Thanks for your job. We have some discussion about this entering. Some of our guys say that we need pre check observation, and this kind of entering work only with grenade or flashbang. Because if enemy stay opposite the door, he can shoot while you clear corners. And you already in the room and haven't covers of the walls. Second question - if you going through the walls, there can be obstacles (sofa, bed, chair, anything ) which you can't see outside the room. What we gonna do in this case? And again - thanks for the video
It seems like Dutch is uncomfortable being unserious and Dorr is uncomfortable being serious. This is a buddy cop waiting to happen. Need a great action series with like two contractors, a super high speed squared away ex-Delta guy and a goofy ex-SEAL having to work together to get shit done. Actually I guess that sounds like a better version of Strike Back.
Safety off and putting your finger on the trigger are procedures that should come after identifying a threat - aiming. Whether or not safety is turned off already is nonsense because there is no time difference. And, when it's time to raise the gun and raise the aiming point, it's already changed to semi, and ready to pull the trigger.
I am a bit confused. You are saying: always use the safety! Only when you identify a threat, you turn the safety on "Fire". But Tosh said in his video with Myles "CQB House Run (Part 1) One Man vs. Multiple Armed Threats", that he is not playing the game with safety on/off if he ist the first man...
why not pie the outside of the door to see 80% or more before entry. OR since its an open door corner fed you can see the entire side of the room. Dutch basically cleared two corners upon entry that he cleared from outside the threshold.
You're missing the point here. It's not about why isn't he performing a pie rather than dynamic entry, it's about the 2 being circumstantial. There will be times where you won't pie and here is a video showing you a way to get a 2-man into a corner-fed without pieing. They'll undoubtedly have videos showing you how to pie when that's relevant circumstantially. It's a bit like saying why don't they just throw in 2 grenades? Or drop a bomb on it from the air? Because it's a hypothetical scenario and that's not what is on display, what is on display is dynamic entry on a corner-fed. Context isn't going to be a 8min video, individual circumstantial tools for hypothetical scenarios can be 8min videos but context on the parameters of when and when not to do this and that are considerably longer and more complicated.
Huh, ya actually I’ve seen tons of videos on this room entering and clearing, but I’ve never seen about if you’re the one on the room. Makes sense too, if your home is broken into very likely you’d be in your room, and someone else entering.
@@griff4d7 If someone checks off the Big 3 - speed, surprise, and violence of action - the person inhabiting the room doesn’t have much of a chance. On the other hand, if you’re expecting these visitors, they’ve lost surprise. If you stack the doorway or entry with blankets or trip hazards, they’ve lost speed. Then, the inhabitant only requires to match violence of action and it’s a coin toss and a numbers game.
This is not a good technique. One of them is partically "Running the wall" and it is now well known why it is bad. I will make an effort to post a video about why that is. I used to be relaxed about bad tactics in UA-cam, but I no longer can because since so many people with "credentials" are posting these that these bad tactics are now seeping into training for agencies that do not know better.
What do you guys think about limited penetration into the room? I see you guys are running the walls is it because you are giving room for more operators to come in? Thank you
"Be athletic" is a nice concept for those who understand athleticism. But how do you explain that concept to somehow who doesn't know what it's like to be athletic?
The overall point is that as you are clearing a large structure with many rooms or numerous structures throughout the evening, you are not thinking about where your hips or where your legs are with reference to the walls or the doors.. So when I say be athletic, it means don't trip over stuff , don't run into other people et cetera
I’ll respond with this: Almost everyone born since the early ‘50’s has some sense of ‘athleticism’. Schools - particularly jr high and high schools through out the US, began putting an emphasis on physical education and in some areas even more so on competitive sports. I teach a lot of handgun and carbine students and one of the first things we discuss is the ‘athletic stance’. I start the conversation with “have you ever played a sport in school, or had p.e. as a part of your curriculum throughout high school?”To a person the answer has been ‘yes’. I use the sport they played as an example and have them demonstrate an athletic stance, and incorporate that basic body positioning into the firearm stance. Granted - some fine tuning may be needed but people understand the idea of balance and how that affects movement, stance,etc.
