An Uncontroversial Opinion - AMD RX 6600 XT Announcement
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- Опубліковано 10 лип 2024
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AMD’s latest - but perhaps not greatest - GPU has finally been officially confirmed, but the GPU isn’t the big news... What does this mean for the GPU market as a whole?
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CHAPTERS
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0:00 Intro
1:00 The Radeon RX 6600 XT
2:05 GPU pricing has been rising...
3:00 Thanks Ngreedia
4:12 Mo DRAM, mo problems
6:05 Raw deal on materials
7:09 Tariff Trump card
7:45 Shorted on silicon
9:03 Some good news for once... Sort of
9:45 The 6600 XT and the conclusion - Наука та технологія
For those non-Chinese speakers, the caption at the start literally says "Yeah! Take bras off!"
Surprisingly it sounds very close to China Joy, so props to either Dennis or Andy.
Activision/Blizzard moment
@TommyInnit ᨆ I expected a muslim prayer video, I'm dissapointed
I don't get the joke tho
@@jerma984 HAHAHA
No, not take, it should be ripping off the bra lmao
It’s midnight, but this seems more important.
ok
I wish i can buy you
Its 4 am to me and this js what i needed
Agreed mr graphics card
Same
AIBs increasing the price. Meanwhile retailers are increasing on top of that extra price
all thanks to linus
That's called margin
Your pfp is sus
It is Nvidia's fault though. The launch prices of the 3000 series were never the real cost of their cards. That pricing was there to give Nvidia a good look in front of the press during product reviews, and Nvidia just produced a small quantity so that the losses they took were not too significant. Their cooler design was insanely expensive after all. The real cost of the cards and the cooling required to handle their incredible power draw was passed onto the AIB's to make it work. That is why they're looking for alternative forms of business such as selling GPU's to retailers packaged with other products they make, such as PC accessories, to bring in revenue.
As a consumer, the only card you can play is the “walk away” card.
Is the Walk Away card from nVidia or AMD? Are the specs good?
@Lewis qwepoo he is playing dumb like a dumb one
@Lewis qwepoo 🅱️laying dum🅱️
Cant NVIDIA and AMD just remove the parts of GPU that miners need? They have billions of USD, cant they do something?
@@fynkozari9271 why would they do that? more sells for them.
**looks over at the GTX 1080 he's had for 5 years** It's gonna be you and me a little while longer, buddy.
Same exact situation as me… I want to upgrade but it seems impossible these days…
U can get rtx 3060tis for 500$ rn
It's still a really good card. Even better than the 2060 in terms of vram. Especially with now FSR being applied to many games and actually looking pretty good when upscaled to 1440p, I feel like the 1080 can still last a few more years, even at 1440p.
Same for me with my RX480, high fps 1080 is bringing her to her knees unfortunately.
@@supersop1367 Fuckin no you can't lmao
Linus looks like he's evolving into a working class man from middle america with that beard, hat, hair combo
I think that means he is finally a billionaire
@TommyInnit ᨆ hi fake tommyinnit
@TommyInnit ᨆ y r u gae
@TommyInnit ᨆ imagine trying to be a minor when ur a 40 year old man lmao
the mullet 🥵
I feel SO LUCKY that I decided to build my computer right before the pandemic and shortages started. I can't imagine even trying to source all of the parts at "reasonable prices" by todays standards.
I was lucky enough to get a 5900x on Amazon for msrp and a 3080 fe from microcenter.
@@jaredc5169 you just bought recently?
i got a 6600 xt for 550 today
Had to order a prebuilt 😅
@@NotOmen 😂😂😂 here in my country it’s available for 438 $
And on the December of 2022, the GPU prices has made sense for a while(at least in Indonesia), and I just bought myself an upgrade to RX 6600 from RX 470.
Just bought a 6600 xt 20 minutes ago lmao
@@fritzkueter7761 just bought one yesterday, tomorrow I can finally take my order.
Got a 6700XT under the original MSRP here in Indonesia. The world is healing.
@@evandevara dapet harga & merk apa bg?
Opinions?
In case you’re wondering, the subtitles in the beginning says “Yes, take off your bra”, which sounds like “yeah ChinaJoy” in Chinese
Yeah. I was stocked whether they really mean it (could mean take off the fan shroud in some particular context). 😂
Blizzard moment
@@jerma984 a certified blizzard moment
Where are you finding subtitles? I haven seen the CC option on an LTT video before. I figured they had disabled it or something.
@@sidd0123 they made the text in the video
That intro confused me for a bit- thought I accidentally got pranked by my friends; but realized that I don't have friends, and was watching a Linus vid.
Don’t be sad. I’ll add you on Friendster
*Linus:* “Crypto price falling has decreased demand in recent weeks”
*Crypto prices going up again:*
“See, I pulled a sneaky on ya”
It went up after Bezos started considering it for Amazon and Elon Musk said Tesla might take it again.
