Assaulter Handgun History with "Coch" and Dorr
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- Опубліковано 9 лип 2024
- Retired Navy SEALs "Coch" and Dorr take a trip down memory lane as they talk about the various secondary weapon systems they've used throughout their careers.
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If I win the billion dollar lottery I am hiring Coch and Dorr just to listen to their stories!
Same here.👊🏾🪖🇺🇸✝️
I agree. Best in some nice pub with cold beers on table.
@@wubaru what is the billion dollar lottery?
Coch anyway
Nah I'm hiring Clint Smith to yell all crazy
So glad full videos are back. Shorts are nice but love full Coch and Dorr videos.
"Don't like double action cause they were raised on soy." PRICELESS😂😂😂 Thanks for another great video guys!
You know, I used to work at the factory that made the first “Tickle me Elmo”. I didn’t work there very long because I misunderstood when they told me I had to give each one two test tickles.
@@bevans7772 this is top teir
The old man carried a Browning HP in the ‘80s and during Desert Storm flying F-14s. He always thought it was better to have 15rds of 9mm in the magazine rather then the 7 you got with the .45 or 6 you got with the .38special. After Desert Storm and up until GWOT, he carried an M9 in the cockpit.
Was he modifying the mags? All High-powers came from the factory with 13rd mags from inception until production stopped. The new copies from Springfield Armory come with 15rd mags. That's the first I've ever heard of 15rd mags before a few years ago.
Than, not then.
@@corvetteguy1980 he was right.
@@michaelbishop8024I believe the old Inglis Canadian ones had 14 round mags. I have a German Occupation Hi-Power with the finicky 13 rounders with the aluminum followers. Beautiful pistol with a great point of aim.
He might of, I’d have to ask him.
45 holes make invisible souls
1:18 That is a CLASSIC photo! 😂 Those Maglights!
I recently watched a video by Jeff Gurwitch explaining how SFs got the Glock 19 instead of a 17 full size. Kinda makes sense in a military decision making, ass backwards way. The video was 1 or 2 years old. You guys know already. Anybody else… check it out. The best advice you guys gave was in the last 2 mins of the video.
Gentlemen, thank for your history lesson. I am 70 yrs old. I worked for the Army for 43 yrs, 6 months and 19 days. I never heard a shot fired in anger, until I was a civilian with the Army and then it was at a distance. If I were lucky enough to win the lottery of life again, I would love to do 30 yrs with a SEAL team, if I could make it through training. I would join the Navy and just keep trying to be a SEAL until I made it, if they would let me. When I worked for the Army my issued hand guns were the 1911, S&W Mdl 10 .38 Spl revolver, M11 (Sig P228) and the M18; however, before we were issued the M18 we were allowed to carry our own guns and I carried a P320 Compact RX with a Romeo 1 optic. I truly envy you your careers and sincerely thank you for your service to our Constitution and to our Freedom.
P226 was my first handgun. Still my only handgun besides my ccw. Thousands of rounds. Zero failures. Still the sexiest handgun on the planet imo.
Just sent in for my 5th CPL permit 5 years each. 226 been on my hip 16/7/365 as a land surveyor for 20 years now. Well it was a W german 220 for the first 6 years. Why give up all that training, experience, practice for a different platform? My 226 did have to go in recent 40% failure in DA. I wore out the main spring and firing pin spring. Many many 1000's of rounds.
I agree totally.
@@user-jv4ic8rh4d what caliber was your 220? How did you like it?
PSP had basically all but adopted the 320 when it went off on camera in an investigator's safariland holster designed for the firearm. On camera. PSP tried to talk to SIG about it and got a canned response. No PSP trooper can carry the 320 on or off duty due to SIG basically telling them to go fuck themselves. They went with the PDP instead.
Not a good strategy telling the end user to F off. In todays society that will spread like wild fire on social media and cost you customers. And rightly so.
