David Lloyd George: A biography
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- Опубліковано 1 жов 2024
- This film examines the life and times of one of Britain's most notable prime ministers of the last century. David Lloyd George was loved by millions but also distrusted by the political establishment as a maverick (not unlike his contemporary and later successor, Winston Churchill). The film will be ideal material for students of the period and the great political architects of the age. See also 'Lloyd George's War', available on this channel. Uploaded for educational purposes only. Comments are welcome if they engage with the topic.
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The BBC used to be so cool in the 2000s! Such a mysterious and understated minimal style. Like discovering some educational artifact.
That was the bbcs original being able to make make good content on low budgets like doctor who now the video quality may have gone up but the writing quality has gone down
I wish someone would make one of these on McMillan, Home, and Eden, whilst there are still some who remember them!
If you want one about Anthony Eden “the other side of the Suez” is a good one
Huw Edwards cheery account of Lloyd George does hide the fact as far the Irish were concerned that Lloyd George was a crafty and duplicitous politican. He effectively bullied the Sinn Finn delegation into signing the peace treaty, through threats of an all out assault on Ireland. Lloyd George in the words of Diarmud Ferriter was always speaking out of both sides of his mouth to both James Craig and Michael Collins.
Lloyd George's duplicitous behaviour was also apparent when he persuaded Greece to invade Turkey in 1922, which resulted in the massacre at Smyrna when Kamal Ataturk crushed the Greek invaders.
Great video about a PM who was undoubtably one of the best and influential people in British politics. He helped to shape the country and way of thinking we have today! Respect Lloyd George.
This documentary goes some way to establishing fairness to Lloyd George's reputation. A very good programme.
Another excellent BBC documentary. Lloyd George's place in the consciousness of the British public probably suffers as a result of the greatest part of his career occurring prior to the innovation of film recorded sound and rudimental gramophone recording techniques. There are very few examples of him speaking in public and certainly no such record of him at the height of his powers. He was a flawed character but then so was Churchill, like LG a very controversial figure. There is a wealth of film documenting Churchill's war years and those iconic speeches. Churchill also lived on until 1965 and remains as a figure who was present in the lives of many citizens still living today. Also important to remember that the Second World War dominated the 2nd half of the 20th Century, relegating much of what had happened in the 1st half of the century- including the Great War- to a supporting secondary place in national consciousness.
+knockshinnoch1950 Excellent analysis, thank you.
Many historical figures didn't have the benefits that Churchill had. For example, people remember the speeches of Abraham Lincoln, yet they only survive in print. The predominant reason for Lloyd George's relative obscurity in the public consciousness is due to the fact that WWI has been massively overshadowed by WWII in the minds of the general public.
Moutton Noir
It should also be noted that Churchill was a noted author.... and speaker. So there was much more material for the historians to analyze.
Still, I am amazed as I learn about these great men;
Lloyd George, Wilson, Roosevelt, and Churchill.
They all displayed levels of Will, Strength, Courage, and Character that is far above anything that our generations can ever imagine. These men not only attempted but they succeeded in guiding us out of the the darkest evil that humanity has ever known. The great challenges humanity faced, came suddenly and without any instructions!”
I am 66 years old and my greatest accomplishment is that I was able to quit smoking!!! (besides having a
great wife, 2 wonderful, educated daughters and 3 fun grandkids)
We are all very blessed that these men took up the challenges and, with sheer determination, led us toward a greater civilization. !!
@@tmryan4759 Assuming you’re speaking here of Woodrow Wilson, rather than Harold, his character was something of a mixed bag at best. His superciliousness kept the US out of the League of Nations and guaranteed its eventual failure, and his position on civil rights for blacks was backward and cruel for 1920, let alone 2020.
The presenter of this doc really really really likes Lloyd George.
Jack Slater because he was Welsh!!
He's a well-known Welsh BBC news anchor.
Yes....and with good cause!
@@churchviewwishart8873 Do the Irish remember him quite so fondly?