What happens if the entry man gets smoked as he crosses the threshold? If I'm thinking logically, numbers 1 and 2 may get wounded, but 3 and 4 would blast through the sheetrock into the room. I'm curious on an TPPs if #s and and two are hit on entry. Thoughts, even from the community at large.
Hi Chris, how do you deal in a center fed room with center threats waiting for you? There is still too much delay until first & second man can shoot them after checked their corners.
@@mikev2761 i don't think so...this is why center check/step center is used by some units (check modern tactical/jeff gurtwich video), i asked him (not you) because i want an opinion from a person with top level training and experience (not you for sure)
Why would you even need this explained? If there are threats, address them, otherwise you will get "kilt ded". Back in the day soldiers were taught to ignore center threats and address their corners, but that doctrine was based off of hostage rescue techniques and was predicated off of a 4 man entry. That doctrine turned out to be dogshit and caused a lot of people to lose their lives. Dynamic entries in general have turned out to be a bad idea unless absolutely necessary (active shooter, hostage rescue, threat angles that prevent methodical threshold evaluations, etc.) When I went through MCT I was taught basic MOUT. What we were taught as far as room clearing was to check center, and then proceed to the corner. Since then, all of the training I've received (private training, police academy, alerrt, a little bit of training with norse tactical) has favored evaluating the room from the outside if at all possible. If you can engage a combatant from outside of the room, why not do so? Or at the very least, see what obstacles may be in the room preventing seamless movement. You'll probably ignore what I've said though because I don't have "top level training".
Every single person that has ever received actual training does this. You leave the weapon on safe until you have made the conscious decision to fire. That's not to say that people have never switched off of safe before making entry on a room, but it is certainly not the norm.
Great video but disagree on how he said low ready is faster to bring up than snapping down from high ready. Watch Shawn Ryan’s video on it with Mike Glover (former Navy Seal and Green Beret). The example in this video shows the low ready with the muzzle in your teammate’s back if you’re anyone but point man. But even on the point I personally feel like it’s faster for me to let gravity work with me and snap down. Probably just comes down to personal preference
Thanks Dutch for the comment on running a safety. I came from a place that would teach guys to have their rifles on full auto on entry. Never felt good about it, and had a guy end up having a ND. I always trained to use the safety. Seems like if DELTA doesn't run around with their guns on fire, nobody else should.
Thank you for the detailed information, explaining the safety on your rifle. Any tips on how to engage your safety ? Threat or no threat ?? The range ? I always use the safety, 2 shots, safety, 4 shots safety. Hopefully I'm explaining right. I USE TAPE ON MY THUMBS. thanks happy holidays to you and your family.
Great video on training to implement & survive entry,....it's some of the comments on the internet, (more than likely - coming from the most unathletic to ever inhabit the earth.....lol), that can kill the best trained men with laughter.....Thanks fer sharing.
A long time ago when “load” meant ‘put the musket between your knees and reach for you powder horn’ I thought why the fuck am I being taught this on a magnetic board with magnetic sticky things ?
It’s all the same once you get into the room. To answer your question the why is speed. Your in a hurry so surprise, speed, and good old violence of action are warranted.
@@dutchchristophermoyer2856 Honestly, I find 10k hard to believe. That would have to be one engagement everyday for over 27 years. Regardless, how do you know it works compared to not doing it is my question. If you never do both ways an equal amount of times, how do you know which one works better? Rhetorical question. I don't think you do know for sure.
@@pathos1988 I don’t think he was being literal with his 10,000 number, it’s hyperbole, but I’m sure he has done this for real more than most people. Lol you’re and adult you don’t have to take his advice, but you are the one watching him.
Thanks for your job. We have some discussion about this entering. Some of our guys say that we need pre check observation, and this kind of entering work only with grenade or flashbang. Because if enemy stay opposite the door, he can shoot while you clear corners. And you already in the room and haven't covers of the walls. Second question - if you going through the walls, there can be obstacles (sofa, bed, chair, anything ) which you can't see outside the room. What we gonna do in this case? And again - thanks for the video
It seems like Dutch is uncomfortable being unserious and Dorr is uncomfortable being serious. This is a buddy cop waiting to happen. Need a great action series with like two contractors, a super high speed squared away ex-Delta guy and a goofy ex-SEAL having to work together to get shit done. Actually I guess that sounds like a better version of Strike Back.