@@stevewilson7819the fire has already started and is growing in intensity!
Yup, I've watched it happen too.
The issue with the 320 is that it's not holster safe. That's the issue. They can get away with shitty Indian steel and shitty polymer since the shit materials are still good enough, but the fact that it needs a manual safety to be holster safe is unacceptable. Just put a little Douglass on the trigger like damn near every other striker fired handgun has so a noodle limbed kid can't set the gun off by kicking a holster, and it's on par with glock. Or steal from old Walther, and make the the thing a DA/SA striker. It would give them the opportunity to add an SCD stock to the slide so you get the best of all worlds.
There's a saying that goes well with that mechanical safety discussion..."the two most terrifying sounds are a bang when it should have gone click, and click when it should have gone bang."
Finally! Love this kind of video from you guys!
Probably one of the best videos you guys have put out in a awhile. Very enjoyable! The shorts have been great.
I wasn't a fan of the M9, I carried one for years in the Navy I got plenty of time with it, I absolutely hated the slide mounted safety/decocker. I got to a point where there was no one in any of my units that could beat my score with it. When I found the Taurus PT92AF I was sold on it immediately. It's better ergonomics, better sights, better frame mounted safety, came with a light/laser rail years before Beretta offered one, plus it has 17+1 capacity instead of 15+1 for the Beretta. Now they've finally put out the X series with the frame mounted safety so that's the only Beretta I would consider owning. I got to work with the jump master (Taz) at Team 5 for awhile I enjoyed my time working there.
I really enjoy these trips down memory lane. Coch & Dorr adding their stories and experiences is value added. Thanks guys!
Looking for the front sight when using RMR!
Absolutely correct! 20 years of LE then they switch us to RMR. Once I figured out it is easier to focus on front sight the dot would come into view. Made it easier to learn. Reps Reps Reps! Thanks for great content and your service!
Yes we’ve been in need of a good long coch and dorr video
Everyday a school day had both an original 1911 and an A1 as well as a browning highpower, loved them all. ( still shot better with a S&W 66)Never thought about the crud getting around the firing pin. Again, this shows the learning points from those in the know who have been there. It's always such a pleasure to watch. Interesting, educational, and entertaining. If you two go on a stage tour, I will be straight to Heathrow to get over to see you. Thank you both.
Great video, guys. Thank for stressing training! A lot of great information!
great topic. Interesting to hear about this evolution.
I really like the “matter of fact” way you guys put it out there. Knowing that your abilities vs. my abilities are far different, it’s nice to not have an old cops nose rubbed in to the old 1911 holster while asking “why are you still running this old gun”. Both of you guys come off as good ole boys that are happy to pass some knowledge. Thank you for that.
So, were you guys forbidden from calling the Browning Hi-Power by its name ?
This is the first time i have seen this type of video! I’ve been needing this. Thank you
We have plenty on the channel. Thx for posting
When I was a kid I'd watch Magnum PI sporting that big ole 45 in mean times. That impression stuck.
This was such a great watch, these guys have so much insight and experience.
'You were raised on soy'...thank you, made my day. Will be using this at work. Love my 220 and 226.
Ya know that same bullett technology that has brought 9mm up to an effective caliber today has also been applied to .45acp. Just did some testing a fewweeks ago... 9mm 124gr hst expanded to .69.... 45acp hst expanded to .94. 9mm winchester ranger t plusp expanded to .65.... 45acp ranger t plusp expanded to 1.04". So basically a modern 9mm hp will expand to what early 90s 45s did.... but modern 45s are absolute golfballs. 1" inch slugs looking for a home. I carry a glock 19 but i shoot my 1911 more and am better with it and it stands as my bedside gun next to the ar. Pistol bulletts only destroy the tissue they come into contact with so the bigger heavier bullet the better. Tradeoffs. capacity, shootability, skill etc etc. pistol and caliber selection is a personal choice, but as someone whose recently gotten into 45 and was always a 9mm guy... i can respect what the 45 brings to the table.