@@aclark903 ..... l understand your question....and as someone from Ireland lam not sure those from either the North or the South would look favourably on Lloyd George’s contribution to the division of Ireland.... perhaps it was a short term solution for him..... l have great respect for him because he introduced the National Insurance which was a great boon to the elderly and the infirm....and also despite being a pacifist, once Britain was at war he was an instrument for good in bringing Britain through it successfully .....l also admire him because from being a child left fatherless at a young age, educated at a village school and cared for and mentored by his uncle Lloyd a village cobbler, he rose to be prime minister .... no small achievement ....having said all this l am not a historian...just a fan of Mr Lloyd George.
An excellent biography. Very informative and enjoyable
I believe the narrator as minor as it may be quoted the death of Sir Winston Churchill death as of 1966 correct year was 1965.
Being from Wales and living in China i found this documentary very enlightening. One can only imagine the lives he both helped and also the people who were hurt by his lifestyle and choices.
David Llord George was one of the very few politicians who was genuinely interested in improving the lot of
the working poor and reducing the ability of the Tory land owning toffs in the HOL to derail bills intended to help the working class. In his time as Chancellor of the E he proposed a radical bill which could mean for the first time working people
would have a pension when they got old, would have access to healthcare and a safety net if they became ill
and unable to work.
John Brown Good post. Thanks, John.
Alan Brown Thanks, it was a bit hard to try and even summarize a fraction of what he did in his
long lifetime in politics but despite his reputation as a bit of a cad and the scandal surrounding
favours (which modern politicians seem to take for granted as being rewards for their favourites) I
think that overall he was a good politician who genuinely did a lot to help the working class.
@@JohnBrown-pp7sl well said!
Nonsense
If Gladstone was remembered by the Liberals like how the Tories remember Disraeli
Our second greatest liberal prime minister after Gladstone
I personally look at LG this way:
- His achievements before he became PM were monumental in terms of looking after the average person
- He did win the war
- Unfortunately, he split the Liberal party to do it. This is why he relied on the Tories after the war. The Liberals simply didn't trust them
His legacy unfortunately includes the death of the Liberal Party - or central politics and an opening to only right-wing tories and left-wing labour
That, and the lack of charismatic leaders of the sort like Lloyd George lead to the Liberals being reduced to the status of a minor party. Too bad that when they entered into the Conservative-Liberal Democratic coalition in 2010, they didn't become powerful enough to reestablish themselves as a major political force in Britain, nor did they have the leadership to do it. They need better leadership(meaning better party leaders) and a reconfigured political ideology that is cohesive and coherent, as well as reflective to the political and social realities of the moment.
@@dariowiter3078 l really wish they would seize the opportunity that is afforded at the moment....in my opinion the Tories are doing a better job for Labour than Labour could do for themselves....we have no opposition!
The answer is not 'strong' 2 party politics but MMP. Appoint commission this year, research it, do it - gives real alternatives, realistic compromises, less cynicism re politicians (only 22 % trust them, less than 60 % vote?! Joke!)
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A cracking documentary I can never understand why he's not spoken of in same awe as Winston Churchill who called him the wizard to his apprentice probably because he comes from a lower class than most politicians and political writers I'm pleased the presenter tries to put him back at the top of our historical giants
Mustafa Kemal Atatürk know??? Mustafa kemal pasha borned.Lloyd george died.Year:1922 turkish-greece war.Big leader Mustafa Kemal Pasha.
They threw away the very institution of monarchy in 1919! Hohenzollerns, Ottomans, Habsburgs, Romanovs were the ones who lost most terribly in 1919
Very good PM I'd say better than Churchill
Good documentary, however I feel it is spoilt by the slight bias in favour of Lloyd George shown by the narrator, and thus it failed to mention events, such as the Chanak affair, which also led to the downfall of Lloyd George.
Agree... missing the 'warts n all'
He really shook the establishment up !!! and he was a fallible human being, like us all.
I'm one of many great grand daughter's of David Lloyd George. My great grand mother had an affair with him and fell pregnant out of wedlock, during his many extra marital affairs.
Politics, law, economics and social science talents run through bloodlines in my family since his lineage, including myself being an Political Science and Psychological economics academic researcher.
