understood why anyone thought the Warlock quest would be good, even before ungoro came out. You have to discard 6 cards, (which, imo, is more difficult than it sounds) when only 3 cards in your deck benefit you for discarding them, and the reward is terrible. It takes 2 turns for the 5 mana to be made up for by the imps, having 2 3/2 imps out every time you end turn just... seems bad. Especially the turn you play it. 5 mana means you can't do much else. And to Trump's point, the card doesn't fit well in Disco, especially since you have to miss turn one to do it.
I don't think I have ever seen trump this wrong until un' goro
I love how most of them (especially trump) thought they knew exactly how Un'Goro was going to turn out.
Ay I'm back
It really get on my nerves that Trump have never EVER said a single card outcome correct and yet he still acts high and mighty... What a jerk....
How ironic it is to see Trump calling Mike Donais "claims" about Lyra "fringe and ludicrous" as he then goes on to say how lakkari sacrifice is such a great card and coming back every expansion saying how its going to work now with cards like Cataclysm.
“Super difficult quest to complete”
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Lyra is the card that allowed miracle priest to rise.
Day9 at the end really nails it right on the head lmao
Remeber when Lifecoach said marsh queen was broken then proceeded to quit the game.
why is humongous razorleaf on here. its just as bad as everyone thought it would be.
Streamers : The Caverns Below is one star
Me : BIIIIIIG MISTAAKE!!
Wow this is the first time ive seen Cruel Dinomancer. Like i watched all the card reveals and such but somehow i missed that card completely.
Still have no idea how Rogue Quest was so underestimated.
why were they wrong about Eggnapper? I've only seen that card played a few times, and wow has it been useless
for the Adapt mechanism I think the pros totally under valued it and that's an understatement
ok but the thing with trump is when he says most accurate he means the best way to see if you failed or succeeded