Same here, but some can't handle the recoil of a .45. We had guys in my company who were horrible with the 1911, but when we switched to the M9, they qualified expert. 3-4 on target beats 1 on target and 2 in the atmosphere. 👊🏾🪖🇺🇸✝️
I've seen too many videos of 9mm mag dumps that didn't stop the threat.
Been saying this since the “9mm is as effective as larger calibers” trend started around 2016/2017. Never made any sense and your logic is spot on. The other thing I love is “kinetic energy doesn’t matter”. Well, if that was true every 9mm fan would be using a .380 to save weight and add capacity. As time goes on it becomes more apparent that the industry has definite trends to maximize revenue.
Something I've been kinda geeking out over myself is the 10mm auto. It's projectile size is just under a .41 magnum and it's velocity and foot-poundage is akin to a .357 magnum. As someone who grew up shooting .357, I'm quite pleased to find an autoloader cartridge with the same oomph to it. Plus a 15-round magazine of 10mm is almost like having two and a half cylinders worth of .357 magnum. Last I checked, there's only one or two loads of .357 mag in existence that can pull more velocity or ft/lbs than a 10mm load, and it's a negligible difference.
@@corycarlson8712 *bullets … one t
Great vid! The G19 was my side arm on duty, and it's still my favorite EDC.
Excellent advice
Awesome fun video, please remake more old videos like this with coch & dorr
Great video! Very informative and a lot of fun! Your BTDT came through eloquently.
“Rogue Warrior” reference? #DoomOnYou
Good stuff. Thanks for posting.
Great info.
I really enjoyed this video. I have every weapon on the table except the M17. I'm old now and I went to the P365 platform.
Thanks guys! My only pistola that has a safety is a .22 cal just for fun gun. Good video!
I'm one of the weird people that like the M9. I went in in 1992 and first qualified with the M9 in 1994, carried it till Retirement in 2012. I had a personal 1911 when I first shot the M9 and fell in love the M9. I loved the ability to go single or double action. I loved the de-cocker (way better than riding a hammer down on a loaded pistol). As far as the safety goes, it just wasn't an issue for me. I can flip a safety off or on just as quick on an M9 as I can on an AR. I now have an M18 as my main "combat hand gun" and the safety is very similar the M9, a Non issue. And as a Civ now. If I dont wanna use it I dont have to...But I do. Only Reason I didn't go with the Beretta M9A4 was price.
It's not a bad gun, just old. As Indiana Jones would say, "it belongs in a museum"! M17 was a much needed upgrade.
I was issued a 40 S&W p226 rail for the 10 years in LE with a tlr1. We eventually switched over to the choice of a Glock 22/23 in 40, Then a 17 9mm doing contract inmate Transport. There is still something nice about that SA pull of a metal da/sa. Really like my Jerichos and CZ P01. But I run all kinds of handguns. I’ve been a on budget kick lately getting psa daggers like legos.
Amen to training, I carried a sig for decades I liked that 12 pound first pull mine went to 3 1/2 on follow ups but your best friend with a sig is a q tip pull that hammer back and run 1 through
I use a Sig P320 9mm for my concealed carry and have had zero issues, but like Coch said have your rifle and sidearm as much as teenager has their phone in their hand. Cheers Gentleman
"P226 til my casket drops." - Eazy-E (probably)
Absolutely love this duo right here! 💪🇺🇲🦅⚓🔱
Nice video guys. Thanks! New subscriber!
Good video 🇺🇸👍
I have the Ruger LC9. Most combat ready pistol I’ve ever had the privilege of shooting. Got about 250 rounds down range so far with only about 20 malfunctions. Glock and Sig will never measure up.
Educational and entertaining
Love my P226, and have for over 20 years, but I’m a 40/357 sig guy. Not a fan of 9mm. I also still love my P229 40 and G36 in 45 ACP.