It's value is so flimsy it's cute lol
@@BlueEyedVibeChecker It's flimsy unless and until it starts getting adopted en masse, which is the great gamble of crypto I suppose.
nope. founder nvidia and amd cards are still HOT in demande.. stock last 1min its getting worse with LHR cards still being expensive...
Jim Halpert has just bought 100 RTX 3080 and 150 RX 6800 XT.
Hey Dwight, is the price of beets going up due to inflation? If so you can make a lot of green, I mean money.
So this is the AMD GPU that was originally envisioned for the $200 - 300 sweet spot. Thanks Covid, miners & scalpers. Looks like the most hated awards 2021 is going to a three way battle.
I... bruh... I think maybe covid is the worst out of all those by a huge freaking margin.
It's not just covid, miners, and scalpers. AMD's priority customers are console makers Sony and Microsoft, and system integrators like Dell and Lenovo. AMD learned from the past 5 years that no matter what it puts out, Nvidia's mindshare is just so strong that people will always an Nvidia product over an AMD one. So this isn't AMD fan's fault, but rather, the PC Master Race stupidly creating a monopoly(Nvidia and Intel) that loves to sell overpriced products featuring server-grade hardware that gamers don't need (Tensor cores). Thank goodness people have walked away from Intel, but Nvidia can sell a $2,000 4080 Ti and people will still buy it.
@@MarketAndChurch Right, I'm sure amd not having a product that could compete with the higher end nvidia cards had nothing to do with that...
There is no reason for them to be in competition. Make it a 3 way tie. They all suck and interact to make each other worse than they could be individually.
@@MarketAndChurch No DLSS was the reason I got a 3080 without second thought. And AMD FSR's new move being available on NVIDIA, while appreciated, I would still go 3080 without thinking again. I get FSR AND DLSS? Why would I pay a very similar price for similar raw performance, when one has an extra feature that can triple your FPS.
Oh boy can't wait till 2030 when gpus are 20 thousand dollars and I still have my intel HD 4000 graphics card
It will be the return of text-based adventures :D
@@hornsteinhof7592 the return of 16-bit OS's
I mean that’s nothing compared to price of bread of a thousand dollars.
@@hornsteinhof7592 LHX could still run! To the Choppa!
”拆奶罩“ is pronounced as "Chai Nai Zhao", which sounds like "ChinaJoy". It means taking one's bra off.
lmao
The fact is they actually used to inv a lot of whores to chinajoy back in the good old days
Then got warned by the gov
@@myronzhao4449 or more like caoplayers
Lol.
国人集合
kinda tired of these “BEAST 1080P” cards. The goddamn gtx 1660 is a 1080p beast. they need to start promoting 1440P for budget cards
Their are no "budget" cards now.
Depends what refresh rate we're talking about 1080p240 is roughly equivalent to 4k60 in raw data, though of course I know that's not exactly how it works
yeah 1440p is the new 1080p right now, mostly because 4k monitors with 120+ refresh rate are stupidly expensive.
It's both. But over 68% of gamers use 1080p displays (~9% for 1440p), so it makes sense to market this as a high refresh rate 1080p graphics card.
@@PseudoKnight if u got a decent pc not playing in 1440p is such a waste. unless you are playing really competitive games and cant get high fps with 1440p or dont mind* 60hz 4k
i got it for $400 and i love it my local micro center has multiple in stock and no 3000 series cards in stock and its working out great for me.
bruh im buying mine in a couple of days for 700 ur sooo lucky
@@nubistaken8540 Not trying to rub salt in the wound my dude but a few days ago I got my 6600XT for $339 at Micro Center
Got mine for 380 + 25 delivery, nice gpu
@@marcoscastrillo9697 i love it.
It's $320 right now not too bad
I hope we see more VAG cards soon…
Also this was probably the best GPU market overview LTT have done. Just the facts, not too much opinion… the market is so screwed.
>vag
Hihi vag cards
My wife uses the vag card to make me do stuff around the house.
Seems like actual vag is better than this shit.
Volkswagen Audi Group?
Me watching Linus tech tips when I don't have a computer
ok
Same here
Just chillin on Xbox heh heh…….f
same, my motherboard died like 2 weeks ago and my new one hadn't arrived :(
@@cracklord4057 F
I bought a 1080 ti years ago and I paired it with a 1080p ultra-wide monitor. I still game on most games at max settings with near 90 fps. I have no rush at all to update my rig
The 1080 ti was a fantastic deal for those who bought one in 2017. We're unlikely to see another card offering that sort of value for money for years.
Great video, I would be interested in more videos about build with currently available integrated graphics or older hardware.
You guys beat Steve by a whole 6 seconds. Kudos.
Better interwebz is key
10G intenet speed.
