Long live David Lloyd George, it’s a real shame many people in this country haven’t heard of him, he was just as great as Churchill, but doesn’t get the recognition he deserves
@hawkeize did you know that other countries than usa access youtube or do you beleive that there is only one country in the world that matters, yours ? americans really are extremely ignorant aren't they ? another word is 'thick'
My mother was a war bride from Wales. She said her grandfather, a minister, was friends with DLG. Bevan was the last name. I am doubly happy to find this video. First, I know if your name is on it, I am going to enjoy learning what you are presenting. Second, you can learn alot about the company people keep. Now I am going to watch.
Very Good - would like to have seen some reference to his central role in the establishment of the Irish Free State - the notorious Treaty of 1921 which split Ireland in two.
Being brought up in Caernarfon it’s surprising how little I knew about a man whose statue is in the square of the town, next to a huge castle built in 1283.
@@WORLD8NSH5KNIGHT1 Oh Great Wise One! Thine wisdom leaveth me in awe. To give an opinion on someone you know nothing about leaves me in wonder at your level/depths of perception. Centrist tongue licker of Snow's Libturd arse is what you are. That's not a shot in the dark. You obviously support this completely unoriginal "historian" who has a penchant for pretending he's some kind of Action Man. Strip away his money and privilege and he'd piss the sheets. Snow's a silverspoon who's never worked a day in hi life.
Very good and balanced documentary. I can think of at least 5-6 films about Churchill Not a single biopic on Lloyd George There was the TV series in the 80s and a brief role in 'Suffragette' (2015) which in my view barely captured his character- that is all I can think of David Lloyd George was an extraordinary man and really deserves more cultural recognition
To the Irish Lloyd George will forever be seen as a crafty, slippery and duplicitous politican. He effectively bullied the Sinn Finn delegation during the treaty negotiations with threats of an all out assault on Ireland. He had nothing but contempt for the likes of Arthur Griffith and Michael Collins. As the historian Diarmud Ferriter said Lloyd George was always speaking out of two sides of his mouth to both nationalists and unionists alike. His equally duplicitous role in the Greece invasion of Turkey in 1922 and the massacre at Smyrna when the Turks counterattacked should not be forgotren.
Enjoyed. What a treat to have a descendent as narrator Well done Many great men have weaknesses, if you read any history. It's the accomplishments, that further civilization, never the less. Look at Pres Kennedy, just one more example. Pres. having children out of wedlock, mistresses, all kinds of scandals, yet, many great accomplishments.
During the Anglo irish treaty negotiations in 1921(which partitioned the country etc), David Lloyd George and his delegates ended up threatening ireland with all out war if the Irish delegates didn't sign. It will always be a mystery to us Irish, was he bluffing? Perhaps he would have resigned instead of a full out war with ireland?
Before the First World War there were hundreds of Liberal MPs who could have held high office. How was it that LG got fast-tracked into the Cabinet? Who were the talent-scouts? Who were his enablers? The same questions might also be asked about Churchill. How did these two young men come to climb the greasy pole so quickly?
0:35 this is the same place where the opening scene of Assassins creed unity is set when ur playing as little Arno. Pretty cool to see what it looks like in real life.
They are, to British standards. This “green and pleasant land” has nothing on the scale of the Rockies or the Grand Canyon, but is.breathtaking all the same.
George was Churchill mentor and friend but a working class Welshman has almost been painted out of history by the right-wing press who make Churchill out, to be the only great leader and he wasn't even that popular in his own time is more now in death than he ever was alive and the reverse is true for Lloyd George
Of course he was flawed, but so was Churchill, but without doubt he was a great man, and imho stands alongside Gladstone, Disraeli, Atlee, Churchill and Asquith as the greatest prime minister’s of the last 200 years
He was corrupt, however unlike most MPs he had no inherited wealth to fund his political office, this was before they had state funding. Left out was how in 1919 he tried to get the Kaiser extradited to London, sent up the Thames like something from Tudor times for a public execution. The King had to constitutionally pull rank on him and Churchill too strongly objected. In the end the Netherlands refused to extradite to Kaiser anyway.