Dorr having fun at work…🤣 Great content as always
Dutch turned his back on a Navy guy and nearly got his ass grabbed. I think the Village people wrote a song on that one.
how does it go? :P
Isn't it better to have your safety off. You loose time if it's on
@Total Indoc explain
Safety off and putting your finger on the trigger are procedures that should come after identifying a threat - aiming. Whether or not safety is turned off already is nonsense because there is no time difference.
And, when it's time to raise the gun and raise the aiming point, it's already changed to semi, and ready to pull the trigger.
let me ask u this, would u prefer the guy behind you to have his safety on? the answer is yes and u also turn it on when u reload
I’m not a professional or anything so genuinely curious could you not have cleared 80% of that room by panning the exterior before entry?
I am a bit confused. You are saying: always use the safety! Only when you identify a threat, you turn the safety on "Fire". But Tosh said in his video with Myles "CQB House Run (Part 1) One Man vs. Multiple Armed Threats", that he is not playing the game with safety on/off if he ist the first man...
Love these technical videos! You guys have a great mix of gear reviews, setups, and tactics.
why not pie the outside of the door to see 80% or more before entry. OR since its an open door corner fed you can see the entire side of the room. Dutch basically cleared two corners upon entry that he cleared from outside the threshold.
You're missing the point here. It's not about why isn't he performing a pie rather than dynamic entry, it's about the 2 being circumstantial. There will be times where you won't pie and here is a video showing you a way to get a 2-man into a corner-fed without pieing. They'll undoubtedly have videos showing you how to pie when that's relevant circumstantially. It's a bit like saying why don't they just throw in 2 grenades? Or drop a bomb on it from the air? Because it's a hypothetical scenario and that's not what is on display, what is on display is dynamic entry on a corner-fed. Context isn't going to be a 8min video, individual circumstantial tools for hypothetical scenarios can be 8min videos but context on the parameters of when and when not to do this and that are considerably longer and more complicated.
Love these guys sharing good knowledge. But remember folks without practice this means nothing
Thank you! Would you please do a video on "high port" vs. "low port"? The advantages versus the disadvantages of both?
If you look through the TH videos Coch does a segment that covers high ready, low ready, high port and low port and the related key points.
Advantages and Disadvantages in both, depends on the scenario, the team, proposed threat vs outcome
It's all based on context. Like the compressed high ready, very appropriate in this scenario.
Mike glover/Shawn Ryan do an excellent video on this
Dorr cracks me up
I've practiced clearing my house many times you should do a how to on up and down stairways
You guys rock. Such quality info. Love watching & learning from TH.
nice vid. i gotta ask for a video of Defense, like if you was on the breached on, What to do and how to prepare and defend
If 4 unit guys or SEALs just entered your room at high speed - its too late.
Like, if you were the criminal, you want to know how to defend your criminal self?
Huh, ya actually I’ve seen tons of videos on this room entering and clearing, but I’ve never seen about if you’re the one on the room. Makes sense too, if your home is broken into very likely you’d be in your room, and someone else entering.
@@griff4d7 If someone checks off the Big 3 - speed, surprise, and violence of action - the person inhabiting the room doesn’t have much of a chance.
On the other hand, if you’re expecting these visitors, they’ve lost surprise. If you stack the doorway or entry with blankets or trip hazards, they’ve lost speed. Then, the inhabitant only requires to match violence of action and it’s a coin toss and a numbers game.
Tell me you’re the bad guy without actually telling me.
This is not a good technique. One of them is partically "Running the wall" and it is now well known why it is bad.
I will make an effort to post a video about why that is.
I used to be relaxed about bad tactics in UA-cam, but I no longer can because since so many people with "credentials" are posting these that these bad tactics are now seeping into training for agencies that do not know better.
@totalindoc4833 Appeal to authority logical fallacy.
