Hindustanis overview (AoE2)
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- Опубліковано 9 лис 2022
- Overview of the Hindustanis (previously: Indians) in Age of Empires 2.
1:15 Team bonus: camel and light cavalry +2 vs buildings
2:41 Villagers cost -10%/-15%/-20%/-25% HP
3:45 Camels attack 25% faster
4:55 Gunpowder units +1/+1 armor
5:33 Can build caravanserai
UNIQUE UNIT AND TECHS
7:05 The Ghulam
9:00 Imperial Camel Rider
10:30 Grand Trunk Road (+10% gold income)
11:14 Shatagni (+2 HC range)
TECH TREE
12:15 Archers B+
13:05 Infantry B
13:35 Cavalry A-
14:10 Siege B+
14:40 Navy C+
15:02 Monks B
15:31 Defenses B+
15:56 Trash B
16:15 Closing thoughts
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Previous overview (outdated): • Indians Overview: AoE ...
Game: Age of Empires II Definitive Edition - Ігри
Bro I'm so glad you brought back the intro such amazing memories
Did you know he composed the song himself? :P
I'm glad to think that Spirit has been doing videos for long enough that can bring back memories
He still uses them for longer videos. Iirc he just doesn't like putting it on short ones because it's like padding the runtime.
The Karambitcoin's value plummeting makes me crack up every time because the old HD version of the intro has it rising. It's a really good joke that most people will miss unless they go back and watch older videos.
@@RickJaeger he sait he doesn't use it everytime because it wouldnt be as special
This is what they meant when they said "India will be a super power by 2022"
Hahaha
wasn't it 2020??
@@martiananomaly were just postponing it due to covid and now due to russian ukraine war. Lmao
Lmao Good one.
Did you dealt with your depression?
Haven’t played the game in 6 years but always a treat when watching your civ overview videos!
Yeah same, I don't play very often, but I like watching these videos.
Just play dude
Havent played the game in 15 years, i literally could not understand english at that time, and yet, i really like watching these videos.
@@darthjump this is a very limited view.
Same here 😉
Bit of a fun curiosity, but "light cavalry" in the team bonus description also includes Magyar Huszar, Steppe Lancer and Shrivamsha Rider. Which means they also benefit from the extra damage against buildings
I expected the Magyar Huszar, but the other two are a surprise. What about the Tarkan?
@@maxmichalik4938 just checked wiki. Hindustani bonus doesn't seem to affect Tarkans
@@ariaangela3455 a pity, they should surely fall into the category of light cavalry.
@@guilhermebraga9773 While the wiki addresses Scout and Knight as Light and Heavy Cavalries respectively, Tarkan is addressed as just Cavalry
@@guilhermebraga9773 I think tarkans are more heavy cavalry.
Light cavalry usually cost low, mediocre hp and move fast.
Tarkans cost around the same as a knight, has good hp and has roughly the same speed as that of the knight. It's weak as hell in melee though of course.
Amazing video as always! I love how the Hindustanis were designed, finally a civ that is played very differently to the rest :0
I think their still a bit overturned but much like Gurjaras I love the idea. Their definently a fair bit more interesting then the Indian umbrella civ was.
Its been over 20 years since I last played an AoE game, yet I keep watching your videos just because I like your voice and narration. Keep it up !
4:57 I think the strongest use case of this bonnus is with bombard cannons in trash wars, sniping them with skirmishers is pretty common and they deal 2 dmg to generic BBC but hindustani's only recieve 1 dmg each skirmisher hit
Im always looking forward to the civ overview videos. Today is a good day indeed. Thank you SotL!
I dont play Hindustanis but I love fighting them, for they are one of the few civs that actually break the meta and bring something different on the table to fight with.
By default I assume people that complain about Hindustanis are either Frank pickers or archer civ pickers.
Which is a good thing, for the very first time they have to pour a lot of work on their game.
Meta slaves when they face something that isn't telegraphed and used everytime
:Op reeew
Pretty much. Loved the Indians, love the Hindustanis even more. Knight rushers can seethe.
Knights are too good, so it's hilarious when a civ comes along that puts them in their place.