"Don't look for the red dog look for the front site "
Heard that part
Gem 💎
🎯 awsome video
Always enjoy these walks down memory lane with Coch and Dorr. 1) IMO no gun collection is complete without a gov’t. model 1911. 2) I have never owner (and not likely to own) a Beretta. 3) LOVE my mil surplus 226 “Navy” - best pistol I own and I shoot it better than any of my others even at long distance. 👍 to the “Mk25” 😉. 4) I opted for the G45 vs a G19 and it seems to solve that issue Coch mentioned about the blood blistering at the base of the mag area. 5) Lastly, I have the M-17 and really like that platform too - and in all the hours it has sat by itself at home it has never once “gone off” on its own - it seems to only fire when I pull the trigger - go figure! Keep up the good work Boyz! 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
I went from S&w revolver to a smith 3906 on duty. We always used the safety only as a decocker. Last issue weapon was a Glock 40
Left to Right: Anthony Michael Hall, James Spader, Emelio Estevez.
What movie?
TY T.Z
Great video! Thanks for sharing - I'm a fan of each of the secondaries discussed! Why the Glock 19 versus the Glock17 - that doesn't make sense to me - better sight radius and 2 more rounds in the standard magazine.
I had to carry the M9... 1970s technology... It worked! I did training w/it and used a SERPA while deployed. A good and solid tool. Just a bit on the heavy side. Personally, I use Glocks. A bit lighter just as reliable and effective. Train train train.
The Glock 30 did the same to me. 3 or 4 sessions with blood blisters got it gone.
Navy seals are awesome
Also, my psa ar15 has about 300 rounds through it. Only a few malfunctions. I’ll take that over a DD or a Geissele any day.
Like to hear which striker fired handguns you two would carry as a secondary in besides the current military issue.
Single Action or Double Action as Long It Jumps My Heart near 200 BPM and Goes Bang I'm having Fun.
I agree on the Glock 19 finger bite. I throw a low profile magwell on all my 19s because of it
work with mantis dry fire needed
Thanks Coch and Dorr! :) :us
Coch, I have the same problem with my Glock 23. I had to install a magwell flare to solve the pinching ( I know you know this)..
Coch, did you ever roll with a Smith&Wesson 66 or a 686?
Will you guys please do a review on the new Sig P365 Fuse? Then side by side compare it with the X Macro?
The 17, 19 for small hands
I'm ok with the P226 SAO Legion. Not a fan of the DA half of the trigger. I prefer a much more consistent trigger pull. I tried the DA/SA P226. Also, I had an issue with the physical de-cocker, using 1 hand. The SAO trigger with the manual safety does exactly what I expect it to do. Then again, I'm just a veteran and not an operator, rolling around dirt and grime.
Did you have various choices in ammo or was it all fmj ball?
Mk25 ftw
interesting point about hollow points, i wonder how the regulation was about 5.56 mk262 open tip
The US never signed The Hague Convention prohibiting the use of expanding bullets. And some DOD JAG handed down a legal opinion prior to Desert Shield saying that the Sierra Matchking bullet is not an expanding bullet. It’s designed that way for aerodynamic performance.
Now pistol JHP’s are on a whole different level. Regardless it’s nice that we can use them. It’s way more humane. And we’re all about humanity.
What is the new buzzword after "assaulter"? I like to plan ahead in my tacticool jsrgon.
That Glock 19x sure seems like a good idea these days.
Great video but why aren't the H&K used P2000 etcetera
Man, no coverage of the Mk23, or the subsequent use of the usp-t/usp-ct/hk45?
I don’t think people actually deployed with them except rare circumstances.
great info!! i just want to know how old Dorr is tho?? i think i heard him say he wasnt born before 1985!!!
Tho is not a word.
Though
Awesome 😎
Which does best hitting body armor?