@Total Indoc Dutch isn't going to date you, bro
What do you guys think about limited penetration into the room? I see you guys are running the walls is it because you are giving room for more operators to come in? Thank you
We run the walls as we see fit. The more you do this the more the little RULES become guidelines. Thx for posting
Got it thank you so much for the information and the quick response. Can’t wait for the next video.
"Be athletic" is a nice concept for those who understand athleticism. But how do you explain that concept to somehow who doesn't know what it's like to be athletic?
Ummmm … why are they on the team ?? Just a thought :)
The overall point is that as you are clearing a large structure with many rooms or numerous structures throughout the evening, you are not thinking about where your hips or where your legs are with reference to the walls or the doors.. So when I say be athletic, it means don't trip over stuff , don't run into other people et cetera
@@BRADLEY856 it may not be that they are on the team, but they want to be. 🤷🏿♂️
I’ll respond with this: Almost everyone born since the early ‘50’s has some sense of ‘athleticism’. Schools - particularly jr high and high schools
through out the US, began putting an emphasis on physical education and in some areas even more so on competitive sports. I teach a lot of handgun and carbine students and one of the first things we discuss is the ‘athletic stance’. I start the conversation with “have you ever played a sport in school, or had p.e. as a part of your curriculum throughout high school?”To a person the answer has been ‘yes’. I use the sport they played as an example and have them demonstrate an athletic stance, and incorporate that basic body positioning into the firearm stance. Granted - some fine tuning may be needed but people understand the idea of balance and how that affects movement, stance,etc.
@@pathos1988 who doesn't know what athletic means?! Wtf!!!
What happens if the entry man gets smoked as he crosses the threshold? If I'm thinking logically, numbers 1 and 2 may get wounded, but 3 and 4 would blast through the sheetrock into the room. I'm curious on an TPPs if #s and and two are hit on entry.
Thoughts, even from the community at large.
Is Dutch left-eye dominant? The way he holds his head seems that's right-handed and left-eye dominant.
Great series. I would like to see same procedure with concealment inside the room, in real life say a couch.
you guys did not enter that room seamlessly. @5:13 #2 man left you high and dry first sausage would be making you do it again.
Hi Chris, how do you deal in a center fed room with center threats waiting for you?
There is still too much delay until first & second man can shoot them after checked their corners.
Seriously? If threats are in the center waiting and why would you even enter and check corners? Think about your question and how ridiculous it is.
@@mikev2761 i don't think so...this is why center check/step center is used by some units (check modern tactical/jeff gurtwich video), i asked him (not you) because i want an opinion from a person with top level training and experience (not you for sure)
Why would you even need this explained? If there are threats, address them, otherwise you will get "kilt ded".
Back in the day soldiers were taught to ignore center threats and address their corners, but that doctrine was based off of hostage rescue techniques and was predicated off of a 4 man entry. That doctrine turned out to be dogshit and caused a lot of people to lose their lives. Dynamic entries in general have turned out to be a bad idea unless absolutely necessary (active shooter, hostage rescue, threat angles that prevent methodical threshold evaluations, etc.)
When I went through MCT I was taught basic MOUT. What we were taught as far as room clearing was to check center, and then proceed to the corner.
Since then, all of the training I've received (private training, police academy, alerrt, a little bit of training with norse tactical) has favored evaluating the room from the outside if at all possible. If you can engage a combatant from outside of the room, why not do so? Or at the very least, see what obstacles may be in the room preventing seamless movement.
You'll probably ignore what I've said though because I don't have "top level training".
Think the guy at the back disagrees with disengaging the safety upon target acquisition 🤔
4:34 A good cheek squeeze is perfect indicator that you are ready for entry 😂
A cheek or thigh squeeze is unmistakable, a should squeeze/bump can easily be mistaken lol
I noticed as well.. LOL
Dorr is the absolute best in this video Hahahah
I like this. Fun, informative, straight on.
Love the simplicity on being dynamic
Man I love this. Get armed ya dummy! 😆
yea that whole wait til yer in the room and lookin down the badguys gunbarrel before yew even take yer saftey off? JUS NO! absolute horse hockey
You need to go get some training.