Infantry plus siege play does put them in place in general vs hindustani and gujaras in general. Had a guy who went shrivamsa riders and Bulgarian infantry and siege throughout castle and imperial
I mean they have UU (unique unit) counter Knight and archer, and your options against them are infantry. And they are really good at fighting generic camels as well. Infantry and siege are quite useless because Hind can just make scorpions or hand cannoneer. Also, in order for infantry and siege to be effective you have to be at least mid or late castle to have mass. While Hind gets their best UU right out of the castle age and snipping your Vills. In a team game, they have flank archer civ counter enemy infantry. I think the biggest problem is Hind camel is too strong against the generic camel. Most of the aoe2 UU (unique unit) if they are really good at something, they usually come with a cost. And for Hind, they don't have a cost and their camel gets a better piece armor against archers. That is why they are so overpowered. They will get nerf somehow. FYI, infantry is the most useless unit in the early to mid-game.
Topic suggestion: Efficiency in Dark Age. How important is it REALLY to have the boar directly under the TC instead of 1 tile away? How important is the second lumber camp when you have 7-10 on wood? How important is the one sheep that you accidentally slaughtered?
A lot. Smoothens up everything for minimal commitment from the player.
I guess at low levels it really doesn't matter because everyone idles 2 minutes in dark age already but I've had many, many matches where these few efficiency things ended up mattering (Lacking the wood for a stable, idle because the boar was killed too far and force dropping took way longer, etc.)
Example to answer your questions:
The second lumbercamp pays itself extremely quickly and unless the map doesn't allow a good 2nd lumbercamp/your build is EXTREMELY tight it really should be built. 7/10 lumberjacks on a simgle woodline means it will get chopped out very soon.
A boar not directly under TC means that if you have to force drop some vils will have to walk a lot more to return working, which can worsen the next force drop (This can potentially cause idle time). If they are all under TC you use everyone and is fine.
Extra slaughtered sheeps are the least impactful, but is still lost food for no reason. Just shift queue your vils, takes an instant
Thank you for bringing the intro back! I have missed it so much.
I absolutely love seeing the way you analyze things.
water being a weak point for Hindustanis is actually accurate, I think. And thanks to Grand Trunk road, trade is still good, which also feels like historical accuracy. Someone designed these quite well
@sae The Hindustanis do not represent any of the naval powers. Cholas are represented by Dravidians, and Bengalis the... well, Bengalis. Both are good water civs.
@saewha Hinudstanis were invader dynasties in South Asia. Current Pakistan and North India is what Hindustanis represents.
@@ijazkhan3335 not really. hindustanis refers to native north indian hindus who fought the islamist invaders. You are certainly no hindustani. "pakistan" has nothing to do with hindustanis.
Whenever Sotl uploads a video its a good day
Imperial camel: "Have you heard of the Knight Line? They are a powerful unit used by players to fight using cavalry. You, however, are knightless. I can play the role of Knight, so long as you promise not to use me against archers."
camels are actually magnetic, they attract arrowheads. subtle addition made by the devs lmaooooooo
You absolute madman
That is what the ghulams are for, to take arrows for us royal camel riders who are clearly too good for these arrows
Imperial Camels upgrade completes:
"I have given thee courtesy enough"
@@SIGNOR-G "I can feel it in my bones... a Camel... cannot become a Knight... not even you..."
To me, the single biggest takeaway from this video is that Spirit of the Law needs a new ranking category for synergies. For a top performing civ not to get even an A minus on any of his usual categories just feels weird. I think he did a great job explaining how their abilities synergize to make them so good overall, and I suspect that if he did have a synergy category the Hindustani's performance would be much more obvious.
In that dark age, it also can mean one less load to carry to get the villager to prevent down time with the discount.
The Hindustanis are like the Incas, they have units that can counter with each unit, anti-archery ghulam, anti-cavalry camel and anti-infantry hand cannons, a bit of everything although that, it lacks several things for some civilizations that specialize in infantry with a good archery
Back when they were known as the Indians(I abused the heck out of the shore fishing bonus), they were always my go to but now I like them even more.