It really struck me, the "free fall" comment, and the thought of the realism that you have both probably seen "free fall"/reserve chute situations, and you both*survived*, here to talk about it... That's a "non-trivial" reality.
Is it ok if I get the RMR and train and buy ammo? That's what I'm doing. The red dot is a game changer with my "getting older eyes".
Of course. Good luck and have fun.
🔥🔥🔥🔥
I'm just here for the trigger confidence in the thumbnail.
Great video guys! Carried the M9 in the GWOT no complaints. Love your point on Sig… guns just don’t go off. Me and half my company purchased Gen 1 P320s back in the day after our final deployment on post and none have had an issue. Competence prevent desk pops 😉
@@larryleqend Didn’t they lose a lawsuit for it though?
@@tyronejackson6593 That just means a lawyer scared the jury.
Quit lying you weren't in the military
Video about all 9mm glock gens and what's best. Ty
Did you guys ever see HK MK23 and MK24 Mod 0? Any thoughts? I have read that a lot of guys in the seals did not like the mk23 as it is a huge gun, but the mk24 mod 0 solved a lot of the size issue.
Yes both were used. But for specific reasons and not very often. Thx for posting
@@tacticalhyvecadre1049 may I ask what specific reason? I know that the mk23 was designed to be used as a primary weapon, but what role would a person be using a pistol as a primary weapon? Especially if that person is an assaulter, as the development program for the MK23 was called "The offensive handgun program."
@@Vergil598 one example of how it was used, snipers in Iraq would clear their way to their shooting position in the building using the Mark 23 suppressed. It was smaller than an M4 and quiet if you had to use it.
Mk23, better known as the crew served pistol…
My safety is always switched on and between my ears. Training, Training, and more Training. Their is no replacement for.
There, not their.
Why no mention of Mk24 AKA HK45c @TacticalHyve
Those are meant to be used for specific purposes. They were never issued to every guy for the 2ndary role. Thx for posting.
@@tacticalhyvecadre1049 So basically, when quite .45 was wanted, but not worried about leaving obvious US .45 brass behind right...What did most the team guys thought on it or Dorrs thoughts that would be liked. Not sure if they ever used 220s or 30s .45s too. Also, didn't Dorr allude to he knows 2 .45's even 230 FMJ ball to chest can get a quick reaction, and weren't they also using 185+ Hollows as well in WOT at times & Bin Laden Raid...
I haven't seen videos from these guys for at least 6 months????
Blame UA-cam, which suppresses the reach of their videos. I'm subscribed and have notifications on, but I never get notified by UA-cam. I have to check for new videos all the time.
Careful theyll string yall up for the bullet tech commemts. Folks did not like it when i told people fmj wasnt a viable defense round and that better options exist. Good video
Give it a rest already
Thanks for the real world CQB handgun history lesson! Love the 1911 but recognize more capacity, modern ammo out of a more modern platform is the way to go. The Glock changed the handgun world.
I love my Mark 25 P226, great pistol that can handle salt water!
I know Coch is not a stock Glock fan…but I love my 43x for summer and 19 gen5 for cold times. …and my 30s if I’m feeling frisky. 😉😅
What about the guy that was shot in leg and won the law suite?
pic at @1:20 goes super hard.
Imagine if they had something complex like an F18. A bore.
In Russian browning is the word for pistol.
The Marine Corps just got rid of their 1911s like three or four months ago
14:43 you almost flagged him
A great video and that's all you see. Lol nice man.
You know it's funny. In the seven years that I've owned two P-320's they never have seen to go off except for when I pulled the trigger. Maybe I'm doing something wrong but one is sitting on my desk and hasn't seen fit to go off on it's own.
@@c.r.chandler5905 that gun is still hot trash, it makes a good range toy. I would not carry that on duty
@@Whistleblower_832 my local P.D. issues them which mrans they have hundreds of them carried 24/7 with absolutely ZERO problems....
Two men who would be great to be friends with.
No usp eh