They have watercooled fiber optic/ethernet cables
Other Steve's (the DeWalt's one) bench is featured nicely in this video
in europe some cards are going back up and the 3080, despite being the most dropped card by far, STILL hasn't come down in price significantly...
Price will never come down, if people buy graphics cards at these insane prices. Supply and demand 101
That's simply not true. AMD Cards in Europe have been dropping for MSRP every Thursday for Months now. And Scalper Prices for these are barely over MSRP, for Reference Cards at least. 3080s went for over 2000€ a couple Months ago on Ebay. They're now being sold for around half that so i don't really understand what you mean with "STILL hasn't come down in price significantly" lol
@@C0dingschmuser Yep what's bringing the prices down of these cards is because nobody would want them if they keep releasing these new cards for no noticeable reason.
at least they are actually in stores in sufficient amounts, the prices are different story
@@C0dingschmuser Europe is a big place though. Prices in Ireland & UK vs Germany vs Italy or Hungary are wildly different, but it does go to show which distributors are scalping retailers/retailers are scalping us.
Yes, traditional solder is made out of tin and lead, but solder that is used in manufacturing is most of the time (if not all the time) lead-free. This kind of solder consists of like 98-99% of tin and the rest might be other metals like copper, so the price of lead is not high because of solder or does not effect price/availability of graphic cards.
I'm pretty sure the only place you're required to use lead-free solder is in plumbing. Leaded solder is a lot easier to work with so I don't see why they wouldn't use it in electronics where there's basically no downside to using lead. Just because it's better doesn't necessarily mean it's more used of course, but I would wonder why if it wasn't.
@@srkibble Yea lead free solder is harder to work with but what would it matter if the device wasn't built by hand but by machine?
@@srkibble The move to lead-free solder was prompted by the RoHS nearly 20 years ago. Most electronics end up in landfills after a few years, and the EU wished to mitigate hazardous substances leaching from e-waste.
@@srkibble Look on any modern circuit board for the RoHS logo. That means that the board in question is lead-free. Id wager 99% of consumer product boards are lead free now. The only people who can still use lead in their solder is the military and some critical medical devices.
@@srkibble a lot of countries now have reduction of hazardous substances regulations for imports and manufacturing of electronic goods.
I have used good quality lead free solders and they are fine.
"... thanks to scalpers and minors"
*shaking cane*
Dang kids get off my graphics cards!
miners**
@@Kino-Imsureq welcome to the joke
@@BuddahBlueMage ik but was just addressing that cuz sometimes adults think Gen Z is dumb and all which i kinda get after seeing commentary videos about Tw*tter and T*kT*k but still just because im Gen Z doesn't mean i can't be a 3D artist lol. Cause cgi requires generally a good computer specs and GPU is one of them. Since my amd radeon broke for some reason and now im confined to Intel i3 4 cores then really slow rendering lol and especially simulation and sculpting. Because of that now i can't finish blender guru anvil (require sculpt). :(
@@Kino-Imsureq You really don't need to share your life story for not getting a joke
@@BUCCIMAIN damn didn't even say "loser"
Linus: Another gpu that no one can afford.
Also linus:OR IS IT......
Me:OR IS IT.....*gets closer to the screen*.
Linus:yes it is.
Me: "I FEEL CHEATED"
I really don't understand this. There are people still buying RTX 3050 card. Do average gamers have no clue and don't pay attention to market or performance at all? RX 6600 is a better card. Clearly RTX 4050 is going to be priced like 1070ti once was, all while delivering maybe 5600XT like performance. It probably won't even match the 2070 super, and they are going to charge basically 2070 super prices for it. In other word, ZERO generational uplift. If you charge more cost for the performance you don't have generational uplift. Generational uplift is also market metric. If you could pay for anything then it doesn't matter because you could just stick Titans in 3 way SLI or purchase a supecomputer. Cost matters. Generational uplifft and Moore's Law predicate on same cost to SKU and performance level improve at each level per generation. If it simply cost the same, there is no improvement. Therefore Lovelace has worst generational improvement of graphic cards I can even remember.
Etherium already is gone so there is no reason to charge like this. It's just stupid. It doesn't matter if you can afford them if it is shitty product with shitty prices. Fermi runs cooler than 40 series cards. FERMI is cool compared to it. And it cost so much more money. Basically it is like buying RDNA 1 and Turing cards. The whole point was to make 4k gaming a reality anyway, but clearly affordable 4k gaming was technically possible, but the megacorps made it impossible again. I could have paid thousands of dollars for 2080ti SLI with 1200w PSU and overheating 900k CPU and $900 monitor years ago. It's still high TDP, high cost, just new names.
Status of the GPU market: Dumpster fire
It's not controversial, Linus.
That's why the video is called "An Uncontroversial Opinion"
Did you buy GTX 1080Ti and 5700XT below 400? Shame on you and me for more missed the opportunity.