I made a mod for Hindustani that takes away.. Hussar, Light Cavalry, Champion, Ring Archer Armor and Redemption
And in return I gave them.. Steppe and Elite Steppe lancers, Parthian Tactics, Bombard Towers and Architecture
While also changing Ghulam into a tank. 85 HP with hidden bonus armor vs infantry and special units (they hold the line vs nearly any opponent in melee for a considerable amount of time, but they dont really have a high damage output without utilizing their pierce mechanic)
This basically turns the Ghulam into a "total war" type unit, being one of those iconic "anvil infantry" that can take a lot of hits in situations that players normally dont expect, giving you time to use your camels and new lancers/parthian horse archers to "hammer" with.
The lack of hussar and light cavalry is a nerf, but also advocating for historical accuracy, while the inclusion of steppe lancer is to push the gold reliance on the Hindu player into a more dynamic relationship between horse archers and parthian tactics in relation to the LACK of ring archer armor for skirmishers and crossbows.
I essentially turned them from a reliable steam roller civ into one that has very heavy gold reliance on units with equal counter power that NEED to back each other up. I had a lot of fun playing with it. I felt challenged by situations that i normally would have blinked through before, and the Ghulam felt like such an interesting unit and a breath of fresh air, it was really awesome watching them hold the line vs champions and unique units for 20+ seconds while my camel reinforcements charged up from the side just in time from the stables.
Idk if any of this is balanced or not. But it is really fun to ply with, if i cant toot my own horn.
Lol love that you are tooting your own horn. It does sound like a fun mod civ to play.
@@ark_knight Modding for AoE 2 is extremely easy, in context to many other RTS games modding tools. And i've heard a lot of people feel very dissatisfied with the current power house state of Hindustani. I honestly just wanted to share my findings in making the Civ more challenging to play as while still being rewarding and having a truly UNIQUE unit.
Maybe other people will pick up the tools and try it themselves.
@@darkranger116 Interesting. Might try modding myself if I ever get time haha
Since last week i was waiting for you to upload this video. Timely arrival, indeed.
Civ with the best glow-up in my opinion
also note that you can heal batteriing ram elephants with monks rather than repairing them
Interesting, is this advantage or disadvantage. Monks are cost more but they dont have to come close for healing
@@AtticusKarpenter also, assuming u have the monk, it doesn't have a repair cost.
The spinning villager in the intro is my all time favourite. Keep her forever, and I'll be here for it.
The rest of the intro is dope, too. But you could change it, and as long as she's there, i might not even notice. 🤣
I don't know where you got the intro from or the music but it is fire. Glad it is back.
i think my favorite part about the Hindu's unique unit is that their speed is matched nicely with a nice running animation. most units you see that are fast tend to "walk" their sprint, while the units that actually have a nice animation of sprinting makes this game look so much better for a "rush down" unit.
Spirit since you did a top 5 trebuchet civs could it be possible if you did the same with bombard cannons, since there are some civs that have specific bonuses for them (Bohemians, Portuguese, Spanish, Turks, Burgundians...)?
Also, Hindustanis best civ.
ah the old spanish machine gun
Spanish Cannons are sad
Fantastic video as usual!
Love that the intro is back !
The main advantage of the +1/+1 for gunpowder units is that BBCs only take 1 damage from elite skirms instead of the usual 2, so its a huge boost for survivability in late-game trash wars
Drop an F in the chat, he didn't say "I lick toes at night" when thanking his patrons
Love still getting civ overviews in 2022
Yayy, Intro is back!
I'm loving this civ so far
I am thoroughly enjoying Hindustanis as a civ. The campaign was great, and each of their strengths cover up some of their weakness to an extent. Quite versatile with options all throughout the game starting from Dark Age. Great choice to play with.
The key to their success is that they hard-counter the most meta units in the game: Cavalry and Archers.
Infantry at large are fairly under-tuned and don't really perform that well outside of the specialists; being far too vulnerable to archers, and too slow to adequately handle cavalry in open field or defensive capacities. Finally, they're too vulnerable to Mangonels and Siege without some special du jour propping up their cost efficiency.