If my great grand-father could see the mess of politics and economics 2019 in Great Britain and the Globalist and flexible Labour Markets creating corporatist precarity, with falling wages and less access to welfare and services among today's old working class and precariat underclass below them he would change his mind about being a liberal socialist. Granted that the global and flexible slave labour markets today are born out of the socialist democrats and neo-liberal types of my great grand father's style of economics. His Keynesian and socialist style economics, much like Jeremy Corbyn of today simply wouldn't work up against these global corporatists. Only balanced Capitalist free markets, with small government and less government interference and regulations can save the UK of today with or without a Brexit. Unfortunately, we are on a trajectory much like Venezuela.
It's very interesting reading comments about my great grand father.
The war in Ireland from about 1919 to 1921 wasn't a civil war - it was a war to overthrow centuries of violent and oppressive British rule. Lloyd George should have more had more understanding of the Irish people as the narrator tells us he himself grew up in the village with a minority of impoverished and oppressed Welsh people and a small minority of wealthy ruling English people.
The 'Black and Tans' were a military force of men recruited mostly from jails (criminals and ex-criminals) which was deliberately raised and sent to terrorise the people of Southern Ireland (regularly burning houses, villages and even towns). In this Lloyd George was very unfortunately acting completely in the interests of the English aristocracy and upper classes and totally against people who were very similar to his own.
It's quite sad that this documentary will no longer be used to educate future generations about DLLG because of the actions of the presenter.
This wasn't just a Welsh experience. It sounds like he's describing Cumbria and probably most of the uk other than southern England at the time.
As a distant cousin of his, I am pleased that more of a justice has been done on DLG's behalf. Much mud-slinging toward his handling of Irish policy and his long affair with his secretary. Instead, this focuses better on his achievements on behalf of those less fortunate. Diolch yn fawr.
What an honour to be a relative of Lloyd George.... l like you, find it upsetting that he seems to be remembered only for his philandering ( which l question) he was a wonderful statesman and we, as a British nation owe him so much.
Good documentary since Lloyd George doesn't exactly have many current biographies floating around. That said, little disappointed WW1 and Versaille are kinda rushed through and the narrator's clear bias about certain topics kinda irritating
More recent one is by Roy Hattersley.
Dale Coleman it was recent ones he was going on about the ones I've read were both old
HAM 0064, has he done one I've read most of his not seen a Lloyd George one though,
HAM sorry I was getting my Roy's. Mixed up its Jenkins whose books I've been reading ill look out for that one cheers
Excellent doc except near the end. Churchill died in 1965. I hate it when that happens as you start to doubt everything else even though it’s quite minor.
Justice for Lloyd George!
this man once ruled the biggest empire the earth had ever seen
All of England LOVES the BBC because it continually produces the finest documentaries. England says in unison : "BBC is the BEST"!
I did my undergraduate dissertation on Lloyd George, incredible man who truly was a man of the people
Is it available for the public?
The dissertation probably is not. Honestly, the man would have been so much greater if he had not been such a @#£% in marriage (I know many political men have fell to this vice but honestly it really crosses a line for me.). Furthermore his Irish policy seems so out of character for the man, it was overly brutal. His Budget that one time was good so we should not discount his monumental achievements (Ironically Britain was decades behind Germany, Switzerland and even Austria-Hungary. ).
@@MiguelRomero-zd3nb yes it is! On the Academia website! I can find the link if you're still interested!
@@LexTheSteeler i would appreciate it.
Impeccable sources ! : 38th president of the us of a , Gerald Ford hit his head and fell down at every door frame when visiting Lloyd George's birthplace home . Since this was an everyday occurrence for Ford , He was unfazed .
The House of Lords is like the estates general of the ancien regime
It was until the last major reform in the 90s, now its a croney box for the big parties to stock up and rubber stamp legislation. It isn't anything other than a rubber stamp passing things as adequate for task despite failings.
@G M The House of Lords needs to abolish life peers sitting in the chamber and bring back all hereditary peers including this time Irish Peers. Take away the role of the Prime Minister or government from making new peers only allow the King personally to make new hereditary peers except for Speaker former PMs and leaders of the opposition from having automatic opportunities to be elevated.