Judging by the reaction of the community on his statements on 3080 Ti pricing, it apparently is.
The last time I felt good about a card launch was the 10 series. The 20 series was super expensive and darkened by the fact that raytracing was not yet widely implemented in software. And of course now we have the 30 series that was supposed to be a great, nicely priced launch... but, well, here we are. I really want tech to be exciting again.
If there wasn't a shortage, the 3060TI would've been the shit compared to Pascal (1070 launched at $450 in 2016).
now we have the 40 series and well.... yeah its the oppsite of exciting imo
I'm so glad I got my 1070 just before prices got untenable, it's thankfully still going strong (yeah, it's not the creme de la creme, but I could at least enjoy all the games so far I've thrown at it). I honestly don't know what I'd do if I had to buy a new one tomorrow, it's no longer "what's the best one I can afford at my budget", it's "what's the least bad price I can find for my minimum requirements"
0:00 As a Taiwanese viewer, that fake cc subtitle definitely got me trolled!
害我還以為他們開始提供中文字幕 xD
Trolled an Hong Konger here too
Ahh Dennis~~~
I am paying about 5% attention to this announcement as it runs in the background as I don't expect to be able to even find this product in the store or online at any time in the near future.
Yup another paper release.
amd cards seem somewhat in stock, microcenter has actual inventory on the 6700xt and 6900xt, no 6800 and 6800xt's but this one might actually stay low but i doubt i'll see it for less than 700$
you dont want this crappy chip for 400usd anyway
I have at least seen the rtx 3060 in some German stores now, but for 500+€, I am gonna say no thanks
I remember those times when the gpu videos where all about their performance and if it was a great choice for gamers. Now all we see is pricing and how we are probably not gonna be able to get one
This is a great analysis of the chip shortage and economical side of the gpu market (and other eletronics). It sure helped me understand it. Thanks LTT :)
As fun as it is to follow the GPU-shortage drama, the reality is that you can still play most current games on the GTX1000 series and even lower.
i have a 940mx and i feel that it and lag together are not letting me get better at valorant, im stuck at iron- bronze since january
My 1070 Ti I bought used 2 years ago chews through anything I throw at it, it's great. Even let's me dabble with blender renders with reasonable render times.
@@scorch527 Mine was great until I started trying to play at 4k but it is still a very solid 1440p performer in newer games and can play older games at 4k. I bought mine at the end of 2019 and man am I glad that I got it then instead of just waiting for 30xx series.
Unless you're on anything above 1080p. Then not so much.
@@XxTheProElitexX Yep. If your monitor is above 1080p you are definitely not gonna have fun if you have a low-mid end card from the 10 series or older in most modern titles, especially AAA titles.
"Global economic rebound"
Thanks, Linus, I haven't laughed that hard in ages.
I like your MTG card art profile pic
Lol I thought the same thing, we’re a long way off before hoping for that
gonna try to get this btw i love hearing you talk about the market
Hey linus. Loving the fact that you now put your sponsers at the end of your videos.
Tl;dw: The good ol' age of affordable gaming seems to be gradually on the decline.
Right as I'm finally independent from my family and able to make my own money. Guess my dual core Athlon will have to suffer for a few more years when I finally win the lottery and get a 20 year old 750ti
What needs to happen is people need to stop buying expensive gpus. They'll keep hiking while people keep buying.
Which is why I highly recommend people to buy a console(not scalped) or try to have a good internet connection for streaming services like GeForce Now rather than paying scalper prices for GPUs.
We still have integrated graphics for budget gamers, get that sweet 30fps at 720p minimum graphics
@@santhoshsridhar5887 or go second hand market. Plenty of people will sell systems without too much knowledge of the components inside
I hear Anthony in the writing..
And yeah, apparently he's the writer of the video script
This is the right way forward, a larger number of smaller cards is what helps because the supply situation is quantity not quality. Reducing the average price of GPUs with GPUs such as the 6600 XT is what truly helps.
Jensen just wants to murder the used market. Because you can't keep mafia cartel prices with many used cards flooding market, that is why they made cheap shitty mining cards without display out, locked down crap that would be directly ewaste than fall into gamer hands, and funniest thing they clearly put those 12gb of VRAM onto 3060 just because it was originally meant to be in mining racks probably. That made 3060 the more attractive mining card, opposed to 3060ti and 3070 which had fewer VRAM. At least I can think no other reason for cripple the 3060ti, 3070, 3070ti, and 3080 but still put adequate VRAM onto 3060, unless they think 3060 performance will age so poorly enough you begin having frame drop before hitting the VRAM issue. I swear they design these to break.