I Saw the Television Program about David Lloyd George:::OK he was a Womaniser but he was also a great Polatishion who I think Cared for the General Public and for this County and he helped get the Suffragettes the vote in 1918 and in 1928
What was that old song: " My father knew Lloyd George; Lloyd knee my father". ?... From what I had heard about the old goat, most men might have been justified in saying "Lloyd George WAS my father..." Silly joke...couldn't resist it...
Had he assassinated Hitler...... History would think of him on a different perspective.... But he didn't....he had dinner with him...in 36...? I did his reputation some harm...
I really can't believe your Aunt thinks that the Versailles treaty was fair to germany. The unconditional treaty with Germany prostrate before the world, when the western nations could have done as the USSR and basically raped East Germany figuratively and literally, and stripped it or absolutely everything of any value they could find, kept huge numbers of German prisoners and even went many regular civilian east Germans into slavery all throughout the USSR but mainly sibera. There most were worked to death and never returned, the lucky ones trickled back four five six years later...Finally insult to injury Stalin demanded crippling reparations charging Germany with all damage caused by the war. The western nations did exactly oppisite. They extended the band of kindness and immediately turned to helping feed the station German civillians, providing them with the necessities such as clothing medicine shelter and heat in the winters. They took the West Germans on as partners in the reconstruction and West Germany was cleaned up and rebuilt in a surprisingly short time. Granted Stalin played right into the western hawks and especially building the wall and most especially trying to starve the West Germans in berlin, that made friends of old enemies quickly. But in fact the fastest way to make friends of even the most bitter enemies is fair and kind treatment when your enemies are defeated and powerless before you. Japan proved that as much as Germany did after the war. In war one the treaty virtually guaranteed Germany's economic destruction, it would have subjugated them to the allies for decades if not centuries and was specifically designed to prevent Germany from ever building a powerful industrial, energy, or even agricultural base meaning Germany couldn't even defend itself in the currency less actually be aggressive. All this meant that the average German citizen would be crushed and doomed to live basically in poverty. How exactly anyone could perceive that as being fair I don't know. What I do know, and many other people there in Paris at the signing of the treaty, was that there was no people in the world, who had any price at all, any proud history of custom, could ever accept it for long. Resentment and hatred would build year by year. Unless the allied nations were willing to be completely ruthless and instantaneous in the enforcement and respond with overwhelming violence at every single violation then eventually the treaty would be ignored. And of course the allied governments at the time had no will and Hitler was allowed to kill sixty million people before he was finally stopped.
@@endawalsh3946 Well I'm going to assume that it#s because Lloyd George was this guy's great grandfather, and he would want to protect his legacy. Although the documentary seems quite fair and balanced, so I wouldn't agree that it's revisionist. Unless you can back up your point, I can't take it seriously.
Long live David Lloyd George, it’s a real shame many people in this country haven’t heard of him, he was just as great as Churchill, but doesn’t get the recognition he deserves
@hawkeize did you know that other countries than usa access youtube or do you beleive that there is only one country in the world that matters, yours ? americans really are extremely ignorant aren't they ? another word is 'thick'
Great job Dan, a true version of history showing the greatness and the failures of perhaps all humans
Fascinating ❤️😊🌸
My mother was a war bride from Wales. She said her grandfather, a minister, was friends with DLG. Bevan was the last name. I am doubly happy to find this video. First, I know if your name is on it, I am going to enjoy learning what you are presenting. Second, you can learn alot about the company people keep. Now I am going to watch.
Very Good - would like to have seen some reference to his central role in the establishment of the Irish Free State - the notorious Treaty of 1921 which split Ireland in two.
Being brought up in Caernarfon it’s surprising how little I knew about a man whose statue is in the square of the town, next to a huge castle built in 1283.
Hats off to Dan Snow for disclosing the strengths and weakness of one of his ancesters!
@@martinidry6300 And who are you? A nobody.
@@WORLD8NSH5KNIGHT1 Oh Great Wise One! Thine wisdom leaveth me in awe. To give an opinion on someone you know nothing about leaves me in wonder at your level/depths of perception.