Therein lies the problem: Infantry should, in theory, run right through the Hindustanis, but in reality, the high speed of the Ghulam and Camel lines enable them to easily dictate the terms of engagement, and there's nothing stopping the HIndustanis from building Mangonels, Scorpions or massed archers/hand cannoneers of their own.
You're basically forced to respond to what the Hindustanis are doing instead of the other way around, unless you're playing a strong infantry civ and successfully raid them in Feudal and early Castle Age. Even then, they aren't defenseless; they're still capable of counter-raiding due to the sheer speed and offensive capability of their Camels.
I think you should add 1 more segment to your civ reviews. Where you point out civs unbalanced state in some popular game mods. Like you say this civ is potencialy good in forest nothing, all tech mod, diplo-regicide, deathmatch...
I wasnt playing aoe2 till i watch one of your first civ review. Then i started playing aoe2 after all those years. And kept watching you.
YES THE INTRO IS BACK YES YES YES
OH MY GOD, the intro is back !!!
Nice video as always
Sir so glad to that u bring this vedio fan from India and specially wating for Dravidians 😂 as i am Dravidian too love @spiritoflaw
It's impressive how a civ without knights can be that powerful. American civs heave eagle warrior which is probably the best unit overall in the game. What I've done recently that really helped me was scouts into CA, or archers into skirms + camels. Works every time. Also the hand cannoneers is the surprise factor that finishes the game, make sure you make your opponent to mass halbs and them shred them all and push with hussars.
Finally!!! another civ overview!!
The real advantage Indians had could never be replicated in the game because it was more related to geography and culture. They were overtly civillized to a point where they called Greeks at their peak to be Crude Barbarians whose only admirable part was their astronomical knowledge. The ability of being surrounded by water, rivers flowing in the middle and amazing ability to sustain population was what made them one of oldest and greatest civillization which made alot of discoveries that are way too ahead of its time and even now are relevant. Mountains protected them in north and seas in south, so they were generally safe. Another great thing was the commodities they traded were considered premium goods, like spices and fine woven clothing that sold for good amount of gold. Indians had very strong background of knowledge and learning and they had universities long before even the world understood concept of even having them, this ample amount of knowledge and sharing it with everyone became one of their big points rise, Indian traders were so influential that cities were raised up from nothing just by taxing the Indian Merchants who came to trade. Trading, Geography, Population, Rich Fertile land and premium goods were its best points.
not biased commentary
I wonder what stats SotL is using. Hindustanis are #1 in winrates at 1200+ elo on open maps, not #3 (according to aoepulse, yet to find more up-to-date stats).
Paladin also gives +1 pierce armor, which is a substantial improvement over Cavalier.
Can you do Bengalis next? Also can you make a video comparing all elephants? 🙇♀🙇♀ Thank you sensei!
When I started playing Hindustanis they became my new favorite, I would never thought I could switch from the Spanish.
Next video: who has the best trade? Berber water trade? Spanish water? Hindustani etc. I know you've touched on water v land trade in the past, but I'd be keen for a refresher video with the new civs included and maybe some info on if for example dry dock increases gather rate
I love this channel
THE INTRO! It´s alive!
Love this civ, I can use it both on closed maps and on open maps.
i love these videos
Hey man, I've been out of AoE2 for many many years now, yet everytime i see your vids, there is a lot new... Could You make a comparison betweek AoE original and AoE 2 in 2022?
It is surprising that Hindustani are jack of all stats (completely balanced/all B) civ, but are one of the top tier civ in the game's ranked ladder. Props to them!
Hi Spirit, Great Video!
I have a thought for a video idea that might be interesting around how AI names are assigned in games. My brother and I play a lot of single player, and have noted that we recognise some names for certain colours, for example Nagy Lajos (Magyars) always appears to be Grey. I was wondering if there was any connection between Civs, colours and player names. To test this, we set up two games with the same civs and colours and noted that they had the same player names. However, on subsequent attempts we are not always getting the same results, particularly when we have games of all the same civ. Are you aware of any connection between player names, civs and colours that might exist? Or even how many names there are per civ?