I think they will make shitty thing like Stadia and geforce NowTM into mandatory features by pricing all card out of the market until only oligarchs can afford to own GPU, then make GPU as a subscription service so they fully control all monopoly supply on hardware, I mean physically control it like some NATO country murdering Gaddafi to physically steal and hoard Libyan gold. This will eliminate the need to find sneaky weird shit to cripple and destroy their used market, if there is no used market anymore. Thank God Intel and AMD was still there. Problem, if people stupidly keep buying crapcard liek 3050 and 1630 or even pay for GT710 for some psychotic reason and consumers are too ignorant. That is why these companies want gullible childlike consumers, the physical child is the model consumer, irrational, stupid, impulse driven, over emotional and not logical, forgetful, self absorbed, easily influenced by company propaganda. The worst thing to happen to tech companies is tech journalism exposing their failings to the market. Sadly so many these companies fail(((( from Gigabyte to MSI anything, ASRock throwing a butthurt at their shitty cheap board, nVidia and Apple anything, Dell and HP anything, increasingly Lenovo act like HP you know Legion now have proprietary shitboard too? So don't buy a Lenovo prebuilt either. Or maybe it was Asus started doing that too.
It seems like it would be wise to have more producers of products like RAM and silicon chips.
The fact that there are so few manufacturers also drives up prices.
Me, as a Chilean: Yiay! Cooper prices are sky-rocketing as never before
Me, as a Gamer: GPUs needs Cooper u.u
Those miners culiaos have us up to the hueas, my washo.
Fuerza manito
I was expecting to upgrade my pc next year but seems like I am cagado with this precios culiaos
Who is Cooper?
@stronk stonks All chilean economy depends of price copper
Those gpus look like they were added in after effects or something, particularly the 3070
He didn't knock it over so most likely added in editing lol.
@@Viperbird17 🤣
@@592Johno same
Nah, it's the angle + the camera lens. The perspective got distorted.
Now I see it I can’t unsee it lol
Good economic report Mr. Linus. I will await price drops before getting my hands on any new GPUS.
Thank you.
@9:17 - "Hey, I recognize that desktop!"
Hello, Hardware Unboxed. :)
An uncontroversial opinion? Honestly that’s controversial.
0:01 "Yay, take off bras!" (The caption)
Well then, which editor did that little sneaky? XD
I was like WTF!? xd
One thing you missed is in australia apparently we only have one or 2 distributors that our computer shops buy from and they are driving up the prices locally here or so all the lead computer franchises claim here.
Linus when you get one of the 6600XT cards could you please do a comparison to a 5700XT card and see if their the same in most respects? I'm very interested to know if replacing my 5500XT card could worth it at all.
Buy from LTT store... There are no tariffs there (he said), and Europe laughs, because Europe knows
For the $30 water bottle I paid almost 50€(Shipping, tax)
@@karlleego2513 jesus Christ
rtx 4000 is probably more viable than getting an rtx 30 series card at this point lol
@TommyInnit ᨆ the fuck is that
@@darko1899 something you probably shouldn't click on
@@darko1899 its coming next year 5nm gpu. Its 2x faster.
@@darko1899 nvm i thought u asking rtx4000.
@@jeffnaval4894 Please don't spout crap like it's 2x faster. It's mostly for working application and it probably isn't going to be even that.
I just ordered one of these, I'm upgrading from a RX 580. I got my 6600 xt for $229 on newegg. Amazing value compared to what I'm running right now.
Another card you can't afford because of miners and scalpers
"Or is it?"
"Yes it is"
Stop playing with my heart like that 😭. Atm I am praying to all the Gods my 1050ti doesn't break down, so I can still play old, indie and esports games.
Outside of praying I would start monitoring these 3 temps with hwinfo:
GPU temperature:
Shouldn't exceed 70 C degrees
GPU Hot Spot:
Shouldn't exceed 83 C degrees
GPU VRM:
Shouldn't exceed 80 C degrees
If these are higher put new thermal paste on it or use MSI afterburner and put fans at higher speed.
If you keep your temps at a good range, your card will last a LONG time. I have a gtx 570 that I absolutely slaughtered with games at a young age (played demanding games like ARK survival evolved, assetto corsa, mc with tons of mods, etc. And it's still kicking in my secondary pc today. As long as you dont fry it (at least any worse than I did) dont worry buddy
_Cries in Vega 8_
You can play any game with a 1050ti
I mean, the 1050Ti, which I've got myself too, is STILL the most used video card by steam players worldwide..
Me watching an old Linus video: *gets notification for new video* Ah yes time to see bearded Linus
6:45 small correction: tin and lead make up most popular consumer solder, but lead usage on a large scale is limited according to WEEE and RoHS, so they would use something lead-free like tin-silver-copper (SnAgCu), though the point about increasing metal prices still stands.
Not sure what lead is still used for. I'm not sure I want to know, to be honest.
@@armadillito You can read about it on Wiki en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead#Applications, but in short mostly:
ICE car batteries (lead-acid), protective shielding around short wavelength radiation, ammunition, some power cables sheeting, additives to alloys for better mechanical characteristics (and of course, as mentioned before, solder, though only for personal and small scale use).