Centrist tongue licker of Snow's Libturd arse is what you are. That's not a shot in the dark. You obviously support this completely unoriginal "historian" who has a penchant for pretending he's some kind of Action Man. Strip away his money and privilege and he'd piss the sheets.
Snow's a silverspoon who's never worked a day in hi life.
@@martinidry6300 e n l i g h t e n e d c e n t r i s t
Irish free state? Sitting down with Hitler? There's a lot more to the DLG story......
He’s a proper historian, that’s why.
Very good and balanced documentary.
I can think of at least 5-6 films about Churchill
Not a single biopic on Lloyd George
There was the TV series in the 80s and a brief role in 'Suffragette' (2015) which in my view barely captured his character- that is all I can think of
David Lloyd George was an extraordinary man and really deserves more cultural recognition
To the Irish Lloyd George will forever be seen as a crafty, slippery and duplicitous politican. He effectively bullied the Sinn Finn delegation during the treaty negotiations with threats of an all out assault on Ireland. He had nothing but contempt for the likes of Arthur Griffith and Michael Collins. As the historian Diarmud Ferriter said Lloyd George was always speaking out of two sides of his mouth to both nationalists and unionists alike.
His equally duplicitous role in the Greece invasion of Turkey in 1922 and the massacre at Smyrna when the Turks counterattacked should not be forgotren.
Dan - nice to have a famous ancestry. My dad had an older friend who was in the great war and who came back home successfully.
Terrific documentary from Dan Snow.
Enjoyed. What a treat to have a descendent as narrator Well done Many great men have weaknesses, if you read any history. It's the accomplishments, that further civilization, never the less. Look at Pres Kennedy, just one more example. Pres. having children out of wedlock, mistresses, all kinds of scandals, yet, many great accomplishments.
Dan, wow…the photo around the 6:22 mark…it’s you mate!! Love your stuff, all of it, podcasts, videos, interviews. Good on ya’! Cheers from Texas
Very recommendable!
Justice for Lloyd George! I can't breathe
During the Anglo irish treaty negotiations in 1921(which partitioned the country etc), David Lloyd George and his delegates ended up threatening ireland with all out war if the Irish delegates didn't sign. It will always be a mystery to us Irish, was he bluffing? Perhaps he would have resigned instead of a full out war with ireland?
Interesting doc. Bit disappointing to see no mention of DLG's key role in Ireland.
Dan one thing to note is that you actually have similar facial features 6:22
Before the First World War there were hundreds of Liberal MPs who could have held high office. How was it that LG got fast-tracked into the Cabinet? Who were the talent-scouts? Who were his enablers? The same questions might also be asked about Churchill. How did these two young men come to climb the greasy pole so quickly?
My old army song. Father knew Lloyd George,Lloyd George knew my father.
0:35 this is the same place where the opening scene of Assassins creed unity is set when ur playing as little Arno. Pretty cool to see what it looks like in real life.
Lloyd George knew my father
They are, to British standards. This “green and pleasant land” has nothing on the scale of the Rockies or the Grand Canyon, but is.breathtaking all the same.
The reason Lloyd George isn't remembered as Churchill, because WWII overshadowed WWI..........
Christiaan Hoekstra no it's because he was a shit post war prime minister
cinnamongirl3121 and Churchill was? I'm sure he and his Tories lost by a landslide for a reason
That Night In Munich so was Churchill
like Churchill
George was Churchill mentor and friend but a working class Welshman has almost been painted out of history by the right-wing press who make Churchill out, to be the only great leader and he wasn't even that popular in his own time is more now in death than he ever was alive and the reverse is true for Lloyd George
Who is the woman in the striped top?
Drawing comparisons to later politicians is ridiculous.
John and Dan snow make good documentaries normally I hope this one is to I can't see him been bias
Of course he was flawed, but so was Churchill, but without doubt he was a great man, and imho stands alongside Gladstone, Disraeli, Atlee, Churchill and Asquith as the greatest prime minister’s of the last 200 years
He was corrupt, however unlike most MPs he had no inherited wealth to fund his political office, this was before they had state funding.