David Lloyd George / Ex UK Prime Minister / 1937
"There is for the first time since the war a general sense of security. The people are more cheerful. There is a greater sense of general gaiety of spirit throughout the land. .....One man has accomplished this miracle. He is a born leader of men. A magnetic, dynamic personality with a single-minded purpose, a resolute will and a dauntless heart.
He is also securing them against that constant dread of starvation, which is one of the poignant memories of the last years of the War and the first years of the Peace. Over 700,000 died of sheer hunger in those dark years.
The fact that Hitler has rescued his country from the fear of a repetition of that period of despair, penury and humiliation has given him unchallenged authority in modern Germany.
As to his popularity, especially among the youth of Germany, there can be no manner of doubt. The old trust him; the young idolise him. It is not the admiration accorded to a popular Leader. It is the worship of a national hero who has saved his country from utter despondency and degradation.
If you are interested in learning more about Lloyd George's career, check out this article at The History Room: historyroom.org/2018/12/01/the-british-general-election-of-1918/
I 🖤 BBC! A GOOD DOCUMENTARY ON SOMEONE IN HISTORY THAT DESERVED IT. 🏅
Oh dear, poor old sod lost his marbles after such a marvelous career. You really need to know when time has passed you by, God bless him and keep him
Excellent documentary, thanks for posting.
Didn't know Margaret MacMillan was LG's great great grandaughter. She writes well on the period.
Bit of a cheek for the vermin in ermine Lord Kinnock to be criticising Lloyd George's betrayal of the miners by dismissing the recommendations of the Sankey report. He sold them down the river during the 1984-85 Strike and was hand in glove with Robert Maxwell's scribblers attempt at a character assassination of Arthur Scargill around 1990, gleefully giving them a press award for reporting that turned out to be as false as Maxwell's accounting (see Seamus Milne's book "The Enemy Within" for the full story and much more regarding the miners strike).
I first heard his name used
as a joke in Hard Days Night, on Paul's Grand-dad.
great documentary. much of the information was new to me.
mjr
tokyo
I have to watch these more than once,,,, Thank You again for sharing these Video's
+SGTDuckButter Thank you! I'm glad you enjoy them! Regards - Alan.
" more than once " ! good god man ! are you that thick ?
William Butler No SGTDuckbutter is not thick but you are rude!
Thank you for sharing this. I learned a lot.
Greatest prime minister such a joke he is more in the Bojob rank and file
Far too much glorifying of Lloyd George, (by BBC 4), along with a dismissive bias of his many faults.
Too bad the narrator got a Churchill fact wrong...he died in 1965, not 1966.
You're right, Will. That should have been spotted at the editing stage.
January 24th 1965
Spot on Will, I was a very young teenager and I remember it well.
He had trouser problems so therefore he was a creep. Why do all these people have trouser problems ? It's because they think they are special and they are special they are specially Immoral and wicked
Tony Benn sounds so authoritative!
David Lloyd George was truly a great man & should be held in the same regard as Winston Churchill.
Celtic charmer! and effective politician!!
Rose tinted glasses ?.
this is one of my favourite DLG docs.
Mr. Brown, thank you for your excellent uploads. The programs are very interesting and well done.
therealniksongs Thank you very much; I'm glad that you enjoy them.
Yes thank you, all the uploads I have watched so far have been very enjoyable and informative.
Really outstanding biography...
The only prime minister born in Wales? Australia's Julia Gillard
He was born in Manchester. When his father died he moved back to Wales with his Welsh mother I think
More's.the pity. Thanks for nothing Wales!
A decent documentary on the whole. Well presented. Sir Winston died in 1965.
I want to share this story, how do i do that? David Lloyd George is a big Hero, yes he made stupid mistakes, but is the main course of life changing decissions
Hopefully Idris Elba will play Lloyd George in a proper biopic.
😂🤣😂
Honestly far better than any Englishman
@sydmccreath4554 clearly 🤔
Totally biased, everything begins from the point that Llyod George was great and everything he did was great and there is no real discussion or critique of his policies.
No to vaccine passports, mandates or lockdowns.