@@bar10005 AVGAS is actually still leaded as well, believe it or not. And I think some of the race fuel they use in drag racing might be leaded, but that’s incredibly limited use.
@@levygaming3133 Yeah, forgot about AVGAS, but it's important to point out that AVGAS is only used in piston engines, so typically smaller aircrafts, jet engines don't need lead and use unleaded Jet A or Jet A-1, so while it's still bad that we burn leaded AVGAS above our heads and we should aim at a replacement, it's on somewhat smaller scale.
I really wanted to get updates on this bro ! Thanks Linus
I've saved up for an almost complete PC overhaul with new GPU, CPU, PSU and bigger M.2 for boot-drive. I resently realized that GPUs was not gonna get a decent price any time soon, and I REFUSE to buy from scalpers; So about half of my saved budget for my upgrade has now gone to upgrading my home network with CAT 6a, a small rack with a new switch, storage for rasberry pis for a few servers i've been running virtualy from my NAS and ofc. freshen up my connection to my NAS in the process. I've also introduced some custom security, so any non-whitelistet machine on my network will recive a gift of love and attention from me and my software. ;-)
It is coded to not leave my network on its own, but DAMN I do not wanna be that dude that trys to break in!
I'd like to be the one to point out that at the beginning of all this that just a few months before the 30 series cards launched. That everyone was talking about how anyone that just upgraded their GPU to a 20 series card would feel pretty dumb about doing so at the time. As of the 30 series launch I had just gotten my 2080 TI roughly 9 months prior. Let me tell you... I sure am happy that I got it when I did.
So happy i told my friend to go to best buy when their was 1 left in stock last summer his other friend was telling him not to i for real called him up on the phone and was like yelling at him lol as i knew he wanted to play flight sim so effing bad when it hit the market and that same day he went.
Yup, I decided to get a 2060 Super because of the NVENC encoder and I figured I'd just sell it to get a 30 series card when those came out instead of waiting. Turns out the 20s weren't a waste, after all.
2080ti is still an incredible card, basically on par with my 3070. I did get mine from a scalper. On the plus side it was $700, then the following week scalpers were asking like $1200, because the shortage just started. Half the msrp of a new 2080ti, with roughly the same performance. I Can't even be mad.
Title: "An Uncontroversial Opinion"
Linus in the video: "I DONT HAVE ANY OPINION!!!!"
This channel has lost any originality it had, at least 3 years ago.
Better than his 'controversial' take on the damn 3080ti lol
@Scroonga wtf you said the p word
At this point, that’s the only kind of opinion that’s not controversial, so the title fits.
Yeah this channel is just click bait
7:36 Don’t say that Linus! You never know when US will put LTT merch on tariff list too!
Thank you for reporting based on research and analysis and not spouting the same old rehashed complaints and assumptions, which they simply mimicked from every other so-called tech UA-camrs. Keep up the great and intelligent work!
As someone who understands Chinese, the subtitle when they said Chinajoy scared me to instantly switch tabs
Pronounce same as Chinajoy
Mid teir cards starting off at $400 now. Thanks goodguy AMD for keeping the prices low and the stock lower.
400 is a good price
@@supersop1367 The 1060 was nearly half that, no it's not
@@pakman184 yet the 3060 is better than a 1060 1070 1080 and equal to 1080ti
@@pakman184 The bargain pricing of the 10 series is a thing of the past. Unless somehow demand plummets when the 40 series comes out or they somehow breakthrough with shortage issues, there definitely won't be sub-200-250 legitimate GPUs ever again.
@@supersop1367 Because the 3060 was released in 2020, not 2016 like the 1060. If we kept 2016 prices the 3060 would retail for $249, maybe $280 with inflation
About the pricing, in Brazil stuff is sometimes 6x more expensive, because not only the Dollar-Reais factor (5:1) but the taxes - most time these are calculated one upon another
Was the subtitle during the intro on purpose? That was funny
RIP for those who waited so long for the RTX 3060 release, just to witness its price to raises up to 3080 MSRP
Can't find it anymore, my ass! 😂 😂 😎😎
I got a 3060 for $389 from EVGA.
Ironically, I didn't "wait" for the 3060... I actually wanted a 3070 or 3060Ti, but never could find one after months of searching, so I settled for a 3060... better something than nothing.
At this point gaming laptops are actually a better deal than desktop graphics.
There's a shortage of gaming laptops too sooo
@@keonxd8918 wait what
@@werter490 no fucking shit, people realized they cant buy a desktop so they bought laptops.
I got Legion 5 few months ago for this reason. 5800h + RTX 3070 125W for 1350 euros. It's fine for the price, even though I wasn't planning on moving to laptops quite yet.