"...so let's check them out. [pause]"
Me: DO WE GET THE INTRO????
[intro queues]
Me: ahhh yesssssssss
This Civs a beast
Could you do Gurjaras next?
The intro doesn't have to go so hard goddamn
I love what they did with the Indians, it's the first time they took one of those huge orerarching civs and made it something more sensible.
It would make sense to change Slavs to Russia.
They could also reorganize the Iberian civs, changing Spain to Castille, and adding Aragon.
Don't know if this was addressed before, but does the gold unoque tech stack with h the Aztec team bonus with regards to relics?
They always make the DLC civs overpowered at first. It sells more DLC. Then they nerf it later after the majority of sales have occurred. It's plain to see.
And yes i realize Indians were already in the game. But they were overhauled in line with the DLC to be sold.
every time SotL reads his patrons at the end, I always have to think of Olaf from Frozen 2: 'Samantha? *chuckles* I don't even know a Samantha'
Finally my Favourite Indian Civ
I love Camels
Camels = best boats
This is my favourite 4v4 civ!!
daddy spirit upload less goooo
Am i the only one who thinks that IMPERIAL CAMEL should be a common upgrade that industanis get discounted?
Like imperial skirmishers.
Intro!!! Yay!!
Baby wake TF up, SOTL just uploaded.
On the topic of splitting civs, I think a prime candidate will be splitting the "Slavs" into the Rus', representing Novgorod and Muscovy, and Ruthenians, mainly representing Galicia-Volhiniya. Both get a unique replacement for the champion, the Varangian Guard. Rus' will keep Slavs' bonuses and/or adjust them, and Ruthenians will be an entirely new civ.
Campaigns for each would be Alexander Nevsky, and Danylo the Great.
the rus should be representing kiev first. since that is where the name comes from
@@alexmuller6752 The rus of kiev (kievan rus) one just one of many simultaneous rus
Off Topic, but there should be an official Tutorial for Things like how Triggers work (at least the most used ones), i know they work after Condition-Effect and i teached me several ones, but some can be very complex.
And it should be especially explained how to upload Custom made Scenarios to Multiplayer, how to change Campaign-Backgrounds, how to add Text Messages before and after Missions etc.
You have to look for all this Things one by one by your own.
I made several Custom Campaigns with quite a lot of single Missions.
Please more civ overviews!!
iLickToesAtNight is back!
Can you do a video on how these updates impact the original AoE campaigns? Cheers
But how does it effect trade cogs though?
overall a strong civ with lovely camels
Ohh YESSSSSSS
The most OP civ lol
I see a new civ overview
Me: It's a good day today
The "previous overview" link in the description seems to point to a Byzantium video from 7 years ago btw, that's probably not right...
I’m trying to find the old Indians video but I think you linked the Byzantines by accident!
JAI BHOLEKI JAI HIND!
The Civ that looks at the horsey-and-archer meta and laughs.
I can’t believe that upon seeing the video on my feed I made the most absolute soyface, I guess that’s just how much I love this game and channel
On a different topic, i would like a japanese and a cinese expansion, giving different dinasties an reigns for cina (like Qin and Cio) and different shogunate for japan (inspiration taken from Total War games, ex: Nobunaga faction and campain).
Can we get a top 10 turtle civs? And maybe even top 10 ally turtle civs? :)
Do Magyar huzars benefit from the light cavalry team bonus?
My man
Good morning, sirs
Does the Carvansari effect trade cogs?
GOOD MORNING SIRS
Love hindustanis almost as much as i love SOTL
Really wish they kept the armor bonus +1/+1 for camels too.
Have pride in the intro
Being an exclusively anti-meta player, no doubt they are my favourite civ.
They have a great campaign aswell 🤷♂️
Men of culture. Reunite for the OG Intro
Hindustani + Italians + Spanish.
The best trade team. Unlimited gunpowder.
SoTL: Doesn't shout out I lick toes at night
Everyone: The end is nie!
"The one unit you know for a fact, you're gonna make a lot of every game" - *Laughs in Hoang*