Too big a gap entering the room between operators.
This "wait to switch off your safety until you see a threat" is overkill. And it's dumb. And no one actually does it.
Every single person that has ever received actual training does this.
You leave the weapon on safe until you have made the conscious decision to fire.
That's not to say that people have never switched off of safe before making entry on a room, but it is certainly not the norm.
Why not use left handed grip at 5:45?
Im getting hip to the past 5 years gimme time
Great video but disagree on how he said low ready is faster to bring up than snapping down from high ready. Watch Shawn Ryan’s video on it with Mike Glover (former Navy Seal and Green Beret). The example in this video shows the low ready with the muzzle in your teammate’s back if you’re anyone but point man. But even on the point I personally feel like it’s faster for me to let gravity work with me and snap down. Probably just comes down to personal preference
Thanks Dutch for the comment on running a safety. I came from a place that would teach guys to have their rifles on full auto on entry. Never felt good about it, and had a guy end up having a ND. I always trained to use the safety. Seems like if DELTA doesn't run around with their guns on fire, nobody else should.
What's the inverse of this? I'm watching TV in my living room and the door get's blown open; how do I survive? !8^)
Good talk
Thank you for the detailed information, explaining the safety on your rifle. Any tips on how to engage your safety ? Threat or no threat ?? The range ? I always use the safety, 2 shots, safety, 4 shots safety. Hopefully I'm explaining right. I USE TAPE ON MY THUMBS. thanks happy holidays to you and your family.
Great video on training to implement & survive entry,....it's some of the comments on the internet, (more than likely - coming from the most unathletic to ever inhabit the earth.....lol), that can kill the best trained men with laughter.....Thanks fer sharing.
Awesome 😎
A long time ago when “load” meant ‘put the musket between your knees and reach for you powder horn’ I thought why the fuck am I being taught this on a magnetic board with magnetic sticky things ?
Horrendous outdated tactics 😅
I thought at first glance that the title read “Cornfed” and maybe was specific to clearing houses in Iowa …
The US military invented combat clearance and the Special Forces perfected it.
Gee. It almost looks like you guys have done this before. Thanks.
Athletic entry.
Points of Domination.
Clinton Eastwood quote.
Priceless.
Thanks. Now I know exactly how the fed will enter my room from the corner.
I can tell Dutch is a dad, those are dad style presentations.
Seems like these guys have done this a time or two...
Keep looking - his “arms” are there somewhere! 😂
Agent Angle of Accuracy on Accelerated Advantages
He’s a no-shoot (unarmed). 😉
I always think...why would you ever go dynamic unless it's a hostage rescue? Seems like the exposure is tremendously greater.
It’s all the same once you get into the room. To answer your question the why is speed. Your in a hurry so surprise, speed, and good old violence of action are warranted.
Dorr… way too funny and distracted me
I am once again asking what mag pouches Dutch has on his belt
TYR
1:50....priceless. relatable
These 2 are the most fun of the Channel!
20%
Thanks, helpful info.
Thanks
Great instruction
Very smooth on transition
Thanks
badass
Excellent!!
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Thank you Dutch for pushing the proper safety! To many clowns out there teaching very unsafe techniques! RLTW
Gun retraction is a silly concept IMO. You don't really gain an advantage since they will see the muzzle before you regardless.
In my experience of over 1000 hits against a potentially armed enemy the gun retraction works very well while you button hook into the unknown.
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@@dutchchristophermoyer2856 Honestly, I find 10k hard to believe. That would have to be one engagement everyday for over 27 years. Regardless, how do you know it works compared to not doing it is my question. If you never do both ways an equal amount of times, how do you know which one works better? Rhetorical question. I don't think you do know for sure.
@@dutchchristophermoyer2856 I’ll take your word over others anytime, Brother.
@@pathos1988 I don’t think he was being literal with his 10,000 number, it’s hyperbole, but I’m sure he has done this for real more than most people. Lol you’re and adult you don’t have to take his advice, but you are the one watching him.
you guys are great! how do you clear three rooms from a short hallway
Great insight