@@werter490 yeah, I went to my local tech store and saw most gaming laptops that have gotten great reviews were either on pre-order or they are selling the demo set
6:48 - Lead is no longer used in solder since RoHS
Do you sell any of the PCs you build ?
People can drive prices down by refusing to pay inflated prices and letting scalpers choke on their supply.
and the chances of that happening are slim to none
Data centers, mining firms, Auto maker are all gobbling up GPU chips. The world doesn’t revolve around you, kid.
@@aminelswefy1808 especially with your attitude. I recommended plenty of ppl to wait and gave two ppl shit for just giving in.
Change comes only around if everyone pulls together, not just online but also commit IRL.
@@FinalplayerRyu I’m definitely waiting. Prices are still 3x MSRP where I live and there’s no way I’m paying that much money
@@allansh828 Pricing is driven by what the market is willing to pay. If you want to pay $1000 for a $500 GPU to make your epeen feel bigger than more power to you. Yes there is a chip shortage, paying scalpers only makes it worse and I guess you are one of the morons feeding them.
I'm pretty sure the lead price has no impact since they all have to use lead free solder for RoHS compliance. I doubt they have different card with and without just for the EU and US Market with different solder. Plus I think the US has some similar rule in place
The US as a whole doesn't have a rule like that but several states do
Does anyone know why gold prices didn’t go up like the other metals?
When will you restock desk pads in the store? I really need one man.
Why are they comparing it to a GTX 1060 when it's almost $100 dollars more than it's launch msrp?
Yup, this is $380 which still a joke for a mid tier 1080p GPU, companies have been inflating GPU prices, this shouldn't cost that.
We can imagine with these recent GPU prices this will be worst than a bad joke.
Find an inflation calculator, its less than $100 in reality
@@CaveyMoth i believe it's because most people aren't from US and US pricing is mostly higher than other national currencies,
@@CaveyMoth maybe because in lots of parts of the world (outside the US own little bubble) GPU prices are oftentimes outrageous and so people can't or don't see the value in upgrading their cards every two years like a mindless consoomer?
Maybe because last gen technology is only now starting to be used to its full extent, a few years after launch?
Maybe cause we're in the middle of a global crisis and an astronomical shortage of GPUs in general?
Maybe, Idk, because getting a latest gen GPU where I live is the equivalent of buying yourself an actual used car, maybe that's why?
@@CaveyMoth it was a fantastic bang for your buck when it came out. To call it a children’s toy is a bit much though. With my overclock, my 1060 is still capable of running VR titles at medium or better, and I can play nearly all of my other games at medium to high settings at 1080 and keep above 60fps while maintaining 65-68 C at full load. That’s with Hell Let Loose, F1 2021, Warzone, Black Ops and Assetto Corsa VR. I couldn’t be happier with it. It’s still plenty capable if you already own one. Would not purchase one today though when I can buy something else, but there is no reason to throw it out if your target is 1080p 60fps like the majority of gamers
I feel like I've been waiting a very long time for some of these "get subscribed to see our upcoming video of.." plugs that linus does.
can you make "Was Windows ME really that bad?" because you made one about vista
a year later, this card is priced around $160-$200 (used), really solid choice at its price point
"No tariffs from LTT store products?"- I literally paid some in the EU
To be fair the EU would put tariffs on oxygen if they could.
@@steel5897 As is everywhere. If they could they'd tax the tax.
@@pascald.1451 where dont they tax taxes?
@@steel5897 TBF the orange man started those shenanigans because we weren't buying his shitty cars.
@@jfolz Congrats, you win the most idiotic comment of the day.
Ready to pay double MSRP to some scalper, can't wait! These current prices are the new normal. Hope you enjoyed the golden age while it was here.
I'm not paying the prices everybody who has a brain is not going to pay these crazy ass prices
@@Rrrrry123 yeah in return it's destroying the whole entire goddamn market so I hope that it's justified it is pushing people like me completely out of the market I don't make a crap ton of money man this is ridiculous I don't have $1,000 to spend on a single computer component with my whole entire computer cost that much to make
How come the compensator 3 build was removed?
Linus's long haul trucker look is my favorite Linus look.
No wonder custom keyboard these days are nearly DOUBLE the price, fuck !
I’m really grateful for linus and his teams to actually do the research, show the numbers and the sources, and deliver it without drama, hyper or general internet bullshit.
Yeah unlike some UA-camrs, like they forgot that we're in a pandemic
Cardboard too! That box it comes in has gone up at least 30% this year as well
I am still in the queue from back in October 2020 in Evga queue. I guess Ill just hang tight until 2022 with my 1080 TI
Thank you for this video, Linus. It's helpful to learn about many of the economic factors causing the rise in GPU prices. The whining is annoying, hopefully this will add some perspective. May we take this opportunity to simply enjoy gaming without undue concern for unnecessary peformance.
@Olaf Sigurson i don't know much about the 1660, is it loud?