And today politicians are shredding the welfare state - shame on them!
You can’t promise what you can’t pay for.
A great and fair tribute.
Very informative and concise
32:00 William Pitt the Younger was simoutaneasly Prime Minister and Chancellor........for 17 years.
Not a prime minister in the way we think of one
Mr. Bad Timing. He tried to sell HOLords seats for 50,000 lbs a pop, several years after he stripped the Upper House of all real power. Dumb.
+Bill Smith No he did not . He was cleared of that. Read your history books.
Yeah but he did do it the famous line of how much more do u want when one buyer pulled his checkbook out goes.down in history I think he's.great one of our top.three premiers ever only the under estimation of Baldwin and asquiths refusal to be anything but prime minister stopped him been premier again I reckon
good work
You cannot understand LG or this period in politics without understanding the great land reform movement and the influence of Henry George and land value taxation.
I am 75 yrs.my mother was welsh my father English. Paternal grandfather an oxford don of English liturature at christ Church oxford. Politics were part of my life at a very Young age And i can assure you Lloyd George,was always spoken of with respect in regard of the social achievements he put in place; The summary is excellent. No one is infallable Clemenceau and Winston shared ,many of the same human failings. And were equally great Politicians.
Thank you very much for those thoughts. I look at politicians today and think, 'Where have all the statesmen gone?' By that, I mean I see many men and women who wish to enrich themselves and jump ship at the slightest threat of adversity, but I do not see people who fight for what is right anymore. As James Clarke said, "a politician thinks of the next election, a statesman thinks of the next generation.'
@@oasis6767what a great quote. ‘A politician thinks of the next election , a statesman thinks of the next generation’… it is now 2023….there are very few statesman left in Parliament…it is a cause of great disappointment to me!
Very interesting 🤔
Churchill died at the beginning of nineteen sixty FIVE - not in '66.
Perish in the deepest pit of hell Lloyd-George, never forget your failure against the Turks.
The documentary misses another great achievement, that goes back to his boyhood chapel Sunday school. The war came alive for him when Britain took the Holy Land. He said that at last he heard names that he recognised. He was determined to keep the Mandate from the French. And when Britain were expelled, Israel came into being.
Not sure that promoting the colonisation of another people's land by a bunch of extremist European nationalists is much of an achievement.
@@simonw1313 Well said.
Too many adds unwatchable 3 at the start and 2 more after 5 minutes I just stopped watching...
Oh dear. To do such a champion job of producing this great documentary - and then to get the year of Winston Churchill's death wrong. How is that even possible? Churchill died Jan 24, 1965 not 1966. Otherwise, fine work.... I think.
What would Lloyd george make as prif weinidog of Cymru
Worthless politician who once visited the Fuehrer and received a likeness he treasured.
Great documentary
The orginal "DODGY DAVE".
Keynes economic policies didn't work out all that well in the U.S. during the Great Depression.
Unemployment remained very high and federal debt grew to the point it even concerned
Democrats (almost like Josef Stalin worrying maybe there was too much Communism).
The essential problem was too much policy working at cross purposes, not that there
was too little government spending.
Rufus Isaacs with David Llord George,Sir George Grey,Reginald McKenna,Henry John Temple,Charles Wood,George Grenville, Henry Pelham, Edward Cardwell,J. E. B. Seely, Robert Crewe-Milnes,Robert Wynn Carrington,Victor Bruce,Robert Reid,Robert Rolfe, Richard Bethell,Charles Pepys,Henry Brougham,Charles Pratt,Granville Leveson-Gower, Henry Pelham-Clinton, Lord William Bentinck, George Eden,Thomas Baring,Frederick Hamilton-Temple-Blackwood, Freeman Freeman-Thomas,Sir James Graham,Edward Marjoribanks,John Jervis, William Pitt The Elder,Richard Howe,Thomas Milner Gibson, Henry Labouchere, Charles Poulett Thomson are most of the liberals/whigs I wish had joined the tory/conservative and I think would have if it wasn't for few issues
At least Keynes hated him, so I guess he is not ALL bad.