Left out was how in 1919 he tried to get the Kaiser extradited to London, sent up the Thames like something from Tudor times for a public execution. The King had to constitutionally pull rank on him and Churchill too strongly objected.
In the end the Netherlands refused to extradite to Kaiser anyway.
I Saw the Television Program about David Lloyd George:::OK he was a Womaniser but he was also a great Polatishion who I think Cared for the General Public and for this County and he helped get the Suffragettes the vote in 1918 and in 1928
Dan's mom is a Canadian ,,
Aunt
What was that old song: " My father knew Lloyd George; Lloyd knee my father". ?... From what I had heard about the old goat, most men might have been justified in saying "Lloyd George WAS my father..." Silly joke...couldn't resist it...
Had he assassinated Hitler......
History would think of him on a different perspective....
But he didn't....he had dinner with him...in 36...?
I did his reputation some harm...
Hitler and Stalin and all the others are Jesuits check out the Jesuit oath
No Mention of how michael collins kicked his butt out of ireland
seems a loud mouth self righteous politician
I really can't believe your Aunt thinks that the Versailles treaty was fair to germany. The unconditional treaty with Germany prostrate before the world, when the western nations could have done as the USSR and basically raped East Germany figuratively and literally, and stripped it or absolutely everything of any value they could find, kept huge numbers of German prisoners and even went many regular civilian east Germans into slavery all throughout the USSR but mainly sibera. There most were worked to death and never returned, the lucky ones trickled back four five six years later...Finally insult to injury Stalin demanded crippling reparations charging Germany with all damage caused by the war.
The western nations did exactly oppisite. They extended the band of kindness and immediately turned to helping feed the station German civillians, providing them with the necessities such as clothing medicine shelter and heat in the winters. They took the West Germans on as partners in the reconstruction and West Germany was cleaned up and rebuilt in a surprisingly short time. Granted Stalin played right into the western hawks and especially building the wall and most especially trying to starve the West Germans in berlin, that made friends of old enemies quickly. But in fact the fastest way to make friends of even the most bitter enemies is fair and kind treatment when your enemies are defeated and powerless before you.
Japan proved that as much as Germany did after the war.
In war one the treaty virtually guaranteed Germany's economic destruction, it would have subjugated them to the allies for decades if not centuries and was specifically designed to prevent Germany from ever building a powerful industrial, energy, or even agricultural base meaning Germany couldn't even defend itself in the currency less actually be aggressive. All this meant that the average German citizen would be crushed and doomed to live basically in poverty. How exactly anyone could perceive that as being fair I don't know. What I do know, and many other people there in Paris at the signing of the treaty, was that there was no people in the world, who had any price at all, any proud history of custom, could ever accept it for long. Resentment and hatred would build year by year. Unless the allied nations were willing to be completely ruthless and instantaneous in the enforcement and respond with overwhelming violence at every single violation then eventually the treaty would be ignored. And of course the allied governments at the time had no will and Hitler was allowed to kill sixty million people before he was finally stopped.
I came here to say that. Glad someone said it
Bertrand Russell would disagree with most of this, check your history
This will be revisionist history
Mind explaining what you mean?
@@seanspindleshanks2529 have a think
@@endawalsh3946 Well I'm going to assume that it#s because Lloyd George was this guy's great grandfather, and he would want to protect his legacy. Although the documentary seems quite fair and balanced, so I wouldn't agree that it's revisionist. Unless you can back up your point, I can't take it seriously.
@@seanspindleshanks2529 hmm murdering imperialist how's that
@@endawalsh3946 Mind telling me what you're specifically referring to?
I'm from Colorado . Those aren't mountains
Neither are those in colorado compared to the himalayas lol
Dan Snow certainly could have added a bit more fire and charisma to the documentary; not too impressive
Really? I thought Dad did a fine job.
I'll get my history from someone who isn't a coddled toff tory who only got the job because of his posh, rich daddy with connections thanks.
As opposed to an arrogant anarchist bullshitter who knows nothing about the world.
whatever cock-ring.
Awww mean ...