I feel like there might be an economic crash in the next year or so. Unless strong efforts are put into balancing prices back to normal, it looks like everything is going to get more and more expensive. I'm personally holding off on this GPU generation because the price to performance is horrendous, and I feel like there's many others who feel the same way - And not just in the GPU market.
Yes, things are getting more expensive (with gasoline being a precursor here in Europe). Not just a tiny bit, we're seeing 25 to 33 percent higher prices on some goods.
Meanwhile factories are laying off people due to decreased demand induced by the pandemic.
In the end, citizens will be 20 percent poorer and many will be unemployed
@@thenasadude6878 To be fair, this could be the main reason of this pandemic - ruin the poor and enrich the rich even more, so that the poor will work his ass off for the rich.
Oh a crash is definitely coming. Here in the US we put so much money into circulation from our various stimulus packages that prices on EVERYTHING, and I mean even basic things like food, fuel, electricity costs, basically anything with a price tag that's sold in stores is jumping up in price. Everyone clapped & cheered when we got those stimulus packages, but I just shook my head and said "This will come back and bite us in the ass". Sure enough, it's beginning to happen.
@@FamousWolfe The best part is that just like every other time, the US will rebound relatively quickly while the rest of the world pays for it.
I totally agree...Governments are so far overleveraged on borrowing and are artificially keeping things standing on a knife edge and this cannot be sustained., Inflation can only go up and will go up...I except a crash not far of..2022!
This is the first video I actually am putting a lot of research into understanding the computer wizardry coming from Linus' mouth, but at the same time I will probably watch a Twomad video afterward to give my brain the day off
Linus, Can we get a recent ish video for people upgrading from a Laptop. Like in my case. I have a laptop (used as desktop now, for reasons) that has a 1060 and i7-8750H and 16g of RAM. Planning to play New world mainly with some WoW, EVE and Red Dead2 mixed in. New World Beta netted me 29-55 FPS on Medium settings. Should i go 10 series CPU with a 3060? or is that overkill JUST for gaming at my lower level and will it be okay for a few years?
Guess i am asking for the margin of difference for laptop and desktop pieces.
A gaming pc (or just a piece of hardware of one) anywhere outside first world countries is like dreaming of having a Ferrari: It will never happen.
Way to sell yourself short & create a self-fulfilling prophecy. Build & humble yourself to an audience willing to pay you to continue working hard at a particular skill, and you will give yourself a shot.
the price of any electronic device and chips won't fall anytime soon, as the freight cost of moving those items from Asia (from china especially) had been rise up 5-6x for West coast and east coast of US ,today, compare to the same month in 2019
Newegg has a MSI MECH Rx 6600xt for $360 usd, just thought I'd comment since I was looking on eBay and prices were very similar
I got out of the chase with an MSI 1660s at MSRP in January. It's good enough for the games I play for the next 5 years. Best wishes to you guys getting what you really need at a fair price.
Why do I feel like Linus in the future will say : They took err jebs
why don’t they fix the current supply chain issues before introducing another gpu i do not get it
@TommyInnit ᨆ this link leads to some guy's pizza-making video. Don't give him free views.
Ye with the damn chip shortage
because they are a multinational company and only care about making more money. just look at nvidia too.
Money
More variants likely means that they can have more variation in quality of the chips, which can let them sell the lower binned ones as a separate GPU. This can offer a cheaper alternative to some people, reducing demand for some of the higher end models.
Ah well, today I can buy this card and it fits my needs. So I bought one. Not a lot of choice out there still.
am i missing something? the 6600xt specs in the video state 8GB memory yet you stated it will be using 16GB chips? are they firmware locking out 8GB capacity? or was that a script issue?
7:09 guess what, since July 1st, everything that comes into the EU from the outside, gets VAT taxed, no matter the value...
Which means 20% to like 25% tax (depending on country) on even a $1 product.
There was always a vat, thats how they explained, that a 1 dollar product is 1 euro.
@@herihelke729 You could avoid import VAT easily before which many companies did. Triangle shipping, wrong value declaration, etc. but all of that does not work now, since EVERY single item that comes from outside the EU on EVERY EU COUNTRY now, gets vat charged
The 25% tariff is a robbery. Even if EVGA purchases it in America, at 25% tariff from China, if they ship it literally anywhere else [Canada, Europe, Africa, Asia, etc] afterward, they get reimbursed the 25% tariff. All of our GPUs, as non Americans, should be 25% cheaper than in America. Lets say 20% for logistics and shipping. They're literally robbing us, pocketing the 25%, and saying not my fault bro.
Man these speculative price increases have a real chance of severely damaging the economic rebound they're counting on.
1:22 - Yeston?
Never heard of that before.
Talking about prices I didn't hear anything about the at least 6% inflation (possibly higher) in USD affecting the prices of everything, but obviously not the only factor.