This video has it BACKWARDS: it suggests that Lloyd George’s founding of the welfare state was his greatest achievement (the presenter agrees with Neil Kinnock, et al., that Lloyd George’s only flaw here was that he was not socialist enough, but at least he was more socialist than Tony Blair) and suggests that his role at Versailles and in settling the Irish question were his biggest failings-it’s as if the presenter has been asleep the last half century and not seen the folly of socialism and as if he is unaware that Lloyd George, more than Woodrow Wilson, tried to prevent humiliating the Germans at Versailles. Likewise, this video wrongly suggests that Lloyd George’s pervasive financial corruption, not his persistent unfaithfulness to his wife nor his embrace of Hitler and push for disarmament on the eve of WW II, were his biggest failings outside of office.
The rise of industrial labour workers as opposed to menial or farm working class workers and the shift of business and industrial interests away from the Liberals who traditionally represented them to the Conservatives, who previously represented traditional landed wealth, the Anglican Church, and imperial power, and the expulsion of socialist trade union candidates from the Liberal Party, all led to the eventual demise of the Liberal Party. Remember the Liberal Party espoused a classical Liberal economic philosophy of free trade. Conservatives supported protectionism. All of these demographic shifts were larger than anything Lloyd George had or could have done. The war merely postponed the inevitable. The question of Irish Home Rule first arose under Gladstone and led to the initial split between mainline Liberals and the anti-Home Rule Liberal Unionists who joined with the Tories. The Liberal Unionists were mockingly referred to by Oscar Wilde as indistinguishable from Tories. Lloyd George himself represented a shift from classical liberal economic policy towards the nascent welfare state. In 1931, Lloyd George further split the Liberal Party with the creation of his Independent Liberals and which further splintered Liberalism with the National Liberal Party, whose members opposed Keynesian economics. The National Liberals eventually merged with the Conservatives.
All that said, Lloyd George’s ego allowed him to believe he could manage all these countervailing social and economic movements and remain in power himself. Like all great and able men who overcome great odds, his vanity clouded his judgment and he didn’t know when to leave the stage.
1:24:32 Churchill died in 1965 NOT 1966
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David Lloyd George.
Wasn't he a lawyer?
Didn't he know the meaning of void ab initio for...ahem..."stuff signed under duress"?
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Void_(law)
Ah, I see. He was a politician....
Keir Hardy was the first working class politician
gogledd cymru..true wales
The states, americas, or south americas, get it.straight who's you.are so ondivi... not confused whats you.chatter, about.
He failed to solve the Irish question it still dominates British politics since 1886.
So it was all his fault as he has been in power throughout all time since then
Wasnt he the guy who told winston churchill he was being paranoid of nazi germany building a military in violation of the treaty of Versailles?
In Ireland he is considered a war criminal.
Lol ireland used to take slaves from where he's from
@@teiloturner2760 St. Patrick yes, with the distance of a 1000 years or so. But Loyd George unleashed the infamous black and tans in Ireland.
@@kevinmccarthy4794 idc irish people are rich as f compared to us so stfu
Campbell-Bannerman also got a lot of heat for his stance on the Second Boer War
He hated the Ottoman Turks.
thank u for the info for my report
Shaylynn Pett You're welcome, Shaylynn. Good luck with the work.
Ha, ha 'unmatched as a social reformer', Clem Attlee says hello. What a fanboy this guy is.
Regretfully (1) he played the key-role in Versailles treaty signing that planted the seeds of the next world war and (2) he did not share W/Churchill's calls to "crush Bolshevism in its cradle", erroneously seeing no great difference between old Russian counter-revolutionary White Army generals and Communists. (3) And he was too busy dividing Syria and Trans-Jordan between UK and France, while derogatorily saying about the Arabian Peninsula: "Who needs those thousands of square miles of desert sand?" Despite the fact that British Navy during the War was already shifting from steam engines to diesels thanks to Navy Minister W.Churchill's efforts. And that required oil!
He has the eyes 👀 of Jeremy Corbyn, or should i say Jeremy Corbyn has Lord George's eyes.
Really good doc, but I do kinda wish they went more into the fall of the